#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-10-21

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[00:27:23] <mikeh> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gatabi/alingg-a-precision-alignment-tool-for-3d-printers
[00:58:40] <CaptHindsight> kind of silly for printers that flex while operating and require constant realignment
[00:59:39] <CaptHindsight> silk purses still don't come from sow's ears
[01:21:26] <d42> i think i'll stick with a piece of paper :^)
[01:41:40] <pink_vampire> d42: what do you mean??
[01:43:02] <d42> you know, for calibrating my high quality fdm printer :^)
[02:18:15] <pink_vampire> ultrasonic is not very good it can drift
[02:18:38] <pink_vampire> i also have a 3d printer
[02:21:59] <pink_vampire> d42
[02:41:57] <Deejay> moin
[04:23:44] <bnz> evening all.. i have to rebuild my install of linuxcnc on my mill as the CF card died.. i got me a 120gb SSD and its like a new machine.. except i can't get the gig keys for the repo to work the gig key server just times out..
[04:25:05] <bnz> all the links i find say its because I'm behind a firewall. as far as i know i am not. i even tried to force it to use port 80 as it can browse so that must be open
[04:29:37] <bnz> agh i can do naughty and just install the unauthenticated packages from the repo still..
[04:50:22] <zhivko> Hi guys...
[04:50:23] <zhivko> In a custom icomp - how do I reference instance number in EXTRA_INST_SETUP function ?
[04:53:37] <zhivko> Ah sorry - it is documented ... I found documentation in https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/src/hal/icomp-example/instcomp.asciidoc
[04:56:40] <bnz> ahh pinging the site key server at the same time has added the gpg keyring :)
[04:56:47] <bnz> maybe now i can install the kernel.
[05:07:21] <bnz> hey can anyone help me , i am trying to install linuxcnc on a fresh install of precise following these instructions http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html i get to the step where they say to reboot and check the kernel version. where it reports i am running the generic version of the kernel not the rtai version i need for realtime hardware control. i have enable the grub menu to see if there was an option to sele
[05:07:22] <bnz> ct the rtai kernel but its not in the list, update-grub finds the new kernel but it still won't boot it..
[05:14:29] <jthornton> morning
[05:15:24] <bnz> mornin
[05:16:22] <bnz> dang kernel.. the only one i like is sanders…
[05:16:35] <bnz> i gets to eats… hmmmm
[05:17:20] <jthornton> I like clink
[05:19:18] <bnz> hehehehe hooogan….!!!!
[05:29:16] <miss0r> I just got an awsome deal! :) I bought: a 6 peice mitotyo mic set(6 peices) 0-150mm | Holzmann ajustable bore head | A 14.5-30 mm MK3 drill set | dial caliber | milling mounting set(the one with the stepped blocks'n stuff) | deadblow hammer 700gr | a 4-jaw for my lathe. and I got it all for ~$1000
[05:29:28] <miss0r> all of it was new, mind you :)
[05:29:47] <miss0r> also a few odd peices of indexable lathe tools
[05:32:40] <jthornton> nice
[05:33:21] <miss0r> Can't wait to get it delievered, to find out how I was cheated/fooled :)
[05:40:26] <jthornton> where did you order it from?
[05:41:57] <miss0r> A place called globaltools.dk - I've ordered stuff there in the past that was just great. but this price is telling me diffrently. I will just have to wait and see
[05:43:53] <jthornton> they sure have funny names
[05:44:42] <miss0r> Brands you mean?
[05:51:40] <XXCoder> acciently printed a antigravoty object
[05:51:49] <XXCoder> it took my printer up with it, its on ceiling :(
[05:52:02] <miss0r> :D
[05:52:08] <miss0r> picture or it didn't happen ;P
[05:52:22] <XXCoder> it messes with picture for some reason
[05:53:07] <XXCoder> https://65.media.tumblr.com/2468b6722fcfed9324e6a5df8151d59e/tumblr_o8vp6phUQM1rdj7j4o1_500.jpg
[05:53:13] <XXCoder> you can see printer to side of it
[05:53:35] <miss0r> good stuff :)
[05:53:52] <XXCoder> heh
[05:54:00] <XXCoder> wish it would happen lol
[05:54:06] <XXCoder> I'd be an billionaire
[05:55:02] <miss0r> not if the CIA finds out before you go public ;)
[05:55:29] <XXCoder> just setup a heartbeat system
[05:55:40] <jthornton> what temps do you print pla?
[05:55:44] <XXCoder> if I dont log in each 24 hours it uploads to various website heh
[05:55:50] <XXCoder> jthornton: usually 200c
[05:56:01] <jthornton> all layers?
[05:56:25] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/print-fans-01.jpg
[05:56:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:56:39] <XXCoder> I dont mess with first layer
[05:56:42] <XXCoder> temps
[05:56:50] <XXCoder> yours?
[05:57:17] <jthornton> yea
[05:57:45] <XXCoder> clip at ends didnt think of that :P in my case only can do one end that way as other one is too long
[05:57:49] <jthornton> added the glass and two cooling fans but they don't do much and sound like an old rusty truck going down a gravel road
[05:58:00] <jthornton> I cut the glass off
[05:58:09] <XXCoder> wheres you source it?
[05:58:17] <jthornton> I have two 40mm fans on the way
[05:58:23] <jthornton> source what?
[05:58:28] <XXCoder> glass
[05:58:55] <jthornton> picture frame $2
[05:59:03] <XXCoder> nice lol
[05:59:08] <XXCoder> im not sure how to cut mine
[06:01:02] <jthornton> I used my glass cutter
[06:01:20] <jthornton> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwicp6SG2evPAhUGKywKHZH0CCgQtwIIrwEwBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjrUCRBIvMBo&usg=AFQjCNGk2Dhb7M4nKeQCK8MK3lunV0ttgQ&sig2=HDLRDOLPWve9-QuGS9USHQ
[06:01:31] <jthornton> stupid google link
[06:01:38] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrUCRBIvMBo
[06:02:00] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIWfvgDJ3JE
[06:02:04] <jthornton> better one
[06:02:45] <XXCoder> thanks
[06:03:49] <jthornton> my wheel is dull
[06:05:22] <jthornton> I need to make some ducts for the fans but I don't want them to get in the way of cleaning the nozzle
[06:05:56] <XXCoder> how is side fans attached
[06:06:08] <XXCoder> and is those fans PWN controllable? mine seems not
[06:06:36] <jthornton> a little angle piece connects them to the 4mm fan
[06:07:10] <XXCoder> you need to add fancy covers heh
[06:07:12] <jthornton> the 40mm fan is plugged into 12v the side fans plug into pin 9 which is between the heated bed and hot end
[06:07:23] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1841218
[06:07:28] <XXCoder> something like that?
[06:07:33] <jthornton> the fans don't come on for the first few layers
[06:07:36] <zhivko> Why I cannot use #include <string> in icomp ?
[06:08:17] <jthornton> yea something like that
[06:11:56] <zhivko> I want to split my custom parameters by "=" separator in: loadrt udp count=1 ip=192.168.1.115 port=1234
[06:11:57] <jthornton> is the library your wanting to include installed?
[06:12:55] <zhivko> Isnt <string> standard lib?
[06:13:40] <zhivko> sorry maybe I'm not using right terminology isnt it "basic" lib like stdio ?
[06:14:26] <jthornton> in python, C, or C++ are we talking
[06:14:35] <zhivko> maybe I need: #include "string.h" ?
[06:15:08] <zhivko> oh yes ... better now..
[06:16:15] <XXCoder> jthornton: based on question I assume C. some people just dont answer questions that clear up question heh
[06:16:49] <jthornton> yea I know
[06:17:30] <XXCoder> I wonder how thin I can make quadcoper body and still have it rigid by thin ribs
[06:18:45] <jthornton> what does Tip Designer do?
[06:19:27] <XXCoder> pay designer
[06:19:32] <XXCoder> whatever you like
[06:20:48] <jthornton> ah
[06:21:11] <jthornton> I kinda thought thats what it was
[06:21:28] <XXCoder> I had setup my account in case someone want donate $1 million for my 90 degree angle model lol
[06:21:39] <jthornton> lol
[06:22:30] <XXCoder> sadly that ones im most proud of, and least popular lol (ingoring the customized object)(
[07:01:39] <jthornton> log
[07:01:40] <log> jthornton: Log stored at http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2016-10-21.html
[07:01:48] <jthornton> well that part works
[07:02:06] <XXCoder> lol
[07:05:10] <jthornton> trying to make the logger a bit better
[07:06:19] <XXCoder> better stronger and smarter
[07:06:30] <jthornton> better sort and back buttons
[07:06:56] <XXCoder> lol ok
[07:10:38] <jthornton> he's back lol
[07:11:08] <XXCoder> yay heh
[07:11:49] <XXCoder> it sure didnt last long
[07:12:47] <jthornton> hmm got an error
[07:13:27] <jthornton> wonder if he is listening
[07:17:06] <jthornton> hmmm
[07:19:04] <jthornton> yea, navigation makes sense now
[07:19:38] <jthornton> when you press the back button from a days log you actually go back to the channel index!
[07:20:03] <jthornton> now to fix the sort order so newest is on top
[07:27:29] <jthornton> jtlog
[07:27:30] <jtlog> jthornton: Log stored at http://gnipsel.com/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-10-21.html
[07:28:21] <jthornton> Tom_L: click on the link and test the back buttons for function. I think they work better that way
[07:29:00] <zhivko> ugh.... still getting:
[07:29:00] <zhivko> ./components/udp.icomp:38:3: error: unknown type name ‘string’
[07:29:26] <zhivko> I am using now: #include "string.h" in my custom icomp...
[07:29:49] <XXCoder> try String
[07:30:30] <jthornton> what is icomp?
[07:34:55] <XXCoder> jthornton: guy has everyone on ignore and just blogging in here?
[07:35:06] <jthornton> must be
[07:35:29] <XXCoder> heh sequel to that guy who used to come in here babble about cnc machine and leave
[07:35:32] <zhivko> actually comp
[07:35:43] <XXCoder> wow finally a replky
[07:36:01] <zhivko> be gentle guys... sorry had a lunch in between
[07:36:02] <jthornton> a user space component?
[07:36:06] <zhivko> yes
[07:36:30] <zhivko> I am try to do split string and need vector ...
[07:36:34] <jthornton> in C or Python?
[07:36:41] <zhivko> in C
[07:36:42] <XXCoder> or c++?
[07:37:03] <XXCoder> forgot if C has split functuon library
[07:37:23] <zhivko> need to check what instcomp do...
[07:37:25] * jthornton wonders why there is no Creating Usersapce C++ Components chapter
[07:38:46] <bnz> i think i blew up my DC motor driver board.. going to have to take it out and test it manually on the bench before i replace it.. i was driving it with the wrong driver and opened both channels of the bridge.. it just won't respond to my commnads.....
[07:38:51] <jthornton> HEADERFILE - The name of a header file, either in double-quotes (include "myfile.h";) or in angle brackets (include <systemfile.h>;). The header file will be included (using C’s #include) at the top of the file, before pin and parameter declarations.
[07:39:11] <bnz> i will get me some switches and see whats goin on
[07:39:51] <zhivko> instcomp info from: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/src/hal/icomp-example/instcomp.asciidoc ... dont shoot me because of machinekit again
[07:40:11] <jthornton> can't help with machinekit
[07:40:14] <zhivko> I guess it is C and not c++
[07:40:23] <zhivko> so does C have split function ?
[07:40:30] <zhivko> so does C have split string function ?
[07:40:31] <jthornton> only Michael knows
[07:40:43] <zhivko> :( oh....
[07:41:13] <jthornton> dunno much about C except what I google
[07:41:31] <XXCoder> probably not
[07:41:44] <XXCoder> been too long since I last seriously programmed
[07:41:49] <zhivko> how can I use vector in C ?
[07:42:45] <zhivko> ok... I will forgot string ang go for: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9210528/split-string-with-delimiters-in-c
[07:49:06] <XXCoder> jthornton: good news
[07:49:15] <XXCoder> you are saved!
[07:49:16] <jthornton> what's that?
[07:49:18] <XXCoder> kidding heh
[07:49:32] <XXCoder> anyway I finally cracked open the bad nema17
[07:49:39] <XXCoder> wiring and stuff looks good
[07:49:44] <XXCoder> magnet is very strong
[07:49:51] <jthornton> cool
[07:49:54] <XXCoder> so its just external wires thats messed up
[07:50:06] <XXCoder> which means I can fix it :D
[07:50:35] <jthornton> sweet, I love it when something can be fixed
[07:51:10] <XXCoder> mihght try multi extruder setup :)
[07:51:28] <XXCoder> (one hbotbox type, I dont wanna futz around with dual hotends)
[07:53:15] <jthornton> have a Y from two extruders?
[07:53:29] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:53:47] <zhivko> ok compiled comp udp.comp - now to test :)
[07:54:29] <Tom_L> jthornton, each index file is unique
[07:54:40] <Tom_L> one for each channel
[07:54:54] <Tom_L> with the channel header etc
[07:55:50] <jthornton> yes, I'm just making the back button go up one level from where your at so if your reading the linuxcnc day log and press back you go to the linuxcnc index
[07:56:31] <jthornton> hmm lets see if this is right
[07:57:09] <Tom_L> the _old files are not part of it currently either. i hand edit those when i move them
[07:57:14] <Tom_L> gotta go..
[07:57:18] <jthornton> ok
[08:02:58] <jthornton> hmmm
[08:03:30] <jthornton> finally got the back button right
[08:07:08] <jthornton> hmmm
[08:08:07] <zhivko> @rene-dev: are you here?
[08:21:29] <zhivko> jthornton: It seems I need to create udp server for each comp
[08:21:39] <zhivko> jthornton: udp is one way train :)
[08:23:26] <zhivko> maybe httprequest is more clean? you send request and get response back in one transaction?
[08:25:55] <zhivko> udp requires to have udp server for each component... but probably this aproach is more network effective
[08:27:04] <malcom2073> udp is good if you don't care if the reciever actally recieved the message.
[08:28:14] <zhivko> malcolm: OK but for udp server I need to have loop running somewhere? that means I need to create thread in EXTRA_INST_SETUP() of component ?
[08:30:14] <zhivko> malcom: my presnt exaample uses: while (1) { ... } ... I need separated thread to run this... so this means each comp will have extra thread running and updating comp variable... than func wil only return that variable... It should run pretty fast
[08:39:05] <zhivko> can I use #include <thread> in comp in C?
[08:40:38] <malcom2073> zhivko: You need a loop running somewhere doing something for a program to not immediatly exit, yes.
[08:40:38] <malcom2073> :-P
[08:41:24] <malcom2073> No clue what extra inst setup is, but if you need more than one server you can service them all in a single loop, or use multiple threads if they need to do concurrent processing
[08:46:22] <jthornton> testing
[08:49:11] <jthornton> once more
[09:01:51] <zhivko> But C doesn have Thread.h ???? aaaaa
[09:02:15] <zhivko> But C doesn have Thread.h ???? How can I then acomplish this in C ?
[09:02:55] <malcom2073> with pthreads?
[09:03:32] <malcom2073> Good intro to multithreading in c: http://softpixel.com/~cwright/programming/threads/threads.c.php
[09:05:04] <archivist> zhivko, you know rs232 that your sensor outputs can be read on the pc
[09:08:31] <nubcake> hi
[09:11:25] <nubcake> ,
[09:11:38] <nubcake> woops.. smartphone vs. keyboard..
[09:27:07] <MacGalempsy> morning
[09:28:30] <JT-Shop> morning
[09:45:59] <MacGalempsy> anything good going on JT?
[09:46:38] * MacGalempsy is waiting for coffee...
[09:46:58] <zhivko> machinekit@beaglebone:~$ instcomp --install ./components/udp.icomp
[09:46:59] <zhivko> Compiling realtime udp.c
[09:46:59] <zhivko> ./components/udp.icomp:35:21: fatal error: threads.h: No such file or directory
[09:46:59] <zhivko> compilation terminated.
[09:46:59] <zhivko> archivist: I have one serial on BBB and not on PC... Would like to leave it - and use ethernet
[09:47:53] <sync> zhivko: just use two usb serials
[10:19:41] <MacGalempsy> hi malcolm2073
[10:19:58] <malcom2073> Hi
[10:20:47] <MacGalempsy> winding down the week?
[10:21:37] <malcom2073> Yep
[12:09:13] <CaptHindsight> in case anyone needs a spare 13,000HP drive http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-Bradley-Rockwell-Powerflex-7000-13-000-HP-VSD-/191982932840
[12:11:54] <gregcnc> i don't know, 87.5% feedback would go well with the windtunnel i'm building in the bathroom
[12:33:41] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:49:23] <IchGucksLive> so a real cool workweek is ending
[12:49:41] <IchGucksLive> i got 8 out of 12 mashines to work this week
[12:50:14] <CaptHindsight> all the same machines?
[12:50:20] <IchGucksLive> ran into trouble as TR12x3 lathe work failed and i got 0.2mm offset at the end taps
[12:50:34] <CaptHindsight> setting up a production line?
[12:50:37] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: near
[12:51:33] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: no here in Germany classrooms have 24students and we fit them on 12 mashines size 300x300 with 175mm workrom
[12:51:51] <IchGucksLive> at 200watt all in one
[12:52:51] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:52:56] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[12:58:50] <nubcake> hi
[13:00:07] <IchGucksLive> servus
[13:00:31] <nubcake> alles klar bei dir?
[13:01:41] <IchGucksLive> ja
[13:43:21] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:13:56] <pink_vampire> any life?
[14:14:17] <gregcnc> life is what you make of it
[14:16:57] <nubcake> life is love, life is life?
[14:17:03] <nubcake> ^^
[14:20:14] <Deejay> life is life *sing*
[14:21:21] <Magnifikus> the linear delta max velocity
[14:21:47] <Magnifikus> per axis is broken, its only limiting the virtual axis not the real one
[14:37:44] <Nick-Shop> <JT_Shop>Spindle scale question - 10/3000 rpm -goes way too fast - divide by 60 for rps?
[14:38:42] <JT-Shop> iirc it is rps not rpm
[14:39:03] <JT-Shop> and yes 3000/60=rps
[14:39:18] <JT-Shop> gee I could answer a question
[14:40:13] <Nick-Shop> thanks got more will back with brake questions
[14:47:43] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, any luck?
[14:48:45] <DGMurdock> meshcam vs vcarve pro what is recommended of the two
[14:49:09] <Nick-Shop> still way fast in manual control - i click on the arrow dot sends it off like 2-300 rpm
[14:49:10] <Tom_L> for what?
[14:50:14] <DGMurdock> Tom_L: was that directed at me
[14:50:28] <Tom_L> yup
[14:51:12] <DGMurdock> For a cnc router
[14:52:16] <Tom_L> probably depends what you plan to do with it
[14:53:10] <DGMurdock> Cut support for light box
[14:54:59] <DGMurdock> ]hello
[15:04:48] <pink_vampire> my machine look soo funny right now
[15:07:57] <Nick-Shop> <JT-Shop>still way fast in manual control - i click on the arrow dot sends it off 725 rpm according to the tach
[15:09:16] <pink_vampire> why I'm receiving very strong 20khz signals all over the g320x
[15:12:52] <nubcake> n8 everyone
[15:13:13] <malcom2073> nate to you too!
[15:16:56] <pink_vampire> it's not even 4pm.
[15:20:04] <malcom2073> he's in germany
[15:20:07] <malcom2073> so it's getting late there I guess
[15:24:07] <pink_vampire> how much it's cost to bring an rf specialist to fix the rf issues with the machine
[15:24:27] <zhivko> Question regarding custom compoenent in C - is there a function that I need to implement to do cleanup ?
[15:25:10] <zhivko> rf issues? is this emf disturbances?
[15:25:41] <malcom2073> custom component? component of what?
[15:26:26] <zhivko> linuxcnc comp
[15:26:47] <zhivko> loartthat you load from hal with
[15:26:58] <zhivko> that you load from hal with loart ...
[15:27:01] <malcom2073> in the EXTRA_CLEANUP I believe
[15:27:07] <zhivko> that you load from hal with loadrt ...
[15:28:33] <zhivko> do I need something like "option extra_cleanup yes;" ?
[15:28:55] <pink_vampire> I'm also a ham radio, and the machine just garbage all over the spectrum
[15:29:14] <malcom2073> Yes, it defaults to no, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
[15:30:00] <pink_vampire> the normal noise level on the radio is 2 (0-10 scale) and with the machine on it jump close to 9
[15:30:35] <malcom2073> steppers are nasty noisy
[15:30:48] <pink_vampire> this is servo
[15:30:49] <pink_vampire> dc
[15:30:55] <pink_vampire> with g320x
[15:31:00] <malcom2073> Oh, well dunno anything about that
[15:38:20] <pink_vampire> why youtube is full with junk like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszYquysj4A
[15:39:05] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqSmHwvjJtM
[15:40:03] <pink_vampire> WTF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4UdozjyLlA
[15:40:52] <pink_vampire> WTF2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQe3B_59kgw
[15:41:55] <pink_vampire> people become so weird
[15:44:53] <malcom2073> No
[15:45:01] <malcom2073> The internet just introduced you to them, they were always this weird.
[15:47:12] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to find rf shielding specialist in ny, but all I'm getting is the most bizarre looking websites
[15:47:54] <malcom2073> rf is black magic
[15:48:06] <malcom2073> So wizards in that magic are often.... odd...
[15:48:08] <pink_vampire> http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/protect-your-house-emf-pollution/
[15:48:34] <pink_vampire> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/78627.html?cmp=googleproducts&kw=78627&gclid=CO7R-qPc7M8CFURbhgod5JYKtg
[15:49:30] <malcom2073> Well... if you look in the nuthouse, you'll find some nuts.
[15:49:52] <malcom2073> Btw: a buddy of mine typically charges between 2-5k for a RF site survey
[15:50:36] <malcom2073> For very simple single location stuff
[15:50:41] <pink_vampire> and he just test or he also fix the problem
[15:50:46] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: luck on?
[15:50:53] <malcom2073> That's for a test
[15:50:55] <malcom2073> and report
[15:51:04] <malcom2073> typically fixing is an hourly rate heh
[15:51:23] <malcom2073> You're a hamhead, go to the local ham club and get them to help
[15:53:11] <pink_vampire> i'm so lost
[15:53:46] <malcom2073> Welcome to RF?
[16:23:49] <JT-i3> XXCoder:
[16:43:17] <gregcnc> I know people who believe this stuff, simply because they don't understand it. There was that ericsson engineer that moved out to the mountains to escape rf
[16:43:21] <gregcnc> https://www.amazon.com/Underwear-Briefs-Anti-Radiation-Protect-8900614S/dp/B007A6YW8S
[16:43:39] <JT-Shop> lol
[16:49:13] <Deejay> gn8
[17:02:07] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: RF isn't anywhere as near magic as micro and mmwave :)
[17:03:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: protects nuts
[17:05:32] <CaptHindsight> how about the electrical fields generated withing the body, now they are not going to get out
[17:06:49] <MacGalempsy_> well, the refractory cement tests are progressing well.
[17:07:06] <CaptHindsight> have you decided on a mix?
[17:07:45] <XXCoder> hey JT-Shop whats up
[17:07:57] <MacGalempsy_> no. after worrying the mixes would crumble before the silica melted, I ordered some calcium aluminate cement to try out
[17:08:18] <MacGalempsy_> it was like $30 for 10lbs, so it will be used sparingly
[17:08:22] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: that's why you need this to protect the whole house https://www.energeticnutrition.com/aulterra/complete-home-emf-protection-package.html
[17:09:07] <MacGalempsy_> Batch one is in the oven at the moment, im going to try to raise is 200 deg per hour
[17:09:41] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: can you export your slic3r config bundle and send them to me
[17:10:21] <XXCoder> sure a sec. ignore 100mm/s ones, its just test that failed. PETG is workable but probably worse than ypours.
[17:10:43] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Oh! Of course, it’s obvious “ How does this work? All particles coexist as waves and all waves coexist as particles. The subatomic particles that make up toxic substances also exist in waveform. Since energy cannot be created or destroyed, but rather change form—The Neutralizer changes the form of harmful EMF particles, rendering them harmless to human DNA."
[17:10:45] <XXCoder> how do I do that?
[17:10:46] <CaptHindsight> LOL "the product could never be practical if it relied on either blocking or absorbing radiation. Instead, it had to neutralize it."
[17:11:05] <JT-Shop> in the file menu there is a selection for that
[17:11:09] <CaptHindsight> " The Aulterra Neutralizer retunes the EMF frequencies of electronic devices like cell phones, computers, and other electronics to transmute the energy so it no longer causes harm to the body's DNA. "
[17:11:38] <gregcnc> this one costs more and is more effective if you buy more so it must be better http://quwave.com/defender.html
[17:11:47] <CaptHindsight> damn, why did I think of this crap earlier?
[17:11:54] <MacGalempsy_> once the oven maxes out, I will allow them to cool to completion. Batch 2 had 5 test mixes, 3 of them had 2 parts water to the mix. batch 2 has been drying since tuesday and is still moist. right now they are sitting on the heated bed at 100deg f and an overhead light. hoping they will cure a little faster, so I can pull the cardboard off the sides
[17:12:04] <CaptHindsight> did/didn't
[17:13:03] <CaptHindsight> so it's a "Transmuter"
[17:13:18] <MacGalempsy_> secar 71 is the cement and its good up to 2300F
[17:13:18] <gregcnc> power of suggestion is incredible
[17:13:39] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: http://dpaste.com/0XBSFFT
[17:14:29] <XXCoder> sorry had to clean up a little. "simple mode" is one you want in most cases. there is also "petg" if you are curious, though it isnt working too well.
[17:15:06] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: did you see all the waves that it protects against?
[17:15:49] <XXCoder> LOL that wave website
[17:15:58] <JT-Shop> yea I just wanted to see your settings
[17:16:14] <andypugh> Apparently scientists deny the existence of scalar waves.
[17:16:36] <CaptHindsight> Nullifies Psychic attacks and dream intrusion
[17:16:45] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl5SMOhjz9s I suppose leaving a magnetic indicator base on a chuck should be a wakeup
[17:16:51] <andypugh> Actually, we don’t. Gravity is a Scalar Field, and there was a big fuss made this year about finally finding gravity waves.
[17:16:58] <CaptHindsight> LOL, holy shit, that what has been happening to me!!
[17:17:31] <jdh> nullifies female contact
[17:17:48] <XXCoder> I dont know existance of scalar waves but crackpot paraoid product yeah what a sdumb stuff
[17:17:51] <CaptHindsight> and most sane humans
[17:18:57] <CaptHindsight> what is that picture supposed to represent? It puts a power button on your head?
[17:19:21] <gregcnc> .gov switching you off when they are done with you
[17:19:39] <andypugh> gregcnc: I suspect that the mag base is holding the camera.
[17:20:40] <gregcnc> ah that's possible the other videos of that machine are a different angle
[17:20:45] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: thanks
[17:21:37] <XXCoder> np let me know if you see something unusual or something heh'
[17:21:58] <CaptHindsight> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vortex-based_math
[17:23:02] <JT-Shop> ok will do
[17:23:20] <CaptHindsight> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Time_Cube
[17:24:26] <XXCoder> lol
[17:25:09] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: eveyrbody knows that days are round not cubes
[17:26:15] <gregcnc> i'm getting a headache already or targeted by HAARP
[17:27:34] <XXCoder> lol
[17:28:45] <MacGalempsy> Titanium quad-max defender bundle is what you need
[17:30:22] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BL085ybgdmy/
[17:31:00] <gregcnc> I don't watch this guy on yt. I fail to see what CADCAM has to do with what he did to rework the jaws
[17:31:45] <gregcnc> I just move the work offset, use a smaller spacer in the vice and use the same jaw prg and part prg
[17:31:58] <gregcnc> no cam needed at all
[17:37:52] <Magnifikus> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?JointAxesBranch << guess that is dead?
[17:41:35] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: but I think that his way uses CAM :)
[17:42:46] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xO6AWFHVps&list=PLrEnWoR732-D67iteOI6DPdJH1opjAuJt&index=7
[17:42:53] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gatabi/alingg-a-precision-alignment-tool-for-3d-printers
[17:43:04] <pink_vampire> the only positive thing in my day so far ^
[17:43:45] <JT-i3> if you don't have any luck you have to make your own... that's my motto
[17:44:57] <pink_vampire> this song make me want to play
[17:46:05] <pink_vampire> JT-i3:
[17:46:30] <Jymmm> pop some tags baby... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes
[17:46:35] <CaptHindsight> "Every time you remove a printed part from the bed, there is a chance to bump it out of alignment."
[17:46:44] <lowridah> lol
[17:46:49] <lowridah> i manhandle my bed to get shit off
[17:46:57] <lowridah> twomanhandle
[17:47:03] <JT-i3> who cares it homes before every print
[17:47:56] <JT-i3> if you don't press the print button it will never start lol
[17:48:36] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: how it's even an option??
[17:48:57] <CaptHindsight> but but but this aligns it!
[17:49:05] <lowridah> it's also a tachometer
[17:49:10] <lowridah> weeooh
[17:49:35] * Jymmm hands CaptHindsight cookie for alignment
[17:49:57] <CaptHindsight> so you can measure how fast your head spins
[17:49:57] <pink_vampire> how the table of the printer can go out of alignment by take the part out???
[17:50:10] <lowridah> the bed can possibly, if it's loose
[17:50:22] <lowridah> i think this thing's more an answer to a problem that doesn't really exist
[17:50:26] <pink_vampire> clamp it down
[17:50:42] <gregcnc> my bed is aligned to the stars fung shui style
[17:50:44] <lowridah> i don't see how on a cnc mill it'd be comparable to say, an actual probe
[17:50:47] <CaptHindsight> the problem was that he wants to make some $
[17:51:16] <lowridah> that's why i have a day joerb
[17:51:39] <Jymmm> lowridah: day job? sucka
[17:52:04] <lowridah> it keeps my kitchen stocked with mills and lasers and printers
[17:52:20] <CaptHindsight> "How to make $ on poopstarter so you can quit your day job"
[17:52:48] <lowridah> my 3d printer was a dickstarter and it taught me most of those people treat it like a steve millar band song
[17:53:00] <Jymmm> lowridah: kitchen?! >hangs head in shame>
[17:53:15] <lowridah> yea kitchen, my place has no garage
[17:53:19] <lowridah> city life
[17:53:26] <Jymmm> lowridah: GIT ER DONE
[17:53:41] <Jymmm> lowridah: rooftop milling
[17:55:14] <gregcnc> is the car in the kitchen too?
[17:55:48] <lowridah> the car is in the driveway
[17:56:36] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BLRMZwhBTn-/
[17:57:53] <CaptHindsight> that's like my place
[17:57:56] <Jymmm> gregcnc++
[18:01:00] <Jymmm> good song... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmrfgj0MZI
[18:02:33] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: This should get ya movin.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLqBSnSaUkE
[18:03:28] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG1V773LVM
[18:05:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FM88uf0oFU
[18:07:00] <hetii> Hey :)
[18:12:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: or maybe this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxJhYpTIrl8
[18:14:17] <mmachines> I don't have any home or limit switches yet
[18:15:05] <mmachines> I tried to load a 2 line ngc file just for testing but it won't run since I'm not homed
[18:15:33] <mmachines> Is it a bad idea to disable homing just for doing some testing? Or should I work on the home switches first/
[18:18:06] <mmachines> I think I'll try the Immediate Homing config settings before I set up homing switches
[18:22:30] <tiwake> make sure the limit switches are in at least, don't want to ruin your new machine accidentally while testing
[18:22:51] <tiwake> ...and make sure they are working correctly
[18:25:36] <mmachines> ok
[18:25:57] <andypugh> gregcnc: https://goo.gl/photos/qBR9gkWyTspemigq5
[18:26:33] <hetii> Q: I created small homemade CNC machine, as a driver I plan to use A3955 and as a controller atmega328p and GRBL project. This A3955 have few modes, full step as well as 1/8, with one I should use for GRBL ?
[18:27:28] <andypugh> hetii: Well, naturally we think you should use linuxNC rather than GRBL ;-)
[18:28:15] <andypugh> But you shouldn’t lack for ste-speed, so you might as well use 1/8 for smoothness.
[18:28:57] <hetii> andypugh: well A3955 have no step/dir input pins so in between I need to add some IC who be able to generate all proper state for all A3955 ICs
[18:34:48] <gregcnc> andypugh few of us can get away with things like that
[18:39:30] <hetii> Hmm I see that most of controller used by linuxcnc use printer port :(
[18:40:22] <jdh> why the :( ?
[18:40:34] <CaptHindsight> or PCI, PCIe, Ethernet
[18:40:54] <CaptHindsight> no USB
[18:42:45] <hetii> jdh: well I can image that for real time application its very important but probably I will try first to use grbl with avr and add ESP8266 to be able to send Gcodes over wifi
[18:43:41] <_methods> you should try hamster
[18:43:48] <SpeedEvil> esp32 may be a much better platform
[18:43:58] <CaptHindsight> Hammsternet :)
[18:44:06] <_methods> hamster is grbl+
[18:44:36] <CaptHindsight> grbl+DD
[18:44:55] <jdh> ok then.
[18:45:41] <hetii> SpeedEvil: well grbl talk with world over uart as far as I see so esp8266 should handle it without issue.
[18:46:37] <hetii> SpeedEvil: I know it should be possible to port Gcode interpreter to ESPxxx but then it will be totally another project :)
[18:46:39] <jdh> what kind of machine
[18:46:54] <CaptHindsight> hetii: let us know how that turns out
[18:48:08] <_methods> when the guinea pig upgrade comes out it's going to be even better
[18:48:45] <jdh> guinea pig is bloatware
[18:49:33] <_methods> hahah
[18:51:55] <hetii> Here is my simple prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaJDVhIC4YQ
[18:52:07] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see the carnage of a large VMC controlled over wifi
[18:52:09] <jdh> and costs more than $12
[18:52:43] <_methods> wifi lockout tagout
[18:53:11] <hetii> not finished yet, but at least one motor run already with my driver for atmega8.
[18:54:04] <jdh> another wheel!
[18:54:50] <CaptHindsight> is the machine somewhere behind that wooden thing?
[18:54:59] <_methods> zlog
[18:55:50] <hetii> CaptHindsight: that wooden thing is the machine :)
[18:55:58] <CaptHindsight> ah
[18:57:03] <CaptHindsight> I'm off to go find hidden messages in the bottom of Scotch bottles
[18:57:27] <hetii> What you want to expect, I create it over weekend from material that I get from local shop that sell wood and other accessories, nothing releated to CNC
[18:58:30] <SpeedEvil> hetii: ah - yeah - I was meaning realtime
[18:58:32] <hetii> but at least it was very cheap, around 35$ for 3 axis
[19:48:13] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: found anything interesting?
[20:10:45] <bnz> so my rebuild is progressing slowly.. I just found a problem with my DC motor driver board, it doesn't like to be PWM'd or a load put on the motor.. as soon as i say to PWM at 50% duty the whole computer shuts off, guessing that i am causing a spike on the power supply.. might need to either add a capacitor to filter the noise and voltage drop or run my motors off yet another supply..
[20:11:48] <bnz> my steppers are run off 24v.. might be better to run my DC motors off that too, just run them at a max of 50% duty as they are 12vdc motors..
[20:12:04] <bnz> keep all the noisy shite on one supply
[20:12:25] <sync> voltage on motors is not important as you don't violate their maximum current
[20:15:16] <bnz> yeah this is true.. but when you expect a large load on the motor i like to keep within the specs on the label.. one of these motors drives a piston that will release my chuck, the spring i am using has about 500kg of tension on it. the piston/actuator will push a arm that has a 5:1 ratio and is rated for 150kg so if my maths are wrong i will be on the edge of my specs
[20:15:40] <bnz> don't want to smoke my motor on the first attempt :)
[20:18:40] <sync> well, if you have a motor driver it will limit the current and you will be fine
[20:21:01] <bnz> yeah it should, buts its a cheap crappy arduino board and i don't trust it, i think the only current protection is what holds the smoke in… i.e. it will stop putting out current only once the smoke is out..
[20:22:33] <Duc> for some reason I really hate cutting with dovetail cutters
[20:22:39] <roycroft> put the arduino in a bag and vacuum seal it
[20:22:44] <roycroft> then the smoke will never come out
[20:22:49] <bnz> i want to add some sort of adjustable current control knob to one of the motors as it is going to control a clamping module and i would like to be able to adjust the clamping force by hand..
[20:22:59] <bnz> hehehe roycroft :)
[20:23:31] <bnz> i am not actually using an arduino its just a dc motor board i got off ebay for $4au
[20:23:55] <bnz> it doesn't even have a heatsink on the SOIC driver chips..
[20:25:19] <bnz> the piston is driven from a bigger L298N driver board. (which i think i have blown half of the bridge out on, one chan only goes one way) that i trust a bit more than this other board that is driving my small clamp.
[20:31:57] <bnz> i have two boards. one is giving me no problems (l298n) the other board makes so much noise on the 12v rail that my power supply cuts out on the pc.. its a L9110 and cost me $1.26au delivered not $4.. so i dont expect much from it but i would like to at least be able to PWM the motors to control the speed. maybe i will add a resistor and a diode to control the current, if i do it right i can limit the tightening power and have full power/cur
[20:31:57] <bnz> rent to open…
[20:34:11] <sync> what would a diode and a resistor do?
[20:35:51] <bnz> the resistor will limit the current going thru the motor.. you then place the diode across the resistor, the diode will allow current to flow freely one way. the diode will allow MAX current to flow when the motor spins in reverse, the resistor would limit the current when its going forward...
[20:37:44] <bnz> this really only suits my CLAMP motor, i want it to be able to hold the motor on for long periods of time, while i machine the part being held.
[20:39:45] <bnz> if the resistor is a variable one thats big enough (can hanlde the current) that would suit my purposes
[20:41:08] <bnz> hmm 24ohms seems to be about right.. looks more like a rheostat than resistor but it should do the job..
[20:45:35] <bnz> they don't seem to be too common at jaycar.. will look into a real supplier later.. and my problem motor controller can't handle 24v supply.. i would have to add a voltage regulator from my 24v rail…. might bin that one and get another L298 board...
[22:24:50] <mikeh> can anyone see a reason why i couldn't use a servo as a spindle motor?
[22:24:54] <mikeh> maybe over heating?
[22:25:04] <mikeh> it would be for my x2 mini mill, nothing huge
[22:25:47] <roycroft> runout? lateral torque burning up the bearings?
[22:27:46] <mikeh> hmmm
[22:27:48] <mikeh> good call
[22:28:19] <XXCoder> maybe not if you use belt and stuff
[22:28:35] <XXCoder> but then probably not as good as actual spindle
[22:29:40] <mikeh> it would be belt driven
[22:30:31] <mikeh> i just want to replace my current spindle with something with a touch more rpm, and i figured something cool like an indexable spindle would be cool to tinker with
[22:32:20] <sync> there is no reason why not
[22:32:28] <sync> and almost all servos are made to drive belts
[22:33:00] <mikeh> cool
[22:33:27] <mikeh> i wonder if i have any belt slippage that would throw everything out of whack...it's just a little tiny v belt driving it
[22:34:03] <mikeh> i suppose to have any hope of accuracy i might need to move to a timing style belt setup
[22:37:03] <tiwake> XXCoder: poke
[22:37:10] <XXCoder> ow my ear
[22:37:19] <XXCoder> whats up
[22:37:40] <tiwake> XXCoder: what was the name of that car that you said you want... it was an independent company, three wheel dinky thing... cant remember
[22:37:47] <XXCoder> elio
[22:38:46] <tiwake> thanks :3
[22:38:56] <XXCoder> np, whats up
[22:39:21] <tiwake> just sitting here trying to recall things, and failing
[22:40:07] <XXCoder> im thinking about getting a okay used car though
[22:40:13] <XXCoder> my van stalls hard in rain :(
[22:40:26] <XXCoder> worse when it "eats it" when behind car in rain in freeway
[22:40:35] <tiwake> I need to pay off my dad first
[22:40:57] <tiwake> he got a check from me yesterday for $500
[22:41:13] <tiwake> 1,000 down, 2,000 and some change to go
[22:41:23] <XXCoder> nice
[22:43:11] <tiwake> I kinda wanna get one of those cars
[22:43:17] <tiwake> and superchage it... or something
[22:43:19] <tiwake> :D
[22:43:30] <XXCoder> heh
[22:44:28] <tiwake> take it to the dragstrip or something, just to see everyone facepalming
[22:44:43] <XXCoder> I rememebr this vw beetle
[22:44:52] <XXCoder> some outfitted v6 in it. big powerful one.
[22:44:58] <XXCoder> thing is its in front
[22:45:06] <XXCoder> so still has stock engine in it too
[22:45:17] <XXCoder> guy would take it to race using normal stock
[22:45:28] <XXCoder> people laugh and stuff, and he turns it off and switches over
[22:45:37] <tiwake> heh, thats funny
[23:08:10] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: are you here?
[23:08:17] <XXCoder> yeah whats up
[23:34:47] <mike_LCNC> Hi all
[23:34:55] <XXCoder> hey
[23:35:02] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: whats up?
[23:35:40] <mike_LCNC> I got my machine setup running. Servos connected, estop ok
[23:35:56] <mike_LCNC> when powering up I get joint errors,
[23:36:29] <mike_LCNC> I am using 7i77 up and running and encoders move but joints out right away
[23:36:59] <mike_LCNC> even if ferror is at 100
[23:38:33] <mike_LCNC> trying to get to a point where I can tune
[23:38:43] <mike_LCNC> I think its scale, but not sure
[23:39:06] <XXCoder> whats error message?
[23:39:13] <XXCoder> besides joint error
[23:40:59] <mike_LCNC> just joint error
[23:41:38] <XXCoder> hm
[23:41:42] <mike_LCNC> ferror I get some in halscope
[23:41:54] <XXCoder> was you configuring steppers?
[23:42:10] <mike_LCNC> servos with 7i77
[23:42:24] <XXCoder> er servos heh
[23:42:25] <mike_LCNC> I dont know if my scale is correct though