#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-11-05

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[01:34:34] <XXCoder> JT-Shop:
[03:19:35] <kasious> in sw 2016 is it possible to turn a feature pattern into an actual part?
[03:19:51] <kasious> guess i should resort to google
[03:29:59] <archivist> draw bas part add feature pattern
[03:30:03] <archivist> base
[03:30:48] <archivist> think like you would with a solid bit of material
[03:31:21] <archivist> add holes/extrusions/whatever
[03:34:58] <kasious> i feel like irl it's going to be tough to get this inlet / outlet to line up http://i.imgur.com/KlzJW1c.png
[03:36:34] <archivist> it will be fun bending that from tube, a cnc bending machine, make a few, adjust for spring back
[03:37:30] <kasious> the company bending it only has a rotary draw bender
[03:37:31] <kasious> lol
[03:37:35] <kasious> thats why it will be fun
[03:37:36] <kasious> :D
[03:41:32] <archivist> could pull it inline after and anneal while holding it
[03:42:56] <Deejay> moin
[03:44:54] <kasious> thats a good idea.
[03:59:28] <pink_vampire> hi
[03:59:39] <XXCoder> yo
[04:04:09] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: printed or made anything?
[04:05:10] <pink_vampire> no, i'm trying to solved the parallel port issue
[04:06:07] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[04:06:20] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[04:06:39] <XXCoder> havent found out why it dont see your card parrel port?
[04:07:38] <pink_vampire> i think the on board is working
[04:08:54] <pink_vampire> but the WCH CH382L no
[04:10:58] <archivist> does windows see the second parallel port
[04:12:06] <pink_vampire> lets see
[04:13:57] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/ThBzKa3-vvA im thinking of printing that
[04:17:14] <XXCoder> npot too sure how to get some of those stuff
[05:07:25] <XXCoder> hm
[05:07:27] <XXCoder> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/300w-1hp-cnc-air-spindle-controller
[05:07:42] <XXCoder> so computer (linuxcnc) -> BOB -> this -> spindle
[05:08:12] <XXCoder> and for feedback: rpm sensor -> BOB input -> linuxcnc
[05:10:45] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.com/2013/02/12/add-speed-control-to-a-diy-cnc-machine/
[05:11:04] <XXCoder> interesting but not same
[05:21:22] <jthornton> morning
[05:21:50] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:21:54] <XXCoder> your clamps rock
[05:22:04] <XXCoder> I printed 9, one went bad but 8 was useful
[05:22:06] <jthornton> thanks
[05:22:36] <XXCoder> with some springy wire wrap thingy machine looks much cleaner
[05:22:39] <jthornton> the last part I printed had some spots that looked like the Z was too low
[05:23:04] <XXCoder> thats why im making inductor setup
[05:23:15] <XXCoder> the plate and z offset always changes
[05:23:43] <XXCoder> also why I always set bed temperate to 25c when printing pla. same temperate means around same setup
[05:23:54] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65&product_id=91
[05:24:46] <XXCoder> hmm
[05:25:05] <XXCoder> I do want linuxcnc to have spindle speed feedback. not exact position
[05:25:08] <XXCoder> just rpm
[05:26:42] <XXCoder> http://7xcnc.com/hardware/encoder/
[05:27:54] <jthornton> what is the max rpm of your spindle?
[05:28:06] <XXCoder> lets assume 12,000 rpm
[05:28:10] <XXCoder> common for chinese
[05:28:32] <jthornton> you can just put an encoder on it if you have a Mesa card
[05:28:51] <XXCoder> I have BOB
[05:30:08] <jthornton> hmmm
[05:30:31] <XXCoder> that one is overly complex, I just want rpm, dont plan to machine tap
[05:33:52] <jthornton> you could put a 5i25 or 6i25 in and still use the BOB
[05:34:21] <XXCoder> how much money heh
[05:34:49] <jthornton> Do you have a PCI or a PCIe slot?
[05:35:34] <XXCoder> if i recall from buying card, latter
[05:36:16] <jthornton> a PCIe card is the 6i25 http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=52
[05:36:33] <XXCoder> yea way above my budget
[05:36:55] <jthornton> to use Ethernet you can use the 7i92http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=99
[05:38:12] * jthornton wanders upstairs to see if the coffee is ready
[05:48:37] <XXCoder> jthornton: can basic pwm be used with feedback to set rpm and self-correcting as it cuts?
[05:49:00] <XXCoder> for example its cutting alum and are slowed, it increases power to get closer to proper rpm
[05:50:18] <jthornton> if your spindle is bogging down your in real trouble
[05:50:55] <XXCoder> I'd love to know what rpm its running, doubtful it would have issues
[05:51:22] <XXCoder> Im just stuck on what to do for spindle lol has to be 52mm spindle besides that...
[05:52:13] <jthornton> when I worked on offshore drilling rigs we got the rotary rpm by a rope tied to the kelly
[05:54:22] <archivist> reflective opto
[05:54:49] <XXCoder> arch yea was thinking optical sensor of some kind.
[05:54:57] <SpeedEvil> Failure analysis is fun. Spacex failure - load the helium tank submerged in the subcooled liquid oxygen just wrong, and you can get the helium temperature dipping low enough to freeze oxygen on the inner wall of the composite, between the composite and the liner. Then as filled, this solid oxygen can't get out of the way, and is crushed into the flammable carbon composite, and creates a hot-spot, from which the rest explodes.
[05:55:04] <XXCoder> maybe just white sticker on black air cooling fan
[05:56:50] <XXCoder> maybe I just add it for rpm display
[05:57:02] <XXCoder> if I see it slowing down I can just lower feedrate or something
[05:58:03] <jthornton> when cutting aluminum if you don't take a big enough bite the aluminum will start to gall up in the cutter
[05:58:13] <jthornton> at that point your screwed
[05:58:27] <SpeedEvil> ^Well, if the spindle is 'bogging down' - yes. But RPM can vary 10% or so on many drives going from off-medium loaded.
[05:58:44] <SpeedEvil> And the drive has in principle the horsepower to get back to set RPm
[05:58:45] <XXCoder> jt thats something I need to learn
[05:59:01] <XXCoder> how to set ipm rpm so on so it cuts nicely.
[05:59:01] <jthornton> yea +-10% is nothing to worry about
[05:59:24] <jthornton> use my calculator
[05:59:26] <XXCoder> and im not sure how well chinese 52mm say 500w spindle would work
[05:59:31] <SpeedEvil> But if you can have it dead on, not dropping 10%, ...
[06:00:20] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/mill-1.7.06.zip
[06:00:46] <XXCoder> cool will try it out
[06:02:11] <XXCoder> wow pretty nifty
[06:04:09] <jthornton> what's nifty?
[06:04:25] <XXCoder> old word for cool
[06:04:57] <jthornton> no I mean what did you find that is nifty?
[06:05:11] <XXCoder> oh whole thing. apparently pocket isnt functional
[06:05:29] <XXCoder> checking facing now. seems no gcode output? unless need click something
[06:05:44] <jthornton> oh my software thanks
[06:05:49] <XXCoder> oh I see it now
[06:05:52] <XXCoder> generate gcode
[06:06:05] <jthornton> pocket is not done yet, I use it for holes mostly
[06:06:24] <jthornton> but I could be convinced to finish pockets
[06:06:30] <XXCoder> wow little bit rude error message lol
[06:07:15] <XXCoder> ok testing calculator now
[06:07:18] <XXCoder> lets see
[06:07:23] <XXCoder> lets say 1/4
[06:07:45] <XXCoder> how do I get feed per tooth?
[06:07:53] <XXCoder> or sfm
[06:08:40] <jthornton> look at the charts
[06:09:39] <XXCoder> ok lets see, for alum 6062
[06:10:26] <XXCoder> suggests .2mm lets convert to inches
[06:10:43] <XXCoder> bit roundup, .008"
[06:10:59] <XXCoder> it now asks for sfm
[06:11:09] <XXCoder> surface feed something?
[06:11:57] <XXCoder> ah surface feet per minute
[06:12:19] <jthornton> yea how fast the outside of the cutting tool is going
[06:12:35] <XXCoder> I calculated that at internship but forgot what it is
[06:12:54] <XXCoder> ah rpm * d
[06:13:12] <XXCoder> lets say 2000 rpm, that would be 500
[06:13:34] <XXCoder> oops
[06:13:47] <XXCoder> need * pi / 12
[06:14:17] * jthornton likes pi and ice cream
[06:15:06] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:15:32] <XXCoder> it says ipr of .024, spindle rpm of 2083, and ipm of 50
[06:15:44] <pink_vampire> with single lpt port linux cnc work
[06:15:50] <XXCoder> sounds right for 1/4 em on aluminium?
[06:15:54] <XXCoder> 6062 alum
[06:16:26] <pink_vampire> but i can't find my actual feed rate
[06:17:00] <pink_vampire> just the drag button on the bottom
[06:19:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: archivist jthornton
[06:20:22] <XXCoder> dunno my machine has no closed loop at all so noactual feed rate, just commanded
[06:21:51] <jthornton> XXCoder: what size endmill and how many tooths?
[06:22:03] <XXCoder> I was supposing 1/4 em, 3 flute
[06:23:26] <jthornton> feed/tooth of 0.003 and SFM of 250 I get spindle 3820 and feed 34.4
[06:23:58] <pink_vampire> to get the max feedrate you have to accelerate on a certain distance, but on small part sometime you cant reach the max feedrate because you don't have the travel for it;
[06:24:08] <jthornton> if I back the SFM down to 100 I get 1528 and 13.8 and of course those can vary
[06:24:28] <XXCoder> jt but how do I know what sfm is good and what is bad
[06:24:48] <XXCoder> whats weirdly enough sfm uses rpm in its calculation?
[06:24:48] <jthornton> google sfm material chart
[06:24:53] <XXCoder> ok
[06:25:25] <pink_vampire> on mach3 it show under the feedrate section in the interface.
[06:25:28] <jthornton> my lakeshore carbide endmills for alum have a sfm of 1200
[06:25:50] <jthornton> mach3 started from emc
[06:25:57] <jthornton> then it changed
[06:25:58] <XXCoder> checked that, rpm 19k
[06:27:06] <XXCoder> interesting, so I figure what my machine can do in terms of ipm and spindle rpm
[06:27:13] <jthornton> the hole ops is the one I use a lot
[06:27:16] <XXCoder> then find sfm that works within that range?
[06:27:23] <pink_vampire> jthornton: do you know where is all the stuff show in linux cnc?
[06:27:24] <jthornton> yea that's what I do
[06:27:34] <XXCoder> 900 sfm for example, has 14k rpm and 128 ipm
[06:27:36] <jthornton> what is a stuff?
[06:27:54] <pink_vampire> my actual feedrate
[06:27:54] <XXCoder> displays I guess like actual feed rate so on
[06:28:21] <jthornton> what GUI and what version of LinuxCNC?
[06:28:44] <jthornton> and what did I open the google search page for... I can't remember
[06:29:26] <pink_vampire> i'm using linux cnc 2.7.7
[06:30:52] <pink_vampire> gui?
[06:31:04] <jthornton> graphical user interface
[06:31:27] <jthornton> axis, touchy, goommmaccapy etc
[06:32:18] <pink_vampire> i have nooo idea
[06:32:36] * jthornton wonders why I'm still at 2.7.4?
[06:33:04] <jthornton> can't help if you have noooo idea
[06:34:26] <pink_vampire> i'm going to login from the linux cnc
[06:34:57] <pink_vampire> now i'm on the cute windows 7
[06:35:37] <XXCoder> last good windows too
[06:36:44] <linux_vampire> hi
[06:36:58] <XXCoder> hey open source vampire
[06:37:04] <jthornton> XXCoder: also note that if you open the G code generator from Axis you can send the G code directly to Axis
[06:37:37] <linux_vampire> now lets see the stuff here
[06:39:06] <jthornton> and I see a problem it sends a list not text so need to fix that
[06:39:41] <linux_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/KKF5bdv.png
[06:39:56] <linux_vampire> this is how my linux cnc look like
[06:40:48] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:40:55] <XXCoder> never seen the right display part
[06:41:03] <XXCoder> never had any feedback systyem heh
[06:41:04] <linux_vampire> XXCoder, what do you mean??
[06:41:12] <XXCoder> the spindle speed one
[06:41:42] <linux_vampire> it just show up if you make a "v" in stepconf
[06:42:26] <linux_vampire> from what i see i some sort of xml file that generate it
[06:43:48] <archivist> yes the pyvcp panel
[06:44:23] <linux_vampire> it's a good one?
[06:44:47] <jthornton> linux_vampire: what does it say at the top of the screen?
[06:45:32] <jthornton> XXCoder: a pyvcp panel is simple to make
[06:45:44] <linux_vampire> spindle speed
[06:46:01] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_pyvcp.html
[06:46:14] <jthornton> old docs don
[06:46:18] <jthornton> 't look there
[06:46:24] <archivist> you can add that I did one with meter displays http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG
[06:46:26] <XXCoder> ok its junk then
[06:46:33] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp.html
[06:46:56] <jthornton> linux_vampire: above that what does it say?
[06:47:03] <archivist> in my case the cutter is spindle speed
[06:47:27] <linux_vampire> nothing
[06:47:51] <jthornton> in the center
[06:48:05] <jthornton> looks like the same scope I have
[06:48:06] <XXCoder> arch nice!
[06:48:34] <archivist> it is an old Advance scope
[06:48:39] <jthornton> in little tiny letters at the very top in the center
[06:49:17] <archivist> gould bought Advance in the UK
[06:50:18] <jthornton> mine is a different brand but looks similar to yours
[06:50:35] <linux_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/XBmKFA5.png
[06:50:52] <XXCoder> lol
[06:50:56] <linux_vampire> i took a full screen shot
[06:50:59] <archivist> you are learning
[06:51:03] <jthornton> lol
[06:51:13] <jthornton> still don't know what GUI your using?
[06:51:21] <linux_vampire> no
[06:51:37] <linux_vampire> i just see qn xml file
[06:51:39] <jthornton> what does it say in the center at the top?
[06:51:46] <jthornton> on your screen
[06:52:08] <XXCoder> it seems default same as mine, beside addition of spindle data
[06:52:09] <linux_vampire> custompanel.xml
[06:52:09] <jthornton> when you run LinuxCNC
[06:52:14] <archivist> now you know how to add any data to your screen
[06:52:18] <jthornton> not the file names
[06:52:20] <XXCoder> AXIS display?
[06:52:40] <jthornton> yes she is using the Axis GUI
[06:52:44] <archivist> yes that is axis with a pyvcp panel
[06:53:00] <linux_vampire> axis.ngc - AXIS 2.7.7
[06:53:08] <XXCoder> never really liked that gui is there better ones?
[06:53:17] <jthornton> yes you are running Axis GUI
[06:53:25] <jthornton> better?
[06:53:41] <XXCoder> more usable gui
[06:53:59] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[06:54:00] <linux_vampire> it look like a windows 95
[06:54:09] <jthornton> look under User Interfaces
[06:54:19] <archivist> 95 and a half
[06:56:19] <linux_vampire> all of them look soooooo old
[06:56:47] <linux_vampire> i like the windows 8 user interface
[06:57:05] <archivist> it is open source you can modify
[06:57:33] <XXCoder> linux_vampire: im sure you can change windows frame looks, its in setting somewhere (not linuxcnc program itself but linux os itself)
[06:58:03] <linux_vampire> on the tormach pathpilot it look sooo nice
[06:59:03] <jthornton> then run pathpilot
[07:01:50] <linux_vampire> but thay say that you can't change anything
[07:02:16] <jthornton> who is thay?
[07:03:26] <linux_vampire> tormach
[07:03:35] <linux_vampire> you can't change pins
[07:03:44] <linux_vampire> you can't edit.
[07:04:00] <jthornton> I know nothing about tormach
[07:07:39] <linux_vampire> all i need is dual lpt support, probing, in motion signal, finish signal, and the regular statuses that i have on the mach3 interface, (probe display, actual feedrate, current location etc..)
[07:08:24] <jthornton> put a 5i25 card in and you have dual lpt
[07:08:53] <linux_vampire> what is 5i25?
[07:09:19] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=51
[07:09:34] <jthornton> or if you only have PCIe use a 6i25
[07:09:44] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=52
[07:09:49] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/
[07:11:27] <linux_vampire> and that thing go to 2 c10 break out boards?
[07:12:11] <linux_vampire> jthornton,
[07:12:41] <jthornton> yea
[07:13:11] <jthornton> you need this cable for second one http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71&product_id=70
[07:13:53] <jthornton> if you ditch the C10 board and get this your much better off http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=78
[07:14:23] <jthornton> The 7I76 has 5 Axis of step & direction outputs, analog spindle control with encoder feedback, 32 isolated inputs and 16 isolated outputs.
[07:14:24] <jthornton> Connects to a 5i25 or 6i25 or 7i92 with a DB25M - DB25M IEEE cable.
[07:14:24] <jthornton> 5 Axis step & direction
[07:14:24] <jthornton> 32 isolated inputs and 16 isolated outputs
[07:14:24] <jthornton> 1 spindle output control with high speed encoder input
[07:16:48] <linux_vampire> i need more then 5 axis
[07:17:37] <linux_vampire> can i use the outputs also as step/dir?
[07:18:22] <jthornton> add one of these then http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=69
[07:19:38] <linux_vampire> i'm a bit lost
[07:20:28] <linux_vampire> the 5i25 is the card that go to the mother board, from that card i'm getting 2 lpt ports.
[07:20:35] <linux_vampire> then?
[07:20:50] <jthornton> if you have a PCI slot a 5i25 + a 7i76 + a 7i78 gives you 9 axes of step/direction 32 inputs and 16 ouputs and two spindle controls
[07:20:58] <jthornton> yea
[07:21:24] <linux_vampire> i have pci and pcie
[07:21:39] <jthornton> then you can use either 5i25 or 6i25
[07:22:11] <linux_vampire> i'm get any support with them?
[07:22:13] <jthornton> what you hook to the 5i25/6i25 depends on the firmware that is flashed to the card
[07:22:42] <linux_vampire> what do you mean by firmware
[07:23:12] <jthornton> the software that is inside the chip on the 5i25
[07:23:27] <XXCoder> embedded software. software in chip basically
[07:23:39] <jthornton> it can be for say 2 7i76 cards, 2 bobs, a 7i76 and a 7i78 etc
[07:24:20] <jthornton> when you order a 5i25 the firmware is loaded for the daughter cards you get
[07:24:26] <jthornton> nothing you have to worry about
[07:25:28] <linux_vampire> i mean support for the linux cnc configuration..
[07:26:47] <linux_vampire> it almost 300$
[07:26:54] <jthornton> the pncconf wizard can create your configuration files and most folks around here and the forum and mailing list are fluent with mesa products
[07:27:15] <jthornton> pretty cheap ain't it
[07:27:35] <archivist> compared to parallel ports....
[07:27:40] <jthornton> when I built my first CNC with 4 axes it cost me $500
[07:27:47] <jthornton> for the cards
[07:30:29] <malcom2073_> don't PCI parallel ports work?
[07:30:46] <linux_vampire> this is my 4th attempt that i'm trying to use linux cnc, and so far it not look like a baked product.
[07:30:48] <jthornton> yea
[07:31:28] <jthornton> I wonder how many millions of people use LinuxCNC
[07:31:34] <malcom2073_> It is not a baked product
[07:32:03] <XXCoder> jt assuming it makes it to one mil. im pretty sure it is though lol
[07:32:29] <jthornton> from the forum Total Users: 8340
[07:32:39] <jthornton> Total Messages: 81230
[07:32:40] <archivist> I do think some dont realise costs for the less well off
[07:33:09] <linux_vampire> if mach3 can use dual parallel port with no problem, why i need to but other cards that cost 300$ just to use linux cnc??
[07:33:14] <archivist> 10 years of using linuxcnc and I still cannot afford mesa cards
[07:33:16] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/statistics
[07:33:29] <malcom2073_> linux_vampire: you can't use dual parallel ports with mach3 if you don't have dual parallel ports.....
[07:33:34] <jthornton> no, LinuxCNC can use dual parallel ports with no problem
[07:33:50] <malcom2073_> If you have dual parallel ports, you can use them with either.
[07:33:50] <jthornton> what malcom2073_ said
[07:33:59] <archivist> hers does not work, mine does
[07:33:59] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/statistics
[07:34:01] <linux_vampire> malcom2073_, i have dual lpt ports here, and on mach3
[07:34:13] <malcom2073_> linux_vampire: then you can use them on linuxcnc. As long as they are *actually* LPT ports
[07:34:16] <malcom2073_> and not like, some weird USB thingie
[07:34:47] <linux_vampire> here (linux cnc) only one work, on the windows xp with mach3 all of the fork fine
[07:34:52] <archivist> she has a real second port not seen by debian, we spent all yesterday on that
[07:35:03] <malcom2073_> Ah
[07:35:22] <malcom2073_> Yeah then you're gonna need to either use a different PC, or add another (they're like $15 add-in cards)
[07:35:41] <linux_vampire> it's on board one, and pcie one that the linx cnc wiki say it supported
[07:35:43] <archivist> she got ripped off 50$ for a 10$ card
[07:35:51] <jthornton> that is not a problem with LinuxCNC but a hardware and OS problem
[07:35:56] <jthornton> ouch that sucks
[07:35:59] <malcom2073_> ohh
[07:36:41] <archivist> it pains me to see just spend x more....
[07:36:46] <linux_vampire> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
[07:36:54] <linux_vampire> i have the same card
[07:37:18] <archivist> actually you have slightly different, that is parallel only
[07:37:21] <linux_vampire> on xp and win 7 it worked fine,
[07:38:22] <malcom2073_> Yes, on entirely different software, it worked. We got that :)
[07:38:44] <linux_vampire> yeah,, but the chipset is the same and even the pcb is the same just with the missing components
[07:38:57] <jthornton> I don't see that page link in the main page...
[07:38:59] <malcom2073_> Those missing components could make all the difference in it being supported
[07:39:31] <linux_vampire> i got it special for that..
[07:40:32] <archivist> jthornton, you are not looking hard enough it is there
[07:40:56] <jthornton> on this page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Supported_Hardware
[07:41:09] <linux_vampire> PCIe EPP Cards
[07:41:50] <archivist> she has the 2 serial 1 p card with same/similar chip
[07:43:58] <linux_vampire> if you look online is very cheap and common, local is 5 times more expensive.
[07:44:11] <jthornton> where is local?
[07:44:35] <linux_vampire> locale computer store here in ny
[07:44:53] <archivist> jthornton, actually on this page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware
[07:45:48] <archivist> the wiki is a mess
[07:45:52] <jthornton> oh that is an old page
[07:46:04] <jthornton> it's our fault it's a mess lol
[07:46:19] <archivist> but that card was added 2014
[07:46:43] <jthornton> I wish I had access to the wiki to delete obsolete pages
[07:47:10] <jthornton> I see the WCH is not on the current page
[07:47:15] <archivist> needs merging up, page should redirect to new
[07:47:19] <jthornton> so there must have been a problem with it
[07:47:27] <jthornton> anyone can fix that
[07:48:47] <linux_vampire> i got a mini disc with it
[07:49:05] <linux_vampire> it was at the bottom of the box
[07:49:34] <linux_vampire> it also have linux stuff
[07:50:05] <archivist> jthornton, CaptHindsight claims these cards work ok anyway
[07:52:34] <linux_vampire> i think you need to verify each release that it worked
[07:53:12] <jthornton> archivist: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware
[07:53:51] <jthornton> I think you need to delete out of date pages from the wiki
[07:54:12] <XXCoder> or add header for people using older versions
[07:54:24] <archivist> linux_vampire, we dont own every bit of hardware, the users update the wiki
[07:54:30] <XXCoder> "This is for version xxxx please visit [link] for current
[07:54:55] <jthornton> XXCoder: it's up to the users to update the wiki they created it
[07:55:10] <XXCoder> interesting ok
[07:55:49] <archivist> how many time do I have to say CaptHindsight states those cards work, so as far as I can see it is still a valid page, I cannot test
[07:55:58] <linux_vampire> how i can update stuff?
[07:56:04] <jthornton> XXCoder: I fixed the send to axis for the facing op http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/
[07:56:19] <archivist> I cannot guarantee I can stay on the net to fix stuff
[07:56:21] <jthornton> stuff?
[07:56:31] <XXCoder> thanks
[07:56:41] <archivist> wiki /whatever
[07:57:13] <jthornton> linux_vampire: look at the bottom of any LinuxCNC wiki page for instructions on how to edit pages
[07:59:25] <nubcake> hi
[08:03:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.thedrizzler.org/
[08:03:54] <Jymmm> jthornton: Love the royal blue flame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lELJlnH4_EY
[08:08:44] <jthornton> is he selling something?
[08:09:49] <XXCoder> considering the new channel yea
[08:09:53] <XXCoder> well laters
[08:09:59] <jthornton> later
[08:13:48] <Jymmm> jthornton: no, it's a wood gassifier project
[08:14:33] <jthornton> does he have a design page or something other than a bunch of videos
[08:15:03] <Jymmm> jthornton: The first link I gave you =)
[08:15:22] <Jymmm> jthornton: scroll to the bottom
[08:15:57] <jthornton> ah see it now
[08:17:05] <Jymmm> jthornton: Seems that it's the tar that is the biggest issue, thus the filtering
[08:21:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: PDF "FEMA: Construction of a simplified wood gas generator for fueling internal combustion engines in a petrolium emergency" <cover page has photo of you on your tractor being powered by wood ;)
[08:22:24] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.miniwoodgas.com/fema%20woodgas%20plans.pdf
[08:46:37] <Jymmm> jthornton: I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but but he speaks in a very straight forward, no nonsense way... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQuWGRyNVts
[08:52:04] <JT-Shop> it's after 8am so utube is off for me the rest of the day
[08:52:40] <Jymmm> jthornton: Save it for tomorrow
[08:53:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Are you looking to make wood gas itself or ???
[08:53:33] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892697/
[08:53:48] <linux_vampire> that info can help us?
[08:54:25] <linux_vampire> this is the dmesg after the driver installation
[08:54:54] <linux_vampire> archivist, XXCoder pcw_home jthornton
[08:55:03] <linux_vampire> malcom2073_,
[08:55:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: btw, in that video he says there is no smoke after 15 seconds of lighting it.
[09:08:09] <archivist> linux_vampire, now try lspci -v
[09:10:45] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892710/
[09:11:06] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892711/
[09:11:20] <linux_vampire> proc | ser / para
[09:11:45] <archivist> cat ioports | grep parport
[09:11:57] <linux_vampire> yes
[09:12:24] <linux_vampire> you can see it on the last pastebin
[09:12:48] <linux_vampire> root@berta:/home/berta/Desktop/CH38XDRV/DRV_2S1P/LINUX# cat /proc/ioports | grep par
[09:12:48] <linux_vampire> 0378-037a : parport0
[09:13:04] <archivist> but where is the base one now!!!!
[09:13:42] <linux_vampire> what do you mean by "base one"?
[09:14:06] <archivist> you should be seeing two ports not one
[09:14:16] <linux_vampire> i know
[09:14:23] <archivist> base=motherboard port
[09:14:35] <linux_vampire> but the serial show 3
[09:14:59] <archivist> yes it is stupid, broken driver/debian
[09:15:29] <linux_vampire> one of them is 03f8-03ff
[09:15:52] <archivist> that is a normal IO address for parallel port
[09:15:59] <linux_vampire> it's look very close to the parallel. and i tried it on hal
[09:16:58] <linux_vampire> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 out 0x3f8 out"
[09:17:14] <linux_vampire> this is what i tried in hal
[09:17:37] <archivist> did it run or die
[09:17:46] <linux_vampire> same error
[09:18:25] <archivist> it seems to have stolen port 0 and told the OS it is 3f8
[09:19:02] <linux_vampire> what do you mean?
[09:19:10] <archivist> this is a debian/driver bug
[09:19:48] <archivist> if you unplug the card what address was port 0
[09:21:51] <linux_vampire> without it i will get only the 0378-037a : parport0
[09:26:46] <archivist> you see how with it it has applied the upper address to partport0
[09:27:07] <archivist> a plain debian/driver bug
[09:28:02] <archivist> sorry it does not, just does not see it
[09:28:18] <linux_vampire> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 out 0x37a out"
[09:28:22] <linux_vampire> that way?
[09:29:06] <linux_vampire> same error
[09:29:10] <JT-Shop> https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-NetMos-Single-Parallel-100189/dp/B002CVHO4U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478354429&sr=8-1&keywords=pci+parallel+port+card+netmos
[09:29:11] <archivist> no jut re reading your paste, it has stolen the lower address for the upper card
[09:29:32] <archivist> damned buggy drivers
[09:29:48] <JT-Shop> https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Parallel-1PORT-1XDB25-Netmos/dp/B000YUOBPQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478354429&sr=8-2&keywords=pci+parallel+port+card+netmos
[09:31:09] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop, it work with linux cnc?
[09:31:13] <archivist> I plugged in a dual netmos yesterday and it was seen ok
[09:32:45] <JT-Shop> I have two single netmos cards on my desk that were in a linuxcnc pc
[09:33:25] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop, and thay work for sure?
[09:34:08] <JT-Shop> they worked for me
[09:34:23] <linux_vampire> you also run the 2.7.7?
[09:36:17] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop, archivist
[09:37:57] <archivist> I have a box with 2.7.7 and it sees the netmos card, it has not been used on a cnc yet, I just shoved the card in yesterday!
[09:40:13] <JT-Shop> when I get back from town ( I ship on Saturdays too) I'll put two pci parallel port cards in a pc with an onboard port and run a config that uses 3 parallel ports
[09:40:33] <JT-Shop> I run 2.6 2.7 and master
[09:41:18] <archivist> stepconf needs updating to see 3
[09:42:34] <linux_vampire> is there a limit to the number of axis that i can use?
[09:43:54] <archivist> 9
[09:44:13] <linux_vampire> if each paraport is 12 outputs, the max is 6 axis per port?
[09:44:24] <archivist> 5 per port
[09:45:08] <linux_vampire> so 5 for one port, 10 for 2, 15 for 3?
[09:45:27] <archivist> linuxcnc only up to 9
[09:45:43] <archivist> at the moment
[09:46:45] <linux_vampire> what about aux stuff.
[09:47:45] <archivist> aux io is just how many io pins you have, they are not axes
[09:47:48] <linux_vampire> like adjustable mist nozzle
[09:51:30] <CaptHindsight> archivist: the WCH PCIe single LPT cards have always worked for us
[09:52:11] <archivist> CaptHindsight, but which OS
[09:52:14] <linux_vampire> what about the single lpt dual serial?
[09:52:29] <archivist> seems a debian problem
[09:53:07] <linux_vampire> did you add it after the installation?
[09:55:02] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I'll try it with the latest LCNC ISO later this week
[09:55:26] <archivist> ok
[09:56:41] <linux_vampire> thank you CaptHindsight
[09:57:31] <linux_vampire> i see now that there is several netmos chipsets.
[09:58:10] <linux_vampire> who is the one that work with linux cnc?
[09:58:21] <archivist> some with a bit of hate
[09:59:18] <archivist> they have trouble if used in a certain mode, you are not about to do that though
[10:00:19] <linux_vampire> what mode?
[10:00:49] <linux_vampire> which chipset are you using?
[10:01:04] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop also, ^
[10:02:08] <CaptHindsight> archivist: what seems to be the problem? WCH LPT with some other integrated LPT port causing conflicts?
[10:02:10] <Polymorphism> still need to assemble the machine
[10:02:16] <Polymorphism> or sell
[10:02:23] <Polymorphism> been too busy
[10:02:26] <Polymorphism> trying to find someone to pay to do it
[10:02:42] <Polymorphism> new england area
[10:02:42] <Polymorphism> pm me
[10:03:14] <archivist> CaptHindsight, it took her mother board address and used it for the card http://paste.debian.net/892711/ leaving one port
[10:30:33] <Polymorphism> My CNC is not built
[10:30:33] <Polymorphism> Always hoped it would be
[10:30:33] <Polymorphism> Guess this isnt how it worked out
[10:30:33] <Polymorphism> Anyway, I'm off for now, bbl
[10:48:01] <JT-Shop> netmos
[10:50:14] <_methods> i have one of those wch cards was a real PITA to get it working
[10:56:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: That last video I found out was about creating "biochar" (a soil amendment) primarily, it even broke bone down into a charcoal like substance. though the method used was interesting.
[10:58:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Now, that "DriZzeR" thing... I wonder what would happen if you fed the syngas back into the burn chamber? Better combustion of the wood chips?
[11:04:17] <jthornton> linux_vampire: pastebin.ubuntu.com/23431081/
[11:04:29] <cnc-1> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23431081/
[11:05:19] <cnc-1> I just plugged the two netmos pci parallel port cards in and like magic they are there without doing anything at all
[11:08:46] <dioz> what is a supplemental skill for sheet metal workers?
[11:08:52] <dioz> is spending the time learning CAD/CAM worth it?
[11:09:17] <dioz> welding was another suggestion
[11:10:54] <JT-Shop> every skill is "worth it" if you need that skill at some time
[11:13:25] <archivist_> and for me with a dual port netmos card
[11:13:28] <archivist_> archivist@mill:~$ cat /proc/ioports |grep parport
[11:13:28] <archivist_> 0378-037a : parport0
[11:13:28] <archivist_> 1050-1052 : parport1
[11:13:28] <archivist_> 1060-1062 : parport2
[11:14:08] <_methods> cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
[11:14:10] <_methods> e000-e002 : parport1
[11:14:12] <_methods> e003-e007 : parport1
[11:14:14] <_methods> e100-e102 : parport0
[11:14:16] <_methods> that's my wch card
[11:14:47] <archivist> tell the vampire how you did it :)
[11:15:02] <_methods> i can't remember lol
[11:15:10] <archivist> aw...
[11:15:11] <_methods> been scratching thru command history
[11:15:12] <dioz> those would actually be just the ports
[11:15:26] <_methods> i didn't think i was ever going to get it to work
[11:15:37] <_methods> so i just kept trying diff things
[11:15:47] <archivist> dioz, geometry
[11:16:03] <_methods> what's her modprobe have in it
[11:16:11] <dioz> archivist: SohCahToa!
[11:16:18] <archivist> eg make an oil jug without cad
[11:16:31] <dioz> archivist: i'm upgrading a couple maths and sciences along the way
[11:16:37] <dioz> trying to think of ways to make more money
[11:16:52] <dioz> took a 50% pay cut when i switched from IT to the trades
[11:16:58] <_methods> ptions parport_pc io=0xe100,0xe000 irq=auto
[11:17:06] <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xe100,0xe000 irq=auto
[11:17:18] <_methods> i think that is what i had to do to get it working in modprobe
[11:17:31] <archivist> dioz, I did it for fun http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=tinware
[11:17:47] <_methods> /etc/modprobe.d/parport_pc.conf
[11:17:56] <_methods> added that options parport line
[11:18:28] <dioz> archivist: i spend almost zero time in a shop
[11:18:48] <dioz> we don't fab much of our own shit
[11:18:51] <_methods> but i changed/modified so many things i have no idea how i finally got it working
[11:19:02] <dioz> and w/ the price of brakes and jump sheers and where i'm currently living i can't see a shop being reasonable
[11:19:11] <dioz> maybe in a few months when this house sells
[11:19:45] <dioz> cause sheets come in 4 x 8
[11:19:58] <dioz> so you need at least a 52" shear
[11:20:34] <dioz> can find a decent counter-balanced brake with weights and stands for $2k
[11:21:37] <dioz> but as for the geometry skills nice work
[11:21:38] <dioz> those look like they're small 'eh?
[11:21:51] <dioz> nothing for scale
[11:22:01] <dioz> other than the bag of ladybugs in the back
[11:22:47] <dioz> oh there's a tape measure on the second one
[11:22:47] <dioz> so yah those are pretty tiny
[11:22:50] <dioz> you make those with soda cans?
[11:23:32] <dioz> how'd you do the spout on the water pot in theh first pic?
[11:24:00] <archivist> biscuit tin
[11:24:36] <archivist> watering can?
[11:25:08] <MacGalempsy> good day
[11:25:09] <archivist> make template, roll around a taper jig
[11:28:52] <linux_vampire> do you want the output of lsmod?
[11:30:14] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892732/
[11:30:55] <linux_vampire> _methods,
[11:33:16] <_methods> i think i had to add that parport_pc.conf file to /etc/modprobe.d
[11:33:38] <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xe100,0xe000 irq=auto
[11:33:41] <_methods> what that in there
[11:33:44] <dioz> archivist: watering can
[11:34:02] <_methods> just change that 0xe100 to your port you want to use
[11:34:13] <linux_vampire> lets see what i have there
[11:34:28] <dioz> archivist: are you seams solder?
[11:35:19] <dioz> what kind of metal is that?
[11:35:38] <linux_vampire> i don't have any parport_pc.conf under /etc/modprobe.d/
[11:37:19] <linux_vampire> _methods, what do you mean?
[11:37:40] <_methods> _methods> i think i had to add that parport_pc.conf file to /etc/modprobe.d
[11:37:42] <_methods> 12:05 <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xe100,0xe000 irq=auto
[11:37:53] <archivist_> dioz, seams are soft soldered
[11:38:45] <_methods> i added a file called parport_pc.conf to /etc/modprobe.d
[11:39:01] <_methods> in the parport_pc.conf file add this line
[11:39:08] <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xe100,0xe000 irq=auto
[11:39:17] <linux_vampire> ok..
[11:39:23] <_methods> you'll probably have to reboot after that
[11:39:36] <linux_vampire> did it
[11:39:40] <_methods> but change the 0xe100,0xe000 to your ports
[11:39:41] <linux_vampire> now reboot?
[11:39:50] <_methods> i think you just need one
[11:39:59] <_methods> 0x378 or whatever
[11:40:00] <linux_vampire> how i know what ports i have?
[11:40:19] <pcw_home> lspci -v
[11:40:23] <_methods> 0xe0378
[11:40:26] <linux_vampire> 03f8-03ff
[11:40:36] <pcw_home> 3F8 is a serial port
[11:41:19] <_methods> oops sorry 0x0378
[11:41:22] <pcw_home> on board parallel ports can usually just be 0x378, 0x278 and 0x3BC
[11:41:24] <_methods> i beleive is what you need
[11:42:06] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892734/
[11:42:15] <linux_vampire> this is lspci -vv
[11:42:19] <pcw_home> probably need the 0xDC00 or wherever the CH382 port landed
[11:42:51] <linux_vampire> where i can find it?
[11:42:53] <archivist_> pcw_home, her new card has used the 378 for itself
[11:43:03] <pcw_home> it cant
[11:43:28] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892697/
[11:43:42] <linux_vampire> this is the dmesg
[11:43:57] <archivist> pcw_home, http://paste.debian.net/892711/
[11:44:19] <pcw_home> thats the serial part
[11:44:33] <pcw_home> 0x3f8 is COM1
[11:44:51] <archivist> last line in that paste
[11:45:09] <linux_vampire> it's the on board parallel port
[11:45:13] <pcw_home> Thats the motherboard port
[11:45:19] <linux_vampire> 0378-037a : parport0 -
[11:45:25] <linux_vampire> MB port
[11:46:04] <archivist> line above claims it if the new port driver
[11:46:10] <archivist> it is
[11:46:45] <linux_vampire> it's the folder path
[11:47:02] <pcw_home> since the OS doesnt detect the CH382 +_methods method forces the OS to probe for it at the suggested location
[11:47:09] <_methods> yeap
[11:47:17] <archivist> try it
[11:47:20] <_methods> been awhile since i did that
[11:47:41] <_methods> i probably should have written down the procedure after i got it working lol
[11:48:22] <archivist> I just went back to other box and got 3 parallel ports running in linuxcnc :)
[11:48:26] <linux_vampire> _methods, how did you find the ports that you add to the file?
[11:48:33] <_methods> i just chose those i think
[11:48:37] <_methods> to force it to those ports
[11:48:41] <pcw_home> I hope the base address is the PP address (I looked but was unable to find a CH382L data sheet)
[11:48:43] <_methods> like i said i don't remember lol
[11:49:22] <_methods> took me a quite a bit of trial and error to get it working at all
[11:52:13] <pink_vampire> its reboot now
[11:52:36] <pcw_home> The problem is that linux support for that card is quite new
[11:52:38] <pcw_home> [PATCH 4.4 015/137] tty: Add support for PCIe WCH382 2S multi-IO card
[11:52:39] <pcw_home> (Feb 23 2016)
[11:53:41] <pcw_home> so you have to use stone knives and bearskins to get it to work
[11:53:49] <_methods> hehe
[11:54:07] <_methods> i was bored one day and figured i would make it work some how
[11:54:21] <archivist> except someone had one working in 2014
[11:54:22] <_methods> i remember being angry most of the day
[11:55:39] <_methods> well apparently CaptHindsight has been using them
[11:55:45] <pcw_home> if the card does not need a magic dance to be enabled, any ieee1284 parallel card can be made to work
[11:56:43] <_methods> it only required some of the few remaining hairs on my ead
[11:56:46] <_methods> head even
[11:56:49] <linux_vampire> i'm getting parport0 and parport1
[11:56:58] <pcw_home> jolly good
[11:57:11] <linux_vampire> but the ports look wrong
[11:57:53] <linux_vampire> cat /proc/ioports | grep par
[11:57:53] <linux_vampire> e000-e002 : parport1
[11:57:53] <linux_vampire> e100-e102 : parport0
[11:58:16] <Tom_L> archivist they didn't document it either?
[11:58:56] <_methods> don't judge me
[11:59:06] <_methods> lol
[11:59:14] <archivist> Tom_L, just that it worked http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
[11:59:25] <Tom_L> that's so helpful
[12:02:58] <_methods> zlog
[12:49:11] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:00:49] <CaptHindsight> we built a ton of systems using the CH382L back in '14, don't recall any issues
[13:02:38] <CaptHindsight> I used the same card over the summer along with a 7i92 and 7i77 for servo and stepper laser printer
[13:03:09] <CaptHindsight> don't recall if it was a LCNC ISO from '14 or the latest that was used
[13:29:11] <JT-Shop> I've been splitting cord after cord of wood with my splitter engine stuck on idle... sure runs better now
[13:29:38] <Tom_L> free samples are awesome
[13:30:48] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[13:33:25] <Deejay> re
[13:33:32] <IchGucksLive> cool
[13:36:22] <pink_vampire> [14:03:47] <IchGucksLive> hi did you manage to get the mashine working [14:05:25] <pink_vampire> no [14:07:25] <pink_vampire> i'm able to edit the ports, and get parport0 and parport1 but parport1 not working, i'm getting "1 logic" on all the pins
[13:55:34] <Roguish> pink_vampire: hey, why not just get off the parallel port thing? go pci or pcie or ethernet.
[13:59:10] <JT-Shop> it's a budget thing
[13:59:24] * JT-Shop goes back to splitting firewood in this heat
[14:00:41] <_methods> try parport0 then if 1 isn't working
[14:26:50] <pink_vampire> paraport0 works perfectly, on paraport1, all the outputs are constantly on (logic 1).
[14:27:55] <pcw_home> sounds like the base address in the modprobe was wrong
[14:28:00] <pink_vampire> _methods: if I change the values in the .conf file, then in /proc it shows them
[14:28:46] <pcw_home> was this the 0xDC00 base address?
[14:29:00] <pink_vampire> pcw_home: for para0 it's ok now, but for para1... I'm not sure.. I took the address from lspci.
[14:29:15] <pink_vampire> yes
[14:29:35] <pcw_home> (also be advised that if you move the PCIE card, the address may change)
[14:33:25] <pink_vampire> i have only one pcie
[14:35:48] <Kevin`> Roguish: parport is perfectly reliably if you have a system that can do pci/ethernet well. although slower step rates of course.
[14:36:16] <JT-Shop> let it snow... let it snow... let it snow the wood cribs are full to the top
[15:45:55] <pink_vampire> what is the fastest that i can go on parallel ports?
[15:46:10] <pink_vampire> can i cgo to 80-100khz?
[15:46:16] <pink_vampire> go*
[15:51:48] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: you get them both working?
[15:56:58] <Tom_L> no snow here today...
[15:57:52] <Tom_L> sunny and 72� F
[15:58:40] <XXCoder> ever-washington forever rain here now. 53f
[16:07:42] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: no
[16:07:42] <pink_vampire> just the on board
[16:19:10] <witnit> pink_vampire: if I remember right those cards show the parport as a serial port unless you do something like https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1629616.html
[16:19:33] <witnit> anyone else heard of this? I think the card I had I just trashed it got something I didnt have to screw with
[16:31:28] <_methods> oh i think you need to make it 0xd000 for your card but not sure
[16:31:40] <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xd000 irq=auto
[16:32:11] <_methods> 04:00.0 Serial controller: Device 1c00:3250 (rev 10) (prog-if 05 [16850])
[16:32:13] <_methods> Subsystem: Device 1c00:3250
[16:32:15] <_methods> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
[16:32:17] <_methods> Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
[16:32:19] <_methods> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
[16:32:21] <_methods> Region 0: I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
[16:32:23] <_methods> that was from your lspci
[16:32:33] <_methods> that region 0 i/p at dc00
[16:32:48] <_methods> pretty sure that's what i used for mine
[16:33:25] <_methods> this is what mine looks like
[16:33:27] <_methods> 02:00.0 Serial controller: Device 1c00:3050 (rev 10) (prog-if 05 [16850])
[16:33:29] <_methods> Subsystem: Device 1c00:3050
[16:33:31] <_methods> Flags: fast devsel, IRQ 16
[16:33:33] <_methods> I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
[16:34:47] <_methods> 03:00.0 Serial controller: Device 1c00:3253 (rev 10) (prog-if 05 [16850])
[16:34:49] <_methods> Subsystem: Device 1c00:3253
[16:34:51] <_methods> Flags: fast devsel, IRQ 17
[16:34:53] <_methods> I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
[16:42:25] <_methods> oops i forgot the c
[16:42:33] <_methods> options parport_pc io=0xdc00 irq=auto
[16:42:54] <_methods> i think that should do the trick
[16:42:57] <_methods> theoretically
[16:43:13] <witnit> science
[16:44:25] <_methods> hehe
[17:09:33] <andypugh> witnit it’s spelt “Science!”
[17:10:49] <andypugh> witnit: https://www.offworlddesigns.com/girl-genius-glorious-day-t-shirt/
[17:11:23] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any success with the students broken engine?
[17:11:30] <andypugh> I think so, yes
[17:11:50] <CaptHindsight> found parts or materials on a Saturday?!
[17:12:35] <andypugh> https://plus.google.com/108164504656404380542/posts/17NGPziPRdh
[17:13:55] <andypugh> I drilled don through the crack, then back up through that hole into the fallen-off part. Then tapped it and put in a 1/4 BSF screw. Then once that was holding it a all straight and together I silver-soldered it to make sure.
[17:15:45] <andypugh> The part that that screwed into had susty studs, and one broke, and the students managed to break off a drill in the stud trying to get it out. That actually proved to be a more difficult repair.
[17:15:54] <andypugh> (rusty studs)
[17:16:11] <CaptHindsight> from a 1902 auto?
[17:16:48] <CaptHindsight> oh no
[17:17:38] <CaptHindsight> well you don't really learn about not breaking bit until you do and have to get it out, so good lesson :)
[17:18:01] <CaptHindsight> but in this case you had to fix their mistake
[17:18:53] <andypugh> We were lucky to find a 7mm diamond core bit in the local harware shop, and one of them spent an hour or so drilling round the broken-off bit
[17:21:27] <andypugh> There is a most unlikley little hardware shop near the college. Tiny but really well equipped:
[17:21:28] <andypugh> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4980906,-0.1837126,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1p_I52P2J29Cofg8Dal68w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
[17:22:04] <andypugh> That’s a pretty fancy bit of London, not somewhere you would expect to find any kind of useful shop.
[17:25:45] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: where can i find the possion of the holes and sockets of the 7i92?
[17:26:08] <MarkusBec> ah
[17:26:09] <MarkusBec> ok
[17:26:21] <MarkusBec> have only too scroll all the way down
[17:27:58] <Deejay> gn8
[17:28:36] <JT-Shop> the manual
[17:41:31] <linux_vampire> hii all
[17:42:14] <XXCoder> hey
[17:42:26] * JT-Shop ponders how to get a 325lb 3 in 1 machine off my table and down to the ground without dropping it
[17:42:58] <linux_vampire> someone can help me to edit the hal file and move the A axis for example to the second port for testing.
[17:43:16] <Nick-Shop> carefully and keep the toes out of the way
[17:43:24] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop, strong acid
[17:43:57] <JT-Shop> just change the pin
[17:44:08] <JT-Shop> did you get the second port working?
[17:44:16] <linux_vampire> i don't know
[17:44:23] <linux_vampire> i want to test it
[17:48:31] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
[17:52:15] <linux_vampire> JT-Shop, it's not supported
[17:52:28] <linux_vampire> the wiki is out dated,
[17:53:01] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:53:08] <JT-Shop> not every page
[17:53:32] <JT-Shop> and I coded that lol
[17:53:56] <linux_vampire> other then that i want to add a probe "led" to the panel
[17:56:39] <linux_vampire> where i can find a list with all the "halpins"?
[17:59:40] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnjE5udkNEA
[18:01:14] <JT-Shop> have to watch in the morning during free time
[18:01:27] <JT-Shop> thanks for the comment on the thing
[18:05:22] <pcw_home> linux_vampire: halcmd show pin
[18:05:58] <pcw_home> also
[18:05:59] <pcw_home> halcmd show param
[18:06:18] <linux_vampire> berta
[18:06:21] <linux_vampire> berta
[18:06:27] <linux_vampire> berta
[18:06:55] <linux_vampire> berta
[18:07:16] <pink_vampire> looooooollllll
[18:07:53] <pink_vampire> i was type the wrong keyboard!
[18:08:15] <JT-Shop> your evening song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCMHmDnfD6I
[18:09:23] <linux_vampire> wnnklkjhgfdfghhalcmd ask me for commans
[18:09:49] <linux_vampire> wtf is wrong with the computer
[18:10:04] <JT-Shop> plugged in backwards
[18:16:38] <pink_vampire> i fixed the keyboard issue
[18:16:57] <pink_vampire> now what i need to do the halcmd?
[18:17:23] <pcw_home> linuxcnc needs to be running
[18:17:52] <pink_vampire> ok one sec
[18:18:26] <pink_vampire> ok it's running
[18:19:10] <pcw_home> if you want everything:
[18:19:12] <pcw_home> halcmd show all
[18:19:31] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892829/
[18:19:42] <pink_vampire> this is what i get
[18:20:05] <pcw_home> thats expected if you just type halcmd
[18:20:25] <pcw_home> try
[18:20:26] <pcw_home> halcmd show all
[18:21:34] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892831/
[18:34:00] <JT-Shop> looks like your up and going
[18:35:32] <_methods> gawd halp us all
[18:36:47] <pink_vampire> i tried to all the to the gui interface <halpin>"probe-input"</halpin>
[18:37:24] <pink_vampire> but i got red led and it not change if the the probe change state
[18:38:02] <JT-Shop> probably a typo
[18:39:09] <pink_vampire> it's a copy paste from the halcmd output
[18:39:28] <andypugh> bit FALSE probe-in
[18:39:31] <andypugh> ==> motion.probe-input
[18:39:31] <andypugh> <== parport.1.pin-10-in
[18:40:01] <andypugh> Are you expecting a pyvcp pin in that net too?
[18:40:02] <pink_vampire> so maybe probe in?
[18:40:27] <andypugh> The pyvcp pin name can be anything.
[18:40:47] <andypugh> But it would need to be in the net. But: Your only pyvcp pins are:
[18:40:56] <andypugh> 18 bit IN TRUE pyvcp.spindle-at-speed-led <== spindle-at-speed
[18:40:57] <andypugh> 18 float IN 0 pyvcp.spindle-speed <== spindle-cmd-rpm-abs
[18:44:30] <pink_vampire> where i set the pins for pyvcp?
[18:44:42] <JT-Shop> your postgui .hal file
[18:45:06] <andypugh> I don’t think pyvcp is even making the pin
[18:45:41] * JT-Shop listens to 21 minutes of Thick as a Brick
[18:46:05] <pink_vampire> mm lets see
[18:47:14] * JT-Shop loves the line "I can make you feel but can't make you think"
[18:51:55] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892834/
[18:52:13] <pink_vampire> something like that?
[18:52:44] <pink_vampire> andypugh: ^
[18:53:29] <andypugh> But you don’t seem to have a pin called “pyvcp.probe-led”
[18:54:20] <pink_vampire> "pyvcp.probe-led" it the name that i did..
[18:54:38] <andypugh> It wasn’t in the HAL you posted earlier
[18:55:56] <pink_vampire> so how i make it read the probe?
[19:04:15] <andypugh> Which “it”? I think you will fnd that LinuxCNC is reading the probe, and that G38 will work
[19:05:03] <andypugh> But I am guessing from the <halpin> thing that you posted that you are trying to set up a PyVCP LED to show the state?
[19:08:37] <pink_vampire> correct.
[19:08:49] <pink_vampire> like the mach3 led.
[19:09:05] <andypugh> So, first, you need to make the PyVCP actually create the LED. Is that part working?
[19:09:56] <pink_vampire> i have red circle
[19:10:19] <andypugh> How many?
[19:11:19] <pink_vampire> one sec i will connect from the linux
[19:11:57] <andypugh> ie, do you have spindle-at-speed _and_ probe-state LEDs?
[19:12:31] <linux_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/yPArw3g.png
[19:12:47] <linux_vampire> this is how the gui look right now
[19:13:06] <andypugh> can you paste the PyVCP file
[19:13:18] <linux_vampire> sure
[19:13:53] <linux_vampire> custompanel.xml
[19:14:22] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892836/
[19:15:00] <linux_vampire> custom_postgui.hal
[19:15:04] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892837/
[19:15:27] <andypugh> That’s odd
[19:15:44] <linux_vampire> what do you mean?
[19:16:15] <andypugh> I mean it looks OK, but the pyvcp.probe-in pin dod not appear in the HAL dump that ypu pasted.
[19:17:24] <linux_vampire> i need to edit something?
[19:17:48] <andypugh> Hard to say.
[19:18:08] <andypugh> I really don’t know why you don’t seem to have that pin
[19:18:50] <linux_vampire> all the probe stuff that you see is stuff that i added to the files
[19:19:59] <andypugh> Are you sure that the HAL dump earlier was made with that PyVCP file active?
[19:21:45] <linux_vampire> what hal dump?
[19:21:57] <linux_vampire> halcmd | grep probe?
[19:22:07] <andypugh> http://paste.debian.net/892831/
[19:22:43] <linux_vampire> yes
[19:23:19] <linux_vampire> sorry, i'm not sure
[19:23:26] <andypugh> So the puzzle is why that HAL doesn’t have a pin calle d pyvcp.probe-in
[19:23:27] <linux_vampire> i'm run it now
[19:23:41] <linux_vampire> halcmd show pin | grep probe
[19:23:41] <linux_vampire> 9 bit IN FALSE motion.probe-input <== probe-in
[19:23:41] <linux_vampire> 12 bit OUT FALSE parport.1.pin-10-in ==> probe-in
[19:23:41] <linux_vampire> 18 bit IN FALSE pyvcp.probe-in
[19:23:52] <andypugh> Ah, there you are.
[19:24:29] <andypugh> Add “net probe-in pyvcp.probe-in” to your postgui HAL file
[19:25:06] <Magnifikus> any idea how to limit the axis not joint speed with linear delta kinematics?
[19:25:46] <andypugh> Magnifikus: Should be [TRAJ]MAX_VELOCITY
[19:26:30] <linux_vampire> I've added it now to the last line
[19:26:57] <Magnifikus> isnt that the max effective velocity?
[19:27:12] <Magnifikus> cause with linear delta the axis can much faster than the joint on the edges
[19:27:16] <andypugh> Yes, you want an actual axis limit?
[19:27:32] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892853/
[19:27:34] <Magnifikus> yeah cause i can move faster in the center
[19:27:44] <andypugh> Whoy do you want to limit a specific direction?
[19:27:44] <linux_vampire> something like that?
[19:28:13] <andypugh> linux_vampire: Yes, that should work
[19:28:16] <Magnifikus> the max velocity is basicly dependent on the position
[19:28:22] <linux_vampire> linux cnc give error
[19:28:32] <andypugh> What error?
[19:29:00] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892854/
[19:29:55] <andypugh> Lose these lines: motion.probe-input => pyvcp.probe-led
[19:29:56] <andypugh> sets motion.probe-input true
[19:30:21] <andypugh> A HAL line needs to start with a command.
[19:30:35] <linux_vampire> to delete them?
[19:30:53] <andypugh> Yes, they would be no help, even if they worked
[19:31:42] <Magnifikus> oroh i see http://linuxcnc.org/2016/06/27/Joints-Axes-merged/ :)
[19:32:22] <andypugh> Magnifikus: Yes, if you are using that then you could have separate joint and axis velocity limits
[19:32:22] <kasious> so in sw if i want to take a circular patern of a feature lets say a part in an assembly and convert it to individuals parts any idea?
[19:32:26] <linux_vampire> andypugh, cuute!!! it work!!!
[19:32:58] <Magnifikus> thank god :)
[19:33:07] <linux_vampire> no
[19:33:19] <linux_vampire> it thank andypugh
[19:33:29] <andypugh> Magnifikus: Mainly thank Dewey
[19:36:36] <Magnifikus> also linuxcnc as 3d printer
[19:36:42] <Magnifikus> http://pasteboard.co/nKtEnVdjD.png
[19:36:44] <Magnifikus> first try today
[19:37:18] <XXCoder> pot frog
[19:37:24] <XXCoder> I see tons 5 point leaves ;)
[19:37:38] <linux_vampire> that look much better than my mach3 prints?
[19:37:47] <linux_vampire> ?=!
[19:37:51] <XXCoder> yours need to be calibrated
[19:37:57] <Magnifikus> no idea its a 10€ hotend
[19:38:00] <XXCoder> mine is better than his frog
[19:38:08] <Magnifikus> 5€ pla from ebay (including shipping for 1kg)
[19:38:19] <Magnifikus> a self machined extruder
[19:38:20] <linux_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/HcAB8UU.png
[19:38:26] <Magnifikus> and ballscrew delta :P
[19:38:34] <XXCoder> im recalbrating mine actually because sizes does not match actual model sizes
[19:38:47] <linux_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/cEjFSNA.png
[19:39:00] <Magnifikus> and my calibration was measuring the home with calipers
[19:40:05] <XXCoder> mag I did first overnight print today lol
[19:40:18] <XXCoder> made large n64 logo (4 sided N)
[19:40:24] <Magnifikus> http://pasteboard.co/nKQ3eHmJE.png
[19:41:05] <XXCoder> linux_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJiVhWflT8Kb11WJwOlN6Mg/videos
[19:41:10] <XXCoder> check out that channel
[19:41:34] <XXCoder> not as good as Tom's but yeah
[19:41:48] <linux_vampire> i know it
[19:41:56] <linux_vampire> very good
[22:13:24] <witnit> JT-Shop: can the legs be taken off your table?