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[02:25:35] <Deejay> moin
[02:25:42] <XXCoder> yo
[02:25:51] <[cube]> g'day
[02:26:02] <Deejay> sirs
[02:26:22] <[cube]> finished my dog holes today w00t
[02:26:42] <XXCoder> woof!
[02:26:58] <Deejay> lt. worf?
[02:27:18] <[cube]> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d8/96/6b/d8966bb1a90551942f181b77a975974d.jpg
[02:27:41] <Deejay> :D
[02:29:21] <XXCoder> lol
[02:29:50] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/WSLwicK.jpg
[02:30:22] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/HOs2ho7.jpg
[02:30:42] <archivist> hardly room to swing a mouse in there
[02:30:58] <[cube]> 8x10 :P
[02:31:11] <[cube]> whoever says they have no room for a cnc doesnt want it bad enough
[02:31:53] <XXCoder> lol
[02:33:16] <archivist> just use more rooms indoors!
[02:33:29] <[cube]> ran out :P
[02:33:47] <archivist> 2 lathes and hobbing machine in the kitchen :)
[02:33:52] <[cube]> lmao
[02:34:00] <[cube]> yea that aint gonna fly here :P
[02:34:01] <XXCoder> lathe pototo!
[02:34:20] <archivist> I lied 3 lathes
[02:34:43] <[cube]> those taters aint gonna peel themselves
[02:35:05] <[cube]> curly fries anyone?
[02:35:08] <archivist> I dont do much cooking :)
[02:35:33] <archivist> toaster, microwave and grill
[02:36:04] <[cube]> if you just get rid of the toaster and grill, you could fit lathe #4
[02:36:32] <archivist> erm.... 3 in the garage
[02:37:07] <[cube]> o_O
[02:37:50] <archivist> best pics top two dragging a frame out
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=glass+trolley
[02:38:37] <Loetmichel> hmm, anyone knowing a (german) source for smaller width of the "fingers" "endless hinges" than the standard 15mm per flap? the ones i can buy at he hardware store are a bit wide for a shielding cover ... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16417&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (the slots will leak RF thru them)
[02:38:40] <[cube]> hah
[02:39:06] <archivist> since then added a CMM to contents
[02:39:30] <[cube]> why all the machines?
[02:39:33] <[cube]> fix and sell?
[02:39:57] <archivist> use then when I can
[02:40:01] <archivist> them
[02:40:13] <[cube]> ah cool
[02:40:38] <archivist> two lathes in the garage not restored for use yet
[02:41:07] <[cube]> ah okay
[02:41:07] <archivist> mill and other lathe I do when asked (after uncovering)
[02:41:28] <[cube]> last year had the pleasure of getting my lathe down a flight of stairs
[02:42:42] <Loetmichel> [cube]: nice if you have steel rails on the stairs and a big winch to lower the lathe slowly ;)
[02:43:00] <[cube]> lol not quite so advanced
[02:43:10] <[cube]> carpet stairs to basement
[02:43:24] <[cube]> drilled 2x4s into the stairs to make a track
[02:43:39] <[cube]> top of stairs drilled an eye bolt into the stud
[02:43:48] <[cube]> lowered it slowly with rope
[02:43:52] <[cube]> *still alive i think*
[02:44:06] <Loetmichel> i once used 4" wide steel U-beams as a track
[02:44:13] <Loetmichel> it was a 2 ton lathe tho
[02:44:22] <[cube]> ah yeah
[02:44:26] <[cube]> mint not quite so big
[02:44:30] <[cube]> *mine
[02:44:35] <XXCoder> minty lathe heh
[02:44:50] <[cube]> lil peppermint oil on the ways good as new lol
[02:45:04] <Loetmichel> and an 8 roll pulley
[02:45:14] <archivist> sounds a bit too safe an operation!
[02:45:55] <Loetmichel> problem was to get it around the cornder of the staircase at the bottom
[02:46:01] <[cube]> ^ yeah
[02:46:02] <[cube]> had same prob
[02:46:11] <[cube]> good old elbow grease
[02:46:28] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/5LCaE
[02:46:41] <Loetmichel> the cellar door was on the side of the steps, leaving a small 1*1m platform at the end... with the lathe a good 2m long...
[02:46:45] <Loetmichel> that was NOT fun
[02:47:01] <[cube]> lol
[02:47:20] <XXCoder> my machine I can lift with one hand lol
[02:47:28] <[cube]> moving a lathe in without demolishing part of your house is certainly an accomplishment
[02:48:00] <Loetmichel> [cube]: cute... an older version of that i carried alone out of the sellers cellar... and into my workshop...
[02:48:11] <[cube]> lol
[02:48:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11462&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[02:48:42] <Loetmichel> its only 78kg, so easy to carry alone ;)
[02:48:46] <[cube]> ah
[02:48:53] <[cube]> LIL smaller than mine ;)
[02:49:42] <archivist> my mill upstairs came home from work and went up in sections
[02:49:58] <[cube]> same here
[02:50:07] <[cube]> had to dismantle whoel thing, still struggled
[02:50:30] <gonzo_> I recall mine taking three of us to get just the bed out of the trailer. And that was done on rolers and building a platform of bricks for it to be rolled onto
[02:50:31] <[cube]> my lathe is Weight: 235.00 KGS
[02:50:45] <Loetmichel> it was funny to see the disbelief in the ( big as a grizzly) seller of said lathe tho when i grabbed it an lifted it off the workbench...
[02:50:46] <[cube]> was still able to manage with just 2 people
[02:50:52] <gonzo_> then we lifted and removed bricks till it was dowen to ground level
[02:50:54] <Loetmichel> had to urge him to open the doors... ;)
[02:51:00] <[cube]> ha
[02:51:05] <[cube]> your poor back
[02:51:26] <[cube]> now imagine that x3
[02:51:39] <Loetmichel> times three would be a bit much
[02:51:46] <archivist> concrete blocks for the cmm
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+pd
[02:51:51] <[cube]> i was able to lift one side of it
[02:51:53] <[cube]> for about 5 seconds
[02:52:15] <archivist> used a high lift jack
[02:52:19] <Loetmichel> 78kg is about the end of what i can carry around for any elongated time... my back started creaking just when i reached my car ;)
[02:53:01] <[cube]> yeah its a bit much
[02:53:02] <Loetmichel> i am only 180 cm tall and not THAT wide built.
[02:53:41] <[cube]> its more so the awkwardness of it
[02:53:44] <[cube]> not wanting to damage it
[02:53:54] <[cube]> dead weight doesnt help
[02:53:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16369&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- got quite a belly lately tho ;)
[02:54:22] <[cube]> ah, german
[02:54:24] <[cube]> that explains it
[02:54:34] <Loetmichel> why?
[02:55:10] <[cube]> all those preztels and dunkel = strapping german strength
[02:55:12] <archivist> beer
[02:55:12] <the_wench> I am not your waitress!
[02:55:19] <Deejay> haha
[02:55:32] <XXCoder> wow first time see that one speak lol
[02:55:51] <archivist> it mostly does logging
[02:55:56] <archivist> bookmark
[02:55:56] <the_wench> yet another log is at
http://emclog.archivist.info/
[02:55:56] <Loetmichel> i neither eat prezels (much) nor do i drink dunkel
[02:56:09] <Deejay> logging beer consumption
[02:56:18] <[cube]> i drink it when i can ;)
[02:56:20] <archivist> sausages?
[02:56:35] <XXCoder> I'll drink beer when im dead
[02:56:37] <[cube]> german bierhouse opened up near me recently
[02:56:40] <[cube]> so i like to indulge
[02:56:47] <[cube]> (in Ontario Canada)
[02:57:05] <Loetmichel> wife that cooks this for breakfast:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8220&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[02:57:07] <[cube]> was also just in munich/salzburg in january
[02:57:17] <Loetmichel> on a regulary basis ;)
[02:57:25] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: so when you send some? heh
[02:57:32] <[cube]> heh nice
[02:57:47] <[cube]> archivist could use some cooking tips i think
[02:58:09] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: dont understand
[02:58:23] <XXCoder> send some of that yummy food to me lol
[02:58:30] <Loetmichel> ah
[02:58:48] <Loetmichel> sorry, thats MY wife. will not lend that one out ;)
[02:58:53] <[cube]> XXCoder: step 1 get a wife
[02:58:54] <XXCoder> aw
[02:59:38] <[cube]> dont worry im a bachelor too and dont eat nearly as well as that ^
[03:00:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16250 <- questions?
[03:00:04] <Loetmichel> :-)
[03:00:10] <Loetmichel> was also breakfast
[03:00:19] <[cube]> yum
[03:01:13] <XXCoder> dunno if tastful but does look good.
[03:02:29] <Loetmichel> wit german bread it IS tasteful... and the descruiption reads "perks of going grocery shopping before breakfast: still warm bread fresh frm the bakery, fresh meat from the butcher, only forgot to buy some onions"
[03:04:50] <[cube]> this is what i had first night in munich:
http://i.imgur.com/qsbD3Y5.jpg
[03:05:02] <[cube]> that cranberry sauce...incredible
[03:08:24] <Loetmichel> looks tasty... let me guess: munich?
[03:08:45] <[cube]> yes
[03:09:15] <[cube]> that day i had 1 too many gluvines
[03:09:29] <[cube]> think i've officially had enough gluvine for 1 lifetime :P
[03:09:47] <gonzo_> 'pain is good' ???!!!
[03:09:48] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[03:09:53] <[cube]> *gluhwein
[03:09:59] <Loetmichel> gonzo_: hot sauce
[03:10:04] <Loetmichel> and they MEAN that
[03:10:26] <gonzo_> looks like a bottle from a chem lab
[03:10:36] <Loetmichel> around 8k scoville iirc
[03:11:32] <gonzo_> it IS from the chem lab then
[03:12:26] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy23Us3nrX8
[03:12:29] <XXCoder> man
[03:12:35] <XXCoder> industry is so different back then
[04:58:11] <SpeedEvil> In the 60s, my parents had a rock shop.
[04:58:49] <SpeedEvil> One repeat customer was someone who was using handpicked quartz to make crystals industrially.
[04:59:04] <XXCoder> super accurate
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1257186
[05:00:00] <SpeedEvil> hah
[05:00:16] <SpeedEvil> that needs carbide tips.
[05:00:32] <XXCoder> it need METAL tips lol
[05:00:42] <XXCoder> and more... metal everywhere else ;)
[05:00:54] <XXCoder> honestly I want to make metric one for fun
[05:01:03] <XXCoder> or maybe inch one, as a joke
[05:10:41] <archivist> those will cost more in spastic than buying a real metal working micrometer
[05:10:55] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:11:18] <XXCoder> my high quality condition QA 1960s mic cost me 20 bucks
[05:11:32] <XXCoder> and 1940s little less quality same price
[05:11:36] <archivist> I doubt his accuracy claims as well
[05:11:42] <XXCoder> this would cost quite a bit more lol
[05:12:01] <XXCoder> yeah thats why if I make it, its more for joke than actual serious use
[05:40:30] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/RYGpagLSKEk?t=698
[05:40:33] <XXCoder> interesting idea.
[05:40:39] <XXCoder> too bad no stream here lol
[05:41:07] <jthornton> morning
[05:41:13] <XXCoder> yo
[05:41:42] <XXCoder> honestly if I had stream the first thing I'd do is make power generator
[05:44:38] <gonzo_> you need a good flow, or a good drop to make it worth while
[05:44:56] <XXCoder> yeah and larger the wheel the more torque
[05:46:56] <XXCoder> I guess can do some other things to increase it even more, l;ike bowls or paddle or whatever to increase push from water
[06:00:01] <gonzo_> from my research (ie. watching YT videos), if you can get a big drop and create pressure, then a pelton wheel looks to be the choice. For small drop a water wheel or archemedes screw, and for level flow a paddle
[06:00:27] <gonzo_> no flowing water here, so not tried anything myself
[06:00:38] <XXCoder> interesting. well its qyite ademtic for me as I dont have nearby stream
[06:01:37] <gonzo_> I have plenty of ground water. Dig a hole and it fills up. Though not sure I'd trust using ut for annything. As itis strange colours
[06:01:56] <XXCoder> any fracking near you?
[06:02:22] <XXCoder> you can always build distallery and purify water, then add materials for plenty of safe drinking water
[06:02:54] <gonzo_> nope. But there is a graveyard up the hill!
[06:03:12] <XXCoder> yummy
[06:03:36] <gonzo_> used to make the plum tree grow well. But you never mentioned to anyone why!
[06:04:02] <XXCoder> its life cycle
[06:04:11] <XXCoder> endless cycle of shit
[06:04:54] <gonzo_> yep, I was happy enough to eat them, some people can be touchy
[06:05:27] <gonzo_> same people who don't like to be reminded that meat icut up dead animals
[06:05:48] <XXCoder> im undr no illusion that meat I eat used to moo
[06:05:59] <XXCoder> but I certainly cant kill and cut animals into meat
[06:06:07] <gonzo_> the way I cook steak, it sometimes still does!
[06:06:21] <XXCoder> lol
[06:07:24] <gonzo_> if it's just a squiemish thing, then most people are fine after doing it a couple of times. If it's a guilt thing, they I don't know
[06:07:30] <gonzo_> never had guilt
[06:07:50] <XXCoder> we humans is evolved to meat, once per week or so
[06:07:55] <XXCoder> we are eating too much meat
[06:08:24] <XXCoder> I would rager go pure vegan diet thats healthy, not because of saving animals bullshit but because it takes less resources.
[06:09:36] <gonzo_> agree. And not having to hunt/prep meat, it has lost it;s special place in the diet
[06:10:53] <XXCoder> fuck peta
[06:11:01] <XXCoder> people eating tasty animals ;)
[06:11:12] <gonzo_> I regularly have vegie meals, though it's more by accident than design. usually prompted by, what needs using up.
[06:11:42] <gonzo_> I have food guilt. But it's over waste, rather than it's source
[06:12:22] <gonzo_> seem to have wandered off topic.... from water turbines, to animal rights/global food, in half a screen. Not bad!
[06:12:42] <XXCoder> topic wandering fun
[06:13:14] <gonzo_> I suffer from fractal-conversations
[06:13:40] <gonzo_> no water here, not much wind either
[06:14:44] <XXCoder> here wind sometimes but yeah
[06:15:06] <gonzo_> though the neigbour was eyeing up some antenna mast sections that I had in the garden. In the UK, most neigbours would be glad that it was taken down. But this guy was after them as he wants to experiment with wind gen
[06:16:06] <gonzo_> we are in a valley, so the winds are low and not very stable. Turbulent flow is not good for a prop based windy
[06:18:02] <XXCoder> maybe the dish would be better for your location
[06:18:11] <XXCoder> its bladeless method to get power from wind
[06:18:25] <XXCoder> or maybe "the stem" one
[06:21:02] <gonzo_> will google them
[06:21:33] <XXCoder> later, going to bed :)
[06:21:37] <gonzo_> only been inolved with putting wind gen on elevated sites. So small prob type are ok
[06:21:44] <gonzo_> cheers
[06:43:28] <MacGalempsy> morning.
[06:43:40] <MacGalempsy> busy week ahead!
[06:44:16] <archivist> I just get empty weeks
[06:54:38] <MacGalempsy> empty?
[06:54:55] <MacGalempsy> like you fill it in?
[07:25:52] <MacGalempsy> archivist your cmm moving pics were inspiration
[07:50:58] <archivist> MacGalempsy, :)
[07:51:26] <archivist> I wish I had pics of some of the other moves over the years
[07:52:03] <archivist> empty week=no work coming in
[08:00:39] <abetusk> Does anyone have suggestions on how to convert from an incoming format like PostScript, DXF or SVG to gcode? I'm looking to convert to a simple 2d GCode file for laser cutting
[08:06:38] <archivist> there are some scripts online
[08:25:40] <jthornton> https://github.com/jethornton/DXFtoGcode
[08:25:57] <jthornton> not polished but works
[08:36:16] <abetusk> jthornton, compiling the go program and running it doesn't do anything for me
[08:36:45] <abetusk> dxf2gcode -c -i <inp> -o output.ngc
[08:39:43] <archivist> dxf2gcode which one as sourceforge has one called that
[08:48:50] <jthornton> I prob need to update it
[08:49:13] <jthornton> you run it from dxf.py
[08:50:01] <MacGalempsy> today will be continuing to clean up the shop. move around a few tools and make room for an injection molder
[08:50:35] <MacGalempsy> 30 ton is 33" deep and 125" m
[08:50:38] <MacGalempsy> long
[08:51:13] <MacGalempsy> the 2 stee
[08:51:46] <MacGalempsy> l pipes and a couple pieced of round stock were perfect rollers
[08:51:53] <archivist> sentence corruption error and line 2
[08:51:59] <archivist> and/at
[08:52:31] <archivist> scaffold tubes are wonderful tools
[08:53:20] <archivist> one needs to keep half a dozen in stock
[08:54:12] <MacGalempsy> 3 worked for me. the 10mm rods were on the pipe and under the machine
[08:55:14] <MacGalempsy> that was 1300lbs. the inj machine is 1400kg
[08:56:25] <MacGalempsy> trying to figure out why this ebay seller wont call me about this machine 3 miles from me
[08:57:19] <archivist> some sellers are not.....nice
[08:58:05] <archivist> the sort that go all quiet if it went too cheap
[09:02:28] <ktchk> abetusk: try heekscnc 1.1 it is now ready
[09:03:18] <MacGalempsy> perhaps he is worried about dealing with a local buyer
[09:04:07] <MacGalempsy> the 30T machine is 11hrs drive from here. it is currently under power and operational
[09:27:27] <nikre> i get limit switch error when it triggers. i followed this link:
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/12062-joint-0-limit-error-setting-up-debounce?start=6#12083
[09:27:33] <nikre> what else should i consider doing?
[09:27:44] <nikre> i have normally open switches
[09:36:28] <cradek> nikre: I don't understand the problem you're having. can you explain what behavior you're seeing that you find to be wrong?
[10:44:18] <nikre> cradek: when the limit switch triggers i get joint limit error.
[10:44:51] <nikre> i followed the link above to add debounce filter.
[10:44:58] <nikre> still the same error continues
[10:45:06] <nikre> i increased delay to 100
[10:46:29] <cradek> what do you mean by triggers?
[10:46:47] <nikre> switch is pushed
[10:47:02] <cradek> that is the expected behavior
[10:47:09] <nikre> the error is expected?
[10:47:33] <cradek> yes! it is an error for the machine to hit a limit switch. hitting the switch stops the machine and shows the error.
[10:47:52] <nikre> i am homing
[10:47:57] <nikre> an axis
[10:48:17] <nikre> and it doesnt pass to another axis because of the error
[10:48:18] <cradek> ok, that is the one exception: you can home to a limit switch if your homing options are set correctly
[10:48:28] <cradek> you have misconfigured homing
[10:48:41] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini-homing.html#_home_ignore_limits
[10:49:00] <cradek> brb
[10:56:23] <nikre> i don't have seperate home and limit switches. I set home_ignore_limits to "yes". is this wrong? Document says " If you do not have a separate home switch set this to YES and case connect the limit switch signal to the home switch input in HAL."
[10:57:21] <cradek> that is the correct setting
[10:57:53] <nikre> what would suggest me to check?
[10:58:14] <cradek> pastebin your hal and ini files and we can help you figure out what's wrong
[11:01:11] <nikre> this is my hal and ini files:
http://pastebin.com/6iVwzJfb
[11:03:00] <cradek> ok so you have a limit+home switch just on one end of each axis?
[11:03:05] <nikre> yes
[11:03:17] <nikre> single switch per axis
[11:03:50] <nikre> i reverted homing directions
[11:04:07] <cradek> explain?
[11:06:00] <nikre> when i pressed "home axis", the axis was moving away from the 0 point of the axis where there is the switch. i added minus to the HOME_SEARCH_VEL variable.
[11:06:56] <cradek> does that mean you expect Z to move downward to find the home switch?
[11:07:01] <nikre> yes
[11:07:14] <nikre> i want to use my diy cnc to mill pcb
[11:07:33] <cradek> ok your settings look right then
[11:07:40] <cradek> now let's troubleshoot
[11:07:58] <cradek> open linuxcnc and run a halmeter and use it to examine the axis.2.home-sw-in pin
[11:08:17] <cradek> make sure it says FALSE when you are not poking the switch and TRUE when you are poking the switch
[11:08:25] <cradek> check this for all three switches
[11:08:29] <nikre> ok, sec.
[11:14:36] <nikre> thank you cradek!
[11:14:55] <nikre> i found that i had connected x switch to y axis.
[11:14:58] <cradek> what was the problem?
[11:15:04] <cradek> aha! excellent
[11:15:21] <nikre> <3
[11:23:08] <Erant> If I were to buy a cheap indexable boring bar... And use some not-horrible inserts with it, how much of an idiot would y'all call me and for how long?
[11:24:18] <archivist> I have machined my own holders, being an even cheaper bugger
[11:24:55] <Erant> Huh. I guess that's not a bad idea. I've got some tool steel.
[11:25:18] <Erant> And I need to learn how to harden stuff anyway
[11:25:45] <archivist> never hardened one :)
[11:26:31] <archivist> one is brass
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Thread_mill_tool/p1010245.jpg
[11:27:02] <archivist> another was on the soft backend of a lathe tool
[11:29:21] <Erant> Nice. Do you have to worry about the angle of the insert at all or do they incorporate all the correct rake and relief angles in the insert itself?
[11:30:19] <archivist> that one was for a normal lathe tool so I did offset it so the clearance would be ok when spun
[11:31:15] <archivist> thus a bit off on the side angles but the job I was doing was restoration so not critical
[11:32:33] <Erant> Fair enough. Yeah, I'm looking at these tools and kicking myself for not going "eh... I can make that."
[11:32:57] <Erant> For all intents and purposes it's a piece of round stock with a flat milled in it.
[11:34:31] <archivist> with the screw hole set to pull the insert against the edges
[11:36:16] <Erant> Important detail. I think I can get away with some O-1, flatten one end slightly so it flares out a little and then mill a flat on that. (and a flat along the entire length, obviously)
[11:54:25] <Erant> archivist: Any inserts I should be avoiding/going for? Mostly aluminium, some mild steel, annealed tool steel, very rarely chromoly.
[11:56:17] <archivist> I dont use inserts that much, mainly for parting off and threading,
[11:57:04] <archivist> but in general get a general purpose insert or better one that covers your material
[11:58:31] <Erant> Cool. I'm mostly wanting the insert for boring and maybe threading. I ground my first boring bar a while back, out of 3/8" square, and I think maybe I should become a cat burglar.
[11:58:42] <Erant> Probably still don't have fingerprints...
[12:03:35] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:03:41] <IchGucksLive> cool day in germany
[12:06:32] <Erant> archivist: Any particular reason you use it for parting? The threading I get.
[12:06:46] <Erant> IchGucksLive: Has it been hot lately?
[12:07:23] <IchGucksLive> on the plasma its every day or do you mean at BRC
[12:11:11] <Erant> I meant Germany in general ;)
[12:11:25] <archivist> Erant, I use a sandvik tool and insert, just plain nice, very few problems like jamming and climb over the tool
[12:12:47] <IchGucksLive> Erant: yes for weeks no rain and temps above 30C
[12:12:57] <archivist> Erant, this one
http://www.greenwood-tools.co.uk/shopscr23.html, basically a standard sandvik blade cut down for a smaller lathe
[12:13:09] <IchGucksLive> can someone check if the VID plays please
http://foengarage.de/heart_fire_1.mp4
[12:13:32] <Erant> Yup
[12:13:32] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:13:33] <Erant> Works
[12:13:39] <IchGucksLive> thanks
[12:13:42] <Erant> Very apt file name.
[12:13:44] <IchGucksLive> here its not
[12:14:03] <IchGucksLive> its the intro for the wedding vid
[12:14:11] <IchGucksLive> but i need to render more fire
[12:14:12] <Erant> Cool.
[12:15:31] <CaptHindsight> must depend on player and libs, it's corrupt on this system
[12:15:53] <Erant> archivist: I'm going to give a P-type parting tool a shot after the regular type parting blade took an unplanned, high-speed, trip through my workshop.
[12:17:53] <archivist> Erant, yup that sort of problem with flying bits is a pain, the insert is a bit wider with shaped face to make sure the chips curl up well (keep well oiled)
[12:19:42] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: plays fine in VLC, smplayer, mpv and parole
[12:21:58] <IchGucksLive> it doesent in firefox
[12:22:04] <IchGucksLive> so neu codec new fire
http://foengarage.de/heart_fire_b_hd.mp4
[12:22:56] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: yes, not in firefox 48
[12:23:17] <IchGucksLive> the new one also not ?
[12:23:26] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: the newer link plays fine in Firefox
[12:23:37] <IchGucksLive> thanks the old is removed
[12:23:50] <CaptHindsight> first link didn't not, second link is fine
[12:23:54] <IchGucksLive> so new render in blender with les smoke
[12:23:59] <IchGucksLive> better firerring
[12:24:01] <nikre> anyone else use linuxcnc for pcb milling? can i see config files for pcb milling?
[12:24:14] <IchGucksLive> yes i do
[12:24:23] <cradek> I have
[12:24:26] <IchGucksLive> speed is 1200mm/min on drilling
[12:24:36] <IchGucksLive> milling depends on bit
[12:24:41] <nikre> IchGucksLive, what is your spindle speed?
[12:24:41] <archivist> nikre, no different to any other sort of milling
[12:24:45] <CaptHindsight> nikre: the configs will vary by your machine configuration and types of motors and encoders
[12:24:49] <cradek> as fast as possible
[12:24:50] <IchGucksLive> 24000
[12:25:13] <nikre> my spindle is 12000 max. i guess this causes problems
[12:25:26] <cradek> 12000 might be ok, but you can't feed as fast
[12:25:48] <cradek> see what your cutter manufacturer recommends
[12:26:03] <nikre> it is cheap chinese 500w spindle :)
[12:26:21] <IchGucksLive> oh tht shoudt make 20k rpm
[12:26:36] <IchGucksLive> isent it a vfd one
[12:26:44] <IchGucksLive> like huanyang
[12:27:08] <nikre> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Spindle-the-CNC-Spindle-Motor-ER11-500W-52mm-mounting-bracket-spindle-clamp-for-PCB-engraving/32341330193.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.44.vXdkfv&s=p&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_5_10057_10065_10056_10068_10037_10055_10054_10069_301_10059_10033_10058_10032_418_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=6415e17c-db36-4464-aa98-072421711eb4
[12:27:17] <nikre> mine is same as this link
[12:27:25] <Erant> nikre: For PCB milling you're going to run into runout problems, probably.
[12:28:06] <IchGucksLive> nikre: you woudt have get a better one for less in the USA
[12:28:07] <Erant> But if you keep your feature size reasonable and your feed&speeds match you should have no issue.
[12:28:32] <cradek> iirc, my cutter manufacturer recommended .0005"/flute feed
[12:28:54] <nikre> Erant, the specs are like this: "High precision spindle runout 0.01-0.03" and i could validate this.
[12:29:00] <cradek> so 12000 rpm gives F12 inch/min
[12:29:09] <Erant> nikre: Well... How big is your tool.
[12:29:11] <cradek> .03 inch!?
[12:29:21] <Erant> cradek: It's why I asked about the runout ;)
[12:29:27] <archivist> mm?
[12:29:29] <cradek> that can't be right
[12:29:36] <nikre> is it too much?
[12:29:47] <Erant> nikre: How big is your tool? Your bit.
[12:29:53] <nikre> er11?
[12:30:09] <Erant> No, the actual endmill/engraver
[12:30:12] <nikre> sec
[12:30:53] <cradek> you'll want to cut .010" or smaller isolations
[12:31:11] <IchGucksLive> its a standard 1/8 i guess
[12:31:16] <nikre> this one:
http://www.frezycnc.eu/end-mills-drill-bits-micro/engraving-tools/engraving-end-mills-pro-2-flute/
[12:31:20] <cradek> sure but they come to a point
[12:31:21] <IchGucksLive> with a .4mm flat
[12:31:29] <cradek> the point is .005 across or so
[12:31:42] <cradek> er, or 3x that, haha
[12:31:47] <nikre> 30deg
[12:32:07] <Erant> nikre: So the 'tip width' on that guy is 0.13mm
[12:32:36] <Erant> (or 0.003")
[12:33:15] <Erant> Which, you won't actually get that, so let's call it... 0.006"
[12:33:37] <Erant> If your runout is 0.01", the bit isn't going to do any cutting.
[12:33:46] <Erant> It's just going to slam into the material.
[12:34:23] <nikre> anything i can do without changing the spindle?
[12:34:38] <nikre> wider tip?
[12:34:56] <nikre> i do experience as you say btw
[12:34:57] <Erant> I mean, it'll... "work" for some definition of "work", but you'll get a pretty rough finish.
[12:35:09] <nikre> yes thats what i get idd
[12:35:39] <nikre> would wider tip help?
[12:35:43] <Erant> If you were looking at it head on, instead of seeing the bit like this: |
[12:35:55] <Erant> It look more like this: /
[12:36:02] <Erant> or like this while it's spinning: /\
[12:36:28] <nikre> yup
[12:38:37] <nikre> i plan to use a brushless motor and a housing for the spindle connected with a belt to the motor
[12:39:12] <nikre> has anyone done this before?
[12:39:46] <IchGucksLive> why not using a realy fast 50K real spindle 52 watercooled
[12:39:57] <IchGucksLive> Speed control thrue vfd
[12:40:04] <IchGucksLive> its at 120euros
[12:40:34] <nikre> something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9xVwKub4Eg
[12:41:02] <nikre> i have no intention to use the diy cnc for anything other than pcb
[12:41:25] <IchGucksLive> oh we make small mashines only for FR4
[12:41:43] <IchGucksLive> bearly larger then a school meeter
[12:41:52] <IchGucksLive> missing word
[12:43:04] <Erant> nikre: It's really about the bearings, and the stickout.
[12:43:48] <IchGucksLive> ruler is a school meter ;-)
[12:43:50] <Erant> nikre: The motor that you're using probably has bushings instead of bearings for one (nothing particularly wrong with that though) and then the looong adapter on the end is making it worse.
[12:43:58] <IchGucksLive> so its 30x30cm
[12:44:30] <Erant> IchGucksLive: A water cooled spindle for FR4 though? That's... overkill?
[12:45:15] <IchGucksLive> same price
[12:45:27] <IchGucksLive> ok a aircooled at 24k is also god
[12:45:32] <nikre> Erant, i had opened my brushed spindle before. it has bearings but on the outer side of the bearings there is a plastic layer.
[12:45:45] <IchGucksLive> search lartuer spindle
[12:46:59] <nikre> it is the same as this video but mine is 500w (which i doubt it is 500w)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P5THNNjafU
[12:48:39] <CaptHindsight> I've sen little difference between the 200, 400 and 500W ChinaCo spindles except for the claims
[12:49:02] <nikre> here
https://youtu.be/7P5THNNjafU?t=379
[12:49:10] <CaptHindsight> be careful of Chinese Watts
[12:49:34] <IchGucksLive> ROFL
[12:49:40] <IchGucksLive> they only make money
[12:49:48] <IchGucksLive> no performence
[12:53:40] <nubcake> :D
[12:53:53] <nubcake> i got an 800w watercooled one, is it of any use?
[12:56:15] <IchGucksLive> its a cool one
[12:56:26] <IchGucksLive> nubcake: do you got pwm control
[12:58:21] <nubcake> IchGucksLive yes i do
[12:58:39] <IchGucksLive> cool
[13:01:08] <CaptHindsight> nikre: the Chinaco spindles are like most tools you find at HF and throughout China, they usually initially work for a short time, for how long doesn't really matter to the seller or manufacturer
[13:02:54] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: in HK there is a leek as water poord to the manufactrer if heard about
[13:05:17] <nikre> CaptHindsight, not reliable indeed
[13:05:38] <CaptHindsight> Fixing runout on Chinese spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8Ea7NRc4Q complains about runout but uses Mach and grinds this on a ChinaCo router
[13:22:23] <Deejay> namd
[13:31:15] <nubcake> n'amd
[13:32:27] <Deejay> :)
[13:33:58] <IchGucksLive> how is bruce wayne ?
[13:35:22] <cpresser> sad, his parents died
[13:37:23] <IchGucksLive> http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=106862
[13:37:30] <IchGucksLive> did it from a dae
[13:37:59] <IchGucksLive> im off
[13:57:01] <witnit> anyone working with something like this?
http://www.beck-ipc.com/en/products/sc2x3/sc243.asp
[13:57:12] <witnit> embedded rt?
[13:57:52] <witnit> This guy at IMTS had shown me some "$50" chips with embedded realtime linux and was quite interested
[13:57:53] <CaptHindsight> witnit: by like this do you mean non-x86?
[13:58:17] <witnit> I know nothing about ebedded systems or how various archs work
[13:58:34] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc runs on various <$35 ARM boards
[13:58:36] <andypugh> Possibly Beaglebone. Or CHIP
[13:58:50] <witnit> you would have to look at it, as I am quite oblivious
[13:59:00] <witnit> andypugh:
http://www.beck-ipc.com/en/products/sc2x3/sc243.asp
[13:59:34] <andypugh> Arguably those are not necessarily “embedded” realtime linux. It could be normal realtime Linux
[13:59:35] <witnit> can I build a headless system from this using linuxcnc is all I really want to know
[13:59:36] <archivist> not much memory
[14:00:52] <witnit> I wish I were more educated in such things, I should probably buy many types of setups and just get to learning
[14:04:02] <CaptHindsight> witnit: plan on spending most of your time learning to compile things for ARM
[14:04:05] <andypugh> Sounds like work. Machinekit ialready supports headless LinuxCNC on Beaglebone. (mainly because the BeagleBone can’t really handle a GUI)
[14:05:22] <CaptHindsight> and dealing with hacky tool chains if you follow most howto's
[14:05:40] <witnit> ahh, I see
[14:06:03] <cradek> don't underestimate how terrible it is to work with those systems
[14:06:47] <cradek> they are like what trying to get linux to run on PCs was 20 years ago
[14:07:01] <witnit> I was kind of interested in doing a very small footprint 2-3 axis serve systems
[14:07:21] <witnit> servo*
[14:07:56] <witnit> on a modular type system with remote gui
[14:08:08] <CaptHindsight> fine, if you want to learn how to build for ARM
[14:08:20] <CaptHindsight> but don't be in a hurry
[14:08:37] <witnit> heh, I fully understand what that means
[14:09:24] <witnit> as of now im going with an off the shelf pc solution. but the requirements of the machine is very simple single or two pass programs
[14:09:36] <CaptHindsight> many experienced Linux devs take the code sorcery shortcut
[14:09:47] <CaptHindsight> well experienced with x86
[14:09:50] <witnit> so basicly move to a point, do a plunge and back to z0x0
[14:13:58] <kyle____> i did some reading on g-code
[14:14:09] <kyle____> i've determined g-code is bonkers
[14:18:31] <andypugh> G-code is just very old.
[14:19:06] <gregcnc> G code has many dialects
[14:19:26] <CaptHindsight> are any of the CNC controllers even talking about moving away from g-code?
[14:20:35] <gregcnc> is H code next?
[14:20:40] <Deejay> develop something new, make the world better. and integrate it into linuxcnc :-) yay
[14:21:11] <CaptHindsight> talk to the HAL
[14:25:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: what happened in between G-code and M-code?
[14:26:24] <gregcnc> yeah somebody missed out a lot of opportunity
[14:27:31] <andypugh> There is STEP-NC
[14:27:58] <andypugh> Also, LinuxCNC _already_ has an alernative interpreter that takes canonical motion commands
[14:29:29] <andypugh> have a look at sim/axis/canterp for an example config and a sample input file
[14:30:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-Dimatix-Inkjet-printer-Materials-Printer-/182145645504 what are ym's? yoctometers? :)
[14:30:32] <andypugh> People have twice popped up wanting to write a STEP-NC interpreter, but despite the fact that there is an existing Linux project, and LinuxCNC can accept plug-in interpreters, we never hear anything back
[14:31:27] <andypugh> ym are, indeed, yoctometres. But they probably mean µm
[14:39:10] <CaptHindsight> and I thought that the Chinese tend to exaggerate in their ads
[14:39:31] <CaptHindsight> now with sub-atomic resolution
[14:40:42] <andypugh> Actually, Yocto is relevant to the previous discussion. Yocto is a cross-compiling system
[14:41:10] <andypugh> I know one of the developers. He keeps talking about making himself a linuxCNC milling machine.
[14:42:25] <andypugh> When I say “one of the developers” I mean that he is on this page
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-fellows
[14:46:21] <skunkworks_> You know linus?! ;)
[14:48:43] <andypugh> No, I know Richard
[14:50:49] <andypugh> (We are both in the same online bike club, He likes off-road / enduro motorcycling.)
[14:51:15] <skunkworks_> Neat!
[14:58:41] <miss0r> using this x-carve some more, something has occurred to me; if you replace just about everything on it, it is a descent machine.
[14:58:52] <andypugh> Aye, I have ridden with him several times. In fact the last time, when I drowned the GasGas, he had the other end of the tow tope.
[14:59:33] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: same for the ChinaCo routers
[15:00:43] <andypugh> But he is less useful than another friend from the same bike club, he was Wisonsin Chief Attourney, and was instrumental in getting me a US Visa because the courrts _would_ talk to him and admit they had lost the records of my arrest.
[15:00:53] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: that would be an upgrade. I am seriously considering buying some chinese linear rails(the round supported kind) to replace the axis with. also, adding ballscrews.
[15:01:27] <miss0r> these toothed rubber bands they use *sigh*
[15:02:15] <CaptHindsight> miss0r:
https://imagebin.ca/v/2TYvESEACWSs they might arrive crunchy, mince did
[15:02:47] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: I had to rework just about everything and it's for non-contact work
[15:02:51] <miss0r> CaptHindsight I can't load that site.. some error with "not supported protocol"
[15:03:12] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/w800/2TYvESEACWSs.jpg try this
[15:03:25] <miss0r> same stuff...
[15:03:51] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I see towo toys with a lathe behind them :-)
[15:04:10] <CaptHindsight> wget
https://ibin.co/w800/2TYvESEACWSs.jpg and then use an image viewer?
[15:04:17] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: LOL
[15:04:30] <miss0r> I also found out why it generated 'random' tool paths. apparently g2 ang g3 are not supported. also, it can't move all three axis at once. It did not generate an error, it just did stuff wrong :D
[15:05:12] <cradek> wow
[15:05:37] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: when they were all rebuilt they were fine for deposition
https://imagebin.ca/v/2aq0JWfJZfXK
[15:05:43] <miss0r> I seriously can't open that link :S
[15:05:59] <miss0r> not with paint/chrome/Internet explorer
[15:06:21] <CaptHindsight> imagebin.ca has been acting funny lately
[15:06:31] <miss0r> I want to see :'(
[15:06:53] <andypugh> Works for me. On Hotel WiFi, in Turkey.
[15:07:18] <miss0r> *mutters* damn hotel wifi always outshines me
[15:07:22] <andypugh> (that’s the country, not the poultry)
[15:07:25] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: have you considered moving to a hotel in Turkey?
[15:07:36] <miss0r> CaptHindsight more times than I can count
[15:08:34] <miss0r> I live in the stone ages internet wise... this is one of a few "dark" spots in denmark
[15:09:23] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: that lathe was also a toy, think it was an Emco made of butter
[15:09:33] <miss0r> perhaps if I try to use a free proxy.. that might work for whatever reasons...
[15:09:58] <miss0r> that did work... heh
[15:10:16] <miss0r> that looks nice. what material are you using?
[15:11:47] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: material it's depositing? DNA in a photopolymer
[15:12:13] <miss0r> what are you building the frame from - would be the question :)
[15:12:40] <CaptHindsight> it's all 6061
[15:13:11] <miss0r> looks very nice :) nice paint job - in the photo, it almost looks like black ABS
[15:13:20] <CaptHindsight> anodized
[15:13:28] * miss0r salutes you
[15:14:11] <miss0r> You have me jealous of that build. I should get my arse around to doing some nice build again
[15:17:35] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: I only reworked those since the supplier was minutes away
[15:18:12] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: you can find much better parts on ebay used
[15:18:43] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: out of the box they were good for artwork
[15:18:49] <miss0r> while that may very well be true, buying it does not give the much needed satisfaction of doing it yourself
[15:19:03] <miss0r> crappy ramdomly offset artwork...
[15:19:52] <miss0r> I had a chinese brand 3040 router(I think it was called). that opened my eyes to ebay quality :)
[15:22:19] <miss0r> I still keep the surface plate from it around, just in case I need to hit something with a hammer, but don't want to scratch the surface of said something. I just put the plate in between
[15:24:02] <kyle____> ebay quality eh
[15:24:12] <miss0r> oxymoron
[15:24:34] <kyle____> right?
[15:24:47] <kyle____> ordered a k40 laser cutter on wednesday at noon... still hasn't shipped on monday
[15:25:12] <miss0r> I am very curious to hear how that will work out for you. I have considered getting one.
[15:25:14] <kyle____> the worst part is that I would spend half as much time walking to my car right now as I would driving from here to their warehouse
[15:25:40] <kyle____> in other words, it's about 20 minutes from me by car.
[15:25:49] <miss0r> where are you from?
[15:26:08] <miss0r> i'm guessing UK?
[15:26:09] <kyle____> currently in san mateo (wouldn't say i'm from here), it's in san leandro/oakland
[15:26:14] <miss0r> guessed wrong :)
[15:26:16] <kyle____> california, sf bay area :P
[15:26:34] <kyle____> i specifically ordered it from this ebay seller because they were based so close too :(
[15:26:39] <miss0r> I don't buy too much from the states. the toll is crazy...
[15:26:45] <kyle____> i bet
[15:29:00] <miss0r> can't you just call them and ask if that is an option?
[15:32:30] <miss0r> i've been looking at a 100watt version. I haven't bought it, because the only thing I want it for is cutting 15mm plywood. and I don't think it is able to do so
[15:34:36] <kyle____> i asked, they said no
[15:34:49] <miss0r> now thats not very flexible of them...
[15:34:55] <kyle____> the address showed up on the fedex tracking page too
[15:35:01] <kyle____> it's an oriental furniture store :P
[15:35:15] <kyle____> this is why i'm very glad i used my american express card
[15:35:18] <miss0r> hehehe no surprise there
[15:36:01] <miss0r> I don't know much about american express - but they cover your ass somehow?
[15:36:16] <kyle____> yeah, they're known for almost always siding with the cardholder in disputes
[15:37:28] <miss0r> thats why I use paypal for most stuff online. Unless I buy something from within Denmark.
[15:37:40] <kyle____> eh, i hate paypal with a fiery passion
[15:37:47] <miss0r> do tell me why
[15:38:27] <kyle____> my workplace uses paypal to pay people who make money on our platform
[15:38:52] <kyle____> paypal has this horrible tendency to call each and every one of them criminals and freeze their accounts, sometimes never unfreezing them even when the proof they asked for is submitted
[15:38:57] <kyle____> which of course means they keep the funds
[15:39:05] <kyle____> which can be in the tens of thousands of USD
[15:39:11] <miss0r> thoes bastards!
[15:39:32] <kyle____> they also take a large cut and use inflated currency exchange rates and pocket the difference
[15:39:39] <miss0r> but i'm just a small fish :) and as long as they leave me be, and help me out when i'm getting screwed over, i'm happy
[15:39:53] <kyle____> yeah they usually side with the buyer too
[15:40:05] <kyle____> which makes me feel bad for using them for any company i'd actually trust
[15:40:45] <miss0r> I wonder why this is not commenly known.
[15:41:18] <miss0r> I mean, had I known they were assholes, I would have thought twice about signing up
[15:41:24] <kyle____> no idea
[15:41:33] <kyle____> probably because the vast majority of people are buyers on paypal
[15:42:10] <miss0r> one thing is for sure, I will, after getting this info, not sign up my private company with paypal
[15:42:26] <kyle____> do not, heh
[15:42:36] <kyle____> if i can find this article again...
[15:42:45] <kyle____> there was this startup that was using paypal to process transactions
[15:42:54] <miss0r> I don't take bitcoins either... my list of payment methods grows thin
[15:42:59] <kyle____> paypal froze their account and killed their company
[15:43:19] <miss0r> perhaps they forgot to pay 'protection money' ?
[15:43:21] <kyle____> and then... offered them a small business loan
[15:43:23] <kyle____> exactly
[15:43:51] <miss0r> well, thats on them, you should always pay protection money (jk)
[15:44:17] <kyle____> :P
[15:44:58] <miss0r> I should realy get my stuff together and build a vacuum something something for this wood router. I HATE WOOD DUST
[15:45:40] <kyle____> do it
[15:46:32] <miss0r> I will. I put it off, saying "i'll do if this machine turns out to be worth my while"... It turns out its not, but i'm using it anyway... so I should do it even thou I said I wouldn't
[15:47:07] <miss0r> heh, i've probally spend $500 to make it somewhat decent.
[15:48:00] <miss0r> kyle____ tell me, will that laser cutter/engraver of yours cut wood?
[15:48:09] <kyle____> yeah
[15:48:13] <kyle____> out of the box, nah
[15:48:28] <miss0r> how thick are we talking?
[15:48:37] <kyle____> once the mirrors are aligned and the cooling system is set up correctly, most people agree on 3mm birch plywood
[15:48:41] <miss0r> and what are you going to do, to make it do so? :)
[15:48:57] <kyle____> and with air assist (which i have a nozzle in the mail for), you can get up to 6mm
[15:48:58] <miss0r> so, somewhat far off the 15mm mark, i'm shooting for
[15:49:02] <kyle____> yeah for sure
[15:49:12] <kyle____> you might be able to do 15mm from what i've gathered
[15:49:26] <miss0r> on the 40watt model?
[15:49:27] <kyle____> but only if you've got a good air assist and you're fine with burning
[15:49:32] <kyle____> yeah
[15:49:38] <kyle____> big maybe though, i'll have to try and let you know how it goes
[15:49:42] <miss0r> but then it would be realy slow, right?
[15:49:45] <kyle____> yeah
[15:49:50] <kyle____> you'd probably have more luck with 100w
[15:50:07] <miss0r> yeah. i'd love to hear how yours fare with thicker wood and your skills.
[15:50:08] <kyle____> but hey you could always laminate
[15:50:28] <kyle____> i expect that this laser cutter will teach me a great many things
[15:50:37] <kyle____> i'll try to keep my blog up to date
[15:50:42] <miss0r> like "never buy chinese stuff" :)
[15:51:51] <miss0r> if only I was good at the finer works with wood, I wouldn't need this machine here.
[15:54:48] <miss0r> i'm uploading a small video as we speak, so you can see what i'm talking about
[15:57:21] <miss0r> here we go: the x-carve doing stuff:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7UnVVb0ZIRWh1LUU
[16:01:35] <miss0r> if I could just do that with a laser cutter, my life would be good :)
[16:02:54] <XXCoder> miss0r: what size diameter on that router?
[16:03:35] <miss0r> the endmill or the diameter of the 'motor' ?
[16:03:46] <pink_vampire> i did a test with round shape
[16:03:52] <XXCoder> motor, where it is clamped, that section
[16:03:55] <pink_vampire> it work soo grate
[16:04:06] <miss0r> 2 mins its done then. I can't remember, so I will measure there
[16:04:19] <XXCoder> pink your mill?
[16:05:12] <miss0r> XXCoder it's 68mm
[16:05:25] <pink_vampire> no
[16:05:27] <XXCoder> yeah thats what I remembered, in least it being over 60mm anyway
[16:05:33] <pink_vampire> just the shape
[16:05:36] <miss0r> yep, sorry dude
[16:05:38] <pink_vampire> one sec
[16:07:09] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/hrileYW.png
[16:07:54] <andypugh> Nobokov gears?
[16:08:10] <XXCoder> nice, you milled those gears pr wjat?
[16:08:27] <andypugh> Sorry, the word is Novikov
[16:13:03] <pink_vampire> just 1/8" end mill
[16:14:37] <XXCoder> cool
[16:16:19] <pink_vampire> it's super simple design for gear,
[16:17:58] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ZpqPs8p.png
[16:18:43] <pink_vampire> it's super simple design for gear, just circles..
[16:19:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: andypugh
[16:24:38] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:09] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: yeah nicely done
[16:28:26] <XXCoder> well time to go work laters
[16:28:48] <pink_vampire> how is router?
[16:29:09] <andypugh> pink_vampire: They are only _good_ gears if the centre distance is absolutely perfect.
[16:30:05] <pink_vampire> andypugh: what do you mean?
[16:30:14] <pink_vampire> it's cut on the cnc.
[16:30:38] <pink_vampire> it is+- 0.01 mm
[16:31:07] <andypugh> The same is true of Novikov gears. Even slight bending of the shafts erases all the advantages, and they become worse than normal gears.
[16:31:34] <andypugh> Whereas normal involute gears are moderately forgiving.
[16:32:35] <andypugh> It might not matter, here. Novikov gears are only ever used where they need to get a lot of power through a tiny space. The only ones I have ever seen were a helicopter gearbox.
[17:04:03] <miss0r> this machine is so marvelously inaccurate in the table, I don't even need to program in tabs.. :)
[17:07:01] <witnit> "marvelously inaccurate" this is great, I need to make up some new "out of tolerance" signs for the guys when they run a load of scrap
[17:07:30] <miss0r> :)
[17:11:58] <kyle____> does anyone here use solidworks on a regular basis?
[17:12:50] <kyle____> if so, please tell me why the hell i can't make a couple reusable functions that i can build equation driven curves out of to make a NACA airfoil
[17:12:53] <kyle____> :(
[17:13:42] <kyle____> is it so much to ask for to have a concise way to define the top and bottom in terms of the derivative of the camber curve
[17:13:53] <kyle____> and to also drive the camber curve using smart dimensions
[17:13:58] <renesis> you can use excel spreadsheets as data for configurations
[17:14:11] <kyle____> i feel like solidworks should just be able to do this though
[17:14:15] <renesis> and do all of the data manipulation in excel if thats easier for you
[17:14:26] <kyle____> so i can drag dimension handles around to configure my airfoil
[17:14:36] <kyle____> screw it i'm making my own CAD program
[17:14:45] <renesis> if you do relations and equations right, it should work like that
[17:14:56] <kyle____> i mean, you can do it
[17:14:59] <kyle____> but it's incredibly painful
[17:15:05] <kyle____> the equation syntax is horrifying
[17:15:18] <renesis> shrug, functionality is there and pretty straightforward if you know how to set it up
[17:15:20] <kyle____> and sharing a function between two equations amounts to copy-paste
[17:15:28] <renesis> so dont use solidworks to do the equations
[17:15:49] <FloppyDisk525> there's an api, but know nothing how it works or if it'd be useful...
[17:15:58] <kyle____> meh
[17:16:09] <renesis> you dont even need an api, equations as dimensions would do this
[17:16:11] <kyle____> it's about time i did something useful with my free time anyway
[17:16:48] <witnit> the laziest of people are the cream of the crop when it comes to automation
[17:16:59] <kyle____> going to have lua scripting form the backbone of every quantity in my CAD program
[17:17:10] <kyle____> that'll show them
[17:18:10] <witnit> you want it automated, find the laziest guy in the shop to do it.. kyle you should call your software, LazyCAD
[17:18:26] <kyle____> that's not a bad idea, was looking for a name for it
[17:19:01] <kyle____> in all seriousness i've already started writing some code for it, sounds like a fun side project
[17:19:42] <witnit> fun side projects make the best careers
[17:20:03] <kyle____> i'm no stranger to 3D math and CSG modelling
[17:27:23] <Tom_itx> i'm sure solidworks can do that
[17:27:39] <Tom_itx> i've done a little function & table driven cad in catia
[17:27:54] <kyle____> but what it can't do is reuse equations recursively
[17:27:59] <kyle____> i can't define an equation in terms of another
[17:28:33] <Tom_itx> what you haven't figured out how to get it to do...
[17:29:06] <kyle____> i want a curve defined by f(x) = g(x) + h(x) for example
[17:29:21] <kyle____> where g(x) and h(x) are defined separately elsewhere
[17:29:44] <kyle____> so that i could later define y(x) = f(x) * g(x) or something
[17:30:04] <Tom_itx> i've done models where i can simulate change to one variable and all the others follow it by formulas
[17:30:26] <kyle____> but it's very obnoxious to set this up
[17:30:44] <Tom_itx> it's not beginner cad at this point
[17:31:08] <kyle____> not being the most user-friendly is excusable for advanced operations
[17:31:15] <kyle____> but being almost actively user-hostile...
[17:31:41] <Tom_itx> i haven't done much with SW as far as formulas
[17:31:45] <nubcake> i'm out, good night everyone :)
[17:31:47] <Tom_itx> it should do the same as catia
[17:31:55] <kyle____> if equations were just lua scripting or something, it'd be so very easy
[17:32:03] <Tom_itx> i'm sure the layout is different
[17:32:18] <kyle____> no wonky homegrown syntax where no one has thought of edge-cases that your average scripting language figured out years ago
[17:33:23] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjFc10AAdkw
[17:33:50] <kyle____> i know, i've seen it
[17:34:32] <kyle____> but this is all really simple stuff and that's all that solidworks equations can really do
[17:35:35] <kyle____> NACA airfoils are defined by a camber line that's halfway between the top and bottom surface, so defining the top and bottom surface require using the slope of the camber line at each point
[17:35:44] <kyle____> which you could do
[17:36:06] <kyle____> but it involves copying and pasting the function a lot
[17:37:10] <kyle____> but this would be mitigated entirely if the equation input was less of a simple calculator and more of an actual algebraic parser
[17:37:24] <kyle____> maybe there's a plugin for this, idk
[17:37:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.hawkridgesys.com/products/solidworks/videos/equation-driven-curve-tool/
[17:38:22] <kyle____> this video doesn't do anything my ti-89 couldn't do though
[17:38:34] <kyle____> well except for the 3D parametric curve
[17:38:45] <kyle____> but that's just an extension of a 2D parametric curve anyway
[17:39:56] <kyle____> my complaint is just that the parser isn't very smart, i can't just enter something like ="D1@Sketch1"(x + 5)
[17:40:08] <miss0r> kyle____ My subwoofer is starting to take shape:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7clBrbTdnYlZaY2M :D
[17:40:16] <kyle____> ooh nice
[17:40:29] <kyle____> now those are some box joints
[17:40:47] <miss0r> indeed. 20x15mm each
[17:41:11] <kyle____> gonna park your elephant on top of it?
[17:41:19] <miss0r> the plan is, that the only screws in this box holds the speaker unit and the cable mounting box in the back.
[17:41:44] <kyle____> true woodworking uses no metal
[17:41:57] <kyle____> ... aside from the tools
[17:42:14] <miss0r> no :) but rigidity is essential in a subwoofer box. that is why(if you can see it), theres milled grooves in the sides and bottom. that is for the inside support
[17:42:23] <kyle____> ah yeah
[17:42:36] <kyle____> well, you should get it
[17:42:52] <kyle____> makes me think of this aquarium stand i built with my dad
[17:43:13] <kyle____> all the store-bought ones were flimsy, so we overbuilt the hell out of it and it ended up being able to support probably more than a ton
[17:43:30] <miss0r> hehe. with finger joints as well?
[17:43:39] <kyle____> i wish
[17:43:47] <kyle____> nah, just some miter joints + screws
[17:44:14] <miss0r> miter joints? are thoes the hardwood plugs?
[17:44:21] <kyle____> but wood is great because even though it has almost no bulk stiffness compared to metal, it's way cheaper so you can just overbuild it
[17:44:32] <kyle____> no, just some faces cut at angles glued together :P
[17:44:33] <Tom_itx> what are the airfoil for?
[17:44:42] <kyle____> just screwing around, tom
[17:45:11] <kyle____> if it were a serious project i'd totally just use a table of coordinates
[17:45:19] <miss0r> one thing I hate about wood - you can't machine it precisely. even if your program is very good, you still end up with sandpaper or a file
[17:45:58] <kyle____> that's another thing though, even if you get it very precise, most species aren't very dimensionally stable over time if you live somewhere with varying humidity
[17:46:00] <miss0r> but this seems to be somewhat to spec so far. i'm within +/- 0.5mm overall
[17:46:27] <miss0r> that is true
[17:46:29] <kyle____> just something you have to keep in mind when designing stuff, but it's not really a big deal with plywood
[17:47:05] <kyle____> although with lower quality material that can lead to delamination pretty quickly...
[17:47:09] <miss0r> I'm going to take my manual wood router, with a large radius cutter, and round off the conors with the finger joints. and i'm only going to give it some wood protection. no paint. I want to show off my finger joints :)
[17:47:20] <kyle____> as it should be
[17:47:43] <kyle____> not that there's any shame in a good paintjob though
[17:47:55] <miss0r> I guess. I don't know about this stuff, i'm an electrician in a metal shop, working with wood :o
[17:48:21] <miss0r> waaaay out of my area of expertise
[17:50:01] <miss0r> a good thing here: the joints are precisely enough made, so that I hammer it together, with the glue inside - and it holds the shape. and that is lucky too, I only own 5 vises, and none of them come even near to the size needed to hold this together. (I did not think of that when I started)
[17:56:29] <kyle____> you could take a square, put it on the inside of the joint, and clamp the square to both workpieces
[17:57:27] <miss0r> that is true. I just put in the square front plate, and hammered it tightly to that. Seemed to do the trick
[17:59:28] <miss0r> internet is screwing with me. i'll just go to bed then. see you around
[20:39:11] <MacGalempsy> another long day of cleanup...
[20:52:51] <Tom_itx> another long day period.
[20:55:34] <Valen> who was it who was always wrapping computer bits up in copper foil again
[20:55:40] <Valen> http://imgur.com/gallery/n7nxx they might like this
[20:58:58] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel_: ^^
[22:15:13] <os1r1s> Tom_itx Do you know off hand how to enable a pullup on a mesa board?
[22:23:32] <Cromaglious_> finally got my bag-O-bearings... now to see if they're as bad as Doubleboosts
[22:46:54] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, i'm not sure... it's been quite a while
[22:48:10] <os1r1s> Tom_itx I'm trying to figure this weird situation out. I think the fault line coming back from my servo driver is floating. So as soon as I flip the enable line linuxcnc goes to fault
[22:50:21] <Tom_itx> tied to what?
[22:51:30] <os1r1s> Tying it to an GPIO on the 7i76
[22:51:45] <dioz> any of you guys weld professionally?
[22:52:09] <Tom_itx> A: reverse the logic B: put an exteral pullup/down on the line... whichever you need
[22:52:26] <Tom_itx> i'd start around 1k and go down to 330 ohm or thereabouts
[22:52:26] <os1r1s> I tried reversing the logic to no avail
[22:52:32] <os1r1s> It was the easy route
[22:52:35] <os1r1s> :)
[22:52:47] <Tom_itx> unfortunately i need to go sleep
[22:52:56] <os1r1s> I was figuring I would have to do that, but was hoping I was issing something
[22:53:01] <os1r1s> Tom_itx k. Thanks for the help
[22:53:09] <Tom_itx> i seldom rely on internal pullups
[22:53:19] <Tom_itx> unless they're built in the board itself
[22:53:28] <Tom_itx> and i just can't remember on that one
[23:00:44] <dioz> when they say they can weld "all positions" what does that mean?
[23:00:46] <dioz> missionary?
[23:01:03] <dioz> and is there different tests for that?
[23:39:14] <enleth> os1r1s: well, you can just wire a resistor in there
[23:39:18] <enleth> os1r1s: ugly, but effective
[23:39:48] <pfred1> wiring a resistor is futile
[23:40:09] <enleth> pfred1: how so?
[23:40:54] <enleth> dioz: welding stuff that is e.g. on a ceiling, or welding vertically upwards or downwards, is tricky and requires specific training and experience to do properly
[23:40:59] <pfred1> enleth
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-07P0Cs7n2gs/UtqGs6OwL-I/AAAAAAAAf9Q/6CqFtXtGD2I/w1200-h630-p-nu/resistance+is+futile.png
[23:41:15] <enleth> pfred1: ah, didn't get the reference
[23:42:20] <enleth> dioz: if you're welding something you can't really turn around, like, a ship hull or a bridge beam, or the inside of a pipe or a big tank, you're goign to encounter welds in awkward, inconvenient positions
[23:42:41] <pfred1> alternating current has its ups, and downs
[23:43:19] <pfred1> yeah then you have to weld by ear
[23:43:43] <enleth> dioz: so if you can weld in all positions, it means you don't need your workpiece neatly laid out on a convenient horizontal table, with full visibility of the weld and unobstructed access
[23:43:47] <pfred1> if you can't see it then no one else can either
[23:44:07] <pfred1> that's the way i look at it at any rate
[23:46:06] <pfred1> no updated Blender for me the dep build failed
[23:46:46] <enleth> dioz: much of welders' training and certification is about welding stuff that's hard to reach, awkwardly positioned and just plain a pain in the ass to get to at a proper angle
[23:47:11] <pfred1> the rest is finding out what your threshold of speedballing is
