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[00:15:25] <XXCoder> jeeez
[00:15:34] <XXCoder> tb660s and BOB is FINALLY sent
[00:18:26] <Cromaglious_> yeah you went with 6600's
[00:18:59] <XXCoder> whats wrong with em?
[00:21:04] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder, order some of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/311597896964
[00:21:22] <Cromaglious_> nothing, I have 4 myself
[00:21:36] <XXCoder> heh ok. statement was little amgious
[00:21:46] <Cromaglious_> those patch cables are great...
[00:22:03] <XXCoder> colors though how do i know what is correct
[00:22:16] <XXCoder> ah patterns
[00:22:25] <Cromaglious_> I like em alot better than the 6560's
[00:22:57] <Cromaglious_> no switching of wires required... they plug right into the 6600's I have
[00:23:28] <XXCoder> yeah? from BOB to 6600s?
[00:23:53] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-CNC-Single-Axis-4A-TB6600-2-4-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Drivers-Controller-New/32738388180.html
[00:25:52] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Axis-TB6600-DC12-45V-Two-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-HS-/111769128563?hash=item1a05f58e73:g:RPsAAOSw4SlV8trD
[00:26:41] <Cromaglious_> ahhh those patch cable wont work with yours
[00:27:13] <XXCoder> darn ok
[00:28:51] <Cromaglious_> you need the ones with the plug only on one end or cut those in hallf
[00:29:51] <XXCoder> can always do that
[00:30:15] <XXCoder> glad it comes with bolt areas ready
[00:30:19] <XXCoder> easy to setup board
[00:36:06] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-11-1v-Lipo-Battery-Balance-Charger-JST-XH-Connector-AdapterPlug-3S1P-Cable-TM-/291860056153?hash=item43f4370859:g:FMgAAOSwuAVWwxLH
[00:36:30] <Cromaglious_> which bob?
[00:36:39] <XXCoder> second
[00:36:52] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Upgraded-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Mach3-USB-Cable/32738646022.html
[00:37:30] <Cromaglious_> yep that's the one I have
[00:43:03] <witnit> this reminds me of when I first got into linuxcnc
http://i.imgur.com/nYJKOQx.gifv
[00:43:23] <XXCoder> was it good
[00:43:44] <XXCoder> lol
[00:44:08] <Cromaglious_> it works... still trying to figure out my PWM issue...
[00:44:42] <XXCoder> whats you use for spindle
[00:45:00] <XXCoder> I want direct control, and hopefully feedback on rpm too
[00:45:30] <FloppyDisk525> good water landing...
[00:45:33] <Cromaglious_> NICE AIR!!!
[00:46:14] <XXCoder> and earth impact is nice
[00:46:21] <XXCoder> no fire though. 3 out of 4!
[00:46:35] <witnit> you notice the bystander on the left... all like woof
[00:46:37] <Cromaglious_> going to try using a nano and a hall effect sensor for RPM feedback
[00:46:47] <XXCoder> was wondering how that would work
[00:47:29] <Cromaglious_> using the 0-10v across a resistor bridge to get 0-5v into the nano for speed
[00:48:43] <Cromaglious_> then the nano is using I believe 1500hz for pwm base freq on pin 9
[00:49:13] <XXCoder> raspberry pi nano?
[00:49:26] <XXCoder> do having it mean it can now do taps?
[00:49:38] <XXCoder> or is control still too crude
[00:49:52] <XXCoder> not really my goal but "would be nice to have"
[00:50:13] <witnit> ohh lawdy guys, i had the best idea for an encoder.....linear encoder. it uses an oscilating frequency down the length of rod. Kind of like plucking a guitar string. it measures this "pitch". Example: Imagine this rod replacing a linear glass scale on a mill, now as you crank the mill it moves a sleeve down the rod like a guitar slide..... changing the pitch! LOW cost encoder, im genius
[00:51:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[00:51:34] <XXCoder> I have better idea heh dunno if accurate enough
[00:51:40] <witnit> *pops collar*
[00:51:43] <Cromaglious_> err 3921.16hz
[00:51:44] <XXCoder> fox and hound wire break system
[00:51:58] <XXCoder> as machine moves it reels out wire
[00:52:07] <XXCoder> fox is attached to reel exit point
[00:52:17] <XXCoder> hound detects distance
[00:52:24] <Cromaglious_> I've had good luke with fox and hound on deenergized circuit
[00:53:08] <witnit> if I understood the fox hound concept I think it would help
[00:53:16] <XXCoder> oh its simple
[00:53:20] <Cromaglious_> but not for 3 wires close together...
[00:53:27] <XXCoder> it sends signals and echo back it detects time
[00:53:33] <witnit> ah
[00:53:35] <XXCoder> from that it calculates distance
[00:53:36] <witnit> got it
[00:53:47] <witnit> I had another use for the idea
[00:53:48] <XXCoder> I dont know its precision though
[00:53:51] <witnit> imagine a boom
[00:54:00] <Cromaglious_> it's good for chasing a pair out of many... not so good for finding break
[00:54:19] <witnit> without weight on it, if you whack it with a drumstick it will ring a certain tone, and with X amount of weight it will ring another tone
[00:54:21] <Cromaglious_> my fox and hound was just toner
[00:55:12] <Cromaglious_> you don't which screw cut the cable do you?
[00:55:17] <Cromaglious_> know
[00:55:23] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: may be using wronmg one
[00:55:46] <XXCoder> I know theres one that sends small pulse of electity and it detect if theres break, AND distance
[00:56:44] <Cromaglious_> hmm I have telco thinky that does that... for breaks in 22ga wire going to central office
[01:05:26] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:05:28] <XXCoder> that tech
[01:05:29] <Cromaglious_> you also have to decide which wire was cut.. was it the nuetral of was it the hot.
[01:05:39] <XXCoder> though probably not precise enough
[01:05:56] <Cromaglious_> kill the breaker to the room.
[01:07:04] <Cromaglious_> with a multi meter see which wire is cut.. check neutral to neutral from working outlet to dead outlet
[01:07:09] <Cromaglious_> then hot to hot
[01:09:32] <Cromaglious_> if there are 4 (no ground) or 5 (ground) wires hooked to the working outlet, check wire on both sides of working outlet hot wire to neutral on at top and bottom (wire to wire not screw to screw)
[01:10:19] <Cromaglious_> also top hot to bottom neutral and vis versa
[01:10:37] <XXCoder> im not talking about testing electric system
[01:10:47] <Cromaglious_> to make sure it's between the outlets
[01:10:55] <XXCoder> im talking about abusing it to act as linear encoder for positional info
[01:11:30] <Cromaglious_> hmmm.... not precise enough
[01:11:52] <XXCoder> guessed so. inches +- probably
[01:11:57] <XXCoder> close enough to locate break
[01:12:01] <Cromaglious_> you could hack a DRO system for that
[01:12:33] <Cromaglious_> DRO for a CNC positional...
[01:13:14] <Cromaglious_> there is pages for a AM transmitter to use the wire as antenna and using a am radio to find the break
[01:13:30] <Cromaglious_> then you can check one wire at a time
[01:15:52] <Cromaglious_> http://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RMT-NF-816&source=googleps&gdffi=a2fd11e1880844dfbe0b89871fd6ef5c&gdfms=40EFA40B852145BC9EB057285DA172D3&gclid=Cj0KEQjw1ee_BRD3hK6x993YzeoBEiQA5RH_BAcwzK4p-XOQIGbFoCcsX7aCTtv8yMs-uwfXfrLTnIYaApfG8P8HAQ
[01:16:50] <XXCoder> nice
[01:17:37] <Cromaglious_> might have to play with the ground wire going to the dead outlet... disconnect it from the dead outlet and the good outlet, and hook black to the ground going to the panel and red to you cut wire from the good outlet side
[01:17:55] <Cromaglious_> then test for wone going towards the dead outlet
[01:18:15] <XXCoder> oh we know where break is
[01:18:21] <Cromaglious_> desconnect it from the dead outlet at the good outlet
[01:18:22] <XXCoder> its holed by screw
[01:18:37] <XXCoder> not our job, we dont own house
[01:18:41] <Cromaglious_> so cut a hole and fix it
[01:19:03] <Cromaglious_> never stoppped me
[01:23:52] <XXCoder> lol ok
[01:24:03] <Cromaglious_> since the break is in the middle of a stud probably... you might have to put a hole on either side of the stud and cut the wire
[01:24:11] <XXCoder> so what spindle you using? some chinese 500w 52mm dia?
[01:24:20] <Cromaglious_> 52mm 400w dc
[01:24:40] <XXCoder> do you have to calibrate it so you get speed you need?
[01:24:49] <XXCoder> still no wiring info out there lol
[01:25:49] <Cromaglious_> my nano will give me speeds once I get it going... I have 3 neodynium magnets in the fan now
[01:26:35] <Cromaglious_> sheeshz... I was putting in outlets at the age of 14... wiring isn't that hard
[01:26:52] <Cromaglious_> 240v outlets at that
[01:27:02] <XXCoder> yeah, just dont want to do it when house arent mine
[01:27:22] <XXCoder> been wiring for long while myself though nothing complex
[01:27:22] <Cromaglious_> good luck waiting on the slumlord
[01:28:08] <Cromaglious_> while your at it... you could put in an extra outlet there at the break
[01:29:19] <XXCoder> duno how useful it would be at strairs heh, right at bar
[01:29:28] <XXCoder> guy used a extra long screw
[01:29:36] <XXCoder> so it managed to reach wire
[01:29:39] <Cromaglious_> put in a good outlet a CBR-20 leviton at the good outlet and run a 12ga extention cord as well
[01:30:19] <Cromaglious_> and run a power strip as well...
[01:31:02] <Cromaglious_> I've melted 5315's
[01:31:52] <Cromaglious_> if it's a crappy house they probably used 14ga for outlet which are really only good for 13amps
[01:32:00] <XXCoder> built in 1976
[01:32:06] <XXCoder> never revovated since
[01:32:12] <Cromaglious_> maybe, maybe not
[01:32:32] <XXCoder> its always been a halfway house
[01:32:40] <XXCoder> it retired few years ago, before we rented it
[01:32:57] <Cromaglious_> well mine was built in 89 and have a bunch of 14ga circuits for outlets...
[01:33:11] <Cromaglious_> some are 12ga...
[01:33:45] <Cromaglious_> basturds
[01:34:24] <Cromaglious_> hallway outlet is 14AWG, bathrooms are 12AWG
[01:34:43] <Cromaglious_> bedrooms are all 14AWG
[01:34:55] <Cromaglious_> kitchen is 1/2 and 1/2
[01:35:26] <XXCoder> crazy
[01:35:51] <Cromaglious_> microwave, fridge, dishwasher outlets are 12AWG, everything else is 14AWG
[01:36:43] <Cromaglious_> if I had the money I'd rewire the entire house with 12AWG and add a shitload more outlets
[01:37:22] <XXCoder> 10 each room ;) including closets lol
[01:40:55] <Cromaglious_> need one outside by the front door, inside on either side of the door, either side of fireplace, 2 more in hallway, 4 more in each bedroom, 1 more in laundry room, kitchen is OK, dining room needs another 2. 7 in bedrooms, 1 every 4 feet of wall run not counting doors, 1 at least on every wall >2' long except laundry room inly need 1 more.
[01:42:49] <XXCoder> cant do part a time?
[01:42:51] <XXCoder> say room a time
[01:43:46] <Cromaglious_> more like a wall at a time.
[01:44:36] <XXCoder> hmm
[01:44:47] <XXCoder> how do you run a new wire when walls is all built anyway
[01:47:04] <jesseg> CaptHindsight, thanks for the link. However, that page seems to be about the mapp gas, not the little red 1.4oz oxygen tank you can optionally use with it for a super hot flame :D
[02:22:33] <KreAa> :)
[02:22:43] <KreAa> Just got my BeeBox working with LinuxCNC :)
[02:22:52] <KreAa> N3150 model
[02:23:01] <XXCoder> boobox
[02:23:04] <XXCoder> er beebox
[02:23:49] <KreAa> Ripped out the network card (mPCIe 25mm) and installed a mPCIe extender hooking up a mPCIe LPT card :)
[02:24:17] <KreAa> untill now I had lots of issues getting the cards to work but now it's not boo any more :)
[02:24:21] <KreAa> working finally
[02:24:30] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LgAhqAOFQs this type machibe?
[02:26:08] <KreAa> Not really
[02:26:14] <KreAa> This type pc:
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/ah/docs/716/361/in1_s.jpg
[02:26:54] <KreAa> perfect size to put inside the control enclosure of your cnc :)
[02:27:00] <KreAa> atleast in mine hehe
[02:27:01] <XXCoder> ahh
[02:27:12] <XXCoder> tiny computer nice
[02:27:13] <KreAa> and it's 4-core
[02:27:17] <XXCoder> how is its latency?
[02:27:27] <KreAa> I tried it now running axis while playing video on yourtube
[02:27:33] <KreAa> good so far but can be better
[02:27:38] <XXCoder> it can compute all digits in PI and still be worthless if latency sucks
[02:27:47] <KreAa> I think setting it up with dedicated core for realtime will improve it
[02:28:03] <XXCoder> I need to check into that
[02:28:20] <XXCoder> srill waiting for parts so not muchj to do for now lol
[02:29:02] <KreAa> I am running latencytest now
[02:29:18] <KreAa> servo thread is at 4200ns and base thread is at 11290ns
[02:29:27] <XXCoder> my other cnc is running, probably finish in couple hours lol
[02:29:36] <XXCoder> its additive though not subtractive :P
[02:29:47] <KreAa> I don't have access, in the image I run now, to the graphing latency though nor the histogram
[02:30:33] <KreAa> I read somewhere that there is lots of improvements one can do on kernel config and such for getting the rt system latency down if you have multiple cores
[02:30:59] <KreAa> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pc-s-success
[02:31:22] <XXCoder> whoa
[02:31:34] <XXCoder> his test is way futher than mine
[02:31:45] <XXCoder> dd on 2 flash drives and drives
[02:31:48] <XXCoder> 5 glxgears
[02:31:57] <XXCoder> fill screen video
[02:32:09] <KreAa> hehe
[02:32:10] <KreAa> yeah
[02:32:10] <XXCoder> 100 gb across network
[02:32:17] <KreAa> he doesn't muck about when he tests
[02:32:22] <KreAa> lol
[02:32:36] <XXCoder> mines 3 glx gears, one HD video, downloading bigass fikle
[02:32:50] <XXCoder> and I also move around one of glxgear window very rapidly aroud screen
[02:33:40] <KreAa> hehe
[02:39:29] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ61lK91HRE
[02:39:32] <XXCoder> that guy is crazy
[02:39:40] <XXCoder> building machine purely from junk
[02:39:44] <XXCoder> and pretty awesome.
[02:40:40] <XXCoder> hes been working towards that for a while.
[02:41:15] <XXCoder> oh and he made 100% coggulated paper cnc machine lol (human number control lol)
[02:52:57] <KreAa> hehe
[02:53:04] <KreAa> I did the tweaks listed on page I linked to
[02:53:12] <KreAa> running 2us jitter now with peaks to 12
[02:53:18] <KreAa> much better tyhan the 15 I had
[02:53:38] <XXCoder> nice
[02:53:46] <XXCoder> I saved link for future reference
[03:00:01] <KreAa> https://s11.postimg.org/t76312uo3/cnc_10_Oct2016_68.png
[03:00:07] <KreAa> Got histogram running
[03:00:19] <KreAa> Had a youtube hd vid running and two glxgears ontop
[03:00:30] <XXCoder> move one glx rapidly around
[03:00:32] <KreAa> and started chromium
[03:00:34] <XXCoder> uyou'll get pretty good spike
[03:01:08] <KreAa> wow nasty
[03:01:14] <KreAa> so during cnc, no moving windows then
[03:01:23] <KreAa> got it to 19us
[03:01:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:01:27] <KreAa> deffo a spike
[03:01:35] <KreAa> but all in all it seems solid
[03:02:00] <KreAa> and you can see the distribution is sharp
[03:02:03] <KreAa> not gaussian
[03:02:23] <XXCoder> I havenht used histgram lol
[03:02:56] <KreAa> very usefull
[03:02:59] <KreAa> and the graph
[03:03:06] <XXCoder> yeah I'll have to reconfigure it anyway
[03:03:11] <XXCoder> new control setup
[03:03:16] <XXCoder> 3 tb6600s and BOB
[03:12:37] <XXCoder> ever made a feedback for your spindle?
[03:12:49] <XXCoder> Im womndering how as I want it to control speed anmd keep it as its cutting
[03:19:54] <KreAa> I am going to
[03:19:55] <KreAa> hehe
[03:20:11] <KreAa> I want it to pull back up and pause job is spindle rpm drops too much
[03:20:11] <KreAa> hehe
[03:20:26] <KreAa> better than bogging down a bit with alu and snapping it
[03:21:16] <XXCoder> or make it increase power
[03:21:25] <XXCoder> till max then pull up and stop if too much power
[03:21:28] <KreAa> I usually run on max hehe
[03:22:34] <KreAa> I'll be installing the beebox in this
[03:22:36] <KreAa> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/controlsystem/controlbox_2_s.jpg
[03:23:47] <XXCoder> I really need a enclosure.
[03:24:52] <archivist> you seem to be keeping all the heat in the box
[03:25:51] <XXCoder> yummy heat
[03:26:04] <XXCoder> didnt notice that, you might want to do something about that kjrea
[03:26:51] <XXCoder> archivist: any spindle encoder or something advice heh
[03:29:15] <archivist> speed control only needs one pulse per rev
[03:31:04] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:31:19] <XXCoder> I guess something ike encoder would allow far more fine control, meaning can machine tap
[03:33:38] <archivist> you wont be machine tapping with a high speed spindle
[03:33:53] <XXCoder> hmm yeah guess not
[03:34:27] <XXCoder> so one pluse per rev means it can keep rpm at correct value as its running?
[03:35:35] <archivist> yes
[03:36:13] <XXCoder> not bad, though i wonder on sensor. theres hall and light sensors
[05:30:18] <jthornton> morning
[05:30:27] <XXCoder> hey the evil jthornton
[05:30:36] <jthornton> lol
[05:30:50] <XXCoder> yee master. sorry
[05:31:21] <XXCoder> ;)
[05:32:59] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182889
[05:33:41] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:273805
[05:34:15] <XXCoder> that works with our model?
[05:34:29] <jthornton> dunno just woke up lol
[05:34:55] <XXCoder> hm did I forfet to tell you that I fixed the stl model?
[05:35:10] <jthornton> it looks similar to ours
[05:35:11] <jthornton> yes
[05:35:24] <jthornton> except not a 2020
[05:36:01] <XXCoder> I was considering using fan mount on front to add side part for inductive sensor
[05:36:53] <XXCoder> LOL
[05:36:58] <XXCoder> look at first one example
[05:37:03] <XXCoder> insane slope
[05:39:58] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcGFLwj0pnA
[05:43:53] <Deejay> moin
[05:44:26] <XXCoder> aw one of noncaptionef ones
[05:44:40] <XXCoder> he started captioning after I asked but his autocaptions is good
[05:44:52] <XXCoder> and yeah
[05:51:51] <jthornton> yea I need to do auto bed leveling and toss the springs out lol
[05:52:08] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:52:34] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awsI9bMndJA
[05:52:44] <jthornton> that one uses a rc servo and a switch
[05:53:25] <XXCoder> im likely to use inductor
[05:53:30] <XXCoder> easiest and seems pretty cheap
[05:55:22] <jthornton> that one used the same ramps as the first one I got
[06:00:42] <jthornton> we have an older version of marlin so I wonder if auto bed leveling is in it
[06:01:10] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:01:23] <XXCoder> still havent had an idea on how to get that info.
[06:02:04] <jthornton> yea it is in Configuration.h
[06:02:18] <XXCoder> and how do I read that lol
[06:02:51] <jthornton> you have arduino installed?
[06:03:15] <XXCoder> I dont even own one
[06:03:29] <jthornton> yes you do
[06:03:37] <jthornton> you print with it
[06:03:48] <XXCoder> I guess mine has ramps and arudino built in together
[06:04:06] <jthornton> you need the older version of arduino software
[06:04:30] <XXCoder> older? features was removed/
[06:04:30] <jthornton> ramps is the stepper board part arduino is the brain part
[06:05:00] <jthornton> you can't compile the sketch we have with the newest version you get an error
[06:05:29] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> still printing but will check when done
[06:12:37] <jthornton> wow you can control the servo with M code
[06:13:47] <jthornton> /software/Firmware source/6_Marlin_ramps1.4plus_4.7K_LCD2004__eeprom_8mm_20151222/Marlin-Marlin_v1/Marlin
[06:14:00] <jthornton> that's where the marlin files are on the sd
[06:14:53] <XXCoder> whats you use to get its shell?
[06:15:09] <jthornton> shell?
[06:15:16] <XXCoder> terminial
[06:15:36] <XXCoder> or are you using some other method to browse its files?
[06:15:37] <jthornton> menu accessories usually
[06:15:44] <jthornton> file manager
[06:16:26] <jthornton> what os are you using?
[06:17:33] <XXCoder> xfce mint (linux)
[06:18:51] <jthornton> I just click on menu places home
[06:19:34] <XXCoder> only have "my book" and "samsung" as mounted storage
[06:20:09] <jthornton> I just copied the contents of the sd card to my hard drive
[06:20:41] <XXCoder> oh
[06:21:14] <jthornton> then open the synaptic package manager and install arduino
[06:21:17] <XXCoder> reading it now
[06:23:10] <XXCoder> it dont seem to contain marin version
[06:23:42] <jthornton> in the sd card?
[06:23:54] <XXCoder> yeah. now installing arduino]
[06:24:21] <jthornton> you have a software/Firmware source directory on the sd card
[06:24:31] <XXCoder> yeah already there
[06:26:40] <jthornton> 6_Marlin_ramps1.4plus_4.7K_LCD2004__eeprom_8mm_20151222/Marlin-Marlin_v1/Marlin
[06:26:45] <jthornton> that's where the files are
[06:27:57] <XXCoder> like i said im already there lol
[06:28:11] <XXCoder> we have same versions
[06:28:12] <jthornton> oh I thought you said you could not find it
[06:28:26] <XXCoder> I used my sdcard to check firmware version
[06:28:41] <XXCoder> I tought you meant browse to 3d printer drive or something
[06:29:49] <Tom_itx> nothing like waking up to the smell of burning filament in the morning...
[06:30:27] <XXCoder> yummy
[06:34:38] <XXCoder> jthornton: the readme says it has auto level
[06:34:40] <XXCoder> so yeah
[06:34:45] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: so whats happening?
[06:35:09] <jthornton> lol
[06:35:13] <Tom_itx> not alot
[06:35:26] <jthornton> yea it just needs to be configured after you add your sensor
[06:35:46] <Tom_itx> too many configs... sounds like lcnc :)
[06:36:08] <Tom_itx> it should just work (sm)
[06:38:51] <jthornton> the ramps only has a compiled version so you can't "read" it
[06:39:05] <XXCoder> yeah that was what IO tought
[06:39:22] <jthornton> you make changes to the text files then compile and upload them
[06:39:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:40:14] <XXCoder> I guess arudino install included libraries nesscary to compile those source code into firmware in order to be flashed.
[06:40:25] <jthornton> hmm I have 3 rc servos that came with my radio that I can use
[06:41:44] <jthornton> yea after you install arduino start it up and go to Tools Processor and set it to Mega 2560
[06:42:07] <XXCoder> getting ready to go to bed heh
[06:42:08] <XXCoder> 4 am
[06:42:12] <jthornton> then Tools Port and pick the port
[06:42:16] <jthornton> ok
[06:42:24] <XXCoder> around typical time I go bed
[06:42:42] <jthornton> 6am here
[06:42:43] <XXCoder> just need to figure what to add $20 for amazon so free shipping lol
[06:42:46] <XXCoder> thats like 50% off
[06:42:57] <XXCoder> because shipping is $10 so far
[06:43:02] <jthornton> get a micro switch and a rc servo
[06:43:26] <XXCoder> nah already added induction probe
[06:45:34] <XXCoder> btw
http://picpaste.com/IMG_20161010_005114-WYSp9SO3.jpg
[06:45:36] <jthornton> you should be done already
[06:45:46] <XXCoder> left cube is failed test to get rid of strings
[06:45:53] <XXCoder> right is near success
[06:46:08] <XXCoder> my most recent it had no holes zits or strings :)
[06:46:15] <jthornton> yea
[06:46:35] <jthornton> I thought you were showing me a photo of the probe
[06:59:05] <XXCoder> heh
[06:59:14] <XXCoder> well decided on zika marble filiment
[06:59:19] <XXCoder> hope its not shitty
[06:59:26] <XXCoder> night
[06:59:42] <XXCoder> im getting ready, but will check bhack before bed
[07:02:42] <jthornton> ok see you later
[07:03:24] <XXCoder> night
[07:05:33] <jthornton> Tom_itx: you order your HGM yet?
[07:45:07] <MacGalempsy> xxcoder $20 in extra nozzles
[08:49:48] <jthornton> I wonder how to pick out good LM8UU bearings on amazon?
[08:51:18] <jthornton> I guess uxcell is a good brand
[08:52:33] <jdh> I thought uxcell was just a chinese shop
[08:52:57] <jthornton> dunno it's the only one that shows up as a brand name on amazon
[08:53:34] <jdh> they sell through amazon ebay etc
[08:54:18] <jthornton> the Y rails are too flexible with 8mm rods
[09:03:26] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:10:37] <_methods> jdh: how'd you make out
[09:11:00] <_methods> finally got our power back yesterday about 3pm
[09:12:21] <jdh> cool. pretty uneventful for me.
[09:12:37] <_methods> yeah i thought we were going to make it without losing power
[09:12:42] <jdh> not too bad here. actually worse inland. my daughter in raleigh still has no power
[09:12:46] <_methods> but finally lost it about 10am
[09:13:14] <_methods> wow crazy all the way in to raleigh eh
[09:13:30] <_methods> i saw nc got some major flooding
[09:13:49] <jdh> power co. says fixed by 16th for her
[09:13:53] <_methods> hard to tell from the news because all their talking about is some douche bag grabbin girls cooters
[09:14:05] <_methods> s/their/they're
[09:15:02] <jdh> and emails
[09:15:10] <_methods> yeah
[09:15:26] <_methods> they weren't even talkin about what areas of NC were with bad flooding
[09:19:09] <jdh> I went biking saturday so I cant say much about all the idiots I saw driving around.
[09:28:45] <JT-Shop> I've been so busy I've not rode my bike in a while
[09:29:32] <jdh> 4,882 miles since jan
[09:32:37] <JT-Shop> lol I have 125 on the road bike since I put the thingy on
[09:46:19] <KreAa> archivist: yes the pic shows a box that is being built
[09:46:31] <KreAa> archivist: there is no air inlet/exhaust or filter installed yet
[09:47:31] <archivist> put a thermometer in it to check thermal rise
[09:48:43] <KreAa> why?
[09:48:52] <KreAa> It's NOT supposed to be used like that
[09:48:56] <KreAa> notice all wires are loose!
[09:49:03] <KreAa> It's a work in progress
[09:49:12] <KreAa> so far I run it without lid on
[09:49:32] <KreAa> and I will be removing the beaglebone black alltogether, it is just too weak
[09:49:39] <KreAa> in with the BeeBox N3150 !
[09:49:42] <archivist> a sealed box with chips is a reasonable idea, just normally use aluminium
[09:49:55] <KreAa> I know
[09:49:59] <KreAa> I will use filter instead
[09:50:24] <KreAa> there are components in there that require air ventilation so they won't cool well if bolted to a sink
[09:50:47] <KreAa> I will be installing it under the cnc though so not too bad in chipland
[09:51:20] <KreAa> btw you heard I got the BeeBox to run with lpt ports ?
[10:22:12] <Erant> JT-Shop: Time to get back on. It's the only thing that clears my head for certain.
[10:23:12] <JT-Shop> planning on a ride today sometime on the mountain bike
[10:23:43] <Erant> That too. Though >80MPH seems to be more effective for me.
[10:24:06] <Erant> I mean, euh, *cough* 65.
[10:26:22] <JT-Shop> oh yea the BlueWing has been >120
[10:28:03] <Erant> I haven't had my V-Strom outside of the Bay Area much, so 110 is roughly my top end right now. Don't feel like having to pay the funtax.
[10:28:36] <JT-Shop> yea, I don't go that fast anymore
[10:52:41] <Erant> JT-Shop: It usually creeps up on me.
[10:53:57] <jdh> like trump?
[11:21:13] <MacGalempsy> does anyone have an idead how to take a hole on a round surface in fusion360 and project it onto a piece of paper?
[11:21:45] <SpeedEvil> printer?
[11:21:51] <SpeedEvil> (sorry)
[11:22:26] <MacGalempsy> this tube goes tangent to the drum, so it is more oval shape,
[11:23:04] <MacGalempsy> i want to print an outlinr and glue it to the barrel and then cu it out
[11:33:38] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: you could do it with Blender
[11:34:37] <CaptHindsight> you'd have to "unwrap" the texture on the surface
[11:35:04] <CaptHindsight> never used Fusion so I don't know how to export it to Blender
[11:35:33] <MacGalempsy> so a body split made the form piece.
[11:37:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ha2rFR6qO0 introduction to uv unwrapping
[11:41:05] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy:
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/design-validate-document/export-uv-mapping-to-external-renderer/td-p/5310045
[11:48:47] <Erant> MacGalempsy: Projection? Let me give it a shot.
[11:49:16] <Erant> (Or did you already get it)
[11:50:30] <MacGalempsy> nope. still messing around
[11:50:58] <MacGalempsy> too bad my 3d printer is down at the moment
[11:52:41] <MacGalempsy> got an idea.
[11:55:51] <Erant> Projection doesn't work, it basically requires an 'unroll'
[11:57:59] <archivist> in any other cad prog, make a plane at the angle of the hole, draw circle, extrude cut through the surface
[11:59:16] <Erant> archivist: He wants to then take the resulting shape of the cut 'unrolled'.
[12:00:16] <Erant> It's this oblong shape.
[12:00:52] <archivist> then you need sheet unroll, /me hugs solidworks
[12:03:07] <MacGalempsy> :p
[12:03:13] <archivist> for practice make a traditional oil jug :)
[12:04:44] <Erant> Yeah, I can't seem to figure it out in Fusion 360.
[12:05:23] <archivist> probably as easy to do on paper like I first did it
[12:07:12] <Erant> You can sort of get close by making a tangent plane at the hole midpoint, and then projecting the hole onto the plane
[12:07:17] <Erant> But it's not 100% accurate
[12:08:38] <Erant> Looks like you can't with Fusion360.
[12:10:51] <CaptHindsight> maybe you didn't try hard enough
[12:13:45] <Erant> I think you can get pretty close with a bunch of planes intersecting the hole.
[12:14:08] <Erant> You get two points on each, and then combine the planes.
[12:14:15] <Erant> But damn that'd be a bitch
[12:14:24] <Erant> Autodesk Inventor can do it
[12:15:02] <CaptHindsight> SW, NX, Catia etc
[12:15:11] <MacGalempsy> ok, so quick and dirty worked ok for one end. i made the tube with the body cut, then printed a top view, enlarged and transfered to a flattened cardboard tube
[12:16:09] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Sure. Inventor has a sheet metal module.
[12:17:10] <CaptHindsight> coat the tube with photopolymer and use a laser to scan the edge of the hole...
[12:17:20] <Erant> ;)
[12:17:23] <CaptHindsight> cut along the cured resin
[12:17:58] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:34:14] <IchGucksLive> its now dark outside in germany
[12:34:32] <IchGucksLive> winter is comming this morning first time ice on car window
[12:35:04] <IchGucksLive> Deejay: how is it up there
[12:35:15] <CaptHindsight> robot arm with Sharpie to mark circle
[12:35:57] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: howmany steps do you use for robotarm per deg
[12:36:09] <IchGucksLive> or is it only servo relared
[12:36:20] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: no steps, it's servo
[12:36:23] <IchGucksLive> to get as many steps as needed
[12:36:46] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: 2500encoder
[12:38:46] <IchGucksLive> encoder 1000 Gear 90:1 = 90000 : 360 = 250steps per deg
[12:38:56] <IchGucksLive> is this a good setup
[12:39:09] <IchGucksLive> for a rotation arm
[12:39:27] <IchGucksLive> depends on armlength i guess
[12:41:59] <CaptHindsight> convert inkjet Y axis to rotation
https://youtu.be/080lYpC-Z9k?t=25s
[12:43:23] <MacGalempsy> well the glue gun is powering up.
[12:43:39] <MacGalempsy> just going to print it
[12:47:33] <IchGucksLive> mill ot print is a better faster way
[12:47:40] <IchGucksLive> depends on part
[12:53:04] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: are you going to FDM print the outline?
[12:55:09] <Erant> IchGucksLive: All depends on the requirements.
[12:55:41] <IchGucksLive> agree
[13:00:22] <Erant> Hmpf. No preload on the RSW1003 ballnuts from Zapp.
[13:00:25] <Erant> That'd be a pain.
[13:04:39] <Erant> But I found someone in China with FSK1002's for ~$60-70.
[13:06:33] <IchGucksLive> china ballnuts are getting better and better
[13:17:00] <CaptHindsight> precision robots <200um repeatability and accuracy have encoders directly on the joint or axis, not through a gear train
[13:18:23] <IchGucksLive> that is on servo mashines a good option but then you got high price encoders
[13:18:33] <IchGucksLive> nott lowprice robots
[13:18:46] <IchGucksLive> im off Gn8
[13:18:52] <CaptHindsight> high precision robots are not inexpensive
[13:20:57] <andypugh> Imprecise robots are not expensive
[13:21:27] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[13:21:45] <andypugh> Actually, I think this is a case of a false corollary. As I can easily imagine a very expensive yet imprecise robot.
[13:22:00] <CaptHindsight> tiffany and co
[13:22:22] <CaptHindsight> platinum with diamond inlay
[13:22:28] <Erant> andypugh: Turns out, no preload on the Zapp ballnuts. About 0.015mm of max backlash. Now I can probably live with that, but :/
[13:22:56] <Erant> Wait. 0.025mm
[13:23:01] <CaptHindsight> or actually the goal of most robot manufacturers
[13:23:05] <andypugh> They can special-order preloaded ones.
[13:23:42] <Erant> For sure, but these specific ones were on sale for way cheap.
[13:23:52] <Erant> (Like, 50% off)
[13:24:32] <andypugh> Try it and see if you can spot the0.025mm
[13:24:55] <Erant> Though I just got a quote from a guy in China for not that much more, so I'll have a think.
[13:24:55] <andypugh> I bought one of these, special order, with preload, for my lathe. But that wasn’t a budget project.
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/mechanical-products/ballscrews/ballnuts-144/fdid-double-ballnuts/r20-05t4-fdid-double-ballnut.html
[13:25:25] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: yes. fdm the parts to trace on the barrel
[13:25:33] <andypugh> You can always preload then yourself.
[13:25:51] <andypugh> (but that involved buying a pair)
[13:25:52] <Erant> I mean, this isn't budget budget either. But I'm also trying to not spend TOO much on this mill. It being an intermediate for me for the next... year-and-a-half, maybe two.
[13:26:01] <MacGalempsy> the printer had a jammed barrel. its warmj g back up
[13:26:15] <Erant> andypugh: Sure. He told me it'd be tedious, and I'd have to find some bearings a few micron oversized.
[13:26:38] <andypugh> That’s for replacing the balls.
[13:27:07] <andypugh> The other way is two nuts screwed on to the shaft with a packer.
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/double-ballnut-pre-loading.html
[13:27:12] <Erant> Oh, you're saying two nuts. Sure.
[13:31:00] <andypugh> I did get a set of oversize balls from Amazon, of all places
[13:31:22] <CaptHindsight> Amazon is great for bearings
[13:31:24] <Erant> The 0.025mm backlash is certainly better than what I have right now (though, obviously I can only measure total backlash.)
[13:31:51] <Erant> So who knows how much of that is the nut, and how much is the rest of the system.
[13:32:13] <MacGalempsy> well crap. x goes + but not -
[13:32:46] <CaptHindsight> loose direction connection?
[13:33:20] <MacGalempsy> im wobbling cnxns now
[13:34:13] <andypugh> No, wait, it was eBay that I got my oversize balls from (stop sniggering at the back)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ballscrew-Ball-Screw-Balls-100-pcs-0-1257-mm3-1927-/380333260427
[13:35:17] <Nick-Shop> Is there a spec for backlash in a C7 ball screw assembly 1605
[13:36:12] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Imprecise robots remids me of the book I am currently reading
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002TZ3FCY/ref=pe_385721_48721101_TE_M1DP contianing the marvellous sentence “It was like being assaulted by a not terribly bright sleeping bag that talked in comic sans with love-hearts for i-dots”
[13:41:36] <MacGalempsy> must have been corroded contacts. its only been a year or so
[13:47:49] <Erant> andypugh: I get a whole bunch of cheap stuff on eBay. I actually get a bunch of my tooling off there. Otherwise I use Suncoast.
[13:49:01] <CaptHindsight> I've found spindle and other high speed precision bearings on Amazon for 1/2 the price or less.
[13:49:33] <CaptHindsight> often it's just one pair or 1 of each size
[13:49:48] <Erant> Interesting. I've almost entirely stopped using Amazon.
[13:50:47] <MacGalempsy> ok. bed is almost to temp. sliced, diced, and hope it all works out the first time!
[13:51:58] <CaptHindsight> Erant: same here, I'm not interested in Prime and most items of interest take several days to arrive
[13:52:19] <Erant> I use eBay for 99% of my purchases.
[13:53:05] <CaptHindsight> most ebay items I find no longer offer any expedited shipping
[13:53:24] <CaptHindsight> so I only order things that can wait at least a week
[13:54:38] <CaptHindsight> and recently vendors don't even respond to being asked about paying extra if they can expedite
[13:54:56] <MacGalempsy> Erant: me too, when i need brand new stuff, amazon can be cheaper
[13:56:19] <CaptHindsight> we have a new Amazon warehouse a 1 hour drive from here
[13:56:42] <CaptHindsight> but nothing I want is fulfilled there
[13:57:50] <MacGalempsy> lol. im waiting for drone delivery so i can start my microwave drone killer project
[13:58:26] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Eh, I can usually wait. There's also a whole bunch of suppliers in CA (because China)
[13:58:38] <Erant> So I filter on 'within 500 miles' or 'within 1000 miles'
[13:59:24] <CaptHindsight> Erant: ground from CA to Chicago is now a full week
[13:59:29] <MacGalempsy> well the print is going strong. time to crack a victory beer
[13:59:53] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Ouch.
[14:00:05] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy is it a big catapult throwing an oven at it?
[14:00:36] <Erant> I can get my stuff by the weekend probably about 90% of the time if I order before Wednesday.
[14:00:54] <Erant> 99% of the time if I order on Sunday.
[14:00:58] <MacGalempsy> SpeedEvil: that would be too much work
[14:01:40] <MacGalempsy> im thinking like the ones used at airports to take down drones with waves of some type
[14:05:27] <MacGalempsy> did someone just order a diamond ring? lol.
[14:07:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.speedeedelivery.com is actually pretty good for local shipping here
[14:13:05] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/M7HWpN I hope the print looks this nice
[14:15:59] <andypugh> “Inner Burner” seems an odd thing to 3d-print
[14:17:55] <MacGalempsy> its just the shape to outline the contact onto the round drum
[14:18:41] <SpeedEvil> lol.
[14:18:46] <MacGalempsy> since the pipe is tangent to the inner cavity, its shape is kval
[14:18:50] <MacGalempsy> oval
[14:18:57] <SpeedEvil> So rather than work out how to get your software to do it, punt and 3d print it.
[14:19:00] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:19:12] <SpeedEvil> (not that that may not be the most rational solution)
[14:19:29] <MacGalempsy> the fusikn forums said it isnt possible at the moment
[14:20:02] <andypugh> What isn’t possible?
[14:20:25] <CaptHindsight> software is mostly magic, so whatever works
[14:23:36] <Erant> Part of what I do is software (security), can attest to it being magic.
[14:23:47] <Erant> The other part is HW security, so.
[14:23:51] <Erant> (Also magic)
[14:30:19] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: unwrapping a round surface for sheet metal layout.
[14:31:12] <andypugh> I bet you could do it with Excel and import the points to draw a spline
[14:33:23] <MacGalempsy> if these tubes print right, i'll be able to run a bolt thru both centers, align them, trace the outlines, and cut with the dremel
[14:34:32] <MacGalempsy> after losing the hdd on the workstation, i lost all the printer settings.
[14:34:44] <andypugh> You could use a laser pointer mounted offset in the lathe chuck to project the shape onto the tube.
[14:34:51] <MacGalempsy> just had to dial down the settings and restart
[14:35:02] <andypugh> (with photo-resist you could then etch the orifice)
[14:37:19] <MacGalempsy> my wife is going to love the printer being indoors!
[14:37:33] <andypugh> Does this seem expensive to anyone else?
[14:37:34] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MDL2014-Modular-5-Axis-50x40x30cm-XYZ-CNC-NEMA-34-HIWIN-Ballscrew-2-2kw-Spindle/221300546907?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39272%26meid%3D484e8319ba21494aacc5f82d3902b318%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302102416674
[14:38:49] <MacGalempsy> yeah, but if its turn key and someone just wants a turnkey unit, that seems fair
[14:39:39] <jdh> cant you get a real machine for that?
[14:41:26] <andypugh> I thought that you could, yes.
[14:42:49] <jdh> nice enclosure. screw covers would be nice
[14:44:28] <MacGalempsy> would be cool for foam sculptures for casting.
[14:56:54] <CaptHindsight> maybe if it came with Linuxcnc
[15:01:36] <CaptHindsight> wow did they flip the Z-positioner and mount the A and C on the backside?
[15:02:16] <CaptHindsight> so the Z-axis is supported by it's carriage
[15:03:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MDL2014-Modular-5-Axis-50x40x30cm-XYZ-CNC-NEMA-34-HIWIN-Ballscrew-2-2kw-Spindle/221300546907?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39272%26meid%3D484e8319ba21494aacc5f82d3902b318%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302102416674
[15:04:02] <CaptHindsight> only 4-axis in this config
[15:10:24] <jdh> if you are tig welding a tube and want to cool it with argon, how much does flow rate affect cool down time?
[15:11:59] <CaptHindsight> 1.01-4x depending on flow rate
[15:12:00] <MacGalempsy> would like to see the cost of the cam to do that
[15:12:29] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: comes included with NX for $30k
[15:16:33] <jdh> I want to reduce gas usage, but not at the cost of overly extended time.
[15:17:05] <CaptHindsight> jdh: look at figure 3
https://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/technical/papers/how-to-select-heatsink.pdf
[15:17:46] <CaptHindsight> jdh:
http://www.crydom.com/en/tech/hs_wp_fa.pdf
[15:20:02] <jdh> so a fast direct jet would be better
[15:20:39] <CaptHindsight> jdh: rather than run the numbers you could experiment and see how long it takes to cool and then decide if the price of gas is worth it
[15:22:34] <CaptHindsight> more flow rate = shorter cooling time, until you get to supersonic speeds
[15:22:40] <jdh> hard to measure the temp in the current cooldown box
[15:23:03] <jdh> and I can't really re-jet it for testing
[15:23:08] <CaptHindsight> contactless thermometer
[15:23:44] <jdh> stainless box with sintered gas diffusion plates
[15:24:07] <jdh> I have a nifty flir cam if I could see it
[15:24:56] <CaptHindsight> if it cools alone in the forest and nobody is there, does it cool
[15:25:44] <jdh> spec for weld color is pretty tight
[15:27:10] <jdh> might be able to measure temp in the new one, but it has to be designed for something (diffusion or jets) first
[15:28:20] <CaptHindsight> jdh: can you switch to air for cooling only?
[15:31:15] <jdh> no
[15:31:27] <jdh> argon or helium
[15:39:05] <jdh> and some minor concern for weld integrity for too rapid cooling
[16:16:02] <JT-Shop> andypugh:
http://imgur.com/a/uxNtj
[16:16:39] <andypugh> ?
[16:16:49] <JT-Shop> nice looking core xy
[16:16:55] <JT-Shop> with a beefy Z
[16:16:59] <andypugh> Ah, OK
[16:17:24] <JT-Shop> one of the few non-smart-alecs on reprap
[16:17:30] <JT-Shop> built it
[16:17:52] <andypugh> Now, CoreXY and a bowden feed + power through the belts. That could be fun :-)
[16:20:03] <JT-Shop> power?
[16:20:32] <andypugh> That Z would work really nicely with 4 screws geared together
[16:20:44] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Power to the heater
[16:20:53] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[16:21:12] <andypugh> There are metal cores. Why not use them :-)
[16:21:28] <JT-Shop> that would be interesting for sure
[16:21:54] <JT-Shop> but none of the ends are outside the frame
[16:22:09] <JT-Shop> 4 screws on the Z?
[16:22:57] * JT-Shop should read the whole line dummy
[16:23:26] <MacGalempsy> took 4 tries but the final outcome looks good!
https://flic.kr/p/MUu8LA
[16:24:02] <JT-Shop> nice what is it?
[16:25:17] <MacGalempsy> it is the outline of the burner tube and the inner chamber wall
[16:26:14] <JT-Shop> ah to cast with
[16:27:02] <MacGalempsy> just to hold up there and draw the outline of the hole. so its a prrfect fit for the form tube
[16:27:45] <JT-Shop> ah
[16:27:46] <Cromaglious_> 1/16 to 1/2 china crap transfer punch set $20
[16:28:15] <MacGalempsy> that is 3mm abs
[16:28:33] <MacGalempsy> no annoying fan required
[16:29:05] <Cromaglious_> ouch metric transfer punch set $46
[16:32:12] <Cromaglious_> just bought a A thru Z transfer punch set for $19
[16:34:07] <CaptHindsight> Cromaglious_: I got one of those but it came with 2 M's and 0 W's :)
[16:34:29] <Cromaglious_> hopefully mine comes with 2 W and no M's
[16:44:09] <Deejay> gn8
[17:07:48] <Nick-Shop> How do I get x home to read 2.75 on the screen after homing?
[17:08:39] <JT-Shop> are you at 2.75?
[17:09:09] <Nick-Shop> after it homes -
[17:09:42] <JT-Shop> or do you want to "move" to X2.75?
[17:11:49] <Nick-Shop> at the home index on the resolver, I would like it to read 2.75. That's how far the score marks on the turret is from spindle CL
[17:13:12] <Nick-Shop> when it's finished homing on X
[17:14:00] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html#_home_offset
[17:19:57] <Nick-Shop> TRAJ -home zero = 2.75 0 still gives me x0 and z0 on the screen
[17:29:23] <JT-Shop> I don't think there is a home zero
[17:30:53] * JT-i3 wonders if XXCoder is around
[17:30:56] <Nick-Shop> Changing these values makes x move by that amount. I'm trying to have x stay at the home positing (switch + index) and have the screen read X2.75
[17:31:35] <Nick-Shop> home 0 is in traj and the axis sections in ini
[17:31:56] <gregcnc> HOME_OFFSET=2.75 under the axis in question in the INI file will do what you want
[17:32:42] <Nick-Shop> I would like to disable the g54 drop down menu as It's not usefull in lathe mode.
[17:36:15] <JT-Shop> if Axis you would have to edit the files
[17:37:07] <Nick-Shop> greg - that makes it move after it homes
[17:39:23] <Nick-Shop> jt- what files? Every so often someone makes a mistake and touches of and clicks the g54 for touchoff and I have to go correct it. That happens on the first Hardinge
[17:41:36] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure where everything is for Axis it is quite confusing
[17:41:49] <JT-Shop> I made touch off buttons for my Hardinge
[17:42:03] <Nick-Shop> thought I'd ask
[17:42:10] <Nick-Shop> does lathe come up in radius mode by default?
[17:42:28] <JT-Shop> I'd bet there is a way to not show something in the .axisrc file
[17:43:09] <JT-Shop> I think that depends on what you have in the ini
[17:44:27] <Nick-Shop> what would be the line?
[17:44:48] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_rs274ngc_section
[17:45:01] <JT-Shop> RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE
[17:46:45] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: I think you can probably set HOME_OFFSET and HOME_POSITION equal to each other and not get the rapid.
[17:47:32] <andypugh> Or, quite probably, swap some resolver wires.
[17:48:10] <andypugh> That might need you to re-work the commutation, so might be too much trouble.
[17:50:29] <Nick-Shop> have g18 will add g8 for radius mode , g20 for inch
[17:51:12] <Nick-Shop> andy -will try it now - be back
[17:53:34] <CaptHindsight> anybody have experience with SRA bench power supplies?
http://www.sra-solder.com/dc-power-supplies
[17:53:50] <CaptHindsight> are they trash after a year or so?
[17:54:03] <CaptHindsight> or just when taken out of the box?
[17:54:24] <andypugh> They look very mid-priced
[17:55:18] <CaptHindsight> I know it's not a lambda or similar
[17:55:42] <andypugh> 1 5 star review on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/KA6005D-Precision-Variable-Adjustable-Regulated/dp/B00G0HAY3U
[17:56:12] <CaptHindsight> the silicon is usually the same old parts from the 70's
[17:56:43] <CaptHindsight> it's just how long will the capos last and how soon will the connections oxidize
[17:56:56] <CaptHindsight> capos/caps
[17:57:17] <andypugh> One on AliExpress has 85 revews and 4.9 out of 5 stars, which is promising
[17:57:35] <CaptHindsight> from different accounts? :)
[17:58:15] <andypugh> Yes, but all Russian
[17:58:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BK-Precision-1685B-60V-5A-Switching-Bench-DC-Power-Supply-/201673578836 BK used to be OK, nothing like HP/Agilent or Tek
[17:59:52] <CaptHindsight> oh, thats a switcher
[18:01:32] <andypugh> I found one of these in the skip at work, and stopped looking:
http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/101374/Bench-PSU-adjustable-voltage-Gossen-Metrawatt-SSP-120-40-0-40-Vdc-0-6-A-120-W-RS232-programmable-No-of-outputs-1
[18:02:14] <Erant> andypugh: Any recommendations for DROs? I want to put at least 2 on my Atlas. As in, how much am I going to hate myself if I go for eBay ones?
[18:02:51] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: nice find, who throws that away?
[18:03:01] <Erant> CaptHindsight: You'd be surprised.
[18:03:14] <CaptHindsight> guberment
[18:03:22] <DaViruz> my ebay ones have been pretty nice
[18:03:30] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: The on-off switch was broken. It cost me £10 for the identical replacement.
[18:03:34] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: what brand?
[18:03:51] <CaptHindsight> knew there had to be something wrong
[18:04:06] <CaptHindsight> cord dirty, missing screw etc
[18:04:07] <DaViruz> "SINPO"
[18:04:23] <andypugh> Erant: I know _nothing_ about DROs, but look for something that you can later connect the scales to LinuxCNC
[18:04:27] <DaViruz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SINPO-3-axis-digital-readout-complete-DRO-kit-/220523008542?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
[18:04:48] <Erant> andypugh: Duly noted.
[18:05:41] <Erant> DaViruz: Thanks, will take a look. I have some calipers from iGaging that aren't half bad (They're a very good Mitutoyo clone), so I was looking at their DROs.
[18:05:50] <DaViruz> the main unit started acting up once, sometimes it would not turn on properly
[18:06:01] <DaViruz> the seller sent a new board out directly with no fuss
[18:06:26] <Erant> Like, good repeatability, fairly accurate (I mean, it's not a mic. I've got a Mitutoyo one for that)
[18:08:03] <Erant> DaViruz: That's a glass scale thingamabob?
[18:08:34] <Erant> Yep, k.
[18:09:12] <DaViruz> yep
[18:10:00] <DaViruz> price has only went up from $375 to $390 since 2010. that's not too bad
[18:10:27] <Erant> Yeah, looks like I can get a 2 axes one for...
[18:10:35] <Erant> ~$265
[18:12:35] <Erant> I take that back. $185
[18:15:34] <Erant> That's cheaper than I thought. And not a lot of my lathework is more than like, a thou anyway.
[18:15:56] <Erant> Actually, I say that, that's not true. Some bores have to be pretty spot on.
[18:18:04] <Nick-Shop> Got X to home and read 2.75 but now it exceeded positive soft limit on joint 0
[18:18:05] <Nick-Shop> soft limit is set just before hard limit switch 0.300 on X +
[18:18:48] <DaViruz> i don't really use DROs to get to final dimensions, just to take my mind of counting
[18:19:50] <DaViruz> x home is 2.75 but x+ limit is 0.3?
[18:21:54] <Nick-Shop> beyond the home switch in + direction -- soft limit
[18:23:28] <Nick-Shop> I con be rapiding the slide and it will stop just before the hard limit on it's own
[18:24:59] <Nick-Shop> have it set for the same thing in - dir - good thing because that switch is bad and it keeps me from jamiing it in - dir
[18:42:27] <JT-i3> XXCoder:
[18:45:39] <JT-i3> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1818785
[19:02:19] <Nick-Shop> JT - finally got the x homing ok also had to reset the soft limits
[19:02:20] <Nick-Shop> now to get the turret working
[19:03:26] <andypugh> A fried just bought a Gaz 66 truck. Looks like fun.
[19:05:39] <JT-i3> dang
[19:06:16] * JT-i3 wanders inside while the printer finishes
[19:13:38] <andypugh> This model, in fact. I believe that is a fuel-fired heater on the roof.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-66#/media/File:GAZ_66.jpg
[19:22:50] <enleth> andypugh: does it have engine access hatch between the seats? UAZ trucks do
[19:23:25] <enleth> you can do basic engine maintenance on the go
[19:24:11] <andypugh> Yes, the engine is just there bertween the seets under a tin cover
[19:25:45] <enleth> that's because you do need some regular maintenance with those trucks
[19:30:28] <Nick-Shop> Going home - tired of playing with all these tiny wires.
[19:32:22] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how many bottles of vodka/km it gets?
[19:33:05] <enleth> andypugh: to be precise - many soviet bloc military vehicles were designed to be operated by a force with access to unlimited cheap labor, which means that they don't require much in the way of tooling to maintain and fix in the field, but they sink a lot of man-hours to keep running well
[19:33:15] <enleth> they could afford that more than tools
[19:33:20] <CaptHindsight> andy just left
[19:33:25] <enleth> oh well
[19:33:45] <enleth> I've got join/part messages disabled, too much noise
[19:34:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah, some days it's pretty bad
[19:35:51] <enleth> anyway, soviet stuff is fun, but it doesn't "last" in the way some people expect it to, it will run forever if you have a bunch of recruits handy to oil it daily but it will break down pretty fast if you expect it to run unmaintained
[19:36:35] <gregcnc> how would one drive that in the UK, it looks twice as wide as the roads?
[19:38:53] <enleth> gregcnc: it's 3cm narrower than an ALX400
[19:39:04] <enleth> a bit wider than a Routemaster
[19:39:18] <enleth> so it's going to fit wherever a bus can go just fine
[19:40:25] <gregcnc> oh i imagine roads being just big enough fo squeeze two minis. or maluchy like in poland
[19:43:31] <MacGalempsy> now all i need is cement
https://flic.kr/p/MCJoiY
[19:43:50] <enleth> gregcnc: that's simple
[19:43:51] <MacGalempsy> well. one more hole to cut in the steel drum
[19:44:09] <enleth> gregcnc: you just drive straight ahead and push small crap aside
[22:46:06] <MacGalempsy> anyone still having fun?
[22:50:24] <mikeh_> i've been out of the loop for a while..did Tormach release PathPilot as open source?
[22:50:35] <mikeh_> or like bless people using it on non-Tormach machines?
[22:51:45] <MacGalempsy> no idea. this is #linuxcnc
[22:52:46] <mikeh_> right...pathpilot runs on linuxcnc.
[23:21:13] <CaptHindsight> https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/7300268c-1a3e-4937-a68f-601637484581-large.jpeg
[23:37:39] <CaptHindsight> huh, must just be the largest SKF bearing
[23:38:07] <CaptHindsight> Schaeffler makes larger
http://bilder2.n-tv.de/img/incoming/origs4393321/7612734854-w1000-h960/23965823.jpg
[23:38:30] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/20113/China_THB_three_row_cylindrical_roller_slewing_ring_bearings_for_shipyard_cranes20113111530197.jpg
[23:41:02] <CaptHindsight> https://engineered.thyssenkrupp.com/en/the-worlds-%e2%80%a8largest-bearing/
[23:41:12] <Valen> they all have their toes under it!!!!
[23:42:14] <CaptHindsight> mo worries, steel toe boots :)
[23:43:46] <CaptHindsight> Valen: have you gotten around yet to the new polymer concrete machine?
[23:44:03] <Valen> nah not yet, still messing about with other stuff
[23:44:05] <CaptHindsight> just wondering what you decided on using
[23:44:47] <Valen> at the moment its a pile of hardwood lol
[23:45:25] <Valen> http://i.imgur.com/lyfNfqE.jpg
[23:45:29] <Valen> making a workbench
[23:45:32] <Valen> all hardwood ;->
[23:47:07] <CaptHindsight> is lumber a term you use down there for a pile of dimensional wood?
[23:48:46] <Valen> I haven't heard it much
[23:50:34] <CaptHindsight> Valen: I'm trying to find a paper you might like on reinforced polymer concrete for machines
[23:52:48] <Valen> I have oft wondered about adding say CF or fibreglass to the EG
[23:53:35] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/2eWjnYtOrXq9.jpg
[23:56:53] <pink_vampire> mikeh_: let me know if you find out
[23:59:08] <CaptHindsight> Valen:
http://www.mech.utah.edu/~me7960/lectures/Topic14-DesignOfMachineStructures.pdf
