#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-10-01

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[00:51:55] <yasnak> anyone roll out the new windows 10 updates? did on a few more advanced users computers (they can better understand problems..) and some went fine others have very weird issues. no taskbar shortcuts, cortana is on the taskbar but doesn't function, some error about bad data when opening programs. Just putting it out there...don't upgrade haha.
[01:05:15] <Lowridah> i took the big long update the other day with no ill effects
[01:05:31] <Lowridah> other than not being able to do anything during the multiple reboots
[01:06:00] <XXCoder> linux update and reboots?
[01:06:02] <XXCoder> wow
[01:09:08] <yasnak> blows up taskbar/search
[01:09:12] <yasnak> randomly breaks applications
[01:09:19] <yasnak> only fix right now is total wipe
[01:09:50] <yasnak> if only ALL software needed ran on linux ;/
[01:10:01] <yasnak> *easily
[01:11:58] <Lowridah> my workflow is unfortunately split across multiple oses due to lack of tools i want to use
[01:13:12] <yasnak> you win some battles and you lose the rest
[01:13:29] <yasnak> thats why they make weekends and beer
[01:13:34] <Lowridah> imagemagick image, save to dropbox, open and process in f-engrave in windows, save gcode back to dropbox, go back to mac or linux, bang regex against engraver code to make it laser code
[01:13:50] <Lowridah> save back to dropbox, cut on whatever laptop is closest to machine
[01:14:01] <yasnak> should maybe use rsync and at least cut out the save ops
[01:14:07] <yasnak> or something like it
[01:14:19] <Lowridah> i work in dropbox, it syncs everywhere in every os i use
[01:14:30] <yasnak> gotcha
[01:14:48] <Lowridah> it's also a webroot so i can snag the files there wherever i'm at
[01:15:06] <Lowridah> closest would be sshfs since rsync requires it gets ran sometime
[01:15:31] <yasnak> just suggesting, obviously you've thought this over and it works lol
[01:15:41] <Lowridah> yea, it's a refined if ugly workflow
[01:15:54] <Lowridah> someone someday will just make a tool i'll like
[01:16:11] <yasnak> today I killed our on site backup solutions...moving everything to iron mountain / onsite tape rotation in fireproof/waterproof safe
[01:16:21] <yasnak> makes my life so much nicer. i have so much extra disk space now...
[01:16:38] <yasnak> MD1200 w/15TB free'd. Its almost a waste
[01:16:59] <XXCoder> 15 tb? dang
[01:19:48] <yasnak> yeah it holds 72tb w/12 6tb drives. i run 2tb drives.
[01:19:58] <Lowridah> at work my latest projects are linux boxes with 10tb drives stacked on their sides in a 3u jbod
[01:20:07] <Lowridah> my whole professional world is ridiculous storage
[01:20:19] <yasnak> had tons of issues with the windows 2008 r2 and 512/4096 sector upgrades. what a mess.
[01:20:51] <yasnak> ours is probably the same 300MB of files copied 50 times. no dedup.
[01:21:45] <Lowridah> i'm a hweng in aws so luckily i never really have to deal with windows
[01:22:13] <yasnak> haha, for real?
[01:22:15] <yasnak> thats awesome
[01:22:17] <Lowridah> yea
[01:22:24] <yasnak> so uh, buddy...
[01:22:25] <yasnak> pal
[01:22:26] <Lowridah> well, i have a windows desktop but just for excel
[01:22:39] <yasnak> really? excel of all apps? why?
[01:22:49] <Lowridah> dude
[01:22:52] <Lowridah> checked into a sharepoint
[01:23:06] <Lowridah> it's hardware engineering cruft, tons of old timers
[01:23:23] <yasnak> like how so? sorry i'm interested lol
[01:23:29] <Lowridah> when you work in server hardware it's mostly old chinese men that work off spreadsheets and word docs
[01:23:44] <yasnak> yeah, i wish I knew more about sharepoint
[01:23:54] <Lowridah> it's also par for the course to do all of your validation in excel
[01:23:59] <Lowridah> since everyone can read the results
[01:24:08] <yasnak> does sharepoint rev control basic ascii files? like txt files?
[01:24:17] <Lowridah> it's webdev so sure
[01:24:24] <Lowridah> if the users are controlled properly
[01:24:33] <yasnak> really?
[01:24:34] <Lowridah> or, close to webdav
[01:24:35] <Lowridah> yea
[01:24:39] <yasnak> ...wow
[01:24:49] <yasnak> so I could use it for version control on programs? :P
[01:24:56] <Lowridah> yes
[01:25:02] <Lowridah> i would never do that
[01:25:06] <Lowridah> that's what git is for!
[01:25:13] <XXCoder> indeed
[01:25:20] <yasnak> I mean NC programs
[01:25:23] <yasnak> cnc
[01:25:26] <Lowridah> sure
[01:25:28] <Lowridah> of course
[01:25:32] <Lowridah> i still woudln't
[01:25:38] <Lowridah> but i like that thought
[01:25:47] <yasnak> is there a super user friendly front end for git?
[01:26:00] <yasnak> cuz uh, sometimes turning the computer on is hard enough for these guys
[01:26:06] <Lowridah> i tend to think bash is since it's got somewhat limited controls
[01:26:13] <yasnak> ugh
[01:26:18] <Lowridah> i dunno what to present to non techies
[01:26:19] <XXCoder> cron the commits
[01:26:27] <Lowridah> my group all knows how to use git so it's a non issue
[01:26:37] <yasnak> but see that'd be same as just basically rsyncing every 'x' time
[01:26:39] <Lowridah> we hate sharepoint but it's just something we have to deal with
[01:26:45] <yasnak> I want it to literally document EVERY change
[01:27:00] <Lowridah> well, github maybe then
[01:27:02] <Lowridah> it's a web page
[01:27:15] <yasnak> by document i mean just save a version and timestamp. so tired of people flubbing programs but also tired of being the sole librarian lol
[01:27:29] <XXCoder> cron each minute lol
[01:27:33] <XXCoder> honestly dunno
[01:27:37] <yasnak> lol
[01:27:53] <XXCoder> i bet there can be program that watch for fule changes and trigger action
[01:28:04] <yasnak> currently looking into this: http://www.cimco.com/software/cimco-mdm/overview/
[01:28:31] <yasnak> we have solidwork's epdm, which cost a nice penny after their BS license rape
[01:30:33] <XXCoder> that guy must be gangster https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1598191
[01:34:38] <Lowridah> make an agent that runs find with mtime every minute i guess
[01:35:25] <Lowridah> i've never cut out knuckles but i print a lot in abs at 100% infill then wrap them with paracord
[01:35:44] <TeslaTony> Goth gangster?
[01:35:51] <Lowridah> they're illegal in metal but legal in plastic in my state
[01:36:07] <XXCoder> jeez because plastic is likely to work just fine
[01:36:09] <XXCoder> nylon say
[01:36:28] <Lowridah> oh abs or PET is strong enough
[01:36:34] <TeslaTony> ABS and PLA are going to be good, too
[01:36:45] <XXCoder> pla can do, though probably not last beyhind few punches
[01:36:48] <Lowridah> nylon is too hard to print that much filament without it wanting to take in atmosphere
[01:37:10] <XXCoder> low nylon 12 is less sensive
[01:37:11] <Lowridah> at 100% infill, paper towel with acetone wiped, they look very nice
[01:37:30] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: geek gangster
[01:37:31] <Lowridah> i bought spools of nylon a few years ago and i have to bake it by measured foot to use it
[01:37:39] <Lowridah> it's the most water hungry filament i've used
[01:37:41] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire . probably lol
[01:37:45] <XXCoder> perfect for commit fights
[01:37:57] <pink_vampire> loll
[01:38:01] <XXCoder> Lowridah: was yours nylon 8 or 16?
[01:38:03] <XXCoder> err 12
[01:38:28] <Lowridah> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:358072
[01:38:38] <Lowridah> that's the one i print, i've done a bunch of them
[01:38:45] <Lowridah> XXCoder: it was taulman 618
[01:38:47] <XXCoder> why?
[01:38:56] <Lowridah> why not?
[01:38:57] <yasnak> i just grab some 1" round stock, i think i could do much more damage haha
[01:39:02] <Lowridah> i printed out guns for christ sake
[01:39:06] <pink_vampire> the title lol!
[01:39:08] <yasnak> its not illegal until i kill the person
[01:39:14] <XXCoder> yasnak: I still have 1' alum rod, 3 in thick
[01:39:14] <yasnak> so i got that goin for me
[01:39:20] <XXCoder> that'd kill person :P
[01:39:25] <yasnak> yeah i have some 12" round aluminum and titanium
[01:39:32] <Lowridah> i'm a pacifist anyways, it's a why not thing
[01:39:33] <yasnak> no way i'm swinging that though
[01:39:47] <XXCoder> face massger heh like "back massager" ladies love so much
[01:40:07] <yasnak> ^^
[01:40:21] <yasnak> keeps the wife busy
[01:40:25] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/M4usYSW.png
[01:41:42] <Lowridah> i print mine in green abs
[01:41:49] <Lowridah> they're not face massagers, they're irish drinking mittens
[01:42:46] <witnit> I have an additive machining idea
[01:43:02] <witnit> imagine the jacks game
[01:43:11] <witnit> those little death spikes if you ever step on them
[01:43:16] <Lowridah> drop the ball get more than the last turn?
[01:43:50] <Lowridah> you mean you gotta use your hands?
[01:43:51] <witnit> what you do is draw something in cad, and with a robot pick them up and laser weld them to one another to create form
[01:43:52] <Lowridah> that's a baby's toy
[01:44:05] <witnit> like tinker toys or something
[01:44:10] <Lowridah> pick what up
[01:44:20] <witnit> but weld them with this tech http://kjlasermicromachining.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Nozzle-to-body_s.jpg
[01:44:23] <Lowridah> i hear pick and place robot picking up and placing stuff but what from where
[01:44:40] <witnit> yes like pick and place but laser weld basic components together to create form
[01:44:44] <XXCoder> I read abouyt welder arm 3d printing in 3d before
[01:45:00] <yasnak> yeah
[01:45:15] <Lowridah> so like, have x amount of rods x length as consumables?
[01:45:18] <witnit> yes like that but use an array of small parts to quickly build structure as cooling times and such would be bad
[01:45:21] <Lowridah> in a bin it picks from?
[01:45:21] <witnit> exactly
[01:45:43] <Lowridah> well i've backed more nebulous kickstarters
[01:46:15] <yasnak> uh
[01:46:17] <witnit> at some point one could easily integrate fully complete motors or encoders without ever using screws
[01:47:14] <Lowridah> with our robot powers combined they can make voltron
[01:47:35] <Lowridah> i don't get it really, what the end goal is, but it sounds neat
[01:47:49] <yasnak> its a 2:19AM idea
[01:47:52] <yasnak> common man
[01:48:23] <witnit> its just like any other idea that probably makes up ever piece of tech we have
[01:48:41] <Lowridah> you guys ever play with diode lasers
[01:48:42] <witnit> who ever though we would be doing additive machining now
[01:48:46] <witnit> but its here
[01:48:46] <yasnak> yes
[01:48:56] <yasnak> have a diode and fiber
[01:49:03] <Lowridah> i bought an l-cheapo a week ago and got it to cut through a quarter inch of poplar
[01:49:11] <Lowridah> i'm trying to figure out what i want to use for workflow from end to end
[01:49:17] <Lowridah> right now it's a mishmash of crap
[01:49:30] <yasnak> its the reason i can't breath @ 27
[01:49:40] <yasnak> freaking cutting stainless
[01:49:44] <pink_vampire> how can i fit 4 jaw chuck on 1/2" shank?
[01:49:49] <XXCoder> Lowridah: nice
[01:50:02] <yasnak> pink, might need to supply more info :P
[01:50:24] <pink_vampire> one sec i will take a picture
[01:50:35] <XXCoder> Lowridah: using laser goggles?
[01:50:38] <XXCoder> or enclosed?
[01:50:55] <Lowridah> goggles, semi enclosed
[01:51:00] <Lowridah> http://imgur.com/a/Lu6al
[01:51:01] <XXCoder> nice
[01:51:09] <Lowridah> it's a matter of sliding in a cut piece of mdf to fully enclose it
[01:51:13] <Lowridah> i just dont' have a cam in there yet
[01:51:17] <Lowridah> or proper ventilation
[01:51:32] <yasnak> ^^
[01:52:05] <Lowridah> cam right now is a bitch tough
[01:52:28] <Lowridah> i just setup laserweb which is a js laser suite but it's not 'all that' yet
[01:54:11] <yasnak> why diode though? fiber would probably cut that with way less support needed
[01:54:24] <XXCoder> fiber?
[01:54:30] <yasnak> and i have one to sell ya bahaha, with a laser marking studio :P
[01:54:48] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/Awg3fxo.png
[01:55:15] <XXCoder> trying to make 4th axis?
[01:55:15] <yasnak> where is the 4 jaw chuck
[01:55:36] <yasnak> you just need to either drill a hole and set screw the chuck to the cam shaft or what?
[01:55:42] <pink_vampire> i want to mount on this 1/2" shaft 4 jaw chuck
[01:56:20] <Lowridah> this is a $215 laser module
[01:56:23] <Lowridah> that's why diode
[01:56:26] <Lowridah> how much is a fiber laser
[01:56:36] <yasnak> everything included?
[01:56:39] <XXCoder> what is fiber laser anyway
[01:56:49] <yasnak> enclosure, laser, software so on? like 10k
[01:56:57] <Lowridah> even just laser
[01:57:10] <Lowridah> it's just too costly
[01:57:19] <yasnak> eh, specced laser head w/100 watt @ like 1k last week
[01:57:22] <Lowridah> i did this with a 3.5w chinese diode for $215 on an existing machine
[01:57:40] <Lowridah> that's weekend chump change, a fiber laser would be kinda an investment
[01:57:54] <yasnak> yeah, depends on your needs i guess
[01:58:02] <Lowridah> it's also my first laser and i didn't want to overbuy
[01:58:08] <yasnak> yeah
[01:58:08] <witnit> I never really watched an additive manufacturing machine run, anyone know how long something like this takes?
[01:58:12] <Lowridah> i didn't even know how to make it work when i got it last week
[01:58:13] <witnit> https://www.pureairemonitoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Additive-Manufacturing-3D-printer-oxygen-monitor-1024x675.jpg
[01:58:14] <XXCoder> Lowridah: 3.5w? thought you ened say 500w laser to cut wood and so on?
[01:58:31] <yasnak> probably a few hours
[01:58:39] <Lowridah> XXCoder: lasers arne't all the same, most cutters are co2 lasers at 40w and up
[01:58:57] <Lowridah> if you're crafty you can create workflow for a much lower powered non-co2 laser
[01:59:00] <Lowridah> a diode
[01:59:02] <Lowridah> at a couple watts
[01:59:19] <Lowridah> the co2 lasers also require or should have full enclosures because they refact off mirrors
[01:59:24] <Lowridah> this is just on your gantry
[01:59:31] <Lowridah> let me find my first cutting vid from last week
[01:59:35] <XXCoder> ok
[01:59:42] <pink_vampire> http://www.shars.com/products/toolholding-workholding/lathe-chucks/3-4-jaw-independent-chuck-solid-hard-jaws
[01:59:48] <Lowridah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxsHFOREJpA
[01:59:52] <XXCoder> yeah I would enclose it so hard. if nothing elser I fear losing vision
[02:00:01] <pink_vampire> this is the chuck that I'm thinking to mount on it
[02:00:02] <Lowridah> oh of course
[02:00:05] <yasnak> so make an adapter on the rotary cam, set screw it
[02:00:07] <Lowridah> i have a 16yo son and a dog at home
[02:00:10] <XXCoder> Lowridah: and I have extra parts!
[02:00:13] <Lowridah> i can't afford to fuck up their eyes
[02:00:25] <XXCoder> I have bought some cnc parts to upgrade my cnc router
[02:00:29] <yasnak> use large enough stock and put a set screw on the chuck. turn them close as shit to reduce runout
[02:00:39] <Lowridah> in that video i don't have the laser on/off gcode right
[02:00:41] <XXCoder> all I need is some stuff and I can make very flat cnc
[02:00:54] <Lowridah> so it's not turning the relay on and off for moves
[02:01:10] <Lowridah> it's also a shapeoko 3 and i don't run linuxcnc hah
[02:01:22] <Lowridah> but i like to idle here because you guys are smarter than the shapeoko channel
[02:01:29] <pink_vampire> yasnak: what do you mean by adapter??
[02:01:40] <yasnak> like a solid chuck of metal
[02:01:47] <yasnak> turn OD to ID of the chuck
[02:02:05] <yasnak> drill a hole in it the OD of the cam on the rotary, then use setscrews to hold it together
[02:02:12] <XXCoder> seeing back picture I see 4 bolts
[02:02:25] <XXCoder> could be alterate way I suppose
[02:02:27] <yasnak> or flat stock maybe
[02:08:14] <yasnak> nothing like burning $25.00 in material every 10 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3WMsSVFm54 lol
[02:09:59] <pink_vampire> something like that? http://i.imgur.com/5n2YET7.png
[02:10:29] <yasnak> sure
[02:10:35] <witnit> yasnak: what is that machine doing?
[02:10:42] <XXCoder> its cast molding
[02:10:47] <yasnak> molding medical parts
[02:10:54] <XXCoder> yeah that'd work pink I bet
[02:11:03] <XXCoder> what a awful camera work
[02:11:09] <XXCoder> couldnt look at video most time
[02:11:56] <yasnak> sorry, was done using my cell
[02:12:04] <yasnak> here this is better of the swiss...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnvl5rrrwv8
[02:12:06] <XXCoder> np its my brain that sucks
[02:12:57] <witnit> yasnak: when are you converting it to emc?=D
[02:13:29] <XXCoder> yasnak: that is awesome lol
[02:14:05] <pink_vampire> coolant
[02:14:35] <witnit> yasnak: is that like the MS22?
[02:14:43] <XXCoder> https://i.imgur.com/XImHYQO.jpg
[02:14:56] <XXCoder> 120 MILLION bricks. retired.
[02:15:08] <XXCoder> they REALLY keep close look at molds they made
[02:16:13] <witnit> oh man those index machine use a hirth to keep the spindles all nice and located
[02:19:08] <XXCoder> the lego one?
[02:19:13] <XXCoder> or is it something else?
[02:19:56] <yasnak> yes
[02:20:00] <witnit> yasnak posted a video of a multispindle machine and the spindles are all locked in with hirth gear when it rotates
[02:20:10] <XXCoder> oh
[02:20:16] <XXCoder> I thought it was a lathe turret
[02:20:38] <witnit> looks like an index multispindle screw machine
[02:21:00] <witnit> https://youtu.be/1ag8r60X_14
[02:21:06] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2USOtb8rA8 the making of the back citizen and star part of shop. plus edm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzG6uQXeyCU *warning: phone video :P*
[02:22:10] <XXCoder> thankjs for warning
[02:22:50] <witnit> Mooorrrnninggggg Deejay
[02:22:53] <Deejay> moin
[02:22:56] <Deejay> hey witnit :)
[02:26:00] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[02:26:39] <XXCoder> yo
[02:27:08] <[cubert]> cool witnit what are you making?
[02:27:59] <witnit> oh I dont have any of those cool machines
[02:28:16] <witnit> mine are all old and gear/cam driven
[02:28:43] <[cube]> heh same
[02:28:47] <[cube]> got a friend with a shop like that
[02:29:01] <[cube]> shame he doesnt seem to ever make anything for himself
[02:29:14] <witnit> lights out operation on my machines would result in large fires
[02:29:24] <[cube]> lmao
[02:29:33] <[cube]> yea pretty sure if i did that i'd have a dust explosion
[02:29:36] <witnit> ever seen a screw machine on fire?
[02:29:44] <[cube]> i have not
[02:29:47] <witnit> oil burns nicely
[02:30:14] <[cube]> yikes
[02:30:18] <witnit> what kinds of machines have you got?
[02:30:45] <Lowridah> my dad has some boeing era optical cutter that takes up more than an average 2 car garage
[02:30:55] <[cube]> oh ive just got hobby stuff
[02:31:04] <Lowridah> i want to cnc it eventually
[02:31:08] <Lowridah> it's ridiculous
[02:31:10] <[cube]> diy cnc router / 3d printer etc
[02:31:23] <XXCoder> witnit: heh cell I work on we always leave it running over night
[02:31:36] <XXCoder> its nice though it can detect tool fuck up and stop and wait
[02:31:48] <XXCoder> it may ruin one part but it dont break more than one tool
[02:32:19] <[cube]> yea gotta run it over night to pay for itself
[02:32:25] <[cube]> those things cost more than a house
[02:32:38] <XXCoder> [cube]: it cost more than many millionaire house
[02:32:41] <XXCoder> $5 million
[02:32:45] <[cube]> eep
[02:33:07] <XXCoder> not counting any addons like over 250 tools and holders for em
[02:33:15] <[cube]> i'll stick to mdf lol
[02:33:20] <XXCoder> 500 tools total
[02:33:25] <[cube]> yeah
[02:33:28] <[cube]> thank god for business loans
[02:33:41] <XXCoder> I suppose. dunno if they did that or not.
[02:47:43] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[02:47:46] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:525796
[02:49:39] <yasnak> witnit: firetrace
[02:50:35] <yasnak> i live and die by them, had the fire dept at our place weekly. they forced us to put them in lol. now i can sleep @ night. most times they detect fire before anything happens and we see a machine with no light on...as its shut down
[02:50:58] <witnit> uh weekly?
[02:51:01] <yasnak> still have cameras all over to watch
[02:51:04] <yasnak> okay, monthly
[02:51:07] <witnit> hahaha yesh I think you might want that
[02:54:38] <yasnak> yeah, our insurance would slit throats without it lol
[02:55:04] <yasnak> plus we had to evac everyone from building each time. ugh. good times
[04:14:03] <pink_vampire> what is better then music and chips?
[04:14:15] <pink_vampire> music and digitizing!!
[04:15:13] <XXCoder> lol
[04:16:28] <archivist> two fried eggs beans and chips
[04:16:35] <pink_vampire> i need to make a plaque like that
[04:16:44] <XXCoder> digitalized fried eggs and beans with music
[04:16:56] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: lol
[04:18:15] <pink_vampire> I like my food only if it cut to size and certified to 0.0001"
[04:18:25] <XXCoder> lol
[04:40:40] <pink_vampire> supper happy 2, finally i fund what kill my igaging caliper
[04:41:17] <archivist> dirty contacts
[04:41:19] <XXCoder> igaging caliper. strange brand
[04:41:32] <pink_vampire> the usb port stop working, so i tool it apart, and i fund very small metal chip that short few contact
[04:41:46] <pink_vampire> clean it, and it back to life
[04:42:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: it's very nice caliper
[04:42:05] <XXCoder> ah thats why I use ip68 caliper
[04:42:18] <XXCoder> I have used it in coolant rain lol
[04:42:21] <pink_vampire> it's ip 54
[04:42:23] <XXCoder> pretty good stuff
[04:42:40] <archivist> I have to clean the battery contacts on my calipers now and again
[04:43:25] <XXCoder> ip54 is okay, better than my shitty caliper. its probably ip-10-10 :P
[04:43:41] <pink_vampire> and i need to re grind the tip of it..
[04:44:04] <XXCoder> I dont use shitty one at work, only quality and certified tools.
[04:44:28] <pink_vampire> do you know ho to get it sharp?
[04:45:11] <XXCoder> get new one
[04:45:24] <XXCoder> I dont know of method that would keep accuracy
[04:45:41] <XXCoder> though maybe dissemble then re-grind? dunno
[04:45:42] <pink_vampire> it acurate
[04:45:46] <archivist> shorten remove from outer angle only
[04:46:08] <pink_vampire> that what i mean
[04:46:31] <pink_vampire> but how? is rock hard
[04:47:05] <sync> using your bench grinder
[04:47:35] <archivist> so long since I did my old pair, might have used the bench grinder then cleaned with a hand stone
[04:47:43] <pink_vampire> i dont have
[04:47:45] <XXCoder> so never grind inside
[04:47:49] <XXCoder> just outside in
[04:48:05] <XXCoder> so it may get shorter but inside accurate surfaces stays intact?
[04:48:19] <pink_vampire> yes
[04:48:22] <archivist> yup
[04:48:48] <pink_vampire> only dimond nail file remove metal
[04:55:06] <pink_vampire> one jaw almost done
[05:27:21] <pink_vampire> fixed!
[05:29:16] <XXCoder> cool :)
[06:08:00] <pink_vampire> I have new project now.
[06:08:24] <XXCoder> is it "make rolf fancy cnc mill"?
[06:08:47] <pink_vampire> rolf?
[06:08:51] <XXCoder> me
[06:09:05] <pink_vampire> ???
[06:09:13] <XXCoder> thats my real first name
[06:09:23] <XXCoder> quite uncommon in usa
[06:10:29] <pink_vampire> hoooo
[06:10:34] <pink_vampire> i see now
[06:11:18] <pink_vampire> i'm working on very basic hand drowings for it
[06:23:01] <XXCoder> cool
[06:23:31] <pink_vampire> done
[06:23:44] <pink_vampire> it's going to be cool
[06:24:01] <XXCoder> my printing is almost done :D not very fun project though, just filiment clups
[06:24:04] <XXCoder> *clips
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> yay done :P
[06:30:59] <XXCoder> so any pics or secret? heh
[06:31:20] <pink_vampire> in a moment
[07:03:47] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/eZo47qi.png
[07:04:00] <XXCoder> looking
[07:05:59] <XXCoder> gearing for 90 turn rotate
[07:06:00] <XXCoder> ?
[07:12:30] <XXCoder> not sure what that is
[07:23:54] <JT-Mobile> What's up this morning
[07:24:16] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: as you can see on the bottom part, it's not a "gear" it need to move in very specific way.
[07:26:27] <pink_vampire> firs the top shaft should rotate in 90 deg, then the other shaft should push out, then rotate 180 deg, then it should push inside
[07:26:29] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[07:26:33] <pink_vampire> JT-Mobile:
[07:26:36] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/eZo47qi.png
[07:27:12] <XXCoder> go out, rotate 180, go in, repeat?
[07:28:12] <pink_vampire> not necessarily
[07:28:40] <pink_vampire> but the top shaft should rotate 90 deg first
[07:29:13] <JT-Mobile> Sounds complicated
[07:30:00] <pink_vampire> it's not that complicated
[07:30:14] <pink_vampire> one motor
[07:30:18] <pink_vampire> 2 shafts
[07:30:25] <pink_vampire> one on the top
[07:30:35] <XXCoder> gearing would be interesting
[07:30:51] <pink_vampire> and one in 90 deg, to the motor?
[07:31:02] <JT-Mobile> And the cams
[07:31:09] <pink_vampire> yeah
[07:33:24] <JT-Mobile> I saw a machine in Taiwan that had a bunch of cams and gears can't remember what it did
[07:33:59] <JT-Mobile> But it was a very complex
[07:34:25] <pink_vampire> yeah something like that..
[07:39:29] <archivist> pink_vampire, browse this site http://507movements.com/index18.html
[07:42:22] <archivist> with stuff like http://507movements.com/mm_198.html
[07:50:44] <JT-Mobile> 167 is how the tool carousel is extended on my VMC
[07:56:09] <XXCoder> archivist: interesting siter
[07:59:40] <archivist> some are impossible as drawn http://507movements.com/mm_223.html
[08:00:10] <XXCoder> there is 3d printable gears like that
[08:00:21] <XXCoder> not sure why its impossible?
[08:01:28] <archivist> the transistion from one speed to next requires the teeth go past previous/next and the other speed
[08:02:20] <archivist> see notes on that page :)
[08:02:35] <XXCoder> ahh see it noiw
[08:03:12] <XXCoder> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/695/20829986468_e0c73b3612_b.jpg
[08:03:18] <XXCoder> notice the gears
[08:03:34] <XXCoder> it alters a little
[08:04:28] <XXCoder> LOL http://507movements.com/mm_191.html'
[08:04:32] <JT-Mobile> Tracking on the hot glue machine says it's in missouri
[08:06:00] <XXCoder> interesting worm variant
[08:06:03] <XXCoder> http://507movements.com/mm_202.html
[08:18:13] <XXCoder> archivist: so many are clock stuff
[08:18:53] <pink_vampire> i want a cmm
[08:19:04] <tjtr33> on irc logs i saw IchGuchLive was back from the forest. Hello Hello!
[08:26:53] <Tom_itx> JT-Mobile, on the road already?
[08:27:30] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: yeah have bunch of em at work, they look nice
[08:27:40] <JT-Mobile> On the road all day yesterday
[08:29:56] <pink_vampire> i'm working on some very interesting setup
[08:32:55] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: he returned about a week ago, how are things by you?
[08:56:36] <pink_vampire> i need to make small clamps
[09:12:43] <Meduza> anyone know a reasonably cheap source for single-point thread mills that i can use to mill a internal M6 thread?
[09:13:32] <Meduza> need a very weird thing, a 10mm long sleeve with with 5mm of M6x1 and 5mm of M6x0.75mm thread, so cannot tap it in a traditional sense
[09:14:03] <Meduza> might be able to turn it, but i am not good enough with the manual lathe...
[09:15:38] <Meduza> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4v25aiqjnzm67v4/2016-10-01%2003_07_20-New%20notification.png?dl=0
[09:18:42] <archivist> I would grind a single point for one off
[09:20:41] <archivist> I would tap that from either end with bottom taps
[09:23:39] <archivist> expensive single point tooling from phorn
[09:25:33] <Meduza> yeah, might resort to regrinding a old tap to a single point thread mill, it has worked in the past
[09:26:19] <SpeedEvil> Glue two nuts together.
[09:26:32] <Tom_itx> sounds painful
[09:26:38] <SpeedEvil> Probably kidding, unless it is adequate.
[09:28:28] <Meduza> it is not adequate in this case, the two threads need a pretty good concentricity
[09:28:39] <Meduza> and need to take 250 degrees C heat
[09:30:44] <SpeedEvil> adjust nuts while high temperature glue sets for good concentricity, turn to just leave the threads and a little meat remaining, sleeve with an interference fit sleeve, with some locker compound on it
[09:52:16] <gregcnc> Meduza onlinecarbide.com also on ebay
[10:02:57] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/Q73eAKv.png
[10:03:05] <pink_vampire> probing..
[10:03:49] <pink_vampire> on a different way
[10:03:54] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[10:08:36] <Roguish> pink_vampire: did you make the probe thing?
[10:08:46] <pink_vampire> yes
[10:08:54] <Roguish> very nice.
[10:09:28] <Roguish> how's that keyboard thing do? work ok?
[10:09:39] <pink_vampire> better then 0.01mm repeat
[10:09:57] <Roguish> your design? or one from the web somewhere?
[10:09:58] <pink_vampire> it's the cnc controller
[10:10:19] <pink_vampire> my design, everything is press fit
[10:10:45] <pink_vampire> and I even made the v block
[10:10:57] <Roguish> is it a 3 point contact arrangement? with ball contacts?
[10:12:26] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/E5PP0Je.png
[10:12:27] <pink_vampire> yes
[10:36:23] <witnit> pink_vampire: you sure have come a long ways since I first seen you join this room. you get more done with that little mill than some people with an entire shop at their fingertips
[10:38:56] <pink_vampire> witnit: thank you, I'm trying to do my best with what I have
[10:40:06] <Deejay> :)
[11:23:01] <IchGucksLive> hi
[11:23:38] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: are you on
[11:37:58] <pink_vampire> probe 8 inch above the table
[11:38:40] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: tjtr33 says Hello, he retired a couple years after you did
[11:39:12] <CaptHindsight> I have a feeling that he might be back again someday as well :)
[11:40:45] <IchGucksLive> cnc is drugg
[11:40:56] <IchGucksLive> yu might be falen in love forever
[11:41:14] <witnit> i love lamp
[11:49:52] <Roguish> pink_vampire: hey what type of mill is that? did you work it over, or is it box stock?
[11:50:48] <pink_vampire> it's the g0704
[11:51:57] <pink_vampire> i'm making some modifications to the head of the machine and i want to get is very acurate, so I end up probing the machine with the machine
[11:52:39] <IchGucksLive> thats cool
[11:53:00] <IchGucksLive> that type of mashine is best for sculpmilling
[11:53:14] <Roguish> is it lead screw or ball screw?
[11:53:17] <IchGucksLive> 5000mm/min at 0.01
[11:53:20] <pink_vampire> ball
[11:53:31] <IchGucksLive> with 400mm/sec Acc
[11:53:43] <IchGucksLive> fast and realy accurate
[11:53:54] <Roguish> did it come with ball screws or did you put them in?
[11:54:10] <pink_vampire> I put them
[11:54:18] <pink_vampire> and huge servos
[11:54:20] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/4eebqfD.png
[11:54:52] <Roguish> think you have enough motor?
[11:55:29] <Roguish> is that the control screen in the photo? i don't recognize it.
[11:56:36] <pink_vampire> in general people put nema 23 stepper motor 300 oz/in, i have name 34 servo 1125oz/in
[11:56:45] <pink_vampire> mach3
[11:56:49] <IchGucksLive> whow servos at 3000U/min
[11:57:03] <pink_vampire> U?
[11:57:08] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/yolDisB.png
[11:57:20] <IchGucksLive> oh no steppers with high torqu
[11:57:27] <pink_vampire> i can go as fast as 5000/min
[11:57:33] <Roguish> yeah, 34's are pretty big for that. but one can never have too much horsepower.
[11:57:38] <IchGucksLive> so i wood use a gearing 1,25
[11:57:45] <IchGucksLive> to meet the 400/5mm
[11:57:47] <pink_vampire> but the house can't handle the brake
[11:58:09] <IchGucksLive> gets 0.01per step at high speed
[11:58:36] <IchGucksLive> and the timingbelt 20/25 =1,25 Gear gives a smooth start
[11:58:42] <Roguish> the motors look like brushed dc, yes? what drives?
[11:58:48] <pink_vampire> in general i'm working 1000mm/min for the rapid on the x,y and 600-800 for the z axis
[11:58:55] <pink_vampire> yes
[11:59:11] <pink_vampire> it control by the g320x
[11:59:20] <Nick-Shop> Have a 7i49 with servo and resolver-at power up oscillates in position will move with up and down arrow while oscillating.Tried giving it more P but still the same. What do I have to change?
[11:59:44] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/yolDisB.png
[12:00:03] <pink_vampire> "setup"
[12:00:24] <witnit> nick what is your current pid?
[12:00:44] <Roguish> I found these. excellent value. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MGBD8Q4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[12:02:17] <Nick-Shop> current pid is 200
[12:02:48] <Nick-Shop> Had it down to 50 and the same
[12:03:15] <witnit> p=200 i=.5 d=1 see what happens?
[12:08:02] <Nick-Shop> oscillates at much shorter movements - sounds like a buzzing
[12:08:10] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: the fixing of the mesuretool i s qude hazard
[12:09:21] <IchGucksLive> im off
[12:09:39] <pink_vampire> why??
[12:11:42] <witnit> Nick-Shop: something I like to do is write a simple program which does something like o100repeat[50];x1;x0;x1;x0;g4p[2]o100endrepeat then using axis bring up the calibration tool and your o-scope. watch your position and commanded positions. also pay attention to your INI file it has three rather important variables to consider "ACCELERATION" "FERROR" "MIN FERROR" or something along those lines. knowing how each variable affects the servo is quite impo
[12:12:03] <Nick-Shop> Just cut pid to 100 and oscillation stopped but motor growls when moving. I guess I have some playing around to do. Thanks for the info
[12:12:09] <pink_vampire> witnit: what do you think about the setup here http://i.imgur.com/yolDisB.png
[12:12:33] <witnit> yeah, its super hard to explain, you really need to just play with it
[12:16:20] <Nick-Shop> Thank again Had a test stand with a motor and encoder to teat out the AMD drivers but didn't have this particular problem. Spent a lot of time playing around with tuning. that motor with 7 of these drivers to make sure they all worked.
[12:17:50] <Nick-Shop> my spelling is real lousy -(
[12:19:47] <witnit> ohh ahah pink, sometimes you have to do things in a funny way just to jig something up, its funny how awkward something can seem when you do it but after awhile you realize thats the conclusion everyone else comes to as well
[12:23:51] <witnit> looks like a proper setup imo, though instead of using so many step blocks I usually just put a tall block in and then use a small pair of steps, otherwise they all go tumbling to the ground when you loosen the bolt
[12:26:27] <pink_vampire> i don't have a large block so I used the stuff from the clamping kit
[12:26:34] <pink_vampire> it's very solid
[12:27:19] <witnit> crazy how well they stay in place once you lock them down, im just super clumsy and always drop them when I get to stacking too high
[12:28:06] <witnit> I should have some sort of a rubber mat around my mill, my parallels are constantly hitting concrete
[12:28:57] <pink_vampire> i have anti fatigue mat and wood floor
[12:44:31] <witnit> pink_vampire: I got my numbers crunched into excel on how to translate my two linear actuators & 26degree angle mess. now all I need to do is everything it takes to get those formulas into the...postprocessor?
[12:46:35] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure..
[12:52:25] <witnit> the formula is something like, if X axis = .2mm and Z axis = 1.5mm............ actuator A moves to 1.500 and actuator b moves 1.910 so... X axis = (.2*tangent)+Z
[12:53:36] <witnit> im bad with all the trig stuff now I have to figure out how to compile a new trivkins? or something. hahaha gwonna be a rough weel
[12:53:38] <witnit> week*
[13:13:31] <pink_vampire> I need some sleep..
[13:41:25] <witnit> do it to it
[13:43:01] <pjm> whatoh chaps, just updated my linuxcnc to 2.7.7 and am looking for hm2/7i43/SVST4_6S.BIT for the 3S200TQ144 fpga on the 7i43, anyone have a pointer to this ?
[13:48:01] <cradek> hostmot2-firmware-7i43-4: /lib/firmware/hm2/7i43-4/SVST4_6.BIT
[13:48:18] <cradek> I see a similar file in the hostmot2-firmware-7i43-4 package, but there's no S on it
[13:50:19] <witnit> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/hostmot2.html
[13:50:56] <witnit> the default bit files are expressed about halfway down this page
[13:51:28] <witnit> I dont see one with SVST4_6S simply SVST4_6
[13:54:33] <eeriegeek> hey, noobie trying to get things working, how do I get my z axis to move back up when it gets homed too low, is there a tool to jog the axis outside of the limits to re-home?
[13:54:50] <cradek> eeriegeek: on the menu, you can unhome it
[13:55:22] <eeriegeek> ah, cool, i'll try that
[13:55:38] <cradek> machine/unhoming/unhome axis Z
[13:59:54] <witnit> pjm your file is in here
[14:00:03] <witnit> pjm: http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/7i43.zip
[14:00:47] <witnit> pjm: in this folder 7i43/CONFIGS/HOSTMOT2/EPPHM2
[14:05:47] <eeriegeek> thanks, cradek, that worked, my machine plotted LinuxCNC ! woo hoo
[14:07:27] <cradek> sweet
[14:15:03] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon all
[14:16:23] <witnit> MacGalempsy: Gooooood afternoon to you sir
[14:30:11] <pjm> cradek, yeah thanks, i had to rtfm looks like some with changed filenames which causes the error, machine is now working
[14:30:44] <pjm> witnit, yep that contained the right file - thanks! having to massivly refresh my brain on this
[14:31:40] <MacGalempsy> witnit: you taking a day off, or working like a dog?
[14:46:48] <witnit> ohhh I wouldnt say I been working like a dog but I dig get some of my kinematics issues worked out
[14:47:26] <witnit> tangents and cosines and vectors, I didnt even know wth a vector was 9 hours ago
[14:47:32] <witnit> did*
[14:48:50] <MacGalempsy_> lol. talk about a crash course
[14:48:59] <MacGalempsy_> Direction and magnitude!
[14:49:53] <witnit> after I got the trig worked out I just dumped it all into excel and made a little plotter to keep track of my motions
[14:50:02] <witnit> line chart^
[14:53:19] <MacGalempsy_> SOH COH TOA
[14:53:26] <MacGalempsy_> SOH CAH TOA
[14:53:29] <MacGalempsy_> something like that
[14:53:37] <witnit> what did you call me? :P
[14:54:29] <MacGalempsy_> a pneumonic for SINE COSINE TANGENT
[14:54:57] <witnit> welp I guess im going to learn what pneumonic means today too
[14:55:23] <MacGalempsy_> its good to be learning new stuff everyday
[14:55:34] <witnit> well this is how its spelled :P mne·mon·ic
[14:55:58] <MacGalempsy_> :)
[15:01:19] <MacGalempsy_> I wuz speling fenetikallie
[15:01:44] <MacGalempsy_> huked on fonikz werkd 4 mee
[15:15:28] <Nick-Shop> Axis startup screen - what controls default jog speed? Looking to slow it down
[15:16:00] <witnit> see your INI file
[15:17:24] <witnit> check this too your assumptions on what to adjust http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:AXIS-section
[15:18:16] <witnit> to*^
[15:18:56] <Nick-Shop> I see that - what line is controlling jog speed. found max velocity control but not jog max - will look at the link
[15:19:45] <witnit> oh jog is above i believe
[15:20:17] <witnit> maybe section 2.2?
[15:25:30] <Nick-Shop> changing default velocity does change jog speed - got to play with the #'s
[15:25:58] <Nick-Shop> wish they would keep the terms the same
[15:26:16] <witnit> welcome to the opensource community
[15:26:36] <Nick-Shop> great -)
[15:26:38] <MacGalempsy> who is "they"? the russians?
[15:27:09] <rob_h> its in TRAJ section,
[15:27:09] <rob_h> DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 0.0167 - The initial rate for jogs of linear axes, in machine units per second. The value shown in Axis equals machine units per minute.
[15:27:47] <Nick-Shop> mabe martians- what to slow us down or make us crazy
[15:28:05] <Nick-Shop> want
[15:29:41] <MacGalempsy> I think I just saw it all. The Harbor Frieght ad is doing a pepsi challenge with snap-on, and it wins! lol
[15:30:44] <jdh> snap on isn't so great
[15:31:55] <Nick-Shop> I set it at 0.3 which gives me 17.8 in/min - I can up it a little. Now I have to finish connecting up Z axis so I can home the machine , then I can start tuning tings. Another hair puller I'm sure. Thanks for the help
[15:34:52] <witnit> gl
[15:37:39] <MacGalempsy> jdh: it is hands down better than harbor frienght
[15:37:56] <gregcnc> what were they testing?
[15:38:21] <MacGalempsy> floor jack
[15:39:56] <MacGalempsy> gregcnc: the Daytona looks like a knockoff of the snapon
[15:40:15] <gregcnc> may even come out of the same factory
[15:40:18] <gregcnc> who knows
[15:40:54] <MacGalempsy> all snapon stuff use to be made in the US, but this one does not say
[15:41:35] <MacGalempsy> here is the difference. snapon you can get repair parts
[15:41:48] <gregcnc> "Assembled and Tested in USA"
[15:41:56] <MacGalempsy> $555.50 vs $179.99
[15:41:57] <gregcnc> sure for the price of a new HF jack
[15:42:28] <MacGalempsy> i do admit owning a harbor freight $99 jack that came with jackstands
[15:43:20] <MacGalempsy> gregcnc: does that mean the snapon truck drive puts the handle on and gives it a few pumps? lol
[15:44:07] <gregcnc> I happen to know where some of their handtools are made, right outside chicago
[15:48:18] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, with HF you can make repair parts
[15:48:40] <gregcnc> maybe parts the need repair
[15:49:35] <Crom> sheeshz.... it said it was at -6.4mm it was actually at -2.77mm so I drilled a hole where it steps down in Z and another at a location I've had problems with
[15:50:11] <Crom> and changed the bit
[15:50:17] <Crom> err end mill
[15:51:12] <witnit> how?
[15:51:53] <Crom> 3040's really blow on AL
[15:52:10] <Crom> at least with 6mm and bigger end mills
[15:53:24] <witnit> oh, I thought maybe the tool pushed back in the collet or missing steps
[15:53:36] <Crom> missing steps
[15:54:30] <Crom> I've been having missing steps in Y, didn't realize I also had them in Z... X has been a troupers hasn't lost a step I can see
[15:54:48] <witnit> would it be worth it to add encoders?
[15:55:25] <Crom> interm machine... just gonna convert a ZX45 bolton tool to CNC and use clearpath servo
[15:55:26] <Crom> 's
[15:55:43] <witnit> sounds much better
[15:56:04] <Crom> 3040 is fine for plastic or wood
[15:56:14] <Crom> or playdough
[15:56:42] <Crom> 70mm of Z sucks
[16:03:29] <witnit> Crom: how about this for a fun mill conversion? =d
[16:04:53] <witnit> I bet that could handle aluminum
[16:08:12] <gregcnc> one day, witnit will post the link to this mill....;-)
[16:08:58] <witnit> I was just building suspense of course
[16:09:00] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-45-Van-Norman-Vertical-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-Model-22L-/381620265248?hash=item58da572120:g:hnkAAOSwKfVXJ9oq
[16:10:16] <witnit> tis a silly spindle tho
[16:13:00] <gregcnc> I was thinking something more like www.ebay.com/itm/172354006800
[16:13:25] <witnit> we have a winner
[16:14:09] <witnit> not much good for milling is it?
[16:14:20] <Duc_main> Odd Gecko only recommends power supplys between 15-80v DC. I need to run it on 12v
[16:14:26] <witnit> are those highspeed drill?
[16:22:13] <Deejay> gn8
[16:24:21] <Duc_main> witnit: which thing
[16:46:56] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: finally see overall area of your workspace lol. looks nice!
[16:47:15] <andypugh> didn’t see that
[16:47:33] <andypugh> My workspace is unsatisfactory :-)
[16:48:23] <andypugh> It’s just a small garage. :-(
[16:48:38] <XXCoder> I dont even have that
[16:48:45] <XXCoder> my cnc router is in second living room
[16:48:54] <andypugh> My Minor was liberally besmeared with red Hermetite on all sealing surfaces. And some non-sealing surfaces too.
[16:49:07] <andypugh> Wierd, whre did that paste come from>
[16:49:21] <andypugh> I meant: https://goo.gl/photos/UZdbmMDQs3os9oHY7
[16:49:41] <XXCoder> thats... roomy. lol
[16:52:49] <Duc_main> ouch
[16:53:02] <Duc_main> I always expect you to have a bigger place andypugh
[16:57:14] <andypugh> To elaborate on the previous paste, because besmearing minors with anything sounds a bit perverted. It’s a Holbrook Minor lathe
[16:59:09] <andypugh> I thought that Albrecht chucks were expensive until I found Llambrich!
[17:00:01] <XXCoder> theres always something more expensive heh
[17:00:09] <XXCoder> there is only one exception
[17:00:31] <Duc_main> when thousands count for repeatability, its worth it
[17:01:06] <Duc_main> .001s
[17:05:25] <andypugh> XXCoder: I have a lathe in my only living-room. But it’s a pretty lathe
[17:05:39] <XXCoder> fancy. show or?
[17:06:35] <andypugh> Actually pink_vampire: Do you think that this is a pretty lathe? https://goo.gl/photos/P4pUqzTxhen4Ts7u8
[17:07:05] <witnit> Duc_main: the brother machine
[17:22:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the lathe looks cute
[17:23:56] <andypugh> Yes! 100% of girls who have seen my lathe think that it looks nice. That’s a sample of 4 now. Not at all carefully selected, Oh no.
[17:24:53] <pink_vampire> it's look old style
[17:26:01] <andypugh> Yes, it was made in 1938, but the design goes back to 1922
[17:29:46] <Loetmichel> is that a clockmakers lathe?
[17:30:07] <pink_vampire> I didn't like the buttons.
[17:32:30] <andypugh> It’s actually a pretty big lathe.
[17:32:43] <andypugh> 9” swing
[17:33:14] <andypugh> pink_vampire: No, I am not super-fond of the buttons. I would like to find some that are more in-keeping.
[17:41:17] <pink_vampire> you need old style buttons
[17:41:54] <witnit> sweet elevator buttons https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/25/32/4d/25324d894952fd49b8e2b6bc7825df09.jpg
[17:42:15] <andypugh> Those are nice buttons
[17:42:46] <witnit> i google "old elevator buttons" they were the only thing that came to mind that would be fitting
[17:43:06] <andypugh> Probably too big top-to-bottom
[17:46:55] <andypugh> I wonder if this will work out? Some Dutch chaps want to make this into a _huge_ Hackspace: https://www.biedboek.nl/en/realestate/view/78/wilhelminastraat-16-in-arnhem
[17:50:37] <witnit> gwonna say no "In connection with accommodating asylum seekers/refugees in this object, sale has been suspended indefinitely."
[17:51:17] <andypugh> Indefinitely does not mean “for ever”
[17:52:41] <witnit> I would rent it out EXACTLY how it is to people like a giant hotel
[17:54:05] <andypugh> That’s partly the plan the hackspace has, rent the cells out cheap to visitors and event attendees
[17:58:31] <witnit> I would charge every person $5 per night with it doubling everyday thereafter to keep the squaters down
[18:35:57] <andypugh> I wonder if this is as good as the advert? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haPvuhznuyI
[18:36:53] <Tom_itx> mythbusters made a bridge with it
[18:37:23] <andypugh> Duct Tape or the product being advertised?
[18:37:31] <Tom_itx> duct tape
[18:37:39] <Tom_itx> no sound here
[18:37:44] <Tom_itx> can't tell what they're selling
[18:37:52] <andypugh> The ad is for something 100x stronger (allegedly)
[18:38:12] <andypugh> it won’t work without sound, not at all.
[18:38:14] <Tom_itx> maybe it uses kevlar cloth
[18:41:04] <Cromaglious_> said to heck with it.. just ordered 4 4mmx4mm shank 12mm loc 75mm oal carbide 2flute end mills
[18:47:16] <Cromaglious_> well 2 4mm and 2 3mm
[18:49:39] <Cromaglious_> hmmm 50mm long would have worked...
[18:50:46] <Cromaglious_> which they didn't have
[18:54:55] <Cromaglious_> 4 flue 6mm HSS end mills hardly cut... the 3040 Z stage is deflecting like 3mm
[18:56:51] <FloppyDisk525> ugh, my joystick/joypad was wigging out axis, it was frustrating and unnerviing...
[18:57:01] <MacGalempsy_> Cromaglious_: what depth of cut are you making?
[18:57:17] <FloppyDisk525> thougth it was the keyboard, rebooted 2x, but finally tracked, back to cutting...
[18:57:31] <Cromaglious_> like .2mm with .4 width of cut
[18:57:58] <FloppyDisk525> One of them USB game joysticks. think one of the inputs is not centered at 0 or floated away so 'always' trying to jog.
[19:00:45] <Cromaglious_> 3040 is not stout enough to drive the cutters at the speed you need to get the doc per tooth... and the spindle doesn't go slow enough
[19:01:24] <Cromaglious_> I'm going to have to build a reduction pulley set to get the cutter slow enough
[19:02:03] <Cromaglious_> with a 12K I think I'm going to have to have at least 6:1 reduction
[19:11:00] <MacGalempsy_> wow that is like 0.007"
[19:11:06] <MacGalempsy_> almost 0.008"
[19:11:24] <MacGalempsy_> i can only make 0.02" depth cut on mine
[19:11:59] <MacGalempsy_> have you tried carbide?
[19:12:35] <Cromaglious_> just ordered some... I have some 1/8" carbide... tooo short to do the bottom of the trigger pocket
[19:14:09] <Cromaglious_> with the 1/8" I was doing .5mm DOC and 1mm stepover
[19:18:16] <Cromaglious_> thinking of getting a collet chuck with a 200mm long straight shaft. cut some snap ring groves, make a 52mm outside what ever inside sleeve to hold the bearings and I can mount it in the 3040 spindle holder, I can mount a pulley on there and make another mount for the spindle motor to drive that pulley and get a 6:1 reduction
[19:18:22] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious_: are you doing any initial removal prior to you cuts?
[19:18:59] <Cromaglious_> with the 1/8" nope. with the 6mm I ended up drilling a hole where it steps down
[19:19:04] <MacGalempsy> was this a 80% or from a raw billet?
[19:19:10] <Cromaglious_> 80%
[19:21:22] <andypugh> Crom: I have made spindle-like things that way. It works a treat.
[19:21:43] <Cromaglious_> and with the 3mm I can to the side holes as well
[19:21:43] <andypugh> I plan on making a speeder that way
[19:21:47] <Polymorphism> gahhhhhh
[19:21:50] <Polymorphism> why didnt I get the 6040
[19:22:00] <Cromaglious_> andypugh, I think I was looking at pictures of one of yours
[19:22:23] <andypugh> Polymorphism: Which did you get? I have forgotten which one we told you to get
[19:22:38] <Cromaglious_> 6090! with a 2.2KW spindle... swap out the steppers for clearpath servo's
[19:23:04] <Polymorphism> there were different suggestions, I ended up getting the xzero raptor mini but couldnt get it aligned and no longer have time, I'm trying to find a shop that will finish mechanical assembly and then I'll do the electronics and get to making chips
[19:23:12] <Polymorphism> I dont want it to be a total loss of nearly 4 grand
[19:23:22] <andypugh> 89 watchers on my eBay auction. I wonder if they intend to bid or are just curious?
[19:23:27] <Polymorphism> especially now that I'm pricing out a new guitar and wishing I hadnt wasted so much on this pile of parts
[19:23:32] <Polymorphism> @_@
[19:23:45] <Cromaglious_> I need to find some stock to make the bearing sleeve out of
[19:24:09] <andypugh> Polymorphism: Where are you?
[19:24:50] <Polymorphism> new england USA
[19:26:34] <Cromaglious_> gun freindly zone or gun free zone?
[19:26:54] <andypugh> John Thornton does LinuxCNC stuf for money, but he is in Missouri (I think)
[19:27:14] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious_: have you tried to do a 1911 yet?
[19:27:30] <andypugh> We used to have a map which let you find local users.
[19:27:51] <Cromaglious_> gonna wait until I get a real mill
[19:28:10] <Polymorphism> Crom, friendly
[19:28:19] <MacGalempsy> why not make small stuff with the machine you have then buy a bigger machine with the profits?
[19:28:41] <MacGalempsy> went to a craft show today and there were all kinds of wood stuff that people were buying
[19:29:56] <andypugh> Hang on! You can make things for money? I
[19:29:57] <Cromaglious_> well until I finish the lower I'm not moving it
[19:30:16] <MacGalempsy> hahahaha. I didnt realize that until today :0
[19:30:40] <Polymorphism> a 1911 lower... hmm
[19:30:47] <andypugh> I have a terrible business model. I make motorcycle spares at a small loss and don’t charge for my time
[19:30:49] <Polymorphism> why not a glock lower
[19:30:56] <MacGalempsy> I think they just call that a frame when its a pistol
[19:30:57] <Cromaglious_> you can make things... iot'sfinding the avenues to receive money for them
[19:31:19] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: sounds like the need for a marketing strategy
[19:32:02] <Cromaglious_> andy how many are there existing still of your motor cycle?
[19:32:36] <andypugh> Literally dozens
[19:33:40] <andypugh> I managed to sell 30 sprokckets in a week on eBay, but knew better than to make another 30 :-)
[19:34:14] <MacGalempsy> any update on your mill going for more than it should?
[19:35:08] <andypugh> No, it has stalled at 830. But I know there will be at least one snipe at 1500. The guy who came to look said he would,
[19:35:54] <andypugh> The 89 watchers must be a few snipers
[19:36:04] <MacGalempsy> nice. you have a lot of tooling with it, so that is a good price
[19:36:48] <andypugh> Yes, for a complete package you can plug in and use I guess it has a certain value.
[19:37:24] <MacGalempsy> for sure, mine box took 3 years to finally get going, but that was coming in as a repcrapper
[19:37:43] <MacGalempsy> zero lcnc skills.
[19:37:54] <andypugh> I thought I was being optimistic at 1k, but the chap who actually came to look offered 1500 cash
[19:38:16] <MacGalempsy> shit, pull the auction and sell
[19:38:42] <andypugh> Not my style. I _hate_ it when that happens from the other side
[19:40:29] <andypugh> Like I have bid 20 and sniped 50 and the current bid is still 99p. Then the “Item is no longer available”
[19:43:01] <andypugh> Had a wierd one a few weeks ago. Lovely machinist level, wrong section, miss-spelled Bid £50. Only bidder, went for 99p. The seller never even returned a single email. I should have got a friend to shill-bid to £25.
[19:43:59] <andypugh> It’s a broken system if _buyers_ feel the need for shill-bidders
[19:44:19] <MacGalempsy> all you can do is negative feedback
[19:44:50] <MacGalempsy> i had that happen with some dishes once, I won the set at $199 and it was like $4000 in fine china
[19:45:06] <MacGalempsy> took a while to get the cash back
[19:45:54] <andypugh> I got my 99p back. But I wanted the level. I even emailed the seller saying “I know it is not worth your time sending at 99p, I wil give you £27”
[19:47:05] <MacGalempsy_> what is the next machine you have in mind?
[19:56:47] <andypugh> MacGalempsy_: Probably a printer
[19:57:46] <MacGalempsy_> cool. delta or cartesian?
[19:58:05] <andypugh> Probaly CoreXY and sand-moulds
[19:58:38] <MacGalempsy_> lost pla casting?
[19:59:37] <andypugh> No, printing sand for cast iron moulds
[20:00:46] <Erant> Huh. What kind of head does that take?
[20:00:59] <Erant> Or is it a glue head printing onto a bed?
[20:01:06] <gregcnc> like this https://youtu.be/ptUj8JRAYu8?t=2m47s
[20:01:38] <andypugh> No idea, it’s all theoretical stil
[20:02:44] <MacGalempsy_> might as well make a SLS printer
[20:03:19] <andypugh> My interest is cylinder blocks for pre-1920 vehicles
[20:03:55] <gregcnc> that's a large print volume
[20:04:00] <andypugh> Yes
[20:04:48] <andypugh> As we are typically talking 6 to 10 litre 4-cylinder engines
[20:05:10] <MattyMatt__> maybe you could do powder printer using clean sand and waterglass as binder
[20:05:19] <gregcnc> bigger than i thought
[20:05:37] <MacGalempsy_> have you seen the lost foam method?
[20:05:45] <gregcnc> wouln't milling be easier
[20:05:48] <andypugh> MattyMatt__: Yes, that’s where I am
[20:06:15] <MattyMatt__> cool
[20:06:17] <MacGalempsy_> with foam you could make a 6dof mill and not worry about deflection
[20:07:27] <andypugh> MacGalempsy_: These are complicated parts. Water jackets and ports. Making the foam mattern is super-hard
[20:08:17] <gregcnc> mulitple parts that fit together
[20:08:21] <MacGalempsy_> what came to mind was making lots of small foam and gluing together
[20:08:37] <MacGalempsy_> probably still have to use cores
[20:08:52] <gregcnc> where will you put it?
[20:09:00] <MacGalempsy_> sand cores
[20:09:05] <andypugh> No idea.
[20:09:07] <MacGalempsy_> inside the foam
[20:09:47] <MacGalempsy_> anyways, just a thought, you are the genius around here though :)
[20:10:04] <MattyMatt__> that's a lot of iron. are you gonna melt it yourself?
[20:10:05] <andypugh> Interesting thing: For the oil-cooling channels inside pistons they use salt cores, not sand cores. They wash out with water.
[20:10:10] <gregcnc> where will the designs come from? to you have originals to scan or model from prints/images?
[20:10:50] <andypugh> Scan / measure / model originals
[20:11:44] <gregcnc> if you build one of these I visit for the start up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlPbhGeMu4U
[20:12:51] <MacGalempsy_> does anyone in here use the probe scanning ngc file?
[20:13:33] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc: hell ya, I'd come too
[20:13:34] <MattyMatt__> if you're taking it to a foundry, they'd probably be happiest with tradional wood forms
[20:16:09] * MattyMatt__ imagines crucible needed for 10 litre engine block
[20:16:24] <andypugh> Yes, but making the patterns is a _ton_ of work
[20:16:46] <gregcnc> USPS has post offices in the UK?
[20:17:01] <MattyMatt__> maybe on USAF bases
[20:17:11] <Cromaglious_> embassy
[20:17:40] <gregcnc> dunno, guy i'm trying to buy some castings from says he has one nearby
[20:18:15] <andypugh> We were starting to think about it. But there is the outer shape pattern, then the combustion chamber core box, the inlet core box x2, exuast x2, water jacket core (very complicated)
[20:18:52] <andypugh> MattyMatt__: These engines are typically cast in pairs or singles
[20:20:00] <MattyMatt__> wood can be cnc milled, so I'm guessing the cad is still the bulk of the work
[20:20:48] <MattyMatt__> but then you could print PLA and eith do lost PLA or use the PLA like wood patterns
[20:20:58] <andypugh> Well, we were going that way, and then something incredible happpened. http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13636-1908-Dennis-Truck&p=470378#post470378
[20:22:09] <gregcnc> not often a century old engine turns up
[20:24:49] <andypugh> Yes, when I saw the post it was a midnight-text to Ben. He been looking for 10 years.
[20:25:09] <MattyMatt__> this is why I want to make a BIG 3d scanner turntable
[20:25:50] <andypugh> It’s amazing, he can now offer-up parts and go “Ah, _thats_ what those holes are for.
[20:26:28] <andypugh> For context, if you go back to post 1, this is a chassis that someone found under their house.
[20:27:34] <andypugh> And for context: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/federal/federal-00001.html
[20:27:55] <andypugh> Ben’s machine was sold in 1908.
[20:29:22] <MattyMatt__> ah so that frame is part of the original chassis. I thought it was fabricobbled from bedsteads to make a static engine
[20:29:36] <andypugh> I actually have bo idea why they think that their 1909 is the oldest truck in the world, there is an 1899 De Dion. But the 1908 is definitely the oldest Dennis truck.
[20:30:16] <andypugh> MattyMatt__: The frame the engine was on originally was part of a fire pump.
[20:30:48] <andypugh> But Ben extracted a complete 1908 chassis from under a house.
[20:31:01] <MattyMatt__> when did vehicle registration start? if you made a full repo could they prove it?
[20:31:26] <andypugh> (and he has checked the numbers, and it is a 1908 engine)
[20:32:03] <andypugh> It’s pre-V5, but there are factory records etc.
[20:32:16] <MattyMatt__> did they find a skeleton holding a red flag? :)
[20:32:34] <andypugh> It’s post red-flag.
[20:34:54] <andypugh> The red flag wasn’t needed after 1896 (brought in in 1865, removed 1896) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts
[20:35:13] <MattyMatt__> aww doubleboost was in town last week
[20:35:31] <MattyMatt__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmMqq6UaOw
[20:36:12] <gregcnc> must have looked like this at one point http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2016/08/housevan.jpg
[20:36:14] <MattyMatt__> a steam truck just like his came from the docks here
[20:38:11] <andypugh> I spent today working on http://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/blog/mascots/2013/02/11/clementine/
[20:39:11] <MattyMatt__> gregcnc, that's lost the most architecturally interesting part of that van, the windscreen
[20:39:21] <andypugh> The students rolled it onto it’s side during the summer. (to be fait, it has a high CofG and the tyres are better than they should be.
[20:40:20] <gregcnc> the driver be of similar vintage as the truck, then things like that won't happen
[20:44:52] <andypugh> I only just noticed. AvE is subsribed to my channel on Youtube.
[20:45:25] <andypugh> Does that make me “almost famous” ?
[20:45:26] <gregcnc> i need to make more videos i feel like disappointing those subscribed
[20:46:12] <gregcnc> like i am disappointing
[20:46:39] <andypugh> I understand the feeling
[20:47:23] <gregcnc> i have like 5700 subscribed and haven't made a video in over a year
[20:47:43] <andypugh> Though I only have 500 subs, so it doesn’t worry me that much
[20:48:21] <andypugh> Yeah, your 5000 feels a lot more like an audience than mine.
[20:48:50] <gregcnc> i have one hit video, that appeals to any gearhead
[20:48:52] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: on youtubes?
[20:48:56] <gregcnc> yes
[20:49:05] <CaptHindsight> same nick?
[20:49:17] <gregcnc> rcdieselrc
[20:49:50] <MacGalempsy> lol. one hut wonder
[20:49:54] <MacGalempsy> hit
[20:50:30] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: is that old machine fest this weekend?
[20:50:39] <gregcnc> yes, i skipped
[20:51:29] <gregcnc> this happend too http://www.ironinvasion.com/ though it's not my style
[20:51:56] <gregcnc> stiull would have been fun
[20:52:21] <CaptHindsight> I saw lots of hot rods heading south on rt47 today
[20:52:33] <CaptHindsight> they must have bee leaving
[20:53:51] <andypugh> gregcnc: 3,000,000 views at .1 cents per view, you could be a hundredaire!
[20:54:19] <gregcnc> a little more
[20:54:49] <gregcnc> I can't explain what's so interesting about the video
[20:54:53] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: was also http://www.irm.org/ Bus Day
[20:55:21] <gregcnc> bus day.. hmmm
[20:56:06] <CaptHindsight> Trolley Bus rides
[20:56:13] <andypugh> gregcnc: Have you sen this site? http://www.f1-2000.co.uk
[20:56:23] <CaptHindsight> when buses were buses
[20:56:31] <gregcnc> yes, I too would like a few more detials on those injectors
[20:56:33] <andypugh> (Look at the conrods)
[20:56:53] <gregcnc> The rods are wonderful too.
[20:57:30] <gregcnc> my wife want to go karting https://www.k1speed.com
[20:58:19] <andypugh> Workshop-envy, his workshop is the block near the pool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mbqOE8Y-0Q (that’s f1-2000 man)
[20:58:22] <gregcnc> I wrote to roger about the HSK tooling he was using on the hardinge
[21:00:34] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: if you land short and end up in the corn or soy do you get it or is it combine food?
[21:01:42] <gregcnc> you go looking for it and 90% of the time you find it. Sometimes the farmer puts it on the field at harvest, sometime it just what came out of tack end of the combine, but that hasn't happend in years
[21:02:13] <gregcnc> these days someone with a quad will search when it isn't found by foot
[21:02:35] <CaptHindsight> is that field owned by the farm?
[21:02:38] <andypugh> (you might be able to see how he can affod HSK tooling)
[21:02:47] <gregcnc> quad copter not wheeler
[21:03:05] <gregcnc> we rent it for now
[21:03:37] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I was looking at a building near that field. No high speed internet :(
[21:04:47] <gregcnc> yeah id' like to move to the more rural area like that , btu would probably lose my mind with dial up or satellite
[21:05:08] <CaptHindsight> comcast is 100 yards away
[21:05:10] <gregcnc> andypugh does he doe related work in real world?
[21:05:14] <andypugh> gregcnc: Karting is great fun, but it takes a whole to get used to the grip. Corner till it hurts, then a bit more
[21:05:38] <andypugh> gregcnc: No, he has a network cabling company
[21:06:07] <gregcnc> I did indoor some years ago. gas karts. I think this place has electric.
[21:06:37] <gregcnc> well time for movie with wife
[21:06:53] <andypugh> Modern electrics are probably faster
[21:07:00] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: making or watching? :)
[21:07:11] <andypugh> (indoors, at least)
[21:07:39] <gregcnc> lol, watching tonight
[21:07:39] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Rude, but funny.
[21:14:27] <JT-Mobile> zlog
[22:17:30] <Crom> well today I actually got 2mm more cut... I'll be glad when the 3mm carbide endmills get here
[22:38:05] <Kevin`> Crom: do you have some single-flute endmills? that's helpful if you need to have a high spindle speed and low feed speed, and always helpful on aluminum for chip clearing
[23:42:08] <Crom> I have single flute engravers
[23:45:54] <Crom> looking for 3mm shank 3mm endmill single flute on fleabay
[23:48:10] <Crom> $26USD http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-3MM-X-3-175MM-X-38MM-SINGLE-FLUTE-HRC40-CUTTING-SOLID-CARBIDE-FLAT-ENDMILL-/182224164091?hash=item2a6d6814fb:g:insAAOSwBahVD375
[23:48:48] <Crom> little short... I really need something longer than 63mm
[23:50:43] <Crom> well I spent my ebay $20 for the month...