#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-10-16

[00:10:02] <MacGalempsy> this chair is so small
[00:10:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:15:07] <MacGalempsy> its almost done.
[00:15:24] <XXCoder> hopefully not half melty lsd version lol
[00:16:34] <MacGalempsy> i still need to knock down the filament coefficient another point or two
[00:16:57] <XXCoder> oh excuses, dont sound good print ;)
[00:18:02] <MacGalempsy> lol.
[00:18:50] <MacGalempsy> the legs started out good.
[00:19:20] <XXCoder> legs is tower test and extrude retract abuse
[00:19:51] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/N4TpMd
[00:20:14] <XXCoder> not bad
[00:20:19] <MacGalempsy> not sure what happened up high
[00:20:28] <XXCoder> its because temperate changes
[00:20:53] <XXCoder> bridging changes at height, not too sure why but think its temperate
[00:20:56] <MacGalempsy> i was trying to blow on it to stiffen up the back
[00:21:05] <XXCoder> cheeeater heh jk
[00:21:34] <MacGalempsy> the bridge speed needs to increase some
[00:21:49] <XXCoder> guy who could go 200mm bridge with petg couldnt print this chair in petg
[00:22:12] <MacGalempsy> in the past i extruded the bridge faster and blew on it. it made good strong crossmembers
[00:22:12] <XXCoder> you may need to adjust retract and return settings too
[00:22:38] <XXCoder> return probably best one to test
[00:23:09] <MacGalempsy> retract .25mm
[00:23:20] <MacGalempsy> no extra on restart
[00:23:28] <XXCoder> "extra length after retraction"
[00:23:38] <XXCoder> mine is at -.25mm, but then my machinbe retract 6mm
[00:24:05] <MacGalempsy> seems like eventually there would be an inbalance
[00:24:13] <XXCoder> nah
[00:24:32] <XXCoder> in my case it stopped ALL strings zits and lines on prints
[00:24:50] <XXCoder> -.2mm still has zits, -.3mm left holes
[00:24:56] <MacGalempsy> with abs i try to get the extrusion temp low
[00:25:16] <MacGalempsy> zits could be jerk
[00:25:35] <MacGalempsy> thats what i had, then turned down the acc to 1000 and less
[00:25:51] <XXCoder> possible
[00:26:07] <XXCoder> mines all 2500 except extruder which is 10k
[00:27:52] <MacGalempsy> i wonder if retraction could be calculated on a whole step basis
[00:28:01] <XXCoder> your printer may be very slightly hitting legs
[00:28:09] <XXCoder> because other side is misaligned
[00:28:52] <MacGalempsy> i turned down the filament some
[00:29:23] <MacGalempsy> possibly at its limits
[00:32:51] <MacGalempsy> one more try and im going to bed
[00:33:45] <XXCoder> ok
[00:42:07] <MacGalempsy> i must say tho rhat if one prints with pla, it will be easier
[00:44:48] <XXCoder> definitely
[00:45:11] <XXCoder> I have blue and gold chairs that got quite close
[00:45:29] <XXCoder> gold one has impact that displated one leg a little
[00:45:54] <XXCoder> blue one is slanted heh that was how I finally noticed that flaw
[00:48:25] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/MMYE3w
[00:48:31] <MacGalempsy> a little better
[00:49:03] <XXCoder> yeah bit closer
[00:49:15] <MacGalempsy> filament could come down a little more
[00:49:47] <XXCoder> geez just noticed
[00:49:52] <XXCoder> my chair is most populkar
[00:49:56] <XXCoder> (out of my stuff)
[00:57:57] <Kevin`> I must print the chair
[00:58:29] <XXCoder> chair is god. no printer can perfect it
[00:58:32] <XXCoder> ;)
[00:58:36] <MacGalempsy> lol
[00:59:33] <MacGalempsy> bow down to chair, you unworthy bastards
[01:00:00] <XXCoder> lol
[01:00:49] <MacGalempsy> chair will bow down to me!
[01:01:49] <MacGalempsy> the whole print thing came down to me getting a vmc...
[01:03:20] <MacGalempsy> the next thing for me is print a shell, then cast it
[01:03:42] <XXCoder> VMC? remind me heh
[01:03:54] <MacGalempsy> vertical milling center
[01:04:09] <XXCoder> ahh
[01:04:58] <MacGalempsy> aiming towards making a plastic injection machine with the castings
[01:06:25] <XXCoder> my new mill http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cnc-machine-built-using-a-lego-mindstorms-nxt_.jpg
[01:07:00] <MacGalempsy> heh. no tool changer?
[01:07:09] <XXCoder> http://www.inverso.pt/legos/ImagesParts/varias/LEGOmold.jpg this type of castng?
[01:07:32] <MacGalempsy> yeah. kind of
[01:07:57] <XXCoder> heh lego goes to .000001 level of precision if I recall
[01:08:03] <XXCoder> 7 sigificant digits
[01:08:31] <MacGalempsy> of what? a mile?
[01:08:51] <MacGalempsy> http://www.abplasticinjectors.com/en/ab-400
[01:10:09] <MacGalempsy> check out the vertical mast that hilds the injector
[01:12:10] <XXCoder> mm I think
[01:12:17] <XXCoder> desche comany after all
[01:12:30] <XXCoder> looking
[01:13:00] <XXCoder> http://www.abplasticinjectors.com/cms/images/large/ab400.png
[01:13:11] <XXCoder> the metal "cage" part on top?
[01:13:39] <AndChat|234416> the blue vertical thing
[01:14:47] <XXCoder> ahh
[01:15:35] <AndChat-234416> ok
[01:16:17] <AndChat-234416> so like print the shell, pack sand around it, then pour.
[01:17:09] <MacGalempsy-> after they are poured, mill the mounting areas
[01:20:11] <mikeh> anyone ever used/seen/have an opinion on something like this? http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?ype=products&category=easy-servo-products&productype=integrated-easy-servo-motors&series=iES-23&model=iES-2320
[01:27:51] <MacGalempsy> print this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:64981
[01:28:26] <XXCoder> Kevin`: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1447214
[01:28:28] <XXCoder> that is awesome
[01:30:58] <XXCoder> lol fancy
[01:31:41] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: that thing would be perfect complement for my cnc router :)
[01:31:44] <XXCoder> suck in dust
[01:41:20] <XXCoder> hey Kevin` ?
[01:41:29] <Kevin`> ?
[01:41:51] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:721620/
[01:41:55] <XXCoder> made that one?
[01:42:17] <Kevin`> not yet, thought it might be useful to try though
[01:42:37] <MacGalempsy> i just requisitioned it from the sketchup warehouse. i was supposed to be a joke
[01:42:57] <XXCoder> probably diffulkt to print mac
[01:46:10] <XXCoder> one of bigger issue with probe is that my machine have very short z height
[01:46:45] <XXCoder> that probe is pretty short but spike wiuld make it impossible lol
[02:06:27] <MacGalempsy> heh. thats why it was a joke.
[02:06:56] <MacGalempsy> im off to bed. good night.
[02:27:02] <Deejay> moin
[05:11:12] <jthornton> morning
[05:12:40] <XXCoder> yo
[05:12:52] <XXCoder> did I tell you that im done adding legs?
[05:27:46] <jthornton> no, how did that come out?
[05:27:55] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/IMG_20161015_210029-YKiAIeNW.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20161015_210015-SgemsOOO.jpg
[05:40:11] <jthornton> cool, got some 2020 risers too
[05:40:32] <XXCoder> planning on legs too eh :) heeey copycat ;)
[05:43:22] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/i3-clone-03.jpg
[05:43:35] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/10mm-Y-Axis-01.jpg
[05:44:13] <XXCoder> I wonder if your leg had side walls would it benefit as corner aligner too
[05:46:24] <XXCoder> though that would be a problem if 2020 extrusions was not same length on sides hm
[05:48:25] <jthornton> yea, the inside 90 takes care of that angle and the bottom takes care of up and down alignment
[05:48:48] <XXCoder> yeah what remains is extrusion align with other one at end
[05:48:56] <XXCoder> but maybe thats not important
[05:59:57] <jthornton> got the 10mm rails put together for the Y axis, just need to draw up the larger bearing holder and print them
[06:00:08] <jthornton> it's much stiffer than the 8mm rods
[06:02:43] <XXCoder> nice!
[06:08:38] <XXCoder> jt what ya think of using screws for X and Y too?
[06:08:53] <XXCoder> though im not sure how decouplers would work at those positions lol
[06:09:20] <XXCoder> probably in form of U, so it works both ways but free to slide "wrong way" so it dont affect print
[06:13:22] <jthornton> I think screws would be too slow
[06:13:33] <XXCoder> I thought so...
[06:13:39] <XXCoder> till I saw pink_vampire's machine
[06:13:48] <XXCoder> her mill is big and heavy
[06:13:55] <XXCoder> and prints faster thgan mine
[06:14:27] <XXCoder> acceration have to be lower thats my guess
[06:14:28] <XXCoder> but yeah
[06:20:47] <jthornton> well yea if you have the motors to spin a fast lead ball screw you can really go fast, our little printers are only 12v steppers
[06:21:07] <jthornton> my plasma to go 600IPM has 60v steppers
[06:21:10] <jthornton> for example
[06:21:19] <XXCoder> makes sense
[06:24:33] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:24:37] <XXCoder> yo
[06:26:11] <pink_vampire> the current settings on my machine is 2000mm/min velocity, and 300mm/s acceleration
[06:27:20] <pink_vampire> jthornton: XXCoder
[06:27:38] <XXCoder> 2000mm/m is 60 mm/s
[06:27:39] <XXCoder> ?
[06:28:21] <pink_vampire> i have to limit that
[06:30:37] <pink_vampire> it's like in a car you can put large motor so you can accelerate fast to your cruise speed
[06:31:37] <XXCoder> 300mm/s^2 eh interesting. mines so light that I can get away with 2500mm/s^2
[06:31:43] <pink_vampire> with 300mm/s is get to the final speed in 0.1sec
[06:32:26] <pink_vampire> that because you are using belts
[06:32:28] <XXCoder> acceration means how fast it can GAIN speed
[06:32:38] <XXCoder> yeah ligher then easier to gain speed
[06:32:39] <pink_vampire> yes
[06:35:31] <pink_vampire> it's basically mean that you need less travel to go to accelerate the axis to the final speed, so is your acceleration value is bigger it's mean that you can travel short distances faster
[06:35:54] <XXCoder> heh I know physics :P
[06:36:11] <XXCoder> I took algbera physics AND calculus physics courses in college
[06:36:25] <XXCoder> trust me latter was quite hard and enjoyable :)
[06:36:35] <pink_vampire> cool
[06:38:39] <pink_vampire> at this point i cant see any benefits to speeds above 2000mm/min the prints looks like garbage
[06:42:23] <XXCoder> yeah its voodoo
[06:42:32] <XXCoder> balance of cooling, print speed, son on
[06:42:37] <XXCoder> 8so on
[06:48:55] <TurBoss> Hi
[06:49:08] <TurBoss> what kind of motor have the less movement posible?
[06:49:17] <TurBoss> brushless?
[06:49:49] <XXCoder> less movement possible?
[06:50:24] <TurBoss> my stepers at 16 microsteps don't move low enough for my galvo testings
[06:50:57] <XXCoder> trying to understand what youre saying
[06:51:02] <XXCoder> slow enough?
[06:51:09] <TurBoss> yes
[06:51:11] <TurBoss> :)
[06:51:18] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:51:23] <XXCoder> well there is geared steppers
[06:51:30] <TurBoss> ahhhh yes...
[06:51:35] <XXCoder> planetary gearing, from 5:1 to 25:1
[06:51:57] * TurBoss is searching now
[06:52:21] <TurBoss> thank you
[06:52:33] <XXCoder> no problem
[06:53:07] <TurBoss> phew Step Angle 0.018°
[06:53:09] <TurBoss> very cool
[06:53:17] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:53:32] <archivist> I would not use steppers for galvos
[06:53:55] <TurBoss> what do you recomend?
[06:54:16] <TurBoss> it don't has to be very fast
[06:54:52] <TurBoss> is for stereolitography
[06:55:48] <sync> then it should be very fast otherwise it takes ages
[06:56:00] <sync> galvos are ok, bldcs are as good as the feedback they use
[06:56:05] <sync> dc servos as well
[06:56:40] <XXCoder> hazards of working at shop lol almost stepped on what looks like steel chip, good sized one
[06:56:44] <XXCoder> in my room
[06:56:48] <XXCoder> barefoot
[07:24:00] <TurBoss> bye
[07:24:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: printing anything?
[07:26:46] <pink_vampire> i'm working on a box
[07:27:04] <XXCoder> milling shop or print?
[07:27:25] <XXCoder> im printing 2 cm^2 cube once again. lol
[07:28:00] <XXCoder> I probably will have enough to build a new house with those :P
[07:28:26] <XXCoder> hey jthornton ?
[07:29:00] <jthornton> hey
[07:29:22] <XXCoder> I recently did tests
[07:29:28] <XXCoder> my nozzle is now 0.44 lol
[07:29:45] <XXCoder> adjusted it and now printing to see if it does indeed fix size issues
[07:31:19] <jthornton> mine is pretty much coming out to size
[07:31:25] * jthornton heads out to the shop now
[07:32:31] <XXCoder> yeah glow in dark made my printer nozzle grow
[07:39:05] <JT-Shop> my lcd keeps messing up and displaying strange stuff
[07:39:16] <XXCoder> hm check connector
[07:39:35] <XXCoder> oh youre at different computer lket me repeat what i said (no worries only one line lol)
[07:39:40] <XXCoder> yeah glow in dark made my printer nozzle grow
[07:39:50] <XXCoder> or possible it was just made wrong
[07:41:06] <JT-Shop> what would I check for in addition to it being plugged in
[07:41:38] <XXCoder> warm or olvious burnt lines I guess?
[07:41:47] <XXCoder> the ribbon wires
[07:45:41] <JT-i3> changing filament is so easy on the new extruder with a knob to feed with
[07:46:06] <XXCoder> nice
[07:46:20] <XXCoder> I just loosen and push it all way to hotbox lol
[07:46:43] <JT-i3> this one has a spring button you push to feed it in
[07:46:53] <XXCoder> yeah I want that too lol but evenually
[07:47:33] <JT-i3> for <$40 it seems like a real nice extruder
[07:48:09] <JT-i3> the filament path is constrained right up to the feed thing
[07:48:53] <JT-i3> here goes another print of the X axis for the E3D
[07:50:45] <JT-i3> it's amazing how fast you can burn up a roll of filament lol
[07:51:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:54:00] * archivist points at the real milling machine and a bit of al
[07:54:37] <XXCoder> depends on what wanna make
[07:54:47] <XXCoder> I have something you cannot machine
[07:54:57] <XXCoder> not mill, not lathe, not cast injection
[07:55:10] <JT-i3> you can't mill what I'm printing
[07:56:02] <XXCoder> I might be wrong on cast injection, but its simple part but insanely complex mold probably, with aucations
[07:56:15] <JT-i3> if I've not solved my bridging issue I can't print it either lol
[07:56:35] <JT-i3> can't mold the hollow honeycomb
[08:01:19] <JT-Shop> https://www.amazon.com/Anycubic-Graphic-Display-Controller-Printer/dp/B0151H6XWK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1476620938&sr=8-4&keywords=ramps+display
[08:02:33] <XXCoder> not very expensive
[08:03:53] <JT-Shop> prime too
[08:04:09] <JT-Shop> have to print a new case for it lol
[08:04:14] <XXCoder> yup
[08:04:21] <XXCoder> found whatrs wrong with it?
[08:04:47] <JT-Shop> mine, no it just goes wonky from time to time I shut down and start back up
[08:04:58] <JT-Shop> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MZ5Q5QG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A5DYEO52AC1J4
[08:05:00] <XXCoder> interesting mine never did nthat
[08:05:06] <JT-Shop> that the right glue stick?
[08:05:15] <XXCoder> yep, you'll love it
[08:05:16] <JT-Shop> prob a bad solder joint
[08:05:34] <XXCoder> go to dollar store and buy $1 frame too. 8x10" lol
[08:05:45] <XXCoder> use backing for bottom an glass top
[08:05:48] <JT-i3> still having bridging issues
[08:05:58] <XXCoder> try .8 extrude for bridge
[08:11:00] <XXCoder> also tend to need more fan for bridge
[08:11:12] <XXCoder> my printer bridging suffered when I removed double duct.
[08:14:35] <JT-i3> I think slowing down for a bridge was wrong
[08:14:53] <XXCoder> mine dont do that
[08:15:09] <XXCoder> just lessen extrude ( 0.8 ) and more fans to solidify it faster
[08:15:32] <XXCoder> nozzle size - more precise it is, the more easier bridging is.
[08:20:05] <Jymmm> How tight of a radius do you think I could bend 1/4" OD thick-walled (I don't remember the ID) SS tubing?
[08:21:42] <JT-i3> to many unknown factors to guess
[08:22:10] <XXCoder> well could test if can afford I suppose
[08:22:25] <XXCoder> I remember reading about pressured interior, and other one using springs
[08:22:32] <XXCoder> so it stays mostly round
[08:24:23] <JT-i3> what layer height are you using?
[08:24:31] <XXCoder> .2mm usually.
[08:24:39] <XXCoder> .225mm for first layer
[08:24:43] <JT-i3> I need to try that
[08:24:50] <XXCoder> whats you been using
[08:25:12] <JT-i3> 0.3 0.35
[08:25:31] <XXCoder> .3mm is good for something to print faster
[08:25:38] <tiwake> XXCoder is still talking about it?
[08:25:40] <XXCoder> .35 is too large, max size is .32
[08:25:55] <XXCoder> cant go past 80% of nozzle size
[08:26:00] <JT-i3> ok
[08:29:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I have a bending spring, just not sure how much to "push my luck" is all
[08:29:11] <XXCoder> nice
[08:29:19] <XXCoder> you heard of pressured type?
[08:29:48] <Jymmm> was that to me?
[08:30:01] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:30:06] <XXCoder> pressure inside of pipe
[08:30:07] <XXCoder> bend
[08:30:10] <Jymmm> no, I haven't
[08:30:13] <XXCoder> it stays round due to pressure
[08:30:19] <XXCoder> im sure its uncommon
[08:30:43] <JT-i3> Jymmm: get a bending tool for brake lines
[08:31:16] <Jymmm> Well, I got this as "scrap" from SS tubing supplier, so anything is possible
[08:32:25] <Jymmm> JT-i3: I have a bending sprint if that matters
[08:32:30] <Jymmm> spring*
[08:32:45] <XXCoder> JT-i3: I highly recommand just rise hotbox high then comman extrude, find what size it extrudes.
[08:32:49] <XXCoder> then do wall calbration
[08:32:54] <XXCoder> much better quality print.
[08:37:17] <tiwake> Jymmm: get that soft tube brake line stuff... sheesh
[08:37:21] <JT-i3> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5573
[08:37:52] <tiwake> JT-i3: lol... when clicking on that link, I was expecting something from the movie the thing
[08:38:29] <XXCoder> JT-i3: get a cube 2 cm^3, set only one parameter, no top shells, no infill, turn off detect thin walls
[08:39:14] <XXCoder> it should print only "box". check walls thickness, do (ideal thickness .4mm)/.(real size) for extrude ratio
[08:39:21] <XXCoder> repeat till around same
[08:39:46] <JT-i3> ok
[08:40:24] <XXCoder> thats why i suggest do nozzle extrude first, so you find out real nozzle size first.
[08:40:29] <XXCoder> mine is apparently .46mm
[08:40:30] <JT-i3> bridging is much better now
[08:40:37] <XXCoder> what was changes?
[08:41:33] <JT-i3> I put the bridge speed back to 60 and the extrude to 0.8
[08:42:34] <XXCoder> nice.
[08:42:37] <XXCoder> https://www.deltarap.org/printing-undersized-holes/ btw
[08:43:10] <XXCoder> my print quality was already quite good, but now huge jump in accuracy. 8mm is now 8.03mm hole.
[08:43:15] <XXCoder> er feature lol
[08:46:26] <tiwake> XXCoder: I'm still "meh" about the plastic extrusion type rapid prototyping method...
[08:46:43] <XXCoder> I got it for fun really
[08:46:54] <tiwake> is it?
[08:46:59] <XXCoder> im STILL waiting for the damned cnc router poarts to arrive..
[08:47:05] <JT-i3> I extruded 25mm and it measures 0.5
[08:47:19] <JT-i3> I assume it expands as it comes out of the nozzle?
[08:47:26] <XXCoder> make it go real slow
[08:47:34] <XXCoder> I used 5 mm/s extrude speed
[08:47:46] <XXCoder> then try to find most consient size
[08:48:36] <JT-i3> lol I was on 300 mm/s
[08:49:19] <JT-i3> 0.42
[08:55:11] <miss0r> I am looking for a sizeable magnetic base to use in a project(EDM). I have no idea what thoes are called. it seems to me that the most common one is the one sold with a dial indicator. that seems a bit flimsy to me. I would love to have something twice the size. Do you know of such a unit? (name/call name/brand ect.)
[08:55:30] <XXCoder> NOGA for one
[08:55:37] <XXCoder> few companies make em
[08:56:01] <XXCoder> chinese ones tend to be .. tiny
[08:56:09] <miss0r> they have a higher grapping force?
[08:56:26] <XXCoder> more than chinese ones yeah I cant lift it off metal surface
[08:56:37] <XXCoder> well havent tried to for while lol
[08:56:57] <miss0r> lift is one thing. I am thinking what I need has to have a larger contact surface, as I will most likely have some load force off center
[08:58:02] <Magnifikus> http://pasteboard.co/fkCqXhy6o.png will it mill?
[08:58:06] <JT-i3> miss0r: it's a magnetic chuck
[08:58:17] <JT-i3> surface grinders use them
[08:58:30] <XXCoder> Magnifikus: I guess it can. how much force no idea
[08:58:39] <miss0r> so the noga is a chuck ? :S
[08:58:44] <JT-i3> wow it says 5:20 to print
[08:58:54] <XXCoder> NOGA makes many stuff
[08:58:56] <Magnifikus> XXCoder, light and no metal :)
[08:59:05] <XXCoder> like deburr tools to magnetic base for dial indictor
[08:59:24] <Magnifikus> cause the dust and the spindles dont like eachother
[08:59:28] <XXCoder> Magnifikus: that isnt aluminium?
[08:59:38] <Magnifikus> the thing itself is alumium
[08:59:41] <miss0r> What I need(I think I need) is just a larger version of the standard base that are normally used with test indicators
[08:59:48] <XXCoder> oh materials
[08:59:50] <Magnifikus> light cuts
[08:59:54] <miss0r> that looks nice
[09:00:09] <miss0r> high RPM, light cuts. that 'should work'
[09:00:11] <JT-i3> Mine is Ceramax permanent magnet chuck
[09:00:13] <XXCoder> that can make for very good CMM too Magnifikus
[09:00:17] <XXCoder> something to think about
[09:00:24] <Magnifikus> cmm?
[09:00:44] <JT-i3> guess I can get some milling done if the part takes 5h 20m to print lol
[09:00:48] <XXCoder> computer mesturing machine (cant spell worth crap now)
[09:00:52] <Magnifikus> my roadmap shows, 3d print, laser engrave, pcb route, solderpaste, P&P and light milling
[09:00:53] <XXCoder> it digitalizes thing
[09:01:02] <Magnifikus> ah touching yep
[09:01:36] <Magnifikus> angled probes to touch from sides :)
[09:01:55] <XXCoder> different probe ends
[09:01:59] <Magnifikus> yeah
[09:02:30] <miss0r> I wonder if I can buy a replacement permamagnetic drill base as a spare somewhere. that should have plenty force
[09:03:13] <Magnifikus> time to fire up the zynq board and solder my stepper drivers :)
[09:03:55] <XXCoder> JT-i3: geez had to do wall calibration, I changed nozzle size without checking that again. flow ratio is once again 1
[09:08:13] <miss0r> XXCoder: I found a magnetic base rated at 130kg pull force. it has a larger base. I think that might do the trick...
[09:08:23] <XXCoder> nice
[09:18:20] <nubcake> hi
[09:19:26] <MacGalempsy> hi
[09:19:31] <XXCoder> yo
[09:19:36] <BeachBumPete> alo
[09:19:48] <nubcake> yo yo yo
[09:19:50] <nubcake> :D
[09:19:59] <XXCoder> oy
[09:20:58] <MacGalempsy> pete you know we wint stop asking until its wired up. whats up with the vmc today?
[09:21:10] <nubcake> lol
[09:21:13] <BeachBumPete> well its out there ;)
[09:21:25] * nubcake is curious if the vmc's already up and running
[09:21:26] <XXCoder> so are aliens heh
[09:21:27] <BeachBumPete> I spent a bit of time yesterday cleaning up the machine and the shop
[09:21:42] <MacGalempsy> heh. did you spend the evening rubbing it w a diaper?
[09:21:54] <MacGalempsy> ahhhh lol
[09:22:08] <BeachBumPete> unfortunately even tho it was fully tarped during the transport it got quite dirty
[09:22:16] <BeachBumPete> heh sorta
[09:23:57] <MacGalempsy> i need to clean up some chips, too. mine is getting full
[09:24:08] <BeachBumPete> I need to get some plywood for cribbage
[09:24:23] <nubcake> http://abload.de/img/img-20161015-wa00387pkb9.jpeg took an old control cabinet (small one) and threw in all the stuff that was in the even smaller control-box that came with the machine.. didn't get too far though :(
[09:25:18] <nubcake> took ages to fit the parts properly, sucks if you don't have a punch-press so i had to drill all the holes, saw some of the square ones
[09:25:30] <nubcake> (hydraulic punch press iirc)
[09:26:13] <nubcake> still have to add a fan on top of the cabinet
[09:26:25] <nubcake> and put in circuit breakers and relais
[09:27:32] <nubcake> maybe a contactor for the spindle? not sure about that yet
[09:28:56] <JT-i3> I guess I need to recalibrate after changing the layer height...
[09:30:19] <MacGalempsy> JT-i3: you should try XXCoder's chair print
[09:30:42] <XXCoder> the chair is god. the god is chair
[09:31:50] <MacGalempsy> apparently no one can print it perfectly
[09:32:11] <XXCoder> I almost did it couple time. other guy would have but didnt have full fan system
[09:33:01] <MacGalempsy> sureee you did...I think thats the chair communion wine talking
[09:33:46] <JT-i3> trying to print a 0.5 thin wall part but the g code has no wall
[09:34:16] <XXCoder> lol
[09:34:22] <BeachBumPete> man I am gonna need to find a place to stick these kayaks....
[09:34:27] <XXCoder> JT-i3: just do a solid cube
[09:34:38] <BeachBumPete> moving them in and out of the shop is getting tiresome
[09:34:39] <XXCoder> turn off infill, top shells, and set peremeters to 1
[09:34:47] <XXCoder> AND turn off detect thin walls
[09:35:02] <XXCoder> that should give you exactly one thickness wall.
[09:36:12] <MacGalempsy> hang them from the eves
[09:36:38] <JT-i3> ok that worked
[09:37:19] <JT-i3> BeachBumPete: you can store them in my shop
[09:37:41] <BeachBumPete> I could do that actually because the eaves of my new house are quite wide. I never had a house like that before and it is something I think ALL homes should have now. When it rains you can just stand under there and we even grill under them when it is raining etc.
[09:38:30] <BeachBumPete> JT-i3 would be hard for me to get them when I want to go kayak fishing ;)
[09:38:32] <JT-i3> I built mine with 24" overhang
[09:38:34] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: I loved those
[09:38:41] <XXCoder> old home at Ark state had one
[09:38:49] <XXCoder> thunderstorm is enjoyable
[09:38:51] <JT-i3> be easy for me to get them when I want to float
[09:39:34] <BeachBumPete> yeah sorry man
[09:39:43] <BeachBumPete> I really need a big shed I think
[09:39:54] <BeachBumPete> but its gonna be awhile before I can swing one
[09:39:59] * JT-i3 puts a pistol in his pocket and goes to get the paper
[09:40:06] <XXCoder> JT-i3: dont forget: (your nozzle setting) / (wall thickness) set that in extrusion multipler till wall matches nozzle
[09:40:08] <MacGalempsy> in the right spot, one could even back the truck under them and avoid to loads
[09:40:56] <XXCoder> JT-i3: https://github.com/alexrj/Slic3r/wiki/Calibration
[09:41:42] <BeachBumPete> the only problem with that idea is that I dont really want to telegraph that I have them outside at all ya know keep honest people honest
[09:44:36] <MacGalempsy> i hear that pete.
[09:44:54] <MacGalempsy> you could always put a chain thru them
[09:44:57] <BeachBumPete> I was thinking of hanging them from the ceiling in the shop but honestly we have four of them and I don't have enough space when you consider the garage doors
[09:45:21] <BeachBumPete> my wife said to make a rack out back and put a chain thru them and put a cover over them...
[09:45:30] <MacGalempsy> weld up an angled wall rack
[09:45:50] <MacGalempsy> bolt it to some studs
[09:45:54] <BeachBumPete> now there's an idea
[09:46:11] <MacGalempsy> look like a kayak dealer. lol
[09:48:04] <BeachBumPete> I might have to try that. If I made the rack out of steel and bolted it to the house I can then put a cable thru the scupper holes
[09:49:29] <MacGalempsy> https://www.storeyourboard.com/freestanding-5-kayak-storage-rack/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwyozABRDtgPTM0taCrKsBEiQATk6xDseFedOAOOoY-3_0Z3avJOzHWRvoykaQj305Gz64XaAaAm0D8P8HAQ
[09:49:56] <MacGalempsy> not quite what i had in mind, but very cool
[09:50:16] <MacGalempsy> we just have an old town canoe
[09:51:15] <BeachBumPete> http://www.talic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/BAYSIDE_4Brackets.t-300x300.jpg
[09:51:54] <BeachBumPete> http://www.suspenzkayakstorage.com/files/2035439/Free-StandingRacks/WallRacks/Kayak%20Center%20of%20Rhode%20Island%20FLAT%20Rack%20Display.jpg
[09:52:13] <MacGalempsy> yeaaaa.
[09:52:53] <MacGalempsy> if you could stack them like that AND be on wheels, that would be awesome
[09:53:05] <MacGalempsy> http://www.kayracks.com/wall.html
[09:53:48] <JT-i3> where do you find the theoretical Slic3r width
[09:53:56] <JT-i3> BeachBumPete: make a rack on wheels
[09:54:08] <BeachBumPete> jeez man some of these people are really proud of these cheapass racks they sell ;)
[09:54:12] <XXCoder> JT-i3: its just nozzle size
[09:54:18] <JT-i3> ok
[09:57:47] <BeachBumPete> the big issue really is that the four kayaks together are quite large and long even when we stack them atop one another directly they are pretty high...
[09:58:02] <BeachBumPete> our Sea ghosts are like 35 inches wide at the widest point
[09:58:05] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Hmmm, aluminum. I suppose due to the wet environment, but I would think that powder coating would resolve that.
[09:58:11] <BeachBumPete> the kids yaks are almost as wide
[10:00:01] <MacGalempsy> ouch. those are bigger than my canoe!
[10:00:10] <sync> BeachBumPete: you could cut them into nice pieces that you can store somewhere else
[10:00:24] <BeachBumPete> har har har
[10:00:32] <BeachBumPete> yeah they are pretty large
[10:00:41] <BeachBumPete> the Ghost is 13 foot
[10:02:31] <MacGalempsy> so i am curious if this dehumidifier water quality will make better concrete
[10:03:15] <MacGalempsy> more reactions due to the lack of ions
[10:03:52] <BeachBumPete> I must say I am pretty impressed with the HF Porta Power unit I bought it makes a fantastic toe jack...
[10:04:23] <BeachBumPete> and you can push,pull, spread, you name it I am sure I will have many uses for this beastie
[10:06:19] <JT-Shop> I had a good one a long time ago but it grew legs...
[10:06:26] <MacGalempsy> manual or electric?
[10:06:34] * JT-Shop makes some chips now lol
[10:06:35] <BeachBumPete> its just manual
[10:07:03] <BeachBumPete> it has a pump unit and it is quite easy to pump even when lifting my 7k lb VMC
[10:15:37] <MacGalempsy> the injection machine i have in mind will use a forklift hydraulic motor. only 24v
[10:24:11] <BeachBumPete> kewl
[10:38:05] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan. tell me about finding gold
[10:39:04] <zeeshan> there is a lot of fine sand there
[10:39:10] <zeeshan> it almost looks like a beach, the whole area
[10:39:25] <zeeshan> 4 feet under it goes from light sand to black sand
[10:39:51] <zeeshan> we panned both the top layer and bottom layer
[10:39:54] <zeeshan> top layer didnt have anything
[10:40:02] <zeeshan> bottom layer had 1-2 specs of gold
[10:40:13] <zeeshan> like im talking
[10:40:20] <zeeshan> pin size specs
[10:40:21] <zeeshan> tiny
[10:40:34] <SpeedEvil> yay
[10:40:43] <SpeedEvil> I found gold the other day.
[10:40:47] <SpeedEvil> It was in an envelope.
[11:06:20] <zeeshan> man i can't believe
[11:06:21] <zeeshan> how good hsm is
[11:06:27] <zeeshan> in comparison to mastercam
[11:06:31] <zeeshan> it's SO userfriendly
[11:06:55] <zeeshan> the main fail i see is full customization of tool paths
[11:07:01] <zeeshan> it doesn't seem like it's as strong
[11:09:20] <BeachBumPete> well I think I got my temporary kayak storage rack sorted out. I am gonna take the skids out from under the CNC lathe, actually just did that, and screw them to a pair of furniture dollies then sit the kayaks atop that one on top of the other with something soft inbetween and then strap the whole mess so I can just roll it in and out of the shop when I need to work out there :)
[11:09:51] <zeeshan> is your new garage bigger/smaller/same size as your last one?
[11:10:02] <BeachBumPete> smaller unfortunately
[11:10:20] <BeachBumPete> but its not really the problem... my old shop had almost a ten foot ceiling
[11:10:39] <BeachBumPete> I was able to stand the kayaks on end and cut a hole into the attick and shove them up thru there quite nicely
[11:11:05] <BeachBumPete> here that is not really an option or at least I don't want to cut big holes in my shop ceiling here.
[11:14:46] <BeachBumPete> at least this way I can roll them in and out without having to ask my wife to help me that is ALWAYS good policy ;)
[11:22:01] <zeeshan> ah
[11:22:06] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: are you using fusion btw?
[11:22:46] <zeeshan> about your kayaks
[11:22:50] <zeeshan> can you store them in the backyard?
[11:22:54] <BeachBumPete> no I am not but I am considering it
[11:23:00] <zeeshan> it's not like they'll weather!
[11:23:12] <zeeshan> like hang em on the alley way wall
[11:23:13] <BeachBumPete> actually they will the Florida sun is a BITCH
[11:23:18] <zeeshan> ah shit
[11:23:50] <BeachBumPete> I am planning on tig welding up a four yak rack that will sit atop my 5x9 utiltiy trailer
[11:24:17] <BeachBumPete> but I need something to keep them on that I can move around easily so I can work in the shop on the machines etc.
[11:24:23] <BeachBumPete> they are BIG kayaks
[11:24:33] <zeeshan> how long?
[11:24:38] <zeeshan> 10 ft or so?
[11:24:52] <BeachBumPete> 13 foot long plus by 35 inches wide
[11:25:02] <zeeshan> that's a damn canoe :)
[11:25:08] <BeachBumPete> they are big
[11:25:19] <zeeshan> i need to get over my fear
[11:25:22] <BeachBumPete> it is basically a one person canoe yeah
[11:25:31] <zeeshan> we portaged a lot this summer
[11:25:36] <BeachBumPete> but it is very stable and comfortable
[11:25:37] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to be able to go thru the rapids
[11:25:41] <zeeshan> i'm not planning to do that on a canoe
[11:25:44] <zeeshan> even tho some people do that
[11:26:01] <zeeshan> kayaks seem like they're much more manouverible
[11:26:16] <zeeshan> maneuverable
[11:26:45] <BeachBumPete> they are generally very maneuverable mine is so so but it is pretty fast to paddle so there is a tradeoff
[11:27:01] <BeachBumPete> long and thin goes straighter faster
[11:27:19] <BeachBumPete> short and stubby goes around curves much faster but is harder to keep going in a straight line generally
[11:27:31] <BeachBumPete> mine also has a built in rudder that has foot controls
[11:27:39] <BeachBumPete> helps in turns in tigher areas
[11:27:55] <MacGalempsy> pete the temporary rack sounds good.
[11:28:07] <BeachBumPete> It will have to do until I can figure out something else
[11:28:22] <MacGalempsy> zeesgan: so the black sand has the gold?
[11:28:22] <BeachBumPete> right now we stack the kayaks in the garage each night and its getting old
[11:30:11] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: yes
[11:30:15] <zeeshan> unless its fools good :)
[11:30:16] <zeeshan> gold
[11:30:17] <zeeshan> :)
[11:30:26] <zeeshan> i was trying to use the multimeter technique
[11:30:29] <zeeshan> trying to measure resistance
[11:30:34] <zeeshan> but it's so small i cant probe it
[11:30:35] <zeeshan> lol
[11:31:31] <MacGalempsy> lol. u want to use specific gravity oils
[11:31:39] <BeachBumPete> pyrite?
[11:33:17] <zeeshan> pyrite looks like gold
[11:33:22] <zeeshan> commonly called fools gold
[11:33:28] <zeeshan> its basically hydrogen sulfide
[11:33:38] <archivist> cubic shape though
[11:33:41] <zeeshan> gold is a good conductor while pyrite isnt tho
[11:33:52] <zeeshan> so if you measure resistance of pyrite, you'll get a huge number
[11:33:53] <archivist> easy to tell from the real thingTM
[11:33:57] <zeeshan> gold it'll be very close to 0
[11:34:06] <zeeshan> archivist: i've never seen both side by side
[11:34:12] <zeeshan> so hard for me to tell
[11:34:28] <archivist> we only found the fools crap
[11:35:01] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: that whole area on the way
[11:35:06] <zeeshan> was littered with kimberlite
[11:35:10] <zeeshan> massive bolders
[11:35:18] <zeeshan> boulders
[11:35:42] <zeeshan> i was trying to be a hero and break a chunk of it
[11:35:48] <zeeshan> lets just say, that did not happen :)
[11:35:48] <BeachBumPete> they have a museum here that has the treasure from the local carribean wrecks. They have a BIG bar of solid gold in there and it is encased in a thick bullet proof plastic shroud that allows you to fit your hand in there and pick up the gold bar but it cannot be removed.... I always try to scratch off a little bit underneth my fingernails :)
[11:35:49] <MacGalempsy> kimberlite is where diamonds are known to be found
[11:36:12] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: ROFL
[11:36:13] <zeeshan> nice
[11:36:19] <BeachBumPete> hehehe
[11:36:37] <BeachBumPete> It is kinda cool to hold a bar of Solid gold that big for some reason :0
[11:36:47] <zeeshan> dude
[11:36:50] <zeeshan> it definitely is
[11:36:58] <MacGalempsy> in CA the museums on the okd gold highway have gotten hit
[11:37:08] <MacGalempsy> okd = old
[11:37:36] <zeeshan> hit how?
[11:37:38] <zeeshan> robbed?
[11:38:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah.
[11:39:09] <MacGalempsy> one was like an electric door and the guys had a hhge nugget like ten pounds but dropped it as the doors started closing
[11:39:24] <MacGalempsy> they got out tho
[11:49:40] <zeeshan> !
[11:55:36] <AlSmt> Nick001, you get your turret running?
[12:05:21] <Nick001> runs good now - spindle drive is last big hookup - then tune motors
[12:08:46] <Nick001> lunch time - then to the shop for more of the Hardinge
[12:21:39] <BeachBumPete> are you retrofitting another hardinge?
[12:27:48] <zeeshan> man
[12:27:51] <zeeshan> i cant believe
[12:27:56] <zeeshan> ive been dealing with mastercam bullshit this long
[12:28:00] <zeeshan> i really cant believe!
[12:28:08] <BeachBumPete> I love Mastercam
[12:28:12] <zeeshan> dude
[12:28:14] <zeeshan> trustttttttttt me!
[12:28:18] <zeeshan> grab fusion and try hsm
[12:28:22] <zeeshan> you'll love it
[12:28:24] <zeeshan> if you love mastercam
[12:28:34] <zeeshan> its like mastercam but much easier to use
[12:29:26] <BeachBumPete> I suppose never tried them
[12:29:52] <BeachBumPete> but I do know where I was working Mastercam was the Goto program for the vast majority of the shops in that area
[12:30:11] <zeeshan> you know me
[12:30:13] <zeeshan> im anal about things
[12:30:25] <BeachBumPete> Oh boy do I ;)
[12:30:33] <zeeshan> i wont invest into trying new things because i feel like it'd be a waste of time
[12:30:42] <zeeshan> (for cad/cam)
[12:31:06] <BeachBumPete> which makes me wonder why you are not pushing catia or something here instead of a cheap/free option
[12:31:19] <zeeshan> ive used catia and siemens
[12:31:20] <zeeshan> nx
[12:31:24] <zeeshan> they're both worse than mastercam
[12:31:39] <zeeshan> (in my opinion)
[12:31:45] <zeeshan> if people thought mastercam was hard to use
[12:31:48] <zeeshan> try either one of those software!
[12:32:01] <zeeshan> and the reality seems to be
[12:32:04] <zeeshan> autodesk has come in
[12:32:10] <zeeshan> and absolutely swept out the competition
[12:32:16] <BeachBumPete> mastercam IS not easy to use but it can do most anything seemingly
[12:32:44] <zeeshan> have you tried to modify the post processor for mastercam
[12:32:46] <zeeshan> its a fucking mess
[12:32:46] <zeeshan> lol
[12:32:54] <zeeshan> there is a 400 page manual for it
[12:32:59] <BeachBumPete> actually I have :)
[12:33:01] <zeeshan> which is ofcourse something you need to buy!
[12:33:39] <BeachBumPete> my friend in Tennessee Sammy was trying to create a post for a nardini lathe and I kinda helped him SOME
[12:34:09] <mikeh> i use Fusion 360 just for the CAM
[12:34:16] <mikeh> it's quite good.
[12:34:48] <BeachBumPete> I am tempted to try it simply because of the good recommendations and the cheap/free thing helps too
[12:35:06] <mikeh> the actual modelling program is decent as well
[12:35:48] <zeeshan> mikeh: its no inventor
[12:35:49] <mikeh> but the CAM is HSMWorks....which i always used with SolidWorks
[12:35:50] <zeeshan> but it does a good job
[12:36:00] <mikeh> so having HSM for free is pretty nice :D
[12:36:37] <mikeh> there was always the free version of HSM, but it did only 2.5D. So it's kinda cool to have the 3d path options
[12:37:09] <zeeshan> its 2470 a year
[12:37:16] <zeeshan> including inventor hsm (we dont need pro)
[12:37:20] <zeeshan> no 5 axis
[12:37:26] <zeeshan> includes inventor 2017
[12:37:30] <zeeshan> so its no brainer for the company
[12:38:09] <mikeh> i generally model pretty simple stuff so F360 is more than adequate.
[12:38:10] <zeeshan> vs solidworks 2017 @ 4000 then another 2500 for hsmworks
[12:38:28] <zeeshan> yes fusion 360 is really good for hobbyist things
[12:38:52] <zeeshan> i cant believe mastercam of equivalent capabilities is around 10000$!
[12:39:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ldxNCTL.png
[12:39:38] <zeeshan> :D:D
[12:39:46] <mikeh> yeah i wish they'd sell inventor for the price they sell F360..like keep fusion as free for hobbyist/$40mo for pros and then make inventor $40/mo for hobbyists/whatever for pros :P
[12:40:09] <zeeshan> i think its a marketing technique
[12:40:12] <archivist> http://pragmaticpricing.com/2013/10/19/what-is-what-the-market-will-bear/
[12:40:15] <zeeshan> to draw the hobbyist/students in
[12:40:24] <mikeh> oh for sure
[12:40:26] <mikeh> it makes sense
[12:40:33] <archivist> bend over
[12:40:43] <zeeshan> then you realize it cant detail properly
[12:40:46] <zeeshan> sheet metal
[12:40:48] <zeeshan> fea
[12:40:49] <zeeshan> etc
[12:40:59] <zeeshan> design assistant is another big one
[12:41:06] <zeeshan> accelerator i mean
[12:42:29] <mikeh> i just thought it was weird that they made an entirely new product instead of just making inventor cheap for hobbyists
[12:42:33] <BeachBumPete> man I need some plywood or wood blocks for cribbage and I don't feel like running to HD for it
[12:42:44] <tiwake> zeeshan: today I have set a new goal for myself
[12:42:56] <tiwake> zeeshan: starting today, I'm going to hate you
[12:43:03] <zeeshan> why
[12:43:03] <zeeshan> :[
[12:43:07] <BeachBumPete> oh hell that's easy ;)
[12:43:30] <tiwake> because I like setting new and exciting goals for myself
[12:44:48] <BeachBumPete> I have a goal to have a complete and running machining cell very soon :)
[12:45:03] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: machining cell?
[12:45:25] <BeachBumPete> my Cinci is looking MUCH prettier now that I have cleaned it up a bit
[12:46:18] <BeachBumPete> yup IE my Cinci and my Standard Modern CNC lathe :)
[12:46:57] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: oh, so you are calling a machining cell a lathe and a mill
[12:47:05] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:47:20] <tiwake> hi
[12:47:22] <BeachBumPete> https://www.facebook.com/100004109629181/videos/686475264832788/
[12:48:01] <tiwake> big machine
[12:49:18] <BeachBumPete> yup I'm the robot loader LOL
[12:51:20] <tiwake> I really want to get in and CNCafy a lathe
[12:51:55] <BeachBumPete> I am doing my Standard Modern 14x40
[12:52:15] <BeachBumPete> got most of the electronics here for it already but right now I need to get the VMC up and running
[12:52:23] <tiwake> a friend of mine has a hardinge CNC lathe that needs the controller
[12:52:36] <tiwake> 5C collet
[12:52:46] <tiwake> its begging to be fixed up
[12:52:55] <tiwake> $500+shipping
[12:53:04] <tiwake> really nice condition
[12:53:10] <BeachBumPete> those are fine lathes I used to have one but it was not a CNC lathe if it was I would still have it :)
[12:54:46] <tiwake> its one of these http://cnc-machine-controls.com/cnc-machine-controls/chncwide.jpg
[12:54:56] <tiwake> well, without the controller
[12:55:36] <BeachBumPete> I am familiar with them. Several people here have retrofit them.
[12:55:39] <tiwake> its rather large and heavy for just a 5C thing
[12:55:46] <tiwake> perfect really
[12:56:29] <BeachBumPete> the only thing I don't like about them is the fact that they are generally just a collet lathe but you can add a small chuck etc.
[12:56:54] <tiwake> chucks are annoying
[12:57:14] <BeachBumPete> depends on the chuck
[12:57:29] <tiwake> sometimes thats the only way to make something, but if it can be avoided, use a collet
[12:58:06] <JT-i3> I have a 4 jaw 8" chuck for my CHNC but with 16C collets seldom use it
[12:58:46] <BeachBumPete> how do you affix the chuck to it?
[12:59:07] <tiwake> had a couple wasino lathes... there were a couple parts I made the program for that had to use a chuck for
[12:59:15] <tiwake> machined the jaws on it
[12:59:19] <tiwake> etc
[12:59:23] <BeachBumPete> I like those wasino lathes
[12:59:32] <tiwake> not the two I had
[12:59:34] <JT-i3> it has a drive pin and taper mount with 4 bolts, a standard mount of some sort
[12:59:35] <BeachBumPete> there was a guy selling a working one in Atlanta for like 4k
[12:59:38] <tiwake> thats why I left the company
[12:59:47] <tiwake> the other two owners didnt want to do anything about them
[13:00:00] <tiwake> the ballscrews were wore out on one of them
[13:00:19] <tiwake> the other one I don't think was lined up with the rest of the machine
[13:00:38] <BeachBumPete> well if they were not working properly I can understand that
[13:00:58] <BeachBumPete> the one that was for sale was a gang tool lathe looked very nice
[13:00:58] <tiwake> like... the spindle bore needed grinding to be square with the machine, or the machine squared up with the collet... or something
[13:02:06] <tiwake> the tool holders were not very square either
[13:02:30] <tiwake> meh
[13:02:45] <tiwake> isnt the modern tool holders called VDM or something?
[13:03:11] <tiwake> http://www.asiamachinery.net/files/products/945_C.jpg
[13:03:13] <tiwake> those
[13:03:44] <tiwake> oh, VDI?
[13:03:55] <BeachBumPete> dunno I am gonna have to decide what sort of tool holding setup I will use on my CNC lathe once its operational
[13:04:13] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: all the modern CNC lathes use VDI tool holders
[13:04:23] <zeeshan> mine uses vdi too
[13:04:24] <zeeshan> =/
[13:04:25] <zeeshan> $$
[13:04:30] <BeachBumPete> you mean turning centers
[13:04:31] <tiwake> kinda expensive, but they are very accurate
[13:04:51] <tiwake> well
[13:05:00] <tiwake> if its gang tooling, they don't use VDI
[13:05:11] <BeachBumPete> my machine is basically a flatbed CNC lathe with an enclosure/coolant tank setup
[13:05:26] <zeeshan> and monster bedways
[13:05:26] <zeeshan> :D
[13:05:47] <tiwake> I'd be curious about making a lathe that is designed to run completely submerged in cutting fluid
[13:05:57] <zeeshan> why
[13:06:02] <tiwake> because space
[13:06:11] <zeeshan> youre planning to machine in space?
[13:06:12] <zeeshan> :D
[13:06:15] <tiwake> maybe
[13:06:37] <tiwake> been thinking about how a machine would be designed to run in 0 gravity
[13:06:56] <zeeshan> they're going to need to machine on the way to mars
[13:06:56] <zeeshan> =D
[13:07:02] <tiwake> I think the solution is to have the cutting area designed to be filled with cutting fluid
[13:07:19] <zeeshan> you know what'd be cool?
[13:07:27] <zeeshan> keeping the fluid under 4000 psi pressure
[13:07:37] <tiwake> what?
[13:07:42] <BeachBumPete> yeah man they WILL have to machine on the way to mars as well as when they are there
[13:08:06] <zeeshan> tiwake: trolling
[13:08:07] <zeeshan> ;)
[13:09:30] <tiwake> zeeshan: http://mlfw.info/f/2608/
[13:10:43] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/a/QMBHx :)
[13:11:23] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: is one socket a 6 point and the other a 12 point?
[13:11:48] <tiwake> cause it should be
[13:12:00] <BeachBumPete> heh
[13:12:49] <tiwake> hmm, maritool does not make VDI tool holders
[13:13:30] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/a/JnSzG
[13:13:38] <tiwake> https://www.maritool.com/Collets-5C-Collets-5C-Collet-Sets/c21_152_230/p2297/5C-Round-Collet-set-with-37pcs-in-32nd-Increments/product_info.html
[13:14:52] <tiwake> runout is less than 0.0004"
[13:15:28] <tiwake> oh nice, the inside of those is threaded too
[13:15:38] <tiwake> makes it nice to add a stop on the inside
[13:16:07] <tiwake> a lot of 5C collets I've used didnt have the internal threads
[13:17:18] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: I'm still torn about what I should make first
[13:19:09] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: a CNC lathe, like that 5C hardinge thing mentioned, or a CNC engraving machine using one of these NSK electric spindles... http://www.artcotools.com/nsk-electric-spindles/
[13:20:06] <BeachBumPete> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7ie99lFNt90/maxresdefault.jpg I need to build me one of these :)
[13:20:24] <tiwake> those spindles spin up to 40,000-80,000RPM, depending on the model
[13:21:00] <BeachBumPete> they are NOT cheap but they have a cat40 one :P
[13:21:13] <tiwake> meh
[13:22:58] <tiwake> using a CAT40 for that is like using a 10lb sledge as a framing hammer
[13:23:01] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:23:14] <BeachBumPete> ? engraving?
[13:23:24] <tiwake> yeah
[13:23:31] <BeachBumPete> I engrave on my VMC all the time
[13:23:45] <tiwake> half the time the machine does not even have a way to lock the spindle
[13:24:18] <tiwake> (which is kind of lame to not include that in the controller or something)
[13:24:38] <BeachBumPete> all I know is I engrave at like 5500RPM and 30 or 40K would be.....uh.....BETTER!
[13:24:51] <tiwake> heh
[13:24:54] <tiwake> sure
[13:25:22] <tiwake> I just dont know what I would do with it
[13:25:36] <tiwake> engrave ponies on zippo lighters again I suppose
[13:25:37] <BeachBumPete> I would MUCH rather have a nice CNC lathe tho ;)
[13:26:16] <tiwake> engraving can be done on a lathe too
[13:26:24] <tiwake> need Caxis
[13:26:45] <tiwake> is engraving with linuxCNC and setting up C axis very difficult?
[13:26:52] <tiwake> compared to everything else
[13:27:22] <tiwake> not even sure what software to use to do that with
[13:27:29] <tiwake> to spit out the Gcode
[13:27:33] <BeachBumPete> I engrave with linuxCNC all the time works fine
[13:29:52] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: what software do you use to spit out the Gcode?
[13:32:48] <BeachBumPete> generally CAMbam
[13:32:56] <tiwake> is it linux?
[13:33:01] <BeachBumPete> no
[13:33:05] <tiwake> fail
[13:33:48] <BeachBumPete> not for me its not I only use linux on the machines
[13:34:43] <tiwake> I use linux on all my machines
[13:34:56] <tiwake> because I refuse to pay for junk operating systems
[13:35:10] <zeeshan> WHAT
[13:35:19] <zeeshan> i'd never use linux as my desktop!!!!!!!!
[13:35:27] <tiwake> why?
[13:35:36] <zeeshan> cause it's a frigging mess
[13:35:37] <zeeshan> :P
[13:35:48] <tiwake> and anything else isnt?
[13:35:51] <zeeshan> i use it for my programming environment
[13:35:54] <zeeshan> thats about it
[13:35:56] <zeeshan> and linuxcnc
[13:36:09] <zeeshan> windows 7 and 10 are pretty damn good
[13:36:13] <tiwake> BS
[13:36:18] <zeeshan> whats bad about em?
[13:36:25] <BeachBumPete> Im on 7
[13:36:34] <zeeshan> same here 7 at home
[13:36:35] <zeeshan> 10 at work
[13:37:31] <tiwake> I cant do what I want with them... heh... one of the many small things is my graphics tablet would not function because of cruddy drivers
[13:38:01] <tiwake> the windows thread scheduler is horrible
[13:38:39] <tiwake> windows 10 you cant turn off... well.. a lot of things
[13:39:12] <zeeshan> i use linux as a daq too
[13:39:18] <tiwake> so yeah, I'm paying for junk
[13:39:25] <zeeshan> but honestly i cant live without my cad software
[13:39:30] <zeeshan> or engineering software
[13:39:38] <tiwake> things look nice, but underneath is really bad
[13:39:38] <zeeshan> 99% is for windows
[13:39:52] <zeeshan> i went from iphone to android
[13:39:59] <zeeshan> and i think i fucking around more with the phone now
[13:40:02] <zeeshan> than i ever used to w/ iphone
[13:40:07] <zeeshan> next phone will be back to iphone
[13:40:12] <tiwake> bleh
[13:40:13] <zeeshan> it just needs to work!
[13:40:24] <tiwake> iphone has a really bad user interface
[13:40:55] <zeeshan> i guess that'll depend by person to person
[13:40:56] <tiwake> erm, iOS rather
[13:41:41] <tiwake> like to close a window, hold a finger in top right corner, give the phone two shakes, and draw an S with your other finger
[13:41:56] <tiwake> or something really obscure like that for basic functions
[13:42:35] <tiwake> zeeshan: what version was your android phone?
[13:46:49] * JT-Shop needs to clean up can't find my 3/8" combo wrench
[13:47:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I've been dooing that going on 3 days now =)
[13:48:35] <Jymmm> I made a 4x8ft table, I can see this much of the top of it ---> . <---
[13:49:08] <Jymmm> That IS to scale btw ;)
[13:59:16] <tiwake> zeeshan: android version 4? 5? 6?
[14:02:12] <tiwake> https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation
[14:45:38] <mikeh> anyone have a cheapo 3d printer?
[14:46:07] <SpeedEvil> that depends how you define cheapo
[14:46:40] <SpeedEvil> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wanhao-i3-V2-Duplicator-3D-Printer/dp/B017EU3PF0/ref=zg_bs_6283030031_1
[14:47:23] <mikeh> i was thinking along the lines of the monoprice $200 (USD) ones
[14:47:48] <tiwake> junk
[14:48:40] <tiwake> mikeh: find the cheapest SLA 3D printer
[14:49:05] <mikeh> sla is the laser/resin type?
[14:49:16] <tiwake> liquid plastic, yeah
[14:49:48] <SpeedEvil> I love the above actual metal structure
[14:50:00] <SpeedEvil> (compared witht he cheapy crappy ones)
[14:50:35] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: IMO all plastic extrusion is junk
[14:51:00] <mikeh> i really just want one to play around with
[14:51:07] <mikeh> i can't really think of anything i'd actually want to make :
[14:51:08] <mikeh> :P
[14:51:08] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: I disagree. Using it for inappropriate things - sure.
[14:51:24] <tiwake> cant get very good details, and surface finish... bleh
[14:51:30] <SpeedEvil> Lost PLA looks like a very interesting process to me.
[14:51:31] <Tom_L> mikeh, JT-Shop just got a cheap one from china for 200
[14:52:25] <mikeh> hmmm
[14:52:51] <mikeh> that wanhao one is available for $549 CAD
[14:52:52] <tiwake> the form2 comes to mind, but I've heard there are other cheaper SLA's out there
[14:53:07] <mikeh> isn't the form2 like $4k? :P
[14:53:39] <tiwake> looks like 3.5k
[14:54:15] <mikeh> tad out of my price range
[14:54:23] <mikeh> they do look nice though
[14:54:24] <tiwake> save up for not-junk then
[14:56:12] <AlSmt> Nick-Shop, what did you find with your turret?
[14:56:27] <mikeh> maybe one day :)
[14:56:34] <mikeh> my biggest issue is lack of space
[14:56:48] <mikeh> my shop is a walk-in closet :P
[14:57:14] <tiwake> footprint will be the same for all of those little cheap ones
[14:57:40] <mikeh> oh sure, it's just if i spend a lot of money, i want a nice shop :P
[14:57:51] <tiwake> thats not a lot of money
[14:58:04] <mikeh> that's all relative :P
[14:58:14] <tiwake> not for a shop its not
[14:59:02] <tiwake> I mean, if you want a toy, get a toy... if you want something useful you need it to be made out of components that are useful
[14:59:19] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: i am assuming that your home has no items made from plastic?
[14:59:26] <SpeedEvil> It is all HSS and polished brass?
[14:59:42] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: with polished brass screws, yeah
[14:59:46] <renesis> speedevil: cast granite
[15:00:07] <renesis> i need to invent that
[15:00:09] <tiwake> no, I don't own a house... when I do it will be something along those lines though
[15:00:24] <SpeedEvil> It would be awesome if you could cast granite.
[15:00:26] <renesis> plastic is pretty neat tho
[15:00:43] <renesis> very light, very resistant to all the things
[15:01:01] <tiwake> ICF walls, with an inner wood or steel frame, shielded CAT6 running around the house, proper simi-commercial kitchen
[15:01:03] <renesis> speedevil: i think you have to cold forge it
[15:01:07] <renesis> like, under a mountain
[15:01:07] <SpeedEvil> renesis: yeah
[15:01:17] <tiwake> probably a lift in the garage
[15:01:19] <SpeedEvil> Though glass is pretty much the same thermal expansivity
[15:01:23] <mikeh> SpeedEvil, check out epoxy granite :P
[15:01:32] <SpeedEvil> In principle you could make glass machine tools.
[15:01:35] <renesis> speedevil: i guess granit is prob lots of silica?
[15:02:08] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: I've been a machinist for too long :-/
[15:02:08] <SpeedEvil> you can melt granite pretty easily - but it's not granite when it solidifies
[15:02:11] <renesis> usually looks like lots of quartz in it
[15:02:15] <renesis> right
[15:02:28] <renesis> because granite is pretty much a composite
[15:02:57] <renesis> i think its like, basalt in a quartz matrix?
[15:03:56] <tiwake> for the flooring, I think I want to do concrete, with stone, maybe quartz or something, tamped into the surface, then ground down to a nice smooth surface
[15:04:15] <tiwake> erm, quartz gravel
[15:04:39] <renesis> ive only seen stuff like that in gov buildings
[15:04:51] <renesis> and it usually looks like prefab slabs, polished
[15:05:14] <tiwake> so?
[15:05:28] <tiwake> I've never seen a regular house with ICF walls either
[15:05:31] <renesis> so, prob really really expensive to do well
[15:05:38] <renesis> whats ICF
[15:05:44] <tiwake> insulated concrete form
[15:05:46] <SpeedEvil> Inertially confined fusion
[15:06:07] <renesis> then your whole house needs to be steel, no?
[15:06:30] <tiwake> no... unless you mean steel running through the concrete forms
[15:06:34] <tiwake> rebar
[15:06:36] <renesis> or like, a rebarred concrete bunker
[15:06:58] <renesis> yeah but can you build up without a steel frame? without like, 2ft thick walls?
[15:06:58] <tiwake> not all ICF uses rebar, but most do
[15:07:11] <renesis> or i guess like, half foot
[15:07:34] <tiwake> most of the time ICF is 6" thick or 8" or something
[15:07:49] <tiwake> there are two main cavity sizes, 6" is the smaller one
[15:07:54] <renesis> http://polyfoamcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/polyfoam-building-construction-materials.jpg
[15:07:58] <renesis> so like that?
[15:08:04] <tiwake> yeah
[15:08:19] <tiwake> that looks more like 8" though
[15:08:21] <renesis> i mean, maybe for the exterior
[15:08:31] <tiwake> the foam is generally 1.5" thick on one side
[15:08:40] <tiwake> oh yeah, for the exterior only
[15:08:41] <renesis> ha have fun remodeling that
[15:08:53] <tiwake> renesis: I have a hammer drill already
[15:08:55] <tiwake> :D
[15:09:02] <renesis> i guess if you rebar it right its prob better for earthquakes
[15:09:10] <tiwake> and tornados
[15:09:17] <renesis> oh, true that
[15:09:28] <renesis> im cali native, i really have no concept of those
[15:09:31] <tiwake> and government invasions
[15:09:33] <renesis> those things only happen to trailer parks
[15:10:20] <renesis> i assume that our tornados are really, really small so only trailer parks actually see consequences
[15:10:44] <tiwake> renesis: most of the time they pour the concrete the first 4' or so, then pour the rest of it a week later or whatever, after it sets
[15:11:19] <tiwake> more people I've heard are picking up on building houses out of ICF though
[15:12:21] <tiwake> fantastic thermal properties, cause of all the foam, very strong, hardly any maintenance
[15:12:22] <renesis> i imagine its a ton more energy efficient
[15:12:46] <renesis> even without the foam, just the mass of the concrete is going to help a lot
[15:12:56] <tiwake> right
[15:13:04] <tiwake> modern castle building material
[15:13:18] <tiwake> <3
[15:13:27] <renesis> and then i guess youjust put a wall in front of it for conduit and plumbing?
[15:14:29] <tiwake> two options... either frame the inside with wood or steel, to hang your interior stuff off of (drywall,whatever), or cut into the foam directly
[15:15:26] <tiwake> ICF is probably not used for small houses in a city, cause of all the space lost to just the walls
[15:15:43] <renesis> steel seems like itd be easier to bolt or bond to the concrete
[15:16:26] <tiwake> after framing the inside of it, a good 10"-12" or so is used up, from the outer most part of the house to the inside
[15:18:16] <tiwake> anyway... I'm thinking the best flooring option for a house with the outside walls made like that would be concrete with reinforced fibers in it (fiberglass), with some sort of stone inlaid
[15:18:47] <tiwake> probably the cheapest would be gravel put in while the cement is still wet, then sanded smooth
[15:19:29] <SpeedEvil> renesis: thermal mass is a fucking lie.
[15:19:31] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[15:19:58] <SpeedEvil> (apart perhaps from helping some with day-night cycles)
[15:20:28] <tiwake> one of these days I'll get around to building it
[15:20:28] * SpeedEvil lives in scotland, with 60cm thick stone walls, which are thermally equivalent to around 0.5cm of actual insulation.
[15:20:45] <SpeedEvil> thermal mass - if it's inside of insulation - can help lots.
[15:21:48] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9RPqp6r-Pw
[15:22:00] <gregcnc> thermal mass just delays the inevitable
[15:22:19] <tiwake> gregcnc: like a capacitor? ;)
[15:22:49] <SpeedEvil> thermal mass is great - if you live in an area with an averagely acceptable temperature and have eight meter thick walls.
[15:24:11] <renesis> 23:51:46 < SpeedEvil> (apart perhaps from helping some with day-night cycles)
[15:24:19] <renesis> which helps
[15:24:31] <SpeedEvil> renesis: not if you're always having to heat
[15:24:32] <renesis> its going to make things vary less
[15:24:37] <SpeedEvil> or cool.
[15:24:38] <renesis> most people wouldnt be
[15:24:45] <renesis> and it wouldnt change much
[15:24:46] <SpeedEvil> depends where you are.
[15:25:36] <SpeedEvil> in august, it hits (here) 14C average.
[15:25:39] <tiwake> well, I just moved to texas a couple months ago
[15:25:52] <tiwake> :3
[15:25:53] <SpeedEvil> December it's 4C.
[15:26:21] <SpeedEvil> Very few people are going to be happy at 4C average.
[15:26:23] <renesis> like, youre going to eat it on initial warmup if the place is cold
[15:26:53] <renesis> and things wont have to work as hard because variations wont be as extreme
[15:27:12] <gregcnc> the total heat input will still have to match the total heat lost, no free lunch
[15:27:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[15:27:44] <gregcnc> thermal mass done in green homes in inside a properly insulated house
[15:27:54] <SpeedEvil> unless it actually helps that you need 15kW during the night, and 13kW during the day, not 18kW during the night, and 11kW during the day.
[15:27:58] <SpeedEvil> It rarely does.
[15:28:16] <SpeedEvil> Thermal mass inside insulation can be really great and store heat for a substantial fraction of a month
[15:31:06] <SpeedEvil> (or even longer, in some cases - I'm currently in the process of fitting ~15cm of quality insulation round my house. 150 tons or so of granite will do really great things internally. 120kWh/c or so
[15:31:51] <gregcnc> passive home design is interesting
[15:31:54] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[15:32:10] <SpeedEvil> shading, properly designed heat gain, ...
[15:32:30] <SpeedEvil> massively, massively depends on where you are.
[15:33:10] <gregcnc> yes, fortunately houses tend to stay put once built
[15:33:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:34:31] <sync> passive houses usually suffer from their inadequate cooling
[15:35:20] <gregcnc> right it's hard to be lower than ambient
[15:35:51] <SpeedEvil> Well.
[15:35:56] <SpeedEvil> Solar + AC is still passive.
[15:36:13] <SpeedEvil> And the reduction of heat loss also works (with additional shading) for gain
[15:36:35] <sync> yup, they were quite popular a while back here, but a lot of them had the issue that they would get too hot
[15:37:22] <SpeedEvil> or earth tubes
[15:37:34] <SpeedEvil> earth tubes are great in some climates
[15:41:55] <gregcnc> I'd consider a cave, but I like sunlight
[15:43:58] <sync> light pipes
[15:44:43] <SpeedEvil> light pipes only work well in direct sun
[16:00:47] <CaptHindsight> according to the commercial this is all you need http://www.asseenontv.com/handy-heater/detail.php?p=1037052
[16:01:52] <Erant> 250sq ft
[16:02:28] <Erant> with 350W? I call BS
[16:02:28] <CaptHindsight> just combine it with using this every day http://www.asseenontv.com/bacon-boss/detail.php?p=1013465&v=household
[16:02:50] <Erant> Hehe.
[16:02:51] <CaptHindsight> radiant heat plus under the skin insulation
[16:03:55] <Erant> Y'all have any tips for enclosures? I'm going to revamp my entire setup in the next few months, and I want my power supplies and servo drives in a nice 6" x 18" x 18" (ish) enclosure.
[16:04:58] <CaptHindsight> Erant: supplier, diy, features you might want?
[16:05:11] <CaptHindsight> color options?
[16:06:08] <Erant> Preferably with a hinged front plate. I ain't doing DIY for this, I've already got a bunch of other things I have to make so I'm buying what I can buy.
[16:06:19] <Erant> Plus me and sheet metal don't always see eye-to-eye
[16:06:43] <CaptHindsight> lots of off the shelf, just be sure to get bigger vs smaller
[16:07:00] <CaptHindsight> sucks to run out of room
[16:07:06] <Erant> I was going to go for something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cooper-B-Line-Electrical-Enclosure-16-Gauge-Steel-18-x-18-x-6-Model-18186SC/351874162246
[16:07:31] <Erant> Yeah, 18" x 18" is enough for the three power supplies, the servo drives, the 7i76 and then some.
[16:07:59] <CaptHindsight> you will want standoffs a back plate to mount things to
[16:08:06] <Erant> (I'd source it locally though, 'cuz I ain't paying $24 to ship air)
[16:08:58] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I was thinking maybe just putting a plastic backing plate in or something.
[16:09:25] <Erant> It'll all mount on DIN rail though, so if I can mount that to the sheet metal somehow.
[16:11:31] <CaptHindsight> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/61/f9/e2/61f9e253cc96f8d53db909bfa7967b87.jpg
[16:12:39] <CaptHindsight> or you end up with lots of holes and screws in the rear of the enclosure
[16:12:57] <Erant> Nice.
[16:14:29] <Erant> How's the backing plate installed? Glue?
[16:29:47] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:09] <JT-Shop> good night
[16:31:20] <Deejay> :)
[16:34:07] <CaptHindsight> Erant: on a stand-off
[16:34:47] <CaptHindsight> usually welded into the rear, so no holes in the panel
[16:40:55] <Jymmm> silly putty
[16:41:05] <CaptHindsight> very silly putty
[16:41:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: how goes?
[16:41:44] <CaptHindsight> in between chores, howzit by you?
[16:42:19] <Jymmm> bout the same, trying to clean up the disaster I've made over the last 3 months of painting/electrical work in the garage =)
[16:42:35] <CaptHindsight> about to do some auto chassis welding
[16:42:50] <Jymmm> daily vehicle?
[16:42:57] <CaptHindsight> spare
[16:42:59] <Jymmm> do you wrap it around a tree... AGAIN?
[16:43:17] <CaptHindsight> midwest salt
[16:43:24] <Jymmm> Ahhhh
[16:44:02] <Jymmm> Now that I have some juice in the garage, I've been thinking of picking up a cheap welder
[16:44:07] <CaptHindsight> and while I'm at it a 4 struts, springs, tie rods, fenders, wheel arches, and some fresh paint
[16:44:27] <Jymmm> ...and undercoat
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> yup
[16:45:05] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: do they salt up in your hills or just sand?
[16:45:17] <Jymmm> just plow
[16:45:56] <CaptHindsight> the salt here just for fun
[16:46:10] <Jymmm> heh
[16:46:57] <Jymmm> Well, I haven't really experianced snow here that sticks. They say its gonna be a hard winter this year so we'll see. I do have a 5gal bucket of rock salt though.
[16:47:51] <Jymmm> Do ppl still do stick welding these days?
[16:48:04] <CaptHindsight> some winters we go through that in a day
[16:48:18] <JT-Shop> sure, a lot of stick welding is done
[16:48:21] <CaptHindsight> last year I never even opened a bag
[16:48:32] <JT-Shop> if your out of reach you stick
[16:48:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: If you were start welding today, would you get/do stick?
[16:49:04] <JT-Shop> depends on the job
[16:50:01] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: ouch https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_guhFaANKfNo_600x450.jpg
[16:50:20] <CaptHindsight> must be one of the those trees that jumped out in front
[16:50:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ueah, don't ya just hate those?!
[16:51:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, since I've never welded, just look inf for something cheap to play around/pracice with
[16:52:03] <Jymmm> looking*
[16:52:22] <malcom2073> Isn't stick used for a lot of the heavier metal welding? Like heavy sizewize
[16:52:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah, difficult to impossible to weld sheet metal with a stick
[16:53:02] <CaptHindsight> well that is
[16:54:13] <Jymmm> flu, mig, mig/flux?!
[16:54:18] <Jymmm> flux*
[16:55:52] <Jymmm> Could this do 1/4" steel plate/tubing? http://www.harborfreight.com/90-amp-ac-120-volt-flux-cored-welder-61849.html
[16:57:47] <CaptHindsight> it would take a few passes
[16:59:22] <CaptHindsight> would be pushing it for 1/4" with this http://www.harborfreight.com/180-Amp-DC-240-Volt-MIGFlux-Cored-Welder-68886.html
[17:00:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/037779-lincoln-electric-arc-welder.html
[17:02:11] <Jymmm> Ok, not like I'll be doing any production stuff, just wanted to get some ideas/perspective =)
[17:02:31] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: if you never welded find a welding "course" to take at a community collage or trade school
[17:02:55] <CaptHindsight> what he said ^^
[17:03:36] <CaptHindsight> you need to know how to work a bead in any direction
[17:03:36] <JT-Shop> lincoln or miller are good welders... I'm a poster child for miller lol
[17:04:13] <CaptHindsight> heh yeah, was trying to avoid the blue, red, yellow discussion :)
[17:05:37] <JT-Shop> any good brand is ok, it's a crap shoot with the chinlee brands
[17:05:53] <JT-Shop> which one is yellow?
[17:06:25] <JT-i3> XXCoder: you awake yet?
[17:09:33] <CaptHindsight> ESAB and some Chinese welder
[17:10:19] <JT-Shop> ah yea, my first mig was an ESAB solid machine for sure
[17:10:42] <JT-Shop> forgot about that guy, came with a yellow smiley magnet stuck to it lol
[17:10:54] <JT-Shop> I kept the magnet
[17:13:20] <CaptHindsight> I picked up a WSME (Chinaco) TIG recently, it works great and any of the boards and modules are $100 on ebay
[17:14:59] <CaptHindsight> I just use a better torch
[17:15:27] <CaptHindsight> the dealer gave me 2 of these just for fun https://ibin.co/2tBc6Nmg9iLw.jpg
[17:17:36] <JT-Shop> darth face lol
[17:20:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: "Looking into my arc Darling"
[17:20:26] <Jymmm> yhay must be for pug welders
[17:20:27] <CaptHindsight> the basic kit http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/84978-3x2-940x627.jpg :)
[17:21:17] <CaptHindsight> deluxe kit http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/8.jpg
[17:22:05] <Jymmm> Econo Kit http://img.index.hu/imgfrm/4/3/2/7/BIG_0012994327.jpg
[17:22:52] <CaptHindsight> just think about that welder being around in the 1700's
[17:23:40] <Jymmm> He would be very very old
[17:24:30] <Jymmm> Weld with two batteries... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV5oLPLUzrM
[17:25:17] <CaptHindsight> if you were flung back into time 500 years, how long would it take you to have a working welder?
[17:26:22] <CaptHindsight> how long to have a functioning generator?
[17:27:05] <Jymmm> 500 years? I'd use gunpowder to weld
[17:27:40] <Jymmm> generator? Um since there are no computers, would I need one?
[17:28:01] <CaptHindsight> would you build oil fired engines or electrical generators first?
[17:28:36] <Jymmm> in 1516? Do I even have metal?
[17:29:02] <Jymmm> err steel
[17:29:22] <CaptHindsight> steam engine?
[17:29:48] <gonzo_> cast iron
[17:30:09] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_materials_technology
[17:30:18] <Jymmm> Shit, I'd just want soap and bleach if I was in the 14th century
[17:30:32] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_century
[17:30:35] <gonzo_> unless you were of high status, just relrearning the basic skills to feed and cloth yourself would keep you busy
[17:31:09] <gonzo_> though a bit of 20/21st century knowledge, you could possibly create a status for yourself
[17:31:28] <CaptHindsight> or get you burned alive for being a wizard
[17:31:40] <Jymmm> Hell, you could create a string phone =)
[17:31:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that too =)
[17:32:06] <gonzo_> more reliable than BT
[17:32:06] <CaptHindsight> Gutenberg built the first press around 1450
[17:32:35] <CaptHindsight> with metal type
[17:32:43] <gonzo_> would build a cider press befor printing
[17:32:53] <Jymmm> a still
[17:32:56] <Jymmm> stile
[17:33:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.livescience.com/44186-who-invented-the-steam-engine.html
[17:33:53] <Jymmm> If I got everyone drunk, I'd get anything
[17:34:41] <Jymmm> boose, the universal currency =)
[17:34:42] <CaptHindsight> chlorine wasn't discovered until 1774
[17:35:11] <Jymmm> Well, there's still soap.... renderings and potash
[17:39:18] <Jymmm> Then there's Zote Soap, which even home depot sells
[17:44:35] <gonzo_> saponin from plants?
[18:09:36] <nubcake> n8 everyone
[18:30:14] <gorbypark> anyone have nativecam working embedded into gmoccapy or axis?
[19:53:37] <bnz> argh that sucks arse.. i have bricked my mesa card :(
[19:56:01] <bnz> the INT and DONE leds are stuck on…. as far as i can tell that means i have to find a windowz machine plug the card into that and then jtag the eeprom back into normality.. this really sucks, i took the day off work to finish this thing off… i don't have a jtag programmer here or a windowz box so i'm screwed until i can take it into work....
[19:56:32] <BeachBumPete> OUCH
[19:56:45] <bnz> i can't even get it to go into fallback mode by telling it to ignore the eeprom...
[19:57:26] <BeachBumPete> maybe PCW will chime in here with some suggestions I have not had that problem so I won't be much help
[19:58:06] <bnz> i guess i could get really tricky and unsolder the eeprom and program it via arduino or pic.. but thats a lot of work.....
[19:58:28] <BeachBumPete> what machine are you retrofitting/building?
[19:58:47] <CaptHindsight> what should one avoid doing to not have this problem?
[19:59:08] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight an even better question...
[19:59:30] <bnz> i have a SEIG X2 mill that i have had working with a dual par port card. but i ran out of IO so i got a mesa...
[19:59:57] <bnz> so what i did was used mesagflash to program a BIT file..
[20:00:06] <BeachBumPete> aah X2 those are fun little machines
[20:01:04] <bnz> yeah i have had it chewing thru steel with a 7mm HSS cutter and it was smoking the lube up making 1mm deep cuts. and the finish on the slot was so nice….
[20:02:04] <BeachBumPete> wow
[20:04:17] <bnz> my main problem with the mesa card is that i don't really know what i am doing.. i have a 6I24 that is running in compatibility mode so should appear like 5i24… all was going well without using the mesaflash program, i had a few stepgens flashing leds then i tried changing the pins about to suit better wiring options and my OCD issues… but then i kept reading abut how the syslog should be telling me what each pin should do but it always
[20:04:17] <bnz> said every pin was GPIO
[20:04:32] <bnz> then i tried mesa flash and thats how i get here....
[20:05:00] <bnz> i NOW believe i NEVER needed mesaflash…
[20:05:37] <BeachBumPete> I know I had to download a little thing from the forum for my 5i25 card when I first got it...
[20:05:39] <bnz> oh to directly answer you question CaptHindsight… get every head injury looked at by a professional…
[20:06:23] <bnz> i think i have had one (maybe two) too many blows to the head… so now i do everything the hard way...
[20:07:00] <BeachBumPete> hell I do that I to my knowledge have never had a blow to the head ;)
[20:07:20] <CaptHindsight> was wondering if you #reset or powered down while flashing or similar
[20:07:49] <bnz> BeechBumPete yes i have to apt-get install hostmot2-all to get the firmware onto my linux box.. this you need.. but then you do not need to use mesa flash to program them. linuxcnc seems to take care of that from HAL
[20:08:40] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Recover_Corrupt/Blank_EEPROM_5i24%2C6i24%2C7i24%2C_6i25
[20:08:42] <bnz> Capt. nah that all went fine. i did the write and it completed, so then i did a reload (to avoid a reboot) thats when the two leds light up and ever since then they stay on…
[20:10:10] <bnz> thanks for the link.. i haven't searched for anything as the manual said i had to do it with the xilinx software...
[20:10:18] <bnz> let me try that now..
[20:11:49] <andypugh> bnz: WIth the 6i24 the pinout is set by firmware
[20:12:53] <andypugh> Really, it’s eaiser to move wires in hardware and connections in HAL to get what you want than to change the firmware
[20:14:21] <andypugh> You _can_ change the firmware, it’s not impossible. In fact I have a custom firmware on my 6i24. Because I wanted 7i49 and 7i44 as daughter cards.
[20:14:55] <bnz> Andy if thats the case then i must not have my setup right. i must be using a mixture of hardware and software stepgens....
[20:15:27] <andypugh> bnz: Some Mesa cards have a flash-at-boot FPGA and some have a flash-one eeprom
[20:16:12] <andypugh> I _think_ the 6i24 has eeprom and uses Mesaflash to change firmware
[20:16:40] <bnz> my card documentation says there is a jumper to stop the eeprom from being used but that doesn't seem to solve my issue
[20:18:00] <bnz> w10 is the jumper my docs say should let the card boot to the fallback mode, but if i have corrupted that by using the wrong BIT file then the fallback image might have been corrupted as well,
[20:18:47] <bnz> and my version of mesa flash doesn't support --recovery :(
[20:18:55] <andypugh> 5i20, 5i23, 7i43 (and several others) get the FPGA firmware at boot-time. 5i25 and 6i25 have on-board firmware changed with Mesaflash. I think that 6i24 is in the second group, but it’s been a year since I configured mine, so I am fuzzy on the details.
[20:19:43] <bnz> that sounds about right.. from what i read there is a eeprom on my board and thats what i need to reprogram.
[20:20:09] <andypugh> bnz: You probably need pcw_home if he is online. He knows all there is to know about Mesa cards.
[20:20:15] <bnz> my board will not even appear on the PCI bus.. lspci doesn't see the card at all
[20:21:58] <XXCoder> JT-i3: AM NOW
[20:22:03] <XXCoder> oops caps
[20:24:42] <andypugh> bnz: Either hang around and see if PCW turns up, or try again on a weekday night here, or post to the Mesa card part of the LinuxCNC forums. There is almost no chance that your card is unrecoverable, but fixing it might need procedures that I am unfamiliar with.
[20:25:47] <andypugh> But for me, ’tis bed time
[20:30:30] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: had random tought, do eeprom need battery to keep data?
[20:35:14] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM you might be thinking of SRAM that was used as a type of PROM
[20:36:18] <XXCoder> ahh yea
[20:36:24] <XXCoder> was thinking something like CMOS
[20:36:45] <CaptHindsight> yes, it was similar, remove the battery power and it was cleared
[20:41:46] <witnit> bnz: does this look familiar? http://russjury.blogspot.com/2016/02/unbricking-mesa-6i24.html
[20:41:47] <bnz> PCW_HOME was able to help me.. pointed me in the right direction.. the card is working, was a case of pebkac the switch is --recover not --recovery duh!….
[20:42:02] <witnit> oh good :)
[20:42:55] <bnz> yeah that was where i was going to head.. but it turns out pcw says the 6i24 cannot be bricked and is always recoverable from the pci interface with the recover command.. yay..
[20:43:00] <witnit> hahaha so funny you were just one charactor away from it
[20:44:07] <bnz> the only reason i picked the 6i24 was cuz it was a single channel card and i thought i was going to have to use an extender, and my next spare motherboard only has a short pci slot...
[20:44:28] <BeachBumPete> it is no surprise PCW was able to help he is DA MAN!! ;)
[20:46:21] <bnz> witnit it was not only one char away but i also was flashing with the wrong firmware thats what caused the lights to light up.. i must have been running the stepgens in software to have had the leds flashing.. that might also explain the error's linuxcnc was throwing about the axis speed being limited to 507 steps/second.. on all the axis.. i wrote that off as just being wrong with my guesses of the axis settings..
[20:46:40] <witnit> yeah, I been down that road :)
[20:46:47] <witnit> pretty sure I did the exact same thing
[20:48:24] <witnit> I had wrong version of mesaflash too at one time
[20:48:26] <witnit> somehow
[20:48:48] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: so eeprom actually does need battery to keep data?
[20:49:05] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: no
[20:49:21] <XXCoder> ah misunderstood you then
[20:49:33] <XXCoder> "yes, it was similar, remove the battery power and it was cleared"
[20:49:54] <CaptHindsight> CMOS in x86 chipset to SRAM comparison
[20:50:03] <XXCoder> ah yea
[20:52:09] <bnz> so now i am using the 5i24.zip file of bit files for firmware, there is no PIN files in this archive is there a websit that lists all the pin configs or do i have infer what i can from their names and install them to see where each pin is placed where?
[20:57:55] <bnz> ok this looks better.. the leds are off now that i have firmware that matches the board :P
[20:58:02] <XXCoder> :)
[22:00:08] <BeachBumPete> Does it really have to be monday tomorrow?
[22:00:45] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: nah
[22:00:45] <bnz> what you mean its lunchtime monday for me :(
[22:00:54] <XXCoder> its human invention and thus abstract
[22:01:00] <XXCoder> you can define everyday to be sunday
[22:01:12] <XXCoder> you might end uo jobless but you have freedom to do so.
[22:01:18] <bnz> not today its raining :(
[22:01:30] <BeachBumPete> Why cant we have another Friday or hell id take a thursday even
[22:01:30] <bnz> no sun
[22:02:19] <BeachBumPete> Man I cant wait to start using my VMC again. So pleased it is here now and safe
[22:02:59] <bnz> argh my OCD says i need to compile the vhf firmware so the pins are where i want them to be :(
[22:03:27] <jdh> go for it
[22:03:30] <jdh> it's free.
[22:03:34] <jdh> and easy
[22:03:37] <BeachBumPete> I'm gonna try to scrape up some cribbage from scraps at work tomorrow and hopefully I can get it up on the leveling pods tomorrow night
[22:03:41] <bnz> i just don't like the idea of outputs next to inputs..
[22:04:18] <bnz> jdh i just tried installing the ISE and it won't run-on my linux VM..
[22:04:31] <jdh> well, by 'easy', I meant "easy for me to say"
[22:04:46] <bnz> just says it cat find the command even thou i can see the file is there and is executable..
[22:04:55] <BeachBumPete> Incidentally i finished that kayak kart for rolling the yaks around th shop and outside when I am working in there. Works pretty good so far
[22:05:12] <bnz> i even tried clicking the icon but no thats no good
[22:05:39] <bnz> i don't want to have to use windows..
[22:06:03] <jdh> what is your linux vm running in?
[22:06:13] <bnz> ubuntu 1504
[22:06:22] <bnz> under virtualbox
[22:06:50] <bnz> on a max
[22:06:51] <bnz> mac
[22:07:32] <jdh> send pcw the modified files?
[22:09:14] <bnz> oooo i have the IDE open :) needed to use the 64bit settings file..
[22:09:32] <bnz> should be good for now..
[22:10:06] <enleth> bnz: yep, an architecture mismatch between the executable file and the running kernel gives the quite unhelpful message about a missing file
[22:10:09] <bnz> hmmm license license
[22:10:39] <enleth> actually I've always wondered why, I just might look it up in the kernel source to stop wondering
[22:10:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/FREE-SHIPPING-1um-optical-linear-scale-linear-encoder-grating-ruler-50-300mm/903293_1691855336.html $59
[22:11:18] <bnz> looks like there is a free 30 day trial.. but it says no bitstream.. what does that mean? is that just no debugging? if i am only moving pins around will i need bitstream?
[22:11:53] <bnz> the tutorial i found doesn't mention anything about the license they are using.. and i have no clue about fpga's
[22:12:06] <bnz> its all new to me :) so it will be fun...
[22:13:08] <bnz> oh there is a 30day free trial with bitstream if i register.
[22:13:18] <enleth> but of course, the -ENOENT is actually being thrown upon an attempt to load a 32bit ld-linux library
[22:15:33] <bnz> agh a bitstream is the BIT file that i need to generate… i hope 30days will be enough for me to learn WTF i am doing.. :)
[22:18:05] <bnz> and of course the linking in the installer doesn't work so now i have to manually get a license and import it… oh they make it hard...
[22:22:51] <mikeh> i think there's a bug (or my ini is wrong) in 2.8~pre where the machine won't move into negatives even when the machine is unhomed
[22:24:41] <MacGalempsy> hey all.
[22:25:01] <BeachBumPete> Hey mac :)
[22:25:37] <MacGalempsy> winding down the weekend pete?
[22:27:05] <BeachBumPete> Yeah i feel pretty good about it tho got a lot done i wanted to
[22:27:50] <MacGalempsy> we ended up backroading all afternoon
[22:28:12] <BeachBumPete> Hopefully get the VMC all rewired and hooked to power this coming week and be able to start using it again.
[22:28:28] <MacGalempsy> the park was like 20 miles away, but took an hour and a half to get there
[22:28:30] <BeachBumPete> Backroading?
[22:29:23] <MacGalempsy> yeah sunday driving the county dirt roads
[22:29:43] <BeachBumPete> Ah where do you live again?
[22:29:47] <MacGalempsy> The view was great.
[22:30:13] <MacGalempsy> NW Ark. we went to white rock recreation area
[22:30:38] <BeachBumPete> Nice is it a rock garden or something?
[22:31:46] <BeachBumPete> We have four or five nice big palm trees in the front of our new house and along the side
[22:31:47] <MacGalempsy> http://picpaste.com/20161016_132907-jJTkNems.jpg
[22:32:22] <MacGalempsy> just some picnic benches out in the middle of no where
[22:32:29] <BeachBumPete> And i wanted to sort of illuminate them and the house but i didn't want to spend a bunch of cash
[22:32:52] <BeachBumPete> Looks nice ans quiet
[22:33:22] <BeachBumPete> Anyway i saw a youtube video about the HF solar floodlights
[22:33:47] <BeachBumPete> They l looked decent so I picked up four of them
[22:34:06] <BeachBumPete> They actually work pretty good surprisingly
[22:34:24] <BeachBumPete> They last throughout the night too
[22:34:42] <MacGalempsy> nice.
[22:34:54] <BeachBumPete> They are kind of a whitish blue light tho
[22:35:25] <BeachBumPete> So far pretty pleased with them
[22:35:40] <BeachBumPete> Much easier than running wires and whatnot
[22:36:05] <MacGalempsy> so what has to be rewired on the cnc?
[22:36:20] <BeachBumPete> They also sell a solar powered security light that seems quite bright in the youtube videos
[22:36:40] <MacGalempsy> led i guess?
[22:37:23] <BeachBumPete> Oh when i moved i decided to relocated the electronics cabinet on the back of the machine down to the floor more so it would fit unxer any standard garage door
[22:37:36] <BeachBumPete> Yeah LED
[22:38:19] <BeachBumPete> So when I moved it down and fabricated new mount brackets i had to disconnect quite a few wires
[22:38:46] <MacGalempsy> any room to mount quick disconnects?
[22:38:55] <BeachBumPete> Some had to be relocated frok the top of the cabinet to the side
[22:39:10] <MacGalempsy> ok
[22:39:20] <BeachBumPete> Oh theres tons of room everywhere in that cabinet
[22:39:29] <BeachBumPete> Its huge
[22:40:01] <BeachBumPete> It used to be pretty full of the original control parts but now its almost bare with the new ones
[22:40:40] <BeachBumPete> It slid in right underneath the garage door easily I didn't even have to remove it
[22:40:45] <MacGalempsy> funny how tbings got smaller
[22:41:09] <BeachBumPete> Yeah its a really big heavy steel box tho
[22:41:53] <BeachBumPete> I just have to reconnect the stuff going up front to the pendant and relocated some if the z axis stuff
[22:42:18] <BeachBumPete> Other than that it just needs power to run again.
[22:42:50] <BeachBumPete> I am gonna give it a big cleaning tho even more than I did originally
[22:42:56] <MacGalempsy> hurry up, i got a list of stuff for you to make :)
[22:43:11] <BeachBumPete> Hehe i can help ya man ;)
[22:43:53] <BeachBumPete> I actually have quite a few customers patiently waiting for risers and other parts
[22:44:50] <MacGalempsy> haha. just kidding with you.
[22:45:06] <BeachBumPete> It sure ate some cash in the transport and storage its about time it starts earning its keep again ;)
[22:45:24] <MacGalempsy> now that my machine works, im plan small.
[22:45:57] <BeachBumPete> That is a neat machine man
[22:46:05] <MacGalempsy> i want to tune the 4th axis, but no 4th axis cam atm
[22:46:25] <BeachBumPete> I so want a fourth axis
[22:46:49] <BeachBumPete> Waiting on methods to snag me one at auction ;)
[22:47:40] <MacGalempsy> i was scanning ebay and saw a flat ac servo, just 2 overlapping donuts
[22:48:14] <MacGalempsy> with a faceplate to would be a good b axis
[22:49:15] <BeachBumPete> Neat
[22:49:45] <BeachBumPete> Well i better get to sleep or I will be even less useful than normal at work tomorrow.
[22:49:50] <MacGalempsy> yea. hey im calling it a night!
[22:49:58] <MacGalempsy> gn
[22:50:02] <BeachBumPete> Gn8 mac
[22:50:07] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: can always do shitty way
[22:50:16] <XXCoder> direct mount to geared nema stepper
[22:50:31] <XXCoder> must be low side force though lol
[22:50:39] <XXCoder> im considering that for wood only
[22:50:48] <BeachBumPete> Yeah I dont typically like the "shitty way" ;)
[22:51:04] <XXCoder> yeah lol
[22:51:12] <BeachBumPete> Gn8 man
[22:51:16] <XXCoder> might be good for fun with food
[22:51:20] <XXCoder> *wood. night
[22:51:35] <XXCoder> hmm 4 axis milling some food solid LOL
[23:06:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dropros.com/DRO_PROS_Digital_Readout_Scale.htm
[23:09:11] <CaptHindsight> ^^ only $50 up charge for 1um res glass scales
[23:18:18] <gorbypark> wow
[23:21:53] <SpeedEvil> i guess what the hell is the point in not, if it costs you ~$0
[23:22:17] <SpeedEvil> and will bring buisness
[23:22:52] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: its weight sensor?
[23:31:48] <bnz> aaaawww mAn i have spent like 30mins randomly clicking things in the ISE IDE and haven't produced a BIT file yet… i just don't understand..
[23:33:38] <bnz> ah seriously i followed the tutorial as best i could and it fails to make BIT files.. guess it could be due to me using a newer version of the IDE than the tutorial.. and me not knowing what i am looking at.
[23:34:37] <bnz> i didn't even try and modify anything just wanted to see if what was delivered would compile with out errors and it looks like there is something wrong with some 19 files in the source code that was supplied..
[23:35:13] <bnz> or that i have another problem that is manifesting itself in errors with these files or settngs
[23:44:32] <Cromaglious_> anyone watch Steampunked on netflix?
[23:45:02] <Cromaglious_> Spent the weekend with Tailis and Ava in Oxnard at a steampunk faire
[23:57:12] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: glass etched linear encoder
[23:57:46] <XXCoder> ah positional sensor?
[23:58:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/manuals/forms/encoder-guide.php
[23:58:49] <XXCoder> ah rotational endcoder
[23:58:54] <CaptHindsight> linear
[23:59:10] <CaptHindsight> go farther down the page
[23:59:36] <XXCoder> ahh that barred ribbon type
[23:59:51] <CaptHindsight> etched glass