#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-08-30

[00:10:36] <MacGalempsy> nighty night
[00:18:10] <Cromaglious_> that's wierd on... move Y and limit x errors
[00:18:21] <Cromaglious_> move x no problem
[00:22:26] <Cromaglious_> ugh... move X negative it goes right... home X it goes left X home pos 0
[00:22:57] <Cromaglious_> fingure it out tomorrow... and figure out the spindle control again
[00:26:40] <pfred1> you have ot make the scale negative in yoru ini file
[00:27:15] <pfred1> one of my axis is backwards liek that
[00:29:01] <Crom> sitting in chair chillaxing
[00:29:47] <LeelooMinai> So, I was just watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX12v51LbyM
[00:30:07] <LeelooMinai> Basically the guy removed tooling marks in big area shallow pockets with sandpaper
[00:30:32] <LeelooMinai> And this makes me wonder, isn't there some better way of doing it, using CNC he already has?
[00:31:38] <pfred1> LeelooMinai there's sandblasting
[00:32:03] <pfred1> then there's this way they port heads with high pressure sand
[00:32:07] <LeelooMinai> Well, that probably requires a lot of extra equipment though
[00:32:25] <pfred1> that i always found intellectually fascinating
[00:33:03] <LeelooMinai> I was thinking about, I don't know, some small attachment to the CNC that would hold an abrasive surface maybe with a spring that applies constant pressure.
[00:33:14] <LeelooMinai> Wouldn't that work?
[00:34:08] <LeelooMinai> Like a micro orbital sander I guess, but just rotating.
[00:34:29] <pfred1> I think you're just supposed to do finishing passes
[00:35:03] <pfred1> I believe that is the sane method
[00:35:04] <LeelooMinai> Well, somehow he has those marks there - I would presume there was no other way to get rid of them (?)
[00:35:26] <LeelooMinai> Maybe because they were in recessed pockets
[00:35:43] <pfred1> you switch to a smaller tool and use a shorter step over
[00:36:13] <LeelooMinai> RIght, ok, but what if you wanted a mirror-like finish without doing manual work.
[00:36:34] <pfred1> then you're talking about sand extrusion, or something along those lines
[00:37:40] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... So people do not polish with CNCs?
[00:37:40] <pfred1> though that won't net you a mirror like finish
[00:38:05] <pfred1> if you want a polish then you have to polish
[00:38:40] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but I wonder why you could not just let the spindle do the polishing
[00:38:41] <pfred1> I think polishing takes looking at the work to determine that it is i nfact polished
[00:39:04] <pfred1> it is a feedback kind of a hting
[00:39:10] <LeelooMinai> Well, you could look, from time to time...
[00:39:46] <pfred1> there's tumblers cone vibrators things like that
[00:40:08] <pfred1> that's like how people polish their brass
[00:41:27] <Crom> wonder if there is a way to mount a scotchbrite wheel to a ER11 spindle...
[00:42:10] <LeelooMinai> Well, I was thinking a wheel like that with a spring action on the z direction
[00:42:14] <pfred1> scotchbrite never lasts very long for me
[00:42:32] <pfred1> you'd have to have a way to quick change it
[00:43:27] <LeelooMinai> Well, or one of those wheels with fluffy material and polishing paste - that could maybe work too
[00:44:08] <pfred1> AFAIK polishing is a human hand operation
[00:44:23] <pfred1> considered fairly skilled too
[00:44:37] <pfred1> people polish
[00:44:57] <LeelooMinai> Well, I would think that if you just run multiple passes with CNC, it will be eventually polished.
[00:45:21] <pfred1> I see what you mean
[00:45:34] <pfred1> but at the same time I have polished stuff and it takes a bit of this and that
[00:46:22] <pfred1> for some regular geometries they have automated polishing machines
[00:46:29] <pfred1> like telescope mirrors
[00:46:32] <LeelooMinai> Well, was just wondering, because the whole polishing process seems like a very time consuming and repeptitive adventure, so why not use a machine.
[00:47:08] <pfred1> because a machine can't know when something is polished
[00:47:26] <pfred1> it can't look at it and say, yeah, that's what I'm looking for
[00:47:35] <LeelooMinai> Right, but you can say "it will be probably polished after 10 passes"
[00:47:44] <LeelooMinai> After doing some tests.
[00:47:50] <pfred1> maybe
[00:48:23] <pfred1> there's definitaly machine polishing machines
[00:48:33] <pfred1> but they do very plain surfaces
[00:48:37] <pfred1> like say flat
[00:48:41] <LeelooMinai> Otherwise one would need to make some feedback instrument, to sense if the surface is more polished in some are or not, but that could be a bit convoluted.
[00:49:03] <pfred1> as in polished granite countertop
[00:49:09] <pfred1> that's done by machine
[00:49:27] <LeelooMinai> Right, I was thinking more flat surfaces, like in that video
[00:49:48] <pfred1> I still think there's an operator there monitoring the process though
[00:50:19] <LeelooMinai> It just seemed weird to me that he has that expensive Tormach equipment and suddenly he bought tons of sandpaper and started hand-polishing this by the sink - lol:)
[00:50:27] <pfred1> they likely have ot do things like hose otu the slurry, or add more compound
[00:51:05] <pfred1> doing it by hand is expedient it gets the job done
[00:51:16] <pfred1> we're good at polishing
[00:51:35] <LeelooMinai> I got tired just by watching it:)
[00:51:36] <pfred1> humans have a natural aptitude for it
[00:52:14] <pfred1> we might not be able to carve David out of a rock, but we could polish him up
[00:53:11] <LeelooMinai> Well, one day will maybe do some experiments with this.
[00:53:59] <pfred1> I've watched a lot of episodes of how its made and they have all kinds of automated machinery but when it comes to polishing they usually have people at buffing wheels
[00:54:22] <pfred1> because we know what a polish is
[00:54:33] <LeelooMinai> I saw people buffing guitar bodies like that.
[00:55:04] <LeelooMinai> Looked like pretty physical work
[00:55:11] <pfred1> a real high lustre polish is an artform
[00:56:22] <pfred1> it tends to be a lot of work too
[00:56:53] <pfred1> mayb we use people because we can?
[00:57:14] <pfred1> just about anyone that sets their mind to it can become adept at polishing
[00:58:21] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, he now decided it doesn't look good and sand-blasted it and now polishes again.
[01:00:19] <pfred1> I think I've seen the video you're watching
[01:00:29] <pfred1> he's making these aluminum plates
[01:00:42] <LeelooMinai> Sides of some case
[01:00:46] <pfred1> yes
[01:00:49] <pfred1> he is a bit of an idiot
[01:01:03] <LeelooMinai> lol
[01:01:37] <pfred1> but it is a commission job and he wants it to look right
[01:02:00] <pfred1> so I can understand that
[01:02:45] <pfred1> I thought the whole design of those plates was kinda dumb but that's not on him
[01:02:53] <LeelooMinai> I watched some of his Fusion360 videos - were ok I guess.
[01:03:01] <pfred1> like why did hey need all of those pockets?
[01:03:16] <pfred1> it is purely decorative
[01:03:22] <LeelooMinai> "weight reducing", he says...
[01:03:29] <pfred1> just slap some paltes on there and call it a day
[01:04:22] <pfred1> yup i have seen that video
[01:04:28] <pfred1> he has the table setup by the sink
[01:04:54] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it was not his best plan/idea:)
[01:05:30] <LeelooMinai> I wonder if one could make those from two layers
[01:06:00] <LeelooMinai> One thin flat and one thicker with all the pockets, and somehow glue them together with something
[01:06:17] <LeelooMinai> Some magical aluminum bonding stuff:)
[01:06:25] <pfred1> yeah it is polishing the bottom of the pockets that is the problem
[01:06:36] <pfred1> muggyweld!
[01:07:13] <LeelooMinai> lol, aluminum composite
[01:07:20] <LeelooMinai> Squash it under the press
[01:07:22] <pfred1> I think he finally uses some sponge like things on a die grinder?
[01:07:48] <LeelooMinai> Seems like polishing wheel attached to a drill press and polishing paste
[01:08:05] <LeelooMinai> Messed up the walls bad too
[01:08:24] <pfred1> he figures it out eventually
[01:09:39] <pfred1> yeah no taking maching marks out is not always cut and dried
[01:09:42] <pfred1> machining even
[01:11:00] <pfred1> mold makers have to do it
[01:11:27] <pfred1> as far as i know that is why they call them die grinders because people use them to polish dies with
[01:51:18] <Cromaglious_> hmmm using bi-directional mode the parallel port got backwards...
[01:54:12] <Cromaglious_> still backwards..
[01:54:20] <Cromaglious_> bbiab powering down
[02:28:01] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:01] <Cromaglious_> moin... looks like I need to replace all the limit switches... and home switches...
[02:43:42] <Cromaglious_> yep... gonna wire them ALL limits, and home,x home y, home z 10,11,12,15
[02:44:04] <archivist> er why
[02:44:26] <archivist> is your diagnosis correct
[02:44:39] <Cromaglious_> homes are going to be inductives and limits are going to be beefy mechanicals
[02:45:22] <Cromaglious_> using limit+homes right now and they are really flakey.. y home causes them to trip..
[02:45:45] <Cromaglious_> y homing
[02:45:59] <archivist> noise from the switches?
[02:46:15] <Cromaglious_> mechanical vibration
[02:46:54] <archivist> are you moving off switches after homing
[02:47:02] <Cromaglious_> yep 5mm
[02:47:14] <Cromaglious_> they reset around 4.57mm
[02:47:41] <archivist> what type?
[02:48:01] <Cromaglious_> cheap...
[02:49:15] <archivist> cheap does not help me know the type, hall,opto,microswitch
[02:50:12] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pcs-Micro-Limit-Switch-Long-Lever-Arm-Subminiature-SPDT-Snap-Action-HP-/262465565950?hash=item3d1c2ab4fe:g:yFwAAOSwQupXUGwG
[02:50:55] <Cromaglious_> ack bed time... nite nite
[02:51:31] <archivist> microswitches are generally good, check how you are using them
[03:35:11] <renesis> archivist: i decided that SNES controller had too many features, so for school project i modeled a cherry snap switch from an arcade button
[03:35:15] <renesis> because im dumb
[03:35:49] <renesis> crazy amount of features inside the little box, they all made sense by the end tho
[05:36:06] <something> Hello, iam searching a way to divide a halpin value by 1000 inside a pyvcp meter to cutr down the scale values to 2 digits. Any hints?
[05:38:22] <archivist> there are hal comps for see scale http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/components.html#_arithmetic_and_float_components
[05:40:12] <fenn> just saw this "machinist dream" tool collection on craigslist thought someone might be interested: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5751516873.html
[05:40:51] <fenn> $2k in bay area
[05:41:21] <XXCoder> wow pretty damn good deal
[05:41:26] <XXCoder> too bad billion miles away lol
[05:42:03] <something> I read that earlier but i dont want to compare i need to cut down inside the pyvcp.panel.xml
[05:44:00] <archivist> scale is changing its value, the meter scale are numbers you set, the number of digits on the display, can be hardcoded, may need to fix the panel stuff
[05:47:05] <something> right, the maj/minscalenumbers are set by me - BUT - in accordance to the halpinvalue which goes up to 60000 => Id like 1-60 with subtext x1000
[05:48:42] <something> if i put majorscale to
[05:49:21] <something> 60 then with the smallest halpinvalue the meter goes up to max
[05:49:55] <archivist> so set your range to 0-60, text x1000 and use the scale comp to reduce the input to 0-60
[05:50:37] <archivist> the scale comp divides the 0-6000 to 0-60
[05:54:48] <something> scale= Applies a scale and offset to its input comp= Two input comparator with hysteresis =?? Thats what i found at your link but cant find the connection to division or digit cutoff - i tried <format>2d ...
[05:58:41] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/scale.9.html
[05:58:49] <something> Thats the vfd.hal line to pyvcp=> net pyvcp-spindle-rpm spindle-vfd.spindle-speed-fb => pyvcp.spindle-speed
[05:59:54] <archivist> you dont need the offset part of scale
[06:01:42] <archivist> I suppose the docs for scale could be improved, it is the comp to do what you want
[06:02:11] <something> i took scale in the meaning of a visual display instead of arithmetic factor
[06:02:58] <something> thanks just to find out the way to write the stuff in the .hal.
[06:03:13] <archivist> nah visual scale is a different can of worms that has no nice cure yet
[06:03:24] <jthornton> morning
[06:04:28] <archivist> jthornton, scale comp could do with some improvement :)
[06:04:39] <archivist> the docs for it I mean
[06:05:27] <jthornton> the man page is pretty terse
[06:06:10] <jthornton> do you have some suggestions for improvement
[06:06:48] <archivist> as is the the one liner in the list http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/components.html#_arithmetic_and_float_components
[06:07:43] <jthornton> ah that was an attempt to at least list the components
[06:07:56] <archivist> if I go to that last url /me would like to see a link to better/full docs
[06:08:38] <jthornton> From this list you know what components exist and can use man n name to get additional information in a terminal window.
[06:10:53] <jthornton> the last comment I got about that page is why they all have man pages...
[06:12:24] <archivist> but that page does not link to the man pages (/me hates the pdf )
[06:12:32] <jthornton> it's may be missing some
[06:12:47] <jthornton> and how could you link a pdf to auto generated man pages
[06:12:57] <jthornton> html not pdf
[06:13:23] <archivist> this is where I am beginning to thing pdf should go the way of the dodo
[06:13:27] <archivist> think
[06:13:50] <jthornton> I think the html should be the installed documents
[06:13:59] <archivist> and me
[06:14:38] <jthornton> and because there is no pdf doc of the component the link would fail
[06:15:14] <jthornton> but if you take the pdf out Gene would complain that he can't print them...
[06:16:15] <archivist> you can print html, it is a pain though
[06:16:23] <jthornton> right
[06:17:22] <archivist> and currently the html is not formatted as pages in the same way
[06:17:28] <jthornton> on my recipe pages http://gnipsel.com/recipes/index.html if you print one the css is different and tries to print it on one paqe with reduced image size
[06:17:57] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/recipes/beef/soy-jerky.html
[06:18:05] <jthornton> look at that then do a print preview
[06:18:42] <jthornton> the only thing I can't eliminate is the header line
[06:19:13] <archivist> I was looking at cheddar biscuits! biscuit mix!
[06:19:17] <jthornton> can't/haven't fingerd out a way
[06:19:45] <jthornton> do you like the calculator?
[06:20:25] <archivist> er does not work in this browser
[06:20:36] <jthornton> which browser
[06:20:42] <archivist> oh it does
[06:20:53] <archivist> not the way I expected
[06:21:03] <jthornton> what did you expect
[06:21:20] <archivist> was typing in the answer boxes :)
[06:22:18] <archivist> I can see why, the title is AFTER the calculate button
[06:22:52] <jthornton> Ingredients Calculator?
[06:22:59] <archivist> so a reading order thing simple for you to fix
[06:23:03] <archivist> yes
[06:24:38] <archivist> it that a table title, Ingredient totals
[06:25:28] <archivist> second "Ingredients Calculator" to "Ingredient totals"
[06:28:20] <jthornton> refresh that page and see if it reads better now
[06:29:37] <archivist> had to force a refresh, yes
[06:30:09] <jthornton> I can see how eye focus can mislead the brain on that one
[06:31:03] <archivist> one of those why did I read that wrong...ooooh
[06:32:52] <jthornton> refresh that page again and let me know what you think
[06:34:02] <archivist> abbreviation Tbl
[06:34:58] <archivist> and tea and that is a drink not a size
[06:35:45] <archivist> but I guess you have space problems on some pages
[06:37:03] <jthornton> yea
[06:37:29] <jthornton> doing columns does have it's little problems you have to work with
[07:06:04] <jthornton> take one last look at that page
[07:08:27] <archivist> real spoons now :)
[07:09:05] <jthornton> lol
[07:09:05] <archivist> I still dont understand "biscuit mix" must be a merican thing
[07:10:13] <archivist> we do have various lazy mixes over here as well
[07:10:53] <jthornton> bisquick over here
[07:11:12] <archivist> and you lot are confused about what a biscuit is, cookie...bot
[07:11:18] <archivist> not
[07:13:04] <jthornton> I guess the pioneers could not find any cookie mix so they used flour
[07:13:05] <_methods> yeah i think there are some big differences in baked good terminololgy
[07:14:29] <jthornton> http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/baking-mixes-recipe
[07:16:34] <_methods> http://www.badassoftheweek.com/akeley.html
[07:43:15] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:07:44] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[08:12:20] <pink_vampire> good morning MacGalempsy
[08:12:30] <MacGalempsy> what an exciting morning
[08:12:47] <MacGalempsy> just got the download code for BF1 beta
[08:14:08] <pink_vampire> what is BF1 beta?
[08:14:50] <MacGalempsy> Battlefield 1
[08:15:21] <MacGalempsy> it doesnt come out until october 21
[08:16:32] <pink_vampire> what is that?
[08:16:46] <pink_vampire> cnc controller?
[08:17:08] <Polymorphism> lol
[08:17:10] <Polymorphism> battlefield 1
[08:17:18] <Polymorphism> not cnc controller
[08:17:27] <Polymorphism> its a video game
[08:18:46] <pink_vampire> for my the machining is fine
[08:19:28] <MacGalempsy> lol. i call it an inner-CNC program. you play it while the cnc is cutting
[08:21:30] <pink_vampire> when the cnc makes chips I make the toolpath
[08:21:46] <MacGalempsy> what are you making?
[08:22:52] <pink_vampire> i need to finish the last part for the edm sinker
[08:23:44] <MacGalempsy> nice. just the electrode, or you made the whole machine?
[08:24:43] <pink_vampire> i made the sinker
[08:25:01] <MacGalempsy> what did you do for the electronics?
[08:25:25] <pink_vampire> i have few ideas
[08:25:50] <MacGalempsy> Try: Build a Pulse EDM Machine by Ben Fleming
[08:26:04] <MacGalempsy> It comes with a board for $88US
[08:27:15] <pink_vampire> link??
[08:29:10] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/fiPPvNr.png
[08:29:43] <pink_vampire> that was the original design
[08:29:45] <pink_vampire> MacGalempsy:
[08:29:55] <MacGalempsy> http://homebuiltedm.tripod.com/
[08:30:53] <MacGalempsy> last time I speced out the build the controller was like $500US in parts
[08:31:00] <MacGalempsy> but if you have parts, it would be cheaper
[08:33:27] <miss0r> The things people try to pass for a spindle :) This 800x800 x-carve I got yesterday, has a 24vdc motor for a spindle, with a er11 collect mounted to the shaft. One ball bearing in each end of the flatsheet motor case. heh
[08:33:38] <miss0r> No wonder the previous owner couldn't make it do jack sh...
[08:34:58] <pink_vampire> for the sinker i have the general idea of how to build it
[08:35:18] <miss0r> You have a sketch?
[08:36:03] <pink_vampire> miss0r: I'm deep deep inside solidworks
[08:36:20] <miss0r> ^^
[08:37:39] <miss0r> I wish I had / understood solidworks
[08:38:25] <pink_vampire> i can teach you
[08:38:31] <pink_vampire> it's very very easy
[08:39:04] <miss0r> I don't own solidworks either. That stuff is massivly expensive iirc
[08:39:29] <MacGalempsy> miss0r: why not try fusion360?
[08:39:39] <MacGalempsy> it is free for hobbiest and students
[08:39:47] <miss0r> I use mastercam X5
[08:39:55] <miss0r> But it is not ideal for 3D-designs
[08:40:11] <MacGalempsy> how not?
[08:40:53] <miss0r> That is what happens when cad and cam meets.
[08:41:17] <miss0r> I would love to have a good cad software like solidworks, and just export to mastercam for cam
[08:42:02] <pink_vampire> I'm using solidworks and hsmexpress
[08:42:15] <gregcnc> I'm surprised people are dumping SW for Fusion 360
[08:43:26] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: what do you mean?
[08:43:45] <MacGalempsy> the only thing I dont like so far is that if you want to manually flip a workpiece for a new setup, you cannot easily use the previous result
[08:44:02] <gregcnc> they say they are more than happy to drop SW and use Fusion exclusively
[08:44:38] <MacGalempsy> I took a night class that touched on SW and Fusion seems right in line, with some limitations of course
[08:45:38] <gregcnc> Free is the driving factor right now. I wonder how much longer Fusion 360 will be free
[08:46:42] <miss0r> that is true. its like drugs 'the taste is free"
[08:47:23] <miss0r> anyone in here ever tried running an x-carve router from inventables on linuxCNC?
[08:47:36] <gregcnc> the CAM capibility it offers at no cost is amazing, and they say continuous 4th is coming
[08:50:29] <pink_vampire> i have a problem
[08:50:51] <miss0r> don't we all? :)
[08:51:34] <pink_vampire> i need to remove slip plate from the enamel paint of the machine without removing the paint
[08:52:33] <pink_vampire> 91% alcohol not even do anything
[08:52:56] <miss0r> i'd use cellulose thinners
[08:53:02] <miss0r> and go about it carefully
[08:53:26] <miss0r> it will take off a layer at a time, if you do it right
[08:53:27] <pink_vampire> what is "cellulose thinners"??
[08:53:43] <miss0r> yeah. that was a translation I just made google do. hang on 1 secf
[08:54:38] <gregcnc> laquer thinner
[08:55:05] <pink_vampire> i've took a pic of the issue
[08:55:06] <miss0r> yeah
[08:55:59] <miss0r> gregcnc: you had that youtube channel, right?
[08:56:07] <gregcnc> yes
[08:56:24] <miss0r> so, iirc you are using one of thoes 3040 ebay CNC machines?
[08:56:28] <gregcnc> no
[08:56:36] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ho3gwl3.png
[08:56:38] <miss0r> just looked like it in one of the videos
[08:57:09] <miss0r> pink_vampire: yeah, i'd give the laquer thinner a shot
[08:57:18] <miss0r> gregcnc:what are you using then?
[08:57:36] <gregcnc> bunch of parts put together
[08:57:46] <miss0r> heh. alright
[08:58:00] <gregcnc> Aerotech linear slides, concrete column
[08:58:13] <gregcnc> shop made spindle
[08:58:14] <miss0r> if you had one of thoes damned ebay CNCs, i might have had a few things to help you improve.
[08:58:22] <miss0r> do you have an overview picture?
[08:58:56] <gregcnc> http://www.dieselrc.com/x/temp/other.html
[08:59:45] <miss0r> what the hell was I looking at last night
[08:59:56] <miss0r> definetly not that
[09:00:28] <pink_vampire> not even think to go off
[09:00:59] <gregcnc> go off where?
[09:01:08] <miss0r> with laquer thinner ?
[09:01:24] <pink_vampire> yes
[09:02:30] <archivist> there are paint removers, nitromors is a uk trademark
[09:02:40] <miss0r> you probally need to soak/rub a bit
[09:03:24] <archivist> "paint and varnish remover" is your search term
[09:03:51] <pink_vampire> archivist: i want to keep the paint
[09:03:54] <archivist> there are hard and soft varnishes, different chemicals needed
[09:04:46] <archivist> a knife down the join
[09:04:47] <enleth> have you ever used one of those combo drill-tap-countersink things?
[09:05:17] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ho3gwl3.png
[09:05:21] <pink_vampire> archivist: ^
[09:05:28] <pink_vampire> this is the problem
[09:05:30] <enleth> http://3.allegroimg.pl/original/01/61/89/31/17/6189311763 - like this one
[09:05:43] <archivist> pink_vampire, I see no problem
[09:06:07] <pink_vampire> the black... is the slip plate
[09:06:16] <pink_vampire> i want to remove it
[09:06:44] <archivist> so a knife to break the joint to the paint
[09:07:32] <miss0r> fuck. I have nowhere to put this x-carve...
[09:07:35] <archivist> enleth, I dont really trust the reversal getting out to not strip the threads you just cut
[09:09:14] <miss0r> enleth: I have used one simular to that for work in the field with a handheld drilling machine, in plate material, for that it is great
[09:09:30] <miss0r> other than that, you are better off with seperate units
[09:09:46] <enleth> miss0r: thanks, that makes sense
[09:13:53] <MacGalempsy> well, I guess its getting time to go check out that drill press
[09:14:03] <MacGalempsy> its just a 1hr drive to get there
[09:14:51] <miss0r> good luck. Sigh, I also have a new drillpress to get in here to replace the old one. but I am out of space. The old one was a table mounted unit, this is a floor unit
[09:15:00] <miss0r> I am roylaly screwed.
[09:15:39] <MacGalempsy> yeah, this one is a beast
[09:15:56] <MacGalempsy> but I am planning on getting it, add a vfd and then try to trade for a lathe
[09:17:02] <gregcnc> everyone needs a lathe or three
[09:17:57] <MacGalempsy> lol. i dont even have one. however, the 4th axis may count a little
[09:18:20] <archivist> miss0r, shed extension time!
[09:18:40] <archivist> 3..not enough
[09:18:55] <miss0r> archivist No kidding, I have an x-carve 1000x1000 and a drillpress I need installed, and I have no more space
[09:19:28] <archivist> miss0r, imaging my struggle to get a CMM into the garage last year
[09:19:52] <miss0r> Althou, I am thinking of hinging the x-carve on the wall, and adding two legs so you can "fold it out" when needed.
[09:19:59] <miss0r> yeah, your shop is stuffed!
[09:20:26] <archivist> was thinking the CMM moves into the lounge
[09:21:04] <miss0r> I was trying to sell the wife the idea, that the x-carve could double as a coffee table in the living room... no dice thou
[09:21:13] <SpeedEvil> archivist: NO.
[09:21:30] <SpeedEvil> archivist: CMM goes into the bathroom and displaces the scale as a bodyfat measurment machine
[09:21:34] <MacGalempsy> how about mount it in the lavatory?
[09:21:36] <archivist> I am old free and single YES
[09:21:37] <miss0r> my shop: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7Z2tmNlNlZDlfTlE
[09:21:44] <MacGalempsy> the steam may be too much
[09:21:45] <miss0r> basically the same deal facing the other direction
[09:22:10] <miss0r> MacGalempsy also, it is way too small :)
[09:22:12] <gregcnc> I saw a cnc router mounted vertically on youtube
[09:22:13] <archivist> MacGalempsy, that is called the small library
[09:22:17] <MacGalempsy> miss0r: that shelving on the left can go
[09:22:41] <miss0r> MacGalempsy: sure, and the closet behind it ? :)
[09:22:46] <MacGalempsy> just start hanging it from that rack on the top right
[09:22:51] <miss0r> I need atleast 'some' storage space down here
[09:23:10] <miss0r> that rack is for cables :) won't take all that stuff.
[09:23:40] <miss0r> althou, in a near future, I will close off the windows over the lathe, to get me some more wall to mount stuff to :)
[09:23:43] <MacGalempsy> consolidate the shelf on the right with the shelf in the back right corner
[09:24:05] <miss0r> the rack still stands back to back with a closet
[09:24:24] <miss0r> s/rack/shelf on the left
[09:24:25] <MacGalempsy> your flip down table could mount there.
[09:25:21] <MacGalempsy> lol. hang from the ceiling upside down. then the chips fall to the floor
[09:25:42] <miss0r> It seems I dont have a picture of the computer I am on now. basically right to the left of the picture is a small 3-axis cnc mill on a table with this PC here. Under this table is the idea
[09:25:51] <miss0r> lol
[09:26:27] <miss0r> I actualy thought about having it suspended from the ceiling, then lowering it when needed. only it measures 1x1m, so it would take up alot of light
[09:26:56] <SpeedEvil> A machine storage system would be kind-of-awesome.
[09:27:17] <miss0r> I should dig a basement under here, and have them come up from beneath :)
[09:27:21] <SpeedEvil> Some sort of automated solution where you could pack them all in a corner and pull them out magically
[09:27:50] <miss0r> indeed. Perhaps I should just hire 30 chinese teenagers to do my bidding
[09:27:54] <MacGalempsy> lol. like with the whip of your wand, POOF tool setup
[09:28:07] <archivist> rolling rack system like museums use
[09:28:09] <miss0r> MacGalempsy yes, thats where the chinese come in
[09:28:41] <MacGalempsy> miss0r: where are you?
[09:28:48] <miss0r> MacGalempsy Denmark
[09:29:01] <miss0r> so, truth be told, we would probally use polish people
[09:29:24] <MacGalempsy> lol. I was going to suggest bulgarians
[09:29:46] <JT-Shop> that hotel made from an old warehouse in Copenhagen is a neat place to stay
[09:29:52] <miss0r> well, the polish people are like a compromise....
[09:30:16] <miss0r> they are hard workers like the bulgarians, but theres only a 50/50 chance they will just run off with all my wquipment
[09:31:03] <miss0r> and thats what you pay the extra money for. ;)
[09:31:36] <miss0r> MacGalempsy Where are you from?
[09:31:46] <MacGalempsy> Arkansas, USA
[09:31:57] <MacGalempsy> not a lot of polish or chinese here
[09:32:03] <miss0r> Yeah, most of you in here are from the states, right?
[09:32:24] <MacGalempsy> not all the time.
[09:32:41] <MacGalempsy> I think the selection is pretty good, worldwide clients
[09:33:19] <JT-Shop> depends on the local time
[09:33:21] <gregcnc> depends on the time
[09:33:29] <miss0r> indeed
[09:34:04] <gregcnc> right now is time I should be accomplishing something
[09:34:14] <JT-Shop> there are exceptions like andy who stays up to midnight or later...
[09:34:39] <MacGalempsy> gregcnc: I hear ya, time for me to get around and go get that drill press
[09:34:44] <miss0r> true. Most of my shop time is right after work, before the wife gets home, and late at night when she has gone to bed
[09:34:47] <MacGalempsy> just kind of lagging
[09:35:31] <miss0r> I know the feeling, I should be measuering where to put the x-carve. but every time I do a measurement I get depressed, so i'm back here
[09:35:38] <gregcnc> rainy weather increases the lag
[09:36:18] <MacGalempsy> not rainy here, just humid as hell. We got a dehumidifier last week, a 70 pint unit, and it fills up 2-3 times a day
[09:36:30] <miss0r> hole
[09:36:33] <miss0r> with a y
[09:36:58] <JT-Shop> I need to put a dehumidifier in the new shop
[09:37:04] <JT-Shop> with a drain
[09:37:04] <MacGalempsy> i woke up and the hall was 75% because it shut off, now it has run down to 45%
[09:37:22] <miss0r> thats gotta be hell for the machinery?
[09:37:29] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: my wife wouldnt let me mount it in the guest shower
[09:37:51] <MacGalempsy> with a small float switch sump pump
[09:38:03] <miss0r> JT-Shop I have a dehumidifier here with a drain, but it doubles as a heating unit in the winter
[09:38:05] <JT-Shop> you in Fayetteville
[09:38:20] <MacGalempsy> pretty much, 10 miles south
[09:38:50] <MacGalempsy> going to check this out this AM http://fortsmith.craigslist.org/tls/5746704034.html
[09:39:06] <MacGalempsy> it weighs 475lbs
[09:39:29] <gregcnc> looks like arboga
[09:39:30] <miss0r> wtf... I have the EXACT same model waiting for me. only with a manual x-y table on it
[09:39:43] <MacGalempsy> lol. the starts are aligning
[09:40:08] <MacGalempsy> I am hoping the 3phase motor is good, but have no where to test it.
[09:40:08] <archivist> a solid mutha f
[09:40:24] <JT-Shop> we stay at lake tanacomo near branson from time to time
[09:40:34] <miss0r> I find that strange, they you don't have 3-phase installations as standard in the us
[09:40:53] <MacGalempsy> we like to promote the VFD industry here
[09:40:55] <miss0r> must make it hell with all the motors'n stuff
[09:40:58] <JT-Shop> only in industrial areas do you find 3 phase
[09:41:00] <miss0r> indeed
[09:41:36] <miss0r> you must pull some serious currents from time to time
[09:41:42] <MacGalempsy> I am kind of curious it has a 1.2hp iand 1hp
[09:41:55] <MacGalempsy> so I just go for the 1hp VFD?
[09:42:02] <JT-Shop> so your about 250 crooked miles from me
[09:42:28] <MacGalempsy> bring down the bike, and we can play rabbit
[09:42:43] <MacGalempsy> i only drive 4 wheels on the road though :)
[09:42:44] <miss0r> ... need to go pick up the kids now. be back later
[09:42:45] <gregcnc> is it 220V?
[09:43:03] <MacGalempsy> 3ph 220v
[09:44:00] <JT-Shop> rotary phase converters are easy to make
[09:44:04] <MacGalempsy> anyone have any luck or comments on Automation Direct's G2 vfd?
[09:44:21] <JT-Shop> I have one on my BP Series 1
[09:44:25] <JT-Shop> GS2
[09:44:54] <JT-Shop> they are a little noisy electrical wise but for a drill press that is a moot point
[09:45:00] <MacGalempsy> so, there is 110v to 3phase and 230v to 3phase
[09:45:13] <gregcnc> I bought ebay used VFD. but new nonamers are cheap these days
[09:45:19] <gregcnc> get 220 input
[09:45:38] <JT-Shop> what hp is the drill press?
[09:45:40] <MacGalempsy> there is only one 220 plug in the garage and the panel is full
[09:45:53] <MacGalempsy> it says 1hp in low and 1.2 in high
[09:46:01] <JT-Shop> what is plugged into the 220 plug?
[09:46:10] <JT-Shop> ah a two speed motor
[09:46:14] <gregcnc> after some discussion here the 110V input don't make full power
[09:46:51] <enleth> miss0r: the US was first with many technologies, so they're behind now thanks to inertia
[09:46:53] <MacGalempsy> my cnc is plugged into the 220v, but I also am setting up the 3d printer PSU to run the same plug
[09:47:09] <MacGalempsy> quick change plug
[09:47:18] <JT-Shop> add a sub panel
[09:47:30] <gregcnc> where are 220V powerstrips when you need them
[09:47:47] <MacGalempsy> it is only a 20a breaker
[09:47:49] <skunkworks> int he uk...
[09:48:21] <JT-Shop> change the breaker to a larger size and add a sub panel
[09:48:53] <skunkworks> we have some equipment that is 220v from italy. let me tell you - you fix a computer and forget to switch the powersupply to 220 and it wakes you up.
[09:49:08] <JT-Shop> yikes
[09:49:36] <gregcnc> 20Ax230V ~ 6HP.
[10:22:06] <Sync> skunkworks: is that even a thing nowadays?
[10:27:05] <enleth> gregcnc: that's what I have at home
[10:27:27] <enleth> small flat in an apartment block, not a house
[10:27:58] <gregcnc> three phase?
[10:29:10] <enleth> single, but I could get three if I wanted it - the distribution panel by the staircase is three phase and it's less than 2m away from my door
[10:30:27] <archivist> in most places 3 phase will be in the road not to far away, the spread the phases every few houses
[10:30:30] <enleth> it's pretty standard over here - distribution panels in apartment buildings are three phase and individual apartments are distributed evenly among the phases, but you can get all three routed to your place if you need to
[10:30:43] <enleth> like, every floor has a 3 phase panel
[10:31:10] <gregcnc> right, in the US utility splits three phase as they see fit at the poles
[10:32:04] <archivist> UK is in the ground except long distance runs
[10:32:43] <archivist> I admit taking pics of fugly merican wiring when over there :)
[10:33:35] <enleth> yep, those wooden poles leaning over like they're about to topple
[10:34:08] <gregcnc> archivist everything here is long distance, locally most is under ground
[10:34:30] <enleth> I was in Las Vegas this month for a conference and took a tour through the actual LV, the part tourists are not supposed to see
[10:34:32] <archivist> I should scan the town pics I took
[10:34:41] <enleth> man, it looked like a backwater shithole from the 70s movies
[10:35:17] <enleth> anyway, I'm pretty sure that over here whole buildings here *can't* get a single phase supply for quite some time now
[10:35:38] <archivist> we stopped at a roadside view point, effing cables even there!
[10:35:46] <enleth> like, the utility company will just hook up three phases and if you don't need three, you just don't use the other two
[10:36:13] <gregcnc> right that's the difference in how things are done
[10:36:33] <enleth> it was too much hassle replacing the cables in the ground if someone changed their mind and ground-rated aluminum cables are cheap
[10:36:51] <enleth> so they only stock 4 conductor cabling
[10:46:13] <gregcnc> anyone need a 5kva 208-230 -> 400V 3p transformer?
[10:47:18] <Simonious> Big Jacob's ladder?
[10:47:34] * Simonious ponders
[10:47:55] <Simonious> plasma speaker?
[10:50:35] <gregcnc> 400V output not 5kV
[10:50:48] <Simonious> (it'll run backwards)
[10:51:21] <gregcnc> 5kVA is 5000VoltAmps
[10:51:29] <Simonious> yeah, that's a little light
[10:51:36] <Simonious> gang it with another transformer?
[10:53:15] <enleth> http://i.imgur.com/u79Xwfx.jpg - electrical base board for ORAC done
[10:53:24] <enleth> slides out completely
[10:59:54] <gregcnc> http://lb-cache1.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/3d-printing-world-record/
[11:02:06] <archivist> I thought some printed concrete was already larger
[11:03:15] <gregcnc> they forgot to call guinness
[11:03:54] <archivist> and the dutch who made a bridge over some water
[11:05:37] <gregcnc> printed 1650Lb of carbon reinforced ABS in 30 hours
[11:08:29] <roycroft> was the water troubled?
[11:28:17] <CaptHindsight> just got a reply from the sloppy leadscrew seller: "They all have decent amount of play by design to avoid binding. The only direction which matters for linear travel is the backlash because the linear shafts or rails control the rest."
[11:28:19] <nubcake> if my chinese-controller-board itself doesn't have endstop ports/sockets on it, can i just use microswitches and a stable +5V DC signal attached to the endstop pins ?
[11:29:26] <nubcake> (on parallel port i mean) so i practically have endswitches which are only detected by the software
[11:29:53] <nubcake> does anything speak against that?
[11:33:36] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: you're a bit short on a description. What software are you using? Linuxcnc? Like the name of this channel
[11:34:38] <CaptHindsight> which chinese-controller-board?
[11:38:52] <CaptHindsight> the seller did offer to refund me as well
[11:39:09] <nubcake> CaptHindsight, yes, I'm using linuxcnc, my chinese 3040T came with some controller-board that i cannot name since there's no print/tag on it. there are no options for endstops from what i can see. so my thought was, if i take a +5V source from e.g. the computers PSU and connect that to my NC microswitch on one end, and the other end to the parallel-port pin for the appropriate endstop (through a breakoutboard or something similar) that s
[11:39:09] <nubcake> hould give me the ability to use endstops which at least get detected by the software, doesn't it?
[11:39:32] <nubcake> please excuse my bad english, i'm not a native speaker :(
[11:39:54] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: what software does the controller use?
[11:40:26] <CaptHindsight> is the controller separate from the motor drivers?
[11:41:18] <nubcake> its a separate board but inside the controller-box and already wired up to all the drivers, the motors and spindle are already running and working fine
[11:41:28] <CaptHindsight> if the stepper drivers are separate then you can use a parallel port with break-out-board
[11:41:42] <nubcake> yes they are separate boards
[11:41:46] <nubcake> if that's what you meant
[11:41:58] <CaptHindsight> nubcake: what software runs the controller?
[11:42:21] <nubcake> i don't know, how can i find that out?
[11:42:59] <CaptHindsight> if you have Linuxcnc + parallel port with break-out-board then this can work
[11:43:35] <CaptHindsight> but not with Linuxcnc on parallel port with break-out-board and some other software controlling the motors
[11:43:36] <gregcnc> capthindsight did you get an antibacklash leadscrew with backlash at no charge?
[11:43:48] <nubcake> no no, there's no other software inbetween
[11:44:11] <nubcake> its linuxcnc -> parallel-port -> stepper/spindle-drivers -> machine
[11:44:22] <jdh> nubcake: got a pic of the controller? mine has holes but no pins for the reatbof the p-port
[11:44:33] <jdh> rest of
[11:44:35] <nubcake> i might have one, give me a sec.
[11:45:19] <nubcake> http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/20160827211049fr154dct26.jpg this is the spindle board, i'll have to upload the others, sec.
[11:47:09] <jdh> https://goo.gl/photos/iLhXvq1u54mdMgvS6 that's mine. can't see the rest of the board though
[11:47:12] <nubcake> hate my slow net :(
[11:49:09] <nubcake> http://goo.gl/XVCnlx sorry about the crappy angle, didn't get a good shot without taking the whole thing apart
[11:49:23] <nubcake> thats the parallel port-platine
[11:50:47] <jdh> mine has empty holes I could solder to if I really wanted to.
[11:52:17] <nubcake> mine just looks like crap..
[11:53:24] <nubcake> brb, dinner
[11:53:38] <nubcake> whoops.. was about to say brb, dinner's ready
[12:30:21] <nubcake> is there a way to run the machine through linuxcnc without actually having limit-switches or reference switches? the seller's manual shows how to do that in mach3, but i'm not sure about linuxcnc
[12:31:47] <cradek> you can home without switches. just move the machine to the right position and click home all.
[12:31:58] <cradek> you just configure it for no homing motion
[12:32:12] <nubcake> cradek, i'll try that, thanks :)
[12:33:43] <nubcake> uhm.. stupid question... where can i configure the no-homing ?
[12:35:28] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini-homing.html#_immediate_homing
[12:35:54] <nubcake> thanks again :)
[12:47:19] <plpower> hi
[12:48:15] <plpower> nubcake: its better to use 3 low cost endswitches
[12:48:21] <plpower> the benefit is amazing
[12:49:59] <plpower> nubcake: good fix on J-Connectors
[12:50:26] <nubcake> plpower, i do have the microswitches and wires all here with me, but i didn't solder the breakout stuff yet. not in the mood for wiring right now ^^
[12:50:43] <plpower> ok
[12:50:52] <plpower> so first mill ahead
[12:51:18] <plpower> today has been not my day runnig out of bits is quit boaring
[12:51:23] <nubcake> still not going to mill anything ^^ just trying out the software, testing and stuff
[12:51:32] <plpower> ok Granite is hard to mill
[12:51:33] <nubcake> haha i see what you did there :'D
[12:51:49] <nubcake> indeed is..
[12:52:31] <nubcake> just wondering, what parallel pin the chinese guys used for the pwm-spindle.. :/
[12:52:43] <plpower> i use 14
[12:52:59] <nubcake> i'll try, not much that could go wrong i guess ^^
[12:53:00] <plpower> or if you can use Databit
[12:53:08] <nubcake> i can't :/
[12:53:32] <plpower> dont use 1
[12:53:38] <nubcake> nah, 1 is already used
[12:53:40] <plpower> its most hazzard at all
[12:54:02] <plpower> only doubled bufferd switch on that pin
[12:55:08] <plpower> il ike BOB that uses opto->HC74-> opto
[12:55:19] <plpower> that never breaks
[12:55:47] <plpower> and if it has 2630 insted of 817 it will do a fast job
[12:55:55] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I haven't asked for a refund yet. I wonder if the seller would agree to modifying the listing to include the details about the tolerances?
[12:56:06] <plpower> the 817 opto is better for direct koppel relais at 25mA
[12:56:08] <CaptHindsight> probably not
[12:56:47] <nubcake> 14 didn't seem to do the trick :/
[12:57:01] <gregcnc> getting people to admit they made a mistake can be tough
[12:57:11] <plpower> i guess its on your config nubcake
[12:57:24] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: it's a philosophy
[12:57:40] <CaptHindsight> they don't see it as a mistake
[12:57:54] <CaptHindsight> it's was the design intention :)
[12:58:39] <nubcake> plpower, they don't tell which pin they use for it, so idk, all i can do is try
[12:58:58] <CaptHindsight> I purchased low cost leadscrews off of ebay a few years ago and they were brand new and not junk
[12:59:22] <nubcake> oh hooray, it's pin 1....
[12:59:31] <plpower> oh is it fix wirered so not your choiuce
[12:59:39] <nubcake> not yet my choice
[12:59:41] <gregcnc> when markets look profitable, they will put anything on it that looks acceptable
[12:59:56] <nubcake> i will take it apart once i'm in the mood for re-wiring the whole thing
[13:00:13] <plpower> nubcake: a Standard BOB is 8USD its fully on your own choice
[13:00:28] <nubcake> does that fit the rest of my box ?
[13:00:36] <nubcake> sorry, pretty new(b) to this :D
[13:00:46] <CaptHindsight> I know, plus it's from a place named Arduino Warehouse
[13:01:09] <nubcake> i do know electronics, but i don't have much knowledge about cnc stuff yet
[13:01:16] <CaptHindsight> I knew it would not be good but this is just ridiculous
[13:01:44] <plpower> nubcake: du youigo pwm Analog 0-10V to the VFD
[13:02:14] <plpower> i got a real good eagle shematic and board on that and it works fo all my VFD
[13:02:54] <CaptHindsight> I think the only place I could use this is to keep a table from rocking or weld it to support a joint
[13:03:28] <pink_vampire> my last 1/8" end mill die
[13:06:06] <plpower> oh he is gone
[13:08:44] <pink_vampire> i need a dentist for an odd question
[13:08:47] <plpower> nubcake: back ;-)
[13:09:11] <plpower> pink_vampire: they dont use 3.17mm bits
[13:09:28] <jdh> or chinese spindles
[13:09:33] <pink_vampire> i know
[13:09:33] <jdh> I hope
[13:09:53] <plpower> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-with-optical-coupler-For-Stepper-Motor-Driver-MACH3-/321565835927?hash=item4aded14297:g:5tUAAOSwQJ5UT1fX
[13:10:19] <pink_vampire> plpower: get the c10
[13:10:28] <plpower> its the same
[13:10:47] <pink_vampire> no
[13:10:56] <plpower> they are using real 817 optos so direct relay to pins
[13:11:04] <jdh> wow, they charge shipping
[13:11:40] <plpower> nubcake: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-with-optical-coupler-For-Stepper-Motor-Driver-MACH3-/321565835927
[13:11:57] <nubcake> oh sigh... now i know why my net is disconnecting... turned on the cnc: turns out it runs on the same phase as my d-lan adapter... :'D
[13:12:09] <nubcake> plpower, thank you, i'll look into it right now
[13:12:28] <plpower> nubcake: board for pwm to spidel direct vfd 0-10V http://foengarage.de/eaglepwm.jpg
[13:12:53] <plpower> i can give yo the files
[13:13:01] <plpower> for direct milling
[13:13:12] <nubcake> oh so you're german too, hallo :)
[13:13:20] <plpower> but im in europ parts in the us may not be the same
[13:13:36] <plpower> servus wo bist du
[13:13:39] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=66
[13:13:46] <nubcake> nähe Bamberg
[13:13:50] <plpower> nubcake: im in Zweibrücken
[13:13:55] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=78
[13:13:57] <nubcake> cool :)
[13:14:04] <pink_vampire> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/V-8AAOSwvg9XVFl5/s-l1600.jpg
[13:15:19] * JT-Shop has been to Stuttgart
[13:15:27] <pink_vampire> what do you think about 6 flute end mill?
[13:16:17] <plpower> pink_vampire: only on harden steel
[13:16:21] <archivist> that is for roughing
[13:16:43] <archivist> use proper sized endmills
[13:17:23] <plpower> 3flute is cheep 4 is best to run smooth
[13:17:45] <nubcake> brb
[13:18:02] <plpower> and co8 coaded on realy workpices
[13:21:45] <plpower> im off
[13:41:31] <CaptHindsight> ouch http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03350/expressway_saw_2_3350375b.jpg
[13:42:59] <CaptHindsight> how do you lose a blade that size?
[13:43:25] <Simonious> it was loaded loose for scrape I'll wager
[13:45:14] <CaptHindsight> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03350/expressway_saw_1_3350374b.jpg after the crash they just dumped it?
[13:45:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11692970/Flying-5ft-circular-saw-tears-through-Chinese-mans-car-on-motorway.html
[13:45:52] <CaptHindsight> ah probably more blades
[13:48:34] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/DdqAUi96V8U?t=19s
[14:06:07] <miss0r> I seriously can't seem to find a way to place this router anywhere
[14:07:09] <archivist> in the lounge
[14:07:33] <miss0r> like all of my equipment, if it is not in the shop, I won't use it
[14:08:02] <miss0r> I mean, I have a pretty big sj-16 surface grinder, at my friends place, that I probally have 30 mins on
[14:08:20] <miss0r> this is what happens if it not right under my nose
[14:19:18] <yasnak> got four of everything
[14:19:28] <yasnak> can never find a single one. story of my life
[14:19:36] <yasnak> its like running a daycare
[14:55:05] <JT-Shop> stupid usps just shipped a package for canada back to me and show it as delivered online tracking
[14:58:10] <_methods> oh that sux
[14:58:24] <_methods> delivered = they don't care what you say
[15:00:59] <JT-Shop> and labels are screwed up now from usps to international
[15:05:35] <Tom_itx> they're probably breaking in some new trainees
[15:06:41] <JT-Shop> you would think at least one would see the mistake
[15:06:57] <JT-Shop> like the bold FROM and TO boxes
[15:15:29] <Cromaglious_> For the love of Roy Orbinson... something went houston in my spindle speed control...hmmm could it be it's being fed 57V and it's rated 50v...
[15:17:22] <roycroft> most electronic devices can tolerate 10% or more voltage variance without catastropic effects, and them that can't are usually regulated so as to avoid such damage
[15:17:33] <roycroft> you're a wee bit over that 10% threshhold
[15:18:00] <roycroft> but i would not suspect overvoltage as the first possible cause
[15:24:52] <Cromaglious_> well 5v to pwm port does nada.. 0 on the motor terminals
[15:24:58] <Cromaglious_> dead
[15:27:28] <Cromaglious_> or is it wanting actual 1500hz PWM
[15:28:59] <Cromaglious_> External PWM input requirements: level 3.5-12V VPP, frequency 1K-5KHZ ,. duty cycle of 0% -93%.
[15:29:15] <Cromaglious_> time to find a arduino
[15:32:47] <Cromaglious_> input 0-5v into the arduino and have it output a on pin 5 using 1khz PWM
[15:34:30] <Cromaglious_> input 0-5v into the arduino and have it output an analogWrite(5,255/analogRead(0)/5) D5 and A0 on pin 5 using 1khz PWM
[15:35:13] <Cromaglious_> hmmm 1/2 second delay(500);
[15:46:39] * LeelooMinai watches some Titans of CNC video and lols
[15:46:48] <LeelooMinai> The guys are a bit over the top
[15:51:43] <gregcnc> maybe over the top, but i hear do very well for themslves
[15:52:24] <LeelooMinai> There's something weird about it though - it's like some commercial about "built in America":)
[15:52:47] <gregcnc> he says they told him to over act for TV
[15:53:00] <gregcnc> Oh that's his whole point bring manufacturing back to USA
[15:54:11] <LeelooMinai> I just watched them making some titanium part for a bike - foot pegs - and checked the price - they are $700:p
[15:54:26] <Cromaglious_> only way to bring manufacturing back to the US is automation
[15:54:57] <XXCoder> elio requires as part of corprate policy 90% or more of elio car must be made in usa.
[15:55:13] <gregcnc> I saw a commercial on TV for elio
[15:55:29] <XXCoder> really? havent watch tv for years
[15:55:55] <gregcnc> just the other day
[15:56:20] <Cromaglious_> federal budget was to be from import tarrifs.... what ever happen to that?
[15:56:21] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlyWMjSAehk this one?
[15:56:46] <LeelooMinai> I just googled "elio" and my first though was "ok... and who will make the other half of the car?"
[15:56:52] <XXCoder> they failed on 6,800 target, its now 7,300 for base
[15:56:58] <gregcnc> probably
[15:59:16] <LeelooMinai> It's not an electric car even
[15:59:51] <XXCoder> nah
[15:59:59] <XXCoder> its designed for commute car
[16:00:04] <XXCoder> one you drive to work everyday
[16:00:17] <XXCoder> combined with low mpg you probably wont need to refuel for weeks
[16:01:45] <Cromaglious_> I'd get one of those, doctors appointments, 2 to 4 maybe 6 bag shopping trips, take out the back seat and turn it into a work truck
[16:02:35] <XXCoder> sigh I meeant high mpg lol
[16:03:25] <miss0r2> For whatever reason I sometimes mix you, XXCoder, up with gregcnc. You are the one with an ebay style router, right?
[16:03:31] <LeelooMinai> If they could eliminate those left/right supports in the "cockpit" and make it seemless, it would be much nicer.
[16:03:40] <miss0r2> (don't know if that got through with my ridiculous connection here)
[16:03:50] <XXCoder> ebay style router? im guessing thats gregcnc
[16:04:31] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: it will be smaller but not gone on final
[16:04:42] <miss0r2> bleh... someone called rolf redfort?
[16:04:52] <XXCoder> I'm rolf yes heh
[16:05:20] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder, you have a 6090?
[16:05:35] <miss0r2> well then. in one of your videos, it looks like one of thoes 3040 ish ebay routers
[16:05:36] <XXCoder> 6090 whats it?
[16:05:45] <Cromaglious_> ebay cnc router
[16:06:03] <XXCoder> ahh sorry sometimes IT skills just take over, I was thinking network router lokl
[16:06:06] <Cromaglious_> 60cm x 90cm ish work area
[16:06:07] <XXCoder> yes I have 3040 router
[16:06:13] <XXCoder> but its from aliexpress not ebay
[16:06:28] <Cromaglious_> I'm working on my 3040 right now
[16:06:36] <Cromaglious_> pwm issues..
[16:06:46] <miss0r2> hehe. alright - the same model I think. I used to have one of thoes. I have some stuff that will make it alot better for you.
[16:06:46] <XXCoder> mines "broken", no way to fir real spindle to it.
[16:07:04] <XXCoder> example?
[16:08:11] <miss0r2> like - the linear rails(roundbar) are just sitting on the surface of the mounting plate. Making a bore for it will greatly improve acuracy
[16:08:35] <Cromaglious_> xx take a hacksaw to the mount. clamp the spindle to the bed, and mill the spindle carriage flat, dril some holes and mount a real spindle to it...
[16:09:12] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: it can hold only 43mm, and smallest "real" spindle is 52mm
[16:09:38] <gregcnc> my machine is FrankenMill â„¢
[16:09:48] <Cromaglious_> exactly.. Mines 52mm and a 1.5KW is 65mm or 80mm
[16:10:15] <XXCoder> my z block is not compitable with any of 52 mm spindle clamp
[16:10:25] <XXCoder> I plan to print up clamp for it
[16:10:29] <miss0r2> XXCoder You just need a new z-block
[16:10:59] <XXCoder> where do I find one that is compitable with my machine, AND can mount 52mm one? that'd save bunch time
[16:11:03] <Cromaglious_> you can't find some spots to drill and tap holes to mount a plate to which you can mount a 52,65,800mm spindle clamp?
[16:11:11] <Cromaglious_> 80 not 800
[16:11:24] <XXCoder> 800'd be larger than my machine lol
[16:11:27] <miss0r2> XXCoder: I think I have one laying aroung I machined for the purpose back in the day... never got around to using it... hang on
[16:11:30] <Cromaglious_> once you cut off the clamp portion
[16:12:23] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html this is my machine
[16:12:27] <XXCoder> look at clamp
[16:13:41] <miss0r2> XXCoder I have this one: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7Z25pMDV2QXh4blE
[16:14:00] <XXCoder> interesting
[16:14:03] <miss0r2> Its a z-block made for a 3040. If it fits and you want it, you can have it for the shipping fee (whatever it is)
[16:14:08] <XXCoder> think it would fit my machine?
[16:14:17] <XXCoder> see my link above
[16:14:17] <miss0r2> lets take some quick measurements
[16:14:28] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: That clamp loooks a bit weak - I would think that when you apply lateral force to the spindle, that clamp can bend...
[16:14:39] <XXCoder> lemme check rod to rod size
[16:14:42] <miss0r2> Diameter of the roundbars that make up the z-linear rails, and the distance from center to center of the two
[16:14:46] <Cromaglious_> that thing is ready to go.... unscrew the mount, get a bigger clamp... may have to make an intermediate plate...
[16:14:47] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: yah its designed for engraving not milling
[16:16:43] <XXCoder> miss0r2: 12 mm roughly for rods, and 65 mm for end to end
[16:16:47] <miss0r2> XXCoder Looking closer at the picture of your machine I dont think it will fit. It seems the two linear rails and the ballscrew are on a straight line, while on my old machine they were not.
[16:16:52] <Cromaglious_> outside to outside 65mm 12mm bar so 53mm center to center
[16:16:55] <XXCoder> 53mm for center to center I guess
[16:17:05] <Cromaglious_> same as mine
[16:17:36] <miss0r2> and this one is 64mm from center to center.
[16:17:47] <miss0r2> Sorry about that. I thought I had a taker for this one ;)
[16:17:52] <Cromaglious_> 120mm long rods
[16:18:06] <XXCoder> miss0r2: thanks for offer though :)
[16:18:39] <miss0r2> No problem. I once had a 3040t (t for tough luck)
[16:18:55] <miss0r2> I quickly moved on, I seriously couldn't live with it.
[16:19:11] <Deejay> gn8
[16:19:43] <XXCoder> I just wish I bought 52mm one :(
[16:19:46] <XXCoder> sucks
[16:20:05] <miss0r2> Yesterday I but the spindle from my old 3040 cnc into the lathe, and turned down the casing to fit the 52mm bracket on my newly aquired x-carve
[16:20:35] <miss0r2> It turned out pretty good. Who would have thought chinese designed and build "spindles" had so much metal in the casing.
[16:21:11] <miss0r2> I say "spindle" because it is just a motor with a small ball bearing in each end, where in one they soldered on an ER11 collect
[16:22:18] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder, you can take this one and drill some holes to match what you have and mount a 1.5kw http://www.ebay.com/itm/65mm-Diameter-Spindle-Motor-Mount-Bracket-Clamp-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Mill-Grind-/222190520918?hash=item33bb964a56:g:dtsAAOSwIgNXjLM9
[16:22:38] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: 63mm hole pattern
[16:22:58] <XXCoder> so yeah it would have to be inside somewhere there heh
[16:23:09] <Cromaglious_> drill holes and counter bore... yep
[16:23:25] <XXCoder> the entire z block is 70 mm widw
[16:23:35] <miss0r2> XXCoder: where are you located?
[16:23:43] <XXCoder> washington state in usa
[16:23:45] <Cromaglious_> use the 43mm to make some flat spots and then spot the centers to dril on a drill press
[16:24:21] <miss0r2> XXCoder damn. I would gladly machine you a new z-axis block that would fit a larger spindle, but I think the shipping would be inzane (i'm in denmark)
[16:24:26] <Cromaglious_> <- is 2miles from sandiego county on I15
[16:25:09] <XXCoder> miss indeed denmark usually pretty dang high shipping rates
[16:25:52] <miss0r2> miss <- what an unfortunate short :)
[16:26:10] <XXCoder> yeah was tab complete fail'
[16:26:35] <miss0r2> no worries. alot of english natives mistake this name for me being female
[16:26:46] <XXCoder> seller finally replied!
[16:26:57] <XXCoder> guy says can just install 52mm subassembly
[16:27:14] <Cromaglious_> I may just take the sawzall oops pops has that... Take my Ryobi recip saw and cut off my mount... and clamp the spindle to the bed and do it myself on mine
[16:27:18] <XXCoder> I guess of same version byt yeah
[16:27:39] <XXCoder> time to go to work laters
[16:27:48] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder, you wanna trade mounts?
[16:28:00] <Cromaglious_> I have a 52mm and want yours
[16:28:11] <XXCoder> possibly but I have to go now unfortunately
[16:28:16] <Cromaglious_> laterz
[16:29:32] <miss0r2> hmm. this x-carve is not realy happy about windows xp it seems
[16:32:12] <miss0r2> reboot !
[16:51:14] <Cromaglious_> x-carve uses GRBL board right?
[16:51:46] <Lowridah> yea
[16:51:50] <Tom_itx> anybody use notepad++ ?
[16:51:50] <Cromaglious_> mr miss0r2 fell off
[16:52:00] <Cromaglious_> Tom_itx, I do...
[16:52:03] <Lowridah> i have in the past, but it's inferior to atom
[16:52:08] <Tom_itx> wondering if you can split the screen on the same file
[16:52:09] <Lowridah> and a lot of other modern text editors
[16:52:28] <Cromaglious_> I believe so...
[16:52:52] <Cromaglious_> and it leaves artifacts in .txt files it shuoldn't
[16:53:37] <Tom_itx> do you know how?
[16:54:02] <Cromaglious_> ummm gotta go find my wifes winbloz machine to look it up
[16:54:05] <Tom_itx> PN does just fine but i'm using them both side by side
[16:54:17] <Cromaglious_> window->split not there?
[16:54:31] <Tom_itx> n0
[16:56:13] <Tom_itx> no matter.. i'll use the other one
[16:56:38] <Crom> ack not on that machine... installing... well downloading right now 1.9 of 4
[16:57:49] <Crom> this nick is using a Thinkpad T60 in the living room and the Cromaglious_ is using a ITX Linux debian atom dual core on the back patio
[16:58:22] <Crom> Cromaglious is a HP DV4 which isn't on right now
[16:58:46] <Crom> it's the Laserweb3 machine for the smoothieware board
[17:03:10] <Crom> hmmm not there... Maybe I was thinking of Ultraedit
[17:04:15] <gennro> Anyone know of any good gcode generators that can take a black and white picture and convert to gcode?
[17:04:56] <Crom> inkscape has a number of extensions which can do that
[17:05:14] <Crom> turnkey is one..
[17:05:36] <Crom> laserweb3
[17:06:02] <gennro> ah, inkscape
[17:06:24] <gennro> thanks, I forgot inkscape had a gcode genrator
[17:06:39] <Crom> I like turnkey laser extension in inkscape
[17:06:58] <Crom> it doesnt... there are extensions that do
[17:08:18] <gennro> yeah was playing with x-carve but it will only connect directly to a GRBL controlled machine and won't output gcode
[17:09:59] <gennro> My big machine runs mach3 and my smaller machine runs with a grbl controller
[17:10:20] <Crom> and you're chatting in Linuxcnc
[17:11:27] <gennro> yeah I use linuxcnc also =)
[17:11:44] <Crom> Laser cutters k40 one is a RAMPS 1.4 and the other is a MKS Gen V1.4.. working on getting a MKS Sbase into one.
[17:12:09] <gennro> I figure most of us in here run a bit of everything
[17:12:49] <Crom> I have the 3040 which right now is a parallel BOB and TB6600 drivers running linuxcnc... looking at running it off a MKS Gen v1.4 as well
[17:13:10] <ctjctj> Hello again. Does anybody have a bit of probing code to calculate the R value of G10 L2 ?
[17:13:20] <gennro> yeah I converted my 3040 to running grbl using an arduino i had laying around
[17:13:50] <Crom> I have to look through Marlin code to see if I can make the pins open drains instead of outputting 5v
[17:14:26] <gennro> I have a ramps 1.4 not doing anything currently
[17:15:13] <gennro> since I switched my 3d printer to smoothie I haven't messed with marlin/ramps since
[17:16:09] <Crom> I have 3 MKS gen boards, a arduino Due w ramps-fd, and a ano grbl board I've had zero luck with
[17:16:19] <Crom> s/ano/nano/
[17:16:46] <Crom> and the mega2560+ ramps 1.4 I think I have 3 or 4 of those
[17:17:05] <gennro> yeah that stuff starts to collect fast
[17:17:09] <Crom> have 2 repraps which have 0% of ever running
[17:17:40] <Crom> probably steal the nema17's for a router xcarve style
[17:17:54] <gennro> I use my 3d printer all the time
[17:18:18] <Crom> Have an Airwolf 3d HD2x we're finally getting going
[17:19:12] <Crom> bowden tubes.. mouse bites on the filaments all the time..
[17:19:15] <gennro> Nice, I hope that is polycarb and not acrylic though =)
[17:20:05] <Crom> the case? don't know..
[17:20:12] <gennro> I just got done designing my new 3D printer
[17:22:50] <gennro> I liked the linear slides on my laser engraver so much I design a 3D printer using them
[17:23:42] <Crom> the K40 8x12 work space is just too damn small... the 3040 is just as bad at 11x14
[17:24:43] <gennro> I was thinking that K40 would be ideal to scavenge parts out of to make a much bigger machine
[17:25:42] <gennro> I have a 50W machine I bought back in May that has worked very well for me
[17:25:56] <gennro> spent about $1500 on it
[17:26:15] <Crom> just might start building a 48x48" laser cutter...
[17:27:08] <gennro> open or closed design?
[17:27:57] <Crom> just have to figure out how to make it stand on edge when not in use. or make it ala a HO scale railroad set and lift it to the ceiling when not in use
[17:28:16] <Crom> closed for fume extraction
[17:28:20] <gennro> yeah that is my problem, not enough space =)
[17:29:26] <gennro> my big cnc engraver I build a rolling cart for
[17:29:33] <gennro> built*
[17:30:24] <Crom> I figure I can stack a 5x9' cnc router with the laser on top onto a cutting table for sewing... lift the laser up, router down to use the spindle, drop both to use the laser
[17:32:13] <Crom> going to get rid of my Sheldon lathe, and get a bigger gear head lathe and a SX45 bolton or g0704 GRIZZLY mill
[17:32:29] <gennro> nice
[17:33:25] <Crom> lathe and mill will go into a shed I build behind the kitchen... I get 220v 50amp and natural gas off that wall..
[17:33:50] <Crom> and you can't even see it from any window that corner of the yard is dead space
[17:34:10] <Crom> last 10 years it's been the compost heap
[17:34:56] <Crom> and palm tree nursery... damn neighbor.. at least he cut it down last year
[17:35:24] <Crom> 27 of them little SOB's! they don't wanna die!
[17:36:55] <Crom> might put the 5x9 out there as well... further away from the bedrooms
[17:41:20] <Crom> finally! a decent external driver page for smoothie http://smoothieware.org/general-appendixes#external-drivers
[17:45:26] <Crom> oooo this might fix my 0.26 problem... 0.26o or 0.26ov... K40 firing the laser... grounding the pin should do it
[17:47:00] <Crom> 0.25 may be the best... using a mosfett to sink it to ground
[17:47:19] <gennro> ah the smoothie pins
[18:22:11] <MacGalempsy> hello
[18:22:28] <BeachBumPete> hello
[18:22:41] <MacGalempsy> hey pete, Im sure you are missing the humidity!
[18:23:00] <MacGalempsy> i just had to shower after unloading this drill press
[18:23:15] <BeachBumPete> man it has been unusually humid here lately
[18:23:33] <BeachBumPete> I am doing some custom cabinet installs right now in some nice condos on the beach
[18:23:51] <MacGalempsy> everything super sealed twice?
[18:24:01] <BeachBumPete> just going out on the deck overlooking the ocean and make a few cuts and you are sweating pretty good
[18:24:35] <BeachBumPete> today it was pretty windy from the storm in the gulf so it was not as bad as it has been
[18:25:01] <BeachBumPete> the surf was kinda cranking there were surfers all over the beach... :D
[18:25:37] <MacGalempsy> check out this crazy fixture the guy threw in with the drill press
[18:25:38] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/29269539311/in/dateposted-public/
[18:26:17] <BeachBumPete> looks like something to hold round stock for drilling
[18:26:20] <MacGalempsy> two pneumatic actuators
[18:26:31] <BeachBumPete> looks pretty well made albeit rusty
[18:26:43] <MacGalempsy> it was used by Trane to drill coils
[18:26:57] <MacGalempsy> skip to the next pic and you will see the press
[18:26:59] <BeachBumPete> was that a mother of a drill press?
[18:27:11] <MacGalempsy> yeah, just got it unloaded
[18:27:20] <BeachBumPete> hey nice wilton
[18:27:52] <MacGalempsy> its going to need a little work, but its a beast. while we were loading it, 3 ppl called about it
[18:28:15] <BeachBumPete> that reminds me of the big grizzly press we had in the wood shop it had a big wide base and large table
[18:28:30] <BeachBumPete> I would like to grab one like that for the shop
[18:28:48] <BeachBumPete> does it have the tapping feature?
[18:29:15] <MacGalempsy> no, but maybe after adding the vfd it will work right
[18:29:36] <LeelooMinai> I t has handled for changing RPM?
[18:29:41] <LeelooMinai> handles*
[18:29:47] <BeachBumPete> well don't need a vfd really just slow speed and reversing
[18:30:01] <MacGalempsy> yeah. it is a 2 speed motor and a 8 gear box
[18:30:04] <BeachBumPete> and a quick reflex :D
[18:30:13] <LeelooMinai> I have to play with some bands in mind to change RPM:/
[18:30:37] <MacGalempsy> LeelooMinai: as long as it works.
[18:30:37] <BeachBumPete> is your benchmate working yet?
[18:30:44] <MacGalempsy> this one was only $250
[18:30:53] <MacGalempsy> yeah. I have run a few operations
[18:31:14] <MacGalempsy> the spindle is not PID tuned by linuxcnc, but it seems to be going
[18:31:22] <BeachBumPete> sweet
[18:31:24] <MacGalempsy> still need to get the 4th axis going and the atc going
[18:39:20] <Cromaglious_> still haven't found the tail stock for my 4th axis
[18:40:02] <Cromaglious_> wooo nice atc
[18:40:40] <MacGalempsy> who?
[18:40:50] <Cromaglious_> you
[18:42:40] <Cromaglious_> we cleaned up the makerspace last october and the tail stock for the 3040 disappeared... still haven't found it
[18:42:57] <MacGalempsy> thanks, it doesnt work right now
[18:43:06] <MacGalempsy> can you just buy one online or make one?
[18:45:28] <Cromaglious_> I would think you could make one... round plate with slots with a R8 spindle you could use a 3/4" collet, and a 3/8" paddle impact. On the plate cut some rebated areas for the TTS style tool holder
[18:46:56] <Cromaglious_> stepper for the plate, maybe a stepper for a slide to hold the tool holder down when the spindle retracts
[18:49:14] <Cromaglious_> plate rotates, spindle lowers to load position, slide slides out, impact unscrews collet, spindle retract and pulls tool holder out, slide retracts, plate spins to new tool, spindle lowers, impact tights collet, rectract, retract tool plate, mill
[18:49:57] <Cromaglious_> maybe solenoid to lower impact
[18:50:36] <Cromaglious_> RC servo could actuate the impact butterfly
[18:51:22] <Cromaglious_> tormach uses an air cylinder to compress the spring washers to release the tool holder
[18:53:07] <Cromaglious_> the hard part is the locking into the spindle...
[18:53:24] <Cromaglious_> tormach TTS is pretty sweet
[18:55:04] <Cromaglious_> speed control still works.. pwm input is flackey..
[19:01:07] <enleth> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nottinghack/albums/72157632207307265 - some very nice photos of a manual J head Bridgeport being completely overhauled, taken at Nottingham Hackerspace
[19:01:35] <enleth> best I've seen to date, I think
[19:01:58] <enleth> must see for anyone taking apart a classic Bridgeport for the first time
[19:11:19] <Cromaglious_> hmmm time to figure out this induction home for Y
[19:19:42] <Frank_17> :D hi
[19:20:14] <tiwake> ponies
[19:21:02] <Frank_17> ducks
[19:21:40] <Cromaglious_> blue grnd, black 24+, brown + conducts on home
[19:25:00] <Cromaglious_> black is power for sense, brown is + leg of switched..
[19:32:30] <Cromaglious_> fudge...need to put in an opto isolator.. otherwise I'm hooking the mill side to the PC side...
[19:36:11] <MacGalempsy> man I thought this drill press was 230 but it is actually 460
[19:37:51] <tiwake> at my new job, they have a huge 3-phase transformer... probably 6'x4'x12' or something
[19:38:24] <LeelooMinai> I watch a video and they guy repeats "3d noman" or something like this to describe the 3-axis marker - what is the "noman" there?
[19:39:35] <Cromaglious_> should be able to wire it for 230
[19:39:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe "3d normal", I don't know
[19:39:57] <Cromaglious_> MacGalempsy, is there a wiring diagram on the inside of the wiring cover on the motor?
[19:40:57] <Cromaglious_> induction sensor no longer working... don't where the others got to
[19:41:43] <MacGalempsy> yeah. i was just looking
[19:43:46] <LeelooMinai> Here's him saying that "noman": https://youtu.be/6FzbZNhey2w?list=PL40d7srwyc_OmRH4UQ_E-6UB-GbhPdjc8&t=358
[19:43:55] <LeelooMinai> Any idea what he ia actualy saing there? :)
[19:43:58] <Cromaglious_> if the line in wires are wire nutted to 4 wires (5 total) then yes you can get it rewired
[19:47:20] <Cromaglious_> http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/how-to-rewire-a-3-phase-motor-for-low-voltage-230v.859/
[19:47:34] <Cromaglious_> LeelooMinai, I can't play it here.. lemme switch computers
[19:49:19] <Crom> ok checking...
[19:50:46] <roycroft> "noman" is not a word in the english language
[19:51:04] <roycroft> don't watch videos made by guys who smoke crack and make up words :)
[19:51:06] <Crom> ugh.. can't jump to the time mark... I have to start from the begining
[19:51:52] <LeelooMinai> Well, he seems to be competent - I think it's just some accent issue... The only thing that comes to my mind is "normal", but does not sound like it
[19:52:34] <LeelooMinai> He refers to this thing: http://i.imgur.com/HHMJL6Q.png
[19:55:24] <roycroft> solidworks folks refer to that as a "triad"
[19:55:57] <LeelooMinai> Right, he uses some other word definitelly
[19:57:53] <roycroft> well translate his weird word into something you can understand in your head
[19:58:06] <roycroft> i'm still voting for crack smoker though
[19:58:09] <eeriegeek> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomon
[19:58:15] <roycroft> to pull a word out of the air like that
[19:58:22] <eeriegeek> the axis marker
[19:58:39] <LeelooMinai> O, here you go
[19:58:45] <Crom> almost sounds like noman short for normenclature. he's refering to his 3d orientation arrow thingy
[19:58:47] <roycroft> possibly, eeriegeek
[19:58:56] <roycroft> i've never heard it used like that though
[19:59:25] <roycroft> although i see that wikipedia page suggests that it's used that way for 3d computer graphics
[19:59:57] <Crom> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/3DGraphicsGnomon.png
[20:00:01] <LeelooMinai> Right "A three-dimensional gnomon is commonly used in CAD and computer graphics as an aid to positioning objects in the virtual world. By convention, the X axis direction is colored red, the Y axis green and the Z axis blue."
[20:00:09] <LeelooMinai> Seems to match
[20:00:09] <roycroft> i can still say it's not a word in the english language though
[20:00:12] <roycroft> since it's a greek word :)
[20:00:13] <MacGalempsy> so it looks manageable. there is a 240/480 3 phase to 24v transformer
[20:00:48] <Crom> you have the loose wires or the 9 screw grid?
[20:05:10] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, so what do people usually use for finding the edge of the material? Sans those expensive probes that is. Are the simple edge finders good enough? Or maybe indicators are better? Something to sue before I build my own probe.
[20:07:44] <MacGalempsy> there is a swtich, reset, fuse breaker and the 24v converter
[20:07:55] <MacGalempsy> connecting that to the motor is T1 T2 T3
[20:08:37] <MacGalempsy> from what it looks like, I should get the rated VFD and plug T1, T2, T3 into it, then wire the vfd to the 230v cord
[20:08:42] <MacGalempsy> seems pretty easy
[20:09:03] <MacGalempsy> I am curious about the 2speed motor switch
[20:16:15] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't know how would one use dial indicator to find the endge - they don't seem to be mountable in the spindle, so how would one know that the tip is concentric with the spindle axis...
[20:17:55] <MacGalempsy> how about a touchprobe?
[20:18:15] <MacGalempsy> or how about an edge finder?
[20:19:05] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I plan to make one eventually, but till then. As to the edge finder - not sure if that is convenient/easy to use (?)
[20:19:40] <LeelooMinai> Not sure how it works - you have to spin it and the two cylinders have to align?
[20:19:51] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Y6xR7iCto
[20:23:51] <MacGalempsy> pretty basic, right?
[20:24:27] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, the moving it "a bit" to make it out of balance again is a bit weird to me
[20:24:53] <LeelooMinai> He did not say how much and what for.
[20:25:23] <MacGalempsy> so basically you will know when it jumps off. then use the radius of the wobbler to know how far off the edge you are
[20:25:39] <gregcnc> no probe, no edge finder, just an indicator or if I need it the endmill itself with continuity test. quite often my parts are round or second op goes into soft jaws in the vise
[20:25:48] <LeelooMinai> Right, that's understandable, but why not step when it was perfectly balanced?
[20:26:07] <LeelooMinai> stop*
[20:26:51] <gregcnc> you can use the two speed switch as normal, but don't switch it while VFD is on.
[20:27:09] <LeelooMinai> gregcnc: As to the indicator I don't understand how one corelates the tip position with the spindle axis center.
[20:28:19] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWctxBseno
[20:28:21] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, the other guy stopped when the edge finder was balanced.
[20:28:53] <LeelooMinai> So maybe the first one was compensating for something from experience.
[20:33:18] <LeelooMinai> gregcnc: Hmm...
[20:33:33] <LeelooMinai> So, I guess the key is that he rotates the indicator...
[20:34:32] <LeelooMinai> So that makes him finding the position where the circle centered at the axis is tangent to the workpiece
[20:36:05] <gregcnc> it good for precise alignment
[20:36:07] <LeelooMinai> And since the diameter of the circle is same on both measurements, it canels out and he can find the center.
[20:36:47] <LeelooMinai> But, that's the center, not edge...
[20:37:16] <LeelooMinai> Well, I guess he also has the width, so center + half the width gives him that
[20:37:26] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: You around?
[20:38:19] <LeelooMinai> But I guess the same can be done with the edge finder, but in reverse - find edges, then you have the center
[20:38:46] <LeelooMinai> Not sure which method is easier now:)
[20:39:22] <gregcnc> for stock just jog until endmill shaves the block
[20:40:03] <LeelooMinai> Aliexpress has some indicators like that (lever type?), for $13, but I suspect those are crappy... The "brand" ones, like Shahe, are $40+
[20:40:18] <LeelooMinai> And Mitutoyo, well, no need to mention
[20:40:33] <gregcnc> mitutoyo is starting level for indicators
[20:40:39] <LeelooMinai> lol
[20:41:00] <gregcnc> anything less is paperweight when you need accuracy
[20:41:41] <gregcnc> but it all depends on what you need and want
[20:41:47] <tiwake> mitutoyo is pretty good, or at least used to be... I havent bought anything new from them *shrug*
[20:42:07] <LeelooMinai> So now what, you buy from NASA? :p
[20:42:28] <roycroft> hey
[20:42:33] <roycroft> i drank a lot of tang when i was a wee laddie
[20:43:01] <tiwake> no... nasa has been crap since the early 1970's
[20:43:24] <tiwake> well, and by extension the entirety of USA
[20:44:11] <roycroft> that's not true at all
[20:44:20] <roycroft> we're not living up to our potential, i'll grant
[20:44:31] <roycroft> but we're still a great, innovative nation
[20:44:39] <roycroft> we just have a few things to fix
[20:44:51] <LeelooMinai> Wait till the elections - will be not true any more:)
[20:44:55] <tiwake> 1972 was the last moon landing... the only reason why USA is alright is because all the other countries suck so much more
[20:45:01] <gregcnc> we have the best football, baseball, and performers
[20:45:09] <tiwake> thats not an excuse to not be awesome
[20:45:11] <gregcnc> what else could one want
[20:45:23] <LeelooMinai> Right, but no one cares about football outside od USA
[20:45:44] <tiwake> LeelooMinai: outside of USA does not matter anyway
[20:45:46] <tiwake> so whatever
[20:45:47] <roycroft> actually, the only real football is played outside the usa :)
[20:45:48] <tiwake> :P
[20:46:01] <roycroft> we usurped the name of the actual sport
[20:46:11] <roycroft> and applied to some perversion
[20:46:12] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, that's true too - no idea why football is called football
[20:46:17] <tiwake> roycroft: take the best from other countries and make it better
[20:46:48] <tiwake> except that idea kinda died in the 1970's
[20:46:56] <tiwake> so bleh
[20:47:22] <roycroft> we did well in the '70s
[20:47:32] <roycroft> it was the '80s and reaganomics when things started going downhill
[20:47:38] <LeelooMinai> Every country did well... sometime
[20:47:44] <roycroft> massive tax cuts
[20:47:50] <roycroft> followed by massive budget cuts
[20:47:59] <roycroft> followed by massive tax increases (during the reagan regime)
[20:48:13] <roycroft> followed by massive increase in investment in the military/industrial complex
[20:48:46] <roycroft> instead of the government working for all the people it started working only for the 1%
[20:48:56] <roycroft> and that's where we've been since the '80s
[20:49:03] <gregcnc> Interapid makes a nice indicator
[20:49:40] <LeelooMinai> This looks interesting, but no idea if it's good: https://www.amazon.ca/Accusize-0-0005-Graduation-Indicator-JD21-0003/dp/B00HYKNY8E
[20:49:51] <tiwake> I guess the X series of aircraft since the 70's have been kinda useful
[20:50:36] <gregcnc> you need a lot of Z space to use those, OK on a full size mill
[20:51:05] <LeelooMinai> Right
[20:52:28] <roycroft> most coaxial indicators are crap, from what i'm told and have read
[20:52:42] <roycroft> $108 CDN is like US$75
[20:52:42] <gregcnc> they are for finding center of round features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNcqw6e8mCw
[20:52:57] <roycroft> and that doesn't sound expensive enough to be a good indicator
[20:53:10] <gregcnc> I just use a regular one
[20:53:12] <roycroft> not that an expensive one is inherently good
[20:53:23] <roycroft> but a cheap one is inherently not so good
[20:54:19] <roycroft> most dros have code to easily find the center of a round feature with just an edge finder
[20:57:55] <dioz> i just lifted i just lifted 3800 pounds
[20:58:01] <dioz> in 10 minutes
[20:58:14] <Crom> if I clamp a part to the table with fish paper or other insulator, it's easy to use a piece of drill rod to run a program to get centers of metal things
[20:58:50] <Crom> cardboard off the back of a pad of paper...
[21:00:41] <Crom> need to read up on scripts for linuxcnc
[21:07:40] <Frank_18> stupid question: mesa card 5i25 is it bad to instert/take apart from the pci slot less than 50 times?
[21:08:40] <LeelooMinai> imo should not be a problem, unless for some reason you have crappy connectors there
[21:09:15] <LeelooMinai> But that kind of connectors is usually rated at much higher insertion cycles
[21:10:43] <Frank_18> cool thx, its just that im figuring out how to hang the board so that it doesnt wiggle on the motherboard, cuz its not on a pc case
[21:11:03] <LeelooMinai> To be sure you would have to trace the manufacturer of that connector part
[21:11:49] <LeelooMinai> And the other thing is how the edge connector on the mesa part is plated - if it has proper thickness, gold plated or not, etc.
[21:13:13] <Frank_18> yep
[21:15:50] <enleth> Frank_18: get a can of high quality contact cleaner spray and apply it from time to time
[21:21:32] <Crom> in 10 minutes that's moving alot...
[21:31:35] <Frank_18> enleth: yeah i should do that, they say isopropyl works too for that
[21:35:02] <Crom> damn... I'm going to have to build a windows computer... or buy one... I need something to run fusion 360 on
[21:35:36] <Crom> hmm I'll have to see if it'll run under wine
[21:42:05] <Crom> hmm $300 for a 17" hp
[21:42:47] <Cromaglious_> cooler outside now...
[22:07:51] <Cromaglious_> X is 16 microstep, 200 per rev 3.8661mm rev, made y the same, z is a bit different
[22:10:32] <Cromaglious_> dang Y is giving my Y home switch inactive before start of backoff
[22:10:39] <Cromaglious_> s/my/me/
[22:16:41] <Cromaglious_> sheeshz... how about soldering the wires to the limits? DOH!
[22:18:49] <TurBoss1> Hi
[22:19:33] <TurBoss1> in Master branch from git and Axis Gui z movement is freezed in the 3d view
[22:19:50] <TurBoss1> not sure what happends to the motor because i don't have any attached
[22:19:53] <TurBoss1> will try no
[22:22:21] <TurBoss1> *now
[22:39:54] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: re
[22:58:24] <Cromaglious_> hmmm there is enough room under the gantry to put an ar-15 receiver.... now to figure out how to clamp it really really well
[23:00:39] <Cromaglious_> guess I have to order those 123 blocks
[23:01:08] <dioz> anyone weld here much?
[23:01:17] <dioz> what is the difference between a expensive and a cheap welder mask?
[23:01:35] <tiwake> electric and not?
[23:01:55] <dioz> auto darkening
[23:02:46] <TurBoss1> is posible to add 1 more stepgen?
[23:03:03] <TurBoss1> and how? I can only have 3 in my hal file
[23:03:30] <TurBoss1> I cant see where are initialized and how many
[23:05:31] <TurBoss1> ok i found
[23:05:39] <TurBoss1> step_type=0,0,0,0
[23:06:13] <Cromaglious_> dioz not much...head band will last longer in a good one
[23:06:20] <Cromaglious_> my original haraborfreight is still working good.. it's on it's 4th head band
[23:07:48] <TurBoss1> ok no problem with z axis in Axis gui 3d view once motor is attached and its stepgens in place
[23:37:43] <Cromaglious_> wish I had a $1000 and wheels to get to tempe az http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAXNC-Closed-Loop-CNC-Milling-Machine-including-Software-Windows-XP-Computer-/282149699183?hash=item41b16ebe6f:g:PyYAAOSwqfNXlXXR