#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-10-15

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[00:05:54] <renesis> but i bet it was mad cheap and easy to roll out fast
[00:08:17] <XXCoder> I hope quantium entanglement commucation method happens someday
[00:08:22] <XXCoder> no more radar needed
[00:37:23] <Kevin`> yeah, 2.4ghz is cheap because it's used for other consumer stuff
[00:37:55] <Kevin`> radios for arbitrary frequencies are extremely rare
[00:38:10] <XXCoder> unless cheap software radio happens
[00:38:30] <Kevin`> it's already cheap enough, $200 or so for a decent transceiver
[00:38:33] <Kevin`> it's too heavy though
[00:38:42] <Kevin`> software radio needs really powerful hardware
[00:39:05] <XXCoder> interesting. would get there evenually
[00:39:19] <XXCoder> does software radio also can transmit at whatever freq?
[00:39:44] <Kevin`> yeah. it's far cheaper if you just want to receive
[00:39:45] <XXCoder> only have basic understanding lol
[00:40:07] <XXCoder> interesting
[00:41:07] <Kevin`> http://hackerwarehouse.com/product/hackrf-one-kit/
[00:41:14] <SpeedEvil> Hardware can be enormously cheaper than software in many ways
[00:41:20] <Kevin`> last time I looked for such things this looked like a good transmitter option ^
[00:41:21] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/YcQHbaVeD7I?t=214]
[00:41:24] <XXCoder> boat boiling
[00:41:40] <SpeedEvil> A $.5 crystal can do a few billion floating point calculations a second on a nanowatt of power
[00:49:33] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zh7XL15n8
[02:22:10] <Deejay> moin
[02:22:17] <XXCoder> yo
[03:38:45] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/rJBvv
[03:40:06] <XXCoder> vacuujm eh
[03:40:36] <[cube]> yea u know those cheap harbor freight dust collectors?
[03:40:58] <XXCoder> no but lets assume they are utter shit and go on from there lol
[03:41:05] <[cube]> lol
[03:41:12] <[cube]> http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_12006.jpg
[03:41:16] <[cube]> see that top bag
[03:41:23] <[cube]> the white felt
[03:41:32] <[cube]> its a 'filter'
[03:41:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:41:37] <[cube]> lets the air blow through
[03:41:44] <XXCoder> your basic seperator filter system
[03:41:45] <[cube]> but it gets clogged really fast
[03:41:52] <[cube]> especially with mdf dust
[03:41:55] <[cube]> reduces efficiency
[03:42:00] <XXCoder> how much was yours?
[03:42:07] <[cube]> 189 CAD
[03:42:10] <XXCoder> im thinking about getting one for my 3d printer
[03:42:20] <XXCoder> not too bad
[03:42:32] <[cube]> i cnc'd that wooded 'adapater' plate
[03:42:39] <[cube]> with the baffle and bucket on top
[03:42:56] <[cube]> and routed it to a pipe i buried underground
[03:43:01] <[cube]> so it exhausts directly into the forest
[03:43:09] <XXCoder> nie
[03:43:13] <XXCoder> feed animals sawdust lol
[03:43:19] <[cube]> hopefully it works, still have no idea if it will :P
[03:43:48] <[cube]> i have a slight worry that static electricity build up inside the pipe will affect the exhaust efficiency
[03:43:52] <[cube]> i guess we'll find out
[03:44:07] <XXCoder> why not http://woodgears.ca/dust_collector/fab/index.html
[03:44:26] <[cube]> tried a cyclone
[03:44:36] <[cube]> still have to empty it
[03:44:45] <[cube]> reduces efficiency
[03:44:47] <[cube]> mine was shitty
[03:45:00] <[cube]> this is like the 4th solution im trying
[03:45:14] <[cube]> i want something that i dont have to think about
[03:46:20] <XXCoder> add this system
[03:46:25] <XXCoder> pipe sawdust to heater
[03:46:43] <XXCoder> it keeps itself clean, expecially if you pipe ashes out lol
[03:46:56] <[cube]> yeah its a bit limiting
[03:47:01] <[cube]> cause i cut plastic sometimes
[03:47:17] <[cube]> and you're not supposed to burn mdf, apparently nasty stuff
[03:47:21] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:47:41] <[cube]> i have all these mdf offcuts
[03:47:50] <[cube]> they are 100% useless lol
[03:47:58] <[cube]> garbage
[03:49:16] <XXCoder> aw
[05:02:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:02:43] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:03:04] <XXCoder> I went to $1 store and grabbed a 8"x10" picture frame
[05:03:14] <XXCoder> it makes for pretty damn cheap and good glass surface.
[05:05:10] <jthornton> you put glass over the hot bed?
[05:05:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:05:42] <jthornton> what does that change?
[05:05:47] <XXCoder> didnt bother to remove tape lol http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_20161014_165851-7Bw6y6sf.1476489658.jpg
[05:06:10] <XXCoder> very good flat botton, better attachment when using elmer glue stick on it
[05:06:18] <XXCoder> elmer is much more flat on glass too,
[05:07:17] <jthornton> I've been using white rain hair spray
[05:07:42] <XXCoder> hair spray works very good on glass too from what i read
[05:08:24] <jthornton> I tried a purple glue stick but it didn't work
[05:09:02] <XXCoder> really? its been very good to me
[05:09:09] <XXCoder> interesting eh
[05:11:10] <jthornton> I got my new E3D hot end but I have to make a new mount for it
[05:11:42] <jthornton> so for now I'm just using the bottom part as it clamps the heater much better
[05:13:00] <XXCoder> nice
[05:15:22] <XXCoder> I finished tapping my 2020 extrusions for making em legs
[05:15:33] <XXCoder> but I found out I need more m4 washers. bleh.
[05:15:54] <XXCoder> just realized and checked
[05:16:07] <XXCoder> yes I have em :D I bought some for my filiment storage box
[05:16:54] <XXCoder> I guess ill do legs tomorrow
[05:17:04] <XXCoder> too busy printing stuff
[05:22:10] <XXCoder> o what ya making now heh
[05:22:31] <jthornton> the new X axis slide
[05:22:49] <jthornton> started printing it but it had a problem so I quit
[05:23:01] <XXCoder> got pics?
[05:23:34] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1828388
[05:23:56] <jthornton> I have to put more curve on the clamp ears
[05:23:56] <XXCoder> thats looks same as mine?
[05:24:02] <XXCoder> or you are recreating it?
[05:24:12] <XXCoder> or is e3d real version not clone?
[05:24:13] <jthornton> new from scrach
[05:24:43] <jthornton> it's a $14 one from amazon but it is true to the real one in dimensions
[05:25:31] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010MSTVZO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:25:42] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H4VSVXU/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:25:47] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:25:48] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050RMC7W/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:25:52] <XXCoder> is fan included?
[05:25:53] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UJ97T8I/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:25:56] <jthornton> yes
[05:26:14] <jthornton> got some 10mm rod and bearings for the y axis to beef it up a bit
[05:26:17] <XXCoder> thats nice but isnt plastic fine?
[05:26:41] <jthornton> for what?
[05:27:21] * jthornton goes to see if the coffee is ready
[05:28:18] <XXCoder> linear rail support
[05:29:12] <jthornton> I suppose they are ok but if I can get aluminum ones they are much more precise
[05:29:22] <jthornton> I'm removing the springs too
[05:30:50] <jthornton> when you print do you preheat?
[05:30:54] <XXCoder> I'd suggest wait on that till you get inductor sensor setup, or that servo switch z sensor
[05:31:16] <XXCoder> or it would not matter anymore once its decoupled so you cant crash enough to damage anything
[05:31:52] <jthornton> I'm confidant in the Z axis now
[05:32:16] <jthornton> I turn on pla preheat then hit print and it saves a lot of warm up time
[05:32:41] <XXCoder> heh cardboard under the bed makes bed temp go up lot faster,.
[05:32:52] <XXCoder> I mean, more than double faster,
[05:33:05] <XXCoder> It was 10 min to 50c, now its around 3 minutes
[05:33:15] <XXCoder> cooldown, however have opposite issue :P
[05:33:20] <jthornton> I'm planning on putting some fiberglass itch under it
[05:33:41] <jthornton> hmm mount a cool down fan on the side
[05:33:52] <XXCoder> I just used backing of $1 picture frame. glass on top lol
[05:34:06] <XXCoder> so I suppose alum bed is now a ... picure thats framed :P
[05:34:36] <XXCoder> it still needs good cooling system, double duct probably will hit that bolt as glass is pretty thin
[05:44:19] <jthornton> I still need to devise a way to tension the X axis belt on the head
[05:45:21] <XXCoder> theres a few on thingverse
[05:46:04] <jthornton> I could not find any for our machines
[05:46:25] <XXCoder> belts is pretty generic
[05:46:45] <jthornton> I mean the X axis part
[05:47:17] <XXCoder> it dont come with one but really all you need to do is restrain screws
[05:47:22] <XXCoder> that will make wobble worse
[05:47:31] <XXCoder> lucky mines immune to that now.
[05:47:43] <jthornton> mine has never wobbled
[05:47:54] <jthornton> lucky me
[05:47:55] <XXCoder> got pics of print?
[05:48:04] <XXCoder> mine was very good but still slight wobble
[05:48:17] <XXCoder> friend of mine heh his was pretty bad. different printer.
[05:53:36] <jthornton> let me see
[05:54:06] <XXCoder> your printer isnt slanted? youre better on building than me lol
[05:54:12] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1821456
[05:54:29] <XXCoder> yah saw that
[05:54:32] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1818785
[05:54:52] <XXCoder> yah saw that too
[05:54:56] <XXCoder> nice one too
[05:57:32] <jthornton> the E3D is actually shorter than the one we got by about 5mm or so
[05:57:52] <XXCoder> ow not compitable with mine then
[05:58:11] <XXCoder> with anti-wobble its already less than 5 mm from couplers when z switch hit
[05:58:48] <jthornton> the Z switch holder and nut I printed is very nice, you can make precise adjustments now
[05:58:54] <jthornton> and it stays put
[05:59:23] <jthornton> I got an assorted pack of nozzles from 0.2mm to 0.6mm
[05:59:25] <XXCoder> heh im using stock one till I get induction sensor
[05:59:29] <XXCoder> then its goone
[05:59:38] <XXCoder> replaced with another of my 9 degree brace
[06:00:10] <jthornton> I'd bet there is no two printers in the world that are identical
[06:00:29] <archivist> all in a state of repair :)
[06:00:50] <XXCoder> jthornton: indeed ours is so different now.
[06:02:09] <jthornton> dunno about repair but improving yea
[06:02:31] <XXCoder> archivist: seems 99.999% of printering is for printers lol
[06:02:42] <XXCoder> not really but sure seems so once a while.
[06:06:12] <XXCoder> jthornton: wanna do https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:278422
[06:06:16] <XXCoder> but dunno lol
[06:06:57] <archivist> make a better one
[06:07:20] <jthornton> yea dunno about that
[06:07:31] <jthornton> I need to print some oled mounts
[06:07:56] <XXCoder> search in thingverse sucks
[06:08:11] <XXCoder> something I just do "thingverse (words)" in google and find better stuff.
[06:16:39] <jthornton> you can do a google site search and that is pretty good
[06:17:41] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:18:03] <XXCoder> btw im using my alarm lights to charge glowy skull and fidget toy for pictures
[06:19:03] <jthornton> cool
[06:19:49] <XXCoder> heh my alarm has 2 1000 lumen lights
[06:19:53] <XXCoder> bright.
[06:21:04] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:685036
[06:21:55] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:22:33] <jthornton> not a very good spyder lol
[06:22:50] <XXCoder> looked for elio. 2 results.
[06:22:56] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=elio&sa=
[06:23:34] <jthornton> print your own elio why wait for them
[06:23:43] <XXCoder> lol
[06:23:57] <XXCoder> I cant wait
[06:24:02] <XXCoder> but probably 200 years :P
[06:24:21] <XXCoder> ah well i;; just use this discarded statis box
[06:25:57] <Tom_L> hard to beat those reprappers outta bed...
[06:26:28] <jthornton> lol
[06:26:38] <jthornton> got get up early...
[06:28:31] <Tom_L> you know if your sw is new enough it has a 3d print option?
[06:28:44] <jthornton> didn't know that
[06:28:52] <XXCoder> what sw
[06:28:55] <XXCoder> linuxcnc?
[06:29:09] <jthornton> I have 2015 but use 2014 so onecnc can open the files
[06:29:12] <Tom_L> solidworks
[06:29:15] <jthornton> SolidWorks
[06:29:24] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:29:25] <Tom_L> jelly on fingers...
[06:30:18] <Tom_L> you can's save under older versions?
[06:30:20] <jthornton> dang can't find a small 3d spider to print
[06:30:31] <jthornton> no, not in sw
[06:30:47] <jthornton> if you have a 2015 file you can't open it in 2014
[06:31:00] <jthornton> you have to save as an iges or step file
[06:31:07] <Tom_L> ahh that kinda sucks
[06:31:29] <jthornton> yup
[06:32:50] <XXCoder> too bad
[06:33:51] <jthornton> you do any glow in the dark filament?
[06:34:35] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:183096
[06:35:14] <XXCoder> heh I have bunch of em now
[06:35:21] <XXCoder> grimicing pumpkin is AWESOME
[06:35:29] <XXCoder> I have skull to give to coworker
[06:35:32] <jthornton> print ok?
[06:35:34] <XXCoder> fidget toy
[06:35:38] <Tom_L> only works under windows 8.1 and above
[06:35:52] <XXCoder> yeah. though it does do visiable wear to extrude 608 lol
[06:36:40] <XXCoder> now glow in dark ILY hand profile
[06:37:00] <XXCoder> btw dont use it with your orginial nozzle
[06:37:05] <XXCoder> it will cause wear
[06:37:12] <XXCoder> my machine has stainless steel
[06:43:31] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/E3D-v6-Extra-Nozzle-Stainless/dp/B00Q7799OI
[06:43:36] <jthornton> like that one?
[06:44:10] <XXCoder> more or less. lemme find one I ordered
[06:44:28] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G3G4QEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[06:45:07] <jthornton> dang 5 pcs for $7.29 are they good?
[06:45:12] <XXCoder> so far
[06:45:31] <XXCoder> one has been abused so hard by all that glowy shit and still rocking
[06:49:30] <Jymmm> I have some GITD hot glue sticks =)
[06:50:09] <XXCoder> fancy. ,much better than my printer.
[06:51:21] <Jymmm> I used them to make the step rises look like they were bleeding
[06:51:53] <Jymmm> (had black lights on ceiling)
[06:53:05] <Jymmm> s/rises/risers/
[07:02:30] <XXCoder> nicr
[07:18:26] <JT-i3> lets see if it prints this time, had to adjust the 15mm hole size to 15.4
[07:21:14] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/i3-clone-01.jpg
[07:22:03] <XXCoder> its done?
[07:22:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: is that the china special you bought?
[07:23:01] <JT-Shop> printing it now
[07:23:02] <JT-Shop> yea
[07:23:23] <JT-Shop> same but different as XXCoder's
[07:23:36] <JT-Shop> got the new extruder on
[07:23:39] <XXCoder> heh yup, I made changes thats not same too
[07:23:49] <Jymmm> Cool, are the black plastic pieces of it "printed"
[07:23:56] <XXCoder> some of it
[07:24:02] <XXCoder> some seems laser cut
[07:24:55] <JT-Shop> the acrylic is water jet cut the cough cough extruder is injection molded and the rest printed
[07:25:13] <Jymmm> k
[07:25:43] <Jymmm> Not bad for $250
[07:25:51] <JT-Shop> $218
[07:25:54] <JT-Shop> delivered
[07:26:02] <XXCoder> his was cheaper
[07:26:06] <JT-Shop> delivered dhl very very fast
[07:26:06] <XXCoder> mine is 250 delivered
[07:26:17] <XXCoder> and very very slowly
[07:26:33] <JT-Shop> is was 220 plus a store coupon for 2
[07:27:04] <JT-Shop> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Full-Metal-Frame-3D-Printer-Professional-3d-Color-Printer-with-8GB-SD-Card-LCD-One-Roll/32705186296.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.lL070l
[07:27:49] <XXCoder> mines same actually
[07:27:58] <XXCoder> you got yours on sale. bah, lol
[07:28:09] <JT-Shop> lol plus a coupon
[07:28:24] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: know whats strange thing about decoupler?
[07:28:28] <Jymmm> oh, it's all self contained? No computer needed?
[07:28:31] <XXCoder> it dont give a flip when print curls
[07:28:36] <XXCoder> it will keep printing
[07:28:42] <XXCoder> Jymmm: it can be euther
[07:29:01] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it will literally lift and lower as it goes over curled parts LOL
[07:29:15] <XXCoder> off and back on the decouper adoptors
[07:29:27] <XXCoder> its also crash-proof for this reason also.
[07:29:36] <XXCoder> it'll just touch bed and stop
[07:29:58] <XXCoder> so only decoupers would crash into screw coupers LOL
[07:30:56] <JT-Shop> dang it started to lift up on the skinny area
[07:31:09] <XXCoder> yay
[07:31:15] <XXCoder> it's starting to "unlift"
[07:31:21] <XXCoder> lowered from 210c to 200c
[07:31:31] <JT-Shop> hole size is good
[07:31:32] <XXCoder> so its slowly evening up becaue curls stopped
[07:31:35] <XXCoder> nice
[07:32:50] <XXCoder> I just hope it dont ever hit curled up parts before its low enough or it may well push part off bed
[07:34:50] <JT-i3> just figured out how to tension the X belt
[07:35:35] <XXCoder> yeah?
[07:35:44] <XXCoder> I just used spring clip lol
[07:36:01] <JT-i3> that reduced the X travel on mine
[07:37:40] <JT-i3> take one end of the belt through the slot and out the top slot then put a tensioner on it
[07:38:42] <XXCoder> that increases x travel I guess
[07:45:26] <JT-i3> lifting up again on the thin part
[07:45:46] <XXCoder> abs?
[07:45:59] <JT-i3> pla
[07:46:36] <XXCoder> hm interesting. tape and elmers glue?
[07:50:29] <JT-i3> I have some titebond glue
[07:53:41] <JT-i3> I put a 2mm brim on it
[07:54:09] <XXCoder> yeah should help
[07:55:46] <JT-i3> what kind of material do you think the printed parts are on our printers?
[07:56:16] <XXCoder> dunno
[07:56:26] <XXCoder> there is couple tests can do
[07:56:32] <Jymmm> playdough
[07:56:38] <XXCoder> acetone, and other one for pla
[08:02:08] <JT-i3> doing better this time, funny the first print did not curl up...
[08:02:24] <XXCoder> the damned ghost is curling all time'
[08:02:32] <XXCoder> its like actual ghost is pushing it up
[08:02:54] <XXCoder> screw it, setting to 190c
[08:02:55] <Jymmm> Wholy crap... BTU/hr needed: Uninsulated= 33K, insulated=9K
[08:03:11] <XXCoder> crazy
[08:03:13] <JT-i3> says 2:30 print time
[08:03:36] <JT-i3> all my buildings are super insulated
[08:04:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 4" walls?
[08:04:09] <XXCoder> this house sucks
[08:04:23] <XXCoder> garage and downstairs living room has no isulation. at all.
[08:04:31] <JT-i3> 6" walls with 16" in attic
[08:04:37] <XXCoder> my heat gun says 30f on inside wall LOL
[08:04:49] <JT-i3> ouch
[08:04:50] <XXCoder> lst winter. winter before I found 15F
[08:05:17] <JT-i3> what is the oat
[08:05:48] <XXCoder> oat?
[08:05:53] <XXCoder> for horses? heh
[08:06:01] <JT-Shop> outside air temperature
[08:06:02] <Jymmm> outdoor ambient temperature?
[08:06:06] <XXCoder> oh same
[08:06:24] <XXCoder> warmer sometimes. garage usually is colder than outside. summers hotter
[08:06:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: you know those free newspapers?
[08:07:14] <XXCoder> yeah not up to code
[08:07:27] <Jymmm> ok, blown in works great too
[08:08:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:09:01] <XXCoder> just blow in abestos heh
[08:09:14] <XXCoder> blantantly illegal and they wont know till they try improve house :P
[08:09:22] <Jymmm> Nah, wood chips
[08:09:41] <XXCoder> heh super flammable
[08:09:57] <Jymmm> doubles as emergency heating fuel ;)
[08:10:00] <XXCoder> maybe just fill with whatever chips my cnc makes.
[08:15:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Makes sure to sprinkle in some aluminum dust too
[08:15:10] <Jymmm> make*
[08:15:18] <XXCoder> fancy
[08:21:28] <XXCoder> finalllly
[08:21:35] <XXCoder> it gets past the awkward part
[08:21:48] <XXCoder> its getting smaller so no more curls
[08:22:02] <XXCoder> next hard part is head lol
[08:37:54] * Jymmm lmao @ XXCoder
[08:38:14] <XXCoder> what? it's just about sex
[08:38:50] <Jymmm> XXCoder: read back the last four lines you said
[08:39:00] <XXCoder> I know, its about sex
[08:39:09] <XXCoder> what you thought it was about 3d printing?
[08:39:18] <Jymmm> hahaha
[08:39:24] <XXCoder> heh
[08:41:29] <Jymmm> Damn, big orange borg doesn't carry these =( https://www.acwholesalers.com/Continental-Fan/WYE-04-Y-Fitting-4-x4-x4-Duct/35089.ac
[08:42:03] <Jymmm> oh, hawt damn, yes they do... http://www.homedepot.com/p/4-in-x-4-in-x-4-in-Wye-Y4X4X4/100396979
[08:42:23] <Jymmm> silly me, thinking wye is spelled 'Y'
[08:45:42] <archivist> only spelled that way over there
[08:47:31] <Jymmm> In an attempt to try and recover lost winter heat, I made one of these indoor dryer lint collectors from a 5gal bucket/lid, it works great for collecting lint, but DAMN does it get humid. I have a 4" blast gate, so going to try and "balance indoor/outdoor venting https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lBwM_t34yK8/maxresdefault.jpg
[08:48:38] <XXCoder> dont use an exchanger?
[08:48:49] <XXCoder> warm outside air with dryer
[08:49:08] <archivist> make a proper heat exchanger for air change
[08:49:21] <Jymmm> not sure HOW I would even do that?
[08:49:24] <CaptHindsight> we used to use an old t-shirt as a filter
[08:50:20] <Jymmm> how would you collect the heat from blown air?
[08:50:39] <gregcnc_> air/air heat exchanger
[08:50:47] <XXCoder> yeaj
[08:50:48] <Jymmm> pic?
[08:50:50] <archivist> http://handmadematt.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/heat-recovery-ventilation-heat.html
[08:51:13] <XXCoder> can be done more than once to extract as much heat as possble
[08:53:47] <gregcnc_> for that to work on a dryer vent you'll have to get all the lint out
[08:53:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:54:01] <XXCoder> just use big filter
[08:54:08] <gregcnc_> yeah
[08:54:14] <XXCoder> larger surface area the better
[08:54:16] <gregcnc_> maybe it won't get soggy
[08:55:52] <Jymmm> Maybe I can just use two 4" holes in the bucket lid, instead of eight 2" holes for the exhaust
[08:56:13] <Jymmm> dryer...bucket... exchanger...
[08:56:39] <Jymmm> archivist: thanks for the link
[08:57:27] <Jymmm> and I have a half sheet of that corigated material already too
[08:58:06] <XXCoder> you can do more than one exchanger
[08:58:15] <XXCoder> go past 50% max for single exchanger
[09:01:21] <gregcnc_> if done right you'll condense all the water in the exhaust. That's where the heat is.
[09:02:30] <Jymmm> gregcnc_: and mold =)
[09:02:42] <XXCoder> not if properly managed
[09:13:03] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:13:11] <XXCoder> hey
[09:13:28] <pink_vampire> how are you XXCoder
[09:13:37] <XXCoder> tired. lol
[09:13:46] <MacGalempsy_> Jymmm: any progress pics?
[09:16:15] <MacGalempsy_> pink_vampire: https://flic.kr/p/MLFJkE
[09:16:49] <pink_vampire> MacGalempsy_: what is that?/
[09:17:00] <XXCoder> fancy
[09:17:06] <XXCoder> 3d printed?
[09:17:48] <MacGalempsy_> XXCoder: yep. was trying to make a vase base, but it didnt go so well when I mixed up the ID and OD
[09:17:57] <XXCoder> lol
[09:18:01] <MacGalempsy_> so these second one there was a fancier attempt.
[09:18:31] <pink_vampire> it's also done on the mill?
[09:18:50] <MacGalempsy_> but it did not have the height, so I added a 1/2" footer to legs and its printing now
[09:18:57] <MacGalempsy_> no, I have a mill for milling :P
[09:19:04] <MacGalempsy_> and a printer for printing :P
[09:19:21] <XXCoder> well she got mill that can also print lol
[09:19:27] <XXCoder> then mill that print
[09:20:08] <MacGalempsy_> lol.
[09:20:32] <XXCoder> yeah it looks kinda cool
[09:20:46] <MacGalempsy_> i must say that fusion360 is excellent for 3d printers. once you get a body, all you have to do is right click and export the stl
[09:23:22] <MacGalempsy> and so far, every single export has been manifold. with sketchup, I was always having to fix the exports with netfabb
[09:23:49] <sync> MacGalempsy: my experience with NX is the same
[09:24:03] <sync> export as stl, import into the slicer and print away
[09:24:17] <XXCoder> I use freecad, never had any issues
[09:24:37] <MacGalempsy> NX?
[09:25:09] <XXCoder> NX?
[09:26:24] <sync> siemens NX
[09:31:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I have some aluminum honeycomb too, maybe I can incorporate that into the heat exchanger somehow.
[09:31:32] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Nah, just the two cores I pulled from the window AC yesterday.
[09:31:47] <XXCoder> how do you offset cold and warm air? unless its also in cross?
[09:32:04] <MacGalempsy> sync: that looks like sime $$$ software
[09:32:23] <sync> I have a broken air/air exchanger that sits under your window, it uses .3mm PE sheets welded together
[09:33:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: offset? or you mean exchange?
[09:33:23] <sync> yes MacGalempsy
[09:33:41] <XXCoder> yeah how to pipe cold air and warm air into it but keep seperate
[09:34:05] <XXCoder> those plastic corrigated boards its simple because you can alterate direction stack
[09:34:11] <XXCoder> your hex thingy I dont know
[09:34:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: the corigated sheets cross cross at right angles
[09:34:29] <Jymmm> / \\ // \\
[09:34:30] <XXCoder> yeah like i said :)
[09:34:46] <XXCoder> oh those ehx thingy is also corrigated type?
[09:34:56] <XXCoder> pretty much same setup then. more effecient due to metal
[09:36:25] <Jymmm> I suppose you could laminate aluminum foil between each layer of corigated plastic to improve thermal conduction
[09:36:58] <sync> or dump thermal compound inbetween
[09:37:06] <XXCoder> bigger means better also, up to 50%. you can cheat and do second exchanger to go past that
[09:37:20] <JT-i3> looks like pretty much a successful print... too bad I changed it a bit
[09:37:24] <XXCoder> meaning you use cooler air but still warmer air to "pre-warm" outside air
[09:38:15] <XXCoder> more times you do this, more heat you retain, up to near 100%, but really theres no point past maybe 2 or 3
[09:39:07] <MacGalempsy> JT-i3: pic?
[09:39:52] <XXCoder> i'd recommand isulate the "pre=warmer" as it'll be cooler overall than room temperate
[09:40:04] <Jymmm> Well, there's at least 6" of depth and 8+ft of length behind the W&D. And those signboard sheets come in 8ft lengths, so could do a back-and-fourth 2 or three times before elvis leaves the building.
[09:40:31] <XXCoder> I'd recommand 2 seperate packages
[09:40:42] <XXCoder> 75% max theorical effencacy
[09:42:53] <Jymmm> sync: Thermal grease doens't come in caulking gun tube (that I'm aware of) ;)
[09:44:01] <XXCoder> 3 packages = around 87% theroical effenacy though last 2 would need to be isulated too lol
[09:44:11] <XXCoder> damn too tired cant spell
[09:45:29] <sync> oh yes it does Jymmm
[09:45:33] <Jymmm> 50% is better than no percent, and adding foil between the layers will help improve conduction.
[09:45:36] <Jymmm> sync: link?
[09:45:52] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I highly recommand second one to get to 75% lol but yeah
[09:45:59] <sync> no link, but I have used it out of one before
[09:46:12] <XXCoder> dont forget to isulate the second one (which would be colder)
[09:46:16] <JT-i3> MacGalempsy: http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/i3-clone-02.jpg
[09:46:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: For every transition, there is going to be loss. Be it airflow or thermal.
[09:46:57] <XXCoder> JT-i3: looking good
[09:47:15] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yeah thats why I said theorical. assuming perfection. but yeah always will have losses
[09:48:59] <XXCoder> JT-i3: I find it really funny whenb printer is making parts for it
[09:49:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: By transition, I meant in respect to having multiple units inside of one LARGER one.
[09:49:40] <Jymmm> s/inside/instead/
[09:49:48] <JT-i3> thanks
[09:49:50] <XXCoder> ahh yea
[09:50:08] <XXCoder> jt the ghost is pretty close to done
[09:50:16] <XXCoder> its hood oroment of ghostbusters car
[09:50:23] <XXCoder> looks so cool. glow in dark too.
[09:50:26] <JT-i3> which one are you priting
[09:50:32] <JT-i3> printing even
[09:50:40] <XXCoder> lemme link
[09:51:40] <XXCoder> the corrected 2 eyes version of https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1615616
[09:51:46] <XXCoder> it has both error and corrected
[09:52:55] <JT-Shop> cool, petg or pla?
[09:53:01] <MacGalempsy_> XXCoder: my first 30 prints were probably parts to fix the piece of junk the guy shipped
[09:53:03] <XXCoder> pla glowuy
[09:53:11] <XXCoder> mac ow.
[09:53:25] <JT-Shop> that sucks MacGalempsy
[09:53:27] <XXCoder> I only needed to print anti-wobble and 90 degree brace and it was good
[09:53:48] <JT-Shop> I had to use some tape shims to tighten up some of the holes
[09:54:02] <MacGalempsy_> he casted all the corner brackets on the mm1.5 in pla and several were cracked
[09:54:14] <XXCoder> heh didnt have that, just one hole I had to tap and force bolt into
[09:54:19] <XXCoder> bad print sector
[09:56:58] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: the glass is really working out.
[09:57:02] <XXCoder> not bad for $1!
[09:57:33] <JT-Shop> cool, do you use any glue on the glass?
[09:57:40] <XXCoder> elmer pruple stick yeah
[09:57:52] <XXCoder> one benefit of glass is glue is VERY thin
[09:58:30] <JT-Shop> I need to get some elmers purple, my cheap purple didn't work at all
[09:58:51] <XXCoder> when they recommand brand usually really mean it. like aquanet.
[09:58:52] <JT-Shop> do you get a nice slick bottom surface?
[09:58:56] <XXCoder> no idea why. voodoo.
[09:59:01] <XXCoder> yeah like glass!
[09:59:05] <JT-Shop> cool
[09:59:18] <XXCoder> $1 store, 8x10" frame lol
[09:59:22] <XXCoder> if it breaks whatever
[09:59:38] <XXCoder> if i had glass cutter I'd easily majke it 8"x8"
[10:01:23] <MacGalempsy_> Went to lowes and made the glass cutter guy cut me 195mm squares
[10:01:36] <MacGalempsy_> no charge for the cuts
[10:01:53] <XXCoder> nice lol
[10:01:56] <MacGalempsy_> bathroom mirror was the cheapest
[10:02:02] <XXCoder> how mkuch was it for those
[10:02:10] <XXCoder> mirror print sounds cool LOL
[10:02:20] <MacGalempsy_> like $13 or near there
[10:02:28] <XXCoder> lol 13 picture frames
[10:02:38] <MacGalempsy_> mirror is thicker
[10:02:56] <MacGalempsy_> i kept breaking regular plate glass
[10:03:11] <XXCoder> yeah I probably will break it if I ever went abs
[10:03:17] <XXCoder> petg unknown
[10:04:01] <MacGalempsy_> all I print is ABS
[10:04:16] <XXCoder> I have abs filiment
[10:04:19] <XXCoder> havent tried it
[10:05:02] <MacGalempsy_> i like it because no annoying fan is required
[10:05:18] <XXCoder> heh
[10:05:27] <XXCoder> I can sleep with it chugging away :P
[10:05:55] <XXCoder> only reason I didnt because I acciently set 5 peremeters which meant curling and need some tlc
[10:22:19] <MacGalempsy_> my current print settings still leaves a little bit of a bubble when the perimter jogs to the outer most ring.
[10:26:11] <nubcake> holy shit, the machine is running :o
[10:26:31] <nubcake> only thing left to do is to find the proper settings for the A-motor
[10:27:28] <MacGalempsy> no video, no proof
[10:27:53] <Tom_L> dats da law
[10:27:55] <XXCoder> no proof, no belive
[10:28:28] <Tom_L> intimidaed so easy
[10:28:30] <MacGalempsy> lol.
[10:28:42] <MacGalempsy> yep. he got scared
[10:29:24] <XXCoder> or just one of those who uses irc as blog
[10:30:10] <MacGalempsy> people do that?
[10:30:24] <XXCoder> yes.
[10:30:45] <XXCoder> there used to be one germany guy who went in, expolained event then left before anyone could commet
[10:30:54] <XXCoder> daily.
[10:32:31] <XXCoder> think germany anyway. been a while and guy never answered anything
[10:35:50] <MacGalempsy> interesting.
[10:36:15] <MacGalempsy> I think the real blog would be added to the following 10 comments to be more like reality
[10:36:43] <XXCoder> typical:
[10:36:46] <XXCoder> (enter)
[10:37:02] <XXCoder> hey everyone! I did (something) (stuff) wow nice stuff
[10:37:04] <XXCoder> (exit()
[10:37:37] <XXCoder> or "whatever today have been boring" :P
[10:38:09] <XXCoder> well time to try to sleep
[10:44:51] <MacGalempsy> good night
[10:59:59] <pink_vampire> why the threaded shaft on the Kant Twist Clamp made out of copper??
[11:01:13] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: archivist?
[11:01:20] <BeachBumPete> I never used one of those but they are supposed to be pretty nice. I use vise grip clamps for welding etc.
[11:02:55] <BeachBumPete> they are also perfect for cabinetry work and install work holding cabinets together while you screw them to the next one or to the wall.
[11:03:11] <archivist> only plated
[11:04:35] <pink_vampire> is there any reason to plate it in copper? bearing material?
[11:06:28] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[11:06:58] <archivist> stops corrosion
[11:07:22] <archivist> as for welding, hardly helps at all
[11:08:02] <MacGalempsy_> doesnt copper or brass usually mean the plating is gone?
[11:08:12] <BeachBumPete> man I am so pleased that my VMC is FINALLY home LOL
[11:08:26] <nubcake> in which order does the reference/homing thing home the axis?
[11:08:34] * MacGalempsy_ applauds
[11:08:48] <MacGalempsy_> no picks, no proof
[11:08:55] <pink_vampire> BeachBumPete: happy chips
[11:09:18] <archivist> MacGalempsy_, copper is often the first in multiple layers because it plates nicely
[11:09:24] <nubcake> x then y then z ?
[11:09:49] <BeachBumPete> thanks pink
[11:10:15] <BeachBumPete> oh you don't need proof when its large and in charge in the shop ;)
[11:10:49] <MacGalempsy_> lol.
[11:11:29] <BeachBumPete> seriously now I have a BUNCH of work to do getting the wiring hooked all back up inside the electronics cabinet and also getting the sub panel finished so I can power the beast
[11:11:47] <MacGalempsy_> nubcake: you would want z first, so it doesnt crash on a lateral move
[11:12:32] <BeachBumPete> I believe you can determine the order
[11:12:59] <MacGalempsy_> my defaults were z,x,y
[11:17:47] <MacGalempsy_> one thing I hate about my printer is that the support layers always look better than the part
[11:18:57] <BeachBumPete> I might need to grab one of those 3d printers JT was using for $225 or something like that It would be fun to play with anywya
[11:22:14] <archivist> contemplating, convert an audio amp to a dc servo amp :)
[11:22:32] <BeachBumPete> tube amp? ;)
[11:22:40] <archivist> hellno
[11:22:45] <BeachBumPete> Whew
[11:22:56] <archivist> I put toobs in the bonfire
[11:23:09] <BeachBumPete> AAAAHHHHHHHH
[11:23:21] <renesis> tubes are for preamps
[11:23:37] <renesis> archivist: what chip?
[11:23:50] <archivist> no chip
[11:24:03] <renesis> oh just a reg audio amp?
[11:24:39] <archivist> I have a couple of https://www.quasarelectronics.co.uk/Item/cebek-e-9-mono-hi-fi-audio-power-amplifier-module-180w-rms
[11:24:46] <renesis> shrug, i dont think that a standard 100W audio amp is going to push 100W at 100% duty
[11:25:19] <archivist> I dont expect same duty
[11:25:28] <renesis> ha i woulnt trust that shit at all
[11:25:46] <renesis> "professional" and "hi-fi" are completely diff categories of products
[11:25:52] <archivist> I know
[11:26:05] <archivist> hence repurposing them
[11:26:18] <renesis> what is that in real money units?
[11:26:45] <archivist> they cost me 0
[11:26:49] <renesis> $60, shrug
[11:26:52] <renesis> oh well thats neat
[11:27:41] <renesis> ha i dont think they understand what output impedance means
[11:27:41] <archivist> still in the crappy bubble card, had them for about 10 years
[11:28:10] <renesis> ha how you gonna call a thing with 47k input hi-fi
[11:28:24] <renesis> thats approaching a guitar amp
[11:28:25] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: since you have the VMC, you should just make your own brackets
[11:28:44] <renesis> and by you i dont mean you i mean they
[11:28:46] <MacGalempsy> however, 200 for the base with electronics is good.
[11:29:32] <archivist> short the input cap drive with dc :)
[11:29:33] <zeeshan> anyone here run a newer mazatrol?
[11:29:48] <zeeshan> my company is sending me for training to assess CAM vs conversational
[11:30:07] <zeeshan> i really don't understand why there is a resistance to bringing in CAM
[11:30:23] <renesis> archivist: the dinosaur output devices are pretty cool tho, heh
[11:30:31] * MacGalempsy is excited, we are going offroading today
[11:30:41] <MacGalempsy> kind of, anyways
[11:30:44] <archivist> because cam lacks the machinists knowledge
[11:31:08] <zeeshan> theres no competition between conversational and cam as far as i am concerned
[11:31:21] <zeeshan> a plate with 28 holes w/ no pattern
[11:31:27] <zeeshan> operator types in all the coordinates by hand
[11:31:28] <archivist> lazy likes cam
[11:31:31] <zeeshan> vs one click on the cam
[11:31:35] <zeeshan> one of those holes move
[11:31:41] <zeeshan> cam code updates automatically
[11:31:51] <zeeshan> the one thing i really want to know is if you pocket or contour with mazatrol
[11:31:56] <zeeshan> does it use hsm or adaptive paths or not
[11:32:06] <zeeshan> or still uses ancient conventional paths
[11:32:17] <sync> I think you can make it use hsm
[11:32:30] <sync> zeeshan: probably because of old times sake
[11:32:43] <Tom_L> zeeshan do they not have any good cnc programmers?
[11:32:50] <Tom_L> maybe that's why they want conversational
[11:32:52] <zeeshan> so it'll know to slow down automatically at corners?
[11:33:23] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/MLT7s3
[11:33:27] <zeeshan> i dont want to get into the politics
[11:33:34] <zeeshan> but i'll definitely be a thorn for a while
[11:33:38] <zeeshan> lets leave it at that!
[11:33:42] <Tom_L> hah
[11:33:45] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: there is part of my modelling so far for the knob
[11:34:32] <MacGalempsy> the print quality isnt the greatest, but im trying to get the angles to match
[11:34:33] <Tom_L> well if they want you to assess it, part of that would be the knowledge base they have to work with
[11:34:43] <zeeshan> yes
[11:34:52] <zeeshan> thats exactly why the eng manager is sending me for training
[11:34:57] <Tom_L> so are they button pushing idiots or real programmers?
[11:35:03] <zeeshan> real programmers
[11:35:08] <zeeshan> really good ones too
[11:35:11] <Tom_L> the answer is clear then
[11:35:14] <renesis> ya
[11:35:26] <renesis> because they usually dont need cam and its expensive and complicated
[11:35:35] <zeeshan> we built factories
[11:35:39] <renesis> tho yeah thats not really gonna fly on complex parts
[11:35:41] <zeeshan> we build extremely complex parts
[11:36:00] <zeeshan> our parts go through small design changes
[11:36:04] <zeeshan> but they might be very similar
[11:36:09] <Tom_L> with a model it would be easy to mod
[11:36:11] <zeeshan> holes moving etc
[11:36:21] <zeeshan> everything is engineered and modelled
[11:36:30] <zeeshan> there is just a disconnect from design to manufacturing
[11:36:45] <zeeshan> like imagine this, you got a simple spiral plug
[11:36:46] <Tom_L> even table driven parts would save time once you were past the initial setup for them
[11:36:46] <renesis> are they losing money?
[11:36:56] <zeeshan> its 5" long with a pitch of like 3 tpi
[11:37:16] <zeeshan> the next job it is 6"
[11:37:17] <Tom_L> i made one such part
[11:37:24] <zeeshan> the programmer has to reprogram that crap
[11:37:28] <zeeshan> renesis: nah
[11:37:46] <renesis> then yeah you just have to hard sell it that theyll make even more money
[11:37:58] <zeeshan> i dont need to sell anything!
[11:38:00] <renesis> because sounds like nothing is broken and they know their shit
[11:38:01] <zeeshan> i just need to provide facts
[11:38:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Lathe/thread1.jpg
[11:38:05] <Tom_L> 3 tpi
[11:38:24] <archivist> I do regular parts that vary (teeth/dia/whatever) in my gcode though, dont need cam for that
[11:38:33] <renesis> well if you want them to go CAM, youre selling it
[11:38:35] <zeeshan> its not a regular pitch
[11:38:39] <zeeshan> its a 3d surface profile
[11:38:42] <Tom_L> yeah
[11:38:42] <zeeshan> i cant post the part
[11:38:49] <Tom_L> i've seen such parts
[11:39:25] <zeeshan> and no human is perfect
[11:39:25] <Tom_L> so which one is gonna be more cost effective? reprogram or a cad cam fix?
[11:39:30] <zeeshan> even if its a simple plate with multiple holes in it
[11:39:35] <zeeshan> i say use cam
[11:39:42] <renesis> no human is perfect is prob their argument against CAM
[11:39:43] <zeeshan> it eliminates that reading drawing and entering numbers error
[11:39:46] <renesis> you can fuck it up both ways
[11:39:55] <Tom_L> ^^
[11:39:55] <zeeshan> w/ cam if your model is wrong
[11:40:01] <zeeshan> thats really the only way to fuck it up
[11:40:15] <zeeshan> (at least for the plate w/ holes example\)
[11:40:17] <renesis> yeah i dont really think thats the case
[11:40:17] <Tom_L> you have a better chance of catching it there with less waste
[11:40:28] <renesis> holes in plates in like 2 minutes of gcode
[11:40:32] <zeeshan> almost all job shops ive walked to
[11:40:35] <zeeshan> use some sort of cam
[11:40:48] <renesis> shit for gcode that simple its almost worth checking the code manually after generation
[11:40:55] <SpeedEvil> DRO is almost as good in some cases.
[11:41:07] <SpeedEvil> For very small one-offs.
[11:41:08] <renesis> yeah but most shops cant program CNC for shit without CAM
[11:41:14] <Tom_L> the next question would be how many different machines are expected to make the same parts
[11:41:19] <renesis> so the fact that your shop can is prob not a bad thing
[11:41:29] <BeachBumPete> I Like CAM
[11:41:32] <BeachBumPete> :)
[11:41:34] <Tom_L> cam could simply re'post the code
[11:41:42] <archivist> cam is currently too expensive
[11:41:43] <Tom_L> i like ICE CREAM
[11:41:49] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy Those parts look....eh...nice
[11:42:03] <renesis> CAM is great, but if you cant do gcode, CAM Is basically all you got with no way to check your work
[11:42:04] <Tom_L> archivist it will probably stay that way too
[11:42:06] <BeachBumPete> Ooh I like Ice Cream too
[11:42:22] <BeachBumPete> now that is false
[11:42:24] <zeeshan> no one is saying cam is going to replace conversational or g-code
[11:42:32] <renesis> archivist: ya a lot of shops just arent paying for it
[11:42:32] <zeeshan> we're saying 60% of the parts need to cam
[11:42:38] <IchGucksLive> hi
[11:42:39] <BeachBumPete> thats the best thing about cam to me is the ability to check my work
[11:42:47] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: exactly
[11:42:48] <renesis> with sim?
[11:42:51] <IchGucksLive> getting dark and sunny here in germany
[11:43:01] <Tom_L> we used cadcam for most of the mills but since we only had one lathe most of it was programmed conversationally
[11:43:05] <BeachBumPete> yeah sim and just the graphics etc
[11:43:11] <renesis> yeah thats nice
[11:43:20] <renesis> tho not really specific to cam
[11:43:21] <zeeshan> the new mazak is a dual spindle
[11:43:24] <zeeshan> w/ live tooling
[11:43:29] <zeeshan> its no longer just a lathe!
[11:43:30] <BeachBumPete> both of the job shops I worked in used CAM almost exclusively
[11:43:31] <IchGucksLive> renesis: agree i got one person here that makes a drama out of a sqare with cad cam sim
[11:43:50] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: did you use mazatrol
[11:43:52] <zeeshan> by any chance
[11:44:33] <renesis> shit is if theyre comfortable doing holes in plates by hand vs cam, they might be saving a lot of time in the end
[11:44:54] <zeeshan> ive been here for a couple months now
[11:44:58] <zeeshan> and i can tell you that is not the case
[11:45:04] <BeachBumPete> no unfortunately but I have heard good things about it
[11:45:09] <IchGucksLive> but a good manuell g-coding is understanding the thing i belece
[11:45:20] <zeeshan> damn it i want a head start for this course
[11:45:34] <renesis> i wouldnt trust someone with CAM if they didnt know gcode
[11:45:44] <zeeshan> g-code not a big deal
[11:45:47] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: the curves were mostly of concern before milling a copy on the cnc
[11:45:48] <zeeshan> most cam is good enough
[11:45:52] <BeachBumPete> I applied to a shop that had nothing but mazatrol machinery but I did not get the job BECAUSE I had no mazatrol experience :)
[11:45:53] <zeeshan> especially after you get your post processor down
[11:45:54] <renesis> CAM makes gcode
[11:46:09] <renesis> if a person cant read gcode, i dont want them running CAM
[11:46:14] <zeeshan> why
[11:46:15] <MacGalempsy> I tried making a profile with the touchprobe, but mesh did not come out so great
[11:46:15] <IchGucksLive> G91 G98 G81 X25 Z-6 R2 L4 F100
[11:46:15] <renesis> theres gaps in his education
[11:46:19] <renesis> clear gaps
[11:46:20] <zeeshan> someone can learn g-code in a day
[11:46:25] <renesis> you didnt
[11:46:30] <IchGucksLive> if you understand that in LCNC you are fine
[11:46:31] <zeeshan> ?
[11:46:34] <BeachBumPete> I don't see how even if you never knew G code that after using cam for even a short while you start to understand G code
[11:46:42] <archivist> cannot learn gcode in a day properly
[11:46:51] <zeeshan> exactly BeachBumPete
[11:46:53] <IchGucksLive> agree
[11:46:57] <renesis> i wouldnt consider modal functionality day 1 basic gcode shit and you didnt understand that
[11:47:04] <renesis> *would
[11:47:06] <renesis> i rabbed
[11:47:09] <IchGucksLive> students here got 12hourers only
[11:47:14] <zeeshan> renesis: you're a moron
[11:47:16] <zeeshan> and you'll always be :)
[11:47:18] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: i disagree about gcode in a day
[11:47:22] <renesis> i gave a specific example
[11:47:27] <zeeshan> mac the basics
[11:47:28] <renesis> and you got personal
[11:47:30] <zeeshan> g01 g02 g03
[11:47:33] <renesis> so i win this one
[11:47:36] <zeeshan> m03 m04
[11:47:38] <zeeshan> renesis: good for you
[11:47:42] <IchGucksLive> and a 40 hour cnc lesseson in the holidays
[11:47:42] <zeeshan> you win!
[11:47:42] <Tom_L> hah
[11:47:49] <zeeshan> i'm still the one making the decisions
[11:47:50] <zeeshan> ;)
[11:47:51] <BeachBumPete> all I know is I wanna make a damn yoda head :)
[11:47:52] <renesis> well other with more experience here agree with me
[11:47:58] <renesis> and you make the point, so...
[11:47:59] <Tom_L> funny how the discussion turns quickly
[11:48:02] <IchGucksLive> im off
[11:48:24] <MacGalempsy> yoda heads rock
[11:48:29] <zeeshan> i think something harder to learn is programming parts efficiently
[11:48:29] <BeachBumPete> WORD
[11:48:33] <zeeshan> and doing it quickly
[11:48:44] <Tom_L> zeeshan they have different controls or are they all the same?
[11:48:48] <renesis> in any case, if im hiring the dude to run the machine im not hiring a CAM guy doesnt know gcode
[11:48:58] <zeeshan> i'm absolutely blown away by inventor hsm
[11:49:01] <renesis> means someone else will have to fix his problems
[11:49:06] <zeeshan> Tom_L: diff controls
[11:49:09] <zeeshan> mostly mazatrol tho
[11:49:10] <renesis> and manufacturing is another issue
[11:49:30] <Tom_L> do they run the same batches on each machine or move them around?
[11:49:30] <zeeshan> renesis: when they're getting paid 30 bux an hour
[11:49:34] <renesis> i would hire a good manufacturing guy who didnt know shit about CAM or gcode
[11:49:34] <zeeshan> they better know gcode :)
[11:49:46] <renesis> shrug, thats normal tech pay
[11:49:54] <renesis> normal techs usually arent exceptional
[11:50:07] <zeeshan> well i've worked with our guys
[11:50:17] <zeeshan> and i can tell you they're better than me at machining :)
[11:50:31] <renesis> these are the guys that gcode by hand?
[11:50:36] <Tom_L> last i checked 50-70/hr if you wanna live in the south
[11:50:42] <renesis> because if yes, thats not surprising at all
[11:50:48] <zeeshan> Tom_L: i need to move to the states
[11:50:49] <zeeshan> :)
[11:51:00] <Tom_L> you won't get that here
[11:51:01] <renesis> CNC machinist: can gcode with notepad
[11:51:03] <zeeshan> avg cnc programmer makes 30-35 an hour here
[11:51:10] <BeachBumPete> jeez man am I ever underpaid :(
[11:51:11] <Tom_L> sounds about right
[11:51:14] <renesis> CAM operator is just a CAM tech, hopefully with manufacturing experience
[11:51:27] <renesis> *CAD tech
[11:51:35] <Tom_L> i was getting about that when i was programming years ago
[11:52:04] <BeachBumPete> just so you guys know.....HAPPINESS is looking out the shop door and seeing a VMC smiling back at ya ;)
[11:52:15] <zeeshan> :DS
[11:52:17] <zeeshan> nice
[11:52:20] <zeeshan> did you get it hooked up
[11:52:23] <Tom_L> but is it spitting coolant at ya?
[11:52:26] <BeachBumPete> why hell no
[11:52:36] <BeachBumPete> just got it here last night
[11:52:48] <Tom_L> wtf you waitin for!
[11:52:52] <BeachBumPete> still gotta get it off the skids, leveled up, then I gotta clean the bastard
[11:53:05] <BeachBumPete> am I not allowed to sleep in and eat breakfast!!
[11:53:12] <Tom_L> heh
[11:53:32] <BeachBumPete> I gotta get a damn shed or something tho
[11:53:33] <Tom_L> that was about 6 hrs ago
[11:53:59] <BeachBumPete> my 13 foot kayaks are wonderful when you are out fishing and paddlin' but they sure eat some space
[11:54:46] <BeachBumPete> I am afraid to leave them outside in my fenced in backyard because A the sun will probably kill em and C they might grow legs or something
[11:55:01] <Tom_L> zeeshan what do they model their products with currently?
[11:55:38] <JT-i3> BeachBumPete: I finally got my 18,000 cubic foot building done :)
[11:55:43] <BeachBumPete> I do need to get off my azz and get it going tho I have a BUNCH of people patiently waiting for rails and other parts
[11:55:52] <BeachBumPete> HOLY
[11:56:08] <BeachBumPete> what did you buy a walmart or something
[11:56:44] <zeeshan> Tom_L: http://www.gypsumtechnologies.com/Assets/InfoCategoryImages/pic_dryer2.jpg
[11:56:44] <JT-i3> I had a 30' x 50' x 12' wood framed metal skin building put up
[11:56:45] <zeeshan> guess
[11:57:08] <Tom_L> i saw that already
[11:57:12] <zeeshan> guess!
[11:57:24] <Tom_L> they should be using catia
[11:57:32] <zeeshan> ew
[11:57:33] <zeeshan> :P
[11:57:34] <BeachBumPete> is 30x50 18k?
[11:57:38] <Tom_L> it thrives on shit like that
[11:57:45] <zeeshan> we use inventor
[11:57:49] <sync> Vor Siemens nx
[11:57:49] <Tom_L> i'm sorry
[11:58:02] <zeeshan> a typically plant has 3 million parts
[11:58:05] <zeeshan> inventor handles it fine :P
[11:58:15] <Tom_L> so use inventor for the cad cam then
[11:58:20] <zeeshan> thats the plan
[11:58:25] <zeeshan> inventore has free hsm
[11:58:35] <zeeshan> "2.5 D " milling
[11:58:36] <Tom_L> they won't have to relearn anything
[11:58:48] <zeeshan> the machinists dont know inventor
[11:58:50] <Tom_L> i'd say most of that is 2d parts anyway
[11:58:58] <zeeshan> no way man
[11:59:12] <zeeshan> im a mechanical specialist in the customer service team
[11:59:22] <zeeshan> my job is to engineer retrofits
[11:59:31] <zeeshan> or get replacement parts etc
[11:59:40] <zeeshan> its always some 3d profiled part
[11:59:47] <Tom_L> make it fit or else guy
[11:59:48] <zeeshan> or a massive weldment
[12:00:03] <MacGalempsy_> zeeshan: are you going to 3d model every machine in the shop?
[12:00:18] <zeeshan> no
[12:00:23] <zeeshan> i'm pretty sure mazak will hook us up
[12:00:33] <MacGalempsy_> oh, everything is mazak?
[12:00:41] <zeeshan> mostly
[12:00:55] <MacGalempsy_> so what kind of retrofits are you going to do then?
[12:01:03] <zeeshan> i dont retrofit cnc machines!
[12:01:05] <zeeshan> =P
[12:01:21] <MacGalempsy_> what do you retrofit then?
[12:01:28] <zeeshan> we build gypsum plants
[12:01:51] <zeeshan> theres a lotta machines that make up gyspum
[12:01:59] <zeeshan> even tho at the end of the day its a simple process
[12:02:33] <Tom_L> better than making electric pannels?
[12:02:38] <zeeshan> fuck yes
[12:02:38] <zeeshan> !
[12:02:47] <CaptHindsight> how many wire sizes too large do they spec for the retrofits? :)
[12:03:11] <MacGalempsy_> the key to successful engineering is OVER engineering
[12:03:25] <CaptHindsight> is that like overbuilding?
[12:03:40] <MacGalempsy_> pretty much, but more applied math
[12:04:02] <archivist> there is no replacement market if you over engineer too much
[12:04:05] <CaptHindsight> like calculus and stuff?
[12:04:06] <Tom_L> zeeshan i'm not sure why you asked us, it seems you know the direction you want to head :)
[12:04:17] <zeeshan> Tom_L: i was asking if someone has used mazatrol
[12:04:18] <Tom_L> i would likely follow the same path
[12:04:21] <zeeshan> wasnt askin for the decision
[12:04:22] <Tom_L> i know
[12:04:31] <zeeshan> if it doesnt do adaptive machining
[12:04:32] <Tom_L> it got blown outta proportion
[12:04:33] <zeeshan> thats a major point
[12:05:13] <nubcake> friggin client on the linuxcnc-box keeps disconnecting :(
[12:05:20] <Tom_L> go price them catia then maybe they'll be more willing to go that way
[12:05:26] <zeeshan> lol
[12:06:49] <zeeshan> Tom_L: what type of machines did you program
[12:07:00] <nubcake> thinking about if i should use a small switch/control cabinet instead of the box that came with the 3040T.. any suggestions? ^^
[12:07:57] <zeeshan> Tom_L: we're going to be doing a heads up
[12:08:03] <zeeshan> cam vs conversational
[12:08:08] <zeeshan> including time it takes to program
[12:08:28] <zeeshan> to output part
[12:08:37] <zeeshan> then make a design change
[12:08:42] <zeeshan> and redo
[12:09:00] <zeeshan> CAM RACE!!
[12:09:17] <Tom_L> we had tree, fadal, okuma and maybe a couple others
[12:09:28] <zeeshan> those use fanuc control?
[12:09:33] <Tom_L> one tree had a bastard control on it
[12:09:38] <zeeshan> haha
[12:09:40] <Tom_L> basically fanuc yes
[12:10:58] <archivist> too easy to choose a part that will bias the end choice
[12:11:30] <zeeshan> its a mix of parts
[12:11:34] <zeeshan> it'll happen over months
[12:12:51] <Tom_L> i can tell you most of the aircraft industry here has gone with catia
[12:13:17] <Tom_L> they can follow the design from engineer to production all along the way with it
[12:13:43] <Tom_L> it wasn' always that way
[12:14:07] <Tom_L> probably about half of them used cadam along with mastercam etc in the smaller shops
[12:14:17] <archivist> I know a catia jockey
[12:14:33] <zeeshan> what do you meran follow design to production
[12:14:49] <Kevin`> why would you limit yourself to cam or conversational if you have both available to test with already? each is going to be more suited to certain jobs. it's just a tool.
[12:14:57] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: why don't they use NX?
[12:15:00] <Tom_L> you don't have to change packages from beginning to end product
[12:15:05] <zeeshan> nowdays
[12:15:08] <zeeshan> cam is built into software
[12:15:09] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight i'm not sure really
[12:15:13] <zeeshan> like cam is part of inventor
[12:15:18] <zeeshan> its in the same interface
[12:15:27] <zeeshan> catia and nx were the forefathers of that
[12:15:30] <Tom_L> probably because boeing had catia for years and the rest followed
[12:15:32] <archivist> traceability wins probably
[12:15:43] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: I'd be interested in details if you ever hear any
[12:15:48] <Tom_L> i'll be honest though, i don't like the cam part of catia
[12:15:54] <Tom_L> it's over complicated
[12:16:06] <zeeshan> Tom_L: try hsm for solidworks
[12:16:12] <zeeshan> you'll be mind blown
[12:16:14] <zeeshan> =D
[12:16:37] <Tom_L> catia does all the fancy stuff it just seems to take alot of steps to get there
[12:16:45] <Tom_L> i think they could have done a better job on it
[12:16:50] <zeeshan> i had 1/4" holes on part which had different pocket heights
[12:16:59] <zeeshan> and these holes were on all the various pocket heights
[12:17:05] <zeeshan> fucking one click
[12:17:23] <zeeshan> and it picked up all the holes and knew how to handle the transition of heights
[12:17:45] <BeachBumPete> I like one click
[12:17:49] <Tom_L> once the hole is defined, any good cadcam should do that
[12:17:59] <zeeshan> mastercam doesnt
[12:18:01] <Tom_L> i know catia will
[12:18:03] <zeeshan> not at diff height levels
[12:18:23] <Tom_L> you just define the surface to put it on
[12:19:01] <zeeshan> http://help.autodesk.com/cloudhelp/2016/ENU/Inventor-HSM/images/GUID-DB08D5D7-4774-4FDD-8CB0-9F907C7EB1D9.png
[12:19:02] <Tom_L> usually one or two clicks depending on it's orientation
[12:19:03] <zeeshan> this is what i mean
[12:19:07] <zeeshan> its one click!
[12:19:13] <zeeshan> "select same diameter"
[12:19:18] <zeeshan> it automatically picks up the heights
[12:19:28] <zeeshan> do if your feed plane is .1 above the hole
[12:19:30] <Tom_L> yeah that's no biggie
[12:19:35] <zeeshan> it'll offset accordingly
[12:19:54] <zeeshan> i cant believe mastercam at like 5x the cost
[12:19:55] <zeeshan> cant do that
[12:19:59] <Tom_L> anything in that market price should do it
[12:20:08] <zeeshan> there is no price
[12:20:09] <zeeshan> its free
[12:20:14] <Tom_L> not for them
[12:20:17] <zeeshan> ??
[12:20:21] <zeeshan> its free for everyone
[12:20:26] <zeeshan> as long as you got a copy of inventor or solidworks
[12:20:29] <zeeshan> you can get the base hsm for free
[12:20:35] <Tom_L> free for small companies as i understand it
[12:20:37] <zeeshan> the pro version is 2k
[12:21:04] <zeeshan> http://cam.autodesk.com/get-inventor-hsm-express/
[12:34:42] <enleth> USPS mystery solved, kind of - they were supposed to redelived after a phone call a day after a failed delivery, but they didn't, then they returned the package
[12:34:58] <enleth> as for why wouldn't they do the redelivery - "we don't know"
[12:35:39] <enleth> the online tracking is stuck, who knows where it is now, I just hope it gets back to Mesa so they can re-send it
[12:38:45] <enleth> is the USPS like the rest of the world in that the sender is actually the one entitled to package insurance claims etc.?
[12:40:38] <pcw_home> We had a delivery of brackets USPS from Taiwan, the USPS tried to deliver on Saturday (naturally we were not at work)
[12:40:40] <pcw_home> and the never left a note or retried delivery, We desperately needed the brackets and we were saved just by the fact
[12:40:41] <pcw_home> that Jess walked over to the Post Office and saw our package on a truck to be returned to sender...
[12:42:47] <MacGalempsy> I have a fedex package that started in NJ. made it to memphis, but then went back to the east coast, and now it is in MS.
[12:43:40] <CaptHindsight> with FEDEX and UPS you can at least track a package within hours
[12:43:47] <pcw_home> We often have USPS packages for Austria go to Australia
[12:44:04] <CaptHindsight> with USPS if they screw up it takes days
[12:44:14] <pcw_home> (we need a little kangaroo sticker)
[12:46:02] <CaptHindsight> it's not the postal workers fault if two countries have similar names :)
[12:46:40] <pcw_home> for Austria maybe a bust of Mozart
[12:55:23] <KreAa> hoy guys (and theoretically possible gals)
[12:55:41] <KreAa> (although that is like looking for the higgs)
[12:56:14] <KreAa> Got this to work today
[12:56:15] <KreAa> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262456216578
[12:56:22] <KreAa> Tested with pcie x1 ethernet card
[12:56:26] <KreAa> works
[12:56:59] <KreAa> That means my two parallel cars probbaly also work but the drivers in linux are wonky or base address or something is wrong in linuxcnc
[12:57:02] <KreAa> :)
[12:59:01] <Erant> KreAa: Whatchu need that for?
[13:01:13] <KreAa> I am running Linuxcnc on a Beebox from Asrock
[13:01:19] <KreAa> It fits neatly in my cnc control box
[13:01:37] <Erant> Oh, I see what it is. PCIe to PCI bridge, just using USB 3.0 cabling.
[13:02:02] <KreAa> gives me 4 cores and a beautiful little mainboard only 100x100mm in size
[13:02:31] <KreAa> yes since pcix is the same as used in usb3 they can use that as cable to th eexpander chip
[13:03:09] <KreAa> It also gives me 2' optional spacing freedom to the boards with the gpio/lpt and stuff
[13:04:42] <Erant> KreAa: Well, it's more that USB 3.0 is two diff pairs, PCIe is two diff pairs per lane. Though PCIe was never really meant to go very far, so a little shielding won't hurt...
[13:06:27] <Erant> Whatever works for ya. Parallel port cards though? Sounds like if you're going through that trouble you might as well just get a Mesa.
[13:06:48] <renesis> parport card is prob $10-20
[13:07:05] <renesis> did mesa shit drop in price or something?
[13:08:22] <Erant> My 5i25 was like, $89.
[13:08:42] <Erant> The PCIe version's probably slightly pricier.
[13:11:45] <KreAa> Erant: I know fully well how pci and usb3 is related I was simplifying
[13:12:16] <KreAa> renesis: I am developing a new card for linuxcnc
[13:12:25] <KreAa> this allows me to use the pci x1 version while I work
[13:12:46] <KreAa> The card will be a very low price card with 24 GPIO
[13:12:54] <KreAa> not lpt based
[13:13:23] <KreAa> My buddy is already looking into the driver side, which will be a driver similar to parport
[13:13:46] <KreAa> The nice thing is all the 24 pins seem to be able to go both ways :)
[13:14:07] <Erant> KreAa: So is it a GPIO expander then?
[13:14:10] <KreAa> finally full freedom without expensive carrier cards and fpga cards
[13:14:36] <Erant> Microcontroller based?
[13:14:53] <KreAa> Erant: basically it will allow linuxcnc the same control as with parallel port but without limits on which pins go where
[13:14:57] <KreAa> no micro
[13:15:09] <Erant> So an existing ASIC?
[13:15:12] <KreAa> speed is 25 MHz capability per pin
[13:15:14] <KreAa> yes
[13:15:23] <Erant> Who does the toggling?
[13:15:25] <KreAa> an existing asic used in a different way
[13:15:27] <enleth> pcw_home: and what's your experience with USPS returning the packages you sent that couldn't be delivered? I'm in that very situation right now
[13:15:39] <KreAa> Erant: like on parport linuxcnc does
[13:15:55] <Erant> KreAa: Got it. Still puts you at ~30kHz max.
[13:16:23] <KreAa> Erant: I kind alike that better than the fpga pulsegen boards as then you don't get that silly situation where the pulses run alone while linuxcnc is buisy and not cautching em in time
[13:16:31] <enleth> pcw_home: I mean, I hope it gets back to you soon, or maybe it already has but wasn't processed yet, no idea how long it takes the USPS to make a return from SF to Richmond - I assume they don't even try to make it quick
[13:16:36] <KreAa> Erant: why would it do that ?
[13:16:49] <Erant> KreAa: Do what? the 30kHz limit?
[13:17:00] <KreAa> Erant: you can set up a streamed dma transfer from a memory area direct to the pins if you so wish
[13:17:51] <enleth> pcw_home: a friend who placed the order will be emailing Mesa about that on Monday to "officially" let you guys know that a return should be incoming, we'll obviously pay for another shipping attempt
[13:19:13] <enleth> (that was a single 7i76E, BTW - luckily one of the cheaper parts, if they decide to lose it)
[13:19:15] <KreAa> Erant: I am doing this due to the high cost of the fpga's
[13:20:11] <KreAa> Erant: retail of cards with this chip I am repurposing has been as low as $14 so depending on volume it should be quite nice pricepoint for small cnc hobbystuff
[13:20:18] <Erant> KreAa: 30kHz puts me at ~9IPM. A streaming DMA means you'll have to tune the memory layout to the step speed, and that depends on what the DMA is clocked at. And if it's in a dynamically clocked domain...
[13:20:32] <Erant> KreAa: Sure, sure. As a replacement for a parport.
[13:20:57] <KreAa> I don't see why you keep mentioning 30 khz
[13:21:42] <Erant> KreAa: The way LinuxCNC does the stepgen is it schedules it on one of the threads.
[13:22:42] <KreAa> Erant: but it has the other method too of setting a steprate and letting the hw do it, like on fpga boards
[13:22:54] <KreAa> it will be interesting to see what a combo of this can do
[13:22:54] <Erant> KreAa: If you factor in the jitter and the minimum hold and setup times, you can only switch 'm at about 30 000 steps a second.
[13:23:11] <Erant> Interesting. Funny ASIC then.
[13:23:15] <KreAa> it is
[13:23:53] <KreAa> it has 24 gpios where some can also run as clock outputs and there is a interesting buffered highspeed mode as well
[13:24:00] <KreAa> that is why this will require a new driver
[13:24:30] <Erant> As long as it has a counter for the amount of clock-cycles emitted. (A free running counter would be fine).
[13:24:33] <KreAa> there's all sorts of fun stuff you can do with these flexible io chips that they didn't publish standard drivers for
[13:24:54] <KreAa> Erant: it's back to the free running unless I play with the streamed mode
[13:25:35] <KreAa> in the streamed mode I can give it data which it will generate clocks to send, but since I don't configure any pins as data outputs but only pin as clock, the others are free to use as gpio still
[13:25:54] <KreAa> The rate is finely controllable from 1 hz up to 25 Mhz
[13:26:14] <KreAa> When I went through all these datasheets I was amazed that this chip was so flexible
[13:26:56] <Erant> The free-running clock needs a counter attached to it though. Otherwise LinuxCNC has no idea how many steps it emitted.
[13:26:57] <KreAa> That is why I want to run it on the pcix first to see if I can indeed make it do all this crazy stuff, because then it is worth it to make a mpcie board for it as well
[13:27:23] <KreAa> Erant: yeah, that is why the streamed option is so interesting
[13:28:05] <KreAa> Thanks to the programmable word length it can do any pulse count not just multiples of 8 etc
[13:28:14] <KreAa> will be very interesting to see
[13:29:21] <KreAa> The final mode it can do is also very interesting and would mean precomputing a sequence of data that is sent to the port at a preprogrammed rate
[13:29:44] <KreAa> from 1 to 24 pins can then be synched by this data and controlled based on the pattern
[13:30:02] <KreAa> it would mean setting up a set of buffers and chaining em in the dma setup
[13:30:18] <KreAa> then as soon as one is done transfering it is added back into the queue after being recomputed
[13:30:57] <KreAa> steps are thus being performed at a delay of t based on samples per buffer n and time per sample s
[13:31:28] <KreAa> It removes the realtime aspect of the pulses from the cpu in a way
[13:31:45] <KreAa> Not sure how that will work in relation to home switches etc though
[13:32:11] <KreAa> It may have to run in lockstep for homing to make sure it is detecting the switches at step accurate position
[13:40:23] <KreAa> Erant: it's always fun when new chips come out, to see what they can be used for :)
[13:48:21] <Erant> KreAa: Part of my job involves silicon, so, yes, I agree. ;) I always just hope they can be used for the things I intended them to be used for.
[13:49:37] <JT-Shop> new feet http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/i3-clone-03.jpg
[13:53:03] <KreAa> Erant: I've done a few pcie devices before, but this is by far the most off the reservation vs what the chip is sold for
[13:53:26] <KreAa> Erant: it is however not far off from what it is designed for, they call it multi-io and have lots of weird modes on it
[13:53:33] <KreAa> Erant: it also has a isa mode
[13:53:43] <KreAa> 16 address + 8 data
[13:53:53] <KreAa> with multipl einterrupt lanes and everything
[13:54:34] <KreAa> card wise this will be the simplest one I've ever done, but sw wise it is quite odd
[13:54:35] <KreAa> lol
[14:25:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It came with ferrels, or you added them?
[14:26:43] <Jymmm> ISA?! Step into the 21st Century...
[14:27:27] <JT-Shop> ferrels?
[14:28:00] * Jymmm will bitch slap if anyone says they have a working MCA system, unless they can prove they are a curator of a museum =)
[14:28:01] <JT-Shop> oh wire ferrels, I added them
[14:28:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ah, ok.
[14:28:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Are they really worth using that much? I ask as I've never needed them
[14:28:34] <BeachBumPete> ferrules?
[14:28:36] <JT-Shop> those feet really stiffened up the frame and pulled it flat
[14:28:47] <JT-Shop> I always use ferrels
[14:29:23] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I tend to find them over crimped or overtightened in the screw terminals
[14:29:54] <JT-Shop> https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Wiring_Solutions/Z+F_-_Wire_End_Connectors_(UL_listings_on_most_connectors)/Insulated_Ferrules/Standard_Color_Single_Wire
[14:30:47] <JT-Shop> hmm they don't have the 22awg anymore and I'm out of them
[14:31:13] <nubcake> is a psu with 24V 10A enough to handle a 3040T?
[14:31:32] <JT-Shop> what is a 3040T?
[14:33:24] <pcw_home> fix our ferals
[14:33:42] <Jymmm> Now, pin terminals look interesting... https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Search/Search?fctype=adc.falcon.search.SearchFormCtrl&cmd=Search&searchquery=pin+terminals&categoryId=0&TxnNumber=-1
[14:34:27] <nubcake> JT-Shop: a chinese cnc
[14:35:05] <nubcake> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-AXIS-Router-Engraver-Engraving-Drilling-Milling-Machine-Desktop-CNC-3040T-/112142522685?hash=item1a1c37193d:g:eoAAAOSwAuZX4JTV this one
[14:35:19] <nubcake> mine has an 800w spindle
[14:40:47] <nubcake> 4 steppers/drivers a small fan and a display
[14:41:03] <nubcake> i dont really trust the chinese psu tbh :/
[14:41:36] <nubcake> prefer my siemens psu, but the 40amp is way too big for the small control cabinet the 10amp one would fit perfectly
[14:42:30] <nubcake> the steppers and drivers don't draw that much current, do they?
[14:43:11] <KreAa> Jymmm: yeah isa, for simple io to stuff it's actually not bad
[14:43:44] <KreAa> Jymmm: if you for example make some memorymapped data stuff at home it can be interfaces by address/data with the classic isa if
[14:43:45] <JT-Shop> well 10a at 24v is 240 watts...
[14:44:08] <KreAa> well, down to the workshop! machining time!
[14:44:10] <KreAa> :)
[14:44:21] <KreAa> Making a hobbed gear with square drivedog pocket
[14:44:37] <nubcake> JT-Shop: yeah, but i'm not sure how much the drivers and steppers draw from that, the bob itself is probaly below 20w, not too worried bout that
[14:44:39] <KreAa> there will be 4'th axis involvement
[14:44:41] <KreAa> :)
[14:44:47] * KreAa runns off
[14:45:10] <nubcake> brb really quick
[14:47:32] <JT-Shop> the spindle is ac?
[14:47:51] <nubcake_1> JT-Shop yes
[14:48:00] <nubcake_1> Different PSU for the spindle
[14:50:39] <JT-Shop> that should be enough power for that tiny machine
[14:51:10] <nubcake_1> Ich hope so 😂
[14:51:15] <nubcake_1> I*
[14:51:20] <nubcake_1> Autocorrect...
[15:32:45] <Nick-Shop> <JT_Shop> Still hanging up with this error
[15:32:46] <Nick-Shop> Pin 'iocontrol.0.tool-change' was already linked to signal 'tool-change-loop'
[15:32:48] <Nick-Shop> Any ideas? both hal files have same info as far as I can see
[15:37:14] <JT-Shop> means exactly what it says you have it twice
[15:46:25] <witnit> Nick-Shop: just do a search of the hal file (ctrl+f usually) and its going to find two instances of the pin
[15:48:12] <Nick-Shop> been doing the search - think >I found something be back
[15:51:31] <Nick-Shop> Got it working Left out an # 3rd line down in tool turet changer section
[15:52:45] <Nick-Shop> It's indexing - now to get the turret prog from first machine to see how reliable the indexing is
[16:00:44] <JT-Shop> yippie!
[16:01:59] <Nick-Shop> you bet - been a while since i've seen that turret indexing - now onward to the spindle :-)
[16:15:49] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/aiDEUed.png
[16:16:03] <pink_vampire> any idea???
[16:16:53] <JT-Shop> no clue what that is...
[16:16:54] <os1r1s> pink_vampire You are a bit too hot
[16:17:05] <os1r1s> pink_vampire And your z is wobbling
[16:17:27] <os1r1s> Lower by 2 degrees and add a fan
[16:18:00] <pink_vampire> the Z is solid
[16:18:14] <os1r1s> The pattern in Z indicates a wobble
[16:18:16] <JT-Shop> PLA? what temps
[16:18:38] <pink_vampire> pla on 197C
[16:18:43] <JT-Shop> could be X or Y axis can't tell how it was printed
[16:18:50] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Which hot end?
[16:18:59] <pink_vampire> J-head
[16:19:11] <os1r1s> 197 is too hot for pla on a j-head
[16:19:40] <os1r1s> Drop by 3, add a fan, and try again
[16:19:41] <pink_vampire> if I'm lower the temp the bonding between the layers is very weak
[16:20:42] <Nick-Shop> after running in auto and it has ended - the edit box stays greyed out so I can't edit
[16:20:53] <os1r1s> 3 shouldn't impact the bonding that much
[16:21:28] <os1r1s> But the hot end fan may solve a good bit
[16:24:56] <pink_vampire> I lower to 195
[16:25:10] <pink_vampire> and with fan
[16:32:21] <os1r1s> pink_vampire slic3r?
[16:35:20] <pink_vampire> yes
[16:49:21] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Try cura
[16:58:35] <JT-Shop> I'm guessing cura for linux is only 64bit?
[17:20:09] <Deejay> gn8
[17:24:08] <Nick-Shop> JT spindle section in hal - safe to replace encoder with resolver to get it going?
[17:26:24] <JT-Shop> I know less than nothing about a resolver, rob in UK helped me with the spindle it is basically a copy of his
[17:28:46] <Nick-Shop> Guess I'll look at the differences in the X & Z axes to start from.
[17:32:51] <JT-Shop> only thing I know about a resolver is I ordered a 7i49 for someone but they never bought it lol
[17:34:48] <Nick-Shop> I'm getting more of an education than I need
[17:35:22] <JT-Shop> you and me both
[17:36:11] <Nick-Shop> I have 2 out of 3 hooked up and showing on the screen
[17:37:17] <Nick-Shop> any reason program edit is greyed out in the left drop down box
[17:39:06] <JT-Shop> what gui?
[17:41:18] <Nick-Shop> axis
[17:42:41] <JT-Shop> left drop down box?
[17:43:21] <JT-Shop> don't see a left drop down box
[17:44:28] <Nick-Shop> marked file then recent files then edit(greyed)
[17:45:12] <Nick-Shop> supposed to be able to edit the current file in memory
[17:45:26] <JT-Shop> oh the file menu
[17:46:10] <JT-Shop> lets see that is in the Axis chapter
[17:46:32] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_menu_items
[17:49:32] <Nick-Shop> OK -I think the editor is the problem. Don't have gedit on that macine - can I put mousepad in there?
[17:49:59] <pcw_home> yep whatever editor you like
[17:50:19] <Nick-Shop> Of course I don't have this on the 2.7.7 pdf
[17:52:41] <Tom_L> evening
[17:58:03] <JT-Shop> hay Tom_L
[17:58:41] * JT-Shop goes to feed the deer brb
[18:08:15] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I've found a few useless things to print with the crap filament that came with the printer
[18:08:36] <nubcake> :D i threw the one that came with mine away totally useless garbage
[18:08:45] <Tom_L> you need a new spot on your site now
[18:08:53] <nubcake> it broke just by looking at it ^^
[18:09:13] <JT-Shop> actually if you print the right shape parts it prints ok
[18:09:30] <JT-Shop> new spot? rapacrap
[18:09:38] <Tom_L> did you see the stuff they did at the uni?
[18:09:39] <nubcake> lol
[18:09:47] <JT-Shop> aye
[18:10:09] <Tom_L> i'd like to know what type of plastic they used on the timing belt
[18:10:23] <Tom_L> it was very flexible and tough
[18:11:04] <JT-Shop> https://aax-us-east.amazon-adsystem.com/x/c/QsOHHEM3084t_kXB5u_INk0AAAFXyoL6SwEAAAH2AfxyOuY/https://www.amazon.com/l/8399792011
[18:11:11] <JT-Shop> https://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-1-75mm-Flexible-Printers-Filament/dp/B019C3EUKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476571380&sr=8-1&keywords=flexible+3d+filament
[18:11:16] <JT-Shop> something like that
[18:12:46] <Tom_L> they also do some with metal mixed in it
[18:13:39] <Nick-Shop> <JT_Shop> Got the editor problem fixed with mousepad. Getting there a little at a time. More for tomorrow. Thanks for the hep
[18:14:42] <JT-Shop> Nick-Shop: like the pygmy that ate the elephant one bit at a time
[18:15:08] <JT-Shop> http://atomicfilament.com/collections/petg-3d-printer-filament-us-made-with-free-shipping/products/carbon-fiber-black-petg-pro
[18:15:22] <JT-Shop> atomic has carbon fibre petg
[18:15:24] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: hey what useless stuff was you making heh
[18:15:36] <JT-Shop> coasters lol
[18:15:40] <XXCoder> lol
[18:15:46] <JT-Shop> coming out real good for crap filament
[18:16:02] <JT-Shop> put the feets on and wow what a difference
[18:16:04] <XXCoder> i used I guess 1/4 of it, rest im throwing away because it made me dizzy when it was printing
[18:16:12] <JT-Shop> frame is rigid and quiet
[18:16:12] <Tom_L> they do carbon fiber too
[18:16:28] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/i3-clone-03.jpg
[18:16:34] <Tom_L> some of their prints are done on $$$$ printers and you can sure tell the difference
[18:17:00] <XXCoder> looks good
[18:17:08] <Tom_L> the legs look pretty good
[18:17:09] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: I plan to add legs tofday :D
[18:17:47] <JT-Shop> they pull the base into alignment real nice and the o-rings make it quiet
[18:18:04] <JT-Shop> can barely hear it print from 5' away
[18:19:17] <Tom_L> where are the o-rings?
[18:19:25] <JT-Shop> under the bottom
[18:19:45] <XXCoder> didnt think about frame aligning factor. hm
[18:19:56] <XXCoder> meh already bought parts, not wasting em
[18:20:03] <JT-Shop> 1/8 diameter o-ring in a 1/16 deep thing
[18:20:18] <JT-Shop> just print some things to go on top
[18:21:31] <Tom_L> i'm surprised the carbon fiber isn't much more than the other stuff
[18:22:09] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/10mm-Y-Axis-01.jpg
[18:22:27] <JT-Shop> just need to print the bearing housings for the 10mm Y axis upgrade
[18:22:28] <XXCoder> that is ALL replacement parts?
[18:22:38] <XXCoder> and it looks longer?
[18:22:56] <Tom_L> are those stuff you had?
[18:22:57] <JT-Shop> just the right length but stiff as hell
[18:23:09] <JT-Shop> amazon for not much
[18:23:28] <XXCoder> nice
[18:23:33] <Tom_L> for x?
[18:23:46] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: I just printed the echh-1 car hood oroment (ghostbuster)
[18:23:47] <JT-Shop> 8mm is just to flexible... no the Y axis
[18:23:49] <XXCoder> its cool as hell!
[18:23:55] <JT-Shop> nice
[18:24:13] <JT-Shop> I'm printing a coaster with my wife's name on it
[18:24:32] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1615616
[18:24:36] <XXCoder> the 2 eyes version
[18:24:56] <JT-Shop> got it downloaded before
[18:25:13] <JT-Shop> just need some glow in the dark and ss nozzle
[18:25:21] <XXCoder> print has few errors, because I set 5 parameters :(
[18:25:46] <XXCoder> it constantly curled and I had to correct as much as I can. if my machine didnt have anti-wobble it would have ripped print off bed.
[18:30:39] <JT-Shop> I see curling as sometimes a design fault
[18:31:28] <MacGalempsy> what do you guys set your default acceloartions too?
[18:31:36] <XXCoder> 2500 mm/s^2
[18:31:54] <XXCoder> 10,000 mm/s^2 for extruder. that one has zero acceration issue
[18:32:13] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it curls when heat creep happens
[18:32:19] <JT-Shop> aye
[18:32:20] <XXCoder> needs more fan to stop that
[18:32:30] <XXCoder> mine dont have enougfh fan :(
[18:33:31] <JT-Shop> mine is 9,000 9,0000 50 10,000
[18:33:40] <JT-Shop> xyze
[18:34:01] <MacGalempsy> wow that is fast
[18:34:04] <XXCoder> dang
[18:34:13] <XXCoder> your prints dont ring?
[18:34:17] <JT-Shop> way it came programmed
[18:34:20] <MacGalempsy> if I dont slow mine down, I get the obnoxious missed stepps
[18:34:59] <JT-Shop> if everything is right I've observed accel to be 10-20 times max vel
[18:35:02] <XXCoder> acceration not print speed, I have been using 60 mm/s and good results, my adoptions helped it be much more steady
[18:35:25] <JT-Shop> I slowed vel down to print the crap filament
[18:35:43] <[cube]> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6J2dACXJYA
[18:36:41] <XXCoder> glad you didnt use youtube shaky fixer, that makes me dizzy 100 times worse
[18:37:00] <[cube]> haha
[18:37:15] <XXCoder> nice dust on window heh
[18:37:58] <XXCoder> hm just tought of this, what about terminates, dont wood chips attract em and they can walk into your house?
[18:38:26] <[cube]> i'll have a exhaust flap on the end
[18:38:32] <[cube]> but its in a shed
[18:38:34] <XXCoder> cool
[18:38:40] <[cube]> bugs get in there all the time
[18:38:50] <XXCoder> termintes eat wood heh
[18:39:11] <[cube]> i wonder if they'll eat mdf dust ;)
[18:39:26] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1795120
[18:39:56] <XXCoder> looks good but not too nsure if 2020 or not
[18:40:23] <XXCoder> thingviewer never work :(
[18:40:24] <MacGalempsy> someone getting the shakes, huh?
[18:40:32] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: huh
[18:40:33] <JT-Shop> looks like 2020
[18:40:55] <MacGalempsy> why else reinforce the 20/20?
[18:40:55] <XXCoder> so did clamps I printed, and it arent. glad I stopped at 3 layers to test
[18:44:23] <JT-Shop> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1821456
[18:44:32] <JT-Shop> these make the bottom frame flat
[18:45:06] <XXCoder> well
[18:45:10] <XXCoder> you have me an idea
[18:45:22] <XXCoder> Ill make top version ofn those
[18:45:27] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:45:36] <JT-Shop> put a skull on it
[18:45:42] <JT-Shop> make it cool
[18:45:46] <XXCoder> easy enough. yep 4 skulls, each corner lol
[18:45:58] <JT-Shop> can't wait to see that
[18:45:59] <XXCoder> I print skulls a lot but not really my style. oct lol
[18:46:37] <XXCoder> 4 so far, first black one, that went bit rough, petg one, and now glow in dark one for coworker
[18:47:12] <JT-Shop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_coherence_tomography
[18:47:26] <JT-Shop> or did you mean ocd
[18:47:44] <XXCoder> ?
[18:47:48] <Tom_L> the month
[18:48:00] <JT-Shop> <XXCoder> I print skulls a lot but not really my style. oct lol
[18:48:02] <XXCoder> oh oct
[18:48:07] <XXCoder> yeah month
[18:48:12] <JT-Shop> ah
[18:48:25] <Tom_L> <-- too much irc speak
[18:48:28] <JT-Shop> yea all hallows eve
[18:48:31] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:48:47] * JT-Shop had too much elk jerky
[18:49:38] <XXCoder> lol
[18:50:09] <JT-Shop> 45 minutes left on wifes custom coaster
[18:50:53] <Tom_L> is that justification?
[18:51:05] <JT-Shop> beats me
[18:51:16] <BeachBumPete> man O man my poor machine is SO damn dirty!!
[18:51:56] <JT-Shop> you can work up to it just come clean my CHNC coolant tank first
[18:52:14] <BeachBumPete> no I think I will FIRST clean MY machines thank you ;)
[18:52:21] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:52:38] <JT-Shop> can't blame me for trying to get you to white wash my fence
[18:52:47] <XXCoder> lol
[18:52:50] <BeachBumPete> but I just sent my wife to the dollar store for some a dat Mean Green schtuff that worked so well last time hehe
[18:53:16] <JT-Shop> simple green?
[18:53:39] <BeachBumPete> I just fixed a light that was nasty and hardly working above the machine that helped me see it better and then I was like "DAMN THATS REALLY DIRTY!!"
[18:53:48] <BeachBumPete> no mean green man try to keep up ;)
[18:54:13] <JT-Shop> hey I'm an old fart and move a little slower lol
[18:55:00] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[18:55:01] <JT-Shop> but run is back in my vocabulary since I lost 65 pounds lol
[18:55:18] <BeachBumPete> nice
[18:55:33] <JT-Shop> yea it feels so good to be at 175
[18:56:13] <BeachBumPete> we have been riding our bikes around the neighborhood a lot lately but I can't say I have lost a bunch of weight LOL
[18:56:24] <BeachBumPete> I must say that riding around here is so nice
[18:56:58] <JT-Shop> been out a few times on the road bike, need to get the mountain bike out now that it is cooling down a bit
[18:56:59] <BeachBumPete> it is smooth flat pavement everywhere you go and most streets are just residential with little traffic generally
[18:57:44] <JT-Shop> I have to pick a low traffic highway for the road bike or a major highway with big shoulders
[18:58:18] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: are you the stalker on my thingiverse?
[19:00:00] <XXCoder> nah why?
[19:00:19] <JT-Shop> says you are following lol
[19:00:39] <XXCoder> dtrange
[19:00:46] <XXCoder> didnt click like or follow anything
[19:00:53] <JT-Shop> hmm
[19:01:27] <JT-Shop> no followers but one following
[19:01:39] <JT-Shop> confusing
[19:02:00] <JT-Shop> you gotta like them lol
[19:02:02] <BeachBumPete> that's the OTHER XXCoder....ya know the pervert homosexual kickboxer with homicidal tendencies ;)
[19:02:20] <XXCoder> lol
[19:02:25] <JT-Shop> must be a postal employee
[19:02:30] <BeachBumPete> hahaha
[19:03:01] <XXCoder> I AM former postal worker. twice. so I am former postal worker^2
[19:04:06] <JT-Shop> a postal worker squared... hmm
[19:04:28] <XXCoder> thajkfully ^2 cancels out all negative numbers, make em postive
[19:05:49] <JT-Shop> my first job was splitting firewood in Alaska during the winter...
[19:06:01] <JT-Shop> with a double bit axe
[19:06:13] <XXCoder> mcdonalds :P that was first THREE jobs.
[19:06:42] <XXCoder> worked at mconald total of 4 times
[19:06:49] <XXCoder> no more.
[19:06:56] <JT-Shop> I was around 13-14 when splitting wood
[19:07:18] <XXCoder> dont that run afoul into child labor laws
[19:07:20] <JT-Shop> I worked a Buger King lol when I was 18, no cash register
[19:07:31] <JT-Shop> not back then
[19:07:34] <XXCoder> worked at burger king when I was hmm 25?
[19:07:55] <JT-Shop> I started in 1953...
[19:07:56] <XXCoder> I got loooong list of jobs worked at lol
[19:07:58] <BeachBumPete> I ate at a burger king once....ONCE
[19:08:00] <XXCoder> wow
[19:08:11] <XXCoder> and you almost ied?
[19:08:13] <XXCoder> *died
[19:08:19] <Tom_L> they had burger king way back then????
[19:08:40] <JT-Shop> born in the territory of Alaska on Kodak island
[19:08:56] <BeachBumPete> I forgot how many straps and zip ties I put on the VMC to secure things for transport jeez
[19:08:56] <JT-Shop> well they were pretty new lol
[19:09:04] <XXCoder> I was born in washington state lol, then lived at million states
[19:09:08] <BeachBumPete> I have been to Kodiak Island several times
[19:09:18] <XXCoder> I moved more times and more schools than I had grades
[19:10:25] <JT-Shop> I wonder if the quonset hut I was born in is still there?
[19:11:05] <XXCoder> do a holiday trip heh but no trepass though
[19:11:07] <BeachBumPete> I would like to have one in my back yard for a bigass shed
[19:11:09] <JT-Shop> last summer we went and saw the house I lived in last and the shed out back was still standing
[19:11:34] <XXCoder> heh hopsital I was born in dont exist now
[19:11:37] <JT-Shop> it's like holy crap I did a lot of stuff in that shed
[19:11:39] <XXCoder> closed down few years after
[19:11:49] <XXCoder> first kiss, first sex? lol
[19:12:05] <JT-Shop> took apart the evenrude snow machine and even put it back together lol
[19:12:24] <JT-Shop> fixed my Honda 50 SS
[19:12:56] <XXCoder> evenrude interesting name
[19:13:14] <JT-Shop> hmm evinrude maybe
[19:13:30] <JT-Shop> wanted a polaris but got that
[19:19:02] <JT-Shop> http://www.motoskisnowmobiles.com/71Skeeter.JPG
[19:19:04] <BeachBumPete> Ooh cool she got a gallon bottle of the stuff... machine is gonna be clean now!!
[19:19:46] <JT-Shop> dang, you will have enough to clean my machines too
[19:19:54] <nubcake> night everyone
[19:20:04] <JT-Shop> niht
[19:20:13] <BeachBumPete> night
[19:24:43] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdtUDaBfRA
[19:28:43] <JT-Shop> or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g9Hs3rnd6s
[19:28:57] <JT-Shop> some Robin Trower
[19:33:04] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qroO-B0qz_o
[19:33:40] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
[19:34:20] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0fErmzmfqo
[19:34:38] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:35:02] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMRePMc01LM
[19:36:55] <XXCoder> heh
[22:11:58] <MacGalempsy> hello
[22:12:16] <XXCoder> no
[22:15:58] <MacGalempsy> oh...
[22:16:46] <XXCoder> no!
[22:16:49] <XXCoder> heh
[22:16:55] <XXCoder> whats up
[22:17:57] <MacGalempsy> not much. finishing up a knurled cup print the will start a tamper
[22:18:33] <MacGalempsy> what are u up to?
[22:18:41] <XXCoder> adding legs to9 my 3d printer
[22:18:52] <MacGalempsy> y legs?
[22:19:12] <XXCoder> yeah.
[22:19:37] <MacGalempsy> i got mine mounted on an overhead projector cart
[22:20:11] <MacGalempsy> the rubber footed ones from earlier?
[22:21:00] <XXCoder> yeah im now attaching it and 2020 to printer
[22:21:09] <XXCoder> I tapped the 2020 few days ago
[22:21:33] <MacGalempsy> nice. you buy tnuts or print them?
[22:21:56] <XXCoder> nuts come with 3d printer they included too many lol
[22:22:36] <MacGalempsy> nice. they arent too bad now that the chinese have knockoffs
[22:24:15] <XXCoder> guess so
[22:24:21] <XXCoder> some knockoffs really suck thougg
[22:30:31] <MacGalempsy> some do. that why the Al ones are nice
[22:30:51] <XXCoder> indeed
[22:31:02] <XXCoder> my screws was nicely wobbly though lol
[22:32:39] <MacGalempsy> have the legs all been printed?
[22:33:32] <MacGalempsy> this just finished https://flic.kr/p/MhekpH
[22:33:33] <XXCoder> nah pure vitamins
[22:33:48] <XXCoder> dang that is awesome
[22:33:56] <MacGalempsy> thanks. 3mm abs
[22:34:25] <XXCoder> I do see imperfections but that seem to be normal for 3d printing LOL
[22:35:08] <MacGalempsy> shhhhh. one thing about print club is no taljing about those imperfections!
[22:35:31] <XXCoder> lol\
[22:35:47] <MacGalempsy> however, i think the optimal layer height needs to be estimated
[22:36:15] <XXCoder> go for 0.001mm
[22:36:17] <MacGalempsy> after the hdd crash this summer, i havent calced that yet
[22:36:38] <MacGalempsy> i get to about .2mm and thats it
[22:37:05] <XXCoder> hows you calculate it anyway
[22:37:21] <Tom_L> what printer is that Mac?
[22:37:44] <XXCoder> oh MacGalempsy 2 seperate poowerboxes eh
[22:37:54] <MacGalempsy> prusa calculator has a calculator where you put in the pitch and it tells you
[22:38:10] <XXCoder> interesting. mine is leadscrews
[22:38:34] <MacGalempsy> for metric threads, standard numbers work, but imperial are a little different
[22:38:57] <MacGalempsy> lol. 2 because they suck.
[22:39:23] <MacGalempsy> Tom_L: it is a mendlemax 1.5
[22:39:56] <Tom_L> those look pretty sturdy
[22:39:57] <MacGalempsy> with 1 psu it wouldnt get to 125 on the bed
[22:40:50] <MacGalempsy> it needs better brackets. once the new printer is done, i will print all new brackets for this one.
[22:41:25] <MacGalempsy> i designed the x gantry brackets in sketchup
[22:43:03] <XXCoder> nice
[22:43:16] <XXCoder> im still thinking on how to design inductor mount
[22:43:30] <XXCoder> and also at same time, how to hold second fan to blow on print.
[22:43:39] <XXCoder> it really needs that.
[22:43:59] <MacGalempsy> why use a leveling device when you can just use a dial indicator?
[22:44:31] <XXCoder> meh can do but I already ordered sensors lol
[22:46:06] <MacGalempsy> best test piece is the skeinforge cube
[22:46:32] <XXCoder> yeah? whats special about it?
[22:46:42] <XXCoder> you ever tried my chair? its hell on printers LOL
[22:46:52] <XXCoder> nobody have ever perfectly succeed print it
[22:47:51] <MacGalempsy> what is your chair?
[22:48:30] <XXCoder> sec
[22:48:33] <MacGalempsy> s.f. cube is like 30x30 with a 15mm hollow core on all sides
[22:48:49] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1765796
[22:48:51] <MacGalempsy> i accept your chair challenge!
[22:49:07] <XXCoder> no supports
[22:50:24] <MacGalempsy> awww. ok
[22:51:01] <XXCoder> you can disable retracts though unless you wanna test that too
[22:51:07] <MacGalempsy> doesnt look that tough, but we shall see
[22:51:57] <MacGalempsy> the tamper is about 30%, so i will try it next
[22:55:22] <XXCoder> cool
[22:55:30] <XXCoder> putting on last leg
[22:59:02] <tiwake> evidently garlic infused vodka is a thing
[22:59:41] <XXCoder> perfect for droughts that you can throw at vampires in case.
[23:00:01] <renesis> guys do you play tis 100?
[23:00:05] <renesis> you should all play tis 100
[23:00:50] <tiwake> supposedly you are only supposed to take a few drops of garlic infused vodka
[23:00:59] <tiwake> for health reasons
[23:01:08] <tiwake> because garlic is amazing for heath
[23:01:09] <MacGalempsy> sorry play bf4 already.. what tis 100?
[23:01:50] <MacGalempsy> www.prusaprinters.org/calculator
[23:02:49] <MacGalempsy> xxcoder the idea of the layer calculator is to give you full step layer heights
[23:03:33] <XXCoder> so layer movement does not round up or down to step?
[23:03:33] <MacGalempsy> so w 3/8-12 acme the closest full steps to .3mm is .3147mm
[23:04:21] <MacGalempsy> if you have metric screws, no tweakjng should be required
[23:04:21] <XXCoder> legs is nice
[23:05:00] <MacGalempsy> but check the numbers w the calc if you have imoerial threads
[23:05:43] <XXCoder> everything is meteric
[23:05:57] <XXCoder> though dunno what mine is. m8 I guess
[23:06:01] <XXCoder> slant of unknown
[23:06:55] <MacGalempsy> so here is an example. at 3mm layer height, i would have 1.5mm error at 10mm because of not landing on full steps
[23:07:15] <XXCoder> it stacks up?
[23:08:15] <tiwake> I don't think it stacks
[23:08:22] <MacGalempsy> yeah because every step .3mm im off by .63 step
[23:08:41] <MacGalempsy> which is .155mm
[23:08:47] <XXCoder> wouldnt it correct as it go? draft around within min/max error range
[23:08:52] <tiwake> oh, cause you are saying its .3mm instead of .3147 or whatever
[23:09:15] <MacGalempsy> xxcoder: what layer height u use?
[23:09:39] <MacGalempsy> m8 is 1.25 pitch
[23:09:55] <MacGalempsy> .4 is whole step
[23:10:08] <XXCoder> .3 and .2 usually
[23:10:10] <XXCoder> .1 rarely
[23:10:30] <MacGalempsy> those are while steps, so no chane
[23:11:01] <XXCoder> first layer tend to be .22 or .33mm
[23:11:07] <XXCoder> er .32mm
[23:11:53] <MacGalempsy> now those u may want to tweak
[23:12:25] <MacGalempsy> .2250 and .3250
[23:12:51] <XXCoder> add .005 got it. easy enough
[23:16:12] <MacGalempsy> i see one successful make on your chair
[23:16:52] <XXCoder> near successful
[23:17:02] <XXCoder> it has rooping on one side
[23:17:12] <MacGalempsy> lol
[23:17:20] <MacGalempsy> fair enough
[23:18:14] <XXCoder> :)
[23:18:20] <XXCoder> it was close though
[23:18:21] <MacGalempsy> i hope the threads on this tamper work.
[23:18:27] <XXCoder> if guy had full fan system it would work
[23:18:46] <MacGalempsy> fans are for pla printers.
[23:19:09] <MacGalempsy> hardcore printers use abs just for the quite and fumes
[23:19:36] <XXCoder> lol
[23:19:45] <XXCoder> I do have one abs reel but no idea what to do with it
[23:20:22] <MacGalempsy> disable fan, extrude at 228 and heat the bed to 125
[23:20:44] <MacGalempsy> use hairspray on the glass bed
[23:21:14] <XXCoder> http://proxy.topixcdn.com/ipicimg/GSM24KV9E90S6BKF-v1-fram640x414x640x414xxxx
[23:22:14] <MacGalempsy> lol. www.makerlove.com
[23:22:42] <XXCoder> oh brother. heh
[23:27:30] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: lets see those legs!
[23:27:45] <XXCoder> not without dating and out eat
[23:28:13] <MacGalempsy> lol.
[23:28:36] <MacGalempsy> come on. you got to show us what you are working with first!
[23:28:46] <MacGalempsy> no blind dates
[23:28:51] <XXCoder> lol
[23:28:54] <XXCoder> a sec
[23:29:45] <MacGalempsy> so these threads look lame, but hopefully it will fit a mop handle
[23:30:24] <MacGalempsy> if these work, a spearhead will be next!
[23:31:26] <XXCoder> spearhead?
[23:32:34] <MacGalempsy> http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/claremuseum/riches_of_clare/power/spearhead_looped_fragments.htm
[23:32:51] <MacGalempsy> threaded to fit a broom handle
[23:34:17] <XXCoder> lol
[23:35:01] <tiwake> sleep time
[23:35:02] <tiwake> TTFN
[23:35:07] <MacGalempsy> with sketchup, i could never do acme threads. fusion360 makes it easy
[23:35:20] <MacGalempsy> good night tiwake
[23:35:23] <XXCoder> http://proxy.topixcdn.com/ipicimg/R8V2BSKFMJFQE079-v1-fram640x414x640x414xxxx-ext640x494xnorthx lol
[23:38:13] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_20161015_210015-SgemsOOO.1476590992.jpg
[23:40:29] <MacGalempsy> nice. you xan level that printer bed already
[23:40:49] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_20161015_210029-YKiAIeNW.1476591041.jpg
[23:41:05] <MacGalempsy> just turn the wingnut and use a dial indicator or feeler gauge
[23:41:12] <XXCoder> wellyes
[23:41:16] <XXCoder> I want to automate it lol
[23:42:21] <MacGalempsy> from what I read, the automation uses a 3 point solution. the inductor will look cool
[23:42:42] <MacGalempsy> almost warmed up to start the chair challenge
[23:44:20] <XXCoder> theres 9 point versions too