#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-09-24

[01:55:58] <Cromaglious_> lost power this morning... when the router came back up it had lost the default route DOH!
[01:56:12] <Cromaglious_> I had UDP, no TCP...
[01:56:31] <Cromaglious_> finally had to telnet into the router to fix it...
[02:20:26] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:11] <XXCoder> yo
[03:47:49] <kyle___> hey, anyone here have a k40?
[03:48:03] <kyle___> i can't get laserdrw to stop making it pulse on curves
[03:48:28] <XXCoder> chances are nope, its surpising pretty rare for person to have same or even closely related machine
[03:48:34] <XXCoder> odd
[03:48:46] <XXCoder> dont use laser though
[03:48:59] <XXCoder> I wonder if its power issue though lol (random guess)
[03:49:00] <kyle___> yeah...
[03:49:02] <kyle___> noo
[03:49:06] <kyle___> it's definitely laserdrw
[03:49:08] <kyle___> http://puu.sh/rm06R/acbcfe99fd.png
[03:49:21] <kyle___> it's this exact pattern
[03:49:26] <kyle___> like it's trying to do a shitty raster
[03:49:28] <XXCoder> it looks dotty all ver
[03:49:38] <kyle___> yeah pretty much
[03:49:42] <kyle___> but it gets really bad on curves
[03:49:57] <XXCoder> your orgin drawing vector?
[03:50:04] <kyle___> yeah
[03:50:10] <kyle___> emf exported from illustrator
[03:50:23] <kyle___> (i'm guessing it's a vector drawing from there)
[03:51:28] <kyle___> "quite commonly Illustrator may rasterize EMF output files"
[03:51:29] <kyle___> ....
[03:51:33] <XXCoder> emf format can contain both
[03:51:48] <XXCoder> that might be it
[03:53:05] <kyle___> obnoxious
[03:53:10] <kyle___> that's all laserdrw can import though
[03:53:12] <kyle___> piece of shit
[03:53:18] <XXCoder> use some other convertor?
[03:53:39] <XXCoder> convert to some other (but purely vector!) format, use something to push it to emf
[03:55:16] <archivist> write your code by hand so you know what it does
[03:56:09] <XXCoder> that works up to point
[03:56:25] <XXCoder> you dont want 500 circles done by hand
[03:57:24] <archivist> write one, use it many
[03:58:05] <kyle___> you joke but i might actually just write an svg->emf converter
[03:58:08] <kyle___> or find one i guess
[03:58:28] <XXCoder> https://cloudconvert.com/svg-to-emf
[03:58:39] <XXCoder> dont use it for properity info though
[03:59:09] <kyle___> yeah
[03:59:53] <kyle___> okay let's see how this one goes
[04:01:46] <kyle___> ... i'm pretty sure cloudconvert just rasterized it too
[04:01:57] <kyle___> to the inkscape
[04:06:05] <kyle___> arghhghghghgh
[04:06:09] <kyle___> it's not rasterized at all
[04:06:13] <kyle___> it's just laserdrw being shit
[04:08:50] <XXCoder> ugh mybe reserach laserdrw import options
[04:09:38] <kyle___> i did
[04:09:40] <kyle___> there ain't shit
[04:10:24] <XXCoder> bah. use some other program to do what you want.
[04:18:44] <kyle___> this shitty controlboard doesn't work with anything else
[04:18:54] <kyle___> oh well, i'll just make the lines thicker and let it cut twice
[04:19:07] <kyle___> not exactly a bad thing since a second pass actually cuts through 3mm plywood without air assist
[04:32:11] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:52:50] <XXCoder> maybe better one in budget future? heh
[05:11:29] <malcom2073_> Morning
[05:13:13] <XXCoder> yo
[05:13:55] <malcom2073_> Going to a machinist yard sale today. Ought to be fun
[05:14:01] <XXCoder> damn
[05:16:25] <malcom2073_> Come on down, XXCoder... It's o ly
[05:16:33] <malcom2073_> Only a 50ish hour drive haha
[05:16:47] <XXCoder> hmmmmm lol
[05:16:57] <XXCoder> hey doc who you there
[05:17:00] <XXCoder> darn
[05:32:29] <jthornton> morning
[05:33:53] <XXCoder> yo
[05:36:15] <sync> lo
[05:36:21] <XXCoder> hel
[05:44:04] <enleth_> just arrived in Birmingham, I wonder if Colin Furze takes unannounced visitors, he's not too far from here
[05:47:33] <archivist> which Birmingham
[05:48:49] <Deejay> enleth, to be allowed to enter, you must take a ride on his giant looping swing ;)
[05:50:09] <archivist> if you mean the nutcase he is quite some distance
[05:50:44] <enleth> archivist: the big one in West Midlands
[05:51:05] <archivist> stamford lincs
[05:51:38] <enleth> Deejay: bonus points for entering directly from the swing through the roof
[05:53:44] <Deejay> haha :)
[05:54:53] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/2016-New-Aluminium-Structure-flsun3d-3D-Printer-DIY-Prusa-i3-3d-Printer-Kit-Heated-Bed-Two/32679964210.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000017.1.hkfo1v#
[05:55:00] <XXCoder> wrong channel heh sorry
[06:00:54] <jthornton> looks simple enough to make
[06:02:03] <XXCoder> jth yeah though it takes a while to complete lol
[06:02:38] <archivist> flimsytron
[06:02:53] <jthornton> I have all the parts to make one
[06:02:56] <XXCoder> very. lol
[06:03:10] <XXCoder> though 3d print it dont matter. just dont mill alum on it.
[06:03:31] <XXCoder> do not even think of it. in fact you alreay thought of it and broke your future 3d printer. too bad.
[06:04:22] <jthornton> it's like a plasma no side load on Z
[06:05:56] <jthornton> what software do you run?
[06:06:17] <XXCoder> slic3r for slicer, repitor for host
[06:06:21] <XXCoder> latter sucks
[06:06:31] <XXCoder> its even worse for slicing so i just use slic3r
[06:06:54] <jthornton> I messed with both a bit
[06:08:51] <jthornton> hmm looks like slicer wants a 64bit linux
[06:11:46] <archivist> whaddya mean no Z side load, think about the head weight inertial load
[06:12:00] <XXCoder> and thats basically it
[06:12:15] <jthornton> you know what I mean
[06:13:13] <archivist> it is probably significant in some cases
[06:13:26] <jthornton> slic3r and slicer will run on a generic pc I assume
[06:13:49] <XXCoder> slic3r is an slicer
[06:14:04] <XXCoder> you need something to control printer, or just use sdcard and select gcode
[06:14:11] <XXCoder> then it runs on its own.
[06:19:47] <jthornton> the slic3r configuration assistant wants to know the G code flavor RepRap,bunch of others, linuxcnc, machinekit
[06:21:06] <jthornton> I guess you can change that later... I wonder what I have out in the shop in the printer box
[06:22:09] <XXCoder> it depends on firmware
[06:22:12] <XXCoder> mine is martin
[06:22:34] <jthornton> I don't see martin just marlin
[06:22:44] <XXCoder> err thats what I meant yes lol
[06:23:28] * jthornton wanders out to the shop to see what his is
[06:38:26] <decimad> Hello, I was asked to help someone getting an updated guvcview on his linuxcnc-installation. The problem is, I just program and don't know anything about linux, but well, people expect you to know everything... So I'm having difficulties. Linuxcnc-installations depend on a very outdated kernel/respective distributions, is that correct?
[06:39:11] <jthornton> not really
[06:39:32] <jthornton> the latest livecd is debian wheezy
[06:40:39] <decimad> Okay, I was under the impression that the RT-patchset only works against specific kernel versions, I'm not getting it all from the faq it seems
[06:41:34] <jthornton> there are several RT patches I run linux mint 17.3 with RTAI and RT Preempt on different pc
[06:41:42] <archivist> most of us start with a livecd to get the RT part already installed
[06:41:56] <decimad> Nevertheless, the one who asked has a very outdated guvcview, and I'm not sure if that is because his installation itself is outdated or if that's just normal
[06:42:18] <jthornton> and your friend may be running an old version of Ubuntu if the machine is old
[06:42:57] <decimad> So maybe, instead of trying to build guvcview there with all its dependencies it might be wise to check if complete upgrade will help
[06:43:15] <archivist> never heard of guvcview anyway what does it do
[06:43:28] <jthornton> ^^^
[06:43:36] <decimad> It's an app that is supposed to be able to view usb camera stream
[06:43:54] <archivist> how does it relate to linuxcnc
[06:44:01] <decimad> He needs it with a crosshair, for obvious cnc reasons^^
[06:45:02] <jthornton> do a site search for webcam at linuxcnc.org
[06:45:13] <decimad> Well, it does not really depend on linuxcnc, but I had the impression linuxcnc, rt patches and the kernel and all its versions are interwoven.
[06:45:32] <decimad> Okay, will do
[06:45:43] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/48-gladevcp/30587-camview-for-wheesy-and-jessie#72617
[06:46:17] <jthornton> or search for camview on linuxcnc.org
[06:46:27] <archivist> camera support is often entirely separate as well
[06:47:30] <decimad> Well, I guess it's just another process on the system, unrelated to linuxcnc itself, but the kernel is special, that's what I assumed.
[06:47:50] <archivist> I realised I needed more axes for webcam movement separate from the tool and work
[06:48:22] <decimad> I'll ask him if he had tried camview
[06:49:01] <decimad> archivist: what do you use now?
[06:49:59] <archivist> nothing due to the effort needed to accurately calibrate on each change
[06:50:44] <decimad> okay, he says he tried camview but it didn't show an image, wheras guvcview works
[06:50:54] <archivist> more obvious why when you see tool and work http://www.archivist.info/cnc/target.php
[06:52:10] <archivist> need to "see" that the centreline of the work is inline with tool centre
[06:56:01] <decimad> hrmm, I looked up the version of guvcview on debian wheezy and it seems to be 1.53 where he needs 2+
[06:56:34] <decimad> which means I need to fetch it and all dependencies and build it on that crappy cnc machine?
[06:56:52] <archivist> I hate the version chasing problem
[07:47:45] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: http://helixlinear.com/
[07:48:23] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:48:51] <XXCoder> I probabky forgot discussion about it?
[07:49:33] <JT-Shop> reprap stuff
[07:49:41] <JT-Shop> I'm out in the shop now
[07:52:14] <JT-Shop> the TAB nut looks good
[07:53:35] <XXCoder> ahh
[07:53:48] <XXCoder> i got tips on how improve machine so its fine
[07:53:56] <XXCoder> without really buying stuff strange enough
[08:02:45] <JT-Shop> which printer do you have?
[08:08:46] <XXCoder> prusa i3 2020, chinese version
[08:14:00] <JT-Shop> like one of these https://www.aliexpress.com/popular/prusa-i3.html
[08:15:01] <XXCoder> 2020 metal frame version but yeah
[08:15:33] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Full-Metal-Frame-3D-Printer-Professional-3d-Color-Printer-with-8GB-SD-Card-LCD-One-Roll/32705186296.html
[08:16:38] <JT-Shop> does it come with the controller?
[08:17:44] <XXCoder> its ready to go... once you build it lopl
[08:17:56] <XXCoder> includes surpising good chinese special reel too
[08:18:28] <JT-Shop> does it use a ramps controller?
[08:18:29] <XXCoder> I heard of horrors of chinese filiments like dirt in plastic, varying more than .1mm thickness so on
[08:18:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:19:09] <JT-Shop> I should just quit dicking around and get one
[08:19:41] * JT-Shop goes back to the beer cave to copy some hard drives
[08:20:09] <XXCoder> lol later
[08:21:46] <JT-Shop> but first order the printer and get a $2 coupon
[08:22:02] <XXCoder> lol
[08:27:12] <jthornton> what did you have to do to improve the machine
[08:27:40] <XXCoder> well
[08:27:56] <XXCoder> first thing I did was 3d print a better duct fan
[08:28:06] <XXCoder> then I got kapton tape and covered hotbox with it
[08:28:13] <XXCoder> (but not nozzle)
[08:28:19] <XXCoder> that imporoved matters
[08:28:39] <XXCoder> I used masking tape come with machine and elmer purple glue stick (didnt)
[08:28:47] <XXCoder> it improved stick to surface a lot.
[08:32:49] <jthornton> got the duct fan from thingverse?
[08:33:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:33:50] <XXCoder> its postive and negative though
[08:34:11] <XXCoder> I cant use ziptie to hold it on better till in least bolt on bed is solved somehow
[08:34:14] <XXCoder> probably by glass
[08:38:02] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:542408
[08:38:22] <XXCoder> I may go for that
[08:38:33] <jthornton> is that the one you printed?
[08:38:37] <XXCoder> nah
[08:38:54] <XXCoder> hold on
[08:39:30] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:839620
[08:42:36] <Demure_> In an attempt to create a cheapo CNC mill (Not a router, want to do mostly brass / alu parts) I came across some lovely parts: A X-Y table with reasonable reach, 12mm ballscrews, 15mm hiwin rails and a Z-axis. I'll need to build a support for the Z-axis which I don't wthink should be a big deal, but I have nothing spindle-wise.
[08:44:28] <Demure_> There's a lot of chinese spindles out there but most with built in ER collet holder, but I'd like something with toolholders so I don't have to set length everytime I load a tool. But in searching for something I have a hard time seeing the difference between all the different systems (R8, BT30, CAT40, ISO15, etc etc).
[08:45:32] <Demure_> I've seen BT30 cartridges for around 500/600$ but that's already a bit much, as I don't truly trust my ability of making this into a nice machine and don't want to risk of spending too much money on it (If it fails I'd rather buy a Emco F1 or something)
[08:45:44] <Demure_> Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap spindle head unit?
[08:46:15] <archivist> Demure_, I used a lathe headstock
[08:47:16] <Demure_> Hm, interesting idea. How would you add a tooling holder to that?
[08:47:29] <archivist> currently the lathe bed is the column too but as soon as possible column will be replaced
[08:48:01] <archivist> currently using morse collets to hold tools
[08:48:20] <archivist> no automatic change
[08:49:09] <Demure_> Ok
[08:51:09] <archivist> I intend using this column soon http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_09_06_floor_standing_pillar_drill/IMG_1984.JPG
[08:52:11] <Demure_> Looks good. :) I'd have to fabricate something, I only have the axis itself but no column to attach it yet.
[08:52:41] <Demure_> Whole set even came with a nice set of Japanese AC servo's and drives
[08:52:55] <Demure_> Feels bad not to turn it into something nice
[08:53:15] <archivist> but being open minded with available lumps can build working machines
[08:53:32] <Demure_> Totally
[08:53:57] <jthornton> R8 is the same a ER in function
[08:54:21] <archivist> so http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190001.JPG
[08:54:31] <Demure_> Is it? I thought it was more alike a quick change tool system
[08:54:36] <Demure_> Shows you what I know.
[08:54:50] <Demure_> So for R8 you have to set the height as well?
[08:55:07] <archivist> became http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_05_27_cnc_making_pin_wheel/IMG_0252.JPG
[08:55:10] <Demure_> Now you have me thinking, I have a left-over Lathe here somewhere, perhaps that will come to good use.
[08:56:39] <Demure_> www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-Compact-5-Lathe-220mm-Bed-ER25-Collet-1-16-Chuck-Some-Parts-Missing-/331957465604 This is an adorable Emco 5 modification, haha
[08:59:35] <archivist> rather short bed on it
[09:00:11] <Demure_> Exactly
[09:07:44] <gregcnc> Compacter 5
[09:13:02] <gregcnc> demure http://www.dalecnc.com/
[09:14:32] <gregcnc> I would also consider finding an Emco F1 head http://www.ebay.com/itm/391504123916
[09:15:46] <gregcnc> The Emco is 30 taper, but with an Emco pull stud
[09:17:52] <Demure_> I see. So I'd need Emco specific 30 toolholders and I'd have to attach a belt drive to the head?
[09:20:00] <gregcnc> Any any BT30, but you need www.ebay.com/itm/302067698376 Though original F1 holders are on Ebay all the time
[09:20:23] <archivist> or make pull studs :)
[09:20:51] <Demure_> Ahh wait, now I understand this stud thing
[09:21:03] <Demure_> So the ISO 30 holder needs a stud on top and you buy those seperately and screw 'em in
[09:21:05] <Demure_> I see
[09:21:10] <gregcnc> I have one of those studs and can send you a print if you want to try.
[09:21:14] <gregcnc> making them
[09:21:40] <Demure_> I'll ask you again if I go that route
[09:21:43] <gregcnc> original emco have integral studs
[09:22:06] <Demure_> If I'm going the F1 head route I feel too tempted to not just buy an entire F1 and use that instead
[09:22:25] <gregcnc> right, where are you?
[09:22:39] <Demure_> Netherlands
[09:22:47] <Demure_> Hard to find seperate parts here
[09:23:22] <Demure_> Even finding a whole F1 can be tricky, they show up sporadically but often overpriced (Think 2000 euro)
[09:24:00] <gregcnc> hmmm F1 are fairly easy to find here, but often not close
[09:24:52] <Demure_> Well that's the plus side here, if they do show up, it's always in range due to the tiny size of this country ;)
[09:26:39] <archivist> and no hill to drag it over :)
[09:27:07] <Demure_> Haha, yup
[09:27:18] <Demure_> ...Only my staircase since I live on a 3rd floor.
[09:27:45] <archivist> I came over for a steam rally
[09:28:20] <Demure_> I had no idea we had such a thing.
[09:28:30] <archivist> was at hellevoetsluis
[09:29:18] <Demure_> Pretty nearby
[09:31:10] <archivist> lookup vestingdagen and hellevoetsluis
[09:31:45] <Demure_> Had a good time?
[09:31:50] <archivist> 1980's-1990's cant remember exact year
[09:31:54] <archivist> yes
[09:32:58] <archivist> noticed a pair of words on many signs, over here put te koop on our stall.....
[09:33:40] <archivist> eventually someone asked why, to catch a dutchman was my reply
[09:33:57] <Demure_> Haha
[09:34:02] <Demure_> Would do the trick
[09:34:09] <Demure_> Aanbieding would also help
[09:34:38] <archivist> a later year he brought me a printed sign, te koop and on the reverse te huur
[09:54:17] <JT-Shop> hmm I can make a sub to set Z0 on my lathe after parting off cause I know where it is... would save some time
[10:01:39] <gregcnc> making several parts from a piece of stock?
[10:02:46] <JT-Shop> yea
[10:03:29] <gregcnc> shift the origin after every part, just don't forget to shift it back at the end of the program
[10:04:46] <archivist> or just shift the bar :)
[10:05:08] <gregcnc> you do that so you don't have to shift the bar
[10:06:11] <JT-Shop> right, that is what I need to do as I can cut several parts off then slide bar out and touch off
[10:06:26] <gregcnc> if you're making say washers and can make 5 per cycle, it's handy
[10:06:41] <JT-Shop> but I can't get the stupid file managler to connect to the lathe :(
[10:06:54] * JT-Shop mutters a bunch of sailor talk
[10:07:34] <gregcnc> use your turret/tool as a stop for the next stock pull. no need to touch off
[10:07:36] <JT-Shop> going to add that feature to my parting sub one day when I can communicate with the land
[10:07:57] <JT-Shop> the collet pulls it back so not to accurate
[10:09:32] <gregcnc> yeah, if touching off is faster than some extra facing passes
[10:32:13] <Erant> Here's a slightly dumb question.
[10:33:40] <Deejay> there are no dumb questions. only dumb people. eh wait - only dumb answers ;)
[10:34:04] <Erant> So I've got this square bar that I need to make a fairly accurate hole in (both size-wise and alignment wise). But it won't fit in my mill. (Or at least... it might but only barely and the right tool probably won't fit)
[10:34:22] <Erant> So I figured I'd get the four-jaw chuck and do it on the lathe.
[10:34:43] <Erant> I'll finish the stock off real nice on the mill, make it all square.
[10:34:49] <JT-Shop> that's what I'd do too
[10:34:58] <Erant> But it'll be sticking out like 7"
[10:35:09] <JT-Shop> I always use a 4 jaw in the lathe
[10:35:16] <Erant> Now, these operations are all mostly with the forces towards the headstock.
[10:35:35] <JT-Shop> won't fit in the headstock?
[10:35:41] <Erant> JT-Shop: Eh, the 3-jaw's accurate-ish enough for most of the shit I do. I just happen to also have a good four-jaw.
[10:36:08] <Erant> JT-Shop: It's a 1.5" x 2.5" block o' 6061
[10:36:27] <Erant> So, beefy 4 pound chunk o' aluminum.
[10:37:14] <Erant> I'll probably end up milling it down to about... 2.5 pounds before it gets mounted though.
[10:37:23] <Erant> But yes, fairly beefy piece of square stock.
[10:38:05] <JT-Shop> yea a 3 jaw is ok if you don't take the part out or want to put a part back in
[10:38:06] <Erant> But it's mainly drilling operations (and I'll just step through the drills nice 'n easy), and at the end it'll be a boring op to bring it to final size.
[10:38:32] <Erant> So there's going to be a torque on the part obviously, but most of the forces are towards the head stock.
[10:38:52] <Erant> I'm trying to convince myself that makes it OK to have it stick out that far if I take it easy.
[10:39:32] <Erant> (and I have a VFD, so I can have the lathe run nice and slow too)
[10:40:59] <JT-Shop> I guess it depends on how big your chuck jaws are
[10:41:29] <archivist> how tight, and can you add support
[10:41:44] <MacGalempsy> morning all
[10:41:45] <Erant> The drilling ops I'm not too worried about. Because of the two opposite flutes, the force will be in the center of the part. As long as the jaws don't let the part rotate, it should be fine. (which isn't a big deal, even for my 5" chuck).
[10:41:53] <archivist> but I admit to larger overhangs when drilling
[10:42:33] <Erant> archivist: Yeah, I'm not overly worried about the drilling. It's the boring, because of the asymmetry.
[10:43:13] <Erant> JT-Shop: They're not too big, but I can tighten 'm up pretty good. It's a quality chuck.
[10:43:19] <archivist> boring too the bad bit is full depth anyway
[10:43:26] <JT-Shop> got a steady rest?
[10:43:33] <Erant> JT-Shop: It's square stock ;)
[10:43:38] <JT-Shop> so
[10:43:59] <Erant> Yeah, I guess I could machine something to hold it.
[10:44:04] <JT-Shop> yep
[10:44:35] <Erant> I'll think about it, I have a buddy that I'm pretty sure has a steady-rest for my lathe.
[10:45:04] <archivist> usually the boring bar vibration is a lot more of a problem than the stock
[10:45:35] <Erant> Hmm. The actual hole depth isn't horrible. It's about 1.5", ~4cm.
[10:45:45] <Erant> Plus I can take shallow cuts.
[10:46:24] <Erant> I just need to go from .5" (the biggest drill my 618 can really handle) to ~.625".
[10:47:12] <JT-Shop> well that worked :)
[10:48:30] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: first morning of bb&bbq and already pulled a rescue mission
[10:48:41] <Erant> JT-Shop: You added the functionality you need?
[10:51:44] <JT-Shop> yes, works good
[10:51:49] <JT-Shop> rescue?
[10:52:30] <MacGalempsy> stranded biker chick out of gas
[10:53:09] <MacGalempsy> after a 0800 wakeup
[10:53:21] <MacGalempsy> several spyders
[10:53:57] <MacGalempsy> on the street
[10:57:12] <Erant> MacGalempsy: Out of gas? Guessing she hadn't been riding very long.
[10:57:34] <Erant> I made that mistake once, when I started riding.
[10:58:02] <MacGalempsy> Erant: so the story goes it was an open bar in Tulsa, and she decided after to ride over to Fayetteville for the event
[10:58:11] <MacGalempsy> AFTER sevral Crown and COkes
[10:58:12] <MacGalempsy> lol
[10:58:27] <MacGalempsy> then rode all night on a rural highway that has 0 gas stations
[10:58:33] <MacGalempsy> and lost her wallet along the way
[10:58:45] <JT-Shop> lol drunk biker chick
[10:59:59] <MacGalempsy> yeah. and we just fed her a couple mimosas
[11:00:06] <MacGalempsy> so she is back at her best
[11:04:55] <Erant> O_o Oh man I have one golden rule about riding a motorcycle.
[11:05:08] <Erant> You do _not_ drink _anything_
[11:05:28] <Erant> Though I guess a spyder might be a little more forgiving.
[11:05:44] <Erant> But even with a car, it's one drink + 30-45 minutes.
[11:06:51] <Erant> (Also holy shit she was riding from Tulsa to Fayetteville on a whim? Djeezus)
[11:10:23] <MacGalempsy> Erant: not really a whim, three is a huge biker rally here this weekend
[11:10:45] <MacGalempsy> but still, she was supposed to ride over with my cousin this AM
[11:14:07] <Erant> Sure, that's still a long ass ride though, and not really one you should do without at least making sure there's a gas station or two along the road ;)
[11:14:35] <archivist> nice one in a box http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371745348295
[11:15:02] <MacGalempsy_> yeah
[11:21:25] <Erant> archivist: Outside of collecting them, what do you use them for mostly?
[11:23:08] <Erant> I mean, there's only so many precision lathes to install :)
[11:24:52] <Duc_mobile> ok tigging aluminum is alot different then steel but I think I finally got my parts done
[11:28:07] <Erant> Duc_mobile: For sure. Did you round off your tungsten?
[11:31:43] <JT-Shop> need pure tungsten for alum
[11:35:20] <Erant> JT-Shop: I think more importantly, unlike steel a sharp point don't work.
[11:35:26] <Erant> http://image.hotrod.com/f/techarticles/hrdp_1304_step_by_tig_weld_aluminum_like_a_pro/46379607/hrdp-1304-03+step-by-tig-weld-aluminum-like-a-pro+pure-tungsten-electrode.jpg
[11:36:28] <MacGalempsy_> is the pro style with or without the ball on the end?
[11:39:18] <Erant> Hah. With ;) It's easy to put on, just set the machine to DC with a good high current and hold it to some steel plate.
[11:40:37] <MacGalempsy_> just asking because I have never tig welded
[11:41:11] <Erant> Aluminum's a bit of a bitch.
[11:42:01] <Erant> When you're welding steel, the only thing exposed on the surface (assuming you did a good job of cleaning) is metal.
[11:42:34] <Erant> Aluminum on the other hand always has a layer of oxide-salts.
[11:42:44] <Erant> 12:13 < Erant> Aluminum's a bit of a bitch.
[11:42:45] <Erant> 12:14 < Erant> When you're welding steel, the only thing exposed on the surface (assuming you did a good job of cleaning) is metal.
[11:42:50] <Erant> In case you missed it.
[11:43:21] <Erant> The oxides don't conduct electricity, so you gotta get rid of 'm somehow to get to the good stuff underneath.
[11:44:01] <Erant> TIG does this by constantly reversing the polarity of the electricity. When it goes one way, it cleans the metal, when it goes the other way, it welds the metal.
[11:44:32] <Erant> The cleaning bit heats up your electrode a bunch, so no sharp tips.
[11:44:42] <Erant> Need a nice ball to absorb that heat.
[11:45:18] <JT-Shop> great, now my Z material touch off button does not work and I don't have a clue why
[11:45:27] <Erant> 'cuz you broke it?
[11:45:35] <Duc_mobile> Erant: yes i did since I have a synicrowave 200
[11:46:24] <Duc_mobile> Not to bad once I would get the puddle started after I did the first one
[11:46:36] <Duc_mobile> works alot better with filler rod
[11:47:13] <Erant> Isn't that true for most any welds? I mean, unless you're trying to get an undercut.
[11:47:26] <MacGalempsy> polish off the oxidation first?
[11:47:41] <Duc_mobile> couldnt get the sucker to fuse together till I got the filler rod in there
[11:47:47] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: just push harder!
[11:48:48] <Duc_mobile> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/20160924_105717_zpsqldtu3fy.jpg
[11:49:17] <Erant> MacGalempsy: Comes back instantly. It's the reason aluminum's fairly resistant to most stuff.
[11:49:43] <JT-Shop> I had to restart Axis before it worked correctly...
[11:49:58] <Erant> (Except most anything base, like lye. It's why you should never use drain cleaner on aluminum drains. You'll have none left!)
[11:50:17] <JT-Shop> I aborted the run so something must have been in effect that screwed me up
[11:50:42] * Tom_itx bets JT-Shop carries a flask in his pocket with gas in it :)
[11:51:16] * JT-Shop knows where the gas stations are and how many miles I can go on a beer
[11:53:28] <JT-Shop> I changed the order of the ops and now the part comes out burr free!
[11:55:23] <renesis> penguins go brrrr!
[11:55:34] <Deejay> you mean you do the deburring as last step now? ;)
[11:56:01] <MacGalempsy> best part is no tumbler needed?
[11:56:21] <JT-Shop> the parting tool was raising a burr so I did a partial part then the od then finished the parting
[11:56:25] <Tom_itx> speaking of penguins http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/penguin.jpg
[11:56:31] <Tom_itx> they can fly...
[11:56:47] <Deejay> :)
[11:57:18] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy every shop needs one
[11:59:33] <renesis> im not a shop, i want one
[11:59:33] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: ok, I guess mine is still a garage then
[11:59:49] <Tom_itx> heh
[12:00:01] <Tom_itx> they do save time on small parts
[12:00:44] <Erant> Depends on how many you're making I guess
[12:09:24] <JT-Shop> any ideas on making a vibratory or tumbler deburr thing
[12:09:58] <Tom_itx> mound a tank on some of those rubber motor mounts
[12:10:12] <Tom_itx> add an offset weight to a pulley and motor on the side
[12:10:41] <Tom_itx> add a water bar inside
[12:11:18] <Tom_itx> the last one my bud got was maybe the size of 2 5gal buckets end to end
[12:11:38] <Tom_itx> with a lid like a bbq has
[12:12:21] <JT-Shop> a tub type vibrator
[12:13:05] <Tom_itx> http://www.harborfreight.com/5-lb-metal-vibrator-tumbler-67617.html
[12:13:15] <Tom_itx> i doubt you can make one for less
[12:13:24] <Tom_itx> it would probably last longer though
[12:13:50] <JT-Shop> I'm not to impressed with anything central machinery makes :)
[12:13:58] <Tom_itx> me either
[12:14:01] <JT-Shop> http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-18-lb-tumbler.html
[12:14:29] <Tom_itx> that's similar to the first one he had
[12:14:36] <archivist> Erant, everyone needs one or two, I already have some, hence I pasted that one for others
[12:14:39] <JT-Shop> I could make a 30" tub type but the urethane lining is a problem
[12:14:53] <Tom_itx> get a soap drum
[12:14:57] <Tom_itx> they're plastic
[12:15:06] <Tom_itx> aka car wash soap
[12:15:30] <JT-Shop> they come in plastic square pails
[12:15:32] <Tom_itx> i got several from a guy here for free a few years back
[12:15:41] <Tom_itx> 20 gal
[12:15:46] <Tom_itx> and some 30
[12:15:55] <JT-Shop> they used them to block off the street while building a new car wash
[12:16:13] <Tom_itx> iirc you can still buy them here... back then i got em free
[12:17:16] <Tom_itx> just don't get any that had toxic chems in em
[12:17:34] <JT-Shop> pickle barrels work great
[12:17:49] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:18:36] <JT-Shop> lol I could just use a 5 gallon bucket
[12:20:21] * JT-Shop thinks a nap is in order
[12:22:33] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:22:53] <IchGucksLive> JesusAlos: did you recive the mail
[12:27:23] <Erant> archivist: Ah. I thought you collected them?
[12:30:01] <Erant> I realize this is a question fraught with peril, but any opinions on 2 flute vs 3 flute for aluminum? I've got a 3 flute cobalt coarse rougher that eats aluminum for breakfast even on my shitty mill but I'm not sure how much of that is the 3 flutes and how much of that is just the corncob.
[12:30:42] <Erant> And I broke all my 1/8" end mills (pieces of crap anyway), so I'm ordering a bunch more.
[12:31:03] <Erant> Stub ones this time.
[12:31:13] <IchGucksLive> 3flutes are way better on hard Alu
[12:31:27] <Erant> I mostly do mushy 6061
[12:31:29] <renesis> its mostly about chip clearing, ive used 4 flute a bunch and its fine as long as you get the chips out
[12:31:32] <IchGucksLive> and they are them cheep on China Hss-E
[12:32:09] <Erant> IchGucksLive: I... have mostly stopped getting Chinese tools except for the odd thing that I'll use once.
[12:32:26] <renesis> hardcore
[12:32:48] <IchGucksLive> ok but good tools stay not that mutch longer on 10times the price
[12:33:25] <renesis> i dunno man, they often last 2 to 10 times longer and cost 2x to 4x more
[12:33:39] <Erant> It depends. I have a $7 3/8" 2 flute that's lasting significantly longer than the Chinese one I had before it.
[12:33:52] <Erant> (Now, have I also learned not to do stupid shit with it? Yes.)
[12:33:57] <Erant> Well...
[12:33:58] <renesis> ha
[12:34:00] <Erant> Less stupid shit
[12:34:13] <renesis> can you run coolant?
[12:34:33] <IchGucksLive> 6mm bit at 1Euro
[12:34:49] <renesis> cheap tools will dull a bit, and if you dont run coolant, then they get hot and dull a lot, then shit starts glowing
[12:34:50] <Erant> Manually right now. Trying to figure out the best mister setup that doesn't require a 12HP compressor.
[12:35:04] <renesis> manually is fine if you arent falling asleep
[12:35:31] <Erant> I thought about running flood coolant, but it's messy and probably not the best setup for my shitty mill.
[12:36:14] <renesis> i run rustlick water soluble oil, hasnt been a problem for the steel bits in my mill
[12:36:24] <Erant> (I give the thing a hard time, really it's OK for what it is, being Chinese)
[12:36:37] <renesis> oh
[12:36:56] <renesis> ya mine is not a chinamill, its a little guy but i think its from florida or someplace over there
[12:37:10] <Erant> I'm replacing it with a better one once I really run into its limits.
[12:37:30] <Erant> I haven't yet, and it's good learning.
[12:38:07] <renesis> oh neat, i guess from arizona
[12:38:15] <Erant> What's the brand?
[12:38:19] <renesis> taig
[12:38:24] <Erant> Oh, right.
[12:38:26] <renesis> i have a 2019 w/ ER spindle
[12:38:38] <renesis> for like, i dunno 10 years now
[12:38:59] <renesis> is like same machine, little better even, all broken in
[12:39:52] <renesis> i have it on a 2x4 folding leg table, the column rotates parallel to Y sao you can lay it down flat
[12:40:07] <renesis> shit fit in the trunk of my volvo 740, fits east into back of my scion tc
[12:41:01] <renesis> only 80 lbs, the iron square tube base and column is awesome
[12:41:04] <Cromaglious> renesis, how long does it take you to retram after moving column?
[12:41:36] <renesis> i dunno that definitely depends how much i give a shit
[12:41:48] <renesis> but like, not more than a few minutes usually
[12:42:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.taigtools.com/Images/millparts9.GIF
[12:42:21] <Erant> Yeah, I'd probably figure out a way of fixing that column. Probably helps with rigidity. (I opted for the fixed column on my Sieg)
[12:42:35] <renesis> i usually eyeball it initially, too, its not that hard to, i have my indicator spaced out pretty wide
[12:43:06] <Erant> I like the 45 degree ways. Wonder why they didn't do it for X.
[12:43:20] <Erant> Space, I guess.
[12:43:23] <renesis> prob space
[12:43:56] <renesis> when it was new it was kind of touchy about its X gib, but that hasnt been a problem for a very long time
[12:44:19] <CaptHindsight> what size is the bolt that holds the column?
[12:44:33] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: 4-40 ;)
[12:44:38] <renesis> ha
[12:44:49] <renesis> its a huge stud
[12:45:01] <renesis> see on the front foot there is a cap nut?
[12:45:13] <renesis> im guessing its 1/2"
[12:45:24] <renesis> maybe 3/8
[12:45:37] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: what wavelength is your laser engraver?
[12:45:51] <renesis> 200-15 and 200-20 are big chunks of cast Al
[12:46:07] <renesis> and the table is anodized Al
[12:46:14] <CaptHindsight> yag 1064nm or 10.6um CO2?
[12:46:31] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: YaG != CO2
[12:46:37] <renesis> the Z ways are steel
[12:46:39] <Erant> renesis: Ooh, that's interesting. The table's aluminum?
[12:46:42] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Mine is a C)2 laser
[12:46:49] <jymmm> CO2
[12:47:05] <renesis> yeah, so the X axis is basically anodized aluminum on cast aluminum
[12:47:32] <renesis> brass gib the entire length on one side
[12:47:37] <CaptHindsight> yag is 1064nm or 1.064um, CO2 is 10.6um an order of magnitude difference
[12:47:37] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Question... does the GND wire need to be the same gauge as hot(s) and neutral ?
[12:47:55] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: it dedpends
[12:48:00] <CaptHindsight> depends even
[12:48:04] <renesis> anyway its a light machine, its great for aluminum, for steel you have to pay attention to shit
[12:48:06] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Why are you asking about wavelength?
[12:48:37] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: been finding deals on galvos, lenses etc
[12:48:40] <renesis> theres enough flex that itll eat tools and do total shit finishes in steel if you push it or go to slow
[12:48:50] <Erant> renesis: Same here. It does OK on cold-rolled, but don't expect it to turn a chunk of 4140 into chips in a minute.
[12:48:51] <CaptHindsight> CO2 and Yag, mostly Yag
[12:49:00] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: You want a YaG if you can get it
[12:49:16] <jymmm> Yag can do Titanium =)
[12:49:29] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: depends on what you want to do with it
[12:49:41] <Erant> renesis: I've found this 1/4" 4 flute rougher that actually shows through steel pretty good even on my machine.
[12:49:43] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Not really, you want a YaG
[12:49:51] <CaptHindsight> etch, sinter, cut and what materials
[12:49:56] <Erant> eh. 'chews', not 'shows'
[12:50:23] <renesis> ha @ 4fl 1/4 rougher, sounds cute like a kitten
[12:50:53] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: ok, I'll tell them that they are all wrong, jymmm says.....
[12:51:11] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: This is a titanium ring engraved using a YaG http://imgur.com/a/u1IXn
[12:51:16] <renesis> i should try and find something like that
[12:51:20] <renesis> bbl
[12:51:51] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: how is that relevant to sintering thermoplastic powders?
[12:52:24] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: get your wiring all done?
[12:52:39] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: It's not, but the investment into a CO2 is limiting
[12:53:21] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: You get a CO2 because you are too poor to afford a YaG
[12:53:39] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: I picked up a 10mm galvo head with f-theta for Yag for $200
[12:53:41] <jymmm> The speed/capabilities are frickin awesome
[12:53:51] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: FUCK YOU!
[12:54:01] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[12:54:40] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: No, been dealing with fryrot, concrete, for the last two months, trying to do thw wiring now but short on grn wire
[12:54:46] <jymmm> dry rot
[12:54:55] <CaptHindsight> Cambridge unit at that
[12:55:57] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: I got that generator cable and socket, and going with that instead of a sub panel for now.
[12:56:39] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: BTW you can use powder coat paint (powder) + co2 laser and comes out very nice.
[12:56:54] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: HarborFreight has them for $6/jar
[12:57:39] <jymmm> just dont breath =)
[12:57:45] <CaptHindsight> like a color laser printer for 3d parts
[12:58:05] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: 1D
[12:59:26] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Due to the length of the run, I'm thinking of pulling 2x 12Ga stranded per (equiv to 10ga) or is 12ga truly enough?
[12:59:49] <jymmm> 70ft 220@20A, plus backfee potential
[12:59:56] <jymmm> backfeed
[13:00:27] <CaptHindsight> for code you aren't allowed to parallel conductors until ~4ga, I'd have to check
[13:00:58] <jymmm> is it "A Bad Thing" to do?
[13:01:12] <Erant> renesis: I know right? But it works really well on a smaller machine. I have a 3/8" one for aluminum as well.
[13:02:14] <Erant> I used it to machine a new 'arm' so I could replace the Z-axis screw (which was a regular 60 degree V-thread) with a ballscrew.
[13:02:49] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: is it "A Bad Thing" to do?
[13:03:00] <jymmm> brb
[13:03:47] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: just not code
[13:05:04] <Erant> renesis: http://www.ebay.com/itm/141380996658
[13:05:18] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: but it applies to trying say use 2 #12 when a #10 is required
[13:06:00] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: it also applies to voltage drop
[13:06:24] <Erant> (Though mine was AlTiN coated. Not because I wanted it, 'cuz it was the cheapest one... )
[13:06:59] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: https://imagebin.ca/v/2wCbQQ8L7oiS
[13:07:34] <IchGucksLive> Todays special milling i will get a better vid promis -> https://youtu.be/Ht7CzTklUEk
[13:07:42] <IchGucksLive> its quick and dirty
[13:07:51] <IchGucksLive> only at 1500mm/min
[13:08:00] <IchGucksLive> the cat comes of blender
[13:08:15] <IchGucksLive> g-code out of deskproto
[13:08:36] <IchGucksLive> material is Sika 400
[13:09:44] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: bbl
[13:09:46] <IchGucksLive> my mashine needs more speed
[13:11:08] <IchGucksLive> the rotation axis is a simple lowcost gearstepper
[13:11:27] <IchGucksLive> at 27:1 gives 30steps per degree
[13:11:35] <IchGucksLive> its cool milling
[13:12:08] <IchGucksLive> JesusAlos: ?
[13:12:54] <IchGucksLive> http://stores.ebay.de/StepperOnline/Nema-17-Geared-/_i.html?_fsub=10778970012&_sid=1179735022&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
[13:13:12] <IchGucksLive> workes fine at that issue
[13:14:02] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ok
[13:14:08] <IchGucksLive> ok im off GN8
[13:14:36] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: work and stuff, sheesh
[13:15:29] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: ANY TIME YOU WANT TO SEND THAT GALVO MY MAY, let me know and I'll send a prepaid shipping label =)
[13:15:37] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: they allow to double up on conductors for example with service entrances
[13:16:22] <CaptHindsight> double up on #000 vs 1 conductor to make it easier to pull and it's lower cost
[13:16:35] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, is 12ga REALLY big enough for a 70ft run of 220@20A? Knowing that I'll also use it to backfeed?
[13:17:01] <jymmm> just seems a bit small
[13:17:26] <jymmm> 12ga stranded if it mkes a difference
[13:17:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html
[13:18:32] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: 5% vs 1% loss
[13:19:41] <jymmm> sorry 1% vs 2%
[13:20:02] <jymmm> I have enough wire for two parallel, except ground =)
[13:20:13] <jymmm> thats why I was asking =)
[13:21:10] <CaptHindsight> it's fine from a current and voltage drop perspective, but code has other reasons
[13:22:01] <CaptHindsight> plus "the overcurrent protection for a branch circuit supplying a continuous load shall be at least 125 percent of the continuous load"
[13:22:21] <CaptHindsight> so it gets more complicated
[13:22:52] <CaptHindsight> 20A breaker on #12 copper doesn't mean you can run a 19A load continuously
[13:23:10] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: I dont mind breaking code if it's "reasonable". 3/4" conduit can carry 8X 12ga, so I'm good there.
[13:23:27] <CaptHindsight> 16A would be the max continuous load allowd
[13:23:56] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: and at 2x12ga (10ga) ?
[13:24:13] <CaptHindsight> use the calculator
[13:24:22] <CaptHindsight> ok, now have to run, hasta banana
[13:24:37] <jymmm> bu bye!
[13:59:31] * JT-Shop fixes the default spindle speed on the harding
[13:59:33] <JT-Shop> e
[14:32:34] <witnit> Tom_itx: thanks I saw them but the main problem is that this was basicly the same machine with the manual clutches but the shaft differs and they are hydraulicly actuated. It looks to me like clausing was just jumping on the CNC bandwagon and did a very fast retrofit
[14:35:27] <witnit1> the clutch looks like it got very hot and was engaging when it was not supposed to be it appeared to be trying to turn the spindle forward then backwards and like oscillating between the two. when I opened the gearbox and activated the reversing clutch hydraulic fluid sprayed from around the body of it and would not actuate
[15:16:09] <witnit> the end of the shaft has a bronze part which has two interlock tabs very similar to this http://www.fignoggle.com/machines/round-column-mill-drills/figNoggle_daytonRollPin.jpg
[15:18:01] <witnit> since I saw no real use for the interlocking design I made a matching socket to try to turn it though havent tried yet. has anyone ever seen a shaft with something like that on the end to function like a nut? or know what it would be used for?
[15:34:20] <witnit> wow this is a really great set of videos to memorize https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOZT14RjCI&list=PLy2mkL5gHyrPPBl9UwTOm8f1sB1HNe9v_
[17:04:20] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: off work now?
[17:04:40] <XXCoder> no
[17:04:47] <XXCoder> freenode is having bad issues
[17:04:53] <XXCoder> took me while to reconnect
[17:09:06] <JT-Shop> oh yea it's the weekend... just like any other day to me
[17:10:49] <JT-Shop> wife came home from the grocery store with a 12 pack of Corona for me... I had a 12 pack + 4 that's over 3 weeks worth of beer!
[17:12:40] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: nah it was really nasty
[17:12:52] <XXCoder> took me almost hour and half to reconnect
[17:13:03] <XXCoder> xx was test to see if freenode was up at all
[17:13:04] <JT-Shop> it's like that for me sometimes with sat
[17:15:20] <JT-Shop> dang a few reconnects and I'll have a hot glue machine lol
[17:15:47] <XXCoder> lol indeed
[17:43:48] <JT-Shop> have you ever flamed the outside of a printed part to smooth it?
[17:49:55] <SpeedEvil> Well, plastic in general
[17:52:32] <SpeedEvil> https://www.ykt.co.jp/english/products/atl/pdf/atl_catalog.pdf
[17:52:36] <SpeedEvil> though not like that
[17:56:12] <pink_vampire|2> i need that next to my datron
[17:56:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:57:01] <SpeedEvil> you've gotta love a process which starts 'pressurise to 30PSI with a mixture of oxygen and propane and then light'
[17:57:28] <pink_vampire> sounds cuuuuute
[17:58:32] <JT-Shop> prob not as loud as 3oz of F in the cannon...
[18:00:11] <pink_vampire> i need to face to bottom part
[18:00:28] <pink_vampire> side of the*
[18:08:47] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop we've flamed the edge of parts to harden them
[18:09:24] <Tom_itx> they put printed parts in acetone fumes to smooth them
[18:12:32] <JT-Shop> ah that makes sense
[18:13:44] <Tom_itx> weakens it a bit but makes it look nice
[18:15:11] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:16:05] <Tom_itx> i would but my fingers are greasy from fried chicken
[19:44:25] <Cromaglious> sometimes the acetone fumes actually makes it stronger... fills in all the delaminations
[19:45:20] <pfred1> I need to restock acetone
[19:45:28] <pfred1> it is my favorite organic solvent
[19:45:58] <pfred1> when I have acetone around i use it for lots of stuff
[19:46:44] <pfred1> right now I'm using lacquer thinner because it's what I got
[20:18:39] <FloppyDisk525> man it takes me a long time to generate tool paths in hsmworks... finally got it, but hours. I'll be faster next time, part isn't that hard, could've programmed by hand.
[20:19:35] <LeelooMinai> FloppyDisk525: What about Fusion360? From what I have seen, it has pretty user-firendly CAM
[20:19:36] <andypugh> Once you know the sequence it takes very little time.
[20:19:52] <andypugh> Fusion360 CAM == HSMworks
[20:19:56] <FloppyDisk525> Yup...
[20:20:02] <FloppyDisk525> Same cam download for SW's.
[20:20:27] <FloppyDisk525> I'm just new and needed/wanted to work in g55 coordinates vs. g54. So little setup things like that.
[20:21:02] <FloppyDisk525> Plus my coordinates x and y were first sideways, then reversed in respective directions (if that makes sense).
[20:21:30] <FloppyDisk525> Actually, I really like the cam, it's not too bad to use, but a bit of learning.
[20:22:00] <andypugh> FloppyDisk525: Yes, you need to make a setup first, and set the XYZ orientations and origins
[20:22:19] <FloppyDisk525> Yeah - I'm not sure why I had that off.
[20:22:35] <andypugh> But once you know that is in setup, it is basically 3 mounse clicks.
[20:22:37] <LeelooMinai> btw, finished my enclosure (partially at least): https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/29276743343
[20:22:59] <FloppyDisk525> I don't recall the last time I did it, but it didn't seem like I had to do that. Anyway, it's getting there...:-)
[20:23:41] <FloppyDisk525> LeelooMinai - that's clean... Don't get any chips in your sock or skivy drawers:-)
[20:23:44] <andypugh> FloppyDisk525: Maybe last time the model origin aand orientation in the CAD was conveniently correct.
[20:23:55] <FloppyDisk525> I think you're right...
[20:24:16] <andypugh> LeelooMinai: Ever thought of making an anodising tank?
[20:24:17] <FloppyDisk525> I tried to mess w/ it as little as possible, this time I 'couldn't', but no matter, learned
[20:24:59] <LeelooMinai> andypugh: I don't like chemical processes very much...
[20:25:26] <LeelooMinai> Tend to get nasty and dangerous to health:p
[20:25:32] <FloppyDisk525> I wonder how fusion360 compares w/ Solidworks. I couldn't afford to keep the license up:-(
[20:25:39] <andypugh> I just see all that aluminium and think it could be more purple :-)
[20:25:52] <FloppyDisk525> ahhh on the more purple:-)
[20:26:27] <LeelooMinai> Aluminum looks good by itself imo:)
[20:27:44] <FloppyDisk525> Now... WinSCP (ssh) the gcode files to the machine in the garage:-)
[20:28:06] <FloppyDisk525> Not as nice as andy's screen view to watch axis, but I'll take it:-)
[20:32:53] <FloppyDisk525> LeelooMinai are you using that xcellMon for your router and did you build it?
[20:33:28] <LeelooMinai> FloppyDisk525: I designed/built it, but that's actually solar cell monitor
[20:33:29] <gregcnc> I love HSMXpress. Fusion 360 is awkward coming from SW. I've only used it a bit. but CAM is identical to hsmxpress
[20:34:56] <andypugh> I use Inventor a lot, and 360 feels similar, but different. More different than you might think.
[20:37:07] <FloppyDisk525> It's strange AutoDesk has Inventor and 360, why not an inventor light? Haven't kept up on the autodesk CAD products.
[20:37:38] <FloppyDisk525> I do think they're all migrating towards web based.
[20:56:52] <Cromaglious_> another reason to get fast internet
[20:58:40] <Cromaglious_> I got a question... will an X3 or RF45 will the bed go back far enough in Y to mill something clamped to the front of the bed?
[20:59:41] <andypugh> It might not help, if you are trying to mill the end of something long, like you can with a Deckel
[21:00:16] <Cromaglious_> suppose you want to mill the end of like a side plate on a gantry and mill a slot or drill a hole in the end
[21:00:29] <Cromaglious_> on the edge
[21:01:46] <Cromaglious_> on my 3040 I can hang out over the front edge almost 3cm
[21:03:02] <andypugh> In the X3 etc the Y slide, handwheel etc are in the way.
[21:03:55] <Cromaglious_> on a round column you can swing it to the side and go off the back of the table off to the side
[21:04:28] <andypugh> Yes, but X3 and RF35 are not round-column
[21:04:52] <Cromaglious_> guess I need to start thinking about making or getting a right angle head...
[21:06:13] <andypugh> Does your head rotate?
[21:06:31] <andypugh> (If so, you might need to see an excorcist)
[21:06:40] <Cromaglious_> don't have one yet...
[21:07:37] <Cromaglious_> I've had 3 things I needed to drill in the end of somethings over 12" long... it would have been nice to mill a slot in one
[21:08:41] <andypugh> On the RF45 the head tilts left and right.
[21:08:52] <andypugh> So you could so it that way.
[21:09:10] <Cromaglious_> 2 I was able to rig the drill press to do... 3rd need more accuracy
[21:09:21] <andypugh> But you would need to put the work on pretty thick blocks
[21:09:40] <Cromaglious_> 2-4-6 blocks aren't that bad proce wise
[21:09:48] <Cromaglious_> price
[21:10:10] <andypugh> If you haven’t bought the mill, then maybe get one with both vertical and horizontal spindles?
[21:11:36] <Cromaglious_> that's a thought... work on getting a collet rig for the lathe and a milling attachment
[21:12:22] <andypugh> Just buy this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deckel-cnc-mill-milling-machine-FP3A-universal-head-and-table-move-see-video-/201653268343?hash=item2ef378af77:g:wjwAAOSw5dNWoT7H
[21:15:19] <Cromaglious_> this is more my price http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deckel-cnc-mill-milling-machine-FP3A-universal-head-and-table-move-see-video-/201653268343?hash=item2ef378af77:g:wjwAAOSw5dNWoT7H
[21:15:44] <andypugh> Same link?
[21:16:23] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brown-sharpe-BS-2-universal-mill-milling-machine/172341189471?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D616751e224b24ee488f5f134280a0b9d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201653268343
[21:16:35] <Cromaglious_> oops... damn slow computer...
[21:17:01] <andypugh> If you have the space, that looks good
[21:19:28] <Cromaglious_> it would be tight... but it'll do vertical or horizontal.. looks like it has the crane for the head to come off and use as a horizontal...
[21:19:46] <Cromaglious_> don't know if it has the arbor guide for the horizontal
[21:21:11] <andypugh> There is a CIncinatti even cheaper and possibly a bit more compact
[21:21:19] <Cromaglious_> nice collection of bozo's on the table...
[21:24:53] <Cromaglious_> yeah.. I'm going to have to go up to Los Angles when I get money and go shopping...
[21:37:06] <Erant> Cromaglious_: Where are you again?
[21:38:09] <Erant> This guy's in SF: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/tls/5794516383.html
[21:38:48] <andypugh> Yeah but that’s a toy
[21:39:02] <Erant> Sure. But compared to his 3040...
[21:48:47] <Erant> andypugh: Out of curiosity, because one day I'll want to move up, what's the smallest mill you don't consider a toy?
[21:52:08] <andypugh> It’s not really about size. This is tiny, but not a toy: http://www.lathes.co.uk/aciera/
[21:54:00] <Erant> Fair enough.
[21:54:25] <andypugh> would say my Harrison is a real tool, but small enough for me to find a home for
[21:55:52] <andypugh> https://goo.gl/photos/W8S9mXWcBjVhCFoa9
[21:56:12] <Erant> I'm not unhappy with my X1, tons of learning, good enough to churn out some parts, I can make it better, but it's obviously never going to be a 'real' tool.
[21:56:44] <Erant> I could proooobably fit that...
[21:57:27] <Erant> Little creativity involved actually getting it into its spot though
[21:57:32] <andypugh> The problem is that the X1 etc are sold at a price that wouldn’t cover a spare part for an industrial machine from the 1970s
[21:58:31] <andypugh> The spindle bearings alone for my Harrison are £400 a set, as an example.
[21:58:50] <Erant> Sure. And they're hit 'n miss too. Mine had a shit X-slide that was out of wack by more than a few thou across its length.
[21:59:05] <andypugh> (though that more because they are an annoying size than a sign of quality, though they do have serial numbers hand-engraved on them!)
[21:59:18] <Erant> I've seen some bridgeports go for less than what I paid for this mill though.
[21:59:34] <Erant> (Not that I could fit a bridgeport)
[21:59:45] <andypugh> And if you can find room for a BP, it will do a lot better work, and faster
[22:00:39] <andypugh> I currently have a lathe, milling machine, lathe/milling machine, motorcycle and bicycle fighting for space in a single-car garage
[22:01:05] <Erant> (Nor do I make or intend on making any parts that need that size) but the lack of rigidity plus general... fussiness of the X1 is annoying.
[22:01:08] <Erant> Impressive.
[22:01:26] <andypugh> But the lathe/milling machine goes on eBay tomorow.
[22:01:33] <andypugh> And now it really is time to sleep.
[22:01:44] <Erant> I've got the X1, lathe, plus 2 workbenches for assorted stuff (storage, bench grinder, saws, etc.)
[22:01:47] <Erant> Aight. 'nite
[22:41:59] <RootB> Hope you guys dont think ill of my shapeoko
[22:42:10] <RootB> I've spend some money on getting it rigid
[23:41:11] <Cromaglious_> RootB, I have a 3040.... laugh at me
[23:41:52] <Cromaglious_> although... I'm not running a GRBL controller...
[23:43:18] <Cromaglious_> I've replaced the guts of my YOOCNC controller with 6600 drivers.. upgraded the 300W spindle to 400W with speed control, haven't gotten the PWM working reliably though
[23:44:24] <Cromaglious_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CDg84zSq4
[23:46:45] <Cromaglious_> my shop area will be 10'x10' with daytime expansion to about 10'x18'. my lathe right now is at the front of the garage.. I have to open the garage door to use it. table saw I have to pull out of the garage and use it in the driveway