#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-10-19

[00:32:40] <pingufan> Hello, somebody here now?
[00:34:10] <pingufan> Yesterday I created M101 and M102 to turn the vacuum cleaner on/off. Works fine, but it stays turned on when I hit ESC to abort program execution. Where can I add M102 to turn off the vacuum in this case?
[00:35:25] <elmo40> shouldn't it turn off when you hit M30?
[00:35:43] <elmo40> or do you not have an end of program call?
[00:36:08] <pingufan> Did not try that. But Mist coolant is turned off by ESC.
[00:36:53] <elmo40> what command turns that on?
[00:37:13] <pingufan> M101 -- a self written M-Code
[00:37:21] <elmo40> what is given when ESC is pressed? I think it is simply a STOP command, no? not cycle end.
[00:37:45] <pingufan> How can I find that out?
[00:37:56] <elmo40> can't help you there, sorry.
[00:38:28] <elmo40> I take it you are hitting ESC at an end of a cycle so you can see what's going on, then continuing? or you hit ESC at the very end?
[00:39:15] <pingufan> I can darkly remember that there is a place where I can write default init settings. There will be also a "deinit", I guess.
[00:55:49] <pingufan> Where can I add "M102" to be executed when I hit ESC during a milling job?
[01:13:16] <pingufan> Nobody here ?
[02:01:46] <pingufan> Does Ubuntu 8.04 (with EMC 2.5 installed) fully support ISO-8859-15 character set? I have difficulties with files using German Umlauts. In my whole office I use iso-8859-15 to prevent all the troubles caused by 2-byte characters.
[02:30:04] <Deejay> moin
[02:36:33] <pingufan> Moin
[02:40:25] <pingufan> are you familiar with fine-tuning linuxcnc?
[02:42:09] <Deejay> nope, not really
[02:44:05] <pingufan> I have no idea how to turn off my vacuum cleaner when aborting the program.
[02:47:00] <The_Ball> pingufan, not sure if it's the right solution, but you could use an AND block in hal so that the vacuum cleaner can only run if the spindle is running
[02:48:43] <Deejay> not sure if that is a good idea. if you want to clean the chips after work...
[02:49:03] <archivist> or and in the abort signal
[03:08:48] <pingufan> Hi. Sorry, I was afk.
[03:10:44] <pingufan> I have absolutely no experience wit tuning linuxcnc. But I assume that every keypress will somewhere have a list of things to do.
[03:11:18] <archivist> dont think like that, use the hal signals that change
[03:12:07] <archivist> you press esc and the signal(whatever name) to say abort gets changed
[03:12:20] <pingufan> Can you guide me, please? I don't want to shoot my setup.
[03:15:30] <pingufan> I have massive problems in understanding how all this belongs together
[03:16:12] <archivist> time to learn, look at this signal halui.estop.is-activated which is a bit out
[03:17:07] <archivist> save a copy, make a new setup so you can always go back
[03:27:41] <pingufan> I stuck.
[03:34:04] <pingufan> archivist: where does the keyboard-ESC-key hook in?
[03:37:11] <archivist> that pin I mentioned will be asserted learn how to test pins and how they work
[03:38:22] <pingufan> I need to catch that point when the execution is aborted by hitting ESC on the keyboard. There I want to turn off Pin16 of parport.
[03:38:46] <archivist> see hal show and hal scope
[03:40:20] <archivist> watch that pin press escape see if it changes
[03:40:35] <archivist> then use it how you want
[03:49:42] <pingufan> This is like learning to drive a car without knowing how everything works.
[03:50:44] <pingufan> lots of documentation, but most in reference style, explaining particular things, without a howto
[03:51:30] <pingufan> fishing in dark water.
[03:52:44] <archivist> there are some basics in the configuration manual
[03:52:57] <archivist> also in the hal docs
[03:53:35] <The_Ball> pingufan, the example configurations and sims are pretty good for learning how things are connected
[03:53:38] <archivist> connecting the signals in the hal file is very similar to wiring
[03:55:20] <pingufan> maybe. But the ESC key (on keyboard) is already connected somewhere, how do I find out WHERE it is connected to? Because I need to turn off pin 16 in addition.
[03:56:07] <archivist> I just told you a good candidate
[03:56:25] <archivist> have you tested that yet in hal show
[03:57:28] <pingufan> I opened hal show and I see a tree of items. What shall I search for to see how/where ESC has effect on?
[03:58:45] <pingufan> I could watch how mist is going on/off, but I see no entry for pin 16.
[03:59:05] <pingufan> Or for keyboard, .... I am missing the basics.
[04:00:21] <pingufan> Where do I find the PC keyboard in HAL?
[04:06:49] <archivist> forget the keyboard, look for halui.estop.is-activated
[04:12:37] <The_Ball> pingufan, hal doesn't know of the keyboard, different modules expose pins in hal. Your graphical UI (you might be using the Axis UI) will handle the keyboard and process keyboard events, then trigger different things to happen in HAL via pins
[04:21:20] <pingufan> I have a massive problem here. I used now user defined functions M101/M102 to set Pin 16 to true/false. This controls the vacuum cleaner. This is working.
[04:22:27] <pingufan> The problem is: I have no AXIS UI button for turning the Vacuum Cleaner on/off manually. I can press F5 and then type m101/m102, but this is poor.
[04:23:15] <The_Ball> If you want to add a button there are many tutorials on how to do that
[04:24:43] <pingufan> My first idea therefore was to use flood cooling for controlling the vacuum cleaner. This automatically adds a checkbox in the F3 menu. Works with UI, but there is no way (from G-Codes) to individually turn mist and flood on/off. "mist" is the valve for forced air cooling, "flood" the vacuum cleaner.
[04:25:23] <pingufan> M7 = turn ON air M8 = turn ON vacuum cleaner But M9 turns BOTH OFF.
[04:26:18] <pingufan> So I changed to use M101/102 yesterday. But I need a manual control in the UI to quickly turn on/off Pin16
[04:27:24] <The_Ball> Which UI are you using, axis?
[04:27:41] <pingufan> A new button at right end of the icons bar would help.
[04:27:53] <pingufan> Yes. Axis.
[04:28:28] <pingufan> All this documentation is so confusing, I don't get the clue.
[04:29:51] <The_Ball> You have to break it down into small pieces, makes it simpler to understand. So is it ok to control pin16 from the UI with a on/off button only, or do you need to control it in gcode as well?
[04:32:45] <pingufan> Both is needed. When I start a job, the first thing I do is moving to the startpoint, then I turn on the vacuum cleaner. It will be turned off with M102 at the end of the job. But I also need a manual on/off control, to be able to switch the cleaner on without running a job.
[04:34:03] <The_Ball> Ok, then there is one more detail. Should the switch/button in the UI be an over-ride, so that when the switch is "off" gcode controls the vacuum cleaner and when the UI button is "on" the vacuum cleaner is always on? This is the simplest to solve
[04:34:15] <pingufan> If this is now a button in the button bar, or left from the display, is not important.
[04:35:48] <pingufan> Well, When I hit ESC during a job, the vacuum cleaner remains ON. so a toggle button, directly affecting Pin16, will be necessary.
[04:37:55] <The_Ball> Hmm, in that case it might be easier to have to buttons that execute MDI commands, one for M101 - "Vacuum ON" and one for M102 - "Vacuum Off". Have a look at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Custom_MDI_Buttons
[04:38:19] <pingufan> Actually, the behavior of mist and flood would be fine. In UI, I can individually turn each one on/off. The only problem is that I have no G-Code for turning mist on/off without touching flood.
[04:38:40] <pingufan> Two burrons is also fine.
[04:38:45] <pingufan> buttons
[04:39:19] <pingufan> But you see, this is NOT trivial for a user.
[04:40:58] <The_Ball> Yes it's a bit of a learning curve. So step one is to add the buttons to axis with an xml file
[04:42:16] <pingufan> A bit is good ... :(
[04:43:21] <pingufan> So if I want more MDI commands, I enter them in multiple lines in section [HALUI]. Then I can access them woth 00/01/... as index?
[04:44:50] <The_Ball> Enter multiple lines with MDI_COMMAND= they will then be referenced yes
[04:45:21] <The_Ball> halui.mdi-command-00 , halui.mdi-command-01 etc
[04:45:43] <pingufan> Please, be patient with me, I do it step by step.
[04:48:10] <The_Ball> The XML for the buttons should be something like this: https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/MTf70iQGrsl8YsO
[04:51:40] <pingufan> pyvcp is mandatory?
[04:53:43] <XXCoder> heys
[04:59:13] <The_Ball> pingufan, there are multiple ways to add buttons, but pyvcp is very simple
[05:00:26] <pingufan> sufficient if it does what I need.
[05:11:01] <jthornton> morning
[05:11:27] <XXCoder> hey the j
[05:13:33] <XXCoder> hows ya
[05:16:31] <jthornton> just working on my first cup of joe
[05:16:41] <XXCoder> yummy
[05:16:48] <jthornton> did you see the LM10UU holders
[05:17:07] <XXCoder> no
[05:17:13] <XXCoder> in least not that I recall
[05:17:45] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1836026
[05:18:08] <XXCoder> definitely didnt see. nice :)
[05:18:26] <XXCoder> youre becoming quite a maker heh
[05:18:42] <jthornton> lol but that's the wrong stl file...
[05:18:42] <XXCoder> hn
[05:18:52] <XXCoder> how is your power source mounted
[05:19:53] <jthornton> two 4mm screws and square nuts
[05:20:11] <XXCoder> interesting. I used 2 leftover plasticnparts
[05:20:53] <jthornton> going to reverse the ramps board and move the controller to where the ramps is now
[05:22:44] <jthornton> I found some 3mm fender washers and changed how to hot bed it mounted, need to take a photo of that
[05:23:28] <XXCoder> no more springs?
[05:23:45] <jthornton> still have them for the time being
[05:23:47] <pingufan> The_Ball: Thank you so much. It works.
[05:24:41] <pingufan> Can I also write text into this panel and put the buttons into one line?
[05:24:47] <XXCoder> I'd suggest decouple first because it makes your machine immune to head crashes.
[05:25:27] <jthornton> strange I can't drag and drop from a NAS folder, I have to copy it to this pc first
[05:26:26] <jthornton> yea refresh the page now, I have the correct part there
[05:29:44] <jthornton> talk about wobble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrV0gubg-U
[05:30:18] <XXCoder> that is quite different
[05:30:26] <XXCoder> but looks like same concept
[05:30:41] <XXCoder> (by different I meant design lol)
[05:30:55] <XXCoder> wow
[05:31:07] <XXCoder> that screw bobbles much worse than mine does. mine barely wobbles at all
[05:31:24] <jthornton> I can't see any wobble on mine
[05:31:36] <XXCoder> mine does, I guess you got lucky lol
[05:31:47] <XXCoder> barely but visiable on parts.
[05:32:35] <jthornton> I still have a few blobs of plastic on the top layer, they look like they just fell off the nozzle or something
[05:33:19] <XXCoder> I wionder if your hotend is very slghtly overextruding
[05:33:33] <XXCoder> you did do that nozzle and wall calibration? that should have stopped it.
[05:34:00] <jthornton> yea got the extruder calibrated to make a perfect 0.4mm wall
[05:34:19] <XXCoder> nice. im sure you set steps per mm to 156?
[05:34:43] <jthornton> no, the new extruder is like 98 or something
[05:34:48] <pingufan> The_Ball: Is it possible to make this two menu entries also operational without homing the machine? I.e. if I want to simply clean the machine desk.
[05:34:54] <XXCoder> orginially I set it to 157 but was slighly overextruding so I decreased it to 156
[05:34:58] <XXCoder> wow
[05:35:08] <XXCoder> I'd suggest extrude test now
[05:35:20] <jthornton> again?
[05:35:24] <XXCoder> command 100mm and check size of extrude by calibre
[05:35:30] <XXCoder> no not that kind, other kind
[05:35:39] <jthornton> which kind?
[05:35:49] <XXCoder> stepper output end not nozzle outpit
[05:36:02] <jthornton> pingufan: you must be homed to do a MDI command
[05:36:08] <XXCoder> if command 100mm it should move filiment slightly less than 100mm
[05:36:17] <XXCoder> mine is 97.5mm
[05:36:23] <jthornton> I did the stepper output after installing the extruder
[05:36:51] <jthornton> oh I set mine to extrude 50mm when commanded 50mm
[05:37:03] <XXCoder> strange that your 965 works? different microstepping I guess?
[05:37:07] <XXCoder> er 96
[05:37:25] <XXCoder> or different gearing? anyway so that is fine
[05:37:33] <jthornton> I guess a slightly bigger gear
[05:37:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:38:07] <XXCoder> with much lower steps per mm I guess yours is much stronger extruder setup than mine lol
[05:38:24] <XXCoder> so those blobs, it happen only on top?
[05:38:59] <jthornton> well they are only visible on the top, I wonder if my bowden tube is slightly oversize
[05:39:22] <XXCoder> that should not matter
[05:39:54] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUPfBJz3I6Y
[05:40:02] <jthornton> I think it is over extruding
[05:40:28] <XXCoder> I love how tom captions videos :)
[05:40:38] <XXCoder> do you know how rare it is?
[05:40:56] <jthornton> can't recall seeing any caption videos
[05:41:05] <XXCoder> you linked me one
[05:41:22] <jthornton> so much for my memory lol
[05:41:27] <XXCoder> :D
[05:42:57] <jthornton> he said 1.5-3.0mm/s for the extrude test
[05:43:22] <XXCoder> still watching but really?
[05:44:20] <jthornton> he tests how much filament is actually extruded with the hot end connected so a true test
[05:45:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:48:06] <XXCoder> 386 seqtrillion lol
[05:48:12] <XXCoder> gonna love eu and usage of ,
[05:49:59] <jthornton> does the petg print better than pla?
[05:50:08] <XXCoder> its more fussy
[05:50:13] <XXCoder> not as bad as abs
[05:50:18] <jthornton> in what way?
[05:50:36] <XXCoder> more sensive to air movements, can deform as it cools
[05:50:50] <XXCoder> more stringy (that is why im been calibrating so hard lately)
[05:51:02] <XXCoder> petg really exposes your setup flaws.
[05:51:18] <XXCoder> I think weekend I will try PMMA
[05:51:21] <jthornton> I wonder how the petg carbon fiber is
[05:51:27] <XXCoder> dunno
[05:51:33] <XXCoder> I also have Nylon 12
[05:51:39] <XXCoder> those are 10m samples
[05:53:45] <jthornton> oh you have to turn on the CC button to see the subtitles
[05:54:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:54:29] <jthornton> that's why I didn't see them lol
[05:56:26] <XXCoder> heh yea
[05:57:19] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eure74A9HNc&index=3&list=PLDJMid0lOOYnRCAdbFfzECor3EbqF8euw
[05:58:11] <XXCoder> thats when captions is great
[05:58:25] <XXCoder> people keep thinking its only for deaf
[05:58:36] <pingufan> Meanwhile I got the pyVCP into nice appearance. What I want to add is a LED, showing the status of Pin16.
[05:58:38] <XXCoder> its really not. over 80% of caprion users is not deaf
[05:59:20] <jthornton> I like them when there is a lot of technical details
[06:00:12] <XXCoder> see, not only deaf use em :)
[06:00:39] <jthornton> pingufan: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp.html#_leds
[06:01:03] <The_Ball> pingufan, good. as jthornton said you have to be homed to run MDI commands
[06:01:26] <jthornton> the glass stays flat when when the heated bed bows as it heats and cools that makes sense
[06:02:19] <XXCoder> heh I love my $1 frame glass
[06:02:32] <XXCoder> it probably would shatter if I try ABS on it, its so thin
[06:03:11] <The_Ball> Anyone have any software recommendations for designing a operator panel to be engraved? I'm using Fusion 360 but it's a pain to position/manipulate text there
[06:03:38] <XXCoder> I heard of artCAM
[06:03:53] <XXCoder> its great for stuff like that apparently but not free and I have not actually tried it.
[06:04:13] <jthornton> there is a a decent one on the wiki for text
[06:04:34] <The_Ball> XXCoder, also autodesk, and free for hobby use it seems
[06:04:45] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:05:48] <The_Ball> sorry, might be free trial actually
[06:07:13] <The_Ball> jthornton, here? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?List_Of_CAM_References
[06:07:46] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
[06:10:48] <pingufan> The_Ball: How do I connect a pyVCP-LED to Pin16 (which is an output)?
[06:12:04] <jthornton> net my-signal pyvcp.my-let
[06:12:27] <jthornton> pyvcp.my-led even
[06:16:25] <pingufan> jthornton: Don't fully understand. Do I have to add that to my custom-hal definitions?
[06:16:28] <XXCoder> http://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/e9/05/62/b3/cf/2015-11-02_13.59.43_preview_featured.jpg lol nice jthornton
[06:16:45] <The_Ball> XXCoder, there is a free version of artcam but with limited features
[06:17:02] <XXCoder> unfortunately windows only if I recall right
[06:17:19] <jthornton> pingufan: no, any pyvcp needs to be in the postgui.hal file or whatever it is named
[06:17:41] <The_Ball> yes. I've been looking into f-carve which seems pretty good (open software)
[06:17:43] <pingufan> Ah, I meant that one.
[06:19:05] <XXCoder> f-engrave?
[06:19:36] <jthornton> pingufan: is the output connected to something now?
[06:20:00] <The_Ball> XXCoder, http://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[06:20:13] <pingufan> The output goes to my SSR for the vacuum cleaner.
[06:20:28] <XXCoder> The_Ball: nice thanks
[06:20:32] <pingufan> It is controlled my MDI commands.
[06:20:35] <jthornton> what is the signal name for 16
[06:21:04] <XXCoder> source, windows or python only
[06:21:09] <pingufan> No, I defined two M1xx functions. They directly set/clear Pin16
[06:22:07] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ty7ITWadv8
[06:22:26] <jthornton> then setp the led in the M1xx file
[06:22:42] <jthornton> setp pin-name True for on and False for off
[06:23:31] <pingufan> Understand. I cannot read back the port pin from another place?
[06:24:23] <jthornton> if you have the port pin defined in a net you can use that signal name to turn the led on and off
[06:26:06] <pingufan> Would be the cleaner way, I think. So I have to define it in my .hal file first.
[06:30:14] <XXCoder> jthornton: aw yeah https://www.thingiverse.com/make:260979
[06:31:12] <archivist> they should be in a wooden box!
[06:31:57] <XXCoder> mine didnt come with one
[06:31:58] <jthornton> mine are in a wooden box
[06:33:06] <pingufan> Can I define somewhere the height of the code window in axis? On startup, it is more than 50% of the whole window. I would like to make it i.e. 20% by default.
[06:36:22] <jthornton> hmm when I run axis the code is only about 15% of the window
[06:37:14] <pingufan> Here, when I start it up, the lower half of the screen is code (the white text box).
[06:37:48] <pingufan> I have to pull the textbos down every time
[06:42:25] <pingufan> How can I add a LED to pyVCP and connect it to "mist" ?
[06:42:54] <pingufan> Adding the LED is done, but I don't know how to connect it to MIST
[06:43:29] <The_Ball> pingufan, in a termnal run: halcmd show
[06:43:36] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/iocontrol.1.html
[06:43:46] <The_Ball> It will print out all of the current HAL configuration which can be a handy reference when poking around
[06:45:23] <pingufan> Ok. But how to assign the LED in pyVCP the status of iocontrol.0.coolant-mist ?
[06:46:09] <archivist> the pyvcp docs clearly tell you how to connect
[06:46:14] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_net
[06:46:24] <jthornton> read that first
[06:47:01] <archivist> then http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp-examples.html
[06:48:00] * XXCoder reads second first ;)
[06:48:06] <jthornton> https://www.youmagine.com/designs/calibration-sticks
[06:56:28] <jthornton> I like Tom's comment on private replies and why he does not reply to private questions as only one benefits from private
[06:57:36] <archivist> nor do you want to be tied to a support session on your own
[06:57:48] <jthornton> aye
[06:58:15] <XXCoder> jthornton: looking
[07:00:26] <pingufan> But some people are scaried about spreading out publically their weaknesses.
[07:01:25] <jthornton> yes many feel intimidated by public typing but they usually get over that once they chat more
[07:02:08] <jthornton> the big thing overlooked is that everyone started from scratch, no one was born with the knowledge
[07:02:09] <XXCoder> jthornton: nice video so far
[07:02:24] <XXCoder> one of earlier one sp autocaptions aw
[07:02:46] <jthornton> I just downloaded all his how to videos
[07:02:47] <XXCoder> 10 million cubans off lol
[07:02:52] <pingufan> I can't get the status of mist into the led. Can you help, please? I defined a led named "druckluft-led" in pyvcp. Now I have to control it.
[07:03:09] <XXCoder> I wish I could but I would have to downoload captions too. sure I can but bit more work
[07:03:36] <pingufan> But whatever hal entry I try, linuxcnc crashes. So I do something wrong.
[07:03:48] <archivist> read error message
[07:04:35] <jthornton> pingufan: did you read the paragraph on the net command?
[07:06:57] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGBipbgwgME&list=PLDJMid0lOOYnw1Ojz_U3G9QSpzsRQCVGG&index=4
[07:07:03] <jthornton> XXCoder: ^
[07:07:08] <pingufan> I did, but possibly not correctly understand it.
[07:07:23] <XXCoder> jt will watch when done with first video
[07:07:48] <jthornton> study the diagram signal direction
[07:08:52] <pingufan> So I have to add the LED to the mail .hal file?
[07:09:03] <pingufan> main .hal
[07:09:48] <jthornton> any reference to a pyvcp pin must be only in the postgui.hal file or whatever it is called in your configuration.
[07:10:40] <jthornton> the POSTGUI_HALFILE file in the ini has the name of that file
[07:13:41] <pingufan> net coolant-mist is what I also have to direct to pyvcp.druckluft-led
[07:14:24] <jthornton> the pin name is iocontrol.0.coolant-mist
[07:14:48] <jthornton> net some-name the some-name is the signal name not a pin name
[07:15:50] <pingufan> Can you show me the "glue"? I don't understand how to inter-connect this lines.
[07:16:29] <jthornton> see the syntax example here http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_net
[07:18:08] <pingufan> But then I have to add this to <name>.hal ?
[07:18:39] <pingufan> Add there the second destination "pyvcp.druckluft-led" ?
[07:19:31] <pingufan> But there I see only this: net coolant-mist <= iocontrol.0.coolant-mist
[07:19:38] <KreAa> gregcnc: u there?
[07:19:54] <KreAa> I ran test again with much less finishing woc
[07:20:00] <KreAa> then I ran finishing 2 more times
[07:20:03] <KreAa> lol
[07:20:43] <KreAa> still it's off by 0.12mm dia on base of 2mm tall feature and 0.04mm on top
[07:20:50] <KreAa> It's still a lot better though
[07:21:02] <pingufan> jthornton: I don't understand.
[07:21:04] <KreAa> The offset is only 0.06-0.02
[07:22:55] <KreAa> Interesting thing is the angle is almost the same
[07:23:07] <jthornton> in the ini [HAL] section what is this line POSTGUI_HALFILE =
[07:24:21] <pingufan> That I understand. There I have "custom_postgui.hal", which I use.
[07:25:01] <jthornton> what is the net line you tried to use
[07:25:06] <pingufan> In this .hal file I defined the signals of my buttons for turning the vacuum cleaner on/off. This works.
[07:25:58] <pingufan> Now I wanted to add a display (only) for the status of my forced air coolant. This actually is coolant-mist.
[07:26:30] <jthornton> what is the net line that turns on the air
[07:26:32] <pingufan> I see the LED, but I cannot connect it to the signal for mist.
[07:26:45] <jthornton> <jthornton> what is the net line that turns on the air
[07:28:23] <pingufan> it is "net coolant-mist <= iocontrol.0.coolant-mist" as I can find in "Meinefraese.hal"
[07:28:47] <pingufan> So the signal has name "coolant-mist"
[07:29:05] <pingufan> Did I understand right?
[07:31:02] <pingufan> Please correct me if I am wrong.
[07:32:09] <jthornton> yes coolant-mist is the signal name
[07:32:37] <jthornton> in your post gui file you can use the signal name again
[07:33:52] <pingufan> Ah! and this causes a connection to it?
[07:34:07] <jthornton> yep
[07:35:11] <pingufan> So I write there: net coolant-mist pyvc.druckluft-led
[07:35:20] <jthornton> yep
[07:35:31] <jthornton> and now you understand much more :)
[07:36:07] <pingufan> Partially.
[07:37:09] <pingufan> What is this <= causing ? net vacuum-off halui.mdi-command-01 <= pyvcp.vacuum-off
[07:37:15] <gregcnc> Kreaa strange that the angle is the same
[07:38:05] <jthornton> => <= and <=> do nothing
[07:38:15] <KreAa> gregcnc: yeah, and I mean 3 passes without moving the path should have taken care of most
[07:38:28] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/Hilitchi-2-54mm-Headers-Connector-Housing/dp/B014YTPFT8/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1476878806&sr=1-2&keywords=dupont+connector+kit
[07:38:32] <jthornton> XXCoder:
[07:38:37] <KreAa> I left 0.1mm and the offset from the rough would have been around 0.3 dia
[07:38:45] <XXCoder> nice
[07:38:50] <KreAa> after 3 passes there shouldn't have been much contact at all
[07:39:03] <gregcnc> was it still taking off material?
[07:39:07] <KreAa> yes
[07:39:07] <XXCoder> Im still wondering about desiging a case for new tb660s and BOB
[07:39:12] <KreAa> well the sound sais it was
[07:39:14] <KreAa> slightly
[07:39:15] <XXCoder> so its nicely protected and fanbed
[07:39:35] <XXCoder> for 3 printer I think ill just 3d print cases for boards.
[07:39:39] <KreAa> I think I can improve the spindle mount though in case that is where it gives
[07:39:50] <XXCoder> and place em under as with legs there is room.
[07:40:00] <KreAa> It's two 10mm alu plates next to eachother in a stack clamping the spindle
[07:40:09] <KreAa> I can separate the plates by atleast 10-20mm
[07:40:16] <KreAa> That would increase rigidity a lot
[07:40:23] <KreAa> assuming this is where it gives
[07:40:46] <KreAa> I tightened the preload screws on my linear blocks since the machine is under so low load all the time
[07:40:55] <KreAa> It improved my testdial readings by factor of 3
[07:41:06] <KreAa> 1/3 as much deflection on load I put on machine by hnd
[07:41:09] <KreAa> hand
[07:41:29] <jthornton> did you get the tb660's finally
[07:42:44] <XXCoder> nope
[07:42:49] <gregcnc> cutting force on that cut should be very small, I wouldn't expect much deflection
[07:42:54] <XXCoder> I'll die of old age before that happens
[07:43:05] <jthornton> lol
[07:43:33] <KreAa> gregcnc: pm?
[07:43:50] <pingufan> jthornton: Just a question, what I have now is already useful. But is it possible to change the vacuum cleaner setup in such way that I can turn it on/off with MDI commands, but always (also without homing, etc.) from pyVCP?
[07:44:30] <pingufan> My mill is slow. 1080 mm/min. If I have to home before i can clean the desk ... :/
[07:47:10] <jthornton> you should alway home once when you start up LinuxCNC, and yes you can add some pyvcp or physical buttons with an or2 to turn on without using mdi command
[07:49:22] <jthornton> XXCoder: this is arriving today https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0151H6XWK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[07:49:48] <XXCoder> fancy. whats wrong with old one? glitchy display rihjt?
[07:50:19] <jthornton> I have another ramps 1.4 board but no display
[07:51:20] <jthornton> this gives me most of what I need to build a larger printer now and getting experience with the i3 clone has given me the confidence and knowledge to build a better one
[07:51:38] <jthornton> one more set on the weight machine and it's shower time!
[07:51:52] <XXCoder> nice. bedtime for me lol
[07:55:58] <jthornton> see you later
[10:33:52] <Jymmm> Mornin folks
[10:41:47] <CaptHindsight> top o the mornin to yuh
[10:42:06] <Jymmm> You know, the prices actually seem reasonable (watch the video)... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thekingofrandom/the-king-of-random-presents-the-stealth-shelf
[10:42:52] <Jymmm> The stealth shelf... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yvZbX_0lPw
[10:43:14] <CaptHindsight> CNC it
[10:43:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: how many axis do you have?
[10:50:46] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: Did you ever test CH382 based PCIE parallel port cards with LinuxCNC? (I vaguely remember something of that nature)
[10:53:35] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: let me check the part numbers
[10:56:12] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: CH382L
[10:58:42] <pcw_home> that works?
[10:58:50] <CaptHindsight> pretty sure EPP worked fine
[10:59:05] <CaptHindsight> been a few years
[10:59:12] <pcw_home> OK thanks
[10:59:30] <Jymmm> pcw_home: https://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Printer-Express-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00BAO55QY
[11:00:08] <pcw_home> yeah trying to help someone on the forum with such a card
[11:00:43] <Jymmm> I like Syba products, they actually seems to have their shit together
[11:01:21] <terkaa> evening all
[11:01:43] <CaptHindsight> these were ~$9 and shipped from China
[11:02:27] <Jymmm> For $1 more, get two serial ports as well... https://www.amazon.com/Printer-Parallel-Express-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00BAO560Y/
[11:02:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Parallel-Port-DB25-LPT-Printer-to-PCI-E-Express-Card-Converter-Adapter-/181833156333
[11:04:08] <Jymmm> Re: I/O cards... I LOVE my ExpressCard to SERIAL (ie a REAL UART) adapter, even works in MS-DOS
[11:05:12] <Jymmm> and my MBP recognizes it instantly =)
[11:08:10] <Jymmm> I think I found a solution to having cat fights at 3am... remote controlled cap gun(s) strategically placed all over =)
[11:11:14] <Jymmm> Them program them to "fire" in a line like machine gun fire
[11:12:59] <Jymmm> cradek: Thought you might appreciate this... utility van converted to camper... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wksm1xI1Ms0
[11:53:02] <miss0r> I'm about to try'n find a 4-jaw chuck for my lathe. but I have no idea what fitting I need. Can one of you guys help me determin that? (where to measure ect.)
[11:56:06] <archivist> measure everthing on the nose, buy backplate machine to fit nose, fit on nose machine to fit chuck
[11:56:25] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: http://www.lathe-chucks.com/SPINDLESPECS.HTM
[11:56:43] <archivist> basically the register is the bit that matters
[11:57:39] <miss0r> alright. I will see if I can unmount the backplate for the 3-jaw. Idealy I would find a 4-jaw that fits it
[11:59:41] <archivist> that threaded nose list is a bit short!
[12:00:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lathes.co.uk/latheparts/page8.html
[12:01:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_tc_browse.htm
[12:02:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_tc_browse.htm?commid=48404
[12:04:26] <miss0r> hmm... the index is 2.282" ~ 57.95mm
[12:05:27] <miss0r> and the lenght of mentioned is 0.729" ~ 18.50mm
[12:05:33] <miss0r> I can't seem to find this on the list
[12:07:08] <miss0r> I think its a DIN 800
[12:09:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lathes.co.uk/spindlenose/spindlenoses.pdf
[12:09:57] <miss0r> CaptHindsight Yeah, i'm looking at that one, but I can't make the numbers fit any of that
[12:10:26] <miss0r> defenetly looks like the same construction as the DIN 800 mentioned in the pdf, but the numbers does not add up
[12:14:04] <gregcnc> threaded nose?
[12:14:39] <miss0r> yeah
[12:17:03] <gregcnc> thread dia?
[12:17:33] <miss0r> picture of nose: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7cm12VW5UYjZXemc
[12:18:01] <miss0r> 55.72mm
[12:18:03] <miss0r> it seems.
[12:23:07] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:23:25] <miss0r> hello
[12:27:22] <IchGucksLive> is there another cheeper ptfe material that has the same headresistence
[12:27:48] <IchGucksLive> pa6 is not that first joice
[12:27:48] <IchGucksLive> at 300deg
[12:27:52] <IchGucksLive> Celsius
[12:29:42] <IchGucksLive> 100mm PTFE 12mm round at 6euros
[12:30:19] <CaptHindsight> what other requirements do you have other than heat resistance?
[12:31:05] <CaptHindsight> and being a round solid
[12:31:34] <IchGucksLive> nothing
[12:31:48] <gregcnc> miss0r what is that lathe again? i thought i remember M56 spindle nose somewhere, but google doesn't agree. For threaded nose, measure and reproduce is easy enough
[12:32:09] <gregcnc> capthindsight must cost less than lunch
[12:32:28] <miss0r> Its a Zelenda ZN 150 lathe.
[12:34:45] <gregcnc> capthindsight must cost less than lunch nose comes to mind, but 55.72 would be undersize for that thread
[12:34:51] <gregcnc> http://www.lathe.com/spindles.html
[12:35:40] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: whos nose?
[12:36:45] <gregcnc> wtf must have bumped up arrow
[12:37:04] <gregcnc> sheldon 2 1/4-8
[12:37:40] <miss0r> gregcnc: I can't make the numbers add up on that list either
[12:41:49] <miss0r> gregcnc: I did some measurements https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7eGpHMXZ2cmswelE
[12:42:42] <gregcnc> good now just make the matching backplate ;)
[12:43:15] <miss0r> *sigh*... for tax reasons I have to spend some money in my small shop here. I was realy looking forward to just buying it :)
[12:44:02] <IchGucksLive> someone has expearience with 340oz vs 425 oz steppers
[12:44:20] <miss0r> IchGucksLive: one is more powerfull than the other... :)
[12:44:28] <IchGucksLive> there are dam cheep and use only 1.8A/ph insted of 4A/ph
[12:44:55] <IchGucksLive> so a 5axis on that is only 36V 10A
[12:45:01] <gregcnc> just bill yourself
[12:45:06] <IchGucksLive> that reduces the cabinet space
[12:45:38] <IchGucksLive> and with tb6600 insted of 542 it is the low cost perfect fit
[12:45:51] <IchGucksLive> at 9euros per driver
[12:49:19] <miss0r> yeah... but the tb6600 is somewhat sketchy iirc
[12:49:55] <miss0r> scratch that... they are okay.. I am mixing up stuff here
[13:04:56] <IchGucksLive> i did use them now offen and no failue
[13:05:24] <IchGucksLive> the LCNC 2.7 is better on bad PC
[13:05:40] <IchGucksLive> i did a test on a 150k latency mashine
[13:05:55] <IchGucksLive> at 2000mm/min scale100
[13:06:09] <IchGucksLive> no loss no problems
[13:26:04] <IchGucksLive> pingufan: ?
[13:44:00] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:05:36] <CaptHindsight> why is it so hard to find a 100W AC servo and dumb amp?
[14:06:05] <Tom_L> because you want one
[14:06:52] <CaptHindsight> it's even harder if you want to use an external encoder
[14:07:31] <CaptHindsight> looks like I'll just use a mesa 8i20
[14:08:53] * djdelorie has a small collection of 250w servos he got as salvage and covets because it's so hard to find more...
[14:59:13] <skunkworks_> zlog
[15:28:36] <MacGalempsy_> yo
[15:29:24] <nubcake> whats up
[15:29:35] <MacGalempsy_> nada. y tu?
[15:30:07] <nubcake> nada aswell i guess
[15:30:34] <MacGalempsy_> im printing a witch's hat for my dog
[15:30:40] <nubcake> chinese seller sent me the manual for the vfd that came with my cnc, it's chinese :'D
[15:30:49] <nubcake> lol nice, what does it look like?
[15:31:03] <MacGalempsy_> round with a pointy top :P
[15:31:13] <MacGalempsy_> i made one earlier for my neice's hamster
[15:31:26] <MacGalempsy_> my phone is charging, so I cant take a pic right now
[15:31:26] <nubcake> xD pics or it didn't happen..
[15:31:32] <nubcake> aww damn :D
[15:31:37] <MacGalempsy_> lol
[15:31:53] <MacGalempsy_> when its done, I'll make him wear it
[15:32:06] <MacGalempsy_> would like to make some armor
[15:32:16] <MacGalempsy_> for the pet
[15:32:25] <nubcake> almost sounds like warhamsta :o
[15:32:34] <MacGalempsy_> witch-hamster
[15:32:52] <nubcake> http://gallery.burrowowl.net/index.php?q=/post/view/17094
[15:33:07] <MacGalempsy_> lol
[15:33:20] <nubcake> badass
[15:33:35] <MacGalempsy_> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/16/guinea-pig-armor_n_3449820.html
[15:34:02] <nubcake> lol nice :D
[15:34:29] <MacGalempsy_> I was trying to draw up a skull helmet to print, but I couldnt get it to look good, so it was deleted
[15:34:54] <nubcake> aww :/
[15:35:12] <MacGalempsy_> there is a scan of a rat skull on thingiverse
[15:35:26] <MacGalempsy_> but a witches hat is easier to print
[15:35:35] <nubcake> kind of
[15:43:01] <nubcake> should i get an Aluminium bed, or maybe something else, some kind of steel or some alloy?
[15:43:16] <MacGalempsy_> aluminum works well for printing
[15:44:18] <MacGalempsy_> sandwiching the heaterboard between glass and aluminum seemed to work well here
[15:47:15] <MacGalempsy_> nubcake: what are you using now?
[15:49:20] <MacGalempsy_> hi andypugh
[15:49:44] <andypugh> Hi
[15:50:13] <MacGalempsy_> any progress on your sand printer concept?
[15:50:46] <andypugh> None at all :-)
[15:51:55] <MacGalempsy> so are you without a cnc at the moment?
[15:52:19] <andypugh> Me? No, I have a CNC lathe and a CNC mill
[15:52:34] <MacGalempsy> the other thing was just an old project?
[15:53:40] <andypugh> Yes, very much superceded. Mill: https://goo.gl/photos/aGXa4CWYKRrPUYxE8
[15:54:13] <andypugh> And, even nicer, the lathe: https://goo.gl/photos/eLX3hT9hvQpMwPzm6
[15:54:15] <MacGalempsy> thats pretty sweek looking. bridgeport?
[15:54:31] <andypugh> Harrison
[15:54:43] <MacGalempsy> the lathe looks heavy
[15:55:02] <andypugh> Yes. Look at the depth of the bed.
[15:55:48] <MacGalempsy> the controls look nice and simple
[15:56:07] <nubcake> MacGalempsy: a Glass bed
[15:56:50] <andypugh> It’s a 10x20” lathe. The Chinese lathe was 9x30. But look at the Chinese tailstock placed on the Holbrook bed: https://goo.gl/photos/zR9HuusSGmd7jFUV8
[15:56:54] <MacGalempsy> nubcake: the witch's hat is done. letting it cool now
[15:57:26] <MacGalempsy> wow
[15:58:01] <MacGalempsy> do you have a 4th axis on the mill?
[15:58:06] <andypugh> It’s just on a different scale
[16:00:24] <andypugh> Yes. I use the 4th-axis and the horizontal spindle of the mill for gear-cutting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTHY5U8v-U
[16:03:36] <MacGalempsy> that is fantasitc. are you able to use the 4th axis with F360?
[16:04:25] <andypugh> I tend to use Inventor CAM, (which is very similar to Fusion360) and that doesn’t do 4th axis work. I haven’t checked if Fusion does.
[16:04:54] <MacGalempsy> there are a few threads of people claiming to get it to work with the LCNC postprocessor
[16:05:24] <MacGalempsy> apparently, the engine is the same as the HSM works, but the front end does not take advantage of all its abilities
[16:06:00] <andypugh> Well, it is free, so it would be daft to compete with their commercial offerings
[16:06:46] <MacGalempsy> supposedly the pro version allows 4th and 5th axis work, which is $100USD/month. however, I cant seem to find any documentation on it.
[16:21:15] <andypugh> I think that Fusion 360 Ultimate disappeared
[16:22:02] <MacGalempsy_> it seems that way
[16:23:09] <MacGalempsy_> in the forum, it seems like they reach out for ideas, but every idea is pushed to the development team, which is then put to the back burner
[16:28:28] <Tom_L> btw.. when is the fest?
[16:32:57] <andypugh> MacGalempsy_: Have you seen this? An example of 3.5 axis CAM in Fusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke-CfekOJOk (maybe ff to 5mins)
[16:34:56] <MacGalempsy_> have not seen this, but checking it out
[16:38:21] <Deejay> gn8
[16:38:54] <JT-i3-> XXCoder: got my glass but can't find any clips to hold it on... I must have a double handful somewhere
[16:52:01] <Tom_L> JT-i3- does that go on top of or instead of the aluminum plate?
[16:55:42] <JT-i3-> it goes on top, the aluminum plate bows as it heats up and cools down but the glass stays flat
[16:55:53] <JT-i3-> at least that's what the rappers say
[16:56:37] <MacGalempsy> JT-i3-: how long does it take to get the bed up to 125?
[16:57:08] <JT-i3-> I've never been past 70C
[17:00:23] <MacGalempsy> I made a little blanket to help get it up to temp faster
[17:00:54] <JT-i3> you doing abs?
[17:01:24] <MacGalempsy> thats all I do. never printed PLA before
[17:03:06] <JT-i3> I have some petg and some carbon filled petg
[17:03:20] <JT-i3> I think I better get a ss nozzle before I try the filled
[17:16:00] <MacGalempsy> never seen carbon filled petg
[17:16:43] <MacGalempsy> why would you need a ss nozzle for the petg?
[17:16:50] <MacGalempsy> *filled
[17:17:39] <JT-Shop> carbon is abrasive iirc
[17:18:18] <JT-Shop> glow in the dark is abrasive too and will wear out a brass nozzle in no time
[17:22:37] <MacGalempsy_> i have never wornout a nozzle that I know about. how would I know?
[17:23:45] <MacGalempsy_> i need a .5mm pin gauge, or something
[17:27:00] <JT-i3> extrude at 2mm/s and measure
[17:27:21] <JT-i3> this new 10mm Y bearings and shafts is sweet
[17:28:09] <MacGalempsy_> wouldnt there be some expansion of the plastic due to lower pressure?
[17:28:39] <JT-i3> I should shut up, I know nothing about ABS
[17:31:26] <MacGalempsy_> i was just talking about plastic in general
[17:31:29] <JT-i3> I need to change this pc to 64bit so I can try the new cura
[17:31:58] <JT-i3> http://reprap.org/wiki/Triffid_Hunter's_Calibration_Guide#Slicer_settings
[17:37:22] <JT-i3> I need to make some 5mm OD 3mm ID spacers about 3mm long
[17:37:26] <JT-i3> hmmm
[17:38:10] <Nick-Shop> <JT-13> Question - what is the difference of pwmgen output-type1 & 2
[17:40:34] <JT-i3> no idea, sorry
[17:40:55] <JT-i3> that is an Andy level question lol
[17:41:14] <Nick-Shop> has to do with hardinge spindle drive
[17:41:44] <JT-i3> I understand that, I just don't know anything about pwmgen
[17:42:05] <Nick-Shop> ok-thanks
[17:42:15] <JT-i3> I think I use them but don't know anything about them
[17:43:30] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Software or Mesa pwmgen?
[17:43:57] <Nick-Shop> mesa
[17:44:44] <Nick-Shop> 5i25/7i49/7i37TA cards
[17:44:58] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#pwmgen
[17:45:09] <andypugh> See output_type
[17:46:19] <andypugh> I guess you don’t mean 5i25?
[17:47:05] <Nick-Shop> resolver5i23 - sorry my typing is lousy
[17:48:09] <Nick-Shop> I at the spindle drive and nothing's happening - nothing blew up either so that's a good start.
[17:48:50] <andypugh> Running the spindle from 7i49 analogue outputs?
[17:49:44] <Nick-Shop> Yes I have it wired & jumpered as the first machine and no error lights are on so it has to be the hal file
[17:50:13] <andypugh> You need up/down mode (output_type 2)
[17:51:10] <andypugh> So to answer the original question: The difference between output types 1 and 2 is that 2 will work with the 7i49 and 1 won’t :-)
[17:51:31] <Nick-Shop> ok - I'll go change it and be back
[17:51:57] <Nick-Shop> that's easy :-)
[17:52:57] * JT-i3 wished he understood that stuff better
[17:56:14] <Nick-Shop> so do I - can someone look at the hal file
[17:56:37] <Nick-Shop> BTW - no spindle movement
[18:02:13] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: PAstebin?
[18:03:46] <Nick-Shop> ok -I'll post it in a while - wife rang the dinner bell - Be back
[18:55:13] <Nick001> <andypugh> - here are both files that I'm having spindle issues with http://pastebin.com/rhjR6bqX
[19:16:48] <MacGalempsy> http://www.thebranfordgroup.com/DNN3/Auction/GEA11116.aspx
[19:19:30] <zeeshan> monster auction
[19:19:31] <zeeshan> :D
[19:21:15] <andypugh> Nick001: I don’t see any mention of pwmgen.03.enable anywhere
[19:22:23] <andypugh> And now I should sleep
[19:24:16] <MacGalempsy> when you see a GE auction, you know that shit is going to mexico
[19:43:22] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan whats going on?
[19:43:45] <zeeshan> trying to program a live tooling lathe in cam
[19:43:46] <zeeshan> ;/
[19:44:41] <MacGalempsy> zzzz boring...
[19:45:07] <MacGalempsy> what have you got done on the lathe?
[19:45:22] <zeeshan> nothing
[19:45:22] <zeeshan> :P
[20:03:17] <gregcnc> zee your lathe has live tooling?
[20:04:32] <gregcnc> zeeshan ^^
[20:04:40] <zeeshan> no
[20:04:43] <tiwake> fail
[20:04:49] <zeeshan> im on a team at work
[20:04:57] <zeeshan> whos trying to bring hsm into our manufacturing process
[20:05:05] <zeeshan> so im programming parts on my spare time
[20:05:10] <zeeshan> to take advantage of the capabilities of the machine
[20:05:32] <gregcnc> sounds like overtime
[20:05:41] <zeeshan> im passionate :)
[20:05:54] <gregcnc> tell them your lathe needs to get running
[20:06:24] <zeeshan> whats a W axis
[20:06:32] <zeeshan> on a dual spindle lathe w/ live tooling
[20:06:34] <zeeshan> Z is along the bed
[20:06:39] <zeeshan> x and y are the turret moving
[20:06:49] <zeeshan> C is the main spindle rotation
[20:06:56] <zeeshan> wtf is W!
[20:07:06] <zeeshan> movement of the second spindle ?
[20:07:10] <zeeshan> (along z)
[20:07:30] <Tom_L> do you have a post for live tooling for it?
[20:07:52] <zeeshan> yes
[20:07:54] <zeeshan> i should
[20:08:06] <Tom_L> did they write it or the mfg?
[20:08:11] <zeeshan> mfg
[20:08:13] <zeeshan> i think
[20:08:19] <zeeshan> i likely will have to modify it
[20:08:27] <zeeshan> i have a webiner on fri about post processor for hsm
[20:08:40] <Tom_L> can you edit it directly?
[20:08:41] <zeeshan> it visually looks a lot easier than mastercam
[20:08:43] <zeeshan> ya
[20:08:51] <Tom_L> catia requires an external program for that i found out
[20:08:59] <gregcnc> what amchine?
[20:09:07] <zeeshan> https://www.mazakusa.com/machines/quick-turn-nexus-350-ii-msy/
[20:09:26] <gregcnc> w is Z for sub spindle I tink
[20:09:34] <zeeshan> that'd make sense
[20:09:38] <zeeshan> cause i dont see anything else moving
[20:09:41] <Tom_L> one of the guys in class ran a multi spindle live tool lathe
[20:09:48] <zeeshan> like usually you have u v w
[20:09:50] <Tom_L> he was trying to learn how to use it all
[20:10:04] <zeeshan> which correspond to x y z
[20:10:32] <Tom_L> likely alot of special g & m codes
[20:10:40] <zeeshan> ??
[20:10:49] <zeeshan> my understanding is
[20:10:53] <zeeshan> its really no different than programming a mill
[20:11:00] <zeeshan> transferrng from one spindle to another
[20:11:05] <zeeshan> is supposedly one m code
[20:11:22] <Tom_L> all the distance etc must be canned in it
[20:11:28] <zeeshan> then i guess you tell it what W position to move to
[20:11:34] <zeeshan> and you now know what to do
[20:11:55] <Tom_L> how do you tell it how far to move to pick the part?
[20:11:56] <zeeshan> like for example lets say you're done machining on the main spindle
[20:11:57] <gregcnc> there is prbly a code to sync the spindle
[20:12:04] <gregcnc> spindles
[20:12:08] <zeeshan> you tell it to move W1.000 or something
[20:12:15] <zeeshan> and it'll grab 1" away from the main spindle
[20:13:05] <MacGalempsy> sounds complex
[20:13:11] <zeeshan> nahhh
[20:13:13] <zeeshan> cause im thinking
[20:13:23] <zeeshan> after you grab it at 1" away , you tell it to move to W 62" for example
[20:13:26] <Tom_L> i've watched videos of em but never saw on irl
[20:13:34] <zeeshan> and now you move the turret to Z ~ 60"
[20:13:38] <zeeshan> and machine nornally
[20:13:58] <zeeshan> your cam likely needs to add an offset to Z
[20:14:00] <zeeshan> after the spindle transfer
[20:14:15] <zeeshan> ill know for sure after the mazatrol classes
[20:14:27] <Tom_L> take notes :)
[20:14:31] <zeeshan> i hope they dont waste time
[20:14:34] <zeeshan> on useless bullshit
[20:14:37] <zeeshan> i got serious questions for them!
[20:14:38] <zeeshan> :P
[20:15:16] <zeeshan> i can see tool setup being a real pita in the beginning
[20:15:20] <zeeshan> because you gotta worry about shit crashing
[20:16:16] <Tom_L> those would likely be points in your cad file
[20:16:47] <zeeshan> i hope the hsm verification software
[20:16:51] <zeeshan> is smart enough to kno what tools are loaded
[20:16:53] <zeeshan> and not to crash!
[20:17:03] <Tom_L> define them well
[20:17:20] <sync> machine simulation ftw
[20:17:50] <Tom_L> catia lets you define the different parts of the tool
[20:18:07] <Tom_L> more accurate the better your chances
[20:18:17] <malcom2073> Machine simulation is my favorite thing
[20:18:23] <malcom2073> I have way more hours in simulation than on my machine
[20:18:25] <malcom2073> by at least a factor of 10
[20:18:37] <Tom_L> what do you use for that?
[20:18:39] <gregcnc> doesn't sound profitable
[20:18:59] <malcom2073> gregcnc: hobbies never are, if they were, they'd be a job
[20:19:00] <Tom_L> if it saves a 250k machine it is
[20:19:12] <malcom2073> Tom_L: I've used a couple, mostly I use something slightly less than legit lately
[20:19:26] <Tom_L> we used nsee way back when
[20:19:28] <malcom2073> I used to use OpenSCAM a lot though, that was pretty nifty
[20:19:32] <Tom_L> it read from the gcode
[20:20:10] <Tom_L> catia simulates cuts and shows the path etc
[20:20:10] <zeeshan> man
[20:20:12] <zeeshan> i love hsm
[20:20:23] <zeeshan> when you post processor and get your g-code
[20:20:27] <Tom_L> i didn't get that far into the machining part of it yet
[20:20:32] <zeeshan> you have a backplotter just like in linuxcnc.
[20:20:41] <zeeshan> so basically if you decide to add manual g-code
[20:20:44] <zeeshan> the back plotter updates.
[20:20:47] <zeeshan> frigging awesome
[20:20:52] <zeeshan> mastercam lacks that!
[20:21:09] <gregcnc> in the paid version does it have real machines in the backplotter?
[20:21:20] <zeeshan> havent gotten that far
[20:22:00] <gregcnc> the free version only has a couple generic fanuc and iso sims maybe a couple more
[20:22:30] <gregcnc> the fanuc turning was questionable
[20:22:46] <Tom_L> does it require a 64bit machine?
[20:22:52] <Tom_L> os
[20:23:59] <zeeshan> looks like no machine simulation
[20:24:01] <zeeshan> for inventor
[20:24:05] <zeeshan> but it exists for solidworks
[20:24:05] <zeeshan> fak
[20:24:17] <zeeshan> gregcnc: wat
[20:24:23] <zeeshan> theres tons more than that in 2017
[20:25:05] <gregcnc> oh maybe
[20:25:46] <zeeshan> ROFL
[20:25:47] <zeeshan> ROFL
[20:25:48] <zeeshan> ROFL
[20:26:04] <zeeshan> you guys will like this
[20:26:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/t6TklSj.png
[20:26:43] <zeeshan> look closely
[20:26:48] <zeeshan> and tell me what you see ;-)
[20:26:52] <gregcnc> zee not posts, the backplotter
[20:26:56] <malcom2073> EMC2!
[20:27:01] <gregcnc> yes i use it
[20:27:03] <zeeshan> LONG LIVE EMC2!!!!!!!
[20:27:07] <malcom2073> Above mach3 too :-P
[20:27:09] <zeeshan> gregcnc: how well does it work
[20:27:13] <zeeshan> any tweaks yet?
[20:27:17] <malcom2073> (SHHH I know it's alphabetical)
[20:27:50] <zeeshan> its smart enough to save as .ngc
[20:27:52] <zeeshan> automatically
[20:27:52] <zeeshan> haha
[20:27:56] <zeeshan> i love it
[20:28:15] <gregcnc> fine it's basic, and so it my machine I changed the preamble and added helical or something
[20:28:26] <zeeshan> youre right gregf
[20:28:29] <zeeshan> it dfoesnt seem to work for linuxcnc
[20:28:33] <zeeshan> but works for mazak
[20:28:37] <zeeshan> weird
[20:29:12] <zeeshan> i see siemens, mazak, mach 3, fanuc
[20:29:22] <gregcnc> i think a lot of people are using fusion or HSMxpress with the linuxcnc post
[20:31:16] <gregcnc> I also started with the generic fanuc post for the Emco with emulated Fanuc 0M
[20:32:49] <zeeshan> hm
[20:32:57] <zeeshan> looks like backplotter is a fail for linuxcnc
[20:33:07] <zeeshan> gregcnc: have you been using it for 3 axis milling/
[20:34:34] <gregcnc> no, I only tried it for turning. used it once a few weeks ago. I did try it with the Emco Fanuc on Fanuc milling and that worked
[20:35:04] <gregcnc> turning doesn't support C axis
[20:38:42] <dioz> i should have gone with dewalt instead of bosch
[20:38:58] <dioz> dewalt has a battery operated threaded rod cutter!
[20:44:43] <MacGalempsy> it is strange that inventor does not have simulation because fusion does
[20:44:52] <zeeshan> machine simulation
[20:44:56] <zeeshan> it has regular simulation
[20:45:26] <MacGalempsy> oh
[20:46:39] <MacGalempsy> overall, fusion seems like a decent hobby package
[20:48:45] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan when do the classes start?
[21:50:33] <zeeshan> not sure
[21:50:35] <zeeshan> early nov
[21:59:31] <Wolf_> dewalt threaded rod cutter?
[22:23:35] <dioz> Wolf_: yah
[22:23:53] <Wolf_> yeah, I just looked it up
[22:23:58] <dioz> "ready rod" we call it
[22:24:06] <dioz> but we use it to hang duct/pipe/etc
[22:24:17] <dioz> ready rod and unistrut
[22:24:28] <Wolf_> I dont use enough all thread to spend that much on a tool like that
[22:24:44] <dioz> yah i just use a bandsaw
[22:24:46] <dioz> the handheld
[22:25:42] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/XsDNV0t.jpg works for me
[22:25:59] <Wolf_> that and 5” grinder
[22:26:43] <CaptHindsight> is Dewalt specializing in tools that nobody needs? Do they make a cordless pie crust trimmer?
[22:28:30] <Wolf_> looks like a nice tool if all you do is hang pipe/duct all day long lol
[22:30:40] <CaptHindsight> hmm automatic eyeglass frame aligner
[22:34:04] <Wolf_> lol
[22:38:56] <dioz> hah yah
[22:39:01] <dioz> if you're doing commercial buildings
[22:39:04] <dioz> and hanging pipe
[22:39:12] <dioz> having a ready rod cutter would definitely save time
[22:39:22] <dioz> i mean a mechanical one
[22:39:26] <dioz> hydraulik w/e
[22:39:49] <dioz> cut me 100 x 2', 3/4" ready rods
[22:40:49] <dioz> the band saw works alright though
[22:41:27] <dioz> the only thing i like about milwaukee is their multi charger
[22:41:45] <dioz> storing 6 batteries on one unit
[22:41:52] <dioz> only down side is it doesn't charge them all at once
[22:41:54] <dioz> just one at a time
[22:41:58] <Cromaglious_> trying to get gmoccapy going.. now linuxcnc wont run :(
[22:42:07] <roycroft> the 18v fuel bandsaw is rated better than their corded one
[22:42:17] <roycroft> and the milwaukee corded bandsaw is awesome
[22:42:34] <dioz> yah they're alright
[22:43:34] <roycroft> i've been replacing my old dewalt 18v cordless gear with milwaukee
[22:43:42] <roycroft> the dewalt is pre-lithium ion
[22:43:53] <roycroft> i'm pretty happy with the milwaukee stuff i've gotten so far
[22:51:00] <enleth> CaptHindsight: well, they do specialize in specialized tools
[22:53:33] <enleth> CaptHindsight: but you'd be surprised how many very expensive and very obscure single-task tools are there for some trades
[22:57:03] <enleth> machining is actually quite unique in that you can easily do 90% of tasks with a small bunch of tools, save having various sizes of the same thing, because the machines are versatile and do the hard part of the job for you
[22:58:20] <CaptHindsight> enleth: oh no I wouldn't :)
[22:58:24] <enleth> "even" in something like woodworking you can nowadays buy power tools whose only job is e.g. to mill a specific shape of indentation for a specific kind of joinery accessory
[22:58:43] <enleth> expensive as hell, the price is absolutely ridiculous
[22:59:13] <enleth> and yet most commercial woodworkers have one because it saves them so much time doing joinery
[23:01:50] <CaptHindsight> pneumatic ladder rung resurfacer
[23:01:54] <enleth> if I had to cut a hundred pipes a day to length, I'd buy that weirdo handheld bandsaw without hesitation
[23:02:24] <enleth> that
[23:02:28] <enleth> that's a nice one
[23:02:52] <enleth> can it actually be used to resurface anything else?
[23:03:27] <CaptHindsight> possibly but it might violate the warranty
[23:03:45] <enleth> oh, that's easy
[23:04:03] <enleth> just take whatever you want to resurface and install it in a ladder as a rung temporarily
[23:53:48] <Erant> Huh, sweet. I found a much cheaper source of high quality 8 twisted pair cables.
[23:54:21] <Erant> Infiniband cables. Found a bunch of 10m ones for $10 shipped.
[23:54:31] <Erant> Which comes out to 33c per ft.