#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-09-23

[01:39:26] <Cromaglious_> brrr cold tonight
[02:24:16] <Deejay> moin
[05:23:48] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire|2
[05:34:30] <enleth> has anyone here made their own sheet metal hole cutters?
[05:34:52] <XXCoder> not me
[05:35:06] <enleth> the two-part manual kind that you use by tightening a screw
[05:35:12] <enleth> what's even the proper name for that?
[05:36:30] <CaptHindsight> hole punch
[05:37:05] <archivist> I know the sort https://www.rapidonline.com/Tools-Equipment/Q-Max-QMA16M-Q-max-Sheet-Metal-Hole-Punch-16mm-86-5306?IncVat=1&gclid=CJOOxbifpc8CFWUq0wodWq0HiQ
[05:37:09] <enleth> is there any specific name for this type? "hole punch" means a million things
[05:37:28] <enleth> anyway, I was wondering how hard is it to make those
[05:37:33] <archivist> q-max is the most common over here
[05:37:40] <CaptHindsight> knockout punch
[05:38:00] <enleth> CaptHindsight: bingo
[05:38:01] <archivist> not sure there is a generic name
[05:38:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.zoro.com/greenlee-hole-punch-set-10-piece-10-12-ga-steel-7235bb/i/G1705137
[05:38:16] <enleth> also chassis punch or panel punch, according to wikipedia
[05:38:48] <enleth> makes sense, you do use it on stuff you can't really haul over to a stationary punch or grab by the edge using a lever operated punch
[05:38:49] <archivist> I dont think those names can only be applied to them
[05:39:23] <enleth> archivist: fwiw, google images results for chassis punch are spot on
[05:39:32] <archivist> but they are a bit crappy, get a flypress
[05:40:13] <enleth> they're the only thing you can use when working with something you can't put in a press
[05:40:33] <archivist> I think they were firstly made for chassis valve holes
[05:40:43] <CaptHindsight> hole saw
[05:40:58] <enleth> and they do work nicely with an impact wrench
[05:41:24] <enleth> CaptHindsight: that's a no-go if you can't afford to have conductive chips thrown about
[05:41:46] <enleth> which, again, is the case for electrical panels, explaining one of the names I guess
[05:42:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.industrytap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2163.jpg
[05:43:11] <enleth> what the hell is that
[05:43:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.machinesales.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/handheld-laser-cutter-in-action.png
[05:43:42] <enleth> oh, ok
[05:43:49] <CaptHindsight> too messy?
[05:44:08] <enleth> a liiiittle bit, yeah
[05:44:21] <XXCoder> nice working suit
[05:44:33] <enleth> I'll stick with the panel punches and an impact wrench, thank you
[05:44:58] <CaptHindsight> just exploring other options
[05:45:00] <enleth> besides, they still are faster than a hole saw
[05:45:46] <enleth> to make a presentable hole with a hole saw, you have to clamp some sacrificial material on both sides of the sheet metal, otherwise you're going to get a huge ugly mess from the saw trying to bite into the sheet
[05:46:18] <enleth> that takes about as much time as making a pilot hole and assembling a panel punch
[05:46:26] <enleth> if not more
[05:46:40] <XXCoder> holy shit, dev replied to feedback I left to one of app... one I left at may 2012.
[05:46:51] <XXCoder> 4 years. yeah that is... very... speedy.
[05:46:57] <enleth> but those punches are, well, kind of expensive
[05:47:08] <archivist> used to use a whitney version of http://www.frost.co.uk/imperial-hand-held-power-punch-aviation-sheet-metal-hole-punch-kit.html?gclid=CP2giMehpc8CFQueGwoda2cPjw
[05:47:48] <XXCoder> aw tom video no caption
[05:47:53] <enleth> archivist: isn't that restricted to punching near an accessible edge?
[05:48:01] <XXCoder> glad he speaks so clearly for google autocaption
[05:48:10] <archivist> somewhat
[05:48:22] <XXCoder> bah wrong channel
[05:48:51] <enleth> archivist: cool stuff, but again, if you can only afford to have a nice big set of just one kind of punch, those panel punches are the way to go IMO
[05:49:24] <enleth> archivist: not very efficient, not very convenient, but will work in all those places you can't get a better punch into
[05:49:32] <enleth> (or can't get the place into a punch)
[05:49:35] <archivist> they are cheap enough to buy, I would not make them
[05:50:14] <CaptHindsight> avoid the HF set, they are about as hard as cold butter
[05:50:20] <enleth> square and rectangular ones aren't
[05:50:48] <jthornton> morning
[05:51:17] <enleth> there are even punches for various types of computer and telecom connectors, but those can be crazy expensive
[05:51:23] <archivist> inner/outer alignment matters
[05:53:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.zoro.com/greenlee-panel-punch-25-pin-connector-rs232/i/G3483803 $570 for a db-25
[05:57:14] <enleth> my point exactly
[05:57:19] <enleth> I've seen some cheaper
[05:57:26] <enleth> but none I'd call cheap
[05:57:52] <enleth> there's no way this thing actually costs 1/4 of that to make
[05:58:34] <jthornton> it's all about quantity when cost is calculated
[05:58:49] <enleth> well, yes
[05:58:50] <archivist> but the wire erosion machine setup and sales of 2 a year
[05:59:49] <enleth> actually thet might have made a box of that over a day and not have to set up this particular set of electrodes again for a couple of years
[06:03:07] <jthornton> and the blow molded case with the crooked label...
[06:03:07] <jthornton> with LinuxCNC you can cut out a DB25 hole for free using ngcgui
[06:04:20] <CaptHindsight> i think he needs to knock holes in panels that are already full of components
[06:04:24] <enleth> jthornton: again, *if* you can get that piece of sheet metal onto a mill
[06:05:19] <XXCoder> http://www.gbeshop.com/InfoBase/SAVEBASE/PKG/003958/Image/3Axis_TB6600_BOX_Details.jpg
[06:05:22] <enleth> CaptHindsight: full of components, or just in the middle of an enclosure that's already been bent into shape and welded/riveted
[06:05:23] <XXCoder> is that any good?
[06:05:50] <XXCoder> tb6600 comes with case and has pwm and "spindle connection interface" whatever it is
[06:05:55] <jthornton> you can always get a small piece of metal into a mill then fasten that to the larger part
[06:06:21] <enleth> jthornton: yeah, a double layer front panel is some kind of a solution
[06:06:44] <XXCoder> "Drive type Pulse + Direction + Enable Signal Control (Single-Chip PWM Bipolar Sine Chopper)"
[06:08:13] <archivist> anyway for one off front panel holes, drill and file
[06:08:24] <enleth> XXCoder: it's just a more-or-less-accurate application note design for Toshiba TB6600 and is as good as that chip
[06:08:48] <XXCoder> http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4956&sid=0163e19c6eec387b36912154a241ef68
[06:08:49] <XXCoder> hmm
[06:08:55] <enleth> which is, uh, a tad better than L298 but terribly so
[06:09:24] <enleth> it's not utter shit like L298
[06:09:29] <XXCoder> lol ok
[06:09:35] <enleth> it's just somewhat shit
[06:09:41] <archivist> enleth, we clock makers use a drill, saw to outline then file
[06:09:55] <XXCoder> enleth: is that PWM a input to computer? I may be misunderstanding something
[06:09:56] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016ZJS1FA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[06:10:14] <jthornton> I got some of those and they seem to work
[06:10:50] <enleth> archivist: I'm not a very patient person, unfortunately. when watching clickspring videos, I feel I'd thrown all that stuff out the window by the middle of the first episode
[06:11:13] <enleth> *I'd have
[06:11:41] <archivist> actually it is often as quick for one off jobs
[06:11:51] <enleth> I mean, I have immense respect for the guy
[06:11:52] <archivist> if not quicker
[06:12:00] <enleth> but it's not my kind of thing
[06:12:12] <enleth> one off maybe, yeah
[06:12:23] <enleth> I could do that
[06:12:25] <XXCoder> heh I can do maybe 10% of what clickspring fellow does.
[06:12:31] <enleth> I'd go nuts on the second identical hole, though
[06:12:43] <XXCoder> enleth: all that super accurate filing
[06:13:05] <archivist> it is not super accurate, just looks nice
[06:13:08] <enleth> XXCoder: thing is, it's not *difficult*, but you have to restrain yourself to not go too fast
[06:13:23] <XXCoder> arch it is, to me. :P heh
[06:14:26] <archivist> I did one gear and someone looked at it and moaned how irregular it was, I showed him the original, I had copied the errors :)
[06:14:47] <XXCoder> lol nice
[06:14:51] <XXCoder> but why?
[06:14:55] <XXCoder> why not to spec?
[06:15:57] <archivist> spec, they had no specs in the 1700/1800's
[06:17:06] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:17:29] <archivist> would have been hand made, although we machine cut the teeth, the side "crossing out" was done by hand as original
[06:18:01] <archivist> I did write cnc crossing out code http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=crossing+pd
[06:18:21] <_methods> hahah my boss gave this guy a broken shaft at work and told him to make a new one
[06:18:41] <_methods> came back a couple hours later and they guy had made a shaft in 2 pieces
[06:19:05] <archivist> firkin idiot
[06:19:24] <_methods> your gear story reminded me of that
[06:19:28] <XXCoder> jeez
[06:19:42] <XXCoder> did that guy in least accurately reproduce the break to? lol
[06:19:50] <_methods> oh yeah
[06:20:06] <XXCoder> what a fucking idiot
[06:20:23] <malcom2073> Morning
[06:20:23] <_methods> that's what happens when you don't give clear instructions
[06:20:50] <XXCoder> heh I want that tb6600, if nothing else it has a nice real case
[06:20:58] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3axis-CNC-Stepping-Driver-TB6600HG-Box-Set-LCD-Display-Handle-Controller-0-2-5A-/361618768525
[06:21:08] <malcom2073> Fancy lol
[06:21:27] <Tom_itx> makes the rest of us look really good
[06:21:43] <XXCoder> indeed lol mal
[06:21:47] <malcom2073> I've had good luck with the individual china 6600drivers, the all-in-one boards scare me though. One driver dies ruins the whole thing
[06:22:15] <XXCoder> still trying to figure the best upgrade path for my cnc router
[06:22:42] <XXCoder> I want controllable spindle for one. one thats 52mm. and dont cost 10x more than machine itself lol
[06:28:04] <_methods> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/sep/23/anger-churchill-home-turned-hitler-hq-transformers-5-michael-bay-swastika-flags
[06:28:08] <_methods> that's funny
[06:51:52] <XXCoder> maybe easier http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Axis-4A-TB6600-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-12V-24V-2-4-Phase-/182085145978
[06:51:55] <XXCoder> 3 od those
[06:53:49] <jthornton> looks like the same one I got from amazon
[06:53:55] <malcom2073> I'd do three of those
[06:53:56] <XXCoder> any good?
[06:54:03] <XXCoder> and some BOB
[06:54:07] <jthornton> they worked
[06:54:37] <malcom2073> You get what you pay for. I've had... 6 of them work so far? And one DOA if I remember correctly.
[06:54:57] <jthornton> I had to take them apart and fix the post under the board or something like that
[06:55:11] <XXCoder> chinese jeez hh
[06:55:11] <jthornton> and check for crap in there
[06:55:44] <jthornton> prob get the same on from aliexpress for less
[06:55:56] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016ZJS1FA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[06:56:14] <jthornton> I paid a bit more just to get them quick
[06:56:42] <XXCoder> Want it TODAY, Sept. 23 to 98465? Order within 8 hrs 1 min and choose Same-Day/One-Day Delivery at checkout.
[06:56:42] <XXCoder> Sold by SMAKN and Fulfilled by Amazon. lol
[06:57:21] <XXCoder> can literally get em today I guess
[06:57:36] <XXCoder> thjey'd have hmm less than 20 hours now
[07:40:27] <zhivko> Hello guys... I have problems using G92. After I issue this with coords like: G92 X-0.000 Y94.000 Z60.000 I imagine linuxcnc client should show me this coordinate
[07:40:55] <zhivko> but it continues showing me same coordinate
[07:41:39] <zhivko> Am I missing something? - like G92 not worked out on linuxcnc
[07:42:02] <XXCoder> huh
[07:42:06] <XXCoder> whats g92 anyway
[07:42:40] <XXCoder> ah its just offsets
[07:42:44] <XXCoder> it dont cause motion.
[07:42:51] <zhivko> yes
[07:42:59] <jthornton> what version and gui
[07:43:20] <jthornton> it works fine in 2.7 and Axis
[07:43:35] <zhivko> I use machinekit that is forked from linuxcnc
[07:43:37] <XXCoder> you sure youre looking at relivate coord?
[07:43:53] <XXCoder> not asbolute
[07:44:29] <jthornton> this is not the place to ask about machinekit...
[07:44:29] <zhivko> I have interfac ethat sucesfully reads machine position and correctly receive feedbacks when I jog machine
[07:44:38] <zhivko> :(
[07:44:38] <jthornton> I think they have a mailing list
[07:45:03] <zhivko> yes I know... but sinc eit is forked from linuxcnc it usses same base code
[07:45:13] <jthornton> same but different
[07:46:50] <archivist> we dont know what they fscked about in it
[07:47:05] <zhivko> oh gosh...
[07:47:12] <zhivko> I souldn mentioned it :) http://pastebin.com/ayEhJtfr
[07:48:44] <jthornton> machinekit and mach both started with a copy of emc but we can't help with either one because we have no clue what they are now
[07:49:26] <jthornton> and to correct it started with the same base code when forked
[07:49:47] <jthornton> it does not use the same code anymore
[07:50:00] <zhivko> how can I troubleshoot it?
[07:50:14] <zhivko> If we imagine for a second that I am user with linuxcnc...
[07:50:34] <XXCoder> you wouldnt have this issue. done
[07:50:40] <XXCoder> kidding, dunno
[07:50:47] <zhivko> is there some debug verbose information to know more how g92 is operating in my linuxcnc
[07:52:28] <archivist> compare the two sources around g92
[07:55:12] <jthornton> we have no idea if machinekit has debug info or not
[07:55:26] <zhivko> I apsted debug info in pastebin above
[07:55:32] <zhivko> I pasted debug info in pastebin above
[07:56:29] <archivist> yes but means bugger all to us
[07:57:46] <zhivko> sorry I am not native speaker - dont understand you
[07:58:07] <zhivko> This one is nicer http://pastebin.com/jkW2268G
[07:59:34] <archivist> you are expecting us to support other peoples code!!!!
[08:00:50] <zhivko> no not really - I asking how can further increase verbose output for G92 on linuxcnc - pleose people forget MK for a moment.
[08:01:02] <XXCoder> its not linuxcnc
[08:01:22] <zhivko> ok you are very persistent.... thank you guys for info.
[08:01:24] <gregcnc> they are saying that machinekit is not natively spoken by linuxcnc either, nobody understands it
[08:01:55] <XXCoder> zhivko: its like going to windows support channel and asking linux questions
[08:02:18] <XXCoder> may stuff may look similiar but you cant get valid answers.
[08:02:25] <XXCoder> so go to mk channel if such exists
[08:02:32] <zhivko> you dont need to undderstant it.. I am not asking... again question: "how can further increase verbose output for G92 on linuxcnc" <- this has is connected to linuxcnc - nothing more - YES ?
[08:02:39] <XXCoder> its not linuxcnc
[08:03:40] <zhivko> @jthornton: how do you turn "debug info" ON on linuxcnc ?
[08:04:12] <jthornton> you don't turn it on in linuxcnc you turn it on in the gui
[08:04:26] <jthornton> are you using Axis?
[08:05:11] <zhivko> not really - there is API there but yes I can turn debug there on as I remember.
[08:05:18] <archivist> I think they changed the comms, were intending to drop nml messaging, so all bets are off
[08:05:19] <jthornton> pretend your a mack user and you want to ask a question about it here
[08:05:54] <jthornton> anything we tell you about it will be wrong because they changed it...
[08:07:57] <jthornton> the best help I can give you is http://www.machinekit.io/
[08:08:23] <jthornton> http://blog.machinekit.io/p/support.html
[08:08:35] <zhivko> so now they plan to ged rid of NML it means - just thinking about this makes linuxcnc inside MK works completely different? ughhhh you are incredible
[08:11:41] * jthornton wanders off to start his day
[08:13:24] <zhivko> OK! thanks, regards!
[08:13:26] <malcom2073> zhivko: The MK codebase is very quickly getting very different than linuxcnc
[08:13:52] <zhivko> OK... i got information that offset is part of cannon layer
[08:14:05] <zhivko> this layer is still same.
[08:38:40] <Tom_itx> like the french trying to translate russian
[08:38:58] <JT-Shop> morning Tom_itx
[08:39:04] <Tom_itx> hey
[08:39:15] <cradek> zhivko: I don't know if this helps or not, but in linuxcnc, the unoffset coordinates and all the offsets such as tool, g92, g5x, and rotation, all show up in the stat buffer, and it's the UI's job to assemble them correctly
[08:39:26] <cradek> if you have made a new UI you need to do that assembling
[08:40:00] <cradek> but these folks are all correct - it seems that machinekit has changed all that communication, so we really can't be sure how to help you
[08:40:36] <cradek> brb, a bagel is calling me
[09:22:45] <JT-Shop> float min_velocity = requested_vel -(requested_vel*(velocity_tol*0.01));
[09:23:08] <JT-Shop> from the thc.comp I can't remember why I did it like that but it is clearly wrong...
[09:26:39] <jdh> too much thc maybe?
[09:26:51] <MacGalempsy> morning
[09:33:31] <JT-Shop> say your requested velocity is 180 IPM then 180/60=3 3-(3*(0.02*0.01) 3-(3*0.0002) 3-0.0006=2.9994
[09:33:53] <cradek> huh, wonder if he saw what I said
[09:33:57] <JT-Shop> 2% x 180 = 3.6 so it is clearly wrong
[09:42:58] <MacGalempsy_> never realized a 2 minute heater on a coffee in the microwave boils it!
[09:47:34] <gregcnc> 1.2kW x 2 min = 144kj / (226g * .0042kj/g) = 151°C rise
[09:48:05] <enleth> science, bitches
[09:48:12] <gregcnc> 8oz
[09:48:27] <archivist> somewhat high power assumed there
[09:48:38] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc: you are a genius
[09:48:52] <gregcnc> yeha i have no idea what output really is and if rating are in or out
[09:49:55] <gregcnc> 1.2kW is common in the US, though
[09:51:14] <gregcnc> I have a glass, that when clean enough, will allow me to super heat water in the nuker
[09:51:33] <gregcnc> scared the shit out out of me the first time
[09:52:00] <archivist> iirc 800watt is the assumption on a typical cooking recommendations label
[09:52:20] <gregcnc> moar power in 'merica
[09:52:35] <archivist> mooooore waste
[09:53:12] <gregcnc> ain't nobody got time to wait for coffee to warm up over here
[09:53:29] <archivist> use a kettle!
[09:53:39] <gregcnc> i do
[09:53:43] <MacGalempsy_> coffee cup :)
[09:59:27] <JT-Shop> SW sheetmetal onecnc
[10:41:55] <IchGucksLive> JesusAlos: ?
[10:43:08] <IchGucksLive> for all in germany we make with the mashine manufacture here a house fair for mini cnc
[10:43:36] <IchGucksLive> its on 8-9th okt in rheinmünster at sorotec.de
[10:43:56] <IchGucksLive> all linuxcnc friends are invided
[10:45:27] <IchGucksLive> JesusAlos: im off till later 19:00 here solfd the toolpos post for the sawblade
[10:51:09] <JesusAlos> yes
[10:57:47] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the true accuracy and straightness of these are https://www.aliexpress.com/item/motorized-linear-translation-stage-linear-positione-motorized-linear-slider-J05DP100/32705301353.html
[11:02:42] <MacGalempsy_> Probably in line with the 36v PSU that put out less than 30v
[11:06:05] <MacGalempsy> has anyone any experience with small table top injection machines?
[11:06:16] <MacGalempsy> I am trying to figure out why a benchtop uint is $7k
[11:06:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah, there's one that most people use
[11:06:43] <CaptHindsight> I forget the brand
[11:07:09] <MacGalempsy> I keep seeing the AB100 from Canada, and it just doent have that much to it...
[11:08:49] <MacGalempsy> the main thing is in every video I see, they emphasize the importance of the injection screw to get out air bubbles and have a consistent mix
[11:09:04] <CaptHindsight> why would you buy a benchtop unit?
[11:09:09] <MacGalempsy> none of the benchtops seem to have the screw, just a pneumatic actuator
[11:09:22] <MacGalempsy> mostly power reasons
[11:09:31] <CaptHindsight> well the screw does most of the work, it even heats the material
[11:09:50] <CaptHindsight> the band heaters are supplemental
[11:09:52] <MacGalempsy> exactly, so I am curious about the product quality on plunger units
[11:10:59] <CaptHindsight> the only reason that comes up consistently is floor space
[11:11:25] <CaptHindsight> they are making a few parts, with limited space and power
[11:11:37] <MacGalempsy> this one seems interesting
[11:11:37] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-ton-mini-jector-molding-machine/322240825541?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D383207cf8b414de3b982c592951c3fd8%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D142125268858
[11:11:47] <CaptHindsight> otherwise they get a much larger used machine
[11:12:03] <gregcnc> might crush the table
[11:12:10] <CaptHindsight> This listing (**********) has been removed, or this item is not available.
[11:12:28] <gregcnc> i get that lately too, just click again
[11:12:38] <MacGalempsy> intersting it shows here there is another day
[11:12:49] <MacGalempsy> i had that happen last night a few times
[11:12:57] <CaptHindsight> mow it loads, had to chop off right before the ?
[11:13:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-ton-mini-jector-molding-machine/322240825541
[11:13:37] <gregcnc> no, I click items in searches and they fail to load. click again and it's fine
[11:13:48] <CaptHindsight> the extra tracking stuff can change how it loads
[11:14:24] <MacGalempsy> manyual clamp...
[11:14:52] <gregcnc> watchlist also fails for me 50% of the time
[11:15:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Ton-Van-Dorn-Trubor-Plastic-Injection-Molding-Machine-Press-with-Maunals/142108547777 $2700
[11:15:07] <gregcnc> on pc
[11:15:24] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: too big for my space
[11:15:44] <gregcnc> build a larger bench
[11:15:46] <CaptHindsight> there you go, the #1 reason
[11:15:57] <MacGalempsy> its not a bench thing
[11:16:04] <gregcnc> lol
[11:16:18] <MacGalempsy> its a floorspace and wifes car in the garage during the winter thing
[11:16:46] <CaptHindsight> plus the larger units need lots of power
[11:16:46] <gregcnc> oh, just tell her it will pay for it's space in the garage
[11:17:05] <CaptHindsight> several HP servo and many KW's of heater
[11:17:07] <gregcnc> ask her how much she's paying for renting garage space
[11:17:15] <MacGalempsy> :D
[11:17:25] <MacGalempsy> I know better than to ask those kind of questions!
[11:17:47] <CaptHindsight> ever check the price per hour of divorce attorneys?
[11:18:03] <gregcnc> mine will stick around just to torture me
[11:18:39] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Injection-Molding-Machine-Boy-30M-30-Ton-2-0-oz-/112145582584?hash=item1a1c65c9f8:g:vPIAAOSwawpXslVE
[11:18:47] <MacGalempsy> this is the one I almost pulled the trigger on
[11:19:09] <MacGalempsy> still have yet to hear from the power company about 3ph availability
[11:19:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOY-15-15-TON-INJECTION-MOLDING-MACHINE-SOLD-AS-IS/361708080419
[11:19:58] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: I think that one is 3ph
[11:20:01] <gregcnc> how much power do you have now?
[11:20:16] <MacGalempsy> there is a 55kva transformer on the pole
[11:20:22] <MacGalempsy> 200A service
[11:20:24] <MacGalempsy> 1ph
[11:20:58] <CaptHindsight> if you pay for the transformer they often will do it
[11:21:15] <MacGalempsy> the knobs are only .26oz and only require 4tons
[11:21:21] <CaptHindsight> how far is the pole from your entrance?
[11:21:30] <MacGalempsy> the pole is about 50' from the house
[11:22:05] <gregcnc> i read most charge 100$/ft as well?
[11:22:27] <CaptHindsight> well it used to be ~$2k for a small pole transformer
[11:22:34] <MacGalempsy> dont know, waiting ona "scheduler" to call and discuss an estrimate
[11:23:09] <CaptHindsight> power co installs the transformer on the pole and the drop to the entrance
[11:24:07] <MacGalempsy> talked to a guy about renting 500sqft of space in his building, but the other guys told me he would never leave me alone to get work done
[11:24:07] <CaptHindsight> any entrance work generally requires a permit and a licensed contractor
[11:24:31] <MacGalempsy> heh. we are in the county jurisdiction, no permits required
[11:24:35] <MacGalempsy> ON ANYTHING
[11:24:46] <gregcnc> I'm still trying to figure out how a 21A 208V rated machine needs much more than 8.5kW.
[11:25:08] <CaptHindsight> 3p?
[11:25:37] <MacGalempsy> its 41A, but still I estimated 15-20hp
[11:26:12] <gregcnc> it simply can't be
[11:26:23] <MacGalempsy> the search continues. there is a 40 ton machine that was up for auction around the corner for 2500, but that is way too big too
[11:26:24] <gregcnc> 41A right 8.5kW
[11:28:21] <MacGalempsy> i dont get it either
[11:28:49] <gregcnc> but that is what AR wanted to sell you in RPC hp
[11:29:57] <gregcnc> RPC are oversized to make up for voltage drop on the generated leg and motor starting loads
[11:30:40] <MacGalempsy> he said triple the #s on a resistive load for stable operations. 3*(14.5*208) = 9.1KW and double for the hydraulic load 2*(26.5*208) = 11kw, so one would think 20HP would suffice if the motors were started before the resistive load
[11:30:48] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Injection-Molding-Time-Available-50-250-Ton-machines-/111127360944 $40/hr
[11:31:25] <MacGalempsy> yep, saw that too... that is why its all on the drawing board
[11:31:33] <CaptHindsight> thats a bargain for low volume
[11:31:50] <CaptHindsight> even lower in China :)
[11:32:08] <CaptHindsight> plus you are making the tools
[11:32:11] <MacGalempsy> the cost with china is that your parts end up being sold around the world
[11:32:21] <MacGalempsy> without getting any $$$ for it
[11:32:25] <CaptHindsight> if they know what they are for
[11:32:43] <CaptHindsight> all they will know is knobs
[11:33:04] <MacGalempsy> since the parts are a small quanity, I thought aluminum molds would be ok on a 30T machine
[11:34:22] <CaptHindsight> plastic cost $3/lb
[11:34:32] <MacGalempsy> and the cnc is just big enough to make a 6"x10" mold base
[11:35:18] <CaptHindsight> nylon is ~$6/lb
[11:36:31] <CaptHindsight> if they took 2 hours to make 100 sets your total cost is $100 plus the tool
[11:38:12] <CaptHindsight> oh, I just noticed that they only have 5 hours left with 3 hours sold :)
[11:38:54] <MacGalempsy> hah...
[11:38:56] <gregcnc> will they let you supply a mold?
[11:39:08] <MacGalempsy> gregcnc: from what i hear, is that most places do not
[11:39:13] <gregcnc> right
[11:39:19] <CaptHindsight> The $40 is an hourly rate for your first order
[11:39:36] <CaptHindsight> plus their name is Kazz Molds
[11:39:40] <gregcnc> after they build your tool and own it, thye charge whatever
[11:39:52] <CaptHindsight> they also want your tool work
[11:40:23] <gregcnc> they all do, from what little i know
[11:40:38] <CaptHindsight> I knew guys that would just charge by the job and they didn't care about the tool
[11:41:26] <MacGalempsy> the plan is to keep watching, and go to the next step, working on casting some alum mold bases
[11:41:41] <gregcnc> casting?
[11:41:55] <MacGalempsy> yeah, the blanks are $37 each
[11:42:02] <MacGalempsy> and it takes 4
[11:42:08] <gregcnc> don't you just cut it from a block
[11:42:28] <MacGalempsy> i was going to cast and clean it up on the cnc
[11:42:54] <MacGalempsy> scrap at the local place is $1/lb
[11:43:05] <MacGalempsy> 6x6x2 is ~6lbs
[11:43:08] <gregcnc> and risk voids?
[11:43:09] <CaptHindsight> for 100 sets you can also use a thermoset vs injection mold
[11:43:22] <MacGalempsy> vaccum cast
[11:43:34] <MacGalempsy> now that is a good idea
[11:45:23] <JT-Shop> I like this, parts laser cut out and hardware cost $51 per unit, powder coat $15, shipping out $20, sell for $250
[11:46:25] <MacGalempsy> nice
[11:46:50] <MacGalempsy> is that with your own powder coat oven, or contracted?
[11:48:13] <JT-Shop> powder coat in my kiln for now, need to build an oven
[12:16:40] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:17:09] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel_: ?
[12:21:39] <FloppyDisk525> I saw guys stack 2 old ovens (cut out top of one, bottom of other). what temp do you powder coat at? How long? curious.
[12:22:01] <FloppyDisk525> thought their setup looked cool, for doing larger motorcycle parts..
[12:29:16] <JT-Shop> 375-400F depends on the powder
[12:33:41] <CaptHindsight> curing http://www.prismaticpowders.com/resource/knowledgebase/topic/8/
[12:44:43] <IchGucksLive> now getting dark i germany outside the office
[12:46:30] <SpeedEvil> When it gets dark in germany, France follows.
[12:46:34] <SpeedEvil> It's a timezone thing.
[12:48:13] <IchGucksLive> ROFL
[12:55:33] <IchGucksLive> SpeedEvil: timezone is large in europ
[13:21:10] <kyle____> looking to build up a collection of wire for electronics projects, what gauge/diameter should i start with?
[13:21:48] <IchGucksLive> 1mm² for steppers power
[13:22:02] <IchGucksLive> 0.5mm for low Voltige
[13:22:17] <IchGucksLive> and 0.25 for the signals
[13:22:19] <malcom2073> 16 and 18 awg for power, 22 and 24 for hookup, 30 for board mods
[13:22:28] <JT-Shop> well crap I just scrapped a bunch of parts that took me 2 days to make
[13:22:56] <kyle____> hmmm thanks
[13:24:15] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: shame on you its friday
[13:24:39] <kyle____> any recommendations on where to buy wire in the western US?
[13:24:48] <IchGucksLive> i stoppt doday on moving rails and finished week
[13:25:31] <malcom2073> kyle____: I buy from waytekwire... a lot
[13:25:55] <IchGucksLive> kyle____: Radioshack
[13:26:07] <malcom2073> You could try to see if any local electronics stores have wire, but typically it won't be very good wire, and may be more epensive
[13:26:15] <kyle____> the radioshack here is completely a phone store, heh
[13:26:28] <kyle____> yeah, there's one a block away and their stock is garbage and overpriced
[13:26:57] <IchGucksLive> agree
[13:27:25] <IchGucksLive> go to the locel tv store repair included they got good stuff and prices
[13:27:52] <IchGucksLive> otherwise www best buy
[13:27:58] <kyle____> haven't seen any around but i'll look
[13:28:05] <gregcnc> you still have tv repair shops in germany?
[13:28:13] <IchGucksLive> yes we doo
[13:28:17] <kyle____> mid-peninsula sf bay area is really lacking in everything
[13:28:39] <IchGucksLive> http://tv-profi-gmbh.de/ next to me
[13:29:04] <IchGucksLive> now includes hardware store http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/
[13:29:29] <IchGucksLive> and suprice the hairshop went off as to many hard workers came by
[13:29:58] <IchGucksLive> and the blond lady dident like the dirty fat stinky man
[13:30:29] <gregcnc> someone here was working on the hardware site? your brother?
[13:31:06] <IchGucksLive> yes i see
[13:31:18] <IchGucksLive> alot changed in the last 2years to me
[13:34:41] <IchGucksLive> im off
[13:35:03] <IchGucksLive> have a bitbreak free workday where ever you are in the world
[14:05:54] <MacGalempsy_> time for a short break
[14:06:46] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: was that on purpose or accident?
[14:07:48] <JT-Shop> brain fart, forgot to add in 1/2 the dowel diameter when setting my material stop...
[14:08:19] <MacGalempsy_> ouch.
[14:08:49] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: interested in a 3ph drill press?
[14:09:01] <MacGalempsy_> will cut you a deal
[14:09:49] <JT-Shop> got a photo of it?
[14:10:04] <JT-Shop> I have a crap drill press but I have a nice manual mill...
[14:10:41] <MacGalempsy_> http://fayar.craigslist.org/tls/5794524519.html
[14:11:11] <MacGalempsy_> ignore that price :D
[14:11:41] <SpeedEvil> nice
[14:12:10] <SpeedEvil> Alas shipping.
[14:12:14] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy_: I'll give you twee fiddy
[14:12:29] <MacGalempsy_> $350?
[14:12:41] <malcom2073> No
[14:12:43] <malcom2073> $3.50
[14:12:50] <MacGalempsy_> oh, in that case. sure
[14:12:52] <MacGalempsy_> :P
[14:12:58] <malcom2073> Fantastic!
[14:24:38] <JT-Shop> what are the air tanks under it?
[14:24:54] <MacGalempsy_> my compressor for the cnc and edm
[14:25:00] <MacGalempsy_> its not included
[14:25:17] <JT-Shop> couldn't tell from the photo what they were
[14:25:47] <JT-Shop> is it a dual voltage motor?
[14:25:58] <MacGalempsy_> 2 speed. only 460
[14:26:14] <MacGalempsy_> the motor is in the case, or I would have just replaced it
[14:26:36] <JT-Shop> oh, built into the thing
[14:27:26] <MacGalempsy_> yep
[14:58:35] <pink_vampire|2> hi
[14:58:42] <XXCoder> hey
[14:58:54] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[14:59:31] <pink_vampire> i wish i had better way to share picturs here from the phone
[15:01:19] <XXCoder> dropbox I suppose though theyre not best
[15:01:34] <XXCoder> havent been keeping upapps wise heh
[15:04:33] <pink_vampire> on discord is sooo easy
[15:09:31] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/TJicdsi.png
[15:09:58] <XXCoder> oh youre progressed so far on that. very nice
[15:10:39] <pink_vampire> i've add one more lpt
[15:11:04] <XXCoder> whats lpt?
[15:11:19] <pink_vampire> and get more wires permanent in the wire duct
[15:11:30] <pink_vampire> 2 parallel ports
[15:11:36] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[15:12:34] <pink_vampire> and now i have light in the panel
[15:13:02] <pink_vampire> so it is much nicer to do the wiring
[15:13:20] <XXCoder> indeed
[15:13:22] <XXCoder> safer too
[15:15:34] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/HM2QCGu.png
[15:16:04] <XXCoder> eh i would go for leds heh but cool
[15:16:23] <gregcnc> pink have you seen a panel USB like your abb switches?
[15:19:25] <pink_vampire> I got this light for other thing but it was too big, and then I realise that could be so nice in the cnc panel. so I just mount it on the original holes on the top and I'm super happy from the results and the light.
[15:19:38] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: I'm not sure what do you mean.
[15:21:26] * JT-Shop takes an Eric Johnson break
[15:23:31] <gregcnc> ah well they do exist 22mm mount USB http://www.pizzato.com/pizzatoweb/view.aspx?lang=en&IdRed=413
[15:24:08] <pink_vampire> mmm
[15:24:09] <XXCoder> ah yeah well protected usb for stuff
[15:24:51] <gregcnc> using a spare 22mm hole would be convenient
[15:26:08] <pink_vampire> i cant find.
[15:26:21] <pink_vampire> but i can ask them
[15:26:59] <gregcnc> this one is expensive, but china are only half the price https://goo.gl/kCuWJA
[15:27:57] <pink_vampire> just use ethernet
[15:28:16] <gregcnc> usb sticks don't plug into ethernet
[15:28:44] <malcom2073> They actually do
[15:28:46] <Lowridah> whittle 'em down
[15:28:47] <malcom2073> Unfortunatly
[15:29:12] <malcom2073> With force significantly less than the average user will attempt when trying to blindly insert a usb connector
[15:29:14] <gregcnc> I won't admit to it if you don't
[15:29:57] <pink_vampire> i mean connect the cnc via ethernet, and just save the file on the local network.
[15:30:50] <gregcnc> yeah but that means running cat to the garage
[15:31:05] <XXCoder> or wifi dongle heh
[15:31:09] <pink_vampire> wifi....
[15:31:13] <XXCoder> thats whay my cnc router uses.
[15:31:35] <gregcnc> that means running an antenna out of the enclosure
[15:31:38] <XXCoder> pink btw if you meant wifi say wifi not ethernet, they may be both networking access but they are not same to each other :)
[15:31:49] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc: no rj45 crimper?
[15:32:24] <pink_vampire> it is up to you
[15:32:40] <pink_vampire> but the conectors looks very nice
[15:33:58] <pink_vampire> other idea is to use small cellular modem to get the G-code
[15:34:21] <gregcnc> USB to control panel is the lazy way out
[15:35:19] <jdh> I ran cat5 to the garage. much better than the wifi was
[15:36:12] <pink_vampire> but it can brake
[15:36:31] <pink_vampire> usb is good for temporary use
[15:36:55] <gregcnc> I currently move all my programs on memory
[15:37:01] <gregcnc> it's OK
[15:37:01] <XXCoder> its good to have options too
[15:37:15] <XXCoder> usb or wifi or direct ethernet connection
[15:38:28] <gregcnc> running cable may not be terrible, I just didn't seriously consider among other frustration
[15:39:50] <kyle____> can confirm, usb sticks will go into ethernet ports
[15:39:58] <jdh> kyle: no kidding!
[15:40:06] <pink_vampire> i need to make a back plate to my power supply
[15:40:08] <jdh> I have done that a few times
[15:40:11] <pink_vampire> it is huge
[15:40:31] <kyle____> "why isn't this stupid mouse working... oh"
[15:45:17] <pink_vampire> 10" x 18"
[15:45:30] <pink_vampire> sheet of aluminum
[15:45:53] <MacGalempsy> pink_vampire: how thick?
[15:46:07] <pink_vampire> 1/8"
[15:46:14] <MacGalempsy> that is huge?
[15:46:16] <MacGalempsy> :)
[15:46:22] <pink_vampire> just to mount the power supply to it
[15:47:07] <pink_vampire> the machine can cut 6" X 17"
[15:50:16] <pink_vampire> the original plate is 3' x 4'
[15:50:33] <pink_vampire> any idea how to cut it?
[15:51:00] <MacGalempsy> hacksaw
[15:51:18] <MacGalempsy> dremel
[15:52:51] <pink_vampire> i mean acurate
[15:53:41] <MacGalempsy> contractor
[15:55:18] <jdh> rough it then finish it
[15:55:54] <jdh> or find someone with a shear and 60 seconds to spare
[15:55:56] <MacGalempsy> yep. cut large with hacksaw, then file down the edges
[15:56:04] <MacGalempsy> use dye
[15:56:59] <pink_vampire> my biggest issue is to lift it
[16:06:14] <CaptHindsight> forklift shows up with 1/8" x 1" UNINSULTED battery hold-down 1/8" from both battery terminals
[16:07:28] <CaptHindsight> high current shunt :)
[16:08:21] <CaptHindsight> every used, car or machine I get has screwed up wiring
[16:08:58] <XXCoder> my van has strange electricity issues
[16:09:08] <XXCoder> but whatever as long as its working for year or 2
[16:09:43] <XXCoder> but elio better hurry up man lol
[16:11:24] <MacGalempsy_> CaptHindsight: no electrical investigation before you bought it?
[16:13:23] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy_: was a deal on a 16K lb forklift, I knew it wasn't perfect
[16:13:35] <MacGalempsy_> got to love those deals
[16:13:53] <MacGalempsy_> i guess as long as it is operational when you get it, that works well
[16:14:15] <CaptHindsight> recent $1k in service (with receipts) yet how they passed this up is amazing
[16:15:10] <CaptHindsight> $3k for the lift, so I figured even of I have to rebuild the engine I'm way ahead
[16:16:00] <MacGalempsy_> sweet
[16:16:20] <CaptHindsight> seller said his grandma had only driven it to church on Sundays :)
[16:17:28] <MacGalempsy_> lol. granny needs to take some electrical lessons
[16:18:16] <JT-Shop> wtf my order of bandsaw blades has been processing for 3 freeking days
[16:23:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: heh I got car like that
[16:23:10] <XXCoder> very very low mileage for such a old car
[16:23:32] <XXCoder> aaaaaand some stuff was fucked as they never did maintance. brakes was uber shot, and hoses was hosed
[16:23:57] <XXCoder> but I went very far ahread as I fixed those and drove for 9 years
[16:24:03] <XXCoder> only car accient killed car
[16:25:00] <Deejay> gn8
[17:14:27] <witnit> anyone got exploded view drawings of an old hydraulic clutch type Clausing lathe?the area of concern is, motor pulley > drive clutch > reversing? clutch> driven gear
[17:15:11] <witnit> I have no manuals or assembly drawings and really dont know how it comes outs.
[17:55:45] <XXCoder> aaand capt goes silent :P
[17:55:52] <XXCoder> witnit: hope you find it
[17:56:51] <JT-Shop> doesn't Andy have one of those?
[17:59:05] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/6inHbow.jpg
[18:00:20] <XXCoder> ??
[18:01:24] <JT-Shop> that doesn't look good
[18:03:09] <asdfasd> it is not spread evenly, therefore not working haha
[18:03:47] <XXCoder> pink who did that?
[18:04:34] <pink_vampire> it's just random pic from imgur
[18:05:31] <XXCoder> such a mistake there
[18:06:03] <pink_vampire> it was funny to see something like that
[18:06:31] <XXCoder> I was wondering if you did it but I doubted it because if you can build cabinet you wouldnt do that shiot
[18:07:04] <pink_vampire> true
[18:14:02] <Tom_itx> witnit, there seem to be several on google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=clausing+lathe+clutch+exploded+view&tbm=isch&imgil=XKmiH8hu2R3uxM%253A%253BapXw0G4G6p4f3M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.practicalmachinist.com%25252Fvb%25252Fgeneral%25252Fneed-help-parts-clausing-colchester-13x36-6500-lathe-194162%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=XKmiH8hu2R3uxM%253A%252CapXw0G4G6p4f3M%252C_&usg=__Nt-gma3ROGNaKnokdEssBJ6BsHM%3D&biw=1166&bih=709#imgrc=XK
[18:14:13] <Tom_itx> not sure which one you need
[18:16:43] <Tom_itx> also, archivist might
[18:48:01] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:45:32] <pfred1> pen holder version 3 http://i.imgur.com/KSlrLhH.jpg
[19:45:52] <XXCoder> fancy
[19:45:59] <pfred1> pens just plug in
[19:46:06] <XXCoder> oh yeah I can print up pen holder. :D
[19:46:11] <XXCoder> thanks for idea
[19:46:27] <pfred1> I went with Pilot Precise V5s
[19:46:31] <pfred1> they're cheap
[19:46:46] <pfred1> extra fine tip
[19:47:08] <pink_vampire> i'm using laser printer
[19:47:17] <pfred1> color?
[19:47:59] <pfred1> I was going to get the 11 color set but I thought that was a bit over the top so I settled for 4 colors
[19:48:22] <pink_vampire> yes
[19:48:25] <pfred1> I may still get the big set though
[19:48:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you got one now? nice
[19:48:40] <pink_vampire> no
[19:49:19] <pfred1> pink_vampire can you run a sheet of wood through your printer?
[19:49:30] <pink_vampire> no
[19:49:35] <pfred1> well there ya go
[19:49:36] <pink_vampire> why?
[19:49:39] <pink_vampire> http://www.printerscopiersandmore.com/index.php/hp-laserjet-pro-cm1415fnw-rfb-color-laser-mfp-ce862a-e013-568g000.html?gs=g01w013568&gclid=CMzS7Prdps8CFcQfhgod6G8C4w
[19:49:43] <pink_vampire> that one
[19:49:57] <XXCoder> oh lol was thinking laser cutter type
[19:50:08] <pfred1> if it is less than 5 inches tall I can print on it
[19:50:57] <pfred1> I need a quieter spindle
[19:51:04] <pink_vampire> wow
[19:51:18] <pink_vampire> new it cost $647.05
[19:51:26] <pfred1> is that a lot?
[19:51:29] <pink_vampire> I got new for 350$
[19:52:02] <pink_vampire> http://www.printerscopiersandmore.com/index.php/hp-laserjet-pro-cm1415fnw-new-color-laser-mfp-ce862a-e014-656g000.html
[19:52:29] <pink_vampire> opss $809.88
[19:52:35] <pink_vampire> wow
[19:52:54] <pink_vampire> more the twice that what i payed
[19:53:06] <pfred1> I got the ocmputer I'm using right now for a dollar
[19:53:24] <pink_vampire> rpi?
[19:53:27] <pfred1> the day I got it refurbished ones same model were going for $775
[19:54:16] <pfred1> this is a HP 6712f
[19:54:48] <pfred1> today it is probably worth about $5
[19:55:56] <eeriegeek> yeh, how much are the toners?
[19:56:15] <pfred1> pens cost me about a buck a piece
[19:56:22] <pink_vampire> about 200$ for all the 4 ones
[19:57:09] <pink_vampire> i have it for years and i change only one time the black
[19:57:33] <pink_vampire> i have all the rest of the colors brand new
[19:58:49] <pink_vampire> the printer still use the original color cartridge
[19:59:44] <pfred1> I can't get hp2xx working very good here
[20:00:55] <pfred1> dxf2gcode works good though
[21:06:15] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: was werkin
[22:11:54] <Duc> PCW: has anyone tried to use the 7i92 over a dedicated wireless connection?
[22:55:49] <Tom_itx> what's zeeshan up to?
[22:59:33] <zeeshan> getting ready for the weekend grind
[22:59:36] <zeeshan> you?
[22:59:45] <Tom_itx> grind?
[22:59:52] <zeeshan> machining
[22:59:54] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:00:04] <Tom_itx> just working on code here
[23:00:12] <zeeshan> what code
[23:00:15] <Tom_itx> cleaning up and checking for errors
[23:00:21] <Tom_itx> an app i'm working on
[23:00:40] <Tom_itx> for a friend