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[00:48:12] <Cromaglious_> nite
[00:57:08] <jesseg> yeah night folks
[02:30:33] <Deejay> moin
[05:13:10] <jthornton> morning
[05:14:29] <XXCoder> night
[05:14:33] <XXCoder> whats up
[05:14:44] <jthornton> just waking up
[05:15:25] <XXCoder> cool
[05:15:33] <XXCoder> just chilling before going to bed
[05:15:36] <XXCoder> maybe hour or 2
[05:17:15] <pink_vampire> hi
[05:17:17] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[05:17:24] <XXCoder> hey whats up
[05:17:38] <pink_vampire> i'm fine
[05:17:53] <pink_vampire> how is your cnc?
[05:18:02] <XXCoder> im buying 52mm clamp for it :D
[05:18:18] <XXCoder> z block/clamp single peice that is
[05:18:40] <pink_vampire> but you print one..
[05:19:15] <pink_vampire> the printed one didn't work?
[05:19:18] <XXCoder> yeah but same time this will be much more rigid and stronger
[05:19:29] <XXCoder> yeah didnt,, I got few stuff wrong lol like hole size
[05:20:00] <pink_vampire> just print new one..
[05:20:26] <XXCoder> nah my machine will be busy making parts to complete oit
[05:20:40] <XXCoder> I finally got ikea box to hold filiments
[05:21:03] <pink_vampire> ikea box??
[05:21:06] <pink_vampire> link?
[05:21:11] <XXCoder> so im making parts to convert it to filiment box. sure a sec
[05:21:13] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[05:21:51] <XXCoder> specifically IKEA SAMLA
[05:22:03] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:743280
[05:23:14] <jthornton> do you feed from the box or is it just a storage place?
[05:23:31] <XXCoder> can be either actually
[05:23:41] <XXCoder> some people seem to open lid and connect filiment from it
[05:23:50] <XXCoder> and some print up hole adoptor
[05:23:59] <XXCoder> so dont even need to open lid
[05:24:18] <malcom2073> Nice, I like that
[05:24:26] <jthornton> ah need to keep the plastic dry
[05:25:14] <jthornton> I need to build my printer one day
[05:25:44] <pink_vampire> the box looks cool
[05:26:36] <XXCoder> lid dont click on though. bit weird
[05:26:47] <XXCoder> good thing theres this
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:393890
[05:27:30] <XXCoder> gonna get weather strip to seal box better. I wanna print nylon and that drinks water from air and oprints fail
[05:27:53] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/6wPtoCu.png
[05:28:42] <XXCoder> I do recommand another fan with duct that blows right below nozzle
[05:28:46] <XXCoder> it helps quality a lot
[05:28:55] <XXCoder> whats with wood thing though
[05:29:00] <jthornton> XXCoder: you got a photo of your printer?
[05:29:05] <XXCoder> yeah a sec
[05:30:14] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_20160905_013322-tY6saD8P.1474538529.jpg
[05:30:27] <XXCoder> still bit rough
[05:32:00] <jthornton> I have some slides with rails and ball screws built in that would be perfect for this
[05:32:25] <XXCoder> jthornton: whats funny is that it have rapids of huge speed
[05:32:29] <XXCoder> 150 mm/s
[05:32:36] <XXCoder> but then it weights much less
[05:33:00] * jthornton gets a calculator out
[05:33:12] <malcom2073> jthornton: I made a printer with some prebuilt actuators
[05:33:14] <pink_vampire> just finished the job on the mill
[05:33:16] <malcom2073> worked pretty well
[05:33:35] <jthornton> malcom2073: got a link?
[05:33:39] <malcom2073> jthornton:
http://mikesshop.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Inital_Config.jpg
[05:33:49] <jthornton> 350IPM is pretty fast
[05:34:08] <malcom2073> Assembled as printer:
http://mikesshop.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DSCN1494.jpg
[05:34:24] <XXCoder> it can be even faster, up to double that. but it causes problems with belts vibrating so parts have bad ringing
[05:34:25] <jthornton> I have some similar to the Y axis
[05:34:26] * archivist renames this ship stringyverse
[05:34:53] <malcom2073> archivist: It happens every once in a while, just ride it out :)
[05:35:29] <archivist> tie a knot in it :)
[05:35:33] <XXCoder> go0t pic of your umm I assume 3d benchy? heh
[05:36:01] <malcom2073> 3d benchy?
[05:36:58] <XXCoder> its 3d model of boat, its... very hard to print
[05:37:15] <XXCoder> great for troubleshooting
[05:38:15] <malcom2073> Ah here's a picture of it with the heated enclosure:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10453332_892119567469092_3066870051940688719_n.jpg?oh=5dfcc28e70d4200c4bb72ddc2b5fe78e&oe=588242EF
[05:38:15] <malcom2073> I need to get it runniing again. I had to return the borrowed G540 that was running it, so it has no drivers atm heh
[05:39:21] <malcom2073> Ah cool heh, nah I never printed that
[05:39:46] <malcom2073> Mostly I design stuff to be printed, so I don't have to worry about overhangs, or weird hard-to-print stuff
[05:40:00] <XXCoder> enclosure is nice for abs and some sensive plastics
[05:40:09] <jthornton> I have a handful of those cheap Chinese drives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNLd6A34Vo
[05:40:43] <malcom2073> Yeah that's why I did the enclosure, I needed to print some ABS stuff
[05:41:19] <malcom2073> jthornton: I have some of those sitting in a box, I've had bad luck with "dumb" drives. The printer resonantes something fierce at high speed
[05:41:39] <XXCoder> Im still unsure of how to proceed wirth my machine
[05:41:48] <XXCoder> I want spindle to be linuxcnc controllable
[05:41:54] <jthornton> the gecko drives would be better for high speed and smooth running
[05:42:03] <malcom2073> The gecko was amazing for it heh
[05:42:06] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Speed control, or just on/off?
[05:42:10] <XXCoder> all
[05:42:24] <jthornton> I would not use the G540, too limiting
[05:43:06] <malcom2073> Hmm, I've not played with spindle control, but I hear you can get 0-5v out of the parallel port using certain breakout boards
[05:43:14] <malcom2073> pwm analog out
[05:43:40] <jthornton> the G251X would be much better with a 7i76
[05:43:58] <malcom2073> Way overkill for my printer tbh
[05:44:07] <XXCoder> im wondering too
[05:44:15] <XXCoder> maybe I can just add spindle speed sensor
[05:44:19] <XXCoder> and manually adjust
[05:44:23] <pink_vampire> i have an issue with aluminum chips
[05:44:35] <malcom2073> the mesaboard I mean. The G540 was nice because it had the bob and 4 drives all built in a tiny form factor. Plug in the parallel port to my linuxcnc PC and go
[05:44:40] <pink_vampire> they got welded to the end mill
[05:44:55] <malcom2073> XXCoder: What kind of speed control does your spindle have onboard? Or does it?
[05:44:58] <jthornton> if your spindle is controlled with a pot you can use this
http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65&product_id=91
[05:45:07] <pink_vampire> is there any solution for that?
[05:45:16] <XXCoder> its supposely have pwm or maybe just relay (or is relay the pwm)
[05:45:36] <XXCoder> pink ow I remember reading about that, but forgot what causes that
[05:46:02] <pink_vampire> :-(
[05:46:07] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: don't get your endmill so hot? More feed or less speed iirc?
[05:46:17] <XXCoder> or more lubecant
[05:46:27] <XXCoder> wd40 on part as you run, once a while
[05:46:32] <pink_vampire> more feed??
[05:46:52] <malcom2073> It's been a while, but I believe the tool gets hot from rubbing, which means it's not taking a deep enough cut
[05:47:14] <pink_vampire> i'm on 150mm/min 1000 rpm, 5mm doc 0.4mm side cut
[05:47:43] <XXCoder> I read one site that calculator usual;ly assume you will use cooling of some kind
[05:47:49] <XXCoder> just spray wd40
[05:47:56] <XXCoder> probably solve issue
[05:47:56] <jthornton> milling aluminum if you don't remove a big enough chip you get galling
[05:47:57] <malcom2073> Yeah, try wd40
[05:48:09] <pink_vampire> i want to avoid cooling
[05:48:49] <XXCoder> get wd40 can and spray once a while, it shouldnt spray out much
[05:49:03] <XXCoder> brief spray each few seconds
[05:49:16] <jthornton> actually any liquid soap is much better than wd40
[05:49:17] <XXCoder> or get hmm that mister thingy
[05:50:14] <pink_vampire> what about alcohol 95%?
[05:51:41] <XXCoder> ehh flammable dunno? never used that, just wd40 and the coolant white stuff
[05:51:45] <XXCoder> hmm
http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-Home.htm
[05:51:50] <XXCoder> what ya guys think of this
[05:53:50] <jthornton> too expensive
[05:53:55] <pink_vampire> i know datron use some alcohol style coolant
[05:54:07] <pink_vampire> i need to get a datron machine
[05:54:23] <pink_vampire> m8 or something..
[05:54:28] <pink_vampire> sooo cute
[05:54:33] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=69
[05:54:40] <pink_vampire> i need to ask for pink version
[05:55:14] <jthornton> oh it's a vfd kinda
[05:56:50] <XXCoder> yeah and theres no vfd 52mm
[05:56:57] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Full-sets-spindle-motor-1-5kw-and-Black-inverter-1-5kw-2-pcs-any-size-ER11/1307483850.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_3_10057_10056_10065_10068_10055_10067_10054_10069_10059_10058_418_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=a7788ec1-8a74-4ef7-901c-fa486007bdda
[05:56:58] <XXCoder> 52mm is largest my machine can o
[05:57:17] <XXCoder> awesome, too bad its 65mm lol
[05:59:52] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/Konmison-Spindle-Motor-Converter-Collect/dp/B0154LENB6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474540289&sr=8-2&keywords=cnc+spindle
[06:00:33] <XXCoder> yeah that is one I am consiering
[06:00:41] <XXCoder> probably 500w ponme
[06:00:53] <jthornton> 300 watt is a bit light I'd think
[06:01:12] <XXCoder> think 500w is strongest can get with 52mm spindle
[06:02:32] <XXCoder> honestly its almost cheaper to just buy
https://www.amazon.com/CNCShop-Engraving-Engraver-Controlled-Computer/dp/B019TU8RM4/
[06:02:42] <XXCoder> its bit smaller but everything ready lol
[06:04:08] <jthornton> yea you can't build it for that I'd think
[06:04:39] <XXCoder> its manual control spindle
[06:04:51] <XXCoder> thats what i figure from knob on box
[06:18:38] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYFNUQgE26E HMMM
[06:25:10] <jthornton> I wonder if that works on a nano, I have a hand full of them
[06:25:21] <XXCoder> isnt that zerpo
[06:25:25] <XXCoder> pi zero
[06:25:30] <XXCoder> or is it something else
[06:27:13] <Tom_itx> it might, i doubt there's much code to it
[06:27:35] <XXCoder> I wonder if CHIP can do it
[06:27:35] <Tom_itx> problem could be the clock keeping up with a quadrature encoder
[06:27:39] <XXCoder> or zero
[06:28:19] <XXCoder> https://github.com/jmharvey1/Arduino-CNC-Speed-Control
[06:28:31] <Tom_itx> although we are talking about arduino and they have bloated code. must have been some old windows employees
[06:29:08] <XXCoder> I just read what is presuemely entire source code.
[06:29:12] <XXCoder> dont seem likely
[06:30:30] <XXCoder> electric diagram
https://youtu.be/kYFNUQgE26E?t=93
[06:30:51] <XXCoder> wonder what "leonado" us
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> *is
[06:30:59] <XXCoder> SSR
[06:32:25] <XXCoder> ah found more details
[06:32:28] <XXCoder> https://sites.google.com/site/klaasdc/cnc-router/spindle-controller
[06:34:45] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: what ya think
[08:26:24] <MacGalempsy> hello
[08:44:07] <MacGalempsy> wb
[08:45:15] <archivist> my other half
[08:45:48] <MacGalempsy> is that a bot?
[08:46:20] <archivist> when that drops out it gives me an indication of the webserver at the rare job
[08:46:32] <archivist> just an irc client
[08:49:37] <archivist> but if I dont get some work real soon I am not going to care about its state
[08:50:17] <MacGalempsy> I was told by a friend of mine that 3.5" bronze surveying markers go for $55US each
[08:50:22] <MacGalempsy> lots of demand
[08:50:44] <MacGalempsy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_marker
[08:51:03] <MacGalempsy> on top of $55 the setup fee is like $1500
[09:02:35] <MacGalempsy> these stupid timeouts are getting annoying
[09:07:26] <archivist> get off wifi
[09:10:00] <MacGalempsy> I did just move to a hotspot. anyway to fix the disconnects?
[09:12:05] <archivist> use real wire TM
[09:12:39] <MacGalempsy> ok. the computer was just moved last week, so that explains it. I wonder if I can change the timeout settings on the router
[09:12:56] <MacGalempsy> need to get into the attic to run a couple new lines.
[09:14:09] <MacGalempsy> the problem is that it is a belly crawl space that is bloody hot
[09:49:14] <MacGalempsy> now that the connection is through a closer server, the random quits seem to have stopped
[10:06:42] <CaptHindsight> has any of the *duino schematic creators ever seen an actual schematic before?
[10:15:52] <archivist> impossible they invented circuidino
[10:28:18] <cradek> CaptHindsight: I think you're the biggest "kids these days!" we have, and that's saying a lot
[10:29:01] <cradek> wear your badge with pride; it's a fierce competition
[10:36:24] <CaptHindsight> can't beat em join em?
[10:47:30] <enleth> http://imgur.com/c8gRsiq - lasercut captive nut tool board after gluing
[10:47:41] <enleth> looks like it's going to work
[10:47:43] <nubcake> hi
[10:57:47] <nubcake> any idea if i can use an inductive sensor PNP (NO) with 12v as limit-switch on this board?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/321565835927?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[10:59:30] <archivist> hehe they got that picture arse about face
[11:00:04] <archivist> nubcake, iirc it has 12 pull ups on its limit switch inputs
[11:00:08] <archivist> 12v
[11:00:52] <nubcake> ok thanks, didn't really find much about the board itself besides a wiring scheme, so i thought i might aswell just ask in here :)
[11:01:33] <archivist> really needs its circuit reverse engineering
[11:01:57] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: from the pic it's a BOB with an opto with a series resistor on the anode...
[11:02:24] <CaptHindsight> the series resistors are all tied to a common 12V rail
[11:03:09] <CaptHindsight> the Limit Switch "inputs" are the cathode of the opto
[11:03:13] <nubcake> thanks for clarifying (or however it's spelled..) :D
[11:08:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=423 Page 3
[11:10:04] <archivist> he should have already seen that that being in my bob collection
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/cnc/bob/
[11:10:44] <nubcake> i did, but i wasn't sure if it takes 5v for the limit-switches or 12v
[11:11:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.electronics-lab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Parallel-Port-Breakout-CNC-SCH.png the inputs are similar to this board
[11:11:44] <archivist> it uses the 12-24 that the spindle pwm side uses
[11:12:02] <nubcake> sweet, the details..
[11:12:14] <CaptHindsight> the anodes might be connected to a common power rail with the series resistor on the cathodes
[11:13:12] <archivist> that detail shows vcc, 5v ignore
[11:13:21] <CaptHindsight> I have your BOB in front of me...
[11:14:08] <CaptHindsight> looks like it's series resistors on cathodes
[11:14:16] <nubcake> ok
[11:14:19] <CaptHindsight> like the schematic above
[11:15:44] <nubcake> sigh.. so many things to do.. yet not enough time.. :(
[11:17:20] <nubcake> still got to figure why my crappy 3d printer doesn't do its grid-auto-leveling
[11:20:33] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: marlin firmware?
[11:20:41] <nubcake> CaptHindsight: yes
[11:20:50] <nubcake> 1.0.2 iirc
[11:21:13] <nubcake> yes, just checked, it's 1.0.2
[11:24:58] <pcw_home> if the OPTO anodes are commoned, you need sinking (NPN) prox's
[11:26:07] <archivist> or add a single transistor inverter
[11:26:58] <nubcake> brb dinner's ready, thanks for your help so far :)
[11:27:40] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: yeah, it's a mess, but don't feel bad, everyone pretty much just pokes at it until it almost works
[11:48:36] <FAalbers> Fuck this is fast !
https://instagram.com/p/BKok0QAgvQX/
[11:49:02] <FAalbers> Oops ! Sorry ! Wrong channel. Please disregard !
[11:56:43] <nubcake> FAalbers, yup, pretty fast
[11:57:49] <witnit> Disregard his request to disregard previously link; video is badass.
[11:58:13] <nubcake> yep, worth it
[12:02:40] <FAalbers> Oh well, happy to post then :)
[12:16:59] <IchGucksLive> hi from a real cool sunny germay
[12:19:01] <FAalbers> Guten Tag !
[12:19:38] <IchGucksLive> Servus aus Zweibrücken
[12:20:15] <FAalbers> Frank aus Oaklandiussen
[12:20:22] <FAalbers> Oder ... Oakland
[12:21:46] <IchGucksLive> NZ
[12:22:05] <FAalbers> o , that's Auckland
[12:22:13] <FAalbers> OAkland, California
[12:33:30] <IchGucksLive> warm weathere there
[12:36:37] <Cromaglious_> nope oakland is no where close the being like aukland... though I do like both cities
[12:37:50] <Cromaglious_> last weekend I was in Santa Cruz.. like that much better than oakland or aukland
[12:53:41] <gregcnc> capthindsight if I'm bored enough I may go to this. sounds like woodworking mostly
http://arnfest.com/?page_id=89
[12:59:19] <nubcake> sigh, updated my arduino ide now i can't upload old printer firmwares to my printer anymore
[13:00:06] <nubcake> new firmware doesn't work out of the box for my printer, z-axis not working, just weird noise coming from the steppers
[13:01:26] <jdh> you run linuxcnc on an arduino?
[13:02:52] <nubcake> jdh nope, running marlin on that thing
[13:03:09] <nubcake> i run linuxcnc on a nanopi neo ^^
[13:03:22] <nubcake> didn't get my mill working yet, but once i do, i'll give it a try
[13:08:54] <kyle____> shame on everyone who trash-talks k40s
[13:08:59] <kyle____> these things are fantastic for the price
[13:09:37] <kyle____> ... sure, they give you a badly fitting bathroom exhaust fan, a shitty aquarium pump, and no real way to attach the pump to the tubing
[13:09:44] <kyle____> but if you're buying a laser cutter, surely you're crafty already
[13:11:09] <kyle____> oh and the software MIGHT be a virus
[13:14:31] <FloppyDisk525> kyle____ nice...
[13:15:15] <kyle____> that's what we have VMs for, right?
[13:15:55] <d42> most of the hardware was suprisingly good, but the software, oh god the software ,_,
[13:19:02] <Lowridah> i bought a 3.5w l-cheapo instead
[13:19:42] <d42> i've tried to reverse it enough to figure out the protocol and get rid of it, but pretty much half of the code is about detecting debuggers and tampering with files :_D
[13:20:33] <IchGucksLive> today has been a joking day someone cam in with a Maho buildnumber 015 (Datasheet) and asked if we can retrofit it
[13:22:36] <kyle____> lol, i suspected as much d42
[13:22:45] <kyle____> my first mod is going to be a new controlboard
[13:24:58] <d42> better cooling is pretty important too, imho :^)
[13:25:14] <kyle____> ah yeah
[13:25:19] <kyle____> it's adequate for now
[13:25:31] <kyle____> i don't like having an open bucket sitting on the edge of my desk though
[13:31:05] <d42> in my experience setup like that tends to end up with insufficient water/chinese pumping action and a broken laser tube
[13:32:30] <kyle____> really? the flow i'm getting is pretty good, not sure how i could do much better
[13:33:28] <kyle____> i was thinking that if there was room for improvement, it'd be making it more compact than a bucket
[13:40:03] <d42> i think the issue was that the water level got too low and nobody checked, but maybe the tube was just old
[13:41:33] <kyle____> ah
[13:41:44] <kyle____> yeah, i check on it often right now
[13:41:57] <kyle____> primarily because i don't trust any of the fittings that much
[13:42:28] <kyle____> once i get my air assist nozzle i'm probably going to take it apart and re-fit everything
[13:43:21] <d42> enleth might have some photos at hand of our current overengineered setup
[13:47:24] <d42> also you might check out the wiring, because in ours it consisted mostly of spliced wires and tape
[13:50:11] <kyle____> huh, from what i've seen so far it seems fairly well put together
[13:50:23] <kyle____> there seems to be tons of variation between these things
[13:52:43] <terkaa> Hi all
[13:53:42] <terkaa> I have been trying to add G84 / G74 threading canned cycles to current master.
[13:54:20] <d42> quality control does cost :3
[13:54:28] <terkaa> I found Michaels work here
http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/shortlog/refs/heads/g84-dev
[13:55:24] <terkaa> It is a bit outdated one but somehow managed to manually add it. Also it seems to work but I still have few questions left.
[13:56:32] <terkaa> First of all in interp_cycles.cc there was plane_name(plane) used and it is now obsolete? What to use instead?
[13:57:07] <terkaa> ie. ERS("G%c4 for plane %s not implemented", op, plane_name(plane));
[13:58:50] <kyle____> d42, think it might be worth it to build a new, bigger enclosure with a z axis bed?
[14:01:34] <enleth> kyle____: definitely check the HV cable, ours was spliced
[14:01:46] <kyle____> will do
[14:01:58] <enleth> shorted through the kapton tape to the chassis
[14:02:03] <kyle____> yikes
[14:02:10] <kyle____> that's no good
[14:03:02] <enleth> also put an analog 0-30mA meter on the return wire to have an idea of the real tube current
[14:03:07] <d42> kyle____: variable z axis might be cool because you can control the focus point
[14:03:18] <d42> but if it's worth it, idunno
[14:03:41] <kyle____> probably is, i can always replace individual parts later on
[14:03:50] <kyle____> new laser tube for example
[14:05:10] <kyle____> enleth, that's a good idea, was also thinking of engraving an actual dial with markings for 0%,25%,50%,75%, and 100% for the current regulator pot
[14:06:59] <d42> it would be better to know what are you actually regulating
[14:07:09] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: oh I thought that it had already passed, I will see about at least taking a peek
[14:07:27] <kyle____> oh yes
[14:10:39] <enleth> kyle____: the HV supply takes a 0-5V or 20kHz 5V PWM input, which is actually a "percentage" of output current
[14:10:54] <enleth> but what the maximum output current actually is?
[14:11:12] <enleth> it depends on your particular supply and tube, so you need a meter in there
[14:11:13] <kyle____> hm
[14:11:33] <kyle____> i see
[14:13:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-500v-Vertical-Mill-/291882885578 $2-3K
[14:14:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsui-Seiki-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-3-axis-Model-VS3A/172333773978 $3500
[14:17:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUI-SEIKI-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER/401048842728 $2900 or best
[14:22:32] <CaptHindsight> school lathe (not at my school)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whacheon-Ecostar-540-CNC-Lathe-Machine-Fanuc-Sys-6T-Model-B-A028-0050-B001-/131947466253
[14:25:32] <CaptHindsight> this Mori for $2k has been up for months
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-CNC-Lathe-SL-3A-/201672191637
[14:29:35] <gregcnc> are these Craftsman tool boxes terrible or really terrible?
https://goo.gl/sYy2s7
[14:33:24] <kyle____> just terrible for the most part
[14:36:48] <kyle____> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5654239893.png
[14:36:51] <kyle____> can anyone beat this
[14:36:53] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the ones at Menards tend to be dented
[14:38:48] <CaptHindsight> kyle____: oh sure, my ping times are 100x higher than that :)
[14:39:04] <gregcnc> iirc these don't open with the top closed, but you can disconnect the locking bar from the lid I'd like a kennedy 285X, but money
[14:39:08] <kyle____> lol
[14:39:58] <FinboySlick> Technically, I have 2Gbps here but no graphical browser connected to it.
[14:40:57] <neckro23> I only get 92 Mbps here apparently... weak
[14:41:25] <kyle____> hmm, what's the best free 2D cad software right now?
[14:45:26] <JT-Shop> librecad
[14:46:23] <neckro23> yeah there's librecad and qcad. they seem pretty similar, but I'm hardly a CAD expert
[14:46:29] <neckro23> I just cheat and use Illustrator myself
[14:47:00] <kyle____> hmm i have solidworks at home but i'd like something to screw around with at work
[14:47:05] <kyle____> librecad seems ok
[14:47:10] <kyle____> draftsight is good too
[14:47:57] <neckro23> ooo I oughta check out draftsight
[14:48:12] <kyle____> feels a lot like autocad
[14:48:33] <kyle____> ugly though
[14:49:43] <gregcnc> " our latest release of Orthocad V67.3 has a very sexy interface"
[14:50:31] <Cromaglious_> hehe for 2d I used emachineshop's software for quite awhile
[14:51:50] <Cromaglious_> I need to spend more time with librecad and figure out how it works... last cad I really used was Autocad 7
[14:52:07] <Cromaglious_> on a 386DX-25
[14:52:22] <Cromaglious_> pre 486...
[14:53:25] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That reminds me. NX11 works though the MOTIF interface is horrible.
[14:54:00] <Cromaglious_> heekscad doesn't seem to really be a generation software... mainly a manipulator..
[14:57:16] <Cromaglious_> oops... forgot my terminal window was ssh'd into the rpi3... just installed librecad on it..
[15:00:58] <MacGalempsy> hello again
[15:07:52] <Cromaglious_> yo... I'm sitting here... waiting to hear the postal worker, mail carrier, postal carrier, mailgirl, mailman, mailboy, maillady, the person in blue
[15:10:06] <kyle____> hmm, should i bother building a bigger enclosure or just leave it open?
[15:10:07] <MacGalempsy> why do you want to hear it?
[15:10:31] <andypugh> Cromaglious_:
https://www.amazon.com/Postman-David-Brin/dp/0553278746/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1474573326&sr=1-1&keywords=the+postman
[15:11:39] <andypugh> (It’s a very much better book than it was a film, you understand _why_ he does what he does. The film really didn’t do that at all.
[15:12:24] <FinboySlick> I always assumed it was: "because he's Kevin Costner"
[15:12:26] <andypugh> It’s actually all desperation, fear and guilt, not random heroism
[15:13:08] <andypugh> If you have read the book, it’s a better film too :-)
[15:13:24] <FinboySlick> Sort of like Dune then?
[15:13:59] <andypugh> Yes. Because Dune the books was far too long to make into one film
[15:14:15] <_methods> i hear they are going to try and do a remake again
[15:14:30] <CaptHindsight> only longer :)
[15:14:32] <andypugh> Consider the Hobbit. A tiny little book, only slightly stretched into 3 films
[15:14:34] <_methods> i wish someone would
[15:14:37] <FinboySlick> The miniseries wasn't really good.
[15:14:42] <_methods> it was horrible
[15:14:53] <_methods> i'd love to see someone put some effort into it
[15:14:59] <_methods> 3 movie dune
[15:15:13] <FinboySlick> Depends, would they stick to the first book?
[15:15:20] <CaptHindsight> dune fest, 48 hour film
[15:15:24] <andypugh> The best film ever made was a very short story by Phillip K Dick
[15:15:33] <FinboySlick> 3 movie for all of Frank's books would be way too short.
[15:15:43] <_methods> no 3 movies just for dune
[15:15:56] <_methods> to do it some sort of justice
[15:16:11] <FinboySlick> Thoughts on what they're doing with 'The Gunslinger'?
[15:16:22] <_methods> .........
[15:16:32] <FinboySlick> (Stephen King's epic)
[15:17:17] <_methods> supposedly they are redoing IT in 3 movies
[15:17:19] <CaptHindsight> I don't that there is a market for films like that
[15:17:44] <CaptHindsight> they don't make them for arts sake
[15:18:19] <FinboySlick> They definitely would need to re-think a lot of the stuff in IT anyway. It would greatly offend some sensibilities.
[15:18:44] <_methods> maybe they'll grab some sack and make it like the book
[15:18:48] <_methods> and R-rated
[15:18:52] <CaptHindsight> then again Netflix is talking about having 50% of it's media be original content
[15:19:07] <_methods> probably not by choice
[15:19:13] <_methods> the studios hate netflix
[15:19:27] <FinboySlick> They've produced some nice things, but they also released horrible, horrible (Adam Sandler-involved) crap.
[15:19:27] <andypugh> Not necessarily a problem. Hateful 8 (however they spelt it) was fun despite not conatining any likeable people, who all died.
[15:19:36] <CaptHindsight> https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/21/netflix-wants-50-of-its-library-to-be-original-content/
[15:19:40] <MacGalempsy> the only thing worse than the selection on netfilx is the selection on HULU
[15:19:50] <_methods> i wish someone would make a tv show out of stross's laundry files
[15:20:08] <CaptHindsight> The Man in the High Castle wasn't too bad on Amamzon
[15:20:08] <_methods> those books crack me up
[15:20:12] <andypugh> That’s not a bad idae
[15:20:18] <FinboySlick> Canadian netflix has pretty nice selection. I often find myself recommending stuff on netflix to US friends to find that they don't have it.
[15:20:35] <FinboySlick> We have gems like "Ex Machina" and semi-indy stuff like that.
[15:20:46] <andypugh> (name-drop, I was invited to Charles Stross’s birthday party :-)
[15:20:57] <_methods> wut
[15:21:15] <_methods> he looks like a fun dude
[15:21:31] <_methods> you didn't go?
[15:21:55] <andypugh> (It was held at worldcon, and he shared it with an old friend of mine, I actually barely know Stross himself)
[15:22:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods: ever hear of Whacheon Ecostar? the ebay link is in the backlog
[15:23:02] <_methods> i've heard of them
[15:23:23] <_methods> we had a hwacheon double spindle double chucker
[15:23:36] <_methods> i never ran he thing
[15:23:51] <_methods> but looked pretty well built
[15:24:13] <_methods> oops double spindle double turret lol
[15:24:13] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6EsAAOSwa81XSE2e/s-l1600.jpg
[15:24:29] <neckro23> is orthocad a full cad thing? info seems pretty sparse
[15:24:36] <CaptHindsight> school lathe, looks brand new from the 80's iirc
[15:24:38] <_methods> yeah nice solid machine
[15:25:13] <_methods> the one we had was not in nearly as nice of condition lol
[15:25:30] <dioz> canadian netflix sucks
[15:25:34] <dioz> yank netflix is where it's at
[15:25:43] <dioz> but since they strated geo-blocking it's dumb
[15:26:06] * JT-Shop doesn't know what to think about the angry chap on the forum...
[15:27:08] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what's the thread about?
[15:27:15] <MacGalempsy> anyone want to come over and show me how to operate the edm?
[15:27:32] <JT-Shop> whining cause someone won't do his work for him
[15:27:53] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: ask tom p on the ML
[15:28:11] <MacGalempsy> ML?
[15:28:16] <CaptHindsight> he's in Thailand but will talk you through it
[15:28:20] <CaptHindsight> mail list
[15:28:30] <MacGalempsy> waiting to hear back from my programming instructor
[15:28:53] <MacGalempsy> he said he worked in a machine shop since he was 16 and now he is in his 70s
[15:28:58] <CaptHindsight> tom worked in EDM for 40+ years
[15:29:08] <MacGalempsy> cool
[15:30:50] <MacGalempsy_> I have a manual for the next size up, so there are some walk thrus. however, I dont want to just jump into it and screw something up
[15:31:09] * JT-Shop was thinking about getting an exercise machine but it's cheaper to just run my manual 50 ton press brake for an hour or two a day lol
[15:31:25] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: I could see where someone could get frustrated about not understanding LCNC
[15:31:42] <JT-Shop> I can understand that too
[15:31:52] <JT-Shop> and do understand that
[15:32:04] <MacGalempsy_> the guy is probably a repcrapper who gets everything handed to him in the #reprap channel
[15:32:25] <andypugh> _I_ get frustrated about not understanding LinuxCNC
[15:32:29] <JT-Shop> when I run across someone that doesn't want to do his part I ask for $100/hr
[15:32:56] <MacGalempsy_> how many hours to make my ATC function properly?
[15:33:33] <JT-Shop> Alex Joni taught me early on to take a hint and do some work with that clue then come back for more clues
[15:33:39] <JT-Shop> learn more that way
[15:33:43] * Tom_itx checks to see what he needs to buy and does some quick hourly calculations
[15:33:44] <MacGalempsy_> actually, after reading through the classic ladder stuff, I was ready to start tackleing it, but the encoder was not reading
[15:33:57] <andypugh> I doubt that, at any one time, any one person understands all of LinuxCNC
[15:34:11] <JT-Shop> did you see my turret classicladder example?
[15:34:26] <MacGalempsy_> i sure did. that is one of the aides I was using to get things set up
[15:34:38] <JT-Shop> I would say that is very true, it's just too big for any one to know it all
[15:34:52] <MacGalempsy_> I think the other thing that happened was the HDD crash rocked my cnc world
[15:35:14] <MacGalempsy_> lost all my home made schematics and xls sheets.... luckily a few were saved online
[15:35:15] <JT-Shop> yea, that sucks when that happens
[15:35:43] <JT-Shop> sex bolts came in today so I can fix the wifes sun visor
[15:36:26] <JT-Shop> I have so many copies of all my stuff the challenge is where is it lol
[15:36:52] <MacGalempsy_> hahaha. that can be a good and bad thing
[15:37:18] <MacGalempsy_> one nice thing about these bidecade hard drive failures is that they help clean things up
[15:37:36] <MacGalempsy_> I thought I had lost 20 years of photos, but luckily they were on the backup drive
[15:39:25] <andypugh> I did a clean reiinstall confident that I had a backup,then found the backup was invisible to the new install. Then deleted the index for the backup trying to make it visible (don’t ask)
[15:40:00] <andypugh> I was upset at first, but after a while it felt quite liberating
[15:40:47] <FinboySlick> We don't use most of what we store, we're just upset that it's gone :P
[15:41:48] <FinboySlick> Mostly because of the energy or experiences associated with acquiring or producing it.
[15:42:07] <MacGalempsy_> andypugh: that is kind of how I felt. however, I also lost 7 years of consulting work, which sucks....
[15:42:31] <MacGalempsy_> thousands of horizontal well files from at least 2 dozen plays
[15:43:42] <MacGalempsy_> FinboySlick: yep
[15:44:15] <MacGalempsy_> luckily the picture and the 300 gigs of music survived!
[15:44:33] <andypugh> I had been updating OSes and Macs since about 1995 just by using the Apple update system (you can connect any Mac to another Mac as an external drive, and the OS can just pull in all the old stuff). I had at least one executable (a game, shufflepuck cafe) which would not actually run natiely on anything after 68030, despite the fact that since then I had owned 68040, PowerPC 603, G4, Intel Core Duo and now have a Core2Duo. That’s about 20 OS levels an
[15:44:34] <andypugh> compeltely different CPU instruction sets.
[15:45:02] <andypugh> MacGalempsy_: Did you try Photorec?
[15:45:30] <FinboySlick> Photorec works well, saved my sister's drive with that.
[15:45:46] <MacGalempsy_> I tried two different recovery softwares, which claimed to recover lots of files, but anything over 1kb was corrupt
[15:46:05] <FinboySlick> You better hope the file has some sort of hints in its data though. EXIF is great if if it's pictures. Names/structures/dates go byebye.
[15:46:17] <MacGalempsy_> so screw it.
[15:46:19] <andypugh> Photorec is great, it just scans raw HD sectors looking for recognizable file headers, reads the size data and assumes that the next sectors are the data. it’s either wrong, or you get your data back
[15:46:43] <MacGalempsy_> btw andy how was turkey?
[15:46:56] <andypugh> I am still there.
[15:47:12] <andypugh> it’s still raining. It started raining Tuesday night.
[15:47:13] <MacGalempsy_> you make it thru with the diesel pats?
[15:47:50] <andypugh> pats?
[15:47:54] <MacGalempsy_> parts
[15:48:15] <MacGalempsy_> you mentioned worry about getting thru customs with some stuff
[15:49:02] <andypugh> No problems. I guess a bag of wires doesn’t look like $40,000 to customs guys.
[15:49:32] <MacGalempsy_> heh. reminds me of coming back from peru with about $10 worth of "rocks"
[15:49:36] <MacGalempsy_> $10k
[15:50:20] <andypugh> http://www.kistler.com/cn/en/applications/automotive-research-test/engine-research-development/combustion-analysis-cylinder-pressure-testing/
[15:50:41] <MacGalempsy_> if the stone is not faceted, no customs :)
[15:51:17] <XXCoder> andypugh: heh I had reverse problem with that, I was shipping single lego figure worth $650
[15:51:24] <MacGalempsy_> and a 2 liter bottle of Ayahuasca
[15:51:38] <XXCoder> I was so worried that insurance would say "lego $650" denied" if it was lost
[15:51:50] <XXCoder> reardless on how rare it was
[15:52:02] <MacGalempsy_> pic of $650 Lego please
[15:52:27] <andypugh> The transducers can measure 200 bar pressure at up to 250C, they are 6mm dia and have a tiny coax connector on the end (M1.8 thread)
[15:52:28] <FinboySlick> It's a spaceman with the lower portion of the helmet unbroken. They don't exist.
[15:52:38] <XXCoder> lol
[15:52:54] <XXCoder> https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?M=sw158#T=S&O={}
[15:52:59] <MacGalempsy_> the do if we make some :)
[15:53:28] <MacGalempsy_> very cool
[15:54:14] <MacGalempsy_> shoot there is one that went for $2400!
[15:54:43] <MacGalempsy_> anyone want to make a few molds?
[15:55:27] <XXCoder> $100,000
[15:55:41] <XXCoder> because im likely to make mistakes and I need mill to make em ;)
[15:56:19] <MacGalempsy_> I ment more as a group effort, not to supply you with new machinery :P
[15:56:35] <XXCoder> hey its just an offer ;)
[15:56:47] <MacGalempsy_> duelly noted
[15:57:15] <JT-Shop> you supply the CAM?
[15:57:30] <MacGalempsy_> I was thinking a good project would be a coin change machine that scans each coin for and selects the rare ones
[15:57:48] <roycroft> ooh
[15:57:53] <roycroft> are we having a duel on the channel today?
[15:58:01] * roycroft gets the popcorn out
[15:58:30] <MacGalempsy_> lol. because I said duelly noted, means there is a duel?
[15:58:41] * XXCoder can't see supposely existant duel
[15:58:52] <roycroft> if you meant duly, then no
[15:58:55] <roycroft> but you said duelly :)
[15:58:58] <MacGalempsy_> http://fayar.craigslist.org/clt/5786685039.html
[15:59:13] <MacGalempsy_> there is a c3po there, but he doesnt look gold enough
[15:59:39] <XXCoder> thats pearl gold
[15:59:45] <XXCoder> definely not chrome gold
[16:01:26] <roycroft> i wasn't being the spelling police above, btw
[16:01:34] <roycroft> i just can't resist the opportunity for a pun
[16:01:35] <MacGalempsy> no worries
[16:03:53] <gregcnc> neckro23 orthocad 67.3 being sexy was a joke I have no idea if orthcad exists, but sounded appropriate for a faux CAD package
[16:04:21] <FinboySlick> How hard would it be to *build* a half-decent autocollimator nowadays?
[16:04:32] <JT-Shop> https://ibin.co/2vzQv4g9Ru0a.jpg
[16:04:51] <JT-Shop> I'm thinking I better drill the connecting holes after I bend them...
[16:05:27] <JT-Shop> I was thinking of letting the laser guy put the holes in but if the bend is off a tiny bit I better reference the short leg face
[16:06:27] <FinboySlick> Unless you have very good bending skills, yeah.
[16:07:36] <JT-Shop> the new press brake is pretty accurate, have you seen it?
[16:07:41] <CaptHindsight> or slots vs round holes
[16:07:50] <FinboySlick> No, but I'm always up for looking at cool machines.
[16:07:59] <CaptHindsight> but that is getting sloppy, if I'm allowed to say that :)
[16:08:00] <JT-Shop> I want tight holes with no slop
[16:08:04] <neckro23> gregcnc: well you got me, because it's apparently a real thing
[16:08:24] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Don't you let your mind go there.
[16:08:35] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/
[16:08:50] <JT-Shop> ain't my mind that is in the gutter lol
[16:10:07] <enleth> JT-Shop: is that a chinese ebay press?
[16:10:09] <FinboySlick> I had seen the CAD but nice to see actual steel. Do you plan to make it so you can have partial blades?
[16:10:32] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: can you make a jig that the three holes slip over for the bend?
[16:10:42] <MacGalempsy> so the bend is the same every time?
[16:10:52] <JT-Shop> the die and punch are removable so yea you could put short sections of punch in
[16:10:58] <JT-Shop> getting a photo now
[16:12:45] <XXCoder> ah finally see update to that press brake
[16:12:49] <XXCoder> works well?
[16:14:07] <JT-Shop> https://ibin.co/2vzTr671ehh0.jpg
[16:14:49] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: are you selling many of those?
[16:15:06] <JT-Shop> what is a those?
[16:15:20] <MacGalempsy> the spyder carry all
[16:15:28] <MacGalempsy> brackets
[16:15:56] <JT-Shop> I have a waiting list for them
[16:16:06] <MacGalempsy> man, that is awesome
[16:17:09] <JT-Shop> wanna see something scary?
https://ibin.co/2vzUjjg6Y1Ti.jpg
[16:17:12] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: are you going to build a powdercoat oven?
[16:17:26] <JT-Shop> have to
[16:17:35] <MacGalempsy> that is a scary long beard
[16:18:09] <JT-Shop> it was just a test
[16:18:11] <JT-Shop> lol
[16:18:27] <JT-Shop> kiln is much to small for this powder coat job
[16:22:03] <MacGalempsy> what temp does a powdercoating oven go up to?
[16:26:26] <CaptHindsight> ~200C
[16:28:25] <XXCoder> darn no 3d printed object powder coating then lol
[16:28:44] <MacGalempsy> just use nylon6
[16:28:53] <XXCoder> lol
[16:28:54] <XXCoder> anyway
[16:28:56] <MacGalempsy> i think it is 280c
[16:28:59] <XXCoder> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-home.htm what you guys think
[16:29:11] <XXCoder> actually 255c for printing temp if I recall
[16:29:34] <JT-Shop> flash off at 430F for 30 minutes, let cool, flame, apply powder, cure depends on the powder 350F-390F
[16:29:38] <XXCoder> im surpised that there is no chinese version of that
[16:30:27] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:09] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: SLS can build 3d parts from powder, it sinters the particles
[16:33:56] <XXCoder> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-v2_Gecko_G540_all_wiring_connections.png
[16:34:03] <XXCoder> interesting seem it uses vdf
[16:34:15] <XXCoder> well time to go work
[16:34:26] <CaptHindsight> powder coating temps vary by chemistry, we have some that cure well under 200C so that you can coat thermoplastics
[16:34:32] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yeh saw some of those, and that addive-subtractive cnc machine
[16:34:45] <XXCoder> interesting. gonna go bleh heh
[16:35:17] <CaptHindsight> the powder reflows at 70-100C and then it is UV cured
[16:36:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dvuv.com/ used on MDF
[16:36:53] <andypugh> Not an entirely random question. what colour do gunshots flash in the dark?
[16:37:09] <MacGalempsy_> orange
[16:38:23] <andypugh> There’s something going on outside the hotel with cars stopping in odd positions, and something that sounds like gunshots (vaguely, not entirely like the guns I used to shoot) and white flashes from the bushes
[16:39:07] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: still in Turkey?
[16:39:30] <pfred1> folks were shooting a lot here last night
[16:39:31] <andypugh> Yes. Back home I would assume fireworks
[16:39:49] <pfred1> it is getting close to hunting season so we have to limber up
[16:40:02] <andypugh> (but not as flashes from the bushes, to be honest)
[16:40:47] <pfred1> fireworks are illegal here so bangs are always guns
[16:41:04] <cradek> it sounds crazy when you say it like that
[16:41:19] <pfred1> what's crazy is japanese throwing stars are illegal here
[16:41:28] <pfred1> but we don't evne need a license to carry a gun
[16:41:39] <pfred1> now that's crazy
[16:41:57] <cradek> it's hard to put your finger on exactly what's craziest in the US
[16:42:19] <andypugh> I can see an argument that throwing Japanese stars should be illegal, but stars of any nationality should be OK.
[16:42:29] <pfred1> a couple years ago the big casei n the news was a guy that hacked a burgler to death with a samuari sword
[16:42:39] <andypugh> cradek: Trump?
[16:42:58] <CaptHindsight> they run for office here
[16:43:07] <pfred1> it was eventually ruled a justified homocide and he walked
[16:43:11] <gregcnc> i heard the british people voted to leave the EU?
[16:43:19] <pfred1> brexit
[16:43:26] <andypugh> Some did, some didn’t
[16:43:30] <pfred1> they built a wall too
[16:43:30] <gregcnc> vote
[16:43:37] <cradek> andypugh: about half of "us" love him, so it's unlikely he's the craziest one.
[16:43:41] <pfred1> well it i more of a fence
[16:43:53] <andypugh> Yeah, most voted to leave, I was one of them.
[16:43:57] <pfred1> OK maybe a couple fences
[16:44:23] <roycroft> not even remotely half of the us "love" trump
[16:44:26] <andypugh> The plan is to claim the US back, I think.
[16:44:40] <pfred1> trump is a dickhead but what choice do we have?
[16:44:43] <roycroft> a bit over 40% of likely voters will vote for him, according to current polling
[16:44:57] <roycroft> which is but a tiny fraction of the population
[16:45:12] <roycroft> and only a small percentage of them that will likely vote for him "love" him
[16:45:16] <pfred1> hillary has too strong a will to power to let her in office
[16:45:23] <roycroft> most who vote for him will do so because they hate clinton
[16:45:33] <andypugh> And Trump doesn’t?
[16:45:36] <MacGalempsy_> your kidding right? will power?
[16:45:37] <pfred1> if anyone would destroy the world it'd be her
[16:45:43] <roycroft> trump does 10x more than clinton
[16:45:52] <roycroft> he's the scary one
[16:45:54] <MacGalempsy_> she is riding feminism all she can
[16:45:55] <roycroft> that's what i don't get
[16:45:56] <pfred1> he bitch always wear pants
[16:46:05] <cradek> of course roycroft is right
[16:46:15] <roycroft> everything bad they say about clinton is 10x worse with trump
[16:46:21] <pfred1> nah for real no one would be better off with hillary in office
[16:46:29] <roycroft> but the trumpeters will vote for him because of the thigns they don't like about her
[16:46:48] <pfred1> yeah I am pretty much voting against her not for trump
[16:46:48] <roycroft> iam not votiing for either one
[16:46:49] <cradek> she's been in public service for decades. he's never done a single thing for any reason other than enriching himself
[16:46:49] <MacGalempsy_> that she is a crook?
[16:46:54] <MacGalempsy_> that she is a criminal?
[16:47:12] <pfred1> MacGalempsy_ she's power mad
[16:47:16] <pfred1> she always has been
[16:47:29] <roycroft> the media have set a double standard
[16:47:32] <pfred1> when she was 26 on the Nixon case she was a bitch
[16:47:34] <roycroft> and that's why trump is doing as well as he is
[16:47:42] <roycroft> take one thing that both candidates have in common
[16:47:44] <roycroft> their foundations
[16:47:53] <roycroft> trump has a foundation that personally enriches him
[16:47:53] <MacGalempsy_> Hillary is enriching herself. whe claimed to be broke leaving the white house and now they are worth millions
[16:47:54] <andypugh> And Trump isn’t Power Mad? (and just generally Mad, to go with it?)
[16:48:14] <roycroft> he gets other people to give him money which he then gets his non-profit foundation to give to him
[16:48:25] <roycroft> and make illegal campaign donations (that benefit him)
[16:48:25] <pfred1> andypugh not to the extent Hillary is he has less to prove
[16:48:33] <MacGalempsy_> I think Trump is in to improve America for the actual working class. We have let too many people float through on social spending
[16:48:38] <roycroft> clinton has a foundation from which her family has not taken one dime
[16:48:47] <MacGalempsy_> thats a lie
[16:48:50] <pfred1> he's already the powerful man that Hillary always wanted to be
[16:48:52] <roycroft> no, it's not
[16:48:59] <MacGalempsy_> what about the other 2 foundations?
[16:49:11] <roycroft> no member of the clinton family has ever been paid one cent for work for the foundation
[16:49:11] <andypugh> I am now terrified.
[16:49:18] <cradek> andypugh: yeah
[16:49:26] <roycroft> bill clinton has made speeches for which he's been well paid
[16:49:29] <MacGalempsy_> just a large slush fund
[16:49:34] <pfred1> andypugh these are dangerous times
[16:49:37] <roycroft> but he paid taxes on those speaking fees
[16:49:48] <MacGalempsy_> dont take a dime from one, but let it cover all your expenses
[16:49:49] <andypugh> Luckily I can just kill myself with a clean conscience when the world stops being a fun place to be
[16:49:56] <pfred1> they were bad before this election though
[16:49:59] <roycroft> that's not the case with the clinton foundation
[16:50:15] <roycroft> i'm not saying that the access to the secretary of state was a great thing
[16:50:18] <pfred1> we caught that mad bomber pretty fast here though didn't we?
[16:50:19] <roycroft> but it wasn't illegal
[16:50:31] <roycroft> trump has done blatent, demonstrably illegal things with his foundation
[16:50:37] <roycroft> he's paid penalties to the irs for them
[16:50:43] <roycroft> but he gets a free pass
[16:50:55] <MacGalempsy_> you said the key thing, he paid for it
[16:50:56] <roycroft> the clintons have done nothing illegal with thier foundation
[16:51:01] <MacGalempsy_> so its not a free pass
[16:51:06] <roycroft> it is a free pass
[16:51:16] <roycroft> he bribed a state attorney general to not prosecute hiim
[16:51:22] <roycroft> and paid a $2500 penalty for doing so
[16:51:23] <MacGalempsy_> selling access to the secretary of state wiht foundation contributions
[16:51:58] <MacGalempsy_> that is illegal and after Trump wins, I look forward to watching Hillary go to trial
[16:51:59] <roycroft> the clinton foundation spends over 90% of its money on actually helping people
[16:52:07] <roycroft> that is not illegal
[16:52:16] <roycroft> by the roberts and scalia standards, even
[16:52:16] <MacGalempsy_> ha!
[16:52:37] <roycroft> i'm not a clinton fan
[16:52:40] <roycroft> i will not be voting for her
[16:52:46] <MacGalempsy_> http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/just-5-7-percent-of-clinton-foundation-budget-actually-went-to-charity/
[16:52:49] <roycroft> but i try to be fair to people
[16:52:51] <andypugh> Err.. CNC machines!
[16:52:54] <JT-Shop> I have two 1" shafts 30" apart how can I measure them for parallel
[16:52:54] <MacGalempsy_> lol
[16:52:59] <roycroft> i don't know what dailycaller.com is
[16:53:02] <MacGalempsy_> ok. im stopping the political talk
[16:53:08] <roycroft> but i am going to assume it's a right wing conspiracy site
[16:53:15] <MacGalempsy_> the key is 5.7% is spent on charitable causes
[16:53:22] <roycroft> because the audited financials of the clinton foundatin say that over 90% is spent on charitable causes
[16:54:03] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I would guess you don’t have a 30” caliper?
[16:55:10] <andypugh> Maybe a 30”- rod and feeler gauges?
[16:56:14] <JT-Shop> 24" caliper, ok that makes sense
[16:56:25] <cradek> do you know they're coplanar?
[16:56:39] <cradek> I think calipers can't tell you, otherwise
[16:56:50] <JT-Shop> that is the second problem
[16:56:55] <andypugh> Indeed. It’s all a bit non-trivial
[16:57:10] <roycroft> macgalempsy_: i'll not pursue this further, but please clieck the link to the actual tax filing that's in that article and draw your own conclusions
[16:57:14] <roycroft> click
[16:57:25] <kyle____> "any website that publishes articles i disagree with are just ______ wing conspiracy sites!"
[16:57:30] <roycroft> and note that wages/salaries include the people working int he field administering aid
[16:57:43] <roycroft> look at the salaries for officers
[16:57:59] <andypugh> A high-precision level can tell you they are coplanar, if they are also parallel.
[16:58:00] <roycroft> especially people like chelsea and bill clinton, whose salary is 0
[16:58:08] <MacGalempsy_> kyle____: lol exactly
[16:58:14] <kyle____> it's this exact same reasoning that should make you question the information you're given by "reputable" sources in the same way
[16:58:20] <JT-Shop> my WW2 "surface place" is 22" x 16"
[16:58:23] <kyle____> never take it at face value
[16:58:25] <roycroft> i disagree with articles that are factually incorrect
[16:58:35] <kyle____> how do you know they're factually incorrect?
[16:58:46] <roycroft> becuase i look at the raw data
[16:58:50] <kyle____> but you didn't in this case
[16:58:54] <roycroft> yes, i just did
[16:58:56] <kyle____> you just called it a right wing conspiracy site and moved on
[16:59:08] <roycroft> no, i went to that site and read the article
[16:59:11] <cradek> guys...
[16:59:18] <roycroft> which is where i found the link to the tax filing
[16:59:21] <kyle____> yeah let's move on from the political talk ;)
[16:59:23] <roycroft> which is the true source of information
[16:59:31] <roycroft> sorry
[16:59:43] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-09.jpg
[16:59:50] <roycroft> i was only suggesting that folks read the actual tax filing, and not an interpretation of it, and draw their own conclusions
[16:59:51] <andypugh> Guys: Enough. I mentioned Trump as a jocund remark. Nobody here is going to change their opinions because of something somebody else says here.
[16:59:55] <roycroft> and now i'll zip my lips
[17:00:04] <kyle____> harambe for president 2016
[17:00:14] <roycroft> labour will have a new leader on saturday
[17:00:15] <JT-Shop> I had to leave the bolts that hold the blocks that have the rods in a tiny bit loose so I know the base is not perfect
[17:00:18] <roycroft> same as the old leader
[17:00:22] <roycroft> :)
[17:00:55] <roycroft> we don't have a monopoly on political nuttery in this country
[17:01:25] <andypugh> No, there is Putin. And the UK Brexit thing.
[17:01:27] <roycroft> and i'm not saying that corbyn is or is not a nut
[17:01:34] <roycroft> i'm saying the whole process is nuttery
[17:02:03] <roycroft> as was the tory leadership thing
[17:02:07] <JT-Shop> actually the rods just need to be collinear with the bearings in the top bar...
[17:02:08] <roycroft> whatever you call that circus
[17:02:09] <kyle____> any time you get enough people together there will be absolute nuttery
[17:02:21] <roycroft> and by "enough" you mean "three or more", right?
[17:02:22] <kyle____> no matter how reasonable the individuals are
[17:02:24] <kyle____> indeed
[17:02:29] <kyle____> sometimes even just two
[17:02:36] <andypugh> Democracy is wrong, because it assumes that averybody has an opinion of equal value to mine, and I know that itn’t true, because I am right.
[17:02:42] <roycroft> if there's only two they will have a duel and the nuttery will be over
[17:03:17] <kyle____> democracy is wrong because the average person has no clue what they're talking about
[17:03:19] <roycroft> that's exactly why early attempts at democracy in spain failed
[17:03:22] <kyle____> see brexit for a great example
[17:03:27] <roycroft> when they had free elections everyone voted for himself
[17:03:45] <kyle____> representative democracies are great though
[17:03:49] <enleth> one of my uni professors, an old guy with old manners, used to say that the politics in the interwar period was more civilised around here because people could actually duel
[17:04:01] <kyle____> that doesn't surprise me
[17:04:11] <enleth> so they were wary of slandering others, because they could die in a duel
[17:04:11] <roycroft> englisher pig
[17:04:16] <kyle____> you're way more likely to actually consider someone's opinion if they've got a gun pointed at you
[17:04:18] <roycroft> i fart in your general direction!
[17:04:54] <andypugh> JT-Shop: How do these rods relate to the press?
[17:05:46] <andypugh> Probably for the best, really. Goodnight remaining chaps in this bit :-)
[17:10:53] <JT-Shop> I can put them horizontal back on the bench
[17:10:56] <roycroft> an at least nominally apolitical head of state helps keep the government in check
[17:11:06] <pfred1> wholly crap this place getting as bad as EFnet
[17:11:06] <JT-Shop> I have a machinist level
[17:11:12] <pfred1> me too
[17:11:17] <enleth> it might be also very slightly reassuring that at least in pure theory she could suddenly assume power
[17:11:22] <pfred1> I have oh what kind is it a Starrett?
[17:11:28] <JT-Shop> cradek: thanks for the ideas
[17:11:44] <roycroft> there was a 12" starrett precision machinsts's level on cl for $25 two days ago
[17:11:50] <JT-Shop> Taiwan I think
[17:11:55] <roycroft> i called within minutes of its posting and it was gone, of course
[17:11:57] <pfred1> yeah I just have one of those tiny thing
[17:12:03] <roycroft> i have a 6" one
[17:12:08] <roycroft> but a 12" one would be nice
[17:12:10] <pfred1> it looks like a coupler nut but it has a glass bubble in it
[17:12:46] <enleth> that feeling when machinist talk taken out of context sounds like dick jokes
[17:13:05] <roycroft> our division of powers between the three branches of government is our checks and balances system
[17:13:14] <roycroft> the queen is the uk's
[17:13:28] <enleth> still, in the end, all you get is Trump
[17:13:28] <pfred1> roycroft here they're all corrupt career politicians
[17:13:43] <roycroft> we would survive trump
[17:13:49] <roycroft> we would also survive clinton
[17:13:54] <pfred1> none of them have ever done an honest days worth of work in their lives
[17:14:03] <JT-Shop> mine is an 8" from MSC IIRC
[17:15:16] <pfred1> one thing I like about Trump is every former President alive today says don't vote for him
[17:15:36] <pfred1> so all the crooks don't liek Trump
[17:15:51] <enleth> well he said he would unite people
[17:15:57] <enleth> he didn't say how
[17:16:05] <pfred1> yes
[17:16:33] <pfred1> they're united against him
[17:16:51] <enleth> crooks don't like competition
[17:17:36] <pfred1> I got the PSU I was going to use on my machine today
[17:17:46] <pfred1> I tested it out and packed it back up
[17:18:22] <pfred1> it was advertised as 36V open it puts out 30V under load 26V
[17:18:41] <MacGalempsy> no pots huh?
[17:18:53] <pfred1> not one that actually did anything no
[17:19:11] <pfred1> I spun the one it had around it did dick
[17:19:19] <MacGalempsy> brand name or chinese?
[17:19:24] <pfred1> chinese
[17:20:33] <pfred1> apparently it is the 36V PSU du jour because everyone is selling the same one
[17:20:44] <pfred1> https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20160922135147&SearchText=36V+10A+360W+Switching+Power+Supply
[17:21:16] <pfred1> maybe the one i got is just a dud?
[17:21:28] <pfred1> they can't all suck this hard
[17:22:08] <pfred1> there's an anti-tamper sticker on it so I ain't going to look at it or anything
[17:22:19] <pfred1> I bought ti so I wouldn't have to mess around
[17:22:24] <JT-Shop> well air bending works great, set the down stops and put one or many parts in and press till it stops and they are all the same angle
[17:22:24] <enleth> pfred1: aliexpress or ebay?
[17:22:27] <pfred1> ali
[17:22:42] <enleth> pfred1: you can probably easily get the money back *and* keep the PSU
[17:23:10] <pfred1> enleth that's what I'm hoping I opened up a dispute i took a picture of it with some meters hooked up to it as my "evidence"
[17:23:12] <enleth> pfred1: because the sellers often tell you to keep the stuff
[17:23:41] <pfred1> hey if it would have worked I'd have been happy
[17:23:49] <pfred1> but this is worse than the PSU I'm using now
[17:24:02] <pfred1> so it does me no good
[17:24:33] <pfred1> I have a simple unregulated transformer that can put out 28V all day long
[17:24:33] <MacGalempsy> pfred1: try a sigma
[17:24:45] <roycroft> so all the other banter aside, i have a problem that perhaps a more experienced machinist can advise on
[17:24:54] <roycroft> i have a sheldon horizontal mill
[17:24:58] <roycroft> nice little machine
[17:25:06] <pfred1> I never ran a horizontal mill
[17:25:10] <roycroft> i need to do some disassembly on it
[17:25:21] <roycroft> the crank for one of the tables is held on with a taper pin
[17:25:23] <pfred1> we had a beautiful one thoug hall hand scraped and frosted
[17:25:28] <dioz> i showed someone how to cut sheet metal with a screw driver and a hammer today
[17:25:32] <dioz> their mind was blown
[17:25:35] <roycroft> it appears that the pin was inserted correctly into the crank
[17:25:46] <dioz> galv iron. 18 gauge
[17:25:55] <roycroft> but the crank was put on the shaft incorrectly
[17:26:00] <roycroft> rotated 180 degrees
[17:26:11] <roycroft> such that the taper pin only went in part of the way
[17:26:18] <dioz> roycroft: you should mention something about welding galv iron so pfred1 gets angry
[17:26:20] <roycroft> and now the small end is mushroomed over
[17:26:22] <dioz> it's really funny imo
[17:26:32] <roycroft> i am having a heck of a time removing it
[17:26:33] <dioz> apparently pfred1 almost died from welding galv iron
[17:26:45] <dioz> ask him about it
[17:27:07] <roycroft> and since it's attached to a big heavy piece of machinery it's difficult to mount it on a mill or sensitive drill press to work on it
[17:27:22] <roycroft> any brilliant ideas on how to remove it?
[17:27:35] <pfred1> slap hammer?
[17:27:37] <roycroft> it's jammed in really tightly
[17:27:40] <enleth> pfred1:
http://i.imgur.com/Fjv04N7.png could be worse, this is the "power supply" I'm using for the lathe steppers now
[17:27:54] <malcom2073> Did I hear galv welding? *TRIGGERED*
[17:27:56] <malcom2073> :P
[17:28:03] <pfred1> enleth I wish I had something like that
[17:28:19] <pfred1> though those filter caps do look a little shaky
[17:28:36] <pfred1> you can probably do better
[17:28:36] <roycroft> if i could remove the whole assembly without too much difficulty i might be able to drill it out or take it to a shop where they can edm it out
[17:28:51] <pfred1> roycroft is the pin hardened?
[17:29:03] <roycroft> it doesn't appear to be
[17:29:10] <pfred1> then yo ucan drill it and tap it
[17:29:11] <roycroft> if it were hardened the tip would not be mushroomed over
[17:29:24] <roycroft> it's fairly small
[17:29:31] <roycroft> i don't want to damage the crank or the shaft end
[17:29:35] <pfred1> yeah well just be careful
[17:29:42] <MacGalempsy> how about a snall dremel tool to grind down the mushroom tip
[17:29:43] <MacGalempsy> ?
[17:29:56] <roycroft> i might take a flex shaft tool with a diamond bit and slowlly grind it out
[17:29:59] <roycroft> that could take hours
[17:30:02] <pfred1> ox on youtube did a video about how much force a 10x32 screw has
[17:30:08] <roycroft> but it might get the job done
[17:30:11] <pfred1> something like 10,000 pounds
[17:30:25] <pfred1> it is unreal how strong screws are
[17:30:35] <roycroft> i'd feel more comfortable if i could fixture the drilling machine somehow
[17:30:41] <pfred1> yeah well
[17:30:44] <roycroft> perhaps i could make a jig that i could mount to the machine
[17:30:51] <enleth> pfred1: that's a bunch of caps I had lying around, tied them with a ziptie, soldered some bare wire over and went over with hotglue. it works.
[17:30:54] <pfred1> sometimes yo ujust gotta finesse stuff
[17:31:08] <roycroft> i'm old and my hands are a little arthritic
[17:31:14] <roycroft> finesse isn't as easy as it used to be
[17:31:15] <pfred1> enleth I don't doubt it works it still looks a bit rough though
[17:31:21] <roycroft> it's not a lack of patience on my part
[17:31:25] <enleth> pfred1: total capacitance matched using the very scientific method of "meh, looks fine"
[17:31:32] <roycroft> it's a lack of skill that i still have the ability to do it
[17:31:42] <roycroft> er, lack of confidence
[17:31:48] <roycroft> well-founded lack
[17:31:58] <pfred1> roycroft yeah it sounds dicy
[17:32:10] <roycroft> i can hold the flex shaft tool for about a minute or so before my hand gets fatigued
[17:32:16] <pfred1> like breaking a head bolt off below the deck of the block
[17:32:23] <enleth> roycroft: what about getting a fine-tipped punch to hammer it out?
[17:32:42] <enleth> roycroft: so that the mushroomed end folds in over again on the hole edge?
[17:32:45] <roycroft> the problem is due to its being installed backwards
[17:33:05] <roycroft> pushing the pin out on the small end would work fine for the crank
[17:33:12] <pfred1> enleth that's a great looking toroidal transformer
[17:33:17] <roycroft> but the shaft hole gets smaller as i push the pin farther in
[17:33:29] <roycroft> so the mushroomed part has nowhere to go
[17:33:43] <roycroft> i've tried, somewhat gingerly, but enough to know it's not going to work out
[17:34:07] <pfred1> roycroft the worst thing I ever did was pull the back drums off my P1800s
[17:34:09] <roycroft> i might be able to remove the entire lead screw
[17:34:16] <pfred1> I spent 3 days with a puller and a torch
[17:34:25] <enleth> roycroft: diamond burr on a dremel it is then, with the help of someone who can hold it for an hour
[17:34:25] <pfred1> ruined the puller but i got them off
[17:34:27] <roycroft> crank, bearings, and all attached
[17:34:40] <roycroft> if i could get it off the machine i know i could mount it so that i could drill the damn thing out
[17:34:47] <pfred1> 3 long hard days
[17:35:08] <roycroft> the mill has been sitting around for years because of this
[17:35:12] <pfred1> I had to get the whole drum glowing cherry red before it'd come off
[17:35:19] <roycroft> just last weekend i moved it, which was a lot of fun
[17:35:25] <enleth> roycroft: or - how thick is the shaft in this place? is it going to be able to accept a much bigger pin if you drill the whole thing out, enlarging the hole in the process?
[17:35:39] <roycroft> and it got me thinking i should really get the damn thing running
[17:35:53] <roycroft> it's a fairly small shaft
[17:35:53] <enleth> roycroft: you could drill it out freehand, then ream for a proper taper, just a bigger one, later
[17:35:56] <pfred1> can't get the crank out huh?
[17:36:00] <roycroft> i could drill it bigger if i had to
[17:36:08] <roycroft> but not much bigger
[17:36:12] <roycroft> i would prefer not to do that though
[17:36:22] <roycroft> sheldon owners are a fanatical lot
[17:36:30] <Valen> Magnetic drill?
[17:36:35] <enleth> or cut the fucker off and weld it back together with a sleeve later
[17:36:38] <pfred1> sometimes if hardware is really fubared I got no choice but to retap it
[17:36:45] <roycroft> and if i ever want to sell it, having redrilled that shaft will devalue it
[17:36:54] <Valen> Like they use for drilling steelwork in place
[17:37:06] <pfred1> a magnetic drill
[17:37:12] <roycroft> that wouldn't work
[17:37:19] <roycroft> i know exactly what you're talking about
[17:37:20] <pfred1> mag drill
[17:37:25] <roycroft> sheldons are fairly small
[17:37:39] <roycroft> this thing is maybe 600lbs
[17:37:46] <enleth> pfred1: the transformer is actually an original ORAC part and luckily it has a 55VAC output they didn't use - so I can get the 70V needed to properly power the original steppers
[17:37:56] <roycroft> it's like a horizontal version of a mill-drill
[17:38:18] <enleth> pfred1: those cheap bastards used stepper drivers based on L298 which limited motor voltage to 40V
[17:38:24] <enleth> which is why it lost steps all the time
[17:38:30] <pfred1> enleth it is only 70V rectified?
[17:38:37] <roycroft> i'm thinking that making a guide for a flex shaft tool is probably my best bet
[17:39:01] <enleth> pfred1: or 52V or something like that, rectifies and filters to 70-something
[17:39:12] <pfred1> should be like 77VDC
[17:39:18] <enleth> or maybe that
[17:39:21] <roycroft> a pvc tube of the correct inside diameter that i could clap to the machine would probably suffice
[17:39:34] <pfred1> 80V drives?
[17:39:36] <roycroft> clamp
[17:39:40] <enleth> pfred1: can't remebmer right now; anyway it's spot on for the new Leadshines that take up to 80V and the motors, which are fine up to 95V
[17:39:50] <pfred1> sweet
[17:40:12] * JT-Shop wonders why the forum says I'm offline
[17:40:17] <pfred1> I just wanted 32VDC
[17:40:21] <pfred1> and i couldn't get it!
[17:40:31] <roycroft> because you're not really here and we can't see you, jt-shop
[17:40:35] <roycroft> so go back to work!
[17:40:52] <enleth> pfred1: actually, the leadshines will tolerate 90V just fine, they do say it in the manual - but they advertise 80V on the cover so that amateurs who don't know any better leave some headroom for back-EMF
[17:40:52] <JT-Shop> after 5 o'clock here :)
[17:41:04] <pfred1> enleth well yeah
[17:41:12] <enleth> pfred1: probably saves them a lot of recalls
[17:41:17] * roycroft is done with work for the day himself, and may head out to the steel yard presently
[17:41:18] <pfred1> what do you do run freewheelign diodes?
[17:42:26] <pfred1> I'm going to try these drives with my old PSU I guess
[17:42:59] <pfred1> they have half the setup time as my old drives do
[17:43:11] <pfred1> which is an improvement right there
[17:43:18] <enleth> no external diodes here
[17:43:55] <pfred1> I use a transformer I scavenged out of an old minicomputer
[17:44:06] <pfred1> it is a big beast
[17:44:39] <pfred1> I series a pair of coils in it it is multi tapped multi windings really
[17:45:13] <enleth> I'm probably going to have to rewind pair of huge switchmode supply transformers soon - to power the bridgeport's servos
[17:45:31] <pfred1> I'm going to try to make SMPS
[17:45:41] <enleth> I bought an old Alcatel 3kW 48V telecom power supply
[17:45:45] <pfred1> because getting high VA transformers these days is problematic
[17:45:45] <enleth> it's a little bit borked
[17:46:08] <pfred1> I'm just tired of it anymore
[17:46:10] <enleth> but it's so absurdly overengineered that it might be capable of 140V at 4kW or so
[17:46:15] <pfred1> heh
[17:46:27] <pfred1> gotta love companies with more cash than sense
[17:46:27] <enleth> with a rewound transformer and new control circuit
[17:46:54] <pfred1> commercial stuff is so overkill
[17:46:56] <enleth> the old control is fried anyway, but all the important stuff works
[17:47:08] <enleth> PWM generators, HF rectifiers and so on
[17:47:20] <enleth> it weighs 30kg
[17:47:25] <enleth> without the enclosure
[17:47:30] <pfred1> why? because we cna afford to!
[17:47:49] <enleth> most of the weight is common mode chokes
[17:47:56] <enleth> every single module has a huge ass choke
[17:48:26] <enleth> there's a 1kg choke on each input phase - yeah, it's a 3 phase input PSU
[17:48:49] <enleth> another bigger - 1.5kg or so - choke after the rectifier, on the 580VDC bus
[17:49:06] <pfred1> gotta smooth everything out
[17:49:07] <enleth> one smaller choke on each PWM module
[17:49:21] <enleth> a 3kg fucker on the rectifier board
[17:49:39] <enleth> and a medium sized common mode choke with a bunch of shunt capacitors on the output board
[17:49:53] <pfred1> sounds like nice kit
[17:50:32] <pfred1> I'm going to foray into SMPS give it a shot at least
[17:50:55] <pfred1> I have some TL494 ICs on order now to start off with
[17:51:10] <pfred1> get some hands on with them
[17:51:41] <pfred1> I still haven't decided on the MOSFETs i want to use though
[17:51:56] <pfred1> lots of specs there I am not familar with
[17:52:01] <enleth> consider IGBTs too
[17:52:05] <pfred1> yup
[17:52:17] <pfred1> thoug hthey seem to be for higher current
[17:52:23] <enleth> FETs have a current tail problem
[17:52:29] <pfred1> I jsut want like a 10 amp supply
[17:52:42] <pfred1> starting off small so to speak
[17:52:44] <enleth> which is a non-issue with low currents, but a huge problem with high power
[17:53:04] <pfred1> yeah I've been researching it all
[17:53:15] <pfred1> reading buying guides and app notes
[17:53:26] <pfred1> unti lI start actually blowing stuff up though I won't know what's what
[17:53:53] <pfred1> I'm a hands on kind of a guy
[17:54:15] <pfred1> that's why i buy my parts in bulk
[17:54:27] <pfred1> oh I guess i shouldn't ahve doen that
[17:54:36] <pfred1> poof!
[17:55:04] <enleth> pfred1: maybe buy an old telecom supply too - it really helped me understand it properly because all the essential parts are separate PCBs interconnected with the least possible amount of wires
[17:55:11] <pfred1> my motto with power electronics is if you ain't frying you ain't trying
[17:55:44] <pfred1> yeah I wish I had access to that kind of thing here
[17:56:01] <enleth> it was much easier than single PCB supplies to understand
[17:56:18] <pfred1> here if it ain't sticks, or mud, you're probably not going to find it
[17:56:18] <enleth> well, I bought it off a local auction site
[17:56:30] <pfred1> I livei n a rural area now there's nothing out here
[17:56:47] <enleth> from a military surplus dealer, no less
[17:56:47] <pfred1> well there is an AFB not too far away
[17:57:06] <pfred1> biggest AFB in the world?
[17:57:27] <pfred1> I live south of Dover AFB
[17:58:11] <pfred1> place just looks like a lot of chain link fence to me
[17:58:27] <pfred1> if they sell surplus I am not aware of it
[18:01:13] <pfred1> my other big CNC fiasco lately was my pen plotter head
[18:01:29] <pfred1> I mede a pen head so I can plot with my machine
[18:01:36] <pfred1> so I figure let me get a refill for it
[18:01:57] <pfred1> I pop the pen open and it says use standard fisher refill so I think that sounds easy to get
[18:02:07] <pfred1> yeah maybe 30 years ago
[18:02:27] <pfred1> now they're all of them pressurized space pen refills
[18:02:58] <kyle____> just tape a ballpoint on it
[18:02:59] <pfred1> so now I'm planning on making a whole new head that accepts different refills
[18:03:40] <pfred1> I looked for days for the refills I need
[18:04:26] <pfred1> best i could find was the cross refills and pull that plastic cap off the back of them
[18:18:38] <pfred1> https://cthulhuforamerica.com/
[18:35:34] <_methods> hahah
[18:35:42] <_methods> maybe the elder gods can figure this mess out
[18:37:10] <_methods> what have you got to lose....
[18:37:14] <_methods> besides your sanity
[18:39:47] <pfred1> no lives matter
[18:40:27] <_methods> Unfortunately, you ape-things insist on voting for the middling or lesser evil!
[18:41:07] <pfred1> this PSu smells so bad
[18:41:15] <_methods> #ReadyForCthulhu
[18:41:17] <_methods> lol
[18:41:22] <pfred1> I had it open in my shop for liek a half an hour it still reeks
[18:41:31] <_methods> spray some fabreeze on it
[18:41:37] <pfred1> it could use it
[18:41:54] <pfred1> it is some noxious chemical smell unlike anything I've ever smelled before
[18:42:31] <pfred1> the best i can describe it is like sweaty feet in synthetic sandals?
[18:43:04] <_methods> After you are eaten, your effective tax rate will be ZERO.
[18:43:26] <pfred1> that's a plus
[18:44:35] <BeachBumPete> OK I give up....I have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about... but that is nothing new around here :)
[18:44:53] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:44:58] <pfred1> there's an upside to everything. You jsut have to know how to spin it
[18:45:49] <_methods> a new candidate that matters pete
[18:45:59] <_methods> https://cthulhuforamerica.com/education/
[18:46:05] <_methods> just look at that education policy
[18:46:40] <_methods> Replace “Common Core” with a comprehensive Cult studies program under control of individual states.
[18:46:42] <_methods> lol
[18:47:16] <BeachBumPete> dafuk?
[18:47:41] <_methods> apparently you're not a cthulhu follower
[18:47:51] <BeachBumPete> proudly
[18:47:56] <pfred1> cthulhu cares about issues you care about
[18:48:00] <_methods> you live near the water
[18:48:13] <BeachBumPete> cthulhu can stick it
[18:48:14] <pfred1> I live close to the water
[18:48:14] <_methods> it only makes sense
[18:48:49] <pfred1> I can put a boat in less than 6 miles from me and get into the ocean
[18:49:02] <_methods> that much closer to the old gods
[18:49:06] <BeachBumPete> hey me too
[18:49:09] <pfred1> though there's a real good ramp about 10 miles away
[18:49:34] <pfred1> free too
[18:49:40] <BeachBumPete> there must be a hundred places for me to put a boat in the water around here that lead to the ocean...aside from the ocean itself :)
[18:49:59] <pfred1> yeah it's nice to have parking
[18:50:31] <_methods> i'm sure cthulhu will work hard to ensure water access for all
[18:50:34] <pfred1> parking that accommodates a truck with a boat trailer on it
[18:52:03] <pfred1> I don't know which project i should work on first
[18:52:17] <pfred1> my new pen holder or new motor drives
[18:53:00] <pfred1> I guess the drives would make the most sense
[18:53:28] <pfred1> but I wanted the PSU before I started that
[18:54:40] <pfred1> I love plotting with my CNC
[19:03:17] <renesis> w/ pen
[19:03:18] <renesis> '?
[19:04:50] <pfred1> yes
[19:05:23] <pfred1> I never took a picture of my pen holder version 2
[19:05:44] <pfred1> I should put it back together just to take a shot of it
[19:12:05] <pfred1> my pen holder version 2
http://i.imgur.com/zo0YOMW.jpg
[19:13:05] <pfred1> my new one will be even nicer
[19:13:13] <pfred1> not terribly hard ot do really
[19:16:45] <pfred1> I settled on Pilot Precise V5 pens
[19:36:42] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I bet >10% of the US believes that it could be real
[23:34:14] <pink_vampire|2> hi
[23:34:54] <[cube]> sup pink
