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[02:27:37] <Deejay> moin
[02:29:56] <pfred1> hey
[03:07:47] <nikre> what should i assign z height probe pin to? not z-min-switch right? or does this matter?
[03:09:13] <archivist> choices
[05:28:05] <jthornton> morning
[05:30:42] <XXCoder> hey
[05:30:54] <XXCoder> hmm where do i get m6 thread leveling feet?
[05:31:04] <archivist> make them
[05:31:06] <jthornton> mcmaster
[05:31:29] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/uxcell%C2%AE-Thread-Leveller-Leveling-Furniture/dp/B00H8VF49Q
[05:31:40] <XXCoder> perfect
[05:31:52] <XXCoder> I have 2020 legs I can tap and add that
[05:41:09] <XXCoder> I'm about to tap parts
[05:41:17] <XXCoder> any suggestion on how to start and all?
[05:44:37] <archivist> use tapping lubricant/grease
[05:45:29] <XXCoder> dont have any though its soft alum so seem to work fine anyway
[05:46:17] <archivist> aluminium is worst without the lubricant, it sticks to the tap
[05:46:40] <XXCoder> yeah? I was doing 1/5 turns and back up few times, get out clean it, repeat
[05:47:30] <XXCoder> I wonder if can make shredder out of one of harder alum alloys
[05:47:39] <XXCoder> shred pla or abs plastic
[06:01:50] <nikre> i have set the switch/probe position for z axis to 1.1mm and after touching the switch, i want the z axis park at 30mm up the 0 point. what is the variable to change for this?
[06:02:18] <nikre> currently after touching the switch, z axis moves to 0 position.
[06:02:59] <nikre> oh nvm
[06:06:42] <MacGalempsy> hola
[06:07:18] <XXCoder> aloha
[06:08:06] <MacGalempsy> it was so hot yesterday...
[06:08:19] <XXCoder> yeah?
[06:08:21] <MacGalempsy> l
[06:09:01] <XXCoder> so it was so hot it went l
[06:09:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah. trying to finish up the cleaning, but losing the workbench
[06:09:53] <MacGalempsy> leaves a lot of crap for boxes. 5 min and sweat everywhere
[06:10:12] <MacGalempsy> 90% humid and 90deg...
[06:51:09] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:356580 lol
[06:54:17] <archivist> make that in steel to shred plastic, HSS if the plastic has impurities
[06:55:13] <archivist> I bet that spastic thing fails on a reasonable bone or spoon
[06:55:23] <XXCoder> likely
[06:55:38] <XXCoder> pla is pretty strong and that is probably solid 100%
[06:55:48] <XXCoder> I wonder if it can shred less fill pla lol
[07:01:16] <XXCoder> guy who made it says it can hold up to 75 Nm
[07:03:12] <archivist> that type of thing is shearing the material, the edges take a lot of wear
[07:05:35] <XXCoder> yeah. for comprately weaker material it should be fine though
[07:05:42] <XXCoder> food do not tend to be strong
[07:06:01] <XXCoder> if youre eating stuff that can break that shredder you may be overcooking em ;)
[07:07:15] <archivist> steak on the bone thrown in
[07:07:48] <XXCoder> yeah I would remove that bone
[07:10:58] <XXCoder> btw
https://www.thingiverse.com/make:253736
[07:11:05] <XXCoder> thats what I recently made
[07:11:12] <XXCoder> it took hoursn to print lol
[07:11:16] <XXCoder> 11 total
[07:50:46] <XXCoder> check this out archivist
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:20884
[07:51:00] <XXCoder> I wonder if can make nema23 version lol though I bet ya it has hell of backlash
[07:54:30] <archivist> make a real one not a spastic one
[07:54:47] <XXCoder> yeah I figured it would be crap lol
[07:56:41] <archivist> I made a real with a difference, the outer is a barrel to lift a weight and act as a drive, an output shaft and a winding up input
[08:12:38] <SpeedEvil> archivist: It is a sad commentary when the statement 'probably better if you make it out of lego' may actually be true
[08:13:08] <XXCoder> I made some stuff out of lego before heh
[08:13:13] <XXCoder> like clockworks
[08:13:21] <XXCoder> sadly never went behind 3 hours
[08:13:32] <XXCoder> eric managed just over 24 hours
[08:13:52] <XXCoder> pure lego, more or less. weights and string not lego
[08:15:32] <XXCoder> http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
[08:15:34] <XXCoder> if curious
[08:15:50] <XXCoder> quite old now, 2003. I wonder where it is if still working
[08:29:50] <archivist> real clockwork and the barrel with that barrel
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_07_15_Webb_Clock/P1010006.JPG
[08:33:39] <Loetmichel_> soo, prototype starting to take form.. now waiting for the TFT and electronics to mount in there... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16420&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:37:25] <_methods> looks good
[12:24:31] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:25:27] <IchGucksLive> Question has psha loger finished work
[12:25:40] <IchGucksLive> where is the curent channel log
[12:29:02] <archivist> zlog
[12:29:10] <archivist> bookmark
[12:29:10] <the_wench> yet another log is at
http://emclog.archivist.info/
[12:29:56] <IchGucksLive> thanks
[12:30:16] <IchGucksLive> the last one is quite eye beeming
[12:30:44] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel_: bist du da ?
[12:45:04] <asdfasd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKyOF-nf_w
[12:45:26] <asdfasd> can I install linux cnc here?
[12:45:57] <archivist> in irc or in youtube ?
[12:46:13] <asdfasd> on this lathe haha
[12:47:01] <Erant> I've heard of a toaster running Linux, but a lathe?
[12:48:44] <IchGucksLive> asdfasd: for lathe are now cool feturers out
[12:48:49] <archivist> piss awful camera work
[12:51:31] <IchGucksLive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Ju0MzBIbk
[12:52:50] <IchGucksLive> plasma in bathroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFo3wQsOMI
[13:02:43] <kyle____> one time i installed linux on my toilet brush
[13:05:31] <IchGucksLive> kyle____: that woudt be cool
[13:05:47] <IchGucksLive> today i saw a 1TB Mini SD card
[13:06:05] <kyle____> damn
[13:06:15] <kyle____> hate to see how much that'd cost
[13:06:42] <kyle____> walgreens had 16gb micro sds on sale for $4 one time so i bought enough for all of my rpi0s
[13:07:11] <kyle____> when I was little I had a 60gb PATA HDD and that was a big deal (yeah I'm young)
[13:08:11] <miss0r> you must be :)
[13:08:37] <miss0r> i'm 'young' too, but the first harddrive I bought with my own money was a 500mb pata. set me back a fortune
[13:08:59] <archivist> some of us started typing out programs in, then we moved to tape drives
[13:09:14] <miss0r> and my friends were like 'what are you ever going to use all that space for?' and i said: 'I know I will never own enough data to fill it up, but atleast i will never have to worrie about storage again' :)
[13:14:01] <pcw_home> archivist: I remember toggling in a Sieve of Erastosthenes into a PDP8S...
[13:15:41] <tonydiethelm> Howdy. I have a question. :D
[13:17:16] <tonydiethelm> I am trying to do some parametrized G Code. The documentation says linuxCNC supports something like #3 = #3 + 1... but it's giving me a "bad character '+' when I try to load my g code.
[13:17:51] <skunkworks> #3 = [#3+1]
[13:18:48] <tonydiethelm> Let me give that a try. :D
[13:19:52] <tonydiethelm> Saweet! that did the trick. Thanks!
[13:19:59] <skunkworks> :)
[13:20:16] <skunkworks> some examples
[13:20:17] <skunkworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Oword
[13:20:31] <tonydiethelm> Cool. Thank you very much. Off to edit! :D
[13:20:36] <tonydiethelm> ciao!
[13:28:44] <Tom_itx> not a full log today... lost power
[13:50:07] <miss0r> Tom_itx just the usual racial slur and some puns about mac users.. you didn't miss much
[13:51:41] <IchGucksLive> im off
[13:53:31] <Erant> Who knew figuring out carbide inserts was so damned complicated.
[13:55:04] <miss0r> Cutting the first of 6 internal support frames for the subwoofer case:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7U3JkMzh4cG4ySms
[14:28:12] <miss0r> damnit ! I somehow miscalculated... my part is 15mm short on one side :s
[14:33:39] <CaptHindsight> are you sure it didn't shrink?
[14:36:54] <andypugh> Could be a temperature effect, how many miles long is it?
[14:39:39] <cradek> yes when flycutting those railroad tracks be sure to keep them cool
[14:40:23] <andypugh> Or. at least no warmer than the digital caliper
[14:40:28] <Erant> miss0r: Measure twice, cut once, buy two of everything.
[14:40:52] <kyle____> you should use wooden calipers while measuring wood so you don't have unrealistic expectations!
[14:40:56] <miss0r> yeah yeah... I did a bad cad... No idea how
[14:41:09] <kyle____> isn't this what cad is supposed to prevent? ;)
[14:41:12] <Erant> We've all been there.
[14:41:29] <Erant> Or at least, I have. :)
[14:41:32] <miss0r> I didn't check the 'idiot proof' option while installing. so its on me
[14:41:36] <andypugh> I have found that it is ften good to make 3 of things that have a lot of steps, then you can use the one where all the steps went well, rather than the one-of-one that is just about good enough despite the mistakes.
[14:41:40] <CaptHindsight> if you cut a rod 15mm short, which side is too short? The cut side or the opposite side from the cut?
[14:42:09] <miss0r> i'm more of a 7.5 mm short in each end-kind of guy
[14:42:10] <CaptHindsight> you have 5 minutes and show your work
[14:42:18] <andypugh> They did measure India with a long stick.
[14:42:29] <andypugh> A temperature-compensated stick.
[14:42:54] <miss0r> "it seems too short, we need to dip in in water"
[14:43:02] <kyle____> if you measure either side your error was only half as much
[14:43:26] <andypugh> It was done by a chap called Everest, you might have heard of him? He was the first person to know where he was and how high from the sea he was to be able to measure the height of the tallest mountain.
[14:44:03] <CaptHindsight> so he invented GPS
[14:44:05] <kyle____> i thought he climbed up to the top and just threw a tape measure over the side
[14:44:12] <miss0r> andypugh i'm not impressed. the guy was off by several feet
[14:44:23] <kyle____> wasn't that intentional?
[14:44:30] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Trigonometrical_Survey
[14:44:33] <kyle____> because he thought no one would believe him that it was a round number
[14:44:52] <miss0r> yeah, i've heard that story too. not sure what to make of it thou
[14:45:41] <CaptHindsight> did he use feet or meters?
[14:46:00] <miss0r> meters for measuering, feet for climbing the mountain
[14:46:03] <_methods> i cut it twice and it's still too short
[14:46:11] <kyle____> feet and hands surely
[14:46:13] <andypugh> I am surprised, it is absolutely tipping it down here in Turkey. Thiunder, lighning, the works.
[14:46:30] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I hear that 3 times is a charm :)
[14:46:31] <miss0r> thoes are artillery and gunfire
[14:46:35] <miss0r> run'n hide
[14:46:37] <_methods> hehe
[14:46:40] <kyle____> man, the fact that china and nepal argued about the height for 5 years says a lot about humanity
[14:46:56] <kyle____> nepal wanted to measure it by the snow height, china wanted to measure it by the rock height...
[14:47:24] <kyle____> at least they didn't go to war over it?
[14:47:28] <CaptHindsight> China uses all their own versions of feet, meters, watts etc
[14:50:09] <miss0r> but they realy took in the CE testing system... they translate it to Chinese Export, thou...
[14:50:55] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any coups or revolutions while down there?
[14:51:42] <andypugh> Disappointingky few coups.
[14:52:56] <andypugh> I would get a nice safe view of action around Istanbul from here.
[14:53:46] <Erant> andypugh: So. Many. Fucking. Inserts.
[14:54:12] <andypugh> Eh? You blaming me?
[14:54:16] <Erant> andypugh: Also, why are you on IRC if you're in Turkey.
[14:54:27] <Erant> No, just an observation.
[14:54:55] <andypugh> I don’t have much else to do, it’s 22:26 and pouring with rain
[14:55:17] <Erant> Sounds like an excellent time for a book and a scotch.
[14:56:14] <andypugh> So I am sat in the hotel bar up on the roof with my laptop with a panoramic view of the sea or Marmara and the rain thrashing on the roof. Life could be an awful lot worse.
[15:01:47] <andypugh> Great trivia quiz question from the Everest Wikipedia page: Which point on the earth’s surface is furthest from the centre of the earth?
[15:02:15] <cradek> what's "the center of the earth" mean?
[15:03:20] <LeelooMinai> It can mean many things, depending how you define it
[15:04:34] <andypugh> I would imagine that it was easy enough to determine. It is the point around which the moon orbits.
[15:05:18] <andypugh> You might have to temporarily move at least the sun out of the way to measure this accurately.
[15:05:19] <Erant> andypugh: I'll assume it's somewhere on the equator.
[15:05:23] <cradek> so that's something like the center of mass
[15:05:45] <Erant> The earth being a bit... squished.
[15:06:28] <cradek> THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
[15:06:49] <Erant> Who ever said answers had to be meaningful
[15:06:51] <andypugh> Apparently the top of Chimborazo is 2000m further from the centre of mass of the earth than is Everest
[15:07:10] <andypugh> So it’s not a subtle difference
[15:07:47] <Erant> Yeah, it's because of the 'equatorial bulge'
[15:07:54] <Erant> 'cuz the earth's squishy.
[15:16:27] <CaptHindsight> if water expands when it freezes why isn't the North Pole farther from the earths center of mass?
[15:16:28] <andypugh> I wonder whether a barometer would measure lower at the top of Everest or the top of Chimborazo?
[15:17:51] <cradek> if the weather was still everywhere, I think the atmosphere would center on the center of mass of the planet
[15:17:53] <andypugh> The ice at the pole isn’t all that thick you know. Submarines have passed over the pole under the ice
[15:18:51] <andypugh> cradek: Yes, it ought to, bt does the spin also centrifuge out the atmoshphere?
[15:19:06] <DaViruz> any reason it would not?
[15:19:11] <andypugh> And if it does, does that actually increase the pressure?
[15:19:32] <miss0r> luckily the new parts fits like a charm
[15:19:40] <CaptHindsight> so air is heavier at the equator?
[15:20:13] <miss0r> the oposite?
[15:20:30] <miss0r> lighter. centrifugal forces in work
[15:20:32] <DaViruz> i would assume lighter.
[15:20:33] <andypugh> My favourite ever exam question “estimate how many molecules are in the earth’s atmosphere”
[15:21:43] <CaptHindsight> I left the :) off my last 2 questions
[15:21:52] <andypugh> (surface barometric pressure is a good starting point)
[15:22:06] <DaViruz> very simple things can turn very complicated very quickly
[15:22:12] <miss0r> andypugh There can be only one that is my favorite:
http://bash.org/?301963
[15:22:12] <DaViruz> feynmans sprinkler comes to mind
[15:22:30] <CaptHindsight> did he get a cat wet?
[15:22:47] <andypugh> I vaguely recall that one.
[15:23:02] <miss0r> cracked me up :)
[15:25:31] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_sprinkler
[15:58:11] <MacGalempsy> finally back on the big machine
[15:58:48] <MacGalempsy> been on the phone all day calculating power conversion for a 30T injection machine
[15:59:15] <MacGalempsy> $4.5k to transform single phase 240v to 3 phase 208v
[16:03:54] <JT-Shop> yikes what is the amp draw?
[16:04:06] <MacGalempsy> 41
[16:04:56] <MacGalempsy> 50hp rotory phase converter = $3300, 15KVA transformer = $600, plus wire
[16:05:56] <JT-Shop> 50hp sounds a bit big
[16:06:05] <JT-Shop> what hp is the press?
[16:06:50] <MacGalempsy> so the motor side is 26.5A and the heater side is 14.5A
[16:07:19] <MacGalempsy> he estimated 20HP to run the motor side and 25HP on the heater side
[16:07:45] <JT-Shop> the heater side won't run on single phase?
[16:08:47] <MacGalempsy> maybe if the bands were retrofitted
[16:08:47] <JT-Shop> in any case a 20hp will put ouf 54 amps
[16:08:47] <JT-Shop> http://www.northamericaphaseconverters.com/shop/category/pro-line-rotary-phase-converters/
[16:08:59] <JT-Shop> I just bought the rpc motor and wired up the panel they are simple
[16:09:05] <MacGalempsy> that is what I thought, but when calling them they speced 45
[16:10:48] <miss0r> kyle____ You around?
[16:10:48] <kyle____> ye
[16:10:48] <JT-Shop> because of the resistive load?
[16:10:48] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[16:10:48] <miss0r> i've done some massive progress with the woofer box tonight. Want to see some pictures in 15 minuts?
[16:10:48] <MacGalempsy> three times for resistive loads
[16:10:48] <JT-Shop> ouch, I'll look at converting the resistive side to single phase
[16:10:48] <MacGalempsy> i didnt buy the injection machine yet
[16:10:48] <kyle____> sure miss0r
[16:10:48] <JT-Shop> lol be cheaper to get 3-phase to your house I'd bet
[16:10:48] <miss0r> not too many in here sees the charm in wood working :)
[16:10:48] <MacGalempsy> however, even better news than all the progress made is that I was told to send a resume today because the company is rigging up!
[16:10:50] <JT-Shop> or rent a building in a industrial part
[16:10:52] <JT-Shop> park
[16:11:09] <MacGalempsy> idk about getting 3ph to the house. rent is what I thought, my wife said how about a generator
[16:11:30] <MacGalempsy> 4k for a diesel gen
[16:11:38] <sync> I'd get 3ph wired in
[16:11:39] <JT-Shop> I found a used 3-phase generator for $1500
[16:11:47] <MacGalempsy> 20kew
[16:11:48] <JT-Shop> 3cyl diesel
[16:11:49] <MacGalempsy> 20kw
[16:12:09] <miss0r> thats pretty cheap. how many hours have it run?
[16:18:36] <XXCoder> I got couple barrels of explosive chemicals, wanna em?
[16:18:47] <miss0r> that sounds fun... :)
[16:18:52] <XXCoder> lol
[16:19:13] <miss0r> i'll take'em off yer' hands if you take care of the customs
[16:19:50] <XXCoder> lol sorry
[16:19:54] <XXCoder> pickup only ;)
[16:20:26] <miss0r> well, you're not fun
[16:20:42] <XXCoder> sorry heh
[16:27:13] <MacGalempsy_> The generator that looks cool is the MEP-801B. They are quite for battlefield operations
[16:30:09] <miss0r> I guess this still goes for the US. Getting army material is usualy a guarantee for quality. it used to be this way in Denmark as well. now i'm not so sure
[16:30:50] <MacGalempsy_> they get the best stuff, and treat it like a red headed stepchild
[16:31:19] <miss0r> sounds like the army :)
[16:36:05] <JT-Shop> dang it a half starved cat showed up today... now it's following me around like a puppy
[16:37:23] <MacGalempsy_> your new bff
[16:37:31] <MacGalempsy_> could keep down the rat population
[16:37:58] <JT-Shop> I'm thinking he will keep the chipmunk off the deck lol
[16:38:08] <JT-Shop> or have it for lunch
[16:39:11] <Deejay> gn8
[16:40:22] <miss0r> kyle____ The last support beam is being milled out as i write this.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7SXlTcUlCQWhWUU0
[16:44:26] <miss0r> XXCoder: you might find the above link good looking as well ;) first cnc wood router project
[16:50:05] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: what color cat?
[16:51:56] <FAalbers> Hello
[16:52:50] <kyle____> very nice miss0r
[16:53:02] <kyle____> pretty professional looking!
[16:53:08] <miss0r> thank you. I think so too
[16:53:23] <miss0r> if only I could do this fast enough, I might be able to turn a coin.. (but I realy can't)
[16:54:03] <FAalbers> I have questions about cutting Carbon Fiber plates on a CNC router. I have a variable spindle to max 11,000 rpm. What kind of bit shoild I use ? What feed and plunge speed ? What depth per layer ?
[16:54:10] <FAalbers> Thank you in advance
[16:54:58] <FAalbers> And how do I figure all that out for outher type of materials ?
[16:55:45] <miss0r> with all thoes questions, I would look into getting g-code wizard.
[16:55:48] <kyle____> machining CF sounds pretty scary
[16:55:55] <kyle____> it's not quite like metal
[16:56:19] <sync> you will also want to machine it under water
[16:56:21] <miss0r> YOu better have some breathing protection & ventilation system to get rid of all the small particles ;)
[16:56:34] <Erant> FAalbers: I use fswizard, usually.
[16:56:39] <FAalbers> g-code wizard <-- is software ?
[16:56:42] <miss0r> yep
[16:56:46] <FAalbers> OK
[16:56:49] <Erant> http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard
[16:57:11] <FAalbers> Oh ! Really nice !
[16:57:36] <Erant> Not entirely sure if it has carbon fiber though
[16:57:43] <FAalbers> I'm a newby in CAM world , hence all the questions :)
[16:57:53] <kyle____> fiberglass might be comparable but be careful
[16:57:56] <Erant> Fiberglass might be...
[16:57:58] <Erant> What he said
[16:58:01] <miss0r> FAalbers Please take your precautions machining that
[16:58:11] <kyle____> iirc cf is a lot more abrasive
[16:58:24] <kyle____> you're going to have heat issues for sure
[16:58:54] <miss0r> just do as sync said; machine it under water :)
[16:59:19] <kyle____> i suddenly understand why the F-35 is so expensive
[16:59:22] <FAalbers> What type of bit would that be for CF ... Carbide ?
[16:59:51] <Erant> FAalbers: Nah, you should be fine with HSS.
[16:59:57] <FAalbers> Yes , I'm first going to box in my CNC and add a vacuum nozzle to the spindle
[17:00:15] <kyle____> the professionals use carbide for roughing and diamond coated for finishing
[17:00:38] <FAalbers> OK Erant
[17:01:02] <Erant> Probably 2 flute.
[17:01:02] <kyle____> "Ingersoll also has developed what it calls a “pressure foot,” an enclosure around the spindle and tool that presses against and stabilizes the composite structure and then extends the drilling tool a preset distance."
[17:01:08] <kyle____> didn't i mention this
[17:01:44] <FAalbers> kyle____, I heard immersing it in water is also a god methode
[17:01:49] <FAalbers> good
[17:01:56] <FAalbers> For dust clearance
[17:02:07] <miss0r> and cooling
[17:02:22] <kyle____> yeah
[17:02:33] <kyle____> and if you're doing that you definitely want to box it in and seal where you need to
[17:02:43] <miss0r> FAalbers What machine are you doing this to? (the phrasing was intented)
[17:03:30] <miss0r> I seem to recall the particles from cf can eat up slideway seals
[17:04:13] <FAalbers> miss0r, This one ...
http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1JpJBIXXXXXagXFXXq6xXFXXX7/Free-Shipping-2013-Brand-New-230W-Engraving-Machine-CNC-3040T-DJ-110V220V-Router-CNC3040-Engraving-Machine.jpg
[17:04:21] <FAalbers> Sorry for the long link
[17:04:27] <Erant> Ah
[17:05:08] <FAalbers> I want to cut frames fro quadcopters (drones)
[17:05:11] <MacGalempsy> good old 3040
[17:05:13] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy:
https://ibin.co/2vlh5paTrJoS.jpg
[17:05:51] <miss0r> MacGalempsy heh you said 'good' :)
[17:06:13] <FAalbers> I just did my first project on it to learn the workflow. Made a birdhouse out of plywood for my daughter :)
[17:06:14] <miss0r> FAalbers just be carefull of the dust.
[17:06:31] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: that cat looks big enough to take care of itself.
[17:06:38] <FAalbers> miss0r, Yes, that is the top warning I have gotten :)
[17:07:03] <MacGalempsy> kind of used in the same way as good old days.
[17:07:38] <miss0r> not only for yourself. if you are planning to incase the router collectively, you might have issues with your linear rails. I would reccomend you build something that takes the dust right where the cutting happens
[17:08:02] <FAalbers> I made this for my daughter last week out of plywood. Turned out very good.
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/e949d097e21a7a1ceb2b7c15/w/8e115155c635e1cd6c8dc2aa/e/8039a6f7003e30b9ac296902
[17:08:28] <JT-Shop> this morning he was licking the bbq grill...
[17:08:37] <miss0r> looks nice
[17:08:47] <miss0r> very complicated :)
[17:08:54] <FAalbers> miss0r, Didn't think of that. Right at the source
[17:08:57] <MacGalempsy> hahahhaahaaa. its like hes waiting for you to start the grill
[17:09:02] <MacGalempsy> hes cleaning it for you
[17:09:27] <FAalbers> miss0r, Was not so hard to make
[17:09:34] <miss0r> FAalbers i'm building the subwoofer case at the moment:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7SXlTcUlCQWhWUU0
[17:10:16] <FAalbers> miss0r, Do you finnish manually the corners of the joints ?
[17:10:55] <miss0r> yeah. it only takes a few strokes with a good file
[17:11:13] <miss0r> its all cut with a 4mm flat endmill, so its not a huge radius to get
[17:11:44] <FAalbers> Yeah , I first was wondering , do I need a very thin bit ... off course forgetting about the simpelest of sollutions ! :)
[17:12:22] <FAalbers> I use 1/8 " = 5.08 mm
[17:12:56] <FAalbers> It's amazing how well it all its at the end ! :)
[17:13:53] <miss0r> what are we talking about here?
[17:13:55] <FAalbers> I have been doing Computer Graphics for the last 25 years. Finaly I'm getting into the tangible world ! :)
[17:14:22] <FAalbers> miss0r, Joints, CNC cur plywood plates ?
[17:14:23] <Erant> FAalbers: 1/8" is fine.
[17:14:37] <FAalbers> cur = cut
[17:14:43] <FAalbers> yeah
[17:15:05] <miss0r> yeah, they're cnc cut :) I could never pull off that build with a hacksaw :)
[17:15:13] <FAalbers> Thanks for all the help everyone ! Have to get back to work :)
[17:18:08] <JT-Shop> crap just fouled up my last fine tooth bandsaw blade
[17:34:51] <tommylight> Anyone ???
[17:35:08] <Tom_itx> you need to ask to get a reply
[17:35:34] <tommylight> Oh good, just checking for the time being, thank you
[17:35:57] <JT-Shop> qué
[17:36:11] <JT-Shop> venturing out from the forum I see
[17:36:32] <tommylight> Yup getting my feet wet here
[17:36:38] <JT-Shop> like Tom said you just ask your question here
[17:37:10] <JT-Shop> prob about a 50% signal to static ratio here lol
[17:37:21] <Tom_itx> that good?
[17:37:35] <tommylight> I am good for now, i just remebered that i have never been here so i gave it a try
[17:37:36] <JT-Shop> I'd think so for this venue
[17:37:57] <JT-Shop> you help a lot of folks on the forum
[17:38:06] <JT-Shop> I wish I could keep up lol
[17:39:27] <tommylight> I try, but to much stuff to do and not enough time
[17:39:44] <JT-Shop> I know that feeling real well
[17:40:26] <Tom_itx> less delay here, that's why i like it
[17:40:38] <tommylight> waisted 3 hours of my day today fixing my parents washing machine.
[17:41:10] <Tom_itx> bearings?
[17:41:23] <tommylight> Does Andy venture here? he just got over 10000 posts on the forum
[17:41:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:41:32] <Tom_itx> he's in eu though
[17:41:48] <tommylight> not bearings, just a loose contact on the motor
[17:42:26] <tommylight> EU like european union?? Not anymore
[17:42:46] <tommylight> He's from GB i think
[17:42:51] <Tom_itx> although he may be in Turkey right now
[17:42:53] <tommylight> they bolted out
[17:42:58] <JT-Shop> he's in Turkey at the moment
[17:43:10] <JT-Shop> well I'm too slow
[17:43:17] <tommylight> helping Erdogan???? :)
[17:43:19] <Tom_itx> happens to the best of us :D
[17:43:46] <tommylight> I am in Kosovo, eastern europe
[17:43:58] <tommylight> i was in Turkey a long time ago
[17:44:03] <Tom_itx> what cnc's do you have?
[17:44:56] <tommylight> now? i have to ready for pictures in stone or granite or glass or any hard surface
[17:45:20] <tommylight> i dismanteled my plasma cutter yesterday
[17:45:29] <tommylight> am building a small mill
[17:45:52] <tommylight> and 2 more of those small picture thingies
[17:47:08] <tommylight> since i see a lot of brain powere here, how hard would it be to make axis open a picture file and display it behing the gcode portion
[17:50:23] <JT-Shop> above my pay grade for sure
[17:50:58] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what would be accomplished there
[17:50:58] <miss0r> All glued up. waiting till tomorrow, fingers crossed:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7UjlKRzVqU3VVMWs
[17:51:51] <Tom_itx> is that all inside support for it?
[17:52:00] <miss0r> yeah
[17:52:05] <Tom_itx> why?
[17:52:10] <miss0r> I went over the line?
[17:52:21] <Tom_itx> it's your design :)
[17:52:45] <miss0r> two reasons: 1: I only used 15mm plywood for a 3kw rms 18" woofer. 2: because I can :)
[17:52:51] <Tom_itx> i probably wouldn't want the air disturbed behind it
[17:53:16] <Tom_itx> are you gonna add pvc pipe or such for the port?
[17:53:26] <miss0r> yeah. That boggled my mind... but im hoping for the best with all the disruption
[17:53:33] <miss0r> i'm*
[17:53:50] <miss0r> yeah. well, some pipe thats made for the application.
[17:53:59] <miss0r> internal diameter of 110mm
[17:54:09] <Tom_itx> i did a 10" once that ended up sounding better than alot of dual 12 or 15" for mobile purposes
[17:54:39] <miss0r> I actualy once owned a 8" MTX woofer. that thing put alot of people with 15" to shame :)
[17:54:42] <Tom_itx> did you calculate the air chamber area?
[17:54:51] <Tom_itx> mine was boston pro series
[17:54:55] <miss0r> yeah. its all calculated up.
[17:55:06] <Tom_itx> and that was a long time ago
[17:55:07] <miss0r> its actualy for my home cinema :)
[17:55:59] <miss0r> its adding a 4th dimention to the movie.. when I watch a submarine movie where deep sea charges goes off, I also want sparks flying out my MY electrical installations, for added credability. This will handle that, I hope :)
[17:56:42] <miss0r> I still have 3 18" units laying around, from back in the day when I did DJing
[17:57:00] <MacGalempsy> that box is for a 18"?
[17:57:09] <MacGalempsy> or 15?
[17:57:17] <miss0r> 18"
[17:57:51] <MacGalempsy> what is the advantage of the cuts? or is it purely ornamental?
[17:58:08] <tommylight> Structural rigidity
[17:58:15] <miss0r> with todays glue, i'm gonna go ahead and say ornamental
[17:58:16] <tommylight> nice box
[17:58:24] <MacGalempsy> it is nice crafstmanship
[17:58:44] <miss0r> thanks. that compliment would mean more if it wasn't cut with a CNC :)
[17:58:45] <JT-Shop> nice miss0r
[17:59:13] <tommylight> although plywood not the best material for sound boxes
[17:59:19] <JT-Shop> even with a CNC it still takes brains to make it work
[18:00:12] <miss0r> tommylight: yeah, but its a bit rough on the endmills. I did all these cuts with the same 4mm carbide endmill(4-flute). done at 2500mm/min at 27k rpm.
[18:00:21] <miss0r> JT-Shop: nah, thats what my CAD is for :)
[18:00:59] <tommylight> miss0r, i am fully aware, did a lot of boxes earlier in my life
[18:01:11] <tommylight> still looks awesome
[18:02:05] <miss0r> tommylight that is one reason, the other is: the finger joints in the conors, will be rounded off with a nice large radius. probally 10-15mm with a manual router. it will give it some nice play with the layers in there. only planning to give it some wood protection, perhaps tainted.
[18:02:57] <tommylight> nice
[18:03:15] <miss0r> tommylight i'm hoping that the plywood will do, with all the support in there.
[18:03:44] <tommylight> i am getting old, all i have now is a YAMO active sub and some satelites in the shop
[18:03:49] <tommylight> yes it will
[18:04:46] <miss0r> one thing I regret already, is not milling 4 slots on the front plate, for the supports to set into, now that they are milled 5mm into all the sides
[18:05:30] <miss0r> thats one thing for consideration when i'll build the rest of the units boxes for some friends
[18:12:00] <Tom_itx> dammit! that's twice today the power went out
[18:12:51] <JT-Shop> having power issues?
[18:13:01] <Tom_itx> more than usual
[18:13:04] <tommylight> tom, been throught that a lot, lately not so much
[18:13:06] <Tom_itx> and it's a clear day
[18:13:36] <MacGalempsy> grandparents bought a new lcd saturday AM and a lightning storm killed it Sat night
[18:13:51] <MacGalempsy> luckily walmart exchanged it
[18:14:01] <JT-Shop> need better grounding
[18:14:21] <Tom_itx> i had it follow the phone line once
[18:14:46] <JT-Shop> we used to get phones and faxes fried all the time till we discovered the ground rod was not there
[18:14:47] <Tom_itx> all surge protected but killed the first phone
[18:14:48] <MacGalempsy> thats what I told them, then they asked if I would change out the fuse panel!
[18:14:56] <MacGalempsy> so now I just play dumb
[18:15:04] <tommylight> i am off for now, laters
[18:15:09] <JT-Shop> they still have fuses?
[18:15:10] <Tom_itx> i've got 2 ground rods
[18:15:23] <JT-Shop> I've got three and two are hooked up
[18:15:49] <Tom_itx> you have to hook em up?
[18:16:03] <JT-Shop> well after you drive them in the ground yes
[18:16:24] <Tom_itx> cup of water works great for that
[18:16:24] <JT-Shop> have not connected the new building up yet lol
[18:16:33] <MacGalempsy> lightning at oiur house is so bad, we ended up with a fuse panel with built in surge protector
[18:16:51] <Tom_itx> last month they swapped out our transformer
[18:16:58] <MacGalempsy> nice
[18:17:00] <Tom_itx> i dunno how local the issue was
[18:17:29] <MacGalempsy> we had a series of brown outs that I thought killed the AC, fortunately it just tripped the breaker
[18:18:12] <Tom_itx> does linux have a 'startup batch file' as such?
[18:18:22] <Tom_itx> i should put the bot in there
[18:18:35] <JT-Shop> you can have startup programs
[18:18:37] <Erant> init.d
[18:18:40] <Tom_itx> that pc always reboots on it's own but it kills the bot
[18:18:50] <Cromaglious_> my power is underground... haven't lost anything to lighting strikes here in 20 years... Morro Bay is still overhead wires... We've lost probably 5 TV there in the last 20 years
[18:18:59] <JT-Shop> the last stray cat I called Woody because he was living in the wood pile
[18:19:24] <JT-Shop> I guess the new stray cat will be called griller
[18:19:33] <Tom_itx> what does nohup do?
[18:19:56] <Tom_itx> that restarts it on interweb loss i think but not a power loss
[18:20:30] <Tom_itx> err keeps it running when the terminal closes... that's it.
[18:20:44] <Cromaglious_> hup == hang up signal nohup == ignore hangup
[18:20:46] <Tom_itx> i'm no linux guru
[18:21:20] <Tom_itx> is there a way to detect if a process is killed?
[18:21:30] <Cromaglious_> so where the controlling terminal closes it still runs on
[18:21:36] <Tom_itx> right
[18:21:50] <Cromaglious_> look for it's PID
[18:21:52] <JT-Shop> I just go to Menu > Preferences > Start Up Applications
[18:22:05] <Tom_itx> no menu on this thing
[18:22:09] <Tom_itx> old debian install
[18:22:12] <Tom_itx> headless
[18:22:20] <JT-Shop> ah terminal only
[18:23:08] <Tom_itx> i'd be afraid to update it
[18:23:15] <Cromaglious_> headless, best kind of linux computers do all the work with no audience
[18:23:40] <Tom_itx> i looked into putting it all on a router
[18:24:04] <Tom_itx> not sure all the webpages would fit though
[18:24:26] <JT-Shop> your web server?
[18:24:27] <Cromaglious_> before routers did all the masquerade and stuff... that's what I had linux computers doing... run 3 or 4 NICS and manage the connections to the outside world..
[18:25:04] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yes
[18:25:06] <Cromaglious_> hehe... most decent routers run linux... dd-wrt etc...
[18:25:16] <Tom_itx> right
[18:25:54] <Cromaglious_> now the routers are getting decent CPU's quad core or more they actually have some horse power now
[18:26:18] <kyle____> woo
[18:26:23] <kyle____> promotion within the month
[18:28:43] <Cromaglious_> kyle____, making enough to afford a house payment kind of promotion?
[18:29:03] <kyle____> hah, the best way to make that goal would be to take a pay CUT
[18:29:07] <kyle____> ... somewhere out of the bay area...
[18:30:06] <Cromaglious_> true...
[18:30:36] <kyle____> probably just going to stick to my overpriced 1br apartment and enjoy the looser budget
[18:30:55] <kyle____> moving across the bay or anything wouldn't really be a discount after factoring in a new car payment
[18:31:00] <Cromaglious_> I was appraising house in San Diego county for like $600K and the same house in Pittsburg KS would be $175K
[18:31:15] <kyle____> gah i miss missouri now
[18:31:23] <kyle____> if only i could make this kind of money back there
[18:32:51] <Cromaglious_> well the Marines have a payment center on the south side of KC... always put in there for an IT job
[18:33:59] <MacGalempsy_> Cromaglious_: the difference is Pittsburg KS sucks
[18:34:07] <Cromaglious_> as long as the job has a GS in front of the wage rate it'll be decent paying WS not so much
[18:34:22] <MacGalempsy_> whats $425K ?
[18:34:29] <Cromaglious_> MacGalempsy_, depends on the eye of the beholder...
[18:34:47] <MacGalempsy_> true. I live in NW Arkansas
[18:34:55] <Cromaglious_> though I'd probably live out towards Opolis near the MO line
[18:35:00] <kyle____> hm
[18:35:07] <MacGalempsy_> at least get near some hills
[18:35:18] <kyle____> i would agree that pittsburg ks sucks
[18:35:30] <kyle____> although my college best friend is there so that'd be fun
[18:36:00] <Cromaglious_> strip pits south easat of town are great for shooting and fishing
[18:36:32] <MacGalempsy_> Cromaglious_: so you are in KS?
[18:37:19] <Cromaglious_> I'm in southwest RIverside county just about San Diego County in the peoples republic of Kalifornication
[18:37:27] <Cromaglious_> s/about/above/
[18:37:50] <JT-Shop> damn that cat is skinny
[18:38:03] <Cromaglious_> First wife was from there
[18:38:22] <Cromaglious_> finally! RAIN!!!!! YEA!!!!!
[18:38:46] <Cromaglious_> rained a bit last night... finally getting some decent rain...
[18:38:57] <Cromaglious_> wooo and just heard a bit of thunder
[18:39:03] <Tom_itx> ask JT-Shop about rain..
[18:39:22] <Cromaglious_> this is our first rain in about 6 months
[18:40:06] <JT-Shop> it's not all it's cracked up to be... we have had rain for the last 6 months
[18:40:56] <Cromaglious_> damn it means I'm gonna have to mow in a couple of weeks
[18:41:13] <Cromaglious_> lawn was finally dead too
[18:41:47] <MacGalempsy_> lol. our lawn died, and I thought the last mow for the year was in. then a few days liater it rained
[18:46:28] <JT-Shop> I don't miss mowing the lawn twice a week in LaPlace LA
[18:46:48] <JT-Shop> well in the winter you only had to mow once a week
[18:46:56] * JT-Shop wanders inside
[18:48:06] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/recipes/chicken/ginger-chicken-thighs.html
[18:48:08] <JT-Shop> dinner
[18:51:29] <kyle____> rain!?!?!
[19:59:17] <Erant> kyle____: Where d'you work in the Bay?
[19:59:31] <kyle____> west side right in the middle
[19:59:46] <pfred1> you fished?
[20:00:10] <kyle____> well
[20:00:17] <Erant> I knew you were in the San Mateo area.
[20:00:32] <Erant> I work in Cupertino, fwiw.
[20:00:41] <kyle____> ah, pretty close
[20:00:45] <kyle____> heard of roblox?
[20:01:16] <pfred1> I've heard of Rob Lowe
[20:01:20] <Erant> I think my 11 year old brother in law plays it.
[20:01:28] <kyle____> ah cool, that's where i work
[20:01:44] <Erant> (Yes, there's an age gap there)
[20:01:47] <kyle____> stumbled upon it when i was 12 years old and never stopped playing
[20:01:54] <pfred1> wow I'm almost the same age, and height as Rob Lowe
[20:02:04] <Erant> pfred1: The man ages INSANELY well.
[20:02:11] <pfred1> I'm doing OK myself
[20:02:52] <pfred1> I'm not fat and bald like folks my age often are
[20:03:19] <Erant> He just looks like he drinks preservatives or something.
[20:03:47] <Erant> kyle____: And yes, buying in this area's a <redacted>
[20:04:16] <kyle____> terrible financial investment?
[20:04:21] <kyle____> ;)
[20:04:43] <Erant> Hah. It actually wasn't, not for me anyway.
[20:05:13] <kyle____> depends on when you bought
[20:05:39] <kyle____> a lot of my older coworkers are sitting on a million dollar asset they paid a few hundred thousand for back in the day
[20:05:52] <Erant> My mortgage is the same as rent would be.
[20:05:58] <kyle____> true true
[20:06:05] <pfred1> least you build equitity
[20:06:11] <kyle____> that's why i've considered it anyway
[20:06:18] <kyle____> but i don't really want to own property here
[20:07:38] <Erant> That's fair. I was happy to get a garage I can put tools in.
[20:07:52] <kyle____> very jealous
[20:08:04] <kyle____> i'll probably end up doing it anyway because roblox is too good to me
[20:08:13] <pfred1> I need a bigger workshop
[20:08:22] <kyle____> as much as i hate the traffic, the climate, the drivers, the prices... :P
[20:08:26] <Erant> pfred1: You always need a bigger workshop ;)
[20:08:46] <pfred1> Erant I swear another 10 feet and I'd be good
[20:08:57] <Erant> Uhhuh. And then another 10ft...
[20:09:12] <pfred1> nope i could do everything i wanted with another 200 sqft
[20:09:27] <Erant> Cool. I need like, 4 times what I have now.
[20:09:35] <pfred1> OK maybe another 400 sqft but that would give me a bay to work on vehicles in
[20:10:03] <Erant> kyle____: What's wrong with the climate?
[20:10:08] <pfred1> the sad thing is i could put up a huge out building here
[20:10:23] <kyle____> it's too dry
[20:10:23] <pfred1> as big as I wanted
[20:10:33] <kyle____> too boring
[20:10:40] <pfred1> I like boring
[20:10:49] <Erant> kyle____: Take a drive up north.
[20:10:53] <pfred1> it gives me peace to think
[20:11:07] <Erant> pfred1: My best thinking is done in the shower.
[20:11:08] <kyle____> gotta fix my car first
[20:11:31] <pfred1> I come up with a lot of ideas right before i fall asleep
[20:11:32] <Erant> kyle____: I hear there's people that will do that for you.
[20:11:45] <kyle____> not with the way i was raised
[20:11:48] <pfred1> lots of mechanics suck
[20:11:52] <kyle____> heh
[20:12:01] <kyle____> i can't stand the thought of paying someone to do what i can do myself
[20:12:02] <pfred1> they don't do things how i want them done
[20:12:11] <kyle____> even if it's probably a waste of my time
[20:12:45] <kyle____> to be fair, all i need is a new exhaust system
[20:12:54] <pfred1> i build killer exhaust systems
[20:13:03] <Erant> Fair enough. I burned out the clutch on my motorcycle a few months back
[20:13:08] <Erant> And I just didn't have time to do it myself
[20:13:11] <pfred1> you should see the one I built for a buddy of mine on his 69 Chevelle
[20:13:15] <kyle____> all things considered that's one of the easiest things to do a full replacement of
[20:13:27] <pfred1> a crossover H pipe cut outs headers the works
[20:13:32] <kyle____> nice
[20:13:39] <kyle____> wanna build one for mine?
[20:13:39] <pfred1> yeah it was awesome
[20:14:00] <pfred1> we scared the shit out of these motorcycle dudes i nthe Holland tunnel with it
[20:14:09] <pfred1> they were revving their bikes up
[20:14:14] <kyle____> it'd probably be the easiest one you've ever done, it's a little 4-cylinder ricer
[20:14:17] <pfred1> then we showed them what open headers on a V 8 was like
[20:14:38] <kyle____> sounds like a good time
[20:14:54] <pfred1> they had their tails between their legs afte that
[20:15:45] <kyle____> try that with a teen ricer driver
[20:15:58] <kyle____> they'll still insist their fartcan is better ;)
[20:16:22] <pfred1> that car ended up being pretty fast after I dumped an electronic ignition into it and rebuilt the carb
[20:16:43] <kyle____> oh i bet
[20:16:58] <pfred1> points erally suck
[20:17:06] <kyle____> oldschool ignition really holds back otherwise great engines
[20:17:40] <dioz> anyone in here weld galv iron sheet metal? tig?
[20:17:50] <pfred1> after i power timed it and we took it otu for a tst drive my buddy Scotto leaned over and over the roar he yelled, Twice the power!
[20:18:27] <pfred1> yeah dual points is just for people that want to waste their time
[20:18:31] <dioz> i heard that if you inhale zinc fumes you'll die
[20:18:34] <dioz> flat out die
[20:18:40] <dioz> wondering how true that is
[20:18:44] <pfred1> you'll never get it to run right
[20:19:16] <kyle____> you won't flat out die, but it's not going to be pleasant
[20:19:32] <pfred1> I built a hot ignition system for my hotrod
[20:19:37] <pfred1> all Mallory Hi-Fire
[20:19:56] <pfred1> car would shoot flames otu the tail pipe
[20:20:11] <pfred1> get that second burn
[20:20:31] <kyle____> i feel like my entire career has one goal, and that is to get me to early retirement so i can spend all my time building and tinkering
[20:20:38] <pfred1> I have a 460 lift 300 degree duration Crane cam in it so ...
[20:21:11] <kyle____> dioz,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever
[20:21:22] <pfred1> oh ignore that troll
[20:21:25] <dioz> that wiki says nothing about death
[20:21:37] <kyle____> lol
[20:21:43] <dioz> lol. pfred1 makes outlandish claims about things he knows nothing about
[20:21:47] <pfred1> he carries on about welding galvanized in here every day
[20:22:01] <kyle____> but why
[20:22:01] <dioz> within a 5 minute chat with him he contradicted himself 3 times last we chatted
[20:22:06] <dioz> so he ignored me
[20:22:15] <pfred1> go for it suck them fumes the world won't miss you
[20:22:53] <kyle____> you care too much about what someone on the internet says, dioz
[20:23:08] <pfred1> I got tired of doing exhaust work so when I built mine i made it all stainless steel
[20:23:20] <dioz> oh i don't "care" in the sense that once i close my laptop lid i'll continue to think about it
[20:23:21] <pfred1> Borla
[20:23:30] <dioz> but i just find people who lie chat weird
[20:23:39] <dioz> being a liar in person is different
[20:23:41] <dioz> but over chat?
[20:23:44] <dioz> c'mon.....
[20:23:47] <kyle____> i find people who come to chatrooms for information they can easily find on google weird
[20:24:04] <pfred1> sometimes you just don't know what to search for
[20:24:18] <kyle____> true
[20:24:26] <kyle____> in this case though... "zinc fumes" got me pretty far
[20:24:46] <pfred1> yeah good stuff I've given myself a touch of the fever
[20:24:46] <gregcnc> reeled another one in
[20:24:54] <pfred1> it ain't fun
[20:24:55] <dioz> ^ lol
[20:25:26] <pfred1> I haven't welded any galvanized since either
[20:26:08] <pfred1> becausei used to think, oh how bad can it really be? It's bad!
[20:26:33] <dioz> why are you inhaling the fumes off your weld anyways i wanna know
[20:26:54] <dioz> i bet y ou'd insulate without a mask too 'eh?
[20:27:05] <dioz> i bet you'd hydrogen sulphide without a mask too 'eh?
[20:27:14] <dioz> i bet you'd asbestos without a mask too 'eh?
[20:27:29] <kyle____> man, this place attracts some strange kinds of trolls
[20:28:00] <pfred1> is there any other kind?
[20:28:09] <Cromaglious_> hehe...
[20:28:55] <pfred1> I got my new fluorescent magnifying arm lamp online over here tonight
[20:29:01] <kyle____> well, in my line of work you get a vast amount of the really low effort kind
[20:29:08] <pfred1> I mounted it over the other part of my desk
[20:29:21] <Cromaglious_> man... I want to run the mill.... But I'm not changing my setup... not until my 1/4 bits gets here...
[20:29:31] <pfred1> the older i get the more i like my optics
[20:29:43] <dioz> obviously
[20:29:46] <dioz> cause your eyes are old
[20:29:49] <Cromaglious_> I'm blind with out optics anymore...
[20:29:57] <pfred1> I got some little 1/8th inch ball end mills
[20:30:07] <pfred1> Cromaglious_ ditto it hit me about 10 years ago
[20:30:08] <Erant> Cromaglious_: Remind me why you wanted a 1/4" end mill?
[20:30:25] <kyle____> i'm just waiting for my better than 20/10 vision to shit the bed
[20:30:28] <Cromaglious_> I have a about 90% ar15 lower
[20:30:42] <Erant> Yeah, I knew that. You were doing it with a 1/8" end mill.
[20:30:52] <pfred1> I was over a buddy of mine's drinking come beer and i said, They make the print on the necks of these bottles so small I can't read it
[20:31:01] <pfred1> some beer even
[20:31:02] <Cromaglious_> time for new glasses... arms are too long even with my bifocals
[20:31:08] <pfred1> he was like, You can't read that?
[20:31:22] <kyle____> according to my family history, i have about 20-25 years left
[20:31:27] <pfred1> that was when I realized my eyesight was going
[20:31:30] <dioz> more than likely pfred1 shouldn't be driving anymore
[20:31:42] <kyle____> good thing irc clients come with an ignore feature
[20:31:46] <dioz> geriatrics
[20:31:48] <pfred1> yeah i hope I don' go totally blind that would suck
[20:31:56] <dioz> gonna fall over and need a hip replaced soon
[20:32:03] <Cromaglious_> driving's fine... the cars are far enough away... it's reading the gas guage that's the hard part
[20:32:15] <pfred1> yeah that's it for me arm's length past that I'm OK
[20:32:36] <kyle____> you don't need great resolution for driving anyway
[20:32:44] <pfred1> I was scared renewing my license because they give an eye sxam in this state but looking through the machine it is like i have reading glasses on
[20:32:48] <kyle____> as long as you can read big-ass road signs and discern the shapes
[20:33:00] <Cromaglious_> my screen is 42" away from me... wireless keyboards are about required
[20:33:48] <Cromaglious_> dime on the ground I can tell whether or not it's tails.. in my hand with no glasses... no go...
[20:33:52] <pfred1> I'm just not as stupid today behind the wheel as i used to be that alone makes me a better driver
[20:34:09] * Cromaglious_ hi 5's pfred1
[20:34:10] <pfred1> I used to think public roads were race tracks
[20:34:18] <kyle____> only when empty
[20:34:23] <pfred1> not evne then
[20:34:32] <pfred1> slow and steady wins the race
[20:34:40] <kyle____> just make sure you crash on public property
[20:34:46] <Cromaglious_> wife and I finally figured out the speedo on the car at 70 is off by 7mph
[20:35:00] <pfred1> wrong tires?
[20:35:10] <kyle____> over or under?
[20:35:12] <Cromaglious_> old magnets
[20:35:15] <pfred1> ah
[20:35:21] <Cromaglious_> at 70 we're doing 63
[20:35:22] <pfred1> GPS tell you your speed
[20:35:33] <pfred1> they seem pretty accurate to me too
[20:35:43] <Cromaglious_> yeah... try finding a mpg gps app for a android phone!
[20:35:55] <pfred1> maybe someone should write one?
[20:35:55] <Cromaglious_> mph...
[20:35:58] <kyle____> if it was 77 instead i'd probably say, huh, wonder if everyone in the bay area has the same problem!
[20:36:44] <Cromaglious_> finally found a aero panel which read in knots... then I found I could change it to kph
[20:36:54] <gregcnc> I had a BMW that indicated 11 percent high.
[20:37:10] <pfred1> gregcnc made it feel a lot faster i bet
[20:37:17] <Erant> kyle____: The 80 in 280 means 80mph.
[20:37:18] <gregcnc> no, it felt slwo
[20:37:27] <kyle____> yeah, sure, Erant
[20:37:33] <kyle____> but what about the 35 on el camino real
[20:37:44] <Erant> (Likewise, the 01 in 101 indicates the average speed on that highway)
[20:37:45] <kyle____> that's 55 right? right?
[20:37:57] <kyle____> lol, 101 is so bad
[20:37:57] <gregcnc> wondering why you're reading 88-90 and getting passed
[20:38:21] <gregcnc> it probably kept the wife from getting speeding tickets though
[20:38:26] <kyle____> "hey they finally paved over 101 with a parking lot"
[20:38:27] <pfred1> george carlin has a funny skit about driving speeds
[20:38:36] <Cromaglious_> 113kph == 70mph
[20:38:55] <pfred1> everyone slower than you is an asshole and faster is crazy
[20:38:57] <kyle____> Erant, did you hear about caltrain last night?
[20:39:05] <Erant> kyle____: What now.
[20:39:07] <kyle____> i think it was last night anyway
[20:39:11] <kyle____> hit a truck
[20:39:11] <Erant> Who died
[20:39:16] <Erant> Knew it.
[20:39:20] <kyle____> and no one got home that night
[20:39:30] <Erant> Oh snap.
[20:40:34] <kyle____> i feel like the mere existence of caltrain in such an area just leads to a high number of vehicles hit by trains
[20:40:35] <pfred1> I had to go by where Tracy Morgan was in his accident the next day
[20:40:56] <kyle____> thanks walmart
[20:41:08] <pfred1> the NJTPK just sucks
[20:41:21] <pfred1> it always has
[20:41:23] <kyle____> does anyone know how to decode fedex tracking
[20:41:42] <pfred1> they just widened the road though
[20:41:44] <kyle____> surely "scheduled for delivery next business day" can't mean it's coming tomorrow instead of today
[20:41:56] <Cromaglious_> kyle____, nope never had too... just postnet and 3 of 9 upcs
[20:42:02] <pfred1> I've gotten stuff the same day I ordered it
[20:42:17] <kyle____> surely it can't take 3 days to take something across the hayward bridge
[20:42:23] <kyle____> i know the traffic's bad but not THAT bad
[20:42:34] <pfred1> stacking boxes is bad
[20:42:51] <kyle____> so what happened was
[20:43:16] <kyle____> i asked for it to be delivered to the fedex office down the street from me so i didn't have to wait for my apartment leasing office to be open
[20:43:36] <kyle____> so this morning it arrived at south san francisco, on track
[20:44:14] <kyle____> then it said, "hold at fedex location request accepted" and then "at local fedex facility, scheduled for delivery next business day"
[20:44:16] <kyle____> wtf guys...
[20:44:47] <pfred1> kyle____ down the street from you huh? This is what's down my street
http://i.imgur.com/VtlOd.jpg
[20:45:06] <pfred1> down there you'll find jack and shit
[20:45:56] <Cromaglious_> need to talk to the delivery manager.. Hellen Waite
[20:46:25] <kyle____> looks like home to me, pfred1
[20:46:33] <kyle____> unfortunately i'm stuck in this urban wasteland
[20:47:03] <pfred1> yeah i like it
[20:47:05] <kyle____> man, i just want my laser cutter
[20:47:06] <pfred1> peaceful
[20:47:16] <pfred1> I want my PSU and last motor drive
[20:47:17] <Cromaglious_> pfred1, nice... it's even PAVED!
[20:47:32] <pfred1> Cromaglious_ this state is so on top of the roads it is unreal
[20:47:46] <Cromaglious_> thinking tomorrow I might get around to putting in the MKS SBase into the laser
[20:47:51] <pfred1> they stoned my road this year
[20:48:04] <pfred1> just to keep it in top top shape
[20:48:09] <pfred1> tip top even
[20:48:20] <Cromaglious_> chip seal is not done enough in my town
[20:48:38] <pfred1> they even mow the sides of the roads here
[20:48:49] <pfred1> they go all over the state and mow along every road
[20:49:16] <pfred1> I mean they mow my front yard for me
[20:49:25] <Cromaglious_> asphalt is only a water proof durable covering on the structure of the road. If you let it get old and crack, you soon have no road... idiots haven't figured that out yet
[20:49:44] <pfred1> they're on top of the roads here
[20:49:51] <pfred1> when they turn gray they're on it
[20:50:03] <pfred1> we like our blacktop black
[20:50:50] <pfred1> we may have the smoothest roads in the country
[20:51:04] <Cromaglious_> black is ok for hotmix... chip seal grey is good too... as long as you can see some black where you're close
[20:52:06] <pfred1> although our drainage system was laid out in the 1600s
[20:52:22] <Cromaglious_> fun part is getting gravel small enough for the chip seal and not big enough to crater every window behind every truck
[20:52:55] <pfred1> yeah after they stoned the road it was really dusty for a while
[20:53:06] <pfred1> but it's OK now
[20:53:37] <Cromaglious_> washed gravel gets expensive
[20:53:53] <pfred1> well it just got washed with this rain
[20:54:04] <pfred1> some places picked up 6 inches
[20:54:13] <pfred1> I think we got maybe 4?
[20:54:41] <pfred1> tropical depression off the coast dumped on us
[20:55:43] <pfred1> this is too wet
http://i.imgur.com/QAx4MRV.jpg
[20:55:45] <MacGalempsy_> we get dumped on all the time
[20:56:02] <pfred1> in the middle that puddle is liek a foot deep
[20:57:21] <pfred1> but I called the county and in like an hour they were there cleaning out my drainage ditch
[20:57:50] <pfred1> I think they retrenched it all the way to the ocean?
[20:58:03] <pfred1> because it hasn't done that since
[20:59:07] <Cromaglious_> As of 2 p.m. Tuesday, National Weather Service forecasters said 0.02 inches of rain had been recorded in the last 24 hours at their French Valley Airport measuring location.
[20:59:18] <Cromaglious_> woooo hoooo 0.02" inches!
[20:59:19] <MacGalempsy> I didnt know CA allowed drainages to reach the ocean
[20:59:23] <MacGalempsy> lol
[20:59:30] <pfred1> I live on the east coast
[20:59:35] <Cromaglious_> more has fallen since then
[20:59:36] <MacGalempsy> the worst is when it rains a few times a week, which requires mowing 1-3 times a week
[21:00:10] <pfred1> I ain't mowing more than once a week I don't care how long it gets
[21:00:21] <Cromaglious_> yes we do it's for the little fishes in the puddles we call rivers
[21:00:53] <pfred1> I let my clearing go for months sometimes
[21:01:02] <Cromaglious_> san gabriel river has big ponds to allow the water to soak back into the aquafier
[21:01:33] <pfred1> california has to get on the stick with their water problems
[21:01:44] <pfred1> I mean put in some pipelines
[21:01:49] <MacGalempsy> its called killing off the local population
[21:01:56] <pfred1> I guess
[21:02:09] <MacGalempsy> letting the cool ones move
[21:02:10] <pfred1> what's going on out there just strikes me as unamerican
[21:02:32] <MacGalempsy> unamerican is allowing 120million people to be unemployed
[21:02:34] <pfred1> I seen how people have ot get water from fire stations
[21:02:55] <pfred1> they look like refugees
[21:03:16] <pfred1> fix that stuff
[21:03:48] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: the "job creators" didn't let that happen :)
[21:04:00] <MacGalempsy> too much hope and not enough action
[21:04:11] <pfred1> take them unemployed people and get them laying pipe
[21:04:58] <MacGalempsy> look at the highways. in other countries you have like 100 guys working on the road. here you get 5 fat asses on tractors and it takes 5 years to do a 1 year project
[21:05:12] <pfred1> not here
[21:05:13] <CaptHindsight> thats the plan stan
[21:05:24] <pfred1> well OK they screwed up that one bridge pretty badly
[21:05:43] <pfred1> but for the most part they do road work in a timely fashion
[21:06:06] <Cromaglious_> we're at the bottom of a aquafier... all the water that falls over a roughly a 60 mile by 120 miles area flows past my house about a 2 miles away
[21:06:34] <MacGalempsy> when I started grad school in 2005 they were just starting on I49 between arkansas and KC. they are still working on the same 10 mile stretch
[21:06:36] <pfred1> I seen a drought map I'm in the green
[21:07:23] <pfred1> MacGalempsy yeah but when it's finished it's going to be real nice
[21:07:33] <MacGalempsy> sure it whill
[21:07:35] <MacGalempsy> will
[21:07:48] <Cromaglious_> i49? going which way? down through joplin or through springfield?
[21:07:49] <pfred1> that's what's called a retirement job
[21:08:04] <pfred1> you get on it and retire before it's finished
[21:08:10] <MacGalempsy> split the middle. it was called i540 for a bit
[21:08:38] <Cromaglious_> ahhh down 71 through joplin
[21:08:46] <MacGalempsy> yeah old 71
[21:08:55] <MacGalempsy> not thru joplin tho
[21:11:15] <Cromaglious_> actually through Carthage
[21:11:51] <Cromaglious_> looks like it'll be i44 from mile mark 11 thru 18
[21:13:13] <MacGalempsy> it is suppose to go from KC to NOLA
[21:13:25] <MacGalempsy> they have some stretches complete through the ft smilth area
[21:13:34] <MacGalempsy> still have yet to cross the arkansas river
[21:13:47] <Cromaglious_> driven the 71 alot during the late '80's
[21:14:37] <Cromaglious_> mindenmines through harrisonville
[21:15:38] <Cromaglious_> one time I got up to 15 mph one night during an ice storm
[21:16:26] <Cromaglious_> top speed ever on 71 was around 85mph... el dorado springs to clinton... 130 or so
[21:16:46] <Cromaglious_> that wasn't 71... think that was highway 52
[21:16:48] <MacGalempsy> i got a few places that I hit 150
[21:16:56] <MacGalempsy> briefly
[21:17:05] <Cromaglious_> blew the head gasket at 130...
[21:17:19] <Cromaglious_> if I had a taller gear I could have done 150
[21:17:36] <MacGalempsy> i maxed out my nerves at 175
[21:17:45] <MacGalempsy> one day I will hit the magical 196
[21:18:13] <Cromaglious_> MacGalempsy, we'll have to build a bonneville car one day!
[21:19:16] <Cromaglious_> if a mini can do 170mph a 2L nissan can do 210
[21:19:45] <MacGalempsy> i'll just take the stock 911TT and be prepared for a thorough detail
[21:19:49] <pfred1> a buddy of mine's uncle built the quad olds
[21:20:54] <pfred1> it held the worlds record for most horsepower per cubic inch
[21:21:35] <Cromaglious_> hmmm liquid nitrogen for the intercooler should work
[21:21:46] <MacGalempsy> too hot. liquid helium
[21:21:55] <pfred1> he was just a genuis with flows
[21:21:59] <Cromaglious_> too high of pressure
[21:22:13] <pfred1> h did radical head work
[21:22:58] <pfred1> he had sheds in his backyard where he'd run engines til they blew up
[21:23:00] <MacGalempsy> anyone been watching the bloodhound build in the UK?
[21:23:22] <MacGalempsy> its got a RAF engine
[21:23:45] <MacGalempsy> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36676063
[21:23:54] <MacGalempsy> they are SLS printing a lot of the parts
[21:24:04] <pfred1> http://www.hotrod.com/articles/oldsmobile-quad-4-combining-parts/
[21:24:16] <MacGalempsy> using a renishaw SLS printer.
[21:24:52] <pfred1> I think he got 1,250 HP out of that engine?
[21:25:18] <MacGalempsy> how did it corner?
[21:25:21] <MacGalempsy> :P
[21:25:34] <pfred1> MacGalempsy they ran it on the salt flats
[21:25:47] <pfred1> so it wasn't really an issue
[21:26:12] <pfred1> it couldn't quite go 300 MPH
[21:26:16] <pfred1> almost though
[21:30:26] <pfred1> hmm i wonder if this page is about Jim's engine too?
https://history.gmheritagecenter.com/wiki/index.php/Oldsmobile_Aerotech
[21:30:39] <pfred1> they spelled his name wrong if it is
[21:32:02] <pfred1> built by Fuel Engineering of California, used twin turbos to produce an estimated 1000 horsepower.
[21:32:13] <pfred1> that's supposed to be Fueling Engineering I think?
[21:32:24] <pfred1> that's their last name Fueling
[21:32:40] <pfred1> I knew his nephew
