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[00:09:33] <Kevin`> speed control or power control.. is there any feedback on that to keep a set speed?
[00:15:54] <FloppyDisk525> How do you reload the tool table (while running Axis)? Either the editor or the file dropdown the reload command is grayed out.
[00:16:41] <FloppyDisk525> I found some lcnc forum posts, but people either commented out the load tool from the gcode or didn't answer...
[00:16:57] <FloppyDisk525> ie g43 txx M6
[00:19:26] <FloppyDisk525> Hmmm, the fine print, I might have found it, will go try it:
[00:19:27] <FloppyDisk525> With the axis GUI, both the file and the current tool table data used by LinuxCNC can be updated with the ReloadTable button. This button is enabled only when the machine is ON and IDLE.
[00:20:14] <FloppyDisk525> I think I tried it w/ the machine off and the estop off.
[00:24:05] <pink_vampire> what is the maximum file size in grbl?
[00:28:10] <Kevin`> does grbl load files? from what, sd card?
[00:32:09] <FloppyDisk525> tool table reloaded - per instructions, machine must be ON... And, then my program would load:-) I'm back to machining!
[00:53:31] <Erant> I wonder what the odds are of me successfully hand-grinding the middle portion of a 5/16" endmill to a concentric 1/8" width.
[00:53:40] <Erant> I'm going with, euh, slim to none.
[00:54:24] <Kevin`> spin the endmill instead of or in addition to your grinding tool
[00:57:31] <Erant> Yeah, I might chuck it up. Or I could put it in the lathe and just take a really coarse stone to it or something.
[01:00:58] <Erant> But I'll probably decide to just make it from scratch instead from O-1. Just needs to survive one operation in aluminum...
[01:10:48] <pink_vampire> i have issue with 3d machining files
[01:11:04] <pink_vampire> about 400,000 lines and up
[01:11:18] <pink_vampire> mach3 load them wrong
[01:23:17] <Erant> Sounds like you shouldn't use mach3
[01:28:47] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[01:29:04] <XXCoder> 400k I wonder if it reached memory limit or something for processing gcode
[01:29:13] <Kevin`> yeah, easy solution there pink_vampire, use linuxcnc instead =p
[01:29:34] <pink_vampire> Kevin`: do you have skype?
[01:29:41] <Erant> The limit's not uncommon, and Mach3's getting up there.
[01:29:47] <Erant> Age-wise
[01:29:53] <Kevin`> yes, but I don't normally have it running
[01:31:55] <pink_vampire> i need some help with the linux cnc setup
[01:33:05] <Kevin`> I'm probably not the best person to ask.. I do have it working, but I mostly just used the cd installer and io setup wizard
[01:34:08] <pink_vampire> i mean to setup the probe
[01:52:24] <IchGucksLive> good morning from germany
[01:52:34] <IchGucksLive> sunrise a cool sunny day
[01:52:41] <XXCoder> hey
[01:53:11] <pink_vampire> hii
[01:53:29] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: why spo many lines
[01:53:48] <pink_vampire> 3d
[01:53:52] <IchGucksLive> is it a rotation mashining
[01:54:20] <IchGucksLive> wrong tool for the part
[01:54:31] <XXCoder> wild guess curved part. that tend to grow lines like crazy
[01:54:36] <IchGucksLive> or limply wrong path distance
[01:55:01] <XXCoder> had few jobs there there is hundred of thousands lines because its cutting curved surface
[01:55:16] <XXCoder> ball em cutting over and over..., creating curve surface
[01:56:21] <XXCoder> largest i have ever seen was over million lines
[01:56:27] <XXCoder> it was.. very long
[01:56:32] <IchGucksLive> Yesterdays part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht7CzTklUEk
[01:56:43] <IchGucksLive> 16k lines rouph and finish
[01:56:52] <XXCoder> nice
[01:57:06] <XXCoder> always wanted 4th axis for my machine but my machine has only 3 inches height lol
[01:57:25] <IchGucksLive> not more on that
[01:57:34] <IchGucksLive> 80mm
[01:57:52] <XXCoder> heh seems thats 3.15 inch approx
[01:58:08] <IchGucksLive> 4th axis center 35 above table
[01:58:11] <XXCoder> magic cnc maschines your channel?
[01:58:23] <IchGucksLive> yes
[01:58:52] <XXCoder> interesting heart pics lol
[01:58:56] <XXCoder> *videos
[01:59:13] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: is it posible to get the 3D part file so i can check with line reducing
[01:59:38] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: its for a wedding vid
[01:59:47] <IchGucksLive> made in blender pysics
[02:01:22] <XXCoder> cool
[02:01:59] <XXCoder> trying dala horses lets see if they taste any good
[02:02:49] <IchGucksLive> they are from sweden arent they
[02:03:37] <XXCoder> yup
[02:03:42] <XXCoder> theyre not bad
[02:05:26] <IchGucksLive> here next to us is a choclat facrory production line they make 20-40tonns of easterbunnys or x-mas mans a day
[02:06:23] <IchGucksLive> in there outlet you can buy frech easter bunnys 1week bevor x-mas
[02:08:16] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: are you in europ
[02:08:32] <XXCoder> heck no
[02:08:34] <XXCoder> \west usa
[02:09:14] <XXCoder> there is one of very few places i can buy eurpean candy and stuff
[02:09:15] <IchGucksLive> there are geard steppers at 27:1 also in the usa its a Nma17 so with 50usd you are up with your 4th axis
[02:09:16] <XXCoder> its at ikea
[02:09:36] <XXCoder> nema17 + 27:1 ratio gearing eh
[02:10:14] <IchGucksLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-Ship-27-1-Planetary-Gearbox-Nema-17-Stepper-Motor-0-4A-DIY-CNC-Robot-Camera-/231657603766?hash=item35efde82b6
[02:10:31] <IchGucksLive> they are for low cost robot
[02:10:36] <XXCoder> not bad
[02:10:41] <IchGucksLive> i see also 47:1
[02:10:49] <archivist> junk, backlash
[02:10:53] <XXCoder> though my machine is still "spindless" and gonna figure what to do
[02:11:48] <IchGucksLive> archivist AGREE
[02:12:04] <IchGucksLive> but it workes for the sculps
[02:12:20] <IchGucksLive> and in sika400 almost no problem
[02:12:56] <IchGucksLive> archivist do you got better ones in the bay
[02:13:18] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: stay with them
[02:13:36] <IchGucksLive> TR is good and ballscrew is amazing
[02:13:38] <XXCoder> stay with them what?
[02:14:03] <IchGucksLive> i see prices dropt to almost half in the last 2years ive been off
[02:14:13] <IchGucksLive> spindlees
[02:14:23] <archivist> belt drive
[02:15:00] <XXCoder> yeah im trying to figure how to setup so tb6560 (or newer tb6600) so it can control spindle, cheaply
[02:15:05] <archivist> better still is a rotary table like vertex with added stepper
[02:15:30] <IchGucksLive> vertex is the manufacture
[02:17:47] <IchGucksLive> ok agree on that but at that price i stay with the backlash stepper and only 1 hole to drill
[02:17:57] <IchGucksLive> for mounting them
[02:20:29] <XXCoder> archivist: though on 4th can cheat a little and never backtrack. just rotate and cut and rotate so on
[02:20:39] <XXCoder> so backlash does not come into this
[02:21:03] <XXCoder> if something needed back and forth then it likely has issues
[02:26:57] <archivist> XXCoder, that is only possible if you dont climb mill
[02:27:18] <XXCoder> hmm
[02:27:35] <archivist> which cam software is particularly bad at, you have to hand code
[02:28:35] <IchGucksLive> in almost every cam you can choos climb or conventionell
[02:29:23] <IchGucksLive> ok im off hiking that wonderfull indian summer day
[02:29:32] <XXCoder> later
[02:37:40] <Deejay> moin
[03:36:06] <sync> archivist: huh, you can always just specifiy to just do climb or conventional
[03:38:06] <archivist> try using a rotary and keeping to one side, especially when the cuts are angular, too simplistic and changing direction
[03:54:55] <sync> yup, works fine
[03:55:36] <XXCoder> right now its all abstract, my machine dont have spindle atm
[04:08:27] <XXCoder> so why your em snapped pink
[04:08:29] <XXCoder> pink_vampire:
[04:16:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i know i have about 30 brand new end mills in the box here (some ware)
[04:17:26] <XXCoder> yeah? cool. though what caused tool to break?
[04:17:50] <pink_vampire> pile of chips in the slot
[04:18:39] <XXCoder> doh yeah need little bit cooling and lubcation. alum can act like gummy under certain conditions it seems.
[04:19:38] <pink_vampire> i know
[04:19:46] <pink_vampire> but it's in the house
[04:19:59] <XXCoder> little bit of wd40 dont tend to do much
[04:20:41] <pink_vampire> smellll
[04:21:05] <Deejay> wd40 is best deodorant
[04:23:25] <pink_vampire> o_o
[04:23:58] <XXCoder> everything in universe smells same to me
[04:24:09] <XXCoder> from stunk spray to world's best smell
[05:39:03] <jthornton> morning
[05:40:38] <XXCoder> yo
[06:28:04] <jthornton> zlog
[07:12:38] <Tom_itx> more rain.
[07:13:03] <XXCoder> you win all the rain!
[07:32:28] <Deejay> i want some rain, too
[07:32:46] <XXCoder> sorry tom won all of that
[07:33:11] <XXCoder> hmm might be a problem later on. eh whatever im sure tom am willing to travel around world so rest of us gets rain
[07:42:39] <Deejay> :)
[07:43:09] <XXCoder> http://img1.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-blow-job-xbox-360-cartridge-548829.jpeg
[07:49:24] <bilbocnc> Anybody awake? Looking for some advice for 2x 7i29, 1x 5i20, and something to control my spindle and read encoder outputs
[07:56:12] <bilbocnc> well that was a rude disconnect of sorts.
[07:57:54] <archivist> I tend to see quite a lot of timeouts from wifi users
[07:58:23] <bilbocnc> new ubiquiti access point likes to do some dumb things, will be looking for another
[07:59:07] <archivist> I recommend real wire :)
[07:59:41] <bilbocnc> I am connected real wire now, was just on my ipad, moved to something real
[08:00:09] <bilbocnc> not sure if my question even made it through or not
[08:00:14] <archivist> it did
[08:07:41] <bilbocnc> do you know what cards mesa has for a spindle output? I am using a 7i37ta and 2 7i29. I have a 7i33 and a 7i48, but with the 7i29 i don't need the encoder reading or analog outputs from those cards
[08:07:45] <bilbocnc> was looking for something simpler
[08:09:06] <archivist> I dont have any mesa cards yet
[08:18:37] <pink_vampire> chips vs part
[08:19:59] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/wZRrDzS.png
[08:20:34] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Makin chips!
[08:20:43] <Deejay> hrhr nice
[08:21:13] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: i want to make parts not chips
[08:21:34] <malcom2073> Makin chips is the first step to making parts
[08:22:04] <Deejay> nice vise
[08:22:15] <bilbocnc> looks like a grizzly
[08:26:50] <pink_vampire> yes, it is the grizzly 5" machine vise
[08:27:00] <bilbocnc> I've got the same one
[08:27:21] <pink_vampire> i need to re surface the jaws of the vise
[08:27:46] <pink_vampire> i'm using them too much as a bench vise O_o
[08:28:18] <pink_vampire> i like the krut jaw with the t-slot
[08:28:39] <pink_vampire> but i'm not sure if it can fit on the grizzly
[08:29:23] <pink_vampire> i like the color of the vise is the same color of the machine
[08:29:39] <pink_vampire> bilbocnc: what machine do you have?
[08:30:01] <bilbocnc> i have an older round column grizzly g1005
[08:30:05] <bilbocnc> and a taig
[08:31:28] <pink_vampire> nice
[08:32:07] <pink_vampire> i was thinking about the taig, but eventually i got the g0704
[08:32:11] <pink_vampire> bilbocnc:
[08:32:30] <bilbocnc> I am really limited on space, stationed in the U.K. in a fairly small house
[08:32:36] <bilbocnc> that's how I ended up with the taig
[08:36:45] <pink_vampire> i wish that my spindle was fast as the taig
[08:47:54] <bilbocnc> I have a 24k spindle on there with a vfd
[08:48:09] <bilbocnc> 1.4hp
[10:05:07] <bilbocnc> Looking for a mesa guru with some 7i29 and spindle experience
[11:33:37] <dioz> any welders in here?
[11:35:49] <Tom_itx> none
[11:37:25] <dioz> didn't think so
[11:37:29] <dioz> just a bunch of pretenders
[11:37:41] <bilbocnc> What I do I wouldn't call welding
[11:37:47] <dioz> brazing?
[11:38:01] <bilbocnc> more like holding things together
[11:38:08] <dioz> with your hands
[11:38:10] <bilbocnc> very crudely
[11:43:34] <bilbocnc> Still nobody around to help with a 5i20 config with 2 7i29 and 1 7i37? I have a hitachi wj200 spindle that I want to control and I'm not sure what card to get in addition my others
[11:43:52] <bilbocnc> I have a 7i33 and a 7i48 unused but think that's overkill
[11:47:20] <Tom_itx> pcw_home would be the one for that
[11:49:28] <bilbocnc> Ok, thanks
[11:51:51] <archivist> or reading manuals to see what input the vfd needs (0-10v etc)
[11:52:05] <bilbocnc> I know it is 0-10v
[11:52:25] <Tom_itx> not +-10?
[11:52:36] <Tom_itx> my sherline is +10
[11:52:36] <bilbocnc> i just don't want to use a 4 or 6 analog input/output card for one spindle
[11:52:36] <FloppyDisk525> Or reading the LCNC forum, searching the emc users mailing list to see how to connect all that stuff...
[11:52:53] <Tom_itx> i used a 7i47S on it
[11:52:55] <FloppyDisk525> VFD's probably only 0-10v...
[11:52:59] <Tom_itx> with 10v spindle out
[11:53:15] <bilbocnc> that's what I was looking at
[11:53:26] <Tom_itx> works good for that
[11:53:33] <bilbocnc> what voltage did you supply it?
[11:53:39] <Tom_itx> 10 iirc
[11:53:39] <FloppyDisk525> One of those cards probably has a PWM output for the VFD and the hitachi probably (maybe) has a PWM input option.
[11:54:08] <bilbocnc> just need to find out how to supply the reference voltage
[11:54:08] <FloppyDisk525> You'll need to check the manual for that. If not, sometimes pwm can be used for 0-10vdc (iirc..)
[11:54:11] <Tom_itx> i used a SMPS regulated to 10v off my 24v supply
[11:54:25] <bilbocnc> everything is 12vdc in this machine
[11:54:31] <Tom_itx> you can get them for #3 off ebay
[11:54:38] <Tom_itx> $3
[11:54:47] <bilbocnc> will have a looksie
[11:54:50] <Tom_itx> 2v might be enough differential for that
[11:55:03] <Tom_itx> is the 12v regulated?
[11:55:13] <bilbocnc> yes
[11:55:30] <Tom_itx> you could also use some diode drops which may not be the best solution
[11:55:44] <bilbocnc> i'm assuming that you can configure the max scale in hal somewhere
[11:56:00] <bilbocnc> card takes input of 5-15vdc from what I can see
[11:56:06] <Tom_itx> i forget now how much drop you get on a diode junction, it's either .3 or .6v
[11:56:17] <Tom_itx> so stack a few to get the drop you need
[11:56:46] <Tom_itx> the card might but will your spindle control?
[11:57:34] <Tom_itx> 12v in might give you 12ish v out, i'm not sure how that card works
[11:57:59] <bilbocnc> or, learn how to control it with modbus
[11:58:04] <Tom_itx> ick
[11:58:15] <Tom_itx> zeeshan could help you with that i bet
[12:01:15] <bilbocnc> yeah, wj200 only takes 0-9.8v.. 10 nominal
[12:07:07] <bilbocnc> i don't want a big smps for this, just a dc-dc converter would do
[12:12:42] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:31:19] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[12:56:17] <bilbocnc> You alive PCW?
[12:57:39] <bilbocnc> Anyone here capable of building firmware?
[12:57:56] <andypugh> Off-topic
[12:58:03] <andypugh> http://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1PBETMPFW1W11/dougie-s-wheelie
[12:58:43] <bilbocnc> Ha, seems like a lot of work
[13:00:08] <andypugh> I remember even chidren’s TV covering the attempt by Dave Taylor to do it in thr 1970s.
[13:01:14] <andypugh> He’s already been on the back wheel for an hour.
[13:01:27] <cradek> wow that looks tiring
[13:01:30] <bilbocnc> at 25mph
[13:01:33] <bilbocnc> ridiculous
[13:02:10] <bilbocnc> lol, he doesn't look too sure of himself
[13:02:59] <andypugh> I reckon he’s getting tired. I imagine it’s rather hard work.
[13:04:17] <andypugh> And absolutely no way to get a rest.
[13:04:30] <bilbocnc> I can't stop watching...
[13:05:33] <bilbocnc> He's so close
[13:07:03] <andypugh> He’s probably the least famous 12-time world champion in the world.
[13:07:15] <bilbocnc> Right?
[13:07:40] <archivist> I remember the 1960's Lampkin
[13:07:52] <andypugh> Well, if he was 12 times Indicar champ how famouls would he be?
[13:10:20] <andypugh> If you are wondering, he will have an electric motor to keep the front wheel spinning
[13:11:26] <bilbocnc> seems it would act as a gyro and help his cause slightly
[13:11:38] <andypugh> Yes, it gives a way to steer
[13:11:56] <DaViruz> a wind turbine would be more elegant!
[13:12:08] <bilbocnc> nothing elegant about this event
[13:15:16] <bilbocnc> Well how about that. Can't walk straight
[13:15:28] <andypugh> Hardly a surprise
[13:15:43] <bilbocnc> No kidding.. I wouldn't get off the couch for a bit
[13:15:45] <andypugh> He’s hardly a youing man either (40)
[13:15:58] <DaViruz> now do it on a sports bike!
[13:31:28] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: ever find out what looked like gunfire was all about?
[14:04:47] <andypugh> No, no idea. But everyone drove off leaving nothing behind.
[16:31:58] <JT-Shop> Poplar Bluff is getting a Horrible Freight what is this place coming to
[16:34:06] <andypugh> “Poplar Bluff” sounds like a tactic in Bridge.
[16:35:18] <JT-Shop> it used to be a sleepy sleazy corrupt town a long time ago
[16:35:55] <pfred1> Horrible Fright likes blighted neighborhoods
[16:36:19] <pfred1> that's where we haveo ne here
[16:36:20] <Deejay> gn8
[16:37:10] <andypugh> We have none here, and this it Pitsea. The clue is in the name :-)
[16:37:18] <Tom_L> JT-Shop did you clean house with your cannon when you moved in?
[16:37:39] <JT-Shop> I thought about shooting it but got side tracked
[16:38:35] <Tom_L> ok, running out of code to write. i must be getting to the end
[16:38:36] <JT-Shop> andypugh: looks like my enhancement request got some attention
[16:38:48] <JT-Shop> want to write some for me?
[16:38:54] <Tom_L> to do what?
[16:39:19] <Tom_L> not if i have to learn another language first
[16:39:29] <JT-Shop> attempting to write an easy to understand 5i25/6i25 configuration tool
[16:39:39] <JT-Shop> darn
[16:39:45] <Tom_L> python?
[16:39:48] <pfred1> some things are supposed to be hard
[16:39:51] <JT-Shop> aye
[16:39:52] <Tom_L> i'm not that good at python
[16:40:30] <Tom_L> yeah the noobs should have to ask how to configure their hardware
[16:40:54] <JT-Shop> I'm not good at staying on track lol
[16:41:14] <Tom_L> i don't have one here to configure or i might
[16:41:18] <andypugh> Addinf it to pncconf makes sense, but that is already too complicated
[16:41:29] <Tom_L> i may have a 5i24?
[16:41:33] <Tom_L> something like that
[16:41:44] <Tom_L> 6i24? i dunno
[16:42:00] <JT-Shop> you don't need a card
[16:42:15] <JT-Shop> 5i is pci and 6i is pcie
[16:42:19] <Tom_L> i like to verify what i spew out
[16:42:27] <Tom_L> i know that
[16:42:33] <andypugh> We probably need a simpler tool that just looks at what you have, suggests that you might want to connect field power, and says “what do you want to connect where, here are the docs”
[16:42:43] <Tom_L> i don't remember what cards i have
[16:42:48] <Tom_L> still in the box
[16:43:12] <andypugh> Though as giving links to docs sometimes leads to being told you are a waste of oxygen, maybe not :-)
[16:43:21] <JT-Shop> that is an interesting idea andypugh
[16:43:44] <JT-Shop> well if it does not breath it might be safe lol
[16:44:27] <JT-Shop> I love it how after 5-6 messages you find the topic is really gmoccapy not hal
[16:44:36] <Tom_L> heh
[16:44:52] <Tom_L> tech support is like pulling wisdom teeth sometimes
[16:45:05] <pcw_home> in me umble opinion, all the hardware specific connections to signals and hardware specific setp's should be in one hal file
[16:45:42] <pfred1> pcw_home we should just give up on directories and files too and lump all data in one continious stream
[16:45:43] <JT-Shop> the main hal file seems the right place
[16:45:54] <pcw_home> (so the structural hal parts dont change)
[16:45:59] <Tom_L> pcw_home, did that guy earlier here catch up to you on what spindle control board to get?
[16:46:17] <Tom_L> i've had a bad connection here so can't read all the scroll
[16:46:21] <pcw_home> no, I was out
[16:47:25] <Tom_L> which ones do 0-10v instead of +-10v?
[16:48:03] <Tom_L> i know i wound up using the 7i47s
[16:48:07] <pcw_home> 7I76, 7I47S, 7I78, Spinx1,
[16:48:44] <pcw_home> also a floating 7I37 output can work if you add a RC filter
[16:50:19] <pcw_home> by splitting off the hardware specific parts into a different hal file you now just have a limited number of sample hal files that are hardware agnostic
[16:51:31] <pcw_home> (all the complicated feedback and component wiring structure is in the non-changing example files)
[16:51:54] <JT-Shop> so like my_mill.hal, 5i25.hal, 7i76.hal, postgui.hal?
[16:51:57] <pcw_home> so the example files work with _any_ hardware
[16:52:07] <pcw_home> yeah
[16:52:55] <JT-Shop> I think I need to work backwards from the hal and ini files to the configuration tool
[16:53:40] <JT-Shop> but then I don't need a configuration tool...
[16:53:44] <pcw_home> so (ideally) my_mill.hal should work just as well with a parallel port setup
[16:54:25] <pfred1> pcw_home you want a file parser?
[16:55:09] <pfred1> it is not a bad idea
[16:56:22] <pfred1> all users could use the same parameters then the parser would intrepret them based on the hardware configuration
[16:57:04] <JT-Shop> so thinking out loud the configuration tool only needs to build my_mill.hal and my_mill.ini and copy in 5i25.hal and 7i76.hal to the configuration directory
[16:58:32] <pfred1> we could ether call it Sauron the super wizard of many colors, or SystemC
[16:58:34] <andypugh> That’s cool, but would tend to make new users believe, even more than they do now, that signal names are meaniningful.
[17:00:54] <pfred1> andypugh the history of computer engineering is littered with arbitrary meanings
[17:00:57] <MacGalempsy> :)
[17:01:15] <pfred1> IBM made billions playing that game
[17:02:44] <andypugh> pfred1: That’s not the point
[17:02:57] <pfred1> Who doesn't love standards? There's so many to choose from!
[17:03:24] <MacGalempsy> I love double standards
[17:03:48] <andypugh> The point is that there isn’t, and should not be, a standard for signal names
[17:03:49] <pfred1> Do as I say, not as I do.
[17:04:04] <andypugh> xkcd 386
[17:04:08] <pfred1> andypugh oh why not?
[17:04:34] <pfred1> someone needs to draw a line in the sand somewhere
[17:04:35] <andypugh> Ooops, wrong ineger
[17:05:11] <andypugh> I menat 927
[17:05:37] <pfred1> toe that line!
[17:05:46] <andypugh> Because signal names are entirely at the discretion of the system integrator.
[17:06:02] <pfred1> you're advocating chaos and anarchy
[17:06:12] <andypugh> For one thing, there should be freedom to name them in your native language.
[17:06:15] <pfred1> we need discipline!
[17:07:10] <pfred1> andypugh I understand exactly where you're coming from but at the same time arbitrary definitions have their uses
[17:07:20] <andypugh> That’s like saying I should never use pink wire
[17:07:34] <pfred1> no don't cut the pink wire!
[17:07:38] <pcw_home> They do need to be consistent within a config file set
[17:07:57] <pcw_home> thats all thats required here
[17:08:11] <andypugh> (whereas I nearly always use pink wire. Nobody assumes anything about pink wire)
[17:08:24] <pfred1> pink is hot
[17:08:44] <pfred1> it is a wishy washy shade of red
[17:09:06] <pfred1> now purple and brown wires they're ambigious
[17:09:44] <pfred1> gray is kind of who knows too
[17:10:00] <andypugh> Brown is live
[17:10:08] <pfred1> I have seen that
[17:10:19] <pfred1> but not here that isn't the case
[17:11:20] <andypugh> Brown is actually the least ambiguous colour in UK wiring, since we harmonised with Europe. Brown has only ever been, and still is Mains Live.
[17:11:39] <pfred1> in the US we use black as the live
[17:11:52] <pfred1> black is the one that'll char you
[17:12:22] <andypugh> Wheres Black is now either Neutral or Live, Blue is Either Neutral or live
[17:12:52] <pfred1> blue is hot here too but red is preferred
[17:13:54] <pfred1> the only colors we're really hard and fast with are black, white, and green
[17:17:17] <pfred1> I fixed up my Simpson 270 meter here earlier today it had fallen on hard times
[17:17:21] <andypugh> Old UK wiring was Red live, Black Neutral. Then it became Brown Live, Blue Neutral at the point that they changed the wiring regs, so they could date an installation. Then the EU got involved. Now it’s just an ambiguous mess:
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/Cable/CableColoursLeaflet.pdf
[17:17:32] <roycroft> black is the primary conductor for split-phase power in the us
[17:17:55] <andypugh> Yes, I know. But that really is only the US
[17:18:01] <roycroft> white is neutral in a split-phase circuit
[17:18:06] <pfred1> well we did invent electricity
[17:18:26] <roycroft> but in a 250vac full phase circuit white is commonly the negative phase
[17:18:36] <roycroft> although red is preferred in that context
[17:19:05] <roycroft> however, in -48vdc circuits, red is the primary conductor and black the return, in one configuration
[17:19:14] <roycroft> blue and blue/white are preferred, but rarely used
[17:19:21] <roycroft> because red and black are so much more common
[17:19:40] <roycroft> but in a telco central office, -48vdc (the primary) is usually grey
[17:19:55] <roycroft> and there's no separate return and ground
[17:20:12] <roycroft> oh, excuse me, there often is
[17:20:19] <andypugh> pfred1: Which “we” invented electricity?
[17:20:19] <roycroft> return also being grey in that configuration
[17:20:29] <pfred1> andypugh the USA
[17:20:35] <roycroft> i don't think anybody invented electricity
[17:20:45] <_methods> we also invented magnetism and gravity
[17:20:52] <roycroft> ben franklin is commonly credited with having discovered it, however
[17:20:56] <roycroft> which he didn't
[17:21:03] <pfred1> sure ben was flying a kit then the nest thing yo uknow there was Edison, and Tesla
[17:21:38] <pfred1> though Tesla wasn't naturalized when he patented his AC system
[17:21:50] <pfred1> he did that the next year
[17:21:51] <_methods> damn illegal immigrants
[17:21:55] <andypugh> Faraday?
[17:22:31] <pfred1> the first electrical grids were all still built here
[17:22:54] <MacGalempsy> can someone "omvemt
[17:22:54] <MacGalempsy> a natural phenomenom?
[17:23:05] <MacGalempsy> "invent"
[17:23:14] <pfred1> MacGalempsy there is nothing natural about the electricity we use today
[17:23:28] <andypugh> Let me think. Volt, Ohm, Farad, Ampere, Coulomb. Spot the American
[17:24:02] <pfred1> none of those people ever did anything with their work though
[17:24:12] <pfred1> they were all academics
[17:24:28] <pfred1> with parlor tricks
[17:24:30] <MacGalempsy> Watt?
[17:25:24] <_methods> Wutt?
[17:25:25] <roycroft> it really doesn't matter anyway
[17:25:35] <andypugh> Watt never saw electricity, as far as I know
[17:25:46] <roycroft> the context of this "who invented electricity" thing was a discussion of wiring standards
[17:26:14] <roycroft> the claim being inferred, at least, that the us standard is superior to all others because we "invented" electricity
[17:26:14] <LeelooMinai> lol @ invented electricity
[17:26:21] <roycroft> and the underlying premise of that is false
[17:26:40] <andypugh> Yes, and that claim is, to be polite, utter bollocks
[17:26:42] <roycroft> having set the "first" standard does not make it superior
[17:26:50] <roycroft> it just makes it first
[17:27:06] <roycroft> and i'm not sure that we even standardised on our wiring prior to the early din standards
[17:27:15] <LeelooMinai> Right, like imperial system of measurement - earlier, but lame
[17:27:29] <roycroft> when we first started wiring for electricity in this country, recall, it was knob and tube conductors and bare wire
[17:27:40] <MacGalempsy_> saying someone invented electricity is almost as lame as saying someine invented gravity
[17:27:43] <roycroft> should we return to that because we invented it "first"?
[17:27:53] <pfred1> LeelooMinai what is lame about customary units?
[17:27:58] <roycroft> i already made the point that it was discovered, not invented :)
[17:28:04] <MacGalempsy_> ok
[17:28:13] <MacGalempsy_> I agree with discovered
[17:28:20] <andypugh> There is nothing inherently wrong with imperial units other than a troublesome confusion between force and mass.
[17:28:21] <pfred1> what's lame is trying to use metric in the kitchen
[17:28:26] <LeelooMinai> pfred1: Them being all over the place?
[17:28:27] <roycroft> american customary units are useful for some things
[17:28:37] <roycroft> but si units are better for most things
[17:28:53] <pfred1> roycroft si is not better for anything I do
[17:29:06] <roycroft> i make a lot of beer
[17:29:12] <DaViruz> there is nothing wrong with the americans wanting to use the units handed down to them by their british overlords.
[17:29:18] <roycroft> it's really nice that 1l of water weighs 1kg
[17:29:28] <roycroft> that makes using si units a win right there :)
[17:29:30] <pfred1> DaViruz we don't and never did
[17:29:36] <roycroft> the thing is
[17:29:37] <andypugh> And Faraday and Maxwell really did “discover” electricity in the context of formulating equations to explain it.
[17:29:48] <roycroft> we don't use american customary units much these days
[17:29:51] <LeelooMinai> pfred1:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png/220px-English_length_units_graph.png
[17:29:57] <roycroft> sure, individuals do
[17:30:01] <pfred1> andypugh ancient Greeks discovered electricity
[17:30:03] <roycroft> but si is prevelant in manufacturing
[17:30:23] <roycroft> we don't use british hand-down units anyway
[17:30:26] <roycroft> those are imperial
[17:30:32] <pfred1> they did about as much with it as Faraday and Maxwell did too
[17:30:35] <LeelooMinai> E, ok, wrong link, here's the right one:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
[17:30:36] <roycroft> we use american customary units, which are quite different
[17:30:48] <andypugh> pfred1: Yes. Absolutely. And the first lungfish discovered Gravity. But Newton formulated it.
[17:30:58] <_methods> you know you're on irc when people are arguing about who invented electricity
[17:31:12] <MacGalempsy_> real scientists can use any units out there, just convert
[17:31:12] <roycroft> i don't think anyone is arguing that at this point
[17:31:20] <LeelooMinai> How about "discover" instead...
[17:31:21] <roycroft> we've moved on to who discovered it :)
[17:31:24] <MacGalempsy_> maybe engineers too
[17:32:11] <LeelooMinai> One can use any units, and still don't like some
[17:32:25] <roycroft> and when woodworking, i prefer to use no units as much as possible
[17:32:30] <roycroft> units are imprecise
[17:32:47] <pfred1> well measuring can introduce errors
[17:33:04] <roycroft> i prefer to make parts to fit
[17:33:04] <roycroft> not make them to measure
[17:33:12] <pfred1> I dut stuff liek a half of an inch too big then once it is assembled i break out my router with a trim bit
[17:33:16] <roycroft> certainly some rough overall dimensions need to be measured
[17:33:26] <roycroft> but as much as possible i cut to fit, not to length
[17:33:29] <pfred1> thre perfect!
[17:34:00] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
[17:34:06] <pfred1> roycroft that works until you need parts that fit into other parts
[17:34:35] <roycroft> even then, you make a jig/template for the first part
[17:34:43] <roycroft> then make a sample of the first part
[17:34:56] <roycroft> then make a jig/template for the second part, and make samples until they fit the first part
[17:35:05] <andypugh> First, house, lecture room and thatre to be lit by electricity. The house is a parlour trick, it was his parlour. The lecture room was a deomostration, but I think the theatre counts?
[17:35:38] <roycroft> but as i said, there are some overall measurements that always need to be made
[17:35:55] <pfred1> yeah metric is terrible for those kinds of measurements
[17:36:51] <andypugh> Metric isn’t terrible if that is what you are used to.
[17:37:27] <pfred1> we switched to the metric system in 1975
[17:37:40] <pfred1> we were paying 99 cents a gallon for gasoline
[17:37:47] <roycroft> si or imperial or american customary are all equally bad for thise kinds of things
[17:37:48] <andypugh> I am a bit half-way. My dad always estimated in Imperial, so I picked up the habit. But contiental friends just guess in 10s of mm.
[17:37:54] <pfred1> then we switched and people found themselves paying 99 cents a liter
[17:37:54] <roycroft> which is why avoiding measurements is best
[17:38:11] <pfred1> which was the international going rate at the time
[17:38:35] <pfred1> at least that is how oil companies justified it
[17:38:56] <pfred1> yeah well we the people did not want to hear about any of that
[17:39:13] <pfred1> that was the end of metric in the USA too
[17:39:31] <pfred1> it lasted a week
[17:39:57] <MacGalempsy_> there is a slow push for metric in the educational system
[17:40:06] <pfred1> kids today lap it up
[17:40:18] <pfred1> but they're a worthless bunch of sad sacks anyways
[17:40:20] <MacGalempsy_> both systems are pretty easy to use
[17:40:31] <pfred1> none of them work with their hands
[17:41:00] <LeelooMinai> As long they work with their minds, they will be fine probably:p
[17:41:28] <andypugh> I have visited the house of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong,_1st_Baron_Armstrong
[17:41:47] <pfred1> andypugh I've been to Edison's lab in Orange
[17:41:56] <pfred1> I grew up a town away from there
[17:41:58] <andypugh> I recall at the time being a bit surprisd that the house had a hydro-electric system in 1880
[17:42:26] <pfred1> so the Edison lab class trip was a no brainer for my school
[17:42:58] <andypugh> pfred1: So have, I as it happens
[17:43:17] <pfred1> we were next door to Bell Labs too so the eggheads from there would put on assemblies for us
[17:43:58] <pfred1> andypugh you saw the foot cube of copper in the foyer?
[17:44:25] <andypugh> I don’t recall it
[17:44:35] <pfred1> hmm it's under glass just as yo uwalk in the door
[17:44:52] <pfred1> did you get a show in the Black Maria?
[17:44:54] <andypugh> But I was 19 at the time. It’s all a bit vague now
[17:45:19] <pfred1> I don't think they do that all of the time
[17:45:42] <pfred1> but once when we went they did it
[17:46:24] <pfred1> how about the record did they at least play that for you?
[17:46:32] <andypugh> I think so
[17:46:36] <pfred1> cool!
[17:46:50] <pfred1> they must have thousands of those things
[17:47:28] <pfred1> it is really like the ghost of edison when they do that
[17:47:32] <andypugh> Edison created a lot of “the worlds first commercially practical” things. But that’s not quite the same as inventing them first
[17:47:47] <pfred1> from a consumer point of view it is
[17:47:59] <andypugh> I suppose you think Henry Ford invented the automobile too?
[17:47:59] <pfred1> I've seen the drawers of bulbs before Edisons
[17:48:17] <pfred1> carl benz invented the automobile
[17:48:23] <pfred1> then he got locked up as a kook
[17:49:10] <pfred1> henry ford made cars practical for the comman individual to own
[17:49:50] <andypugh> I have to say, the prettiest of the early cars I have seen was the Duryea Trap.
[17:49:58] <andypugh> I would _love_ one of thse
[17:50:08] <pfred1> be a late night talk show host
[17:50:24] <andypugh> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Henry_Ford_Museum_August_2012_39_(1899_Duryea_trap).jpg
[17:50:57] <DaViruz> you brits and your three wheeled cars :)
[17:50:57] <pfred1> I knew a guy that had like 12 mercedes gull wings
[17:51:25] <andypugh> DaViruz: That’s acually American. 1899
[17:51:39] <DaViruz> but it's your fascination! :)
[17:52:11] <andypugh> I like it because it has the same front wheel arrangement as my Ner-a-Car
[17:52:30] <DaViruz> i find the steering arrangement intruiging
[17:52:53] <pfred1> andypugh you like it because you have an irrational death wish
[17:52:57] <andypugh> It is identical to the Ner-a-CAr
[17:53:01] <pfred1> you'd run yoruself over in that thing!
[17:53:26] <pfred1> where is the steering wheel?
[17:53:41] <DaViruz> i wonder if the stick is only used for steering or for acceleration and braking as well?
[17:54:01] <pfred1> no comment on the stick
[17:54:23] <DaViruz> or maybe not for steering at all?
[17:54:25] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it can fly - so it's like a joystick
[17:54:54] <pfred1> the stick is the early precursor to the seat belt
[17:55:13] <andypugh> DaViruz: The Ner-a-Car front axle can be seen in bits about 4/5 of the way down this page:
http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Neracar01%20The%20Beginning
[17:55:39] <pfred1> it holds different
[18:00:11] <andypugh> Well, I did it:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112147936210?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[18:01:41] <pfred1> selling your lathe?
[18:02:03] <andypugh> 86 views in 1.5 hours! and already a £500 bid
[18:02:18] <pfred1> congrats
[18:02:21] <andypugh> (offline offer)
[18:02:40] <pfred1> you should get twice that
[18:02:47] <andypugh> I have about 2k in it in total. But £500 would do to make the space
[18:03:03] <pfred1> I think you'll get a K out of it at least
[18:03:23] <andypugh> It’s semi-famous
[18:03:37] <pfred1> meh donno if that'll help any
[18:03:48] <pfred1> but its good kit
[18:04:16] <andypugh> Actually, it’s a pile of junk. That’s why it is for sale.
[18:04:25] <pfred1> what's wrong with it?
[18:05:46] <DaViruz> andypugh: yep i've read through the entire ner-a-car account. quite interesting
[18:05:51] <andypugh> It’s a chinese lathe made by someone who had no idea how a lathe works
[18:06:08] <pfred1> ah basic design flaws?
[18:06:41] <pfred1> well it looks like it has all of the bits to me
[18:07:13] <DaViruz> we have a cheap chinese lathe at work. it is quite horrendous
[18:07:24] <pfred1> I have a cheap chinesem ill
[18:07:36] <pfred1> cheap chinese mill
[18:07:55] <pfred1> I'm happier with it than withhout it though
[18:08:07] <andypugh> it was OK when it was a 7x20 as originally designed by Emco. But when stretched to 9” and then to 30”long. The bed is far too narow
[18:08:10] <pfred1> it broke down on me the other day and i was bummed out
[18:08:39] <DaViruz> though i have used rather decent chinese lathes as well
[18:09:06] <pfred1> the chinese are capable if someone is willing to pay them
[18:09:27] <andypugh> I am sure that exist. And Feeler of Taiwan made some lovely lathes.
[18:09:58] <andypugh> But if a lathe can be sold at a profit for £700 it will have to be terrible.
[18:10:42] <DaViruz> a terrible lathe is however much better than no lathe
[18:10:57] <DaViruz> at least i keep telling myself that every time i use the terrible one
[18:12:50] <pfred1> yeah i don't have a metal lathe
[18:13:01] <pfred1> it is something I'
[18:13:03] <andypugh> pfred1: This is a telling photo. The 9x30 chinese tailstock on the bed of the 10x20 Holbrook:
https://goo.gl/photos/kEFYGVEadBJVURYB8
[18:13:09] <pfred1> it is something I'd like to have occasionally
[18:14:25] <pfred1> did the tailstock fall out of the ways?
[18:14:34] <pfred1> what is going on there?
[18:15:22] <andypugh> It just gives a sense of the difference in scale between the bed of the Chinese lathe and a decent lathe
[18:15:50] <pfred1> oh that's the tailstock of your one lathe on another one
[18:15:55] <andypugh> Yes
[18:15:57] <pfred1> OK
[18:16:10] <pfred1> I thought something didn't quite fit right
[18:16:26] <pfred1> well the one machine is bigger
[18:17:16] <andypugh> Yes, the Chinese lathe is rather longer berween centres, and only slightly lower in swing
[18:17:35] <andypugh> 10x20 v 9x30
[18:18:23] <pfred1> well they had to scimp somewhere
[18:18:49] <pfred1> I'm pissed the chinese just did me up with a SMPS
[18:19:00] <pfred1> what a POS it turned out to be
[18:19:02] <malcom2073> andypugh: Not the combo machine!
[18:19:14] <malcom2073> So many gear hobbing featured youtube videos on that thing :-P
[18:19:24] <pfred1> I bought what i thought was a 10A 36V PSU
[18:19:45] <pfred1> I hook it up and it only puts out 30V and with a load it drops to 26V
[18:20:11] <pfred1> just a 0.62 amp load too
[18:20:27] <pfred1> one stepper drive and motor on it
[18:20:52] <pfred1> so Paul is not a happy boy
[18:21:22] <andypugh> Indeed. The holbrook cost as much as a house, the Chinese lathe as much as a very expensive meal out. Compare and contrast:
https://goo.gl/photos/GdeYUpgr5jXhNPTGA v
https://goo.gl/photos/2356WGTbpPNQhbcm9
[18:22:01] <malcom2073> The holbrook is so much nicer looking, and I'm sure many times over nicer quality machining
[18:22:23] <malcom2073> What are you going to do for milling without the combo? Do you have another mill?
[18:22:29] <pfred1> andypugh I can do without a meal out but I don't want to live in the streets
[18:23:54] <pfred1> I know my Chinese mill is a POS but I do OK stuff with it
[18:24:03] <andypugh> yes, I gave up on the combo machine as a mill years ago. (it’s actually not a terrible lathe). This is the other mill doing hobbing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTHY5U8v-U
[18:24:05] <pfred1> it beats a hand drill
[18:24:14] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha
[18:25:25] <pfred1> once i made the mistake of trying to tram the head of my mill never again!
[18:26:21] <pfred1> it's close enough for the kinds of things I do
[18:30:15] <andypugh> Tramming is pretty easy with a coax indicator and a brake disc.
[18:30:48] <pfred1> there's too much flex in my mill column
[18:30:59] <pfred1> so it ain't never gonna happen
[18:45:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161605325081 $1200 for a rebuilt spindle and bearings, seems high for a near extinct mill
[18:45:52] <CaptHindsight> not sure why anyone would pay $10k for a rebuild
[18:46:57] <BeachBumPete> the high speed spindle bearings are QUITE expensive
[18:47:19] <pfred1> BeachBumPete everything is expensive today
[18:47:29] <BeachBumPete> you can say that again
[18:47:32] <pfred1> BeachBumPete everything is expensive today
[18:47:38] <BeachBumPete> everything is going up but wages
[18:47:47] <pfred1> yeah everything but my time ti seems
[18:47:55] <pfred1> when i want money it's like what?
[18:48:03] <CaptHindsight> we need a wall to keep wages up
[18:50:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-760V-CNC-Vert-Machining-Center-/162202579769 $4600 or best for the whole VMC
[18:51:19] <pfred1> did I show off my latest pen holder?
[18:55:50] <CaptHindsight> 3 of the same
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Milling-machines/282178393742 $2250 ea
[19:06:43] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: :/
[19:06:54] <SpeedEvil> I wish A) I had a shop setup. B) shipping
[19:09:53] <pfred1> SpeedEvil a workshop can be a cloth you unravel on your lap
[19:10:31] <pfred1> it can be less than that
[19:11:05] <SpeedEvil> pfred1: My lap cannot take a 4 ton CNC machine.
[19:11:49] <pfred1> perhaps not but you need to work within the constraints placed upon you as must all of us
[19:12:22] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: Work out more
[19:12:42] <SpeedEvil> pfred1: Need, yes. Want no.
[19:12:44] <pfred1> yeah I don't have any 4 ton CNC machine
[19:12:56] <pfred1> or 4 ton anything at all
[19:13:06] <pfred1> someplace i have a 10 ton jack
[19:13:12] <SpeedEvil> And I quite agree.
[19:13:19] <pfred1> but it don't weigh no 10 tons by itself
[19:14:43] <BeachBumPete> I do but theyre all in storage :(
[19:15:38] <pfred1> I'd love a shop 3 times the size of what i have now
[19:15:49] <pfred1> then I might be able to clean the place up some
[19:16:22] <pfred1> at least put some stuff out of sight and out of mind
[19:16:31] <zeeshan> once it goes out of sight
[19:16:37] <zeeshan> it goes into the great abyss , never to be found again
[19:16:46] <zeeshan> :)
[19:16:57] <pfred1> I have a trailer for the real crap I go down there to get stuff too
[19:17:20] <pfred1> but whatever i put in there gets weathered
[19:17:33] <pfred1> it is falling apart
[19:17:45] <pfred1> I'm going to have to do somethign about it
[19:18:43] <zeeshan> have you used boesheild t-9
[19:18:43] <pfred1> here's my meth lab in happier days
http://i.imgur.com/cWXfC0n.jpg
[19:20:24] <SpeedEvil> pfred1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uty2zd7qizA&index=20&list=PLlz6vPVcwFf7zSBm9k2-TPO3pyl3txH17 - related.
[19:21:03] <pfred1> SpeedEvil this place jsut came with one
[19:22:01] <pfred1> there's still some barrel saddles out in the woods behind it
[19:22:38] <pfred1> so this place was a big tiem meth lab at one time
[19:23:34] <pfred1> you shuold see the people that used to stop by
[19:24:08] <pfred1> I guess looking for the old cooks?
[19:25:39] <SpeedEvil> fun
[19:25:48] <SpeedEvil> Did you get it tested?
[19:26:00] <pfred1> for what?
[19:26:10] <SpeedEvil> Various contaminents in the process
[19:26:27] <pfred1> there's plenty of frogs, snakes, and bugs here
[19:26:39] <pfred1> so if they're OK I'm OK too
[19:43:05] <CaptHindsight> pfred1: Detroit? :)
[19:45:28] <CaptHindsight> used CNC deal season tends to be Jan-April in the midwest
[19:46:02] <CaptHindsight> the pickins are bit slim at the moment
[19:48:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Olofsson-Twin-Spindle-CNC-Verticle-Turret-Lathe-1034S-/182291622916 this ones interesting
[19:49:15] <jdh> http://charleston.craigslist.org/bfs/5792249623.html
[19:49:47] <CaptHindsight> nice
[19:49:48] <BeachBumPete> damn thats a deal
[19:49:56] <jdh> dead control
[19:50:12] <BeachBumPete> piece af cake
[19:50:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klr3-cfRV9Q twin turret
[19:51:04] <pfred1> its great if you need something like that
[19:51:25] <pfred1> I cannot think of what I'd do with it personally
[19:52:02] <CaptHindsight> anyone know if the twin spindle vertical lathe can have the two operate independent from each other?
[19:52:37] <malcom2073> That'd be really cool
[19:53:38] <CaptHindsight> looks like the turrets are independent and the vertical spindles are fixed
[19:54:11] <CaptHindsight> the video has a single spindle with 2 turrets
[19:56:57] <CaptHindsight> the best deals I find tend to be machines that are partially converted or have intermittent control problems
[19:57:26] <CaptHindsight> the sellers tend to have an emotional need to rid themselves of them at near any cost
[19:57:45] <malcom2073> That's the best kind of machines to buy
[19:57:51] <malcom2073> strip out the control, linuxcnc it, and be done
[19:59:02] <pfred1> malcom2073 then what would you do with it?
[19:59:15] <malcom2073> pfred1: Haven't a clue... lathe things I suppose? :-P
[19:59:25] <malcom2073> I build machines to build more machines, I haven't actually done anything productive yet
[19:59:30] <pfred1> it is a vertical center
[19:59:41] <malcom2073> vertical lathe it looked like?
[19:59:45] <CaptHindsight> I get paid to build custom machines
[19:59:50] <pfred1> that would be strange
[20:00:06] <CaptHindsight> wish this was closer
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whacheon-Ecostar-540-CNC-Lathe-Machine-Fanuc-Sys-6T-Model-B-A028-0050-B001-/131947466253
[20:00:10] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I'd love to do that heh
[20:03:42] <CaptHindsight> I think HGR has a few of these for the same price
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAZAK-QT-6G-CNC-LATHE-08161930009/262617580009
[20:04:30] <pfred1> bad electronic control board could mean a lot of different things too
[20:04:44] <CaptHindsight> looks like 12
[20:05:20] <pfred1> you have to assume all of the electronics are fried
[20:05:49] <CaptHindsight> they have consecutive serial numbers
[20:06:23] <CaptHindsight> no but close
[21:34:16] <Cromaglious_> hmmm very temping...
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