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[01:54:19] <Deejay> moin
[01:55:56] <linuxcncinst123> hi everyone, trying to go the bootstick way, I got the iso but the stick I made with the dd command doesn't do it.
[01:56:04] <linuxcncinst123> now what
[01:57:03] <archivist> read any error, fix, retry
[01:58:00] <linuxcncinst123> there was no readable error message, I got a short glimpse that there was something but it was gone before I could read it...
[01:59:44] <archivist> but what happened next
[02:00:02] <linuxcncinst123> it defaulted back to my normal install
[02:01:20] <archivist> then it was probably a non recognised boot of some sort
[02:03:17] <linuxcncinst123> ok... I'll go ask the guys at #linux and #ubuntu...
[02:06:40] <archivist> things like did you miss a step when making the usbstick
[02:07:47] <linuxcncinst123> it's a two step process: download the iso, use the dd command
[02:08:12] <linuxcncinst123> three if you count plugging the stick in the port.
[02:10:28] <archivist> what size is the stick
[02:11:03] <linuxcncinst123> big enough, but someone in ubuntu said I shouldn't have written to the partition but the device, so not /dev/sdc1 but /dev/sdc
[02:11:07] <linuxcncinst123> I'll try that now..
[02:16:32] <archivist> I see that is documented in our wiki but I can see where you went wrong
[02:18:47] <linuxcncinst123> :)
[02:20:34] <archivist> never used the usb stick method myself, usually used a CD
[02:27:36] <linuxcncinst123> k I'll now try the newly recreated stick...
[02:27:46] <linuxcncinst123> (I don't even have cds anymore)
[02:28:10] <linuxcncinst123> heh... anyway...
[02:35:33] <linuxcncinst123> heyo, worked just fine
[05:32:25] <jthornton> morning
[05:36:05] <renesis> u morning
[05:38:25] <XXCoder> u moaning
[06:16:55] <Tom_itx> moaning morning
[06:19:55] <CaptHindsight> what sort of blackmail has you up so early? :)
[06:21:40] <jthornton> who is you?
[06:22:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/13/artificial-intelligence-robots-threat-jobs-forrester-report
[06:24:14] <CaptHindsight> I'm all for this if it includes anyone that works as a gas station attendant, anyone at the DMV and the post office
[06:26:35] <Tom_itx> i was awake most of the night hashing code in my head
[06:27:14] <CaptHindsight> I'm just taking a break from sleeping
[06:27:25] <_methods> story of my life
[06:27:56] <Tom_itx> would you rather talk to a foreigner or a robot when calling tech support?
[06:28:22] <CaptHindsight> robot with French or Italian female accent
[06:28:36] <archivist> neither and a person driven by a script is just as bad
[06:28:42] <CaptHindsight> meat or mechanical robot
[06:28:51] <Tom_itx> archivist, true
[06:29:05] <Tom_itx> if they deviate from it, they're completely lost
[06:30:28] <CaptHindsight> well you really shouldn't have the problem you are having..
[06:30:35] <CaptHindsight> it must be you
[06:31:27] <Tom_itx> yeah well if i wasn't having the problem, we wouldn't be talking now would we?
[06:31:43] <Tom_itx> + for both of us
[06:32:45] <linuxcnc123> hello, I'm configuring a new pc for this machine I have here, I saved the previous settings, is there a guide on how to apply them?
[06:32:59] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, at least mechanical ones don't have attitude yet
[06:33:37] <archivist> they have a talk down to you mode
[06:33:58] <CaptHindsight> all posh and all
[06:34:18] <archivist> linuxcnc123, which settings
[06:35:20] <linuxcnc123> archivist: I have... the .ini and the .hal, also some custom xml
[06:35:33] <linuxcnc123> for some custom buttons I added
[06:36:10] <archivist> you can copy that subdirectory to new
[06:37:05] <linuxcnc123> ...ok
[06:37:52] <linuxcnc123> where would that be ;)
[06:38:01] <linuxcnc123> oh
[06:38:15] <linuxcnc123> simply in the home dir nvm
[06:39:48] <jthornton> ~/linuxcnc/configs/your_config
[06:41:18] <linuxcnc123> hm that throws a couple of errors... :S
[06:42:01] <archivist> was it created on a much earlier version
[06:42:07] <linuxcnc123> oh yes
[06:42:25] <linuxcnc123> let me guess, they're incompatible ;)
[06:42:45] <archivist> needs a line or 2 removing inn hal
[06:43:02] <linuxcnc123> oh if that's all, I can do that...
[06:44:10] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[06:45:32] <archivist> see parallel port stuff
[06:47:25] <linuxcnc123> yeah I found it...
[06:47:58] <linuxcnc123> my hal doesn't mention that though, the hal I have is just about some custom buttons...
[06:48:57] <linuxcnc123> in general my config folder literally has just that ini and that hal and that's pretty much it. I get the creeping suspicion that's not enough
[06:53:25] <jthornton> you need a var file and a tool table file
[06:53:38] <linuxcnc123> yep, don't have those...
[06:53:40] <jthornton> and any files called out in the [HAL] section
[06:53:57] <jthornton> open the ini and see what files are called for and create them
[06:54:15] <archivist> usually one creates a config with one of the scripts which creates all those and a named subdir for the machine
[06:54:49] <archivist> did you copy the right level from the old
[06:55:26] <jthornton> also look in the [RS274NGC] Section for any files specified
[06:55:52] <linuxcnc123> yeah I probably didn't copy the correct level...
[06:56:04] <jthornton> [EMCIO] Section has the tool table file name
[06:56:08] <linuxcnc123> but the old pc doesn't boot anymore...
[06:56:30] <archivist> what version was the old one
[06:57:24] <archivist> I would plug the hard disk into the new to see if readable (as a slave)
[06:57:37] * jthornton thinks footnotes are silly to have in the documents
[06:57:44] <archivist> or even in a usb caddy
[06:57:52] <linuxcnc123> nope we tried readingthe old disk with a new pc, didn#t work...
[06:58:13] <jthornton> just create blank files with the correct names
[06:58:37] <jthornton> from the sections of the ini posted above
[06:59:07] <linuxcnc123> ok did that
[06:59:15] <linuxcnc123> I had to add a toot.tbl and
[06:59:28] <jthornton> tool.tbl maybe :)
[06:59:29] <linuxcnc123> the linuxcnc.var
[06:59:51] <linuxcnc123> yeah that. hehe
[06:59:54] <linuxcnc123> toot.tbl
[07:00:21] <linuxcnc123> and that's enough?
[07:00:35] <jthornton> did you check the [HAL] section?
[07:01:14] <linuxcnc123> ohyou are correct, I also need one more .hal...
[07:05:45] <linuxcnc123> hm... idk maybe I'm better of recreating the proper configs from scratch...
[07:06:47] <XXCoder> sigh.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*vNppVGmEPiJILKSPAxGRsA.jpeg
[07:06:48] <jthornton> can you
http://paste.ubuntu.com/ the error
[07:07:45] <linuxcnc123> XXCoder: as long as it doesn't turn into a constant function now we're fine...
[07:08:14] <linuxcnc123> yeah I'll paste the error although it looks like s.axes times out
[07:09:06] <linuxcnc123> :S the error windows doesn't do copy paste...
[07:26:05] <IchGucksLive> Hi it is a real Hot Summerday here i miss the forest
[07:26:19] <XXCoder> IchGucksLive: hey
[07:26:33] <XXCoder> I remember your nick but..
[07:27:08] <IchGucksLive> after 2years in forest wildness runing 10+ CNc is quite a hazzard
[07:27:21] <XXCoder> yes its you heh
[07:27:36] <IchGucksLive> give me a hint on you
[07:27:40] <XXCoder> IchGucksLive: funny thing my cnc router STILL isnt completely working lol
[07:27:54] <XXCoder> you advised me on cnc parts and stuff years ago
[07:28:18] <XXCoder> my cnc router works but need a good spindle :P
[07:28:20] <IchGucksLive> so you did not follow my advice
[07:28:43] <IchGucksLive> oh spindle is perfect point there are so many
[07:28:53] <XXCoder> yeah problem is controlling it
[07:29:01] <XXCoder> I want ability to turn it on and off and set speed
[07:29:02] <IchGucksLive> i see hyan got splashed by cheeper ones
[07:29:10] <XXCoder> and reasonable torque across
[07:29:22] <IchGucksLive> where are you
[07:29:27] <IchGucksLive> in the world
[07:29:31] <XXCoder> usa
[07:29:48] <XXCoder> I now work machinist for while now lol. I run $5 million cell :P
[07:29:56] <IchGucksLive> can you solder standard electronics
[07:30:00] <XXCoder> things have changed a lot since then
[07:30:18] <XXCoder> when we first chatted I was just working vending job lol
[07:30:28] <XXCoder> ehh not very good solder
[07:30:49] <IchGucksLive> oh i just goo there are ready made pmw to analog voltiges
[07:31:06] <XXCoder> pwm yeah theres bunch now
[07:31:44] <XXCoder> information on how to build and use em with tb6560 sucks though. my tb6560 is out of date a little so might just go for tb6600 or something
[07:32:50] <jthornton> linuxcnc123: the middle mouse button or wheel copies and pastes
[07:33:16] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: yes my fellow brotheres ordert near 200 tb6600 stages
[07:33:28] <XXCoder> dang
[07:33:43] <XXCoder> from what I read tb6600 is easier to setup with pwm type spindle
[07:35:05] <XXCoder> im still waiting on seller to setup to sell this
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1EJa8NXXXXXXsXVXXq6xXFXXXt.jpg
[07:35:16] <XXCoder> so I can directly fit 52mm spindle :P
[07:35:58] <linuxcnc123> jthornton: of course it does... how convenient.
[07:36:22] <IchGucksLive> let me upload a pwm to analog
[07:36:31] <IchGucksLive> do you got eagle
[07:36:43] <XXCoder> my machine basically dont have any spindle
[07:36:51] <jthornton> I didnt' know till someone told me about the middle mouse button
[07:37:02] <XXCoder> I can only fit 43mm diameter and theres no real spindle for that size
[07:37:37] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: you got the data outputs to get 400hz pwm out
[07:37:47] <linuxcnc123> jthornton: yeah that was about level 10**25 sarkasm. middlemouse to copy AND paste? who does that...
[07:37:52] <linuxcnc123> http://pasteall.org/79310
[07:37:58] <linuxcnc123> anyway that's the error
[07:38:55] <XXCoder> ich
http://picpaste.com/IMG_20160909_171520-dATR0anh.jpg heh
[07:39:13] <XXCoder> I designed and 3d printed a 52mm clamp for my machine but I ont think its strong enough
[07:39:18] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder:
[07:39:37] <XXCoder> good question, not very good on electrics lol
[07:39:40] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder:
http://foengarage.de/eagle_pw.jpg ;-)
[07:39:49] <IchGucksLive> will upload the files
[07:40:05] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:40:15] <jthornton> linuxcnc123:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/tool-compensation.html#_tool_table_format
[07:40:30] <XXCoder> so it would allow me to use grinder, but dont it also mean low rpm torque would suck
[07:40:32] <jthornton> put at least one tool in the tool table
[07:42:34] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder:
http://foengarage.de/spindle_pwm_2016.zip
[07:42:45] <XXCoder> thanks
[07:42:50] <IchGucksLive> soimple nand gatter
[07:43:26] <IchGucksLive> linuxcnc123: i uploaded a video on that to get you to this CRC
[07:43:53] <XXCoder> ich did you see picture link heh
[07:44:53] <linuxcnc123> IchGucksLive: cool, can youg ive me the link? :)
[07:45:09] <IchGucksLive> here is the channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
[07:45:16] <XXCoder> IchGucksLive: what ya think of this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-driver-speed-controller-Mount-engraving-/261991164249
[07:45:34] <IchGucksLive> linuxcnc123:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K453sk8HBqA the video
[07:45:57] <XXCoder> your channel?
[07:46:17] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: im uploading all 100+ vids as i get to
[07:46:36] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: go for 1.5kw
[07:46:46] <IchGucksLive> its about 170USD
[07:47:01] <XXCoder> no such thing as 1.5 kw 52 mm spindle so far I see?
[07:47:13] <XXCoder> besides without proper clamp I cant fit it on yet
[07:47:32] * jthornton heads for a workout
[07:47:38] <XXCoder> 52mm clamp holes is 70 mm wide, and my z block bolots p[attern is 63mm
[07:47:41] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: Lartuer VFD
[07:47:50] <XXCoder> thats why I printed clamp see if it would work
[07:48:24] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: even aircooled
[07:48:40] <IchGucksLive> https://www.amazon.de/Lartuer-Luftgek%C3%BChlten-Spindelmotor-Passendem-Gravieren/dp/B0179SARSK/ref=pd_sim_sbs_201_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6K87N0MVFVE5AY06245H
[07:49:04] <XXCoder> 65mm yeah that wont fit my machine heh
[07:49:38] <IchGucksLive> its a 20USD Clamp to b changed
[07:49:53] <XXCoder> its z block thats problem
[07:50:06] <IchGucksLive> make your own
[07:50:33] <IchGucksLive> linuxcnc123: if i can help just ask
[07:50:41] <XXCoder> yeah I cant use machines at work for that I dont have any other machine :)
[07:50:50] <IchGucksLive> linuxcnc123: where are you in the worlkd
[07:51:14] <linuxcnc123> Berlin
[07:51:22] <IchGucksLive> dann gehts doch auc in DE
[07:51:27] <linuxcnc123> joa
[07:53:27] <XXCoder> time to sleep heh laters
[07:53:33] <XXCoder> IchGucksLive: good to see you back
[07:54:00] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[09:53:39] <MacGalempsy> hello
[11:26:01] <JT-Shop> yo
[11:57:02] <FloppyDisk525> yo yo
[11:57:35] <FloppyDisk525> JT-Shop - saw a can-am getting on the 880 this am after my swim, thought of you.
[12:18:25] <JT-Shop> I was riding mine a while ago but not on the 880 :)
[12:32:15] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:18:35] <IchGucksLive> pcw_mesa: are you on
[13:26:19] <IchGucksLive> im off bye
[13:57:22] <Cromaglious_> It's the Nimitz! quit calling it 880
[13:57:52] <Cromaglious_> 580 is MacArthur
[14:04:50] <Cromaglious_> sorry pet peve... 13 through piedmont is the Warren
[14:51:52] <kyle___> quick
[14:51:58] <kyle___> should i buy this k40 for $280?
[14:52:48] <FinboySlick> Radar detector?
[14:52:55] <kyle___> laser cutter
[14:59:56] <kyle___> i did it
[15:00:15] <jdh> cool
[15:10:55] <kyle___> we'll see if i regret this
[15:14:04] <Deejay> re-namd
[15:14:46] <kyle___> so openbuilds forums banned me
[15:15:01] <kyle___> i pointed out that using belts and aluminum extrusions with skateboard wheels wasn't a great idea for a cnc router
[15:15:12] <kyle___> was wondering why no one had, wanted to see if they were being silenced... yep.
[15:17:15] <SpeedEvil> depends what for
[15:17:29] <SpeedEvil> for wood, with loose tollerances, may be fine
[15:18:52] <kyle___> that's about it, yep
[15:19:37] <Crom_> or for styrofoam
[15:20:25] <Crom_> kyle___, you have a RAMPS or smoothie board?
[15:20:39] <kyle___> no why
[15:20:58] <Crom_> down and dirty way of controlling the laser cutter
[15:21:10] <kyle___> ah
[15:21:29] <kyle___> i'll see what i can make the provided software do
[15:21:34] <Crom_> no go and join
https://plus.google.com/communities/118113483589382049502
[15:21:37] <SpeedEvil> Carefully understand your tool forces and chatter/... tollerances, and design your CNC for that.
[15:21:42] <Crom_> s/no/now/
[15:21:50] <SpeedEvil> Not everything requires 10000N/mm stiffness.
[15:22:03] <Crom_> SpeedEvil, yes it does!
[15:22:04] <kyle___> thanks Crom_
[15:22:09] <Crom_> hehe
[15:22:16] <Crom_> de nada
[15:22:31] <CaptHindsight> kyle___: how do you bring up details that contain facts, logic, math, physics etc!!
[15:23:00] <kyle___> especially when the guy who banned me is the one selling the aluminum extrusions and skateboard wheels!
[15:23:16] <kyle___> ah well, it's his own community and he's entitled to that
[15:23:25] <Crom_> alalalalalalalalalalal i don't wanna hear it! The Doctor IS a REAL entity! nad in another galaxy there is a republic!
[15:24:00] <CaptHindsight> kyle___: you sound like a possible hater, elitist, critical thinker that is bad for business
[15:24:21] <Crom_> I had a lesson in that recently
[15:24:35] <CaptHindsight> I met him at a makerfare near Chicago a few years ago
[15:27:28] <CaptHindsight> I asked him if he was going to make any more extrusions in different profiles with the guides for cam bearings
[15:28:50] <CaptHindsight> I thought his head was going to explode
[15:29:54] <Crom_> one of those don't muddle with their preconcieved notions people? The world is flat...
[15:30:11] <CaptHindsight> nah wood grain
[15:30:57] <kyle___> think i might go to next year's makerfaire in san mateo
[15:31:30] <Crom_> hmm I might try to talk the wife into going too
[15:31:45] <kyle___> pretty sure half my company will be there, heh
[15:32:29] <Crom_> we could Bart it from Richmond
[15:32:50] <CaptHindsight> there must be a skateboard router made from skateboards
[15:33:03] <kyle___> that's a looooong bart ride, Crom_
[15:33:08] <Crom_> they'll probably have shuttles from the station to the faire
[15:33:22] <kyle___> you could hop bart to caltrain at millbrae
[15:33:22] <Crom_> better than driving
[15:33:26] <Lowridah> eh
[15:33:31] <Lowridah> skateboards have concave/convex
[15:33:39] <kyle___> lol, when i first moved here i lived on a friend's couch in berkeley for two weeks
[15:33:42] <Lowridah> you don't route them unless you want a shitty board with no flex or dynamics
[15:33:45] <kyle___> what a painful commute that was
[15:33:50] <Lowridah> they're laminated and bent, not routed.
[15:34:12] <kyle___> Lowridah, we were talking about openbuild's propensity for using delrin wheels on alum extrusions as linear guides
[15:34:14] <Lowridah> unless you mean cutting the blanks to bend
[15:34:16] <Crom_> hmm may....
[15:34:35] <Lowridah> kyle___: why not though, 608 bearings are cheap and ubiquitous
[15:34:51] <Lowridah> i have a drawer full of them and only 1/4 of the time do they end up in a skateboard
[15:34:55] <kyle___> lol, well
[15:35:02] <kyle___> a cnc router with that though?
[15:35:10] <Crom_> most of mine came out of skateboards
[15:35:19] <CaptHindsight> sounds like overbuilding again
[15:35:23] <Crom_> and inline skates
[15:35:25] <kyle___> i don't know, the delrin wheels aren't that big of a deal
[15:35:41] <CaptHindsight> whats the line between over and under-building?
[15:36:27] <Lowridah> do it work?
[15:36:34] <Lowridah> did you spend too much?
[15:36:49] <Crom_> underbuilding it falls apart or can't keep the biggest tollerance... overbuilt is hard to quantify
[15:37:05] <Lowridah> i mean, i wouldn't build a router out of skateboard parts and delrin v-rollers if it was porting a head for a car
[15:37:14] <Lowridah> if it's cutting out wooden boxes for xmas gifts then why the hell not
[15:37:23] <CaptHindsight> https://www.build.com/hafele-940-55-000/s386005 single axis linear bearing kit
[15:37:46] <Lowridah> shapeoko3 is a good example of bearings and delrin rollers and really good rigidity
[15:37:51] <Lowridah> until you get to the z axis
[15:38:17] <kyle___> i might actually take the laser out of this k40 and build something out of alum extrusions and delrin wheels
[15:38:47] <Crom_> kyle___, that would work... since all your doing is moving mirror and lenses
[15:38:54] <kyle___> yeah
[15:39:11] <pink_vampire> hi
[15:39:18] <Crom_> hiya pink!
[15:39:22] <kyle___> hello
[15:39:43] <CaptHindsight> https://jet.com/product/detail/613ac57b78364f59a8f9d52d80069948 cam bearing track
[15:40:08] <Crom_> how goes hot rodding Subaru's?
[15:40:26] <CaptHindsight> er openmakerails
[15:40:27] <kyle___> aw man i don't wanna talk about cars
[15:40:38] <kyle___> i spent my new exhaust budget on this laser cutter
[15:40:43] <pink_vampire> hi]
[15:40:53] <pink_vampire> opps.
[15:40:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ping
[15:41:05] <Lowridah> laser cut an exhaust out of cardboard tubes
[15:41:16] <Lowridah> you could pie cut it like the fancy japanese tuners do
[15:41:25] <Crom_> just watched a Jay Leno's garage last night.. BMW motorcycle head on a 970cc mini minor engine. and a turbo, and a fully balance crank shaft putting out 370hp!
[15:42:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/building-materials/struts-and-framing/8020/2211-door-slide-track-profile heavy duty openmakerailframing
[15:42:43] <Crom_> Bonneville record holder... 170mph <=1 litre engine
[15:43:05] <Lowridah> beats my 66.6cc scooter that is hard pressed to hit 60mph
[15:43:18] <Lowridah> actually for specific output to speed maybe not hehe
[15:43:41] <CaptHindsight> look at all this stuff I'm inventing today
[15:43:52] <Crom_> Lowridah, wear leather and schrunch down more... less wind resistance
[15:44:31] <Crom_> CaptHindsight, I was in tractor supply last winter looking at stuff like that
[15:45:01] <Lowridah> leather doesn't go well wiht my no helmet, flip flops and tank top
[15:45:07] <Lowridah> jk
[15:45:09] <CaptHindsight> Crom_: impossible, I just invented it
[15:45:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.woodworkerexpress.com/Plastic-Upper-Guide-and-Lower-Track-Set-for-1-2-By-Passing-Doors-Upper-Size-1-3-8-W-x-1-2-H-x-60-L-Lower-Size-1-3-8-W-x-5-16-H-x-60-L-Tan-Finish.html low budget version
[15:45:39] <Crom_> hm did I take a picture...
[15:45:56] <pink_vampire> what is the topic?
[15:47:07] <miss0r> being as lazy as me, is expensive... *sigh* Instead of using too many hours building a new spindle for this shitty 3-axis wood router. I just went ahead and bought a dewalt D26204K. 500$
[15:47:08] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[15:47:21] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[15:47:25] <miss0r> But that being said: The quality of this dewalt machine is very nice :)
[15:47:27] <XXCoder> whats up?
[15:47:40] <pink_vampire> how it's going on with your cnc machine?
[15:47:48] <pink_vampire> I'm ok..
[15:47:55] <miss0r> Yeah, XXCoder we need an update :)
[15:48:03] <pink_vampire> not doing much
[15:48:25] <XXCoder> not much, still trying to figure what to dop
[15:49:06] <miss0r> I'm good at comming up with ideas. but I am quite horrible at realizing them. just ask me ;P
[15:49:15] <Crom_> hehe
[15:49:28] <pink_vampire> just mount it
[15:49:41] <Crom_> I was thinking about thinking about putting the MKS SBase board into the K40
[15:50:11] <XXCoder> no, I want real spindle that dont fit my cnc router, still waiting to hear from aliexpress seller see if can buy just z block
[15:50:35] <XXCoder> converting my cnc rputer from 43mm to 52mm spindle holder
[15:50:35] <miss0r> XXCoder: The offer of me machining you one still stands.
[15:50:59] <kyle___> i wonder if i could iteratively build a cnc mill capable of milling a small engine
[15:51:28] <kyle___> starting from my crappy laser cutter
[15:52:09] <miss0r> kyle___ without a mill that task sounds pretty insane :) unless tolerences are not a consern :)
[15:52:18] <andypugh> kyle___: Yes
[15:52:36] <Crom_> probably... laser cut thin plywood to make beams using the makerbot tab and t cut for a nut and scre to hold things together
[15:52:37] <XXCoder> miss0r: more than one mill, first crude mill to make better mill
[15:52:44] <kyle___> ^
[15:52:52] <XXCoder> then better mill makes one strong enough to mill metals for engine
[15:53:32] <andypugh> I might be wrong, but I don’t think mills had been invented when the first engines were made
[15:53:34] <miss0r> yeah. I'm guessing he wants a 5-axis cnc mill, that can handle the task of generating a highpower racing engine from a solid peice of titanium :)
[15:53:45] <kyle___> you could get there, heh
[15:53:49] <Crom_> start collecting dead lawn mower engines for AL to cast parts from
[15:54:35] <Crom_> then you can start working on a forge furnace to melt cast iron
[15:54:37] <kyle___> to build a simple two-stroke you'd really only need a 3 axis mill and maybe something to bore out the cylinder
[15:54:55] <miss0r> XXCoder: I would actualy love to machine you the z-axis part for free, if you cover what ever the shipment might be here from Denmark
[15:54:57] <XXCoder> or setup many partities, have them bring soda drinks, charge for partities, you will evenually have tons soda cans for me;ting AND more money for cnc parts heh
[15:55:14] <XXCoder> miss yeah will check evenually though
[15:55:21] <kyle___> XXCoder, i've got one better
[15:55:30] <kyle___> i get free cans of soda from work
[15:55:34] <Crom_> AL in cans is ment for drawinging not casting
[15:55:39] <miss0r> whats with this 'miss' short for my name ^^
[15:55:40] <Lowridah> i want one of those k40s but i'm scared of lasers
[15:55:59] <kyle___> i could just start gathering them from the recycling bins, we go through a disturbing amount
[15:56:05] <XXCoder> mis sorry tend to shorten when want talk to person without dinging
[15:56:12] <miss0r> ... heh
[15:56:24] <andypugh> I play around in the very-old engine game. I was planning to help a friend re-create a 1908 engine from scratch, but then this happened:
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13636-1908-Dennis-Truck&p=453664#post453664
[15:56:46] <kyle___> damn nice
[15:57:42] <miss0r> kyle___ What size engine are we talking? 'cause I have a half-complete 5-axis cnc build laying around here. you could probally use it to build a 5cc engine :)
[15:58:20] <cradek> > missing crankcase, sump and crankshaft but also the cylinder block
[15:58:23] <cradek> just some minor parts there
[15:58:32] <kyle___> lol, how about a 5cc then?
[15:58:50] <kyle___> i'm mostly into the cnc thing because i want a faster way to build rc planes...
[15:59:12] <andypugh> cradek: Read on :-)
[15:59:13] <miss0r> okay, perhaps its 1/3 done :) but still
[16:00:51] <malcom2073_> Fastest way to build RC planes is to get someone else to CNC the parts for ya :p
[16:02:07] <miss0r> hehe. well, I just spend a fortune to upgrade this free x-carve, so I can build my 18" sub case for my home cinema... So the fastest way is not always the road to take
[16:02:19] <miss0r> err, not for me atleast. if I did everything the fastest way I would have no fun.
[16:03:01] <malcom2073_> Bingo!
[16:03:58] <miss0r> ?bingo what?
[16:04:28] <SpeedEvil> why do you need an x-carve to build a sub case?
[16:05:47] <miss0r> SpeedEvil I realy dont. I can just manage a solution that would be waaay to complicated to do by hand. or atleast too time consuming
[16:06:04] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:06:41] <miss0r> Doing it with visible finger joints, and some very sophisticated inner supports
[16:06:44] <andypugh> cradek: I (and other friends) helped him put the engine in the chassis last weekend. It just dropped in and all the mounts lined up. It was _brilliant_. I helped him drag the chassis out from under the house that had been built round it back in 2007.
[16:07:06] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: ah
[16:08:17] <miss0r> one thing I did not consider when buying the DeWalt router - it only comes with an 8mm collect. I just had to order a 6mm one from the UK
[16:08:40] <cradek> andypugh: amazing. I was expecting you'd find the serial numbers all matched, or something
[16:08:52] <cradek> it's pretty close to that lucky
[16:10:08] <andypugh> cradek: No, unfortunately not. But that’s not all bad, as part of one of the engine mounts was still on the chassis. It would have been amazing to find that the fracture surfaces lined up, but a very difficult reapir.
[16:10:14] <andypugh> (repair)
[16:11:19] <andypugh> The metal in these early aluminium crank-cases is high in magnesium, high in oil and high in air. All attempts at welding have failed.
[16:11:21] <JT-Shop> malcom2073_: just get a foamie
[16:11:28] <cradek> yikes
[16:12:04] <kyle___> lol, i can laser cut foamboard now so that's totally do-able
[16:12:07] <andypugh> (and I know of several attempts at weld repairs, which a=have sought out very skilled welders)
[16:12:20] <kyle___> then again, i want to make new designs, so the ability to quickly prototype and tweak designs is a huge plus
[16:12:43] <miss0r> kyle___ But only in 2D, right?
[16:12:49] <kyle___> yeah
[16:13:08] <miss0r> Well, I guess it is still doable, if you cut sheets 0.01mm thick and stack them properly :)
[16:13:14] <kyle___> nah, you fold them
[16:13:16] <andypugh> cradek: If you have the time, starting at post number 1 might not be the worst of all plans
[16:13:23] <kyle___> you can cut halfway through to get a nice score line
[16:13:41] <miss0r> ahh indeed :)
[16:13:42] <JT-Shop> I wish I had a photo on the computer of the Trike-It I designed some years ago...
[16:13:50] <kyle___> and with the right foamboard you can separate the paper from the foam really easily, so you cut a channel and then you can fold it over and have unbroken paper on one side
[16:14:02] <kyle___> most of the strength comes from the tension of the paper so it works out reeeally nicely
[16:14:21] <kyle___> http://forum.flitetest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7041&d=1354762180&thumb=1
[16:14:25] <JT-Shop> use epp foam
[16:14:34] <miss0r> kyle___ If casting is what you want to do, you can get a long way with a cheap cnc mill, to do foam/wood for the casting form
[16:14:49] <kyle___> ah yeah
[16:15:09] <kyle___> you could also mill out some foam chunks and use them to make a sand mold
[16:15:22] <miss0r> exactly my point :)
[16:15:31] <kyle___> oh right :P
[16:15:34] <cradek> andypugh: bookmarked, for another day
[16:15:39] <kyle___> you didn't mean make a negative out of it
[16:15:40] <miss0r> But you would still need a proper mill/lathe to do the right bores'n stuff after the cast
[16:15:50] <kyle___> totally, yeah
[16:15:53] <Crom_> not seeing a 6mm collet for the dewalt D26204K
[16:16:03] <cradek> andypugh: oh I remember looking at the beginning of this long ago!
[16:16:27] <miss0r> Crom_
http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Dewalt-DE6950-Replacement-Router-Collet---6mm__p-37289.aspx
[16:17:03] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: you have checked that it's not a ER* or similar?
[16:17:35] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: yeah. i've tried a few different ones I have laying around. not nearly as steep
[16:18:58] <miss0r> anyway. Figuering out I have something that fits at this point would just be annoying, as i've already payed for the one in the link
[16:20:11] <Crom_> looks like for the DW609 DW621 D26204k your only choices are 6, 1/4", 8mm
[16:20:14] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:20:24] <XXCoder> too bad my dewalt edge trimmer dont fit, or it'd be good enough, having range of 3k to 10k rpm
[16:20:47] <miss0r> XXCoder How many watts?
[16:21:47] <Crom_> been thinking about taking my 200w spindle and using it to power my oster hair clipper...
[16:21:49] <XXCoder> my chinese grinder is 500w
[16:21:52] <andypugh> cradek: Well, now it looks like a vehicle, partly.
[16:22:25] <Crom_> the tuning fork style clippers really suck... I really love the rotary motor ones
[16:22:32] <miss0r> XXCoder please keep in mind grinders hardly ever have bearings suitable for milling
[16:22:36] <andypugh> We also put the flat-bed on his 1914:
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?47662-1914-Dennis-Lorry&p=475242#post475242
[16:23:07] <XXCoder> mis yeah it was just short term before I could use 52mm. lol 27k was too fast so I couldnt do anything really
[16:23:32] <Crom_> wooo
https://www.amazon.com/OSTER-Classic-Universal-Clipper-76076010/dp/B00070E8LA
[16:23:34] <miss0r> XXCoder as this will only cut wood, I will run at 27k rpm all the time :)
[16:24:00] <XXCoder> I tried that it keeps rubbing and burning wood?
[16:24:15] <miss0r> Then you need to speed up the feedrate
[16:24:23] <yasnak> anyone know anything about thermal printers? need to buy a decent label maker for the tool room. need to begin the amazing process of lot control for tooling... :/
[16:24:24] <miss0r> I run 27k rpm at 2700mm/min.
[16:24:36] <XXCoder> regular wood?
[16:25:02] <Crom_> I'm thinking if I replace my current hi induction steppers with new lower induction motors I should be able to get more speed
[16:25:12] <XXCoder> making sure because I used paracleboard which probably have problems heh
[16:25:20] <miss0r> 0.025 fpt with a 4-flute cutter
[16:25:31] <miss0r> I am cutting plywood here
[16:25:38] <andypugh> Crom: Looks ideal if you grow cubic metres of beard per day, but otherwise slightly excessive for home use?
[16:26:37] <Crom_> I have an old one, 1950's we used it for 40 years... time for another
[16:26:41] <miss0r> XXCoder Stuff like MDF has issues too, as the glue compound in there has a nasty tendancy to heat up and harden
[16:26:49] <Deejay> gn8
[16:26:52] <miss0r> nn
[16:27:06] <XXCoder> hmm I see. I will try again with faster feed and stuff later then
[16:27:43] <miss0r> usualy it is reccomended to aim for 0.02 FPT in plywood and stuff of that hardness. but I like to go it a bit harder :)
[16:28:06] <XXCoder> I dont remember what I used
[16:28:17] <XXCoder> I think it was way too low though at 200 mm/m?
[16:29:03] <miss0r> that is realy slow in wood
[16:29:37] <Crom_> plus I have several heads for it already..
[16:29:42] <kyle___> heh, i have a crappy chinese dremel knock-off, think i could gear it down from 30k rpm and use it for a crude mill?
[16:29:47] <Crom_> the oster clipper
[16:30:12] <miss0r> kyle___ crude indeed :) dremel has shitty bearings. I would not reccomend it
[16:30:25] <kyle___> oh, i'm sure this has even shittier bearings
[16:30:33] <miss0r> XXCoder
https://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Hard%20Wood.pdf
[16:30:36] <kyle___> but if i surround the working area with thick acrylic what could go wrong
[16:30:59] <XXCoder> nice, thanks. well gonna go work
[16:31:32] <miss0r> XXCoder This one too:
http://www.pdsspindles.com/engineering-speeds
[16:31:35] <miss0r> have a good one
[16:31:38] <kyle___> i'm working!
[16:31:53] <XXCoder> im hardly working!
[16:31:56] <XXCoder> ;)
[16:31:58] <miss0r> i'm thinking of heading to bed... its 11 in the evening here
[16:31:59] <miss0r> :)
[16:32:05] <XXCoder> thanks again, goging
[16:32:06] <kyle___> it's just that it takes 40 minutes for a full build per platform and i have 4 platforms left...
[16:32:21] <miss0r> what're you building?
[16:32:28] <kyle___> roblox
[16:32:35] <kyle___> software :P
[16:33:19] <Crom_> last night was the first time in a month I got to bed before midnight
[16:33:21] <miss0r> :) well, i'm an electrician. I design and build industrial machine installations.
[16:33:46] <andypugh> miss0r: Which timezone is that?
[16:34:04] <miss0r> Crom_ I have a wife and kid, the evening when they've gone to bed is where the magic in my shop happens. 2 in the morning is not unusual
[16:34:13] <miss0r> andypugh +1
[16:34:13] <kyle___> sounds more fun, miss0r
[16:34:35] <kyle___> can't wait to start night classes and finish my aerospace engineering degree, silicon valley life is not for me
[16:34:39] <andypugh> Ignore that, I forgot the direction timezones happen :-) I thought you must be west of GMT :-)
[16:34:47] <miss0r> kyle___ I can be. I am thinking of changing profession somewhat. Getting a nice deskjob only coding PLCs
[16:35:18] <kyle___> trade? hah
[16:35:38] <miss0r> I forget, When I'm on here at this hour, most of you are from the states.
[16:35:53] <miss0r> kyle___ Can I bring your job to Denmark ? :)
[16:36:05] <kyle___> lol, probably not
[16:36:12] <miss0r> Then - No trade.
[16:36:20] <kyle___> if I could get my company to move out of california I'd stay here forever
[16:36:24] <Crom_> andypugh, kyle___ heh going for a job in seatle or wichita?
[16:36:40] <kyle___> kansas is a no-go for me
[16:36:51] <kyle___> was thinking orlando, fl at lockheed martin...
[16:37:40] <andypugh> I am working mainly in Turkey at the moment.
[16:37:44] <Crom_> the Brazillian company in FL too...
[16:37:55] <miss0r> if I ever were to move to the US i'd consider one of two extremes: Altaska or Texas. Atlaska because 'fuck society" and Texas because I could legally own a .50 cal anti material rifle.
[16:38:03] <andypugh> (Which is actually perfecly pleasant. I like the place)
[16:38:16] <Crom_> miss0r, Nevada's good too
[16:38:26] <miss0r> too much sand :)
[16:38:47] <miss0r> I have a wicket tendancy to get that stuff in my underwear, if i'm within a mile of it
[16:38:51] <kyle___> my most recent experience with nevada was not great
[16:38:57] <malcom2073_> Too much sand? You don't know Texas them heh
[16:39:09] <miss0r> malcom2073_ Never said that I did :D
[16:39:23] <kyle___> movies don't tell you that northern nevada is all iced over in the winter...
[16:39:29] <andypugh> I flew through Dallas on the way back from Wichita. “Dallas” the TV series had me expecting desert. Dallas is surrounded by forest. I was surprised.
[16:39:43] <kyle___> heh, texas is huuuuuge
[16:39:51] <kyle___> lots of room for variation there
[16:39:51] <malcom2073_> Yeah Texas is fairly varied in terms of weather
[16:39:59] <miss0r> atlaska would probally be my choice, as anything hotter than 60f makes me melt
[16:40:18] <kyle___> if you like denmark you'd probably like kansas city in missouri, i think
[16:40:22] <malcom2073_> Lol, yeah you won't find a place that stays below that in the lower 48
[16:40:26] <kyle___> bit too hot for you in the summer though
[16:40:49] <malcom2073_> Though arts of Alaska get in the mid 70's once a year
[16:41:09] <miss0r> I guess I can handle 70 for a few minuts :P
[16:41:25] <malcom2073_> And -70 for the rest :D
[16:41:40] <miss0r> I don't realy like cities at all. My nearest neighboor is a horse. the nearest human is 2 miles away. I like it that way
[16:41:42] <andypugh> 27C in my house in the UK, and 64% humidity. Turkey was genuiniely more pleasant.
[16:41:53] <miss0r> I work in the city every day, just glad I don't live there anymore
[16:41:59] <kyle___> miss0r, that's why i recommended kansas city :P
[16:42:06] <miss0r> ^^
[16:42:10] <kyle___> i grew up half on a farm, half in a suburb
[16:42:32] <enleth> andypugh: it helps if you're a fan of turkish food
[16:42:58] <andypugh> I am vegetarian, Turkey works a lot better than Spain
[16:42:59] <miss0r> I grew up in the suburbs as well. I would probally still live there if I could afford it. I 'could' afford it, but I wouldn't have such a nice house, as the prices explode closer to the city
[16:44:09] <miss0r> kyle___: I bought my house for 200k usd, which is something like the cheapest you can do in denmark, unless its a complete wreck
[16:44:13] <andypugh> enleth: That’s part of the reason I am fairly happy to work there, 10 days in a hotel and I didn’t have to loop round the menu a second time.
[16:44:18] <kyle___> could be worse
[16:44:31] <kyle___> i have no hope of ever buying a house here, they start at a million usd
[16:44:41] <kyle___> back in KC you can get a very nice house in the suburbs for 120k usd
[16:44:44] <enleth> andypugh: oh well, I guess that's right, they do have some very nice vegetarian dishes, although I am a fan of turkish (and arab) cuisine because of how they prepare meats
[16:45:04] <miss0r> indeed. a simular house - say 30 miles outside of copenhagen, i.e. the suburbs - would be something like 900k usd
[16:45:14] <enleth> andypugh: tried the gavirdagi salad yet?
[16:45:18] <kyle___> yikes
[16:45:19] <enleth> *gavurdagi
[16:45:32] <kyle___> housing markets around large cities are in a scary state right now
[16:45:32] <andypugh> Whereas I think that Halal slaughtering should be banned outright.
[16:45:38] <miss0r> don't get me started on the inner city. A house there is easily three times that
[16:45:45] <kyle___> yep
[16:45:57] <kyle___> and i mean, that's fine, you have to really want to live there for that
[16:46:22] <kyle___> but the bay area has this peculiar issue of being built around a bay, so it's not like you can sacrifice commute time for a reasonable price
[16:46:26] <miss0r> that and I am in the happy situation, in Denmark you live in a "city" or "outside a city". which is what I do.
[16:46:30] <kyle___> the reasonable prices don't start until you're 3 hours away
[16:46:42] <miss0r> very different: Alot less restrictions on what I can do and cannot do
[16:46:47] <enleth> andypugh: I couldn't give two camel shits about a specific way of slaughter, I'm opposed to that as well, what I like is how they prepare the meat when it's already dead
[16:46:51] <kyle___> absolutely
[16:47:04] <kyle___> i have fond memories of shooting very large guns at my grandparents farm
[16:47:18] <miss0r> I wish I could do that. We have 0 guns here.
[16:47:23] <kyle___> there was one shotgun that almost knocked 12 year old me on my ass
[16:47:36] <miss0r> I mean, some of the bad guys do, and the policy do to. but other than that, theres not much of that
[16:47:39] <kyle___> yeah
[16:48:05] <kyle___> i don't think that guns being common really leads to more violence, just more gun violence
[16:48:16] <kyle___> but that's a deep rabbit hole :P
[16:48:38] <miss0r> bay area... hehe yeah. In denmark - a house near the sea is just masively expensive... like it is ridiculous. I would take the view of a greef field and forest anyday over that
[16:48:44] <andypugh> kyle___: Shooting very large guns at your grandparents farm might not have pleased your grandparesnts, if they were at home :-)
[16:48:52] <miss0r> greef=green
[16:49:09] <kyle___> haha, andypugh, they were their own guns
[16:49:31] <kyle___> there wasn't really any farm aspect left to it, just lots of land
[16:49:49] <enleth> andypugh: they managed to take some of the fattiest meats out there and prepare them in a way that hides the fattiness, which is completely different from the european way of preparing fatty meats (that's why I don't like spanish or french meat dishes, too much fat left in there)
[16:49:50] <miss0r> that is beautiful... "its good to own land"
[16:50:10] <kyle___> that's my dream
[16:50:15] <miss0r> I get that.
[16:50:22] <kyle___> my girlfriend wants to live in a city though. might have to get a new one.
[16:50:45] <miss0r> well, the only reason I don't live on some secluded island, is my wife.
[16:51:06] <enleth> andypugh: it is, however, pretty interesting that they also invented hummus and falafel, the latter pretty much replacing meat in most dishes with very nice results, while such traditional "meat replacements" are mostly unknown in Europe
[16:51:08] <kyle___> gotta compromise somewhere
[16:51:12] <miss0r> Where we live is the fartest she wanted to get away
[16:51:23] <andypugh> kyle___: I was playing with the imprecision of the english language. The way that there is not much difference between “shooting at the farm” and “shooting whilst at the farm"
[16:51:27] <enleth> andypugh: outside of the 20th century, I mean - we have them now, they had falafel for thousands of years
[16:51:40] <kyle___> true true andypugh
[16:51:41] <miss0r> I mean, she can bike to the trainstation (5 mins only) and then ride the train for 40 mins, then she is in the center of copenhagen.
[16:52:01] <kyle___> technically i was too; the bullets and shot all hit the farm one way or another
[16:52:11] <miss0r> or, god forbid, she can take the car and be there in 35 mins
[16:52:49] <miss0r> I better stamp out. Have a good one people, i'll catch some sleep
[16:53:01] <andypugh> 45 minutes bike and train v 35 minutes car? I would take the train. You can live your life on the train. Driving is time out of your life.
[16:53:07] <kyle___> see ya miss0r
[16:53:47] <enleth> andypugh: anyway go get a gavurdagi salad, being able to make it at home is the reason I learned to chop parsley properly
[16:53:49] <kyle___> hmph i wish that worked where i live
[16:54:03] <kyle___> $2400/month rent to live 10 minutes from work by car
[16:54:23] <kyle___> or $1800/month rent to live 45-70 minutes by car, no option of train or public transit of any sort
[16:54:53] <kyle___> or $2200/month rent to live 20 minutes away by train while the train monthly pass is $120
[16:55:53] <enleth> kyle___: heh, a friend working at Google in Dublin rents an apartment across the street from the office for some absolutely exorbitant price because he hated living in the far suburbs before
[16:56:12] <andypugh> Yikes! I pay £650/month mortgage for my house 30 mins from London, and it’s a 25min cycle ride to work.
[16:56:17] <enleth> but he can only manage to pay for it because his girlfriend also works for Google
[16:56:21] <kyle___> nice
[16:56:26] <andypugh> And London is meant to be expensive!
[16:56:38] <kyle___> i just wish i had that option :( this place is surrounded by ocean and mountains on all sides
[16:56:52] <andypugh> kyle___: That sounds _awful_ :-)
[16:56:56] <kyle___> it is
[16:57:12] <kyle___> no one here can understand why i want to move back to kansas city for some reason... :P
[16:57:23] <andypugh> Nor can I :)
[16:58:49] <andypugh> (I do live in a fairly “rough” area just to keep prices affordable, but I was brought up in one, so that’s OK with me)
[17:00:06] <kyle___> argh, even the rough area (one of the most dangerous cities in the US) is expensive!
[17:00:50] <Crom_> I'd go back to sedalia or warrenburg... not KC though
[17:00:51] <andypugh> I want to live here:
https://goo.gl/maps/5uFbcu5npCP2 Just need to keep my mum alive tlll I retire.
[17:01:14] <kyle___> pretty area
[17:01:24] <kyle___> sedalia's too small and isolated for me, Crom_
[17:01:40] <andypugh> Indeed, and that’s the house we rebuilt peeking into the right-hand margin
[17:02:07] <kyle___> i think the western suburbs of KC were pretty much perfect; individually they're like sedalia, but they have the added bonus of having KC and all of its usefulness being 10 minutes down the highway
[17:04:48] <Crom_> this where I want to retire
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.3887576,-120.8541478,3a,75y,61.67h,86.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1iUnlcxAM9_JcfFAtbCzSQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
[17:05:26] <kyle___> that looks nice
[17:05:55] <Crom_> it's paid for... needs a bunch of repairs and a kitchen remodel
[17:08:04] <dioz> any welders?
[17:09:27] <Crom_> I want to raze the garage and storage room and rebuild it bigger... come forward another 8 ft and have the storage room be even with the front of the garage.
[17:09:36] <Crom_> dioz, what's up?
[17:10:18] <andypugh> dioz: I have occasionally comitted welding
[17:10:29] <Crom_> I can make things stick together.. using mig, tig, stick, brasing, and soldering
[17:13:06] <Crom_> brazing sp?
[17:14:34] <kyle___> i can solder sometimes, that's about it
[17:18:30] <Crom_> cq cq ve7it de kf6pqz
[17:18:52] <Crom_> sometimes I think psk31 is faster than irc
[17:30:09] <nubcake> Crom_: i checked the vfd board we talked about 2 days ago, it reads FD-A-V2 | 2016-03-06 - i have no idea if it helps, tried to google it.. nothing
[17:30:27] <nubcake> https://ibin.co/2urdPdIntPqN.jpg this the photo of the board
[17:33:28] <Crom_> yeah I didn't find anything that looked close to it.
[17:35:16] <nubcake> Crom_ ok, didn't want to bother you, just letting you know. i'll try to get in touch with the seller (Which is very unlikely to get a response from...)
[17:35:42] <Crom_> no biggy.. just sitting here wasting time...
[17:36:22] <nubcake> lol same here, about to go to bed in few minutes.. 00:08 here
[17:37:14] <nubcake> didn't manage to get the steppers working either, just not enough time during weekdays :( maybe i'll get it done by sunday
[17:48:05] <Crom_> Black Rifles Matter, there's a movement I could go for
[17:50:12] <ve7it> Crom, kf6pqz de ve7it, sry, was literally reading the mail
[17:50:37] <Crom_> hehe... I left the house before the mail showed up...
[17:51:08] <Crom_> I could hear the mail carrier next block over...
[17:51:34] <ve7it> from the call, I assume you are in California although the fcc seems to have mucked up that system in the last 30 years
[17:52:05] <Crom_> been thinking of a way to use an arduino to be a code reader and sender using a bluetooth kb
[17:52:24] <Crom_> yep, got my license in '98 up in Vacaville
[17:54:02] <Crom_> upgraded to general earlier this year
[17:54:06] <ve7it> yea... I have been wanting to make a small tnc using an stn32f4xx board
[17:54:54] <ve7it> I am an oldtimer... got my license in the early 70's when in high school
[17:55:07] <Crom_> need to fire up my d7 again... get it doing aprs again
[17:55:13] <pfred1> I let my friends drive me around
[17:55:27] <pfred1> I didn't get a license until I was 21
[17:55:46] <Crom_> I have a bt of dislexia.. I could get up to 17 letters in code then I'd learn one, drop one
[17:56:09] <Crom_> pfred1, ham radio license
[17:56:20] <pfred1> oh ham radio
[17:56:26] <pfred1> I was never interested i nthat
[17:56:51] <pfred1> way back my friends all went in for the CB radio craze
[17:57:17] <pfred1> you know back in the mid 70s?
[17:57:34] <pfred1> when CBs only had 23 channels
[17:57:46] <ve7it> always liked the radio/computer combination
[17:58:05] <pfred1> no one had a PC back then it hadn't evne been invented yet
[17:58:15] <Crom_> heh I have a deskmodel 23 channel panasonic cb radio in the garage
[17:58:22] <pfred1> computers were things behind glass walls
[17:58:42] <Crom_> you could get an altair in '75
[17:59:00] <pfred1> yeah and what could they do?
[17:59:19] <ve7it> I built an Imsaii (altair clone) in 75/76
[17:59:20] <pfred1> they had LED output
[17:59:24] <gonzo_> is that CB in the US, or when it was pirate in the UK?
[17:59:32] <Crom_> lots... though most only had 1 to 4K of ram
[17:59:46] <pfred1> lots that few were interested in
[17:59:51] <ve7it> back when cb's has channel crystals
[18:00:33] <pfred1> in high school I knew some rich kids that had Apple ][s
[18:01:03] <pfred1> one of those kids went on to work for Cray computers
[18:01:15] <Crom_> I was working on a Z80 board to drive K tronic injectors instead of the bosch computer
[18:01:35] <pfred1> I built a Z-80 computer on a breadboard
[18:01:40] <nubcake> good night everyone
[18:01:44] * nubcake wanders off to bed
[18:01:53] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/yuJeZC3.jpg
[18:02:05] <Crom_> one of my high school buddies, his dad wrote PL1 for the most part and part of the team that got time share working
[18:02:25] <pfred1> Dennis Ritchie went to my high school
[18:02:33] <Crom_> he's been working in LA or Silicon valley since back in the day..
[18:02:34] <pfred1> he wrote C and UNIX
[18:03:02] <Crom_> nice..
[18:03:14] <pfred1> the guy that made the first working transistor was living in my home town when he did that too but that was a bit before my time
[18:03:32] * pfred1 obviously grew up next door to Bell Labs
[18:03:49] <Crom_> Schlotski or how ever you spell it
[18:04:07] <pfred1> nah who you're thinking of wasn't the physical experimenter in the group
[18:04:23] <pfred1> Schokley
[18:04:41] <pfred1> the physical experimenter's name was walter Brattain
[18:04:55] <pfred1> he's the guy that actually physically assembled the hardware
[18:05:11] <pfred1> he lived in my home town when he did that
[18:05:33] <pfred1> back in 1948
[18:05:52] <pfred1> but he was born in China
[18:06:22] <pfred1> although he wasn't Chinese
[18:06:52] <pfred1> but Dennis grew up in my home town
[18:07:05] <pfred1> I used to see him around a lot too
[18:07:57] <CaptHindsight> cq cq cq dx cq dx
[18:08:54] <Crom_> I ran into General Le May one time in Morro Bay
[18:09:00] <pfred1> I'm so excited I got flatcam working here
[18:09:25] <pfred1> I ran into Janis Joplin's manager once
[18:09:50] <pfred1> the whole time I was talking to him i had the impression that I'd seen him before
[18:10:12] <pfred1> but I didn't find out intil afterwards who he was
[18:10:49] <pfred1> for a little while James Earl Jones was living in my home town too
[18:10:59] <pfred1> I'd see him walking up the street
[18:11:14] <pfred1> I never bothered him though
[18:11:43] <pfred1> once I saw Mick Jagger in the city
[18:12:12] <pfred1> it had to be him he had this huge enterouge of people around him
[18:12:37] <pfred1> like 20 people following him around
[18:12:51] <pfred1> can you imagine living like that?
[18:13:10] <pfred1> 3 people must go in the bathreeom with him when he goes to take a shit
[18:13:25] <SpeedEvil> One to wipe up, one down, and the last polishes
[18:13:36] <pfred1> pretty much
[18:14:17] <pfred1> we were across the street from Electric Ladyland Studio
[18:14:23] <pfred1> on 9th St.
[18:14:49] <pfred1> I had just come up out of the Path station and there he was on the sidewalk
[18:16:55] <pfred1> I think i figured out what was going wrong with my controller PC over here
[18:17:01] <Crom_> my mum first lived in Princeton when she came to the states
[18:17:11] <pfred1> she met Einstein?
[18:17:24] <Crom_> wrong department
[18:18:04] <pfred1> he lived in Princeton
[18:18:18] <Crom_> she was the nanny for Violet and Cyril Franks
[18:18:27] <pfred1> who were they?
[18:18:33] <Crom_> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiHh_3v-I_PAhVD0WMKHRSQCM0QFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apa.org%2Fapf%2Ffunding%2Ffranks.aspx&usg=AFQjCNGQcCXJOFZggUlfv7yL2GpuOpS3oA&sig2=RXMGBfZ2vzRKYUkT8thovg
[18:19:10] <pfred1> ah they were crazy people?
[18:19:33] * pfred1 is probably crazy
[18:19:37] <Crom_> world class crazies yep
[18:19:54] <pfred1> yeah I'm not world class by any stretch
[18:19:55] <Crom_> I loved them great people
[18:20:23] <Crom_> Cyril just passed last year... :(
[18:20:48] <pfred1> one of my friends grandfathers was a big wig on the Manhattan Project
[18:21:25] <pfred1> in their family's junk they had a apperweight this piece of green rock with a brass plaque in it that read, Soil fused in the first atomic explosion palo alto
[18:21:43] <Crom_> cool didn't know Sharrin moved to NZ
[18:21:46] <pfred1> they probably didn't give those out to just anyone
[18:21:55] <kyle___> that is awesome
[18:22:39] <pfred1> he was in Who's Who
[18:22:58] <pfred1> which is for those semi famous people that you just want to know why they're famous
[18:23:27] <Crom_> I need to get back to Bloomington, IN to see Violet
[18:23:40] <pfred1> I never been out west
[18:24:01] <pfred1> it seems kind of bland to me
[18:24:23] <Crom_> I've been west around the world, only east to memphis and east saint loius
[18:25:04] <pfred1> furthese west I ever was was someplace in Alabama
[18:25:40] <Crom_> kinda boring except for right on the coast. further north you get the better it gets.. anything north of redding or My Shasta is great
[18:25:43] <pfred1> I don't like to travel very much
[18:25:47] <Crom_> kinda boring except for right on the coast. further north you get the better it gets.. anything north of redding or Mt Shasta is great
[18:26:08] <pfred1> I don't care for Californians either
[18:26:17] <pfred1> they're too holoer than thou
[18:26:22] <pfred1> holier even
[18:26:28] <Crom_> I'm half nebrashkin and 1/2 english
[18:26:41] <pfred1> Nebraska now there's a place
[18:26:59] <Crom_> Scotts bluff end, not lincoln end
[18:27:00] <pfred1> gets cold there
[18:27:10] <Crom_> yep, very
[18:27:28] <pfred1> yeah I think the forst night I sent there at 40 below would be my last
[18:27:36] <pfred1> spent even
[18:28:00] <pfred1> then again a good excuse not to go outside too
[18:29:36] <Crom_> lowest I've ever been in is -30 in MO, it was -50 onetime I was in Anchorage, AK though I wasn'y outside at all
[18:30:13] <Crom_> poor bastards working on the 747 though..... sheeshz....
[18:30:51] <pfred1> I think -9F was the coldest I've ever been in
[18:30:51] <Crom_> lost a alerion valve coming into land... stuck there 8 hours
[18:31:15] <pfred1> that was cold enough
[18:31:18] <pfred1> too cold
[18:31:22] <Crom_> that's not too bad...
[18:31:30] <pfred1> oh yes it is
[18:31:38] <pfred1> it'll kill ya
[18:32:59] <Crom_> true... bunny boots, parka, parka pants.... it wasn't too bad to be in... -30F even wth parka, parka pants bunnie boots it was cold
[18:34:25] <kyle___> hmmm so what if i laser-cut templates out of plywood and used a router with a flush/tracing bit on aluminum?
[18:35:06] <kyle___> wouldn't work for much, but it could do structural plates for a crude cnc mill
[18:35:13] <pfred1> I don't like laser cut wood it gets all burnt up
[18:35:33] <kyle___> well yeah
[18:35:34] <pfred1> it kinda stinks
[18:35:45] <pfred1> you can only really laser the birch plywood too
[18:36:01] <pfred1> the other stuff smokes so bad it destroys optics
[18:36:26] <pfred1> even with an exhaust fan
[18:37:08] <kyle___> my choices are just pretty limited living in an apartment
[18:37:15] <kyle___> gotta get creative
[18:37:20] <kyle___> i'd have a bandsaw if i could, you know
[18:37:31] <pfred1> lasering plywood is like burning stuff
[18:37:52] <kyle___> that's why you use a laser cutter with a fume hood
[18:38:07] <pfred1> them fumes still have to go somewhere
[18:38:12] <kyle___> out the window
[18:38:19] * kyle___ shrugs
[18:38:45] <pfred1> yes that's pretty much when your neighbors will begin to smell it
[18:39:09] <kyle___> you can mitigate it to some extent with activated carbon filters
[18:39:31] <pfred1> hey they're your neighbors
[18:39:53] <pfred1> most peopel are assholes though which is why i live where I have no neighbors
[18:39:55] <kyle___> eh, i live in the back corner of the complex with almost no one around
[18:40:15] <kyle___> i could probably get away with the noise of a cnc mill during the day, even
[18:40:25] <kyle___> a small one anyway
[18:40:43] <kyle___> old 1940s military barracks happen to insulate noise pretty well
[18:40:43] <pfred1> I need a new spindle
[18:41:27] <pfred1> I have a router now and its loud I want it for me though, not my non-existant neighbors
[18:43:17] <kyle___> apparently if you're careful you can use a router on aluminum
[18:43:24] <kyle___> so my idea could work
[18:43:38] <pfred1> woodworking tools work on aluminum carbide ones
[18:43:44] <kyle___> yeah
[18:43:47] <CaptHindsight> careful?
[18:43:57] <kyle___> just gotta watch your bit, clogs up
[18:44:02] <pfred1> it is super loud though
[18:44:06] <kyle___> i bet
[18:44:23] <kyle___> routing doesn't seem like a great way to work with aluminum...
[18:44:39] <kyle___> i'd probably be better off laser cutting thicker delrin for plates
[18:44:42] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/nhr-carrier/NHR%20Carrier%20V5%2004.jpg
[18:44:46] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/nhr-carrier/NHR%20Carrier%20V5%2005.jpg
[18:44:48] <pfred1> probably not I've only ever used table saws with aluminum
[18:45:03] <pfred1> I have a real mill for milling metal
[18:45:47] <pfred1> ripping aluminum on my table saw is exceptionally loud too
[18:45:58] <pfred1> plus the chips are very hot
[18:46:04] <pfred1> wear long sleeves
[18:46:38] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: powder coated steel?
[18:46:42] <kyle___> nice
[18:47:41] <pfred1> peopel that do mill with their CNC routers say coolant helps a lot
[18:48:34] <Crom_> I really want a ac spindle with an ER20 collet not for the power so much and having it be quiter and being able to use up to 1/2 bits
[18:48:56] <pfred1> my mill has a weird collet
[18:48:59] <Crom_> s/and having/as having/
[18:49:12] <pfred1> it has an R8 spindle though so I could change my collet system
[18:49:18] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: yes
[18:50:00] <Crom_> R8 is nice... you can get ER adapters for just about every size.. ER11 through ER40
[18:50:13] <pfred1> I have a SYOZ 25 SHIN-YAIN Milling Chuck Set SYIC-83808
[18:50:38] <pfred1> yeah for metric collets I'm going to have to get a whole new one
[18:51:00] <pfred1> metric is gettign harder to stay away from these days too
[18:51:14] <pfred1> I just bought a whole bunch of dovetail mills and they all have metric shanks
[18:51:46] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/Yap1Lya.jpg
[18:51:49] <pfred1> i made the box
[18:52:22] <pfred1> but those bits were dirt cheap out of China they're OK
[18:52:35] <pfred1> I think i got all of them for $80?
[18:53:12] <pfred1> but the really cheap Chinese tooling is all metric
[18:53:54] <pfred1> so to get in on that I'm going to have to get a metric collet set
[18:54:08] <Crom_> nice you can go to 1"
[18:54:29] <pfred1> I have a 2 inch shell mill i run on my mill
[18:54:37] <pfred1> but it has its own shank
[18:55:08] <pfred1> bt yeah my collet set goes to 1"
[18:55:31] <tiwake> pfred1: maritool is really good
[18:55:31] <pfred1> it is kinda crappy tools get stuck in it
[18:55:50] <Crom_> 6,8,10,12,14,20,25mm
[18:56:07] <pfred1> I hate metric
[18:56:08] <Crom_> so 1/4" is a fudge as is 1/2"
[18:56:30] <pfred1> my router has a 6mm collet it ain't no 1/4"
[18:56:41] <pfred1> that .35mm makes a big difference
[18:56:56] <Crom_> if you got the SYIC-83818
[18:57:04] <pfred1> I need to get a real 1/4" collet for it
[18:57:30] <pfred1> eah there's ebtter SYIC collet sets I got the one Harbor Freight was selling
[18:57:43] <pfred1> I looked at it all online
[18:57:52] <pfred1> but i bought it before I was on the Internet
[18:57:52] <Crom_> I just ordered a 1/4" for my ER11
[18:58:33] <pfred1> I got it when i got my mill that was back in 93
[19:00:01] <pfred1> maybe 91?
[19:01:23] <pfred1> you can spend tons of money on machine tooling
[19:01:29] <pfred1> I know i could
[19:07:44] <Crom_> ooops... ok that's fixed... now there is money in the account for car insurance
[19:09:04] <Crom_> savings back down to $5.... I really hope the VA gets off their arse!!!!!
[19:27:46] <dioz> i wanna buy a tig welder that can do mild steel as well as aluminium for around $1000. specically 14-26 gauge mild steel (galv iron)
[19:27:57] <dioz> any suggestions on a rig?
[19:28:10] <dioz> specifically
[19:29:21] <dioz> http://www.everlastwelders.ca/tigwelders/powertig-185-dv.php
[19:29:24] <dioz> that is what i've come up with so far
[19:29:40] <Crom_> HMMM Good Question I'll be home in a bit... on the way I'll check on my phone
[19:31:54] <pfred1> I have a TIG welder
[19:32:02] <dioz> no way
[19:32:11] <dioz> is it a red or a blue?
[19:32:17] <pfred1> I have an old Miller EconoTIG
[19:32:20] <pfred1> blue
[19:32:48] <dioz> so more than likely it's scratch start
[19:32:50] <dioz> with no pulse
[19:32:53] <pfred1> nope
[19:32:54] <dioz> DC only?
[19:32:59] <pfred1> it has HF start
[19:33:05] <pfred1> AC/DC
[19:33:11] <pfred1> keep guessing
[19:33:20] <pfred1> it's a Miller
[19:33:24] <pfred1> it's a real machine
[19:33:26] * dioz looks around
[19:33:43] <pfred1> mp ficklognm ever;ast
[19:34:14] <pfred1> come back in 20 years and tell me how your everlast is lasting
[19:34:27] * dioz palms face
[19:40:19] <dioz> what do you weld with it pfred1 ?
[19:40:43] <dioz> btw your econotig isn't 20 years old either
[19:41:11] <pfred1> dioz yeah it is
[19:41:22] <pfred1> I bought it in 95
[19:42:15] <pfred1> I weld mild steel with it though I've welded copper and aluminum too
[19:43:20] <dioz> boats? cars? autoplanes?
[19:43:51] <kyle___> psh youtube tells me soldering is all you ever need to do with aluminum
[19:46:40] <dioz> i could see that
[19:55:45] <dioz> i got about 200 or so 9" x 6" "coupons"
[19:56:13] <dioz> mild steel
[19:56:18] <dioz> gonna try and give myself welder fever i think
[19:56:33] <Crom> yeah I'd go with a lincoln or miller welder... though Hypertherm for a plasma cutter has a certain appeal
[19:56:49] <dioz> why lincoln or miller?
[19:56:50] <pfred1> miller owns Lincoln now
[19:57:04] <dioz> how does miller own licoln?
[19:57:10] <pfred1> they bought the company
[20:01:21] <dioz> holy fuck
[20:01:47] <Crom> I have a mig 115 chinese welder... nothing but problems...
[20:01:49] <dioz> colloquialism
[20:02:00] <Crom> when did ITW buy lincoln?
[20:02:05] <pfred1> I have an italian MIG
[20:02:23] <pfred1> little 120V unit
[20:03:20] <pfred1> this is my pride and joy though
http://i.imgur.com/DqMDg.jpg
[20:03:40] <pfred1> that there is a complete Smiths burn outfit
[20:04:04] <pfred1> if yo ugotta ask what it costs then yo ucan't afford it
[20:04:19] <dioz> old n rusty
[20:04:27] <pfred1> no nust some soot
[20:04:31] <pfred1> just some soot
[20:04:46] <pfred1> car undercoating does that to a cutter
[20:05:03] <FloppyDisk525> there's a nice small miller tig for about $2500 (maybe less now), which one is that?
[20:05:06] <pfred1> I bought al lof that brand new from a supply house
[20:05:35] <dioz> bought some old rusty shit
[20:05:37] <Crom> just checked lincoln's web site.. There is no mention of them being bought by ITW
[20:05:55] <pfred1> well I heard they got bought out years ago
[20:06:10] <Crom> nope...
[20:06:13] <pfred1> but it is nothing they want to advertise
[20:06:49] <dioz> yo Crom
[20:06:54] <Crom> different officers different directors...
[20:06:54] <pfred1> the illusion of two mermier companies is better than one being a subsidiary of the other
[20:07:03] <dioz> can i weld coat hangers together?
[20:07:07] <pfred1> sure
[20:07:15] <Crom> dioz, yes
[20:07:18] <pfred1> coat hanger steel is brittle though
[20:07:27] <Crom> you can weld razor blades together
[20:07:43] <Crom> even brittler
[20:07:59] <pfred1> I've welded washers off of parallel port connectors
[20:08:05] <pfred1> those teeny tiny washers
[20:08:06] <dioz> i th ink i'mma get that everlast rig anyways
[20:08:16] <dioz> i'll let you know when it breaks
[20:08:36] <pfred1> it is beter than no welder
[20:08:48] <dioz> it isn't my primary profession either
[20:08:55] <pfred1> like washers for about 4040 screws
[20:08:59] <Crom> my dad has an old miller buzzbox A/C stick welder... that's what I learned on
[20:09:01] <pfred1> 4-40 even
[20:09:13] <dioz> i wanna do artsy fartsy kind of shit
[20:09:17] <dioz> so it needs to be pretty welds
[20:09:17] <pfred1> ah no tombstone?
[20:09:19] <dioz> thus tig
[20:09:36] <pfred1> you can make decent MIG beads
[20:09:44] <pfred1> MIG is way faster than TIG is too
[20:09:49] <pfred1> TIG is super slow
[20:10:15] <pfred1> that's teh big drawback of TIG its a slwo process
[20:10:21] <Crom> nope... I'm thinking a Lincoln AC/DC Stick/mig/tig 6010 port with HF
[20:10:36] <pfred1> yeah your best bet is to get the big PSU setup
[20:10:50] <pfred1> if i had it to do all over again that's how I'd go
[20:11:05] <pfred1> just a CC welder wit ha wire feed unit and a frequency box
[20:11:26] <pfred1> instead of all these different machines
[20:11:29] <Crom> Then I can run spoolgun, tig stick...
[20:11:52] <pfred1> but the downside of that is fry it and yo ugot nothing
[20:12:10] <pfred1> but you just don't fry it
[20:12:12] <Crom> being able to do AL will be great for costuming and props
[20:12:24] <pfred1> I never had much luck with aluminum
[20:12:41] <pfred1> I've done it but I've also had a lot of problems with it too
[20:12:48] <Crom> extruded welds easy... cast is a freaking PAIN!
[20:13:13] <pfred1> I've used the dedicated stainless steel brush etc
[20:13:23] <pfred1> al is just a pain in the ass to weld
[20:13:58] <Crom> yep... little makita 4" with a SS wire wheel is so freaking handy
[20:14:10] <pfred1> there are differeny alloys of aluminum some are not weldable
[20:14:15] <Crom> hit it with the makita, then start welding
[20:14:42] <pfred1> whether it is extruded, or not
[20:14:45] <Crom> I haven't run into any of those
[20:15:06] <Crom> then again... I've laid at most 5' of AL bead ever
[20:15:42] <dioz> i wanna make terrariums with stain glass. but the structure is gonna be made out of coat hanger like wire
[20:15:43] <Crom> 100's of mig and probably over a 1000' of stick
[20:16:03] <pfred1> don't use coat hangers except to hang your clothes
[20:16:11] <pfred1> coat hanger metal is garbage
[20:16:28] <dioz> i have so much stained glass
[20:16:36] <pfred1> buy welding rod
[20:16:44] <dioz> i also have access to unlimited free galv iron sheet metal
[20:16:57] <pfred1> don't weld galvanized either
[20:17:06] <pfred1> google metal fume fever
[20:17:13] <pfred1> it will literally kill you
[20:17:23] <dioz> no it will literally not kill you
[20:17:30] <dioz> but okay
[20:17:37] <pfred1> don't tell me I've known people to die from it
[20:17:59] <pfred1> I've fumed myself enoug hto know it'll kill yo utoo
[20:18:09] <dioz> galv iron has been welded since the turn of the century and "tin bangin" became a trade
[20:18:38] <pfred1> OK suit yourself go weld galvanized
[20:18:59] <pfred1> but when you're dead don't come crying to me!
[20:20:14] <pfred1> for real zinc fumes are really bad
[20:20:33] <pfred1> stuff is like cyanide
[20:20:46] * dioz palms face
[20:20:57] <pfred1> it is
[20:21:00] <dioz> and if i find a link contradicting what you say you'll be like "well i heard it somewhere"
[20:21:16] <pfred1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever
[20:21:25] <dioz> yaaah.... doesn't say you'll die
[20:21:29] <dioz> have a good read of that wiki
[20:21:44] <gennro> yeah I thought welding anything galvanized is really bad
[20:22:00] <pfred1> gennro I've been sick for 3 days after welding on galv
[20:22:09] <gennro> well with out proper equipment
[20:22:22] <pfred1> it ain't good
[20:22:25] <gennro> one thing I was taught not to do when learning to weld
[20:22:44] <pfred1> yeah thinking you cleaned it off don't work so hot either
[20:22:47] <dioz> pfred1: did you read that link you posted?
[20:22:53] <dioz> cause it sure makes no mention of death
[20:23:02] <pfred1> dioz I've read plenty about metal fume fever
[20:23:13] <dioz> that link you posted makes no mention of death though
[20:23:15] <pfred1> it will kill you eventually
[20:23:15] <dioz> JFYI
[20:23:26] <pfred1> but you'll be sick first
[20:23:31] <dioz> it claims that not all people even get welder fever from galv
[20:23:36] <dioz> some do and some don't
[20:23:41] <dioz> why is that?
[20:23:45] <dioz> if you're saying people die from it
[20:23:50] <dioz> why does that site say otherwise?
[20:23:52] <pfred1> some welders are numb fro mthe neck up
[20:24:06] <pfred1> you strike me as that yype so maybe you'll be OK?
[20:24:08] <dioz> that isn't how you initally worded it though
[20:24:34] <pfred1> some people are just to ostupid to know they're doing harm to themselves
[20:24:41] <dioz> your stories are really starting to fall apart 'eh?
[20:24:42] <gennro> same with cleaning metals to be welded with brake cleaner or carb cleaner
[20:24:47] <dioz> first miller bought linocln
[20:24:52] <dioz> then you die from welding galv
[20:24:55] <dioz> next what?
[20:25:18] <malcom2073_> pfred1: dioz has been in here trolling people about welding galv for like three weeks now, you're just his latest victim.
[20:25:24] <dioz> ^ lol
[20:25:25] <Crom> dioz you can die from welding zinc covered metal
[20:25:29] <pfred1> malcom2073_ ta
[20:25:38] <dioz> FRICK YOU MALCOLM#$^&%
[20:25:46] <pfred1> malcom2073_ I was thinking about giving them the iggy
[20:25:51] <dioz> do it
[20:26:07] <dioz> your information is clearly not correct
[20:26:09] <dioz> so...
[20:26:16] <dioz> it's better off you not respond to me in the future
[20:26:21] <pfred1> dioz remember punk I have welders, and you don't
[20:26:28] <dioz> okay punk
[20:26:30] <dioz> lie s'more
[20:26:35] <dioz> maybe it'll show how much you know
[20:27:04] <pfred1> come back when you got some gear
[20:28:06] <pfred1> damn i never passed out due to the fever
[20:28:31] <pfred1> I've had the rest of the symptoms though it is just like having a bad cold
[20:28:47] <dioz> i thought it was like death?
[20:28:55] <dioz> :s/like death/death/
[20:28:57] <pfred1> I've never been exposed that much
[20:29:14] <pfred1> I'e just had a touch of the fever it is repeated exposure that kills you
[20:29:14] <dioz> but you've been exposed enough to feel sick or 3 days
[20:29:19] <pfred1> yup
[20:29:22] <dioz> a "touch" is three days
[20:29:26] <pfred1> yup
[20:29:44] <pfred1> pushing up daisies is more than a touch
[20:30:01] <dioz> idk. 3 days is pretty serious IMO
[20:30:12] <pfred1> I thought so too
[20:30:19] <dioz> clearly not though
[20:30:23] <pfred1> I ain't welded on any galv since either
[20:30:26] <dioz> as now you describe it as a "touch"
[20:30:34] <dioz> which is it?
[20:30:36] <pfred1> well compared to dying
[20:30:43] <dioz> a touch of sickness or pretty serious?
[20:30:45] <pfred1> being sick for 3 days is nothing
[20:31:05] <dioz> really? i knew a dude who was sick for 2 days and died on the 2nd day
[20:31:17] <dioz> so how is three days nothing?
[20:31:25] <pfred1> he must have been really sick I was pretty sick too
[20:31:33] <pfred1> he might have been weak
[20:31:41] <dioz> are you old?
[20:31:47] <dioz> you seem old
[20:31:51] <pfred1> I was younger then
[20:32:23] <cradek> I used to be younger
[20:32:27] <dioz> hah this general contractor at a site i was doing roof top units at
[20:32:30] <pfred1> when yo uweld on galvanized these wisps of white stuff come up it is kind of neat
[20:32:42] <dioz> pfred1: it's like doing dabs
[20:32:44] <dioz> you wanna inhale that shit
[20:32:50] <dioz> get your face right over it and just suck
[20:33:05] <pfred1> a little dab will do ya in
[20:33:07] <dioz> i heard that is how the best welders develop welders fever for 3 days
[20:33:43] <dioz> i like how you label those that aren't stupid enough to inhale the fumes coming off a weld as "dumb"
[20:33:46] <dioz> you a classy old man
[20:34:04] <pfred1> hey if you got a fresh air unit great
[20:34:11] <dioz> fresh air unit?
[20:34:16] * dioz palms face
[20:34:20] <pfred1> yes that is a mask with a pump
[20:34:22] <dioz> you clearly haven't done much welding
[20:34:35] <dioz> probably next to zero welding
[20:34:42] <dioz> maybe a little more than zero
[20:34:45] <pfred1> I've done enough
[20:34:52] <pfred1> you're ignored now too
[20:34:53] <dioz> but very little
[20:34:56] <pfred1> because you're an annoying pest
[20:35:28] <dioz> what i like to do when i weld is inhale the fumes coming off my welds
[20:36:01] <gregcnc> galzanized welding trolling again?
[20:36:04] <dioz> yah
[20:36:08] <dioz> bored
[20:36:10] <dioz> but i think i'm done now
[20:36:13] <gregcnc> go outside
[20:36:22] <dioz> fuck dude i spent all day landscaping
[20:36:29] <dioz> my hands are raw from cement blocks
[20:36:33] <malcom2073_> gregcnc: It's after dark, don't think his parents would approve
[20:36:38] <dioz> ^ true
[20:36:45] <dioz> i'm gmt -6
[20:36:53] <dioz> so it's almost 8:00PM
[20:37:01] <dioz> basically bed time
[20:37:03] <gennro> dioz is that your job?
[20:37:19] <dioz> no. i need to finish the backyard of this house before we list it
[20:37:30] <dioz> i'm a tin banger by trade
[20:37:37] <dioz> with 13+ years in IT
[20:37:52] <gennro> neat
[20:38:24] <dioz> yah i worked in IT for 13 years then one day i did the... "fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you you're cool i'm out" thing
[20:38:27] <dioz> and i picked up a trade
[20:38:41] <gregcnc> put a new old motor into the dryer today, learned some Fanuc 21T, found a working floppy drive and PC that works to transfer files
[20:39:08] <dioz> i haven't seen a floppy disk in years
[20:39:15] <dioz> i forget the sizes of them
[20:39:17] <dioz> 5 and 1/4
[20:39:20] <dioz> and 3 and 1/2 ?
[20:39:51] <gennro> well you had the ~8" ~5" and the ~3"
[20:39:58] <dioz> ^ lol thnx
[20:40:57] <pfred1> gregcnc I got flatcam working
[20:41:03] <dioz> according to wiki you're almost right
[20:41:07] <dioz> it wasn't ~8" though
[20:41:09] <pfred1> it is bitching
[20:41:10] <dioz> it was exactly 8"
[20:41:21] <dioz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk
[20:41:24] <pfred1> I could even seem yself doing double sided boards with it someday
[20:41:29] <dioz> 8-inch, 5¼-inch, and 3½-inch floppy disks
[20:41:56] <gennro> Only reason why I know a 8" floppy exist at all is it is still being used today
[20:42:11] <pfred1> I've seen 8" floppies
[20:42:18] <pfred1> they're huge!
[20:45:46] * dioz gives pfred1 some cialis
[20:45:55] <dioz> they get bigger when they not floppies
[20:45:56] <Cromaglious_> double sided bouble densitiy 1.2MB wooooo
[20:45:57] * dioz snickers
[20:46:45] <Cromaglious_> I started out with a single sided single density 5.25" 80K I think
[20:47:21] <CaptHindsight> you guys could afford floppies?!
[20:48:07] <Cromaglious_> I worked in a tire for more than minimum wage
[20:48:14] <CaptHindsight> we had to do our homework on punch cards
[20:48:15] <Cromaglious_> I worked in a tire shop for more than minimum wage
[20:48:37] <CaptHindsight> sounds more sensible
[20:48:42] <dioz> ^ lol
[20:48:53] <CaptHindsight> was wondering what that must have been like in a tire :)
[20:48:59] <gregcnc> punchcards lol like CNC tape?
[20:49:12] <Cromaglious_> well... I did work in some tires... fixing flats on loader tires
[20:56:32] <dioz> fuck boys
[20:56:36] <dioz> it's almost the end of the season
[20:56:43] <dioz> it's gonna be cold as fuck in a month or so
[20:56:56] <gregcnc> we'll be subjected to welding trolling all day then?
[20:57:26] <dioz> depends if i get called for trade school or not
[21:36:46] <Tom_itx> oh joy!
[21:36:49] <Tom_itx> reams of troll
[22:05:57] <Cromaglious_> my first hard drive was $2500 for a tandem 5MB
[22:07:16] <Tom_itx> first kid on the block with one?
[22:07:25] <Tom_itx> full height?
[22:07:33] <Tom_itx> ran hot enough to fry bacon on it?
[22:10:11] <Cromaglious_> full height.. 2nd kid in the neighborhood... first one to pay for it himself
