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[00:49:29] <Crom> Erant, Still trying
[00:51:55] <Crom> with the slotting code... I should be be able TO RUN higher feed rate... also thinking about putting beeswax down in there to help keep the endmill from loading
[00:53:41] <Crom> need to post process again leaving 1.588mm clearance on the wall...
[00:54:32] <Crom> I think I'll still be 1mm short of bottom using the 1/8x1/4 bit
[02:22:21] <Deejay> moin
[02:32:26] <Demure_> Ok, call me crazy but: How does one swap knurls on a cheap knurling tool?
[02:32:37] <Demure_> There's a pin through the knurl and that's it, but I can't get it out no matter what
[02:54:14] <archivist> is it pressed or riveted
[02:55:10] <DaViruz> is there a way to make linuxcnc set motion.spindle-on on M3/M4 regardless of no S word being set?
[02:59:33] <DaViruz> "Spindle speed "Sn" must be set to a positive non zero value for M3/4 to turn on spindle motion."
[02:59:37] <DaViruz> probably not..
[04:41:50] <XXCoder> revolution
[04:46:43] <Demure_> So setting up my tooltable and all the tool touchoffs, any ideal way of doing this? Currently I have a small endmill in there with a known shaft diameter, I first set the tool height to the cutting tip of the endmill, then move it to the side of the endmill, unlock the tool from the toolholder and slide it up against the bar and lock it again.
[04:46:52] <Demure_> Any immediate "That's going to create an issue" for anyone?
[05:17:13] <Demure_> ....Made a copy of my hal / ini files and ran PCNConf on that, apparently still references the original path because it just overwrite my original hal / ini files. Great.
[05:19:46] <Demure_> Did not hope to start the day with having to reconfigure entire linuxcnc :')
[05:24:23] <jthornton> morning
[05:25:38] <jthornton> Demure_: what kind of spindle do you have assuming a mill type device
[05:25:55] <Demure_> It's a lathe
[05:26:40] <jthornton> with a tool turret?
[05:27:45] <archivist> or quick change tool post?
[05:28:19] <Demure_> Quick change tool post, Multifix
[05:28:30] <Demure_> Had a tool turret before, but much much prefer the tool post
[05:28:44] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
[05:28:55] <Demure_> Just not that well acquainted with LinuxCNC yet so remembering every adjustment I had made will take me a while..
[05:29:18] <Demure_> Oh, the tool setting was going fine, thanks, not the problem anymore :P
[05:31:18] <jthornton> I set Z0 to the chuck face with a dowel and X by test cut and measure then Z0 for the material using usually tool 1 for me and a dowel
[05:33:38] <Demure_> Thanks, will remember that
[05:33:47] <Demure_> But now I lost all my HAL and INI files for the configs so gotta start over
[05:37:29] <jthornton> XXCoder: the HGM is all assembled...
[05:37:47] <XXCoder> whats HGM again? heh\
[05:38:32] <XXCoder> ah hot glue machine
[05:42:37] <jthornton> lol'
[05:43:03] <jthornton> yea just need to wire up the power supply and hot bed and hot end and ready to start adjusting
[05:44:25] <XXCoder> whats annoying is z limit switch
[05:44:33] <XXCoder> I cantw ait to move on to inductive.
[05:44:47] <jthornton> yet is it kinda lame
[05:45:14] <jthornton> I got a Mk3 hot bed and no glass is needed
[05:45:33] <XXCoder> alumboard type? yeah mines that too
[05:52:33] <jthornton> yea, do you print right on the aluminum surface?
[05:53:29] <XXCoder> nah I use white roll of tape come with it
[05:53:37] <XXCoder> elmer glue helps
[05:54:28] <XXCoder> get purple version, one that fades when dry
[05:54:34] <XXCoder> easier to see where you have glued
[05:55:23] <jthornton> no tape came with mine
[05:55:35] <XXCoder> really? interesting
[05:55:43] <XXCoder> well
[05:55:47] <XXCoder> get blue masking tape
[05:56:03] <XXCoder> scorch is well recommanded apparent;y
[06:07:17] <jthornton> scorch?
[06:07:33] <XXCoder> mispelled but very common tape company
[06:10:24] <archivist> Scotch/3M
[06:14:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:14:56] <jthornton> ah the blue painter tape
[06:15:16] <jthornton> I remember a web site by a guy name scorch
[06:15:36] <XXCoder> heh one of first games I played was scorched earth
[06:15:49] <XXCoder> only few games was earlier
[06:16:15] <XXCoder> Space quest heh that may well be first game I ever played
[06:16:50] <XXCoder> http://playdosgamesonline.com/res/scorched-earth.html can play it now
[08:00:15] * Loetmichel is jsut doing a small series of 19" enclosures for a gigabit switch. The CNC 6040 router is continously working 8 hours a day since last week monday... maaan, thats taking its time... only 6 top lids and 9 front panels to go tho... (and some small parts like 10* the sfp-cover ) http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16426&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[09:12:40] <ToddZ> Wow, that's a lot of little screws (I'd have considerd half that many to be too much)
[09:38:58] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: all in the name of paranoia ;)
[09:39:34] <archivist> spacing matters for RF screening
[09:39:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You forgot the RF gasket shielding
[09:41:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
http://www.emc-solutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/image1.jpg
[10:00:03] <Loetmichel> ToddZ: RF shielding. biger spacing between the screws needs RF gaskets. Expensive stuff. Srews are cheaper
[10:01:27] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: too expensive. tightly spaced screws do the same and are way less costly :-)
[10:09:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: haha, you cheap bastard =)
[10:13:07] <JT-Shop> I have eth0 configured as static but eth1 does not work now, any ideas?
[10:14:13] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: my CFO ist the bosses wife.. a Chink... and an (ex) Financial controller... its not my decision to be cheap as fuck.
[10:14:20] <skunkworks> what does your interfaces file look like?
[10:14:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: LMAO =)
[10:15:45] <Loetmichel> thats no laughing matter. thats a sad matter
[10:16:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's all good. We used RF gaskets on EVERYTHING when I worked on ALQ-157. I hated those damn things, would always poke my hands/fingers every time
[10:16:46] <Loetmichel> she orders the enclosures in china instead of the local sheet metal guys we worked with for years... and EVERY time we sped loads of time AND money to fix the garbage we get delivered.
[10:17:05] <JT-Shop> skunkworks:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/23280121/
[10:17:11] <Loetmichel> but she doesent want to see that the locals would have been cheaper in the end EVERY TIME...
[10:17:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: heh, maybe it's a family member in china
[10:18:06] <Loetmichel> possibly
[10:18:11] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, are you know what eth0 is? (have you tried swapping them?)
[10:18:38] <JT-Shop> yes I use eth0 to flash 7i92's but I can try
[10:19:01] <Loetmichel> but honestly i think she is just to dumb to recogfnize that her "buy cheap, buy twice" politics is way mopre expensive than what we had til now
[10:19:42] <JT-Shop> now I get a broken connection symbol
[10:20:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Get your rocking chair off the ethernet cable =)
[10:20:56] <JT-Shop> now it works lol
[10:21:52] <skunkworks> heh
[10:22:05] <Jymmm> has anyone seen a photoresistor ever go bad?
[10:22:10] <skunkworks> I know I have to restart the network service when I goof around with that
[10:24:17] <JT-Shop> might have been a bad connection on the cable...
[10:25:19] <Simonious> Is this a reasonable machine if a guy wants to do PCBs?
http://store.hackaday.com/products/othermill-desktop-pcb-cnc-milling-machine
[10:25:20] <Jymmm> ...or a rocking chair
[10:26:53] <Simonious> hmm.. we use kicad
[10:30:36] <Jymmm> Simonious: $2K+ for a mostly plastic machine? I'd like to see more detailed photos than hype
[10:31:15] <Simonious> Jymmm: I'm not going to lie, if Hackaday put it on their site, my expectation is that it's better than average.
[10:31:25] <Simonious> so I may be led astray
[10:31:54] <archivist> very expensive for pile of plastic
[10:34:56] <Jymmm> Simonious: Would you like another glass of kool aid? ;)
[10:37:46] <Simonious> yes, that stuff is great
[10:38:08] <Simonious> I found out there is a reservoir full of it in my car recently!
[10:38:41] <pcw_home> Ahh the Blueberry koolaid
[10:39:25] <Jymmm> Simonious: Here ya go...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dahlgren-Wizzard-Engraver-Extra-Cartridges-For-Engraving-Tags-Badges-Not-Roland/232091517515
[10:40:18] <Simonious> Jymmm: nasty
[10:40:20] <gregcnc> loetmichel, what keeps you working for these people?
[10:41:31] <MacGalempsy> lol. "not roland"
[10:41:40] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: the boss. he needs someone who holds his his ass out of the deep water... and he is/was one to inspire loyality, despite is bad taste in women
[10:42:20] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: are you sure she's female?
[10:42:32] <gregcnc> the same boss who won't equip you with a pneumatic rivter?
[10:42:53] <Jymmm> Simonious: At least you wouldn't need vaseline with this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Mini-3-Axis-CNC-Router-Engraver-PCB-PVC-Milling-Wood-Carving-Machine-/222227382603
[10:43:00] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: thats his wife speaking.
[10:43:21] <Simonious> Jymmm: that *looks* servicable, but could be a nightmare
[10:43:22] <gregcnc> the boss didn't see your trip to the hopsital after the one you were using broke?
[10:45:09] <Jymmm> Simonious: If you get the one you linked to, ask them if this is included...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MR3IVO/
[10:45:21] <gregcnc> dang
[10:45:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: plastics isnt neccessarily bad of a CNC machine
[10:45:44] <Loetmichel> if its PA6-rg30 for example
[10:45:48] <Loetmichel> or FR4
[10:45:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: When it's 80% plastic and STARTING price is $2000
[10:45:53] <gregcnc> customers also viewed: "the divorce handbook"
[10:46:00] <Loetmichel> or carbon fibre reinforced epoxy
[10:46:02] <Loetmichel> or similar
[10:46:14] <Jymmm> gregcnc: lol, I saw that too. It used to be body bags (seriously)
[10:46:22] <gregcnc> lol
[10:46:42] <gregcnc> that one is made of recycled milk jugs?
[10:47:32] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: hospital trip?
[10:47:59] <Loetmichel> that wasnt for the briken riveter... that was a deburring tool that slipped and hit my palm ;)
[10:48:10] <gregcnc> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16194
[10:48:36] <Loetmichel> <- is the only one to blame for 100% of his work related injuries... its carelessness or stupidity EVERY time
[10:48:38] <gregcnc> oh right because they don't supply safe method for deburring either
[10:49:18] <gregcnc> as much as we hear about your workplace I feel sorry for you workking there
[10:49:33] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Amazon had a suggestion "Get Mom what she's always wanted on Mother's day..." <insert 'Divorce for dummies' book here>
[10:49:37] <Loetmichel> there is no method that cant be made "unsafe" by ignoring enough safety rules
[10:50:27] * Jymmm wonders how often Loetmichel says "Here, hold my beer..." ?
[10:51:04] <Jymmm> gregcnc: bte, read the questons and reviews for the lube.
[10:51:06] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: actually: not in the last 15 years. didnt drink that much lately.
[10:51:27] <Loetmichel> but the intent behind the quote is clearly fitting my attitude sometimes ;)
[10:51:28] <gregcnc> yeah, there's the hair remover reviews too
[10:51:47] <Jymmm> gregcnc: the lube questions are funny as hell
[10:55:00] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Well, they were... "Is it kosher?" "No, it's for porking!"
[10:55:15] <Loetmichel> hmm...55 gallons of k-jelly? thats more than a lifetime supply even for a sex maniac
[10:55:32] <Erant> Loetmichel: Oh sweet summer child.
[10:55:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If so, then you're not doing it right =)
[10:55:43] <MacGalempsy> time to fill the kiddy pool
[10:56:11] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: not enough room for 20
[10:56:24] <Jymmm> 12 yes, but not 20
[10:56:43] <Loetmichel> does that stuff have a "best before date"?
[10:56:51] <MacGalempsy> whats the ky to water ratio,
[10:56:54] <Loetmichel> just curiosity tho ;)
[10:57:21] <MacGalempsy> just a little water aand that stuffs a mess
[10:57:26] <Loetmichel> soo, already half an hour overtime... going home ;)
[11:00:59] <MacGalempsy> has anyone made a diy casting furnace?
[11:01:21] <MacGalempsy> looking for tips on the burner design
[11:06:10] <gregcnc> So Elon thinks someone shot his rocket?
[11:08:09] <MacGalempsy> really?
[11:10:01] <FinboySlick> Don't speak of Elon shooting his rocket when the previous topic was a 55gal drum of lube.
[11:10:09] <FinboySlick> Bad imagery.
[11:12:26] <MacGalempsy> wow. a "Laser"
[11:18:26] <Erant> gregcnc: I actually think he said "unlikely"
[11:22:38] <Erant> A shot from a mile away would have to be a sizeable caliber to still have the energy to puncture the tank though. Like, .50 BMG
[11:30:36] <Erant> MacGalempsy: I recommend watching Brian Oltrogge's videos on YouTube for the furnace btw
[11:31:00] <Erant> He made one out of a keg, with a burner to match.
[11:31:31] <Erant> (In general, I enjoy his videos)
[11:37:02] <Loetmichel> Erant: .50bmg isnt THAT unusual in the .us , isnt it?
[11:37:14] <Loetmichel> you can have sniper rifles legally in some states?
[11:37:29] <jdh> most all trump supporters have at least ine.
[11:37:40] <gregcnc> nine?
[11:37:57] <jdh> one.
[11:38:02] <Loetmichel> most all?
[11:38:04] <Loetmichel> whats that?
[11:38:24] <gregcnc> Oh one otherwise I may be scared of them
[11:39:28] <jdh> it's ok, they can't afford ammo
[11:43:11] <MacGalempsy> Erant: is that the 4 part keg furnace series?
[11:44:33] <MacGalempsy> got a spreadsheet for the refractory cmnt. 2 furnaces worth come to $53.47 at lowes
[11:52:29] <Erant> MacGalempsy: Yeah.
[11:53:11] <Erant> Loetmichel: I think .50BMG is illegal in at least CA, not sure about other places.
[11:54:30] <Jymmm> Erant: everything is illegal in california. I had to get MEK form Neveada last month (seriously)
[11:58:48] <Jymmm> BOTH ground and neutral to the empty screw terminal?
http://imgur.com/a/XNVlR
[11:59:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ^^^
[12:00:33] * Jymmm goes and closes up the LIVE service pole, brb.
[12:02:07] <Erant> Jymmm: The new laws are going to be a bitch.
[12:02:23] <Erant> I'm trying to make all the lower receivers I want before 2017.
[12:02:46] <Erant> Which is a 10/22, a P22, and possibly an AR if I have time.
[12:02:50] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: maaan, your american "code" wiring looks frightening to a german EE ;)
[12:03:06] <Erant> Loetmichel: The colors are all wrong here. :/
[12:03:17] <miss0r> goodevening
[12:03:18] <Erant> It messes me up, I still have to check which is live, which is neutral.
[12:03:35] <Erant> (I'm Dutch, living in the US, so I feel your pain)
[12:03:37] <Loetmichel> in germany the service entrance including the meter is usually in the cellar.
[12:03:40] <MacGalempsy> 50bmg illegal, so they inventer the .416
[12:03:41] <Loetmichel> INSIDE the house
[12:03:56] <jdh> what does making your own do for you vs. buying from an individual?
[12:04:14] <Erant> jdh: I get the satisfaction of building one.
[12:04:19] <MacGalempsy> at like $10 a shot, you better sight it in quick
[12:04:19] <Erant> It's not about the gun for me
[12:04:21] <miss0r> Loetmichel: why is that bad? I have my meter inside the house aswell (In Denmark)
[12:04:38] <jdh> oh.
[12:04:41] <Loetmichel> the meter outside means there is wiring out in the open.
[12:04:52] <jdh> that works I guess.
[12:04:57] <Loetmichel> prone to aqure humidity, spiders and other things...
[12:05:10] <Loetmichel> +i
[12:05:13] <MacGalempsy> jdh: no neex to register in most states if you make it yourself
[12:05:18] <jdh> vs a $35 anderson blem lower
[12:05:25] <MacGalempsy> just cannot sell or transfer
[12:05:26] <miss0r> Loetmichel: the house is also prone to the same stuff if it is improberly build. same goes for the meter
[12:05:51] <jdh> no need to register when buying eithef
[12:06:02] <Loetmichel> miss0r: ok, if you count in the usual american plywood houses...
[12:06:25] <gregcnc> you just need to buy from the right person?
[12:06:32] <Loetmichel> here we build our cellars out of concrete or at least double "burned" bricks
[12:06:38] <miss0r> Loetmichel: No offense intented, but: it takes no genious to see why so many houses are leveled when a hurricane comes through
[12:06:42] <Erant> jdh: It's certainly not much cheaper to build it (at least not the first one. The second one IS significantly cheaper)
[12:06:54] <Loetmichel> miss0r: exactly ;)
[12:07:04] <MacGalempsy> zinc plate vs stainless for the refractory support bolts, will zinc produce toxic fumes?
[12:07:23] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: only the first time
[12:07:25] <Loetmichel> ;)
[12:07:32] <miss0r> my cellar is made of concrete, "cast on the spot", and the ground level is made of "gas concrete".. you know the porrous stuff.
[12:07:37] <MacGalempsy> heh.
[12:07:48] <jdh> I could buy one from a dealer in 10mins. 2mins from an individual
[12:07:52] <Erant> MacGalempsy: Euh. I mean, it's not a lot of zinc... but if you can go stainless, why risk it?
[12:08:05] <Erant> jdh: In CA? 10 days.
[12:08:25] <gregcnc> 10 days for a rifle?
[12:08:32] <Erant> Any gun.
[12:08:32] <jdh> I meant in the US, not cali
[12:08:35] <miss0r> Loetmichel: also, I have a somewhat special relationship with my installations. I'm an "industrial electrician".. I do PLC installations and larger industrial controllers'n stuff. I build my home ot the same standard. heh
[12:08:58] <MacGalempsy> in Oklahoma ive bought from a trunk in a parking loy
[12:09:03] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i am licensed for anything up to 1000V
[12:09:07] <miss0r> Basically i'll have to live here till I die, as noone will be able to make sense of it when i'm gone
[12:09:18] <Loetmichel> including heavy machinery wiring and PLC stuff
[12:09:38] <Loetmichel> and i once rewired the flat of my cousin...
[12:09:41] <miss0r> sounds like we are on the same plage ;)
[12:09:46] <MacGalempsy> miss0r: lol
[12:09:48] <miss0r> page*
[12:10:15] <Loetmichel> ... the utility guy came, looked... "that wasnt an electrican, was it? .... Its to tidy in that fuse box"...
[12:10:16] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:10:51] <miss0r> example: the lighting in my kitchen. even thou theres only 3 rows of 3 LEDs in the seeling, I have then turned on one row at a time(like the larger industrial hangars in movies - just without the ridiculous banging noise... the wife wouldn't allow that part...)
[12:11:09] <miss0r> That is controlled my an allen bradley microLogix 1100, if I remember correctly
[12:11:52] <Loetmichel> miss0r: oh, that banging noise is perfectly realistic.
[12:12:08] <miss0r> yeah, if I had natrium lighting, I don't :)
[12:12:30] <Loetmichel> i once did the lighting for a 2000m^2 8 meters high car glass factory...
[12:13:23] <Loetmichel> IIRC it was 12 bands of 30 double 68W flourescents... industrial strenght glass tubes.
[12:13:58] <Loetmichel> i sequenced the bands as well as having "1/2" and "1/3" buttons...
[12:14:19] <Loetmichel> and the contactors were heard thru the whole building sequencing in the lights ;)
[12:14:46] <miss0r> hehe :) I get that
[12:15:57] <Loetmichel> you also heard the compensation capacitance contactors in the Transformer room going crazy when the lights sequenced in ;)
[12:16:24] <miss0r> its been known to happen :)
[12:17:26] <Loetmichel> seemed i unintentionally matched my sequencing with the time constant of the compenstion circuit ;)
[12:19:10] <miss0r> But surely it was not the same installation?
[12:19:21] <Loetmichel> the transformer in that factory had only 1MW, son noting tooo big... ;)
[12:21:02] <miss0r> I finally found a picture on this pc of something i've build. This is a smaller unit for a plastic casting machine:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7UUFRTGFranFpUjQ
[12:21:17] <Loetmichel> The factory had its own 10kV->400V three phase Transformer inside the building. so the inductance compensations circuit was within earshot of the light switch
[12:22:09] <miss0r> I'm glad I don't do lighting anymore.
[12:22:09] <Loetmichel> nice stuff
[12:22:48] <miss0r> Thank you
[12:22:49] <Loetmichel> i did more of the "power circuit stuff" back then
[12:23:02] <FinboySlick> Since it's that time of the year where it gets colder and flies eventually work their way into old houses season, I've been pondering a simple pcb board with a large grid pattern that would zap any pesky bugger touching it. I'd like to avoid creating ozone the way typical bug lamps do though. As such, would it be feasible to detect the resistance change and only apply high voltage once a fly makes contact?
[12:23:07] <Loetmichel> you know: with 50mm wide 20mm thick copper rails and stuff ;)
[12:23:12] <miss0r> indeed. I still do a little of that, to help out a coworker from time to time, but I realy rather not :)
[12:23:13] <Loetmichel> and NH1 fuses ;)
[12:24:03] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: would be too slow
[12:24:23] <Loetmichel> ideally you dont have a solid surface. the flies will not land there intentionally
[12:24:31] <miss0r> FinboySlick: that is one option. You could also go low-tech. Get a bowl of milk/cream, and add some poison. that'll cure what ails'ya
[12:25:02] <Loetmichel> the best bug zappers work by having a high voltage across wires that are JUUUUST that far apart that no arcing happens
[12:25:21] <miss0r> so little/no ozon is created
[12:25:25] <Loetmichel> and once a fly tries to cross the wires it "closes the 'air' circuit"
[12:25:39] <Loetmichel> by lowering the distance needed for arcing to occur
[12:26:23] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I got the basic concept, I thought it produced ozone even when not arcing though.
[12:26:53] <Loetmichel> it does, but only when you have some sharp edges
[12:27:17] <FinboySlick> Sharp edges? Why is that?
[12:27:26] <Loetmichel> try to make every "corner" that is live as round as possible and you should generate VERY little ozone
[12:27:45] <Loetmichel> google corona discharge
[12:28:03] <archivist> use normal round wire mesh
[12:28:24] <Jymmm> Erant: Which one? The no longer allowed to inherit a firearm without going thru an FFL come Jan 1??
[12:29:58] <miss0r> Do any of you guys know how to choose the correct blade for a cold saw with a round blade? (something about different tooth count for different material thickness)
[12:29:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's suppose to be blk, red, wht, grn. But I had had craploads of 12ga purple and got blur for 8¢/ft
[12:30:13] <Jymmm> blue*
[12:30:20] <jdh> if you inherit a handgun here, you have to obtain a pistol purchase permit and give it to yourself
[12:30:36] <Jymmm> jdh: Florida?
[12:30:44] <jdh> .nc.us
[12:30:51] <Jymmm> ah
[12:31:38] <archivist> miss0r, depends on number of teeth in contact or special blade that has depth of cut modifier built in
[12:31:53] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: But, as I understand it, as long as I mark (within one inch( with the proper color, it's legal to do so.
[12:32:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i have no idea how it is in .us
[12:33:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I understand, nether do I. CaptHindsight had been (spoon) feeding me, and I'm trying to keep to code as much as possible.
[12:33:48] <Loetmichel> in germany you can have ANY colour fo any wire. EXEPT ground (PE)... that HAS to be green/yellow.
[12:33:55] <miss0r> archivist: Yeah, so i'm told. But i'm considering buying a bandsaw and be done with all this. but I was thinking I might give the'ol coldwas one last go. its a Thomas 350 super technics - a realy good saw. but if I have to change blades for what ever I use it for, its no good for me
[12:34:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: (PE) ???
[12:34:17] <miss0r> Loetmichel: same in denmark - its a european standard iirc
[12:34:26] <miss0r> Protective Earth
[12:34:29] <Loetmichel> and ANY gn/ge wire has to be protection earth. without exeption
[12:34:30] <Jymmm> ah
[12:35:03] <Erant> Jymmm: There's going to be new rules around 80%'s as well.
[12:36:09] <miss0r> Loetmichel: are you still in the electrical buisness? They are going to standardize almost all of the rules across europe collectively. our electrical regulations will be reduced from ~400 pages to 14, the rest is EU std.
[12:36:13] <nubcake_> Loetmichel: Blue isn't reserved for N ?
[12:36:29] <nubcake_> (when it comes to 230/400V AC i mean)
[12:36:49] <Loetmichel> ok, one exeption: the gn/ye wire can be combined Neutral/ground in TNC power nets
[12:37:07] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i downsized to Computers
[12:37:09] <miss0r> nubcake_: not as a regulation, no. but in most cases it is good practice
[12:37:24] <miss0r> Loetmichel: Funny, I was thinking of doing the same thing :)
[12:37:24] <Loetmichel> only doing 230V++ for friends now
[12:37:42] <nubcake_> brb dinner's ready :)
[12:38:45] <Loetmichel> nubcake_: blue is USUALLY N. but not always. it can be used for 3rd phase or switched power. it is no law to have neutral blue or blue always being neutral
[12:40:27] <Loetmichel> in short: you can use pretty much any colour here for any sort of current/voltage. Unless its green/yellow. thats forbidden to use for anything but Protection ground/earth
[12:43:39] <Jymmm> Erant: New law...
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-end-of-life-bill-20151005-story.html
[12:43:59] <Jymmm> Erant: That law just kills me ;)
[12:44:16] <Crom> always liked working with 177 volt lights.. lots of purple
[12:47:18] <Jymmm> Erant: Um, K-12??? "Schools must provide places for students to breast feed or pump breast milk."
[12:48:18] <miss0r> I once got called out to a strange error in a "swimming hall?" the lighting was all strange :) Turnes out the Neutral wire was burned out, so three phase 400volt, no neutral. Happily the installation was so well balanced nothing got damaged. :)
[12:49:18] <miss0r> swimming hall= public indoor swimming pool, apparently
[12:49:54] <Jymmm> Cause a pool in a hallway, sorta sound like something Id see in an Indian Jones or Saw movie =)
[12:50:19] <miss0r> yeah.. Sometimes translations are a hurdle for me
[12:51:14] <Jymmm> miss0r: Sometimes, it's literal...
http://i.imgur.com/K77CfC2.jpg
[12:51:26] <miss0r> woah :)
[12:51:58] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:52:06] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: are you on ?
[12:52:14] <Jymmm> miss0r: Or, you get a call to look at the ceiling pool...
http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pool10.jpg
[12:52:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: RUN!!! (he' here)
[12:52:51] <SpeedEvil> The biggest cost of the ceiling pool is employing the decorations.
[12:52:54] <Erant> Jymmm: I haven't actually read them all yet. I'm afraid to ;P
[12:53:16] <enleth> Loetmichel: there's no law but you're still a damn asshole if you don't at least try to use the "proper" colors
[12:53:45] <Jymmm> Erant: ditto. Well, not afraid, just get pissed off for hours/days and go on a rant. So it's best I just don't know.
[12:53:50] <Erant> ;)
[12:54:07] <Erant> I don't have a _huge_ issue with the ammo one, but some of the other ones...
[12:54:18] <Jymmm> Erant: WHAT ammo one?
[12:54:40] <Erant> Ah. The one where you have to get a 'background check' to buy ammo?
[12:54:51] <Jymmm> Erant: THAT PASSED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[12:54:58] <Erant> Oh, no, it hasn't been voted on yet
[12:55:11] <Erant> ... I think...
[12:55:18] <Jymmm> oh fuck me, you asshole. you scared the shit out of me
[12:55:21] <Erant> It's a prop. Like, 62 or 63.
[12:55:28] <Erant> Sorry man. ;)
[12:55:33] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: lets meet etch othere at the fair of sorotec saturday 16:00
[12:56:03] <Erant> Jymmm: Though you know that's going to have a decent shot. :/
[12:57:07] <Jymmm> Erant: They have been trying to regulates the purchase of ammo for 5+ years in California.
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_63,_Background_Checks_for_Ammunition_Purchases_and_Large-Capacity_Ammunition_Magazine_Ban_%282016%29
[12:57:07] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/1741/ ++
[12:57:46] <Jymmm> Erant: It was just need ID and limited to x amount per month. Now a background check?! WTF
[12:58:23] <SpeedEvil> Background check is important for ammo. Don't only look at the target.
[12:58:48] <Crom> true...
[12:59:05] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ?
[12:59:33] <Crom> Jymmm, when shooting... make sure if you miss the bullets hits somewhere safe
[12:59:59] <Crom> as well as they go through a target... Where are they going to hit?
[13:00:16] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: oh, smartass =)
[13:00:19] <Erant> Hopefully somewhere you can collect them.
[13:00:24] <Erant> Shit's expensive.
[13:00:34] <Jymmm> Erant: damn skippy
[13:02:37] <Crom> at least the brass...
[13:02:49] <Erant> 's what I meant
[13:03:49] <nubcake_> Loetmichel: i'm not sure about it, but isn't blue (in a NYM-J 3x or 5x) forbidden to be used as a conductor for L1, L2 or L3 ? e.g. you have to use NYM-J with at least 4x to connect a switch/push-button as you would have to use blue in a 3x NYM-J-cable
[13:04:37] <nubcake_> i'm not sure about that, just wondering as we never did/do use the blue wire for any phase
[13:05:09] <DaViruz> in sweden you can use blue for anything, but you can't use anything but blue for neutral
[13:05:25] <nubcake_> makes sense
[13:05:40] <nubcake_> gn-ye is probably same as over here in germany i guess?
[13:05:46] <DaViruz> yeah
[13:05:52] <nubcake_> not allowed to use for anything else than PE/FE
[13:05:58] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/kbylT
[13:06:16] <SpeedEvil> Cat laser tower
[13:06:21] <nubcake_> neat
[13:06:40] <nubcake_> my cat would go crazy with that laser :'D
[13:06:56] <miss0r> i'm off. have a good one
[13:07:18] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I should make one of those for my lasee
[13:07:48] <nubcake_> SpeedEvil: you gonna make another one and sell it? :D
[13:08:01] <SpeedEvil> Adding vision, and a keep-away would be awesome.
[13:08:03] <nubcake_> by any chance ?
[13:08:03] <IchGucksLive> hi nubcake_
[13:08:08] <IchGucksLive> wie gehts
[13:08:09] <SpeedEvil> I don't have a cat, and that's not mine
[13:08:13] <IchGucksLive> was macht die drehzahl
[13:08:16] <nubcake_> hey IchGucksLive, danke gut und dir? ^^
[13:08:24] <IchGucksLive> zu viel arbeit
[13:08:35] <IchGucksLive> sql und kkein ende
[13:08:41] <nubcake_> leider noch nix, waren am wochenende in nem Musical, Gestern arbeiten und heute wollte Frauchen mit mir auf shopping tour :(
[13:08:48] <nubcake_> morgen ist wieder cnc-zeit :D
[13:08:53] <nubcake_> sql is doch cool ^^
[13:10:04] <Deejay> ah, the krauts
[13:10:09] <nubcake_> as usual :D
[13:12:21] <DaViruz> grr, why are some pyvcp widgets centered and some left adjusted
[13:12:23] <CaptHindsight> is this the 50's? :)
[13:12:30] <DaViruz> it makes it look messy
[13:12:39] <DaViruz> some method for choosing would be nice
[13:28:40] <Loetmichel> nubcake_: it isnt
[13:29:20] <Loetmichel> you can use blue as neutral or phase.
[13:29:40] <Loetmichel> its only "preferred" to use it as neutral
[13:30:01] <Loetmichel> there are 4 wire cables with black, brown blue, grenn/yellow
[13:30:25] <Loetmichel> for three phase TNC-supplies
[13:44:52] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:47:56] <yasnak> yay, another hurricane on a weekend. need to find a bar to get stuck at
[14:48:54] <Deejay> lol
[14:50:43] <MacGalempsy> yasnak: that was our plan while living in OKC during tornado season. underground parking at the local club that was under a building
[14:51:05] <MacGalempsy> put the dogs in the car and drink til its over
[14:59:59] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: So, building body squisher... got it =)
[15:00:01] <FinboySlick> Nooooo :( I missed it:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/322269216051?ul_noapp=true
[15:00:38] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Hey, I won that auction
[15:00:48] <FinboySlick> Seriously?
[15:00:50] <Jymmm> (sorry)
[15:00:57] <MacGalempsy_> lol
[15:01:04] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Nah, just fucking with ya ;)
[15:01:27] <FinboySlick> Damn, I'd have asked to at least borrow it ;)
[15:01:51] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I thought archivist had one (or 3)
[15:02:46] <Jymmm> Do I connect ground and neutral to the empty screw terminal (just trying to confirm)?
http://imgur.com/a/XNVlR
[15:02:57] <FinboySlick> Yeah, but he's in Marypoppinskreigen
[15:03:38] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Well, maybe he IS MaryPopins, if so, couldn't he just use his umbrella to fly to you?
[15:04:04] <FinboySlick> It's rather comforting to think of archivist as the 'measurement fairy'.
[15:04:14] <Jymmm> haha
[15:05:06] <MacGalempsy_> two designs here, feedback welcome -
https://flic.kr/p/MK53RY
[15:05:17] <FinboySlick> That'd be an excellent name for a youtube channel too, archivist. You'll make millions.
[15:05:40] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: They suck!
[15:05:51] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Should I click on the link now?
[15:05:58] <MacGalempsy_> thank you :) any positive feedback?
[15:06:22] <FinboySlick> Come on, you didn't need autodesk fusion for this. You just needed 'paint' with the ellipse tool.
[15:06:52] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: ho is the hole on the bottom instead of the side?
[15:06:56] <Jymmm> why*
[15:07:15] <FinboySlick> I thought you turned ghetto for a moment there, Jymmm.
[15:07:16] <MacGalempsy_> the bottom is a drain. I dont have a side port yet
[15:07:47] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: GhettoFablous!!!
[15:08:05] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: GIT ER DONE!!!
[15:08:10] <MacGalempsy_> the idea of the three piece is the port will be on the base, so if a big crucible is used, the middle can be lifted off
[15:08:58] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: will the "middle" be attached/clamped/anchroed to the bottom 'just in case' ?
[15:09:27] <FinboySlick> MacGalempsy: I think the typical burner input is tangential to the inner cavity, sort of like the outlet of an impeller pump.
[15:09:40] <JT-Shop> most of the guys I talked to don't bother with a drain because it clogs up anyway
[15:09:40] <MacGalempsy__> the base will have a lip
[15:09:58] <MacGalempsy__> so the middle rests over the lip
[15:10:08] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/
[15:10:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: If you know... Do I connect ground and neutral to the empty screw terminal (just trying to confirm)?
http://imgur.com/a/XNVlR
[15:10:36] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/Burner%20Test%2003.jpg
[15:10:51] <JT-Shop> maybe I just full of crap today and suffer from CRS
[15:11:00] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Who's going to eat this much soup just to get a furnace? That's crazy.
[15:11:09] <JT-Shop> popcorn tin
[15:11:34] <MacGalempsy__> JT-Shop: did you use any forced air?
[15:11:52] <JT-Shop> as in a fan no
[15:12:06] <JT-Shop> just experimented with the burner till it was right
[15:12:32] <FinboySlick> I'm still sad about the autocollimator, I expected it to go for a thousand bucks :P Had I known...
[15:12:41] <MacGalempsy__> my buddy and I have been dancing around the idea of air induction to try and get that 26:1 o2 to propane ratio
[15:12:59] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: not sure what you're asking
[15:14:16] * JT-Shop wanders back to the VMC to make a part for the HGM
[15:14:21] <MacGalempsy__> with the 3 piece design, it would be able to handle a A20 crucible, with the 2 piece it should be able to do A12 maybe A16
[15:14:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'm running a new 220V circuit into this 30year old service pole. and I'm just not sure where to connect ground and neutral
[15:15:23] <nubcake_> Jyymm: what country and what does the feed-in look like?
[15:15:39] <Jymmm> nubcake_: US
http://imgur.com/a/XNVlR
[15:16:15] <nubcake_> oh wow
[15:16:24] <nubcake_> 2 phase?
[15:16:34] <Jymmm> 1ph
[15:16:55] <nubcake_> i thought u.s. was 110v ?
[15:17:09] <nubcake_> is*
[15:17:10] <Jymmm> it is, 220+ neutral = 110 =)
[15:17:15] <nubcake_> oh lol my bad
[15:17:20] <Jymmm> well, half of 220 that is =)
[15:17:38] <MacGalempsy__> I think 110V is considered 1/2 phase by some
[15:17:47] <gregcnc> some would be wrong
[15:17:57] <Jymmm> gregcnc: lol
[15:18:19] <nubcake_> never seen feed-in like that to be honest
[15:18:26] <Jymmm> The pole is fed from the cables coming in from the bottom
[15:18:40] <gregcnc> it's called split phase
[15:19:14] <djdelorie> two-phase is what steppers use :-)
[15:19:38] <gregcnc> 2 phase is 90° out of phase
[15:19:52] <nubcake_> pretty much what i was thinking
[15:20:04] <Jymmm> So, nobody has any thought on GND and NEUTRAL connections to this pole?
[15:20:04] <djdelorie> right, which is what steppers use. Tesla proposed it for line AC but three-phase uses fewer conductors so it won out.
[15:20:42] <djdelorie> I have one-phase coming up my driveway (one live conductor, plus ground) and my own transformer that splits it.
[15:20:48] <gregcnc> Jymmm i think that is fine really there is no alternative. Where do ground and nuetral connect in your exisitng panel?
[15:21:13] <MacGalempsy__> JT-Shop: is that coupler you used made of aluminum or steel?
[15:21:53] <Jymmm> gregcnc: In that photo, earth ground is connected dead smack in the middle - te rusty hex hed screw
[15:22:18] <Jymmm> gregcnc: and it looks like neutral is to the left of it
[15:22:23] <gregcnc> they are really the same it's the return paths in case of shorting to ground somewhere that defines them and sets the rules
[15:23:33] <gregcnc> ground being conduit in the above
[15:24:32] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Ok, the pic with the purple and pink.... the purple wires are the new circuit. the 4/0 (?) is the service to the house.
[15:24:53] <Jymmm> ...the bare copper is earth ground.
[15:24:56] <JT-Shop> coupler?
[15:25:25] <JT-Shop> the part the nozzle is screwed into?
[15:25:35] <Tom_L> JT-Shop how's the printer working?
[15:26:31] <JT-Shop> seems to be ok, just adjusting a few things and learning how it all works
[15:26:57] <Tom_L> just waiting so i can send you reams of prints :D
[15:27:02] <JT-Shop> some things need fixing like the Z axis limit switch holder
[15:27:07] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:27:43] <MacGalempsy__> yes, part the nozzle is screwed into
[15:27:45] <Tom_L> using abs?
[15:27:50] <Tom_L> or still pla
[15:28:17] <JT-Shop> I ordered some pla and a bit of chinlee pla came with the kit
[15:28:29] <JT-Shop> still need to sort out a payoff for the spools
[15:28:38] <nubcake_> which printer did you get?
[15:29:25] <JT-Shop> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Full-Metal-Frame-3D-Printer-Professional-3d-Color-Printer-with-8GB-SD-Card-LCD-One-Roll/32705186296.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.IPnqJL
[15:29:43] <nubcake_> sweet
[15:30:01] <Tom_L> if i had any spare change right now i'd get one
[15:30:04] <nubcake_> linear bearings and rods are ok?
[15:30:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you got one the glue gun band wagon huh?
[15:30:28] <nubcake_> mine had pretty bad ones i had to replace
[15:30:30] <Jymmm> s/one/on/
[15:30:35] <gregcnc> jymmm the breaker the only one for the new circuit or is there a panel?
[15:31:10] <Jymmm> gregcnc: the new (not installed) breaker will plug into the buss bars at the top, towards the right side.
[15:31:35] <gregcnc> but is there another panel or just outlets?
[15:32:00] <Jymmm> gregcnc: no other panel
[15:32:36] <Jymmm> gregcnc: I'm terminating the other end of the new circuit to a NEMA L14-30
[15:32:43] <gregcnc> http://ecmweb.com/site-files/ecmweb.com/files/archive/ecmweb.com/mag/505ecm17fig3.jpg
[15:33:29] <gregcnc> so you have both eu and gnd at the service, just don't tied them anywhere else in that circuit
[15:33:32] <MacGalempsy__> JT-Shop: yes, the part that hooks to the nozzle. al or fe?
[15:33:43] <gregcnc> http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/sub-panel-grounding-13219/
[15:35:33] <Jymmm> gregcnc: This is the other end
http://www.generatorsforhomeuse.us/wp-content/uploads/l14-30r.png
[15:36:52] <Jymmm> gregcnc: and I have a cord that breaks out to 4 110V outlets
[15:37:54] <gregcnc> cord a gang box on the end?
[15:39:15] <JT-Shop> alum
[15:39:25] <JT-Shop> not hot back there
[15:39:58] <MacGalempsy> thank you
[15:41:39] <Jymmm> gregcnc: This the exact cord I have...
http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Briggs-&-Stratton-1651/p876.html
[15:42:53] <Jymmm> gregcnc: It breaks out 2 of the 110v outlets to one half of 220, and the other two 110v outlets, to the other half of 220.
[15:43:37] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: can you open a solidworks file?
[15:43:56] <JT-Shop> or should I ask if your interested in the burner tube 3d cad?
[15:43:57] <gregcnc> OK. it is made for that purpose.
[15:44:25] <Jymmm> gregcnc: =) Yeah, even has a black strip on two of the pigtails
[15:44:32] <Jymmm> stripe*
[15:45:10] <MacGalempsy> i think so.
[15:45:32] <MacGalempsy> i think fusion can do that
[15:46:22] <MacGalempsy_> one of the forums mentioned that without air induction, the furnace would have a hard time getting over 1900F
[15:48:00] <Jymmm> gregcnc: In the service pole, I did see that GND and NEUTRAL were bonded, but this being *SO* old I wasn't sure if it was an issue, I missed something, or whatever =) So, no, no other bonding will be done past that point
[15:48:38] <JT-Shop> if not I can save as something you can open
[15:48:48] <JT-Shop> I can upload them in the morning during free time
[15:49:57] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: dont go through the trouble. we are working through the design phase, so that we can add a squirrel cage blower to the burner
[15:50:39] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy_: Those poor squirrels... YOU BASTARD!!!!
[15:51:00] <MacGalempsy_> we have so many squirrels, dont feel bad
[15:51:36] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy_: Around here, they just come and knock on the door.
[15:51:41] <MacGalempsy_> it will get so hot that even satan will need ice
[15:51:59] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy_: (I'm not kidding)
[15:52:38] <MacGalempsy_> need to invite BeachBumPete over with his air rifle to take some out
[15:53:00] <MacGalempsy_> here, they sit in the tree and throw nuts at the dogs
[15:53:04] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy_: Nah, we like the squireels, they're enteraining.
[15:53:30] <Jymmm> The wild peacocks came by this morning
[15:53:30] <MacGalempsy_> as long as they dont get up in the car and eat the wiring, they are safe around here
[15:53:43] <MacGalempsy_> wild?
[15:54:02] <Jymmm> Yeah, they free roam
[15:54:24] <Jymmm> but, they are LOUD =)
[16:05:47] <MacGalempsy_> louder than guines hens?
[16:19:44] <Nick-Shop> what did halcmd get changed to?
[16:21:11] <JT-Shop> nothing, it's still halcmd
[16:21:11] <cradek> ?
[16:21:19] <JT-Shop> you might be looking for halrun
[16:22:16] <Nick-Shop> I have an old custom m file to open the collet and it goes to error in wheezy
[16:22:47] <JT-Shop> ah more information is good, what is the error?
[16:24:32] <Nick-Shop> unknown m code used. do I need to have the file elsewhere besides ncfiles?
[16:25:09] <JT-Shop> the file needs to be able to run, check the permissions of the file
[16:25:31] <JT-Shop> I like to keep them in /linuxcnc/subroutines
[16:26:18] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_rs274ngc_section
[16:26:35] <JT-Shop> keeps the nc_files directory cleaner
[16:26:58] <JT-Shop> and I'm less likely to delete it by mistooke
[16:27:54] <Nick-Shop> are these good commands?
[16:27:56] <Nick-Shop> halcmd setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.043.out False
[16:27:57] <Nick-Shop> halcmd setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.042.out True
[16:29:26] <JT-Shop> if the pins exist they are
[16:36:51] <Nick-Shop> are these anygood?
[16:36:52] <Nick-Shop> net collet-open => hm2_5i23.0.gpio.042.out
[16:36:54] <Nick-Shop> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.040.is_output 1
[16:36:55] <Nick-Shop> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.040.invert_output 1
[16:36:57] <Nick-Shop> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.041.is_output 1
[16:36:58] <Nick-Shop> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.041.invert_output 1
[16:37:16] <JT-Shop> they all look ok to me
[16:37:40] <Nick-Shop> what does output 1 do and work?
[16:39:05] <JT-Shop> 1 = True, 0 = False
[16:39:30] <JT-Shop> setting is_output true turns a gpio pin from an input to an output
[16:39:49] <JT-Shop> invert does what it says inverts how the output works
[16:40:19] <Crom_> wooo hooo... my VA claim projected closing went from 1.7.17 to 4.4.17 got rolled back to 11.06.16 to 12.13.16
[16:41:52] <JT-Shop> nice
[16:43:18] <Crom_> I just might have some money for Yule
[16:43:37] <Crom_> Come on Sinterklaus!
[16:43:58] <Crom_> I really need to loose Black Pete on the VA
[16:44:14] <Crom_> Yo Mac!
[16:47:06] <Nick-Shop> JT - if that pin is already an output - - do I need those calls?
[16:47:35] <Deejay> gn8
[16:50:59] <JT-Shop> no
[16:51:23] <JT-Shop> if they are set in a hal file you don't need to repeat them in a m1xx
[16:55:31] <Nick-Shop> and I can actually change an extra input to an output this way?
[16:58:21] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:58:32] <JT-Shop> a gpio you can
[17:01:44] <Nick-Shop> still getting unknown mcode after setting up subroutine dir and restarting
[17:02:44] <CNCdrew> I am looking at an XML config file from mach3
[17:02:54] <CNCdrew> does it show a microstepping setting?
[17:03:13] <Crom_> Just ordered some hall effect sensors for my Arduino Nano speed control
[17:12:52] <JT-Shop> Nick-Shop: is the file executable?
[17:14:20] <Nick-Shop> I copied it from the first Hardinge - how do I make it executable?
[17:14:55] <JT-Shop> right click and select properties
[17:15:03] <JT-Shop> in the file manager
[17:15:56] <Nick-Shop> change it to read & write?
[17:19:24] <Nick-Shop> changed it and still goes to error
[17:21:10] <JT-Shop> you have to restart linuxcnc
[17:21:46] <JT-Shop> check off allow executing file as a program in the permissions tab
[17:23:46] <Nick-Shop> did that - do I need to restart computer? is there an extension I need on the file name even checked to run as a program
[17:25:25] <kyle____> hi
[17:26:02] <kyle____> are there any cnc machines on the market that use absolute positioning sensors to correct for imprecision in their axis construction?
[17:26:31] <Nick-Shop> top 3 boxes read & write also
[17:26:54] <kyle____> not optical encoders on the shafts but sensing the actual position of the cutting head
[17:27:25] <JT-Shop> just need to restart linuxcnc
[17:28:37] <yasnak> MacGalempsy haha yeah too bad we lack basements.
[17:28:54] <Crom_> kyle____, there is a couple using the DRO slides to send feedback to the controller
[17:29:22] <yasnak> I miss basements, but at least our shop down here is pretty beefy. even propane generator for the servers
[17:30:44] <Nick-Shop> Just restarted linuxcnc and same error in MDI - even used capital M to match the filename. M102
[17:30:48] <Crom_> I so want a basement..
[17:30:49] <MacGalempsy__> yasnak: where are you?
[17:31:45] <yasnak> In Sarasota now but we have a facility West Palm Beach
[17:32:02] <Crom_> ahhh the state of Floridians
[17:32:06] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m100-m199
[17:32:16] <yasnak> Originally from Wisconsin, I'm not a Floridian ;)
[17:32:18] <MacGalempsy__> are you all hunkered down for the storm?
[17:32:23] <Crom_> <- is in the people Republik of Kalifornication
[17:32:44] <yasnak> I haven't even thought about it. Those guys are deciding what to do right now
[17:33:01] <yasnak> Not to worried about wind, its always the rain and the storm surge over there for them
[17:33:29] <Crom_> Born kafilornian... not bred... Pops is from Nebraska, Mumsies is from Balum district of London, UK
[17:33:45] <yasnak> lol
[17:34:26] <MacGalempsy__> I was born there too, just had to get out of there after using it for a cheaper than average education
[17:35:12] <MacGalempsy__> in CA a year was like $3200, in AR its $17000
[17:35:22] <yasnak> I perfer being as far from everyone as I can. I was from a town of 100 back north. Here? Not so much...
[17:35:23] <MacGalempsy__> my jaw hit the floor
[17:35:40] <Crom_> Been doing a bit of research and finding out a bit of the family is Menonite Michells from Germany.. So Dennis the Menis is a cousin ;\
[17:36:56] <Crom_> step daughter is going to UCSC Santa Cruz... so far 2nd year... into it for less than $6000
[17:37:15] <MacGalempsy__> that is pretty good. scholarships?
[17:37:42] <MacGalempsy__> CA residency makes things a lot cheaper
[17:38:05] <Crom_> grants mostly... $100 a month for spending money and $5000 in a loan
[17:38:07] <MacGalempsy__> Modesto Junior College was $13/unit-hour
[17:38:22] <Crom_> Modesto JC is actually a decent school
[17:38:41] <Crom_> great Vintner program
[17:38:42] <MacGalempsy__> got as much of my undergrad done there as possible
[17:39:42] <Crom_> I went to Contra Costa in San Pablo... Crap school... great Drama department
[17:40:01] <Crom_> Finished my AS in the Air Force
[17:40:23] <MacGalempsy__> the only thing I found that going to a high price college does is create better contacts (if you kiss the right asses)
[17:40:27] <Crom_> Instructor in Technology
[17:40:44] <Crom_> Mac: SO TRUE!
[17:41:17] <Crom_> get a Wall Street job with a back water degree vs a harvard or Yale
[17:41:46] <Crom_> Harvard and Yale 2 of the biggest party schools around...
[17:41:59] <Nick-Shop> JT- heres what's in M102
[17:42:00] <Nick-Shop> #!/bin/sh
[17:42:02] <Nick-Shop> # M102 - Opens Collet Closer
[17:42:03] <Nick-Shop> halcmd setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.043.out False
[17:42:05] <Nick-Shop> halcmd setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.042.out True
[17:42:06] <Nick-Shop> exit 0
[17:42:22] <MacGalempsy__> I know a DR who went to OU and owes $400k in loans. He makes $$$ but lives as though he is still in college
[17:42:42] <Crom_> Nick-Shop, chmod a+x M102
[17:43:24] <Crom_> and use #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/ash
[17:45:18] <Crom_> mac: true... and I wonder what his premium is for his malpractice insurance is..
[17:45:37] <Crom_> he needs to marry Paris hilton...
[17:45:38] <JT-Shop> Nick-Shop: did you check the reasons in the link for unknown m code?
[17:45:48] <MacGalempsy_> he works under his uncle, so i dont think he worries about that part
[17:46:03] <MacGalempsy_> however, he married another ortho, so he may just owe $800k
[17:46:11] <Nick-Shop> already changed it to bash - same thing --trying /ash now -be back
[17:46:15] <Crom_> heh probably...
[17:46:48] <MacGalempsy_> and I was made fun of for working the whole time. I just got lucky on a grad assistantship
[17:48:56] <MacGalempsy_> hmm. may have just solved the clamping force dilema on this DIY plastic molding machine. Harbor Frieght may have saved the day.
http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-air-over-hydraulic-jack-95553.html
[17:49:02] <Nick-Shop> jt same thing - also,checkbox disappeared
[17:49:15] <MacGalempsy_> how many cycles will it handle, though...
[17:51:46] <JT-Shop> what checkbox?
[17:53:04] * JT-Shop might just get this part done today...
[17:53:32] <Crom_> the air over hydraulic jack has pretty good reviews
[17:54:23] <Nick-Shop> in permissions. changed back to bask and checkbox is back. Did the chmode and still error
[17:54:38] <MacGalempsy_> the injection pressure is easy to increase but the clamping is a little more difficult
[17:55:10] <Nick-Shop> bask/bash
[17:55:23] <MacGalempsy_> will have to figure out how to automate the bleeding process for unclamping
[17:55:26] <Crom_> hmmm
[17:56:00] <Nick-Shop> JT - parts don't watch the clock
[17:56:30] <Crom_> put M102 into a pathed directory
[17:56:45] <Crom_> or add the directory to the path
[17:57:10] <Crom_> not at home so I can't look at linuxcnc
[17:57:59] <Nick-Shop> I have SUBROUTINE_PATH = ncsubroutines:/etc in the ini
[17:58:36] <Nick-Shop> and the m files are in the subroutines dir
[17:59:09] <Crom_> hmmm /etc or $HOME/linuxcnc/etc
[18:02:21] <Nick-Shop> actually SUBROUTINE_PATH = ncsubroutines:/home/myname/linuxcnc/subroutines
[18:05:25] <Nick-Shop> Boss called - dinner - tomorrow another day
[18:10:31] <FloppyDisk525> capt... you need this...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-VQC-20-40B-CNC-VMC-Bridge-Type-Machining-Center-w-APC-28-ATC-CAM-2-/232096704319?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
[18:26:28] <FloppyDisk525> If I would've known how long it takes to machine, I would've never bought my mill.... Oh, I'm slow...
[18:32:47] <MacGalempsy__> FloppyDisk525: what mill do you have?
[18:33:14] <MacGalempsy__> FloppyDisk525: did you just have too high of expectations?
[18:48:17] <Loetmichel> FloppyDisk525: hihi, tell me about it... i am making 10 19" enclosures for the company... working on that for 6 days straight now... still at least 2 days to go...
[18:48:31] <JT-Shop> made my first 3d printed part out of aluminum lol
[18:48:55] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16426&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- only 2 top lids and 9 front panels to go now tho...
[18:49:20] <Loetmichel> ... and a lot of deburring, taling poff and sending to the powder coater...
[18:50:19] <Loetmichel> the front panels take a whine tho because of 4mm thick material and a CNC 6040 wich has a max capacity of 0.2mm depth of cut per run
[18:50:40] <Loetmichel> s/taling poff/taping off
[18:55:55] <yasnak> mac: those bottle jacks suck
[18:56:10] <yasnak> just a heads up, mine worked at first...then leaked maybe the second or third time in
[18:56:46] <yasnak> although maybe they've changed something as the reviews seem good
[18:58:07] <Valen> Loetmichel: the 6040 machines are pretty crappy i have been lead to believe
[18:58:37] <Valen> still those are some nice looking parts
[19:29:25] <MacGalempsy> yasnak: thanks. i'll keep that in mind. occasional use is one thing, but the concern is the cycle count
[19:31:10] <MacGalempsy> JT-shop: hopefully not the first of many. which part?
[19:32:20] <yasnak> trying to make a mini injection molder?
[19:51:16] <MacGalempsy> yep.
[19:51:35] <MacGalempsy> the AB400 is $9k
[19:52:28] <MacGalempsy> trying to get a game plan together for something in the 2k ballpark, but usi g 220v
[19:56:25] <yasnak> yeah we've got a sodick gl60 and gl200
[19:56:41] <yasnak> never made one myself, seems like a headache
[19:56:43] <yasnak> lol
[19:58:48] <MacGalempsy> haha. probably, but being unemployed, i got time to frankenstien that shit.
[19:59:22] <MacGalempsy> the main problem is no 3phase en mi casa
[19:59:53] <MacGalempsy> lokk up the ab400. it looks simple
[20:03:20] <yasnak> oh wow
[20:03:23] <yasnak> simple, looks cool
[20:03:31] <yasnak> what all can you use with it?
[20:07:21] <Crom_> hmmm find a 3pahse motor... wire it with 2phase, spin it with a single phase motor, then you have your third phase
[20:07:54] <MacGalempsy> that thing is only like .75 oz shot
[20:08:14] <MacGalempsy> 5 ton clamp, so not much
[20:08:19] <yasnak> what about buying a generator?
[20:08:51] <MacGalempsy> the power situation is 4-5k any which way
[20:09:27] <yasnak> get one of those surplus army gensets...we bought one for our shop up north. thing was cheap and runs like a champ
[20:09:40] <Crom_> MacGalempsy, how many horse power do you need?
[20:10:47] <MacGalempsy> have been scouring the country for the stuff.
[20:11:41] <MacGalempsy> Crom_ the smallest commercial machine for that would fit in the garage was to be had at 3k
[20:12:23] <MacGalempsy> it required 50hp rotary phase converter and a 15kva transformer which were over 4k
[20:12:44] <MacGalempsy> plus wiring
[20:12:46] <Crom_> ahhhh
[20:13:08] <Crom_> wires not cheap... electricians... run the gamut
[21:22:38] <Crom_> amazing video
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/slow-motion-super-high-rez-chip-formation-276094/
[22:00:05] <CNCdrew> I am converting a machine from mach3/smoothstepper to linuxCNC. It is going well. Thanks to all wo have helped.
[22:00:21] <CNCdrew> I need some advice about driver microstepping.
[22:01:05] <CNCdrew> the old setup (which was screwed up) was using 16th stepping. But it doesnt seem to have very strong motors
[22:01:46] <CNCdrew> the page (
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Motor_Speed_Limitations) seems to suggest that microstepping can signifigantly reduce torque
[22:02:36] <CNCdrew> What should I consider before deciding to try 4th stepping, for example?
[22:03:41] <Crom_> CNCdrew, you can give it a whirl...
[22:04:08] <Crom_> don't forget to check step values
[22:04:28] <Crom_> change
[22:06:12] <Crom_> I might have to play with mine... since Y is kinda week on mine...
[22:40:03] <Crom_> laterz off to home
[23:01:10] <Crom> home
[23:05:17] <Jymmm> Crom: Welcome Home
[23:49:48] <Crom> hmmm going to try changing my Y axis to 1/4 step from 1/16 and see if I can get more power and speed
[23:59:16] <Crom> more speed and more power
