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[01:04:12] <jesseg> CaptHindsight, hahahaha actually my irc client does show one and ell very differently, but I'm so used to ells looking like ones I didn't even think about it...!
[01:12:45] <jesseg> CaptHindsight, but as to the 5uM or 1uM, really for my needs 10 or 20 microns would be fine enough, 5 would be overkill :P
[01:25:45] <pink_vampire> hi
[01:26:57] <pink_vampire> I have windows 7 on the computer, and i want to also install linux cnc
[01:28:29] <pink_vampire> on the partition page in the installation i have 2 partitions 100mb and 1tb
[01:29:20] <pink_vampire> what to do?
[01:30:56] <eeriegeek> get another hard drive?
[01:31:51] <pink_vampire> not funny
[01:32:08] <eeriegeek> nope, completely serious
[01:32:33] <eeriegeek> you should be able to get a 250MB sata for free these days
[01:32:48] <eeriegeek> and just move it when you get a dedicated cnc machine
[01:33:37] <pink_vampire> i want to use this 1tb drive
[01:36:59] <pink_vampire> solved
[01:45:39] <pink_vampire> it's apply the changes to the disk
[01:45:43] <pink_vampire> eeriegeek:
[01:49:38] <pink_vampire> grub installed now
[01:52:43] <pink_vampire> I'm on fresh linux cnc installation
[01:58:18] <FloppyDisk525> Maybe you figured it out, but do the upgrade to get to 2.7.7. The disk is the 'base' 2.7.0 install, I believe.
[01:58:38] <FloppyDisk525> By upgrade, I mean debian upgrade..
[02:08:16] <pink_vampire> how do I check my current version?
[02:12:24] <pink_vampire> i see it now
[02:12:35] <pink_vampire> it is 2.7.0
[02:13:02] <pink_vampire> how the update is done?
[02:56:35] <archivist> run the OS update it is included
[03:16:40] <Deejay> moin
[03:21:58] <pink_vampire> archivist: , i did it
[03:22:11] <pink_vampire> now i have 2.7.7
[03:22:50] <pink_vampire> i'm using dual parallel ports
[03:25:33] <pink_vampire> but i have only one that is currently installed, i can start for now with just single parallel port and add the other one later, or i should installed both of them now?
[03:25:40] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[03:26:06] <archivist> up to you
[03:27:19] <pink_vampire> i'm working on a table with all the machine settings
[03:46:01] <pink_vampire> do i need any drivers for the lpt pci?
[03:46:06] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[03:50:36] <archivist> it should be found so no
[03:51:19] <archivist> use lspci to see what you have
[04:23:17] <pink_vampire> the computer is botting up
[04:37:52] <pink_vampire> do i need to change something here?
http://i.imgur.com/7X7EGAl.png
[04:37:54] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[04:39:09] <pink_vampire> other then that i can't find the second parallel port card. just the on board one
[04:39:14] <archivist> I normally dont touch that
[04:39:23] <pink_vampire> ok
[04:39:33] <archivist> the bios probably wont see it
[04:40:06] <archivist> after booting into linux open a terminal type lspci
[04:40:50] <pink_vampire> ok, few moments it's going to be up
[04:45:53] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.ca/3736133
[04:46:22] <pink_vampire> this is the lspci output
[04:46:26] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[04:47:44] <archivist> type man lspci
[04:49:40] <pink_vampire> i'm getting the man page for it..
[04:50:29] <archivist> yes, for you to read, and know how to get more info
[04:50:54] <pink_vampire> i can use the -v option
[04:51:37] <pink_vampire> but as far as i can see there is no lpt/parallel
[04:52:24] <archivist> I bet the serial it sees is that card
[04:52:51] <pink_vampire> lets see
[04:53:48] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.ca/3736134
[04:54:24] <pink_vampire> this is the serial thing with the -v option
[04:59:10] <pink_vampire> i can't find even the on board port
[05:05:10] <archivist> parallel port changed a bit recently but as you have done a clean install it should be there and ok
[05:05:43] <archivist> see bottom of
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[05:07:49] <pink_vampire> i'm not sure what to do
[05:08:07] <pink_vampire> i see the text at the bottom
[05:09:05] <pink_vampire> but is basically talk about old versions of linux cnc
[05:09:13] <archivist> I bet the first port just works anyway, the second may already have been grabbed and discovered
[05:10:08] <pink_vampire> so is supposed to work automatic?
[05:10:15] <pink_vampire> it*
[05:12:33] <archivist> try lsmod | grep parport
[05:17:51] <jthornton> morning
[05:21:19] <pink_vampire> i got 2 lines
[05:21:33] <pink_vampire> parport_pc 21896 1
[05:21:46] <pink_vampire> parport 35208 3 lp,ppdev,parport_pc
[05:22:44] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[05:31:46] <jthornton> pink_vampire: the easy way to see what pci card you have is to lspci -v take the card out and lspci -v again and compare the two
[05:34:48] <pink_vampire> jthornton: but I'm not sure even for the on board one
[05:35:28] <jthornton> not sure about what?
[05:37:53] <archivist> you have already seen the onboard with lsmod
[05:38:22] <archivist> and maybe the second as well
[05:39:25] <archivist> that would have had 0 lines if nothing was found
[05:39:31] <pink_vampire> I'm getting an error and linuxcnc don't open
[05:39:55] <archivist> read the error before complaining
[05:40:02] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:41:48] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892298
[05:43:49] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html#_parallel_port
[05:44:06] <archivist> that is an old 2.6 config?
[05:44:38] <archivist> hand edit your hal as that doc explains
[05:44:45] <pink_vampire> i'm not sure
[05:45:03] <pink_vampire> i've used the stepconf
[05:47:33] <archivist> time to wean yourself off stepconf
[05:52:25] <archivist> this is where our docs fall down, what is the default editor in the distro to use, what to edit and why
[05:53:39] <pink_vampire> i see several hal files
[05:54:26] <pink_vampire> but i'm not sure who is the one that i need to edit
[05:55:10] <archivist> the docs say comment out a line in any of them
[05:55:27] <archivist> find which have the line
[05:55:44] <XXCoder> just got my connectors and wires kit
[05:55:53] <XXCoder> have to say, its bigger than I expected
[05:56:24] <jthornton> oh geez that paragraph was written by a programmer
[05:56:28] <archivist> pink_vampire, the error message also told you which file the error was found in
[05:57:08] <jthornton> at least this line is clear and to the point Make sure your Hal configuration does not have loadrt probe_parport in any .hal file.
[05:57:48] <archivist> yes but to a an ex windows pointy clicky that paragraph is.....
[05:58:00] <jthornton> XXCoder: getting ready to router
[05:58:43] <XXCoder> jthornton: cnc router?
[06:00:06] <jthornton> you got all you need now to hook it up?
[06:01:26] <XXCoder> nah still need to wire up and real 52mm spindle
[06:02:23] <pink_vampire> i see the berta hal
[06:03:18] <pink_vampire> and i see all the settings that stepconf set
[06:03:48] <pink_vampire> but I have no idea what to do with that
[06:04:13] <XXCoder> jt thats been my problem - I cant figure how to setup so linuxcnc can set rpm and it stays that speed
[06:04:49] <pink_vampire> to delete this file?
[06:05:00] <archivist> no just one line in it
[06:05:15] <pink_vampire> what number?
[06:05:28] <pink_vampire> where you see it?
[06:05:41] <archivist> the one that mathes that doc I showed
[06:05:48] <archivist> matches
[06:06:13] <XXCoder> just use editor find function
[06:06:54] <jthornton> XXCoder: what kind of speed control do you have?
[06:07:19] <pink_vampire> the hall file is open in mousepad
[06:07:35] <pink_vampire> no what?
[06:07:36] <XXCoder> its more question of "do I have anything" and answer is no. I do have BOB so can setup something but right now thers nothjing
[06:07:38] <archivist> Make sure your Hal configuration does not have loadrt probe_parport in any .hal file
[06:08:40] <pink_vampire> so to looking for it and delete it ? loadrt probe_parport
[06:09:45] <archivist> or comment out
[06:15:27] <jthornton> seems to me you just need to open the configuration with the 2.7 stepconf wizard and it should take care of the details
[06:16:38] <archivist> she wants to add a second parallel port, does stepconf know about second port?
[06:16:46] <jthornton> yes
[06:17:34] <jthornton> has a radio button for One Parport or Two Parports
[06:17:46] <pink_vampire> i go over all the files with .hal in the configuration but i cant find any line that mach that "loadrt probe_parport"
[06:18:38] <pink_vampire> i've tried also probe_parport
[06:21:59] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892304/
[06:22:47] <pink_vampire> i did grep on all of the files with "parport"
[06:22:51] <pink_vampire> ^
[06:23:52] <pink_vampire> archivist: jthornton XXCoder
[06:24:47] <XXCoder> found any file has it?
[06:25:09] <pink_vampire> no one
[06:25:27] <pink_vampire> you can see the output
[06:26:32] <pink_vampire> and also the error page don't have the string "loadrt probe_parport"
[06:26:54] <pink_vampire> what to do?
[06:27:48] <pink_vampire> I can't find the logic of what the error is all about
[06:28:43] <XXCoder> never reakkt modified hal files heh
[06:31:03] <pink_vampire> the only thing i have with loadrt and paraport is that loadrt hal_parport cfg="0 out 1 out"
[06:31:38] <pink_vampire> this is line 6 on the hal file
[06:31:55] <pink_vampire> archivist: jthornton XXCoder
[06:32:04] <pink_vampire> seb_kuzminsky:
[06:32:17] <pink_vampire> someone?
[06:33:00] <XXCoder> sorry not too familiar with hal configuration
[06:33:26] <archivist> here one spends a bit of time googling before nagging everyone in the channel
[06:35:39] <XXCoder> arch heh few times I did tons of google, no help, and here not much help
[06:35:58] <XXCoder> im still figuring what my options are on configuring rpm feeback for spindle
[06:37:19] <archivist> well her error was in the dmesg output as well PARPORT: ERROR: port parport0 claim failed
[06:38:04] <archivist> googling that error finds
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/26684-problem-with-paraler-port
[06:39:19] <archivist> that is a bit old though and an earlier version
[06:40:24] <archivist> I also found
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/34849040/
[06:47:01] <XXCoder> dmesg should also say which hal caused that apparently
[06:55:24] <archivist> nah dmesg is the OS list of errors
[06:59:45] <pink_vampire> this is the output of dmesg
http://paste.debian.net/892307/
[07:00:16] <XXCoder> [ 984.357506] PARPORT: ERROR: linux parport 1 not found
[07:04:01] <pink_vampire> mmmm
[07:04:52] <XXCoder> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=169163
[07:04:59] <XXCoder> discussion about it
[07:05:06] <XXCoder> somewhat old though, 2013
[07:13:37] <jthornton> cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
[07:13:46] <jthornton> that will list all the parports
[07:34:33] <pink_vampire> 0378-037a : parport0
[07:34:44] <pink_vampire> jthornton:
[07:35:50] <pink_vampire> so it's basically not recognize the lpt
[07:36:20] <pink_vampire> just the on board one
[07:38:25] <archivist> axis should still be able to run on that one
[07:40:03] <pink_vampire> i know, but i need more then one lpt
[08:01:19] <skunkworks> what card is this?
[08:02:56] <skunkworks> lspci -v
[08:12:16] <archivist> has the card got a jumper and that port is disabled
[08:59:50] <ToddZ> pink_vampire: what pp card are you trying to use? (manufacture, chip, interface...)
[09:00:04] <pink_vampire> let me see
[09:01:12] <pink_vampire> i need to take it out of the computer
[09:01:21] <pink_vampire> one sec ToddZ
[09:14:48] <miss0r> I have just started turning a backplate for my new 4-jaw chuck. I thought this mystery metal from my stock was some sort of mild steel until I started turning it on the lathe. The chips resemble something I would expect out of cast iron. Do any of you guys know of a way to verify this?
[09:14:51] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/xBlwnY7.png
[09:15:00] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/gPIDBgt.png
[09:15:10] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/3S0azvb.png
[09:15:19] <pink_vampire> ToddZ:
[09:15:27] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: look at it under a micrsocope for microstructure?
[09:15:31] <SpeedEvil> burn it?
[09:15:43] <SpeedEvil> dissolve it in acid, and look for the graphite?
[09:15:48] <pink_vampire> i took the card out of the computer and took pictures
[09:17:04] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: burn it? (that sounds like something I might be able to do here)
[09:17:10] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: archivist^
[09:17:45] <SpeedEvil> having said that - why do you think it's not cast iron
[09:17:54] <SpeedEvil> AIUI very little will make chips like CI
[09:18:06] <ToddZ> pink_vampire: I've heard of some others having trouble with cards with that chip
[09:19:14] <pink_vampire> it's the only one i can find here and it was about 50$
[09:19:39] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: I have no reason to think its not cast iron. Other than I just thought it was rusted up steel, I bought from a scrap yeard some years back.
[09:19:40] <ToddZ> You might need to install a driver to get it to work
[09:19:59] <miss0r> This is what is great about mystery metal
[09:20:10] <pink_vampire> where do i get a driver for it?
[09:20:26] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: The chips even crumble to the touch
[09:20:35] <SpeedEvil> quite
[09:21:29] <miss0r> That all sounds to me like CI. But I am no material expert. What are the odds you think?
[09:23:37] <archivist> pink_vampire, google the chip part number with linux as well
[09:29:31] <ToddZ> pink_vampire: Googling arround I've found some references to patching the Linux kernel to make it work. but don't ask me how to do it.
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-serial/msg14294.html
[09:30:26] <ToddZ> Do you have to have a PCIe card PCI cards seem to be a little less likely to have problems.
[09:30:46] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to see of i have pci
[09:43:05] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/NKvSCv
[09:43:50] <ToddZ> You could try one of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124083&cm_re=parallel_port-_-15-124-083-_-Product
[09:44:00] <MacGalempsy> a few more brackets and it will be time to connect the wites
[09:50:45] <pink_vampire> i have one that is pci but is the same chip
[09:56:47] <pink_vampire> ToddZ: did you have good experience with it?
[09:57:07] <ToddZ> If your computer has a PCI slot and you have the card it doesn't hurt to try it
[09:58:10] <ToddZ> No, I have only ever used PCI cards with Moschip, but I have not had one I couldn't use.
[10:05:56] <ToddZ> I have used this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004F3CWK4/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=43017630302&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4760108947296431806&hvpone=93.50&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9015488&hvtargid=aud-263816198344:kwd-73013189942&ref=pd_sl_6oca1q68zz_e
[10:12:57] <miss0r> You gotta love hardspots in castings
[10:18:34] <pcw_home> pink_vampire: you might be able to get the card to work if you use its base address instead of parallel port #
[10:20:48] <skunkworks> do a lspci -v and pastebin the results./
[10:40:19] <pink_vampire> pcw_home: what do you mean?
[10:40:25] <pink_vampire> skunkworks:
http://pastebin.ca/3736133
[10:40:31] <pink_vampire> this is lspci
[10:41:13] <skunkworks> can you do a -v?
[10:41:18] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/892373/
[10:41:27] <pink_vampire> this is -vvv
[10:43:11] <pcw_home> so base address is either 0xdc00 or 0xdf00
[10:45:37] <pcw_home> (maybe) none look like standard parallel port ranges
[10:45:54] <skunkworks> worth a shot
[10:46:16] <pink_vampire> pcw_home: on the card there is 2 serial ports and 1 parallel
[10:47:00] <pcw_home> that likely why its using a serial port PCI device type
[10:49:22] <pink_vampire> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
[10:49:32] <pink_vampire> this is the card i have
[10:50:19] <pink_vampire> here it show as one that supported
[10:50:21] <pink_vampire> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware
[10:51:09] <ToddZ> pink_vampire: what Linux distro are you running?
[10:51:16] <pcw_home> maybe just an issue of finding the correct base address
[10:51:25] <pink_vampire> linux cnc 2.7.7
[10:52:06] <pink_vampire> it's debian based
[10:52:06] <ToddZ> So is that on Debian 7 (Wheezy)?
[10:52:12] <pink_vampire> yes
[10:52:25] <archivist> was that card tested on ubuntu not debian?
[10:53:33] <pink_vampire> cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
[10:53:41] <archivist> may need their non free drivers loading
[10:54:20] <skunkworks> try cfg="0xdc00" or cfg="0xdf00" and see if it twiddles bits.
[10:54:23] <pink_vampire> I need to buy the drivers???
[10:54:30] <ToddZ> The fellow who was having trouble with that card on the forums was trying it on Ubuntu 10.04
[10:55:01] <archivist> seems the wiki page dates from 2014
[10:55:03] <ToddZ> Did the card come with any driver disks?
[10:55:38] <pink_vampire> http://www.drivers-download.com/Drv/WCH/CH38x/CH38x_Linux.zip
[10:55:49] <pink_vampire> this is what i see
[10:55:56] <pink_vampire> nothing
[10:56:08] <pcw_home> I would try the address (if the chip doesnt require a magic dance from the driver to start up it should not require a driver at all)
[10:56:42] <pink_vampire> how do i set the address?
[10:57:01] <pcw_home> man hal_parport
[10:57:25] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH works for me
[10:58:44] <pcw_home> basically you replace the 1 on the loadrt hal parport line with 0xdc00 or 0xdf00
[10:59:09] <pink_vampire> ok, let me see
[11:00:13] <pink_vampire> this is the original line loadrt hal_parport cfg="0 out 1 out"
[11:00:53] <pink_vampire> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0 out 0xdc00 out"
[11:01:09] <pink_vampire> to change it to that?
[11:01:38] <pcw_home> yeah give it a try
[11:05:15] <ToddZ> Not sure if you can mix the two port formats might have to change it to loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 out 0xdc00 out"
[11:05:54] <pink_vampire> 0xdc00 or 0xdf00 didnt work
[11:06:09] <pink_vampire> i'm trying now with the 0x378
[11:06:52] <ToddZ> 0x378 is mostlikely your old MB port
[11:08:48] <pcw_home> didn't work meaning?
[11:09:15] <pcw_home> 0==0x378 == your motherboard port
[11:10:20] <pcw_home> port 1 is not there since Wheezy didn't recognize the CH382L as a parallel port
[11:13:41] <pink_vampire> with the 0x378 or just 0, and with the 0xdc00 or 0xdf00 or 1 nothing work
[11:14:17] <archivist> "nothing work" does not help, what error message etc
[11:14:46] <pink_vampire> same error about line 6 on the hal file
[11:15:27] <archivist> you may find the dmesg line changes though
[11:17:27] <pink_vampire> archivist: new dmesg
http://paste.debian.net/892381/
[11:19:24] <archivist> note PARPORT: ERROR: port parport0 claim failed is for port 0 not 1 (base port)
[11:20:00] <pink_vampire> i saw that.
[11:20:24] <pink_vampire> before it was PARPORT: ERROR: linux parport 1 not found
[11:23:22] <archivist> I would be unplugging that card and getting the pc to run with the base parallel port before trying the second
[11:24:00] <pcw_home> so the port at 0xdc00 might work, dont know yet
[11:25:51] <pink_vampire> the machine is working now on mach3, so the machine is in working condition, this is a new computer just for installing and setup linux cnc, so i can replace the mach3 with linux cnc
[11:26:41] <pcw_home> I'm not sure why you have the "failed to claim" error
[11:26:42] <pcw_home> but heres a thread about the issue:
[11:26:44] <pcw_home> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/26684-problem-with-paraler-port
[11:28:38] <pcw_home> I dont think its a common issue and maybe related to some shutdown issue (not shutting down cleanly on error)
[11:28:49] <CaptHindsight> "This mostly occurs where someone has loaded Linuxcnc onto a vanilla distro install, rather than installing from the Live CD."
[11:38:59] <archivist> she put it on a second partition no idea if it was off the live cd
[11:39:08] <cradek> isn't all that advice wrong with modern linuxcnc versions? hal_parport cooperates with the system parport driver modules now...
[11:41:24] <cradek> I/O addresses below 16 are treated as port indexes. This is the simplest way to install the parport driver and cooperates with the Linux parport_pc driver if it is loaded. This will use the address Linux has detected for parport 0. loadrt hal_parport cfg="0"
[11:41:43] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/parallel-port.html#_loading
[11:43:30] <pink_vampire> i did clean install boot then i select install (not live)
[11:44:53] <pink_vampire> i'm not sure what to do now
[11:45:14] <ToddZ> Too bad someone who has actually succesfully used a ch382L card doesn't step forward, and say what hoops they had to jump through.
[11:46:42] <pink_vampire> i see that the ch382L is very very common card
[11:47:08] <CaptHindsight> I don't recall any hoops. We stated using them 2-3 years ago. They just work.
[11:47:18] <CaptHindsight> stated/started
[11:47:48] <archivist> pink clean from what, the live cd or something else
[11:48:10] <nubcake> hi
[11:48:21] <pink_vampire> yes, from the linux cnc iso
[11:48:57] <ToddZ> CaptHindsight: If you have a working systme using one of those cards could you post the pertinent lspci -v output for comparison?
[11:48:58] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: did you use the pci, or the pcie version?
[11:52:08] <CaptHindsight> nothing in house currently or already assembled
[11:58:03] <CaptHindsight> I'd do a fresh install from the LiveCD. It would be done by now vs all this.
[12:04:10] <archivist> I just shoved a dual port card in a box fired it up and... grmbl stepconf only used one of the new pair on top of the base one
[12:06:28] <pink_vampire> maybe there is a bug in linux cnc?
[12:06:34] <archivist> no
[12:06:59] <archivist> dont think so in this case
[12:10:09] <ToddZ> I thing Stepconf is only capable of using 2 ports.
[12:10:38] <pcw_home> cradek: I think the issue is the Wheezy does not recognize the CH382L chip so you cannot use the index method
[12:10:39] <pcw_home> I may be wrong but I thought the hal_parport driver can just access the card via I/O addresses if a LPT driver is not needed for card setup/enable
[12:11:42] <cradek> oh I see
[12:12:03] <cradek> but I think hal_parport always uses the OS's calls to claim the port
[12:22:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: So, how exactly did you convert that welder to DC ?
[12:23:21] <jdh> big diode!
[12:23:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and I have 4x 4700 uF caps
[12:23:37] <Jymmm> jdh: I think I have a 400A bridge
[12:26:11] <enleth> pcw_home: would you ground the shield around servo drive analog connection from 7i77 to the 7i77's ground or the servo drive's ground? I expect the latter to make more sense (dissipate noise into a much beefier power side ground instead of the control ground), but want to be sure anyway
[12:28:15] <pcw_home> I would probably use the control (7I77) ground as it cleaner (especially if the drives have differential inputs)
[12:29:01] <pcw_home> for single ended drive inputs its more of a toss-up
[12:29:06] <enleth> yes, they're called REF+/REF- on the drive and neither has a connection to the drive's supply ground
[12:30:14] <enleth> also, as I don't have the 7i77 near me at the moment, is the DB25 socket shield connected to the card's ground?
[12:30:30] <enleth> I forgot to check
[12:32:08] <enleth> if so, or if the copper around screw holes is, it's already grounded to the steel control enclosure as well,
[12:33:03] <pcw_home> yes thats the default (theres a 0 Ohm resistor connecting shell to ground)
[12:33:47] <enleth> the servo power supply ground is floating, although I really ought to run a bunch of continuity checks on the whole original wiring to check for any grounded circuits that shouldn't be or weren't clearly marked as such on the schematic
[12:34:21] <enleth> right now I can't be 100% sure it's all floating
[12:35:21] <Jymmm> I like this and the waterbottleboat at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lM-z9iSY7ng#t=106
[13:33:07] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:34:47] <pink_vampire> hi
[13:35:19] <Deejay> hi
[13:35:23] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[13:36:07] <IchGucksLive> last animation from today
https://youtu.be/iNEj9MWGLgg
[13:36:17] <IchGucksLive> cool to rotate the wheels
[13:36:47] <gregcnc> does it cut while driving?
[13:37:23] <IchGucksLive> that woudt be a cool anie 2
[13:38:08] <IchGucksLive> wth a 5m parport 1284EEE shure
[13:38:43] <IchGucksLive> on open day run around the shop be here bevor the cut is finished
[13:38:52] <IchGucksLive> cool idee
[13:39:21] <IchGucksLive> second level with 24V battery and we are on
[13:39:32] <IchGucksLive> PC and monitor runs on 12V
[13:40:22] <IchGucksLive> spring and damper proved electroics might sell more items
[13:40:52] <IchGucksLive> shock proved for Areas like Italien earthquake
[13:41:54] <IchGucksLive> water pool might be a issue
[13:45:29] <IchGucksLive> so 4days to go untill russia overtakes the US withoudt one single shot firered
[13:48:07] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: this?
http://www.blinkenbyte.org/welder_conversion/welder_conversion.html
[13:48:30] <Jymmm> Oh yeah baby...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W55b4BcCPM4
[13:48:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: looking...
[13:52:29] <CaptHindsight> http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?54955-Converting-90-amp-AC-welder-to-DC
[13:54:11] <nubcake> IchGucksLive: servus
[13:55:03] <Deejay> re
[13:56:59] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[13:57:09] <IchGucksLive> lauter germanen hier
[13:57:25] <nubcake> sowieso
[13:58:01] <Deejay> jap :)
[13:58:12] <IchGucksLive> juup!
[13:59:34] <nubcake> jepp
[14:08:32] <IchGucksLive> Q someone has seen adapters for the BOB with xh-3s to the standard Leadshines or TB6600
[14:08:48] <IchGucksLive> lots of work to make them
[14:11:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Thanks for that, What size caps/diodes did you end up using?
[14:12:17] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm not sure if I have 4700 or 47000 caps =)
[14:12:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I never did it. I just pointed that link to you.
[14:13:00] <CaptHindsight> I own real welders :)
[14:13:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, you most be some kind of special then!
[14:19:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: be sure to get the required safety gear!
http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/8.jpg
[14:20:26] <IchGucksLive> safty is a rumor
[14:20:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Um, where do I get those spiffy sleeves?
[14:21:29] <CaptHindsight> clown schools, costume shop dumpsters etc
[14:22:02] <IchGucksLive> best clown ever have passed away oleg popov
[14:22:19] <CaptHindsight> was he a welder?
[14:23:06] <IchGucksLive> yes he has been a tool mechaniks in his early live
[14:23:40] <sync> https://www.industriehandel.de/media/image/thumbnail/1350614_720x600.jpg I got those Jymmm
[14:23:41] <sync> they are seksi
[14:23:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Worth it?
http://www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-shade-auto-darkening-welding-helmet-46092.html
[14:23:52] <Deejay> last funny clown. nowadays we have only horror-clowns
[14:24:04] <Jymmm> sync: lol
[14:24:09] <sync> yes Jymmm they are worth it
[14:24:41] <IchGucksLive> hi
[14:24:51] <Jymmm> sync: you have one of the HF helmets?
[14:25:07] <sync> they are all the same, but yes
[14:25:08] <sync> it works ok
[14:25:13] <Jymmm> k
[14:25:26] <IchGucksLive> if you welt more then ony hobbying go for a real good and fast one
[14:25:45] <sync> I have an optrel as well but I think I wanna get a lincoln electric one
[14:25:49] <IchGucksLive> otherwise you will be real croggy at workend
[14:26:03] <sync> nah, they are fast enough
[14:26:49] <rene-dev> unless the light in your workshop emits too much UV light, triggers mine all the time. very annoying...
[14:29:22] <Jymmm> rene-dev: Isn't that what eh adjustment knob is for?
[14:29:22] <IchGucksLive> or if some one around you does the same
[14:29:37] <Jymmm> the*
[14:30:05] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: tht can be only the darken factor
[14:30:13] <IchGucksLive> so DIN9-13
[14:30:28] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: ah
[14:30:29] <IchGucksLive> not te value that triggers
[14:30:32] <rene-dev> Jymmm yes, but there is one light which is really bad.. I guess I just have to replace it
[14:30:40] <Jymmm> rene-dev: gotcha
[14:30:48] <rene-dev> the 50hz flickering does not help
[14:31:36] <rene-dev> its an old Mercury vapor lamp
[14:33:15] <sync> you could fix that, it is super annoying
[14:34:27] <rene-dev> I should go for leds
[14:39:51] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[15:04:31] <FloppyDisk525> Mmmm, left-over and kid-discarded Halloween candy...
[15:21:34] <CaptHindsight> save it for next year :)
[15:21:41] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk525: ...from 12 years ago
[15:22:20] <FloppyDisk525> Actually, I had a last year's twix and on Monday and it was not good... I did 'power' through it and finish it:-)
[15:22:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: bummer, only 3900uF@400v caps
[15:23:02] <Jymmm> eh, no biggy
[15:34:25] <FinboySlick> Things are really bad in the world when people risk twix poisoning to survive.
[16:59:48] <andypugh> Hmph! 2130 on a Friday night I get a plea for help from the students “the valve rocker bracket (cast iron) on our 1902 car is broken, and we need to drive it to Brighton on Sunday. Oh, and we have no gas for the MIG welder.”
[17:00:13] <andypugh> And college safety made them get rid of the Oxy-Acetylene kit.
[17:00:22] <andypugh> Not going to be easy.
[17:01:25] <CaptHindsight> funfun, are Mig's safer than Oxy-Acetylene?
[17:03:06] <XXCoder> andypugh: radator weld putty
[17:03:25] <XXCoder> probably good enough to get to wherever
[17:03:53] <andypugh> 80 miles to Brighton?
[17:04:10] <andypugh> It’s the valve rocker bracket.
[17:04:34] <XXCoder> ah was thinking cracked cover
[17:04:49] <XXCoder> yeah im blind
[17:04:53] <CaptHindsight> Oxy-Acetylene welding safety class lesson #1: Remove all Oxy-Acetylene equipment from the school.
[17:05:19] <CaptHindsight> class dismissed
[17:05:32] <andypugh> Did you see thos “Tornado Safety” poster?
http://www.xkcd.com/1754/
[17:07:21] <lowridah> for cast iron wouldn't you get it up to temp then gmaw it
[17:07:49] <lowridah> guess not, i've never welded cast iron
[17:07:59] <andypugh> Yes, if it wasn’t too late to buy any cast-iron welding elsctrodes.
[17:08:21] <andypugh> Because it’s Friday Night...
[17:09:10] <XXCoder> heard trying to weld castiron can be nasty
[17:09:10] <andypugh> Could have had them for pick-up tomorrow in a number of places with about 5 hous more warning.
[17:09:15] <XXCoder> expecially if old car part
[17:09:21] <andypugh> Yeah, it’s fefinitely not trivial
[17:13:30] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: I have some rods that weld cast iron real well, just need to clean it a bit first
[17:41:09] <Deejay> gn8
[17:43:44] <Tom_L> JT-Shop do you bake the cast first? (preheat)
[17:44:07] <Tom_L> some local shops put sandbags around the piece in an oven first
[17:45:30] <JT-Shop> depends on the part
[17:46:22] <JT-Shop> the rods are weird they kinda glob onto the part but hold like crazy
[17:48:27] <andypugh> Can you get some to me for tomorrow morning?
[17:48:59] <JT-Shop> I can email you some today
[17:50:26] <Tom_L> jb weld it =)
[17:50:56] <JT-Shop> andypugh: this is the rod I use
http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/en/Products/Alloys/Welding/Maintenance-and-Repair/65-Nickel-Iron-Electrodes.aspx
[17:52:43] <andypugh> Looks like they are not sold in the UK, even if the place selling them was to be open tomorrow.
[17:53:01] <JT-Shop> maybe you can find something similar
[17:55:09] <Tom_L> http://www.r-techwelding.co.uk/welding-equipment/arc-stick-welding-electrodes/hard-face-cast-iron-cooper-and-aluminium-r-tech-welding/nickel-iron-arc-welding-electrodes/
[17:58:40] <Tom_L> oh.. it didn't break at a convenient time
[17:58:56] <Tom_L> was murphy driving?
[17:59:00] <andypugh> Tom_L: Getting rods is no problem. Getting rods tomorrow morning is
[18:02:06] <JT-Shop> rod shops closed on weekends over there?
[18:07:11] <JT-Shop> your goodnight song
https://www.google.com/search?q=cass+elliot+dream+a+little+dream+of+me&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLVT9c3NEwyN7M0zjUpUOIBcQtNs0zyKoyztbSyk630c0uLM5P1i1KT84tSMvPS45NzSotLUous8ksyUosUylKLijPz84oBdf8pdEsAAAA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi64ZSplZDQAhUBjCwKHdb_AQkQri4INjAF
[18:07:18] <JT-Shop> stupid google
[18:07:40] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZfKcYlefE
[18:09:29] <Tom_L> heh
[18:45:12] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: whats up
[18:46:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: neighbor had one of those HF welders I got to play with for a bit.
[18:49:56] <nubcake> night
[19:15:03] <witnit> Dear great uploaders of bit files I must mesaflash a7i80HD-16 the layout will be this 7i80, slot 1;7i33, slot 2; empty, slot 3: 7i37.. My assumptions would be something like, 7i80hd_16_svst4_8.bit but all I need on the slots 2/3 is JustIO. Am I on the right track?
[19:17:01] <Tom_L> take a look at it's source file and see if that's what you need
[19:21:25] <witnit> Im not sure which "it" you are referring to.
[19:22:17] <Tom_L> the 7i80hd_16_svst4_8.vhd
[19:39:43] <witnit> Tom_L: I didnt find that file, I found some that look similar but i havent got a clue as to what they mean when I read them they saythings like "use work.IDROMConst.all;
[19:39:43] <witnit> package PIN_SVST4_4_48 is
[19:39:43] <witnit> constant ModuleID : ModuleIDType :=( " am I not looking in the correct place? downloaded the 7i80.zip from mesa. Is there possibly a "bit file" that works with a 7i33 and the rest are just IO? Im thinking like pin_sv4_THE REST ARE JUST IO.BIT because im not using steppers or anything else but IO.
[19:42:42] <Tom_L> you'd have to ask pcw
[19:43:10] <Tom_L> the source should be in the zip with the bitfiles
[19:43:45] <witnit> yeah, I extracted that file too, but it seems to not include what I was expecting
[19:44:59] <witnit> I assumed the 7i80 would be the same as the 7i90 which worked for me out of the box, but when I looked at mesaflash --readhmid the layout was different than the 7i90
[19:45:21] <Tom_L> i'm not familiar with that card or i'd look
[19:45:46] <witnit> no worries thanks for the insight into source files though, I never even looked at them before
[19:46:20] <Tom_L> the gpio will be obvious in it
[19:47:02] <witnit> well its obviously wrong, but finding the right one doesnt appear so obvious, how do I determine the name of the bitfile preloaded onto a 7i90?
[19:47:34] <Tom_L> ask pcw =)
[19:47:42] <Tom_L> i'm not sure
[19:49:01] <witnit> archivist how do I get to the rest of this, Its all google lets me find "pcw_home do you know which .vhd is the default on the 7I90? it looks like a servo bit file to me.. 2015-01-11 15:37:22 ... so probably svst4_8. 2015-01-11 15:44: ..."
[19:49:55] <witnit> I should ask pcw afterall huh? :) I feel like I been down this road before but there was no servo card, I just used IO in the past, now I need both, im bad atthis ahaha
[19:50:49] <Tom_L> did you unzip the zips inside the zip?
[19:51:07] <Tom_L> 7i90/configs/hostmot2/source/hostmot2.zip
[19:51:08] <witnit> I unzipceptioned it i thinks
[19:51:14] <witnit> ya
[19:51:20] <Tom_L> that should have the source
[19:51:36] <witnit> but I got 7i80, should I go to the 7i90.zip for the 7i80 card I need to flash?
[19:57:35] <pcw_mesa> if you want to brick your card, thats an option
[19:58:12] <pcw_mesa> (you should never use a bitfile from a different FPGA card)
[20:00:44] <pcw_mesa> the 7I80 SVST4_8 and 7I90 SVST4_8 do have the same pinout (they share the same source file)
[20:01:09] <witnit> well yeah but is the one I need?
[20:05:17] <witnit> okay the issue is this, im using a 7i33 in the first slot and "JUSTIO" for the rest, yet these appear to set up stepper options. im replacing a 7i90 which worked out of the box with this setup, so i need a bitfile which is equivilent to the bitfile which is default loaded to 7i90 for the 7i80. my assumption was svst4_8. but if you know what bit file I need off the top of your head I would just use it.
[20:09:46] <witnit> pcw_mesa: for what its worth I was never planning on flashing a 7i90 bitfile to a 7i80 card. I just would like to know which particular bit file I needed, I dont think Tom_L was implying that is what I needed to do either.
[20:09:59] <pcw_mesa> they are the same config, you just disable the stepgens if you dont want then
[20:12:07] <witnit> well that seems to clear up all my questions thank you.
[20:12:19] <XXCoder> interesting
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1677563729/the-spontaneous-pop-up-display-spud?ref=kz18md
[20:38:07] <Jymmm> XXCoder: low res 1280 x 720
[20:38:20] <XXCoder> yeah not surpised
[20:38:32] <XXCoder> portability seem to be important in this case
[23:23:37] <dioz> what would be a supplemental skill for sheet metal workers?
[23:25:35] <SpeedEvil> welding
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