#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-08-28

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[01:06:19] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[01:06:26] <Contract_Pilot> Got the Home Switch Mounted today hope no issues
[01:06:40] <XXCoder> good luck
[01:06:55] <XXCoder> though I recommand test by manually triggering it yourself
[01:07:04] <XXCoder> rather than auto machine home or something]
[01:09:31] <C_P-Away> Wait for time out
[01:09:47] <C_P-Away> Hope wil work right www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/image-32.jpeg
[01:12:50] <Contract_Pilot> Also got zero backlash nut on the screw. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/image-39-1024x768.jpeg
[02:26:00] <Deejay> moin
[03:00:17] <Valduare> looking for easy way to generate some gcode
[03:00:30] <Valduare> built a little cd rom stepper plotter to play with
[03:00:43] <XXCoder> svg or dxf to gcode
[03:06:35] <Valduare> grblcontroller seems to only take .nc files
[03:07:31] <renesis> the file type is completely irrelevant
[03:07:35] <renesis> its plain text
[03:07:46] <renesis> it wants nc files, rename them .nc
[03:11:07] <Valduare> k
[03:14:42] <Valduare> need to figure how to calibrate this thing
[03:15:13] <Valduare> I have an arduino cnc shield on an uno a4988 step sticks in it with all 3 jumpers in for each step stick
[03:15:29] <Valduare> cd rom steppers and a floppy disk for z-axis
[03:16:12] <Valduare> how do I figure out the step/mm
[03:17:04] <XXCoder> Valduare: can do this
[03:17:07] <XXCoder> command one cm
[03:17:12] <XXCoder> check line size
[03:17:57] <Valduare> ruler work for this or do I need calipers?
[03:18:07] <XXCoder> for crude confirm ruler is fine
[03:18:13] <Valduare> k
[03:18:43] <XXCoder> it will be confirmed to .01" which isnt very good but enough to know you got pretty close then use caliper to fine adjustments
[03:18:54] <XXCoder> or maybe youre lucky and it needs whole number mm per turn
[03:19:46] <Valduare> ok
[03:19:59] <Valduare> looking up how to do the 1cm movement command now heh
[03:20:47] <XXCoder> im starting to forget gcode :( been too long running a cell
[03:24:36] <Valduare> hmm not finding anything with google
[03:25:16] <XXCoder> g1g90g54x0.
[03:25:26] <XXCoder> x10.
[03:25:30] <Valduare> so 1cm is 10mm?
[03:25:41] <XXCoder> it will move it to x0, then to x10
[03:25:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:26:03] <Valduare> on grblcontroller there’s a dropdown for step size
[03:26:29] <Valduare> that should be on 1?
[03:26:42] <renesis> that has to do with driving the hardware
[03:26:43] <Valduare> oh nm that’s just for axis manual control
[03:27:10] <renesis> resolution is kind of abstracted out of gcode
[03:27:25] <renesis> you tell it where to go and the controllers put the machine as close as it can
[03:27:38] <XXCoder> indeed
[03:27:51] <renesis> it wont error out because you put in a dimension that falls in between the steps
[03:28:12] <Valduare> ok its 3am and im fading but it appears that had it move 3mm acording to my ruler
[03:29:15] <XXCoder> hmm looks like yu overshot with mm per rotation
[03:29:40] <XXCoder> mutliple it with 3.33
[03:29:47] <XXCoder> then try round to closest mm and see
[03:30:33] <XXCoder> hopefully yours is integar mm per rotation.
[03:31:06] <XXCoder> sigh I thought though math wrong I think
[03:31:19] <XXCoder> so it thinks it traveled 10mm but went 3 mm
[03:31:34] <XXCoder> divide mm per rotation by 3.33 not multiple
[03:36:21] <Valduare> ok set the steps/mm in grbl to 53.33 for x/y
[03:36:29] <Valduare> did the 10 test and got 5mm
[03:36:45] <XXCoder> divide it by 2
[03:39:56] <Valduare> im getting close
[03:40:51] <XXCoder> yeah? try round to closest integer
[03:40:56] <XXCoder> whats number now anyway
[03:44:31] <Valduare> set the steps/mm to 106.66
[03:44:36] <Valduare> and its darn close
[03:47:10] <XXCoder> try 107
[03:47:18] <XXCoder> or maybe 110
[03:49:49] <XXCoder> steps / mm heh I did though it was mm per rotation setting
[03:52:18] <Valduare> ah
[03:52:26] <Valduare> well im happy so far
[03:52:43] <Valduare> got it close enough to be able to output drawings to it and have them fit within the confines of this tiny platform heh
[03:53:06] <XXCoder> howclose did you get?
[03:53:12] <XXCoder> center of start to center of end>?
[03:54:02] <Valduare> printed a 35mm star and it measures 34mm
[03:55:07] <XXCoder> still 106.66?
[03:55:11] <XXCoder> try 107?
[03:59:01] <Valduare> k
[04:01:35] <Valduare> looks about spot on now
[04:01:44] <XXCoder> nice!
[04:01:53] <XXCoder> it should be accurate enough for lashup job there :D
[04:01:55] <Valduare> this is fun
[04:02:07] <Valduare> my wife got mad at me
[04:02:25] <Valduare> she seen this little contraption on my desk the other night and thought this was the 3d printer I had recently ordered
[04:02:37] <Valduare> she was livid! that I spent that much money on this piece of crap haha
[04:02:42] <XXCoder> lol lot smaller and stuff eh lol
[04:02:47] <Valduare> yep heh
[04:02:58] <Valduare> i’ve been laughing over that for a few days now
[04:03:09] <Valduare> let her know i built this thing out of junk
[04:06:12] <XXCoder> so whats you plan with you plotter
[04:06:23] <Valduare> none heh
[04:06:40] <Valduare> nice thing ti put up on a shelf for decoration heh
[04:08:13] <XXCoder> make it into logo "stamper" heh
[04:08:27] <Valduare> heh
[04:08:28] <XXCoder> make a button and it automately draws a logo on whatever
[04:08:48] <Valduare> need to rig up a better bed for it
[04:09:01] <XXCoder> that and auto homing
[04:09:08] <Valduare> just 3 screws in the y axis and hotglue globs on them and pressed two layers of cardboard on them heh
[04:09:12] <XXCoder> so it can touch off using pen so it knos where it is
[04:12:02] <Valduare> hmm how can i make it draw faster
[04:12:22] <Valduare> I should rig up a print bed that takes a stack of postit notes
[04:12:29] <XXCoder> increase mm/m feed rate
[04:12:31] <Valduare> spring loaded so they always raise up to a known level heh
[04:39:49] <pink_vampire> hiiiiiiii
[04:40:04] <XXCoder> hey vampire ma'am
[04:40:21] <pink_vampire> ma'am?
[04:40:34] <XXCoder> term of respect for ladies heh
[04:41:26] <XXCoder> anyway whats up
[04:41:28] <pink_vampire> hehe i'm just open my eyes.
[04:42:21] <pink_vampire> i know what you mean but it make me go confuse for sec
[04:44:19] <pink_vampire> i need to make a small modification to a gear
[04:45:07] <pink_vampire> and make the hole a bit larger
[04:45:33] <XXCoder> thats when dial test indictor would help a lot
[04:45:45] <XXCoder> can check flatness then find center of circle xy
[04:46:03] <pink_vampire> no no..
[04:46:14] <pink_vampire> i have a probe
[04:46:23] <pink_vampire> with new tip
[04:46:28] <XXCoder> yeah probe is way better
[04:46:49] <Valduare> adding endstops now
[04:47:14] <pink_vampire> it give it to you dead on center +- 0.01 just by click of a button
[04:47:37] <XXCoder> indeed. im used to doing it manually lol
[04:47:57] <pink_vampire> Valduare: on what machine?
[04:48:14] <Valduare> little cdrom stepper cnc thing i built
[04:48:16] <XXCoder> like your first cnc, floppy drive cd drive setup
[04:48:31] <XXCoder> any pics? heh
[04:48:42] <Valduare> not yet
[04:49:05] <XXCoder> too bad
[04:49:25] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i want to make a tool test height also kinematic
[04:50:12] <XXCoder> "the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces that cause the motion."
[04:50:14] <Valduare> trying to find a switch to use for z-axis limit switch
[04:50:14] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:50:37] <Valduare> z-axis needs to limit to top position or low position?
[04:50:55] <XXCoder> Valduare: up to you, though you must configure linuxcnc correctly
[04:51:10] <XXCoder> "traditonal" seems to be top is zero, negative downwards
[04:51:42] <Valduare> this floppy drive has an optical limit switch still in place
[04:51:46] <Valduare> 3 wires coming out of it
[04:51:55] <Valduare> but not sure how i’d use it
[04:52:06] <Valduare> so was just going to hotglue a new switch in somewhere it will hit heh
[04:52:07] <XXCoder> 3 wires?
[04:52:26] <Valduare> ya
[04:52:26] <XXCoder> I guess it needs supply power and in least one is signal
[04:53:59] <XXCoder> Valduare: I have interesting idea for plotter cnc
[04:54:11] <XXCoder> add new clamp, make it computer controllable
[04:54:17] <XXCoder> add switch above pen top
[04:54:21] <pink_vampire> way are putting a limit switches on cdrom drives machine??
[04:55:03] <XXCoder> for z finding, it slightly loosens on pen, lowers till pen hits surface and presses switch on top, it stops, holds pen tight then go up to zero position
[04:55:08] <Valduare> pink_vampire: yep i dont want the insaine amount of forces at work here to tear the machine apart
[04:55:10] <XXCoder> then its ready to draw
[04:56:31] <pink_vampire> the motors in the cdrom can get stop with 2 fingers..
[04:56:34] <Valduare> found some really nice limit switches on the pcb from the floppy drive
[04:56:41] <Valduare> there are 3 of them too heh
[04:56:53] <Valduare> might have to swap the other limit switches over to these ones eventually
[04:59:43] <XXCoder> why not, challenge heh
[04:59:52] <XXCoder> I have bunch of SBR rails and ball screws
[05:00:05] <pink_vampire> I'm curious to see a picture of your cdrom cnc machine
[05:00:09] <XXCoder> I might buy parts to make another and bigger 3d printer or something lol
[05:00:31] <XXCoder> excpt since its on sbrs it would be heck of a lot bigger and maybe too slow for 3d printer.
[05:19:17] <Valduare> hmm got limit switch setup on z+ side
[05:19:23] <Valduare> enabled homing in grbl
[05:19:28] <Valduare> doesnt appear to be working
[05:19:43] <XXCoder> check signals using multimeter
[05:20:02] <Valduare> ya no contiunity
[05:20:03] <Valduare> hmm
[05:20:06] <enleth> XXCoder: kinematics is mostly about coordinate transformation on machine joints, and reverse transforms needed to get the effector into a requested position by moving the joints
[05:20:39] <XXCoder> can you explain real world example?
[05:20:48] <XXCoder> Valduare: try trigger it and see if it closes
[05:21:04] <XXCoder> it may be NO and not NC
[05:22:04] <Valduare> going to find another switch
[05:22:08] <Valduare> this one appears to be broken
[05:23:49] <enleth> XXCoder: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3707203/figure/F6/ - kinematics view of a standard 6R part handling/welding robot
[05:24:10] <XXCoder> ah yea thanks
[05:25:25] <enleth> so a kinematic analysis of this robot will give you a 4x4 parametrized matrix that takes joint angles as parameters and transforms a 4x1 3D space point vector from the machine base to the arm tip
[05:26:31] <enleth> (4x1 because the same math is used for things like perspective calculation with a scaling factor; for physical objects the factor is obviously always 1)
[05:28:30] <XXCoder> in order to transform you need matrix thats one larger than dimension, like if 3d it need 4 matric
[05:31:02] <enleth> well, yeah, pretty much
[05:39:16] <Valduare> homing isnt working right hmm
[05:39:23] <Valduare> once it hits zlimit switch it stops
[05:39:31] <Valduare> doesnt go onto x or y
[05:40:49] <XXCoder> x and y might not have homing set?
[05:41:03] <XXCoder> or maybe it does x and y first and its already therE? heh
[05:41:13] <Valduare> grbl just has homing cycle
[05:41:20] <Valduare> goes through them all I think
[05:41:25] <Valduare> let me verify in the code though
[05:43:23] <Valduare> nope its set to do z axis first
[05:43:29] <Valduare> then x then y
[05:44:35] <Sync> enleth: you need both forward and reverse transformation to do joint speed/accel/jerk limiting
[05:44:45] <XXCoder> so it dont do anything for x and y?
[05:44:48] <Sync> because you need to verify that you still follow your trajectory
[05:45:24] <Valduare> aye nothing for x y
[05:46:33] <XXCoder> might be configuration issue but dunno
[05:54:15] <Valduare> hmm
[06:08:09] <XXCoder> figured it yet?
[06:08:40] <archivist> throw grbl use a real control
[06:09:14] <XXCoder> considering machine hacky use its probably not worth it
[06:18:51] <pink_vampire> grbl is not better then a pc?
[06:19:24] <archivist> not better
[06:20:24] <archivist> it is limited by silly small processor, number of axes
[06:21:04] <XXCoder> yay new clickspring
[06:22:05] <pink_vampire> link?
[06:22:14] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9m4X_R9HPs
[06:25:05] <jthornton> morning
[06:25:10] <XXCoder> yo
[06:25:29] <jthornton> dang slept in
[06:26:45] <miss0r> hello people
[06:27:38] <XXCoder> bleh once a while sitiches are sore
[06:27:40] <XXCoder> hate it
[06:27:58] <miss0r> I was offered an x-carve unit. for something like $200. it is all working and havent run that long. apparently it was too slow. is it worth the money?
[06:28:04] <miss0r> yousaywhatnow?
[06:28:35] * jthornton has no idea what an x-carve is
[06:28:46] <XXCoder> itsnnot very fancy cnc router basically
[06:28:51] <miss0r> some cnc router
[06:29:11] <Sync> 200 is not incredibly bad for it
[06:29:12] <XXCoder> whats orginial new price?
[06:29:28] <miss0r> https://robosavvy.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/x/c/xcarve-largedw.jpg
[06:29:34] <miss0r> I have no idea :)
[06:30:13] <XXCoder> basic kit 778, fully loaded 1202
[06:30:15] <XXCoder> $
[06:30:18] <miss0r> I would buy it for parts I think. I have no room to fit in a router anywhere
[06:30:37] <miss0r> I have to find place for a new drillpress
[06:31:18] <Magnifikus> LeelooMinai, its day and the servo is turning :P
[06:31:20] <miss0r> I have the a cheap one, that looks like the same generic chinese ripoff design all the cheap ones have today
[06:31:23] <miss0r> only it is OLD
[06:31:45] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:32:27] <miss0r> I have this drillpress here: https://data-cdn.kjauktion.dk/images/auctions/71/large_0457.jpg?v=5
[06:33:04] <miss0r> and let me tell'ya, it sucks. it is somewhat alright if you are drilling 20mm holes for 6mm bolts in plywood. other than that, it comes up short
[06:33:17] <XXCoder> chinese special?
[06:33:51] <miss0r> this is actualy the 'original' one, they are - god knows how - copying and making crappier
[06:34:23] <XXCoder> the orginial chinese crap? it must be better than mine
[06:34:47] <miss0r> but the table on this one is so soft, even the pressure from drilling with a 2-3mm drill pushes it down visibly
[06:35:30] <miss0r> hehe it even has the 'Chinese Export' stamp on it
[06:36:06] <miss0r> XXCoder: what do you have, that is crappier than this?
[06:37:02] <XXCoder> harbour freight
[06:37:21] <miss0r> isn't that just the american name for all chinese stuff?
[06:37:36] <XXCoder> stores that sell worse chinese crap yeah
[06:38:31] <miss0r> some chinese stuff is alright. but when you buy the chinese stuff from the low end of the price scale, it will come back to bit'ya.
[06:38:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:38:57] <XXCoder> man that clock is getting close to done, cant wait to see it done
[06:39:45] <miss0r> I was offered a friend of mines old drill press. It is in completely working condition. 45-4500 rpm, gear-leaver ajustable. He just ordered one with automatic feed, so he doesn't need this one anymore
[06:39:57] <miss0r> what clock?
[06:40:08] <XXCoder> clickspring one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9m4X_R9HPs
[06:40:27] <pink_vampire> just finished to watch the video
[06:40:32] <miss0r> havent followed in a while, he does nice stuff thoy
[06:40:38] <pink_vampire> it's nice
[06:41:02] <XXCoder> yeah looks like its one more part. unless he havent made click face umm levers? yet?
[06:41:03] <archivist> just the design he is following uses loctite!!!!
[06:41:44] <pink_vampire> the loctite is funny
[06:41:46] <miss0r> archivist whats wrong with loctite?
[06:42:13] <pink_vampire> i like press fit
[06:42:16] <XXCoder> loctite? ah glue parts together? and dunno whats wrong with it
[06:42:32] <archivist> miss0r, not traditional in clocks
[06:42:47] <miss0r> heh alright. I use it for bolts only
[06:43:10] <archivist> he uses is for that crappy pinion design
[06:43:15] <archivist> is/it
[06:43:17] <Sync> archivist: well times change ;)
[06:43:25] <XXCoder> I wonder how accurate and precise I can make parts if I both 3d print and cnc router mill parts
[06:43:32] <archivist> he adds another error !
[06:43:46] <XXCoder> what error?
[06:43:57] <miss0r> I am actualy considering building the colt 1911 based on the redux design from Rio Benson
[06:44:07] <archivist> pinion concentric with shaft
[06:44:24] <XXCoder> isnt it made offset so its adjustable
[06:44:33] <XXCoder> unless im misunderstanding part names
[06:44:45] <pink_vampire> i need to open a youtube channel
[06:45:04] <XXCoder> I already had. twice lol 2 seperate identifies
[06:45:15] <XXCoder> xxcoder and one made for me from google, my name one
[06:45:36] <miss0r> pink_vampire I actualy thought about doing so, but then I remembered, when I do something I just do it, and in the end, I regret not taking pictures / making video along the way
[06:45:44] <XXCoder> you guys have seen some of my crappy videos
[06:46:06] <miss0r> have we ? link?
[06:46:11] <pink_vampire> miss0r: i have an imgur
[06:46:25] <pink_vampire> so i'm taking some pictures
[06:46:40] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9lTUoLDmMJkICEKVKdXj0A
[06:46:46] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/G5rDRcJ.png
[06:46:46] <miss0r> You mostly do foam, right?
[06:46:56] <miss0r> that is not foam :)
[06:46:58] <pink_vampire> the last part i've made
[06:47:17] <XXCoder> miss0r: she mills all kinds of styff
[06:47:24] <XXCoder> including very hard metals
[06:47:44] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/user/XXCoder my other channel, has random shit
[06:47:46] <pink_vampire> miss0r: i like metals
[06:47:55] <miss0r> pink_vampire looks nice
[06:48:09] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/J7MMJRS.png
[06:48:36] <miss0r> This is my last project: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7NFlReHBtU21WUTA
[06:48:40] <pink_vampire> back http://i.imgur.com/3Z8lM4Z.png front http://i.imgur.com/v2uFDel.png
[06:49:01] <pink_vampire> miss0r: spindle?
[06:49:09] <miss0r> If I recall correctly, you use an X2, right ?
[06:49:19] <miss0r> pink_vampire Its a OD grinder for my lathe
[06:49:28] <pink_vampire> nicee
[06:49:43] <pink_vampire> yes, i have a cute g0704
[06:49:44] <miss0r> I have it fitted with a stone - did a test pass last night.
[06:50:04] <miss0r> not completely satisfied - I will need coolant for it to do nicely
[06:50:20] <pink_vampire> that part that i've made going to be bolted on top of this one http://i.imgur.com/K3elWfF.png
[06:50:45] <pink_vampire> miss0r: what machine do you have?
[06:50:47] <miss0r> sweet. So you are building your own mill?
[06:51:15] <pink_vampire> no
[06:51:19] <miss0r> I have two cnc mills, one is a RolandDG PNC-3100 the other is a Maho 500C
[06:51:37] <pink_vampire> this is what it's going to be http://i.imgur.com/fiPPvNr.png
[06:52:07] <miss0r> I get that, to me it just looks like the z-axis of a small mill :)
[06:52:13] <pink_vampire> 1 inch travel on the z axis
[06:52:13] <miss0r> so what is the plan?
[06:52:23] <pink_vampire> edm sinker
[06:52:48] <miss0r> for better acuracy on the X2 ?
[06:52:57] <pink_vampire> no
[06:53:12] <miss0r> gah... edm
[06:53:15] <miss0r> yeah :) nice
[06:53:17] <pink_vampire> it's an axis for small EDM sinker
[06:53:40] <pink_vampire> drill some very hard materials
[06:53:42] <miss0r> If only I had the need/space/money for that :)
[06:54:03] <pink_vampire> i love to drill ball bearings
[06:54:12] <miss0r> I have drills that can do that
[06:54:16] <miss0r> but they are expensive
[06:54:53] <pink_vampire> carabid and dimond eat
[06:55:11] <miss0r> Roughly translated from danish they are called 'hardmetal drills' but probally they are called carbide?
[06:55:16] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/dbbo2k7.png
[06:55:40] <Sync> yes miss0r
[06:55:54] <miss0r> I don't suppose the match is a novelty kind, that is actualy 300mm long ? :P
[06:55:56] <pink_vampire> the core is chrome shaft with m2 tap on the center
[06:56:15] <pink_vampire> was a chrome shaft
[06:56:34] <miss0r> I'm not even sure what I am looking at?
[06:56:43] <pink_vampire> super hard to cut it
[06:57:20] <pink_vampire> is very small kinematic platform
[06:57:36] <miss0r> I must admit I am unsure if my drills can handle a ballbearing - but I have drilled a hole in a pretty good file
[06:58:16] <miss0r> It seems you do very nice work, pink_vampire
[06:58:42] <pink_vampire> thanks
[06:59:25] <miss0r> i'll be back a bit later. I have to make a cover for my new surface plate
[07:00:21] <pink_vampire> i'm also go for now.
[07:00:42] <pink_vampire> hope to makes some chips later
[07:01:05] <XXCoder> later
[07:48:57] <miss0r> hehehe - Apparently I looked to helpless with the sewing machine the wife is doing it for me :)
[07:51:09] <miss0r> XXCoder you around?
[07:51:14] <archivist> wait till she learns the lathe and milling machine
[07:52:00] <miss0r> I don't see that happending within a forseeable future
[07:54:45] <SpeedEvil> Learning something when you have someone you can trade favours with may not be a plus too
[07:55:56] <miss0r> hmm. Serious thunderstorm rolling in. if I pop offline that might be why
[08:04:36] <miss0r> And there we have it - I am now running on battery backup. I will poweroff now. see you around
[09:28:52] <pink_vampire> I'm back
[09:29:08] <Valduare> hi
[09:29:21] <pink_vampire> hi Valduare
[09:29:51] <Valduare> slept, awake now ready to tackle this homing issue with grbl
[09:30:53] <pink_vampire> what issue?
[09:31:28] <Valduare> wasnt working last night
[09:31:38] <Valduare> thats about all I know so far haha
[09:31:38] <archivist> the issue is grbl, not what this channel is about
[09:32:53] <Valduare> archivist: im just building a little cd rom stepper cnc machine while im awaiting parts to arrive for my 3d printer :)
[09:33:38] <pink_vampire> pics
[09:41:46] <pink_vampire> Valduare: ^
[09:42:35] <Valduare> i’ll take some
[09:48:18] <pink_vampire> :-)
[09:48:54] <akhk> :)
[09:49:11] <akhk> Hi，大家晚上好。
[10:58:28] <ktchk> akhk: Hi Hong Kong??
[11:02:48] <Valduare> hmm this morning when pressing home button its sending the axis in oposite direction of my limit switches...
[11:05:27] <CaptHindsight> Valduare: which direction did it go last night?
[11:05:56] <CaptHindsight> no direction?
[11:06:27] <Valduare> no direction
[11:06:55] <Valduare> I have home switches mounted next to stepper side of each axis
[11:07:39] <CaptHindsight> so now you have the motor moving but you need to change the direction that it homes in
[11:07:46] <Valduare> ya
[11:07:58] <archivist> so read fm
[11:08:00] <Valduare> so far I know for sure at least the x axis
[11:08:04] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[11:08:41] <Tom_itx> you can change the home direction and order in the ini
[11:08:56] <archivist> he is using grbl!
[11:09:11] <Tom_itx> ... if you were using lcnc
[11:09:26] <CaptHindsight> how would you do it with Cobol?
[11:09:33] <archivist> grrr we dont know grbl
[11:09:35] <Tom_itx> we support grbl here now???
[11:09:46] * archivist is too lazy to read its manual
[11:09:53] <archivist> no
[11:10:16] <Valduare> archivist: I havnt asked for support ? just mentioning what im working on
[11:10:22] <Valduare> go about your business lol
[11:10:32] <CaptHindsight> nah, GRBL is another abomination from the hobbyists
[11:10:36] <Tom_itx> but here we would assume you're using linuxcnc
[11:11:13] <CaptHindsight> kids that want to redo every mistake again in cnc control
[11:11:21] * MacGalempsy goes for a pickett and burning torch
[11:11:31] <archivist> Valduare, getting people to respond is a bit naughty when using the wrong control, some channels kickban for that
[11:11:54] <Tom_itx> our ops are too lazy though
[11:12:45] <MacGalempsy> The problem Valduare is that some of us don't even fully understand our own operating system
[11:13:08] <Tom_itx> we don't?
[11:13:17] <MacGalempsy> some, as in me
[11:13:27] <Tom_itx> but you got your mill running...
[11:13:38] <MacGalempsy> fully was another word :)
[11:13:45] <Tom_itx> in reprap world that makes you a master
[11:13:48] <MacGalempsy> i never used steppers either
[11:14:00] <MacGalempsy> lol. yeah, I was a reprapper once
[11:14:04] <MacGalempsy> this is way harder
[11:14:52] <MacGalempsy> I got frustrated the second time and didnt even say the word CNC or linuxCNC for like 6 months
[11:15:08] <CaptHindsight> heh, I spent the last few days debugging issues with marlin
[11:15:25] <CaptHindsight> never going through that again
[11:15:45] <Tom_itx> was your good buddy Mr. Daniels there to smooth the edges?
[11:15:46] <MacGalempsy> what kind of issues did you have?
[11:16:00] <MacGalempsy> I thought it was pretty easy just to change firmware settings
[11:16:11] <CaptHindsight> random freeze
[11:16:19] <CaptHindsight> random motor slow down
[11:16:19] <MacGalempsy> ewwww
[11:16:48] <MacGalempsy> im in the middle of a 3d printer build and going to use marlin...
[11:16:54] <CaptHindsight> ends up it was a combo of things and also pushing the duino to its limits
[11:17:45] <CaptHindsight> it don't give you any error messages when your thread takes too long
[11:17:58] <archivist> hehe
[11:18:10] <archivist> specially in interrupts
[11:18:25] <CaptHindsight> heh, and the configs are written in reverse reverse upside down logic, similar to their schematics
[11:20:27] <CaptHindsight> The speed change that does not require acceleration (i.e. the software might assume it can be done instantaneously) wtf?
[11:20:57] <CaptHindsight> and you enter one value in mm/S
[11:21:44] <CaptHindsight> what I think they mean is "changes in acceleration equal to and less that this value will be ignored by the trajectory planner
[11:23:12] <CaptHindsight> since accel and decel are computed in the duino the control/client software doesn't know the actual machines position..
[11:23:18] <archivist> or it is alrady at speed
[11:25:41] <Valduare> ugh left my soldering iron on all night
[11:26:46] <CaptHindsight> the comments also try to avoid letting the user know things like what setting is active Low or High...
[11:27:04] <CaptHindsight> it just says "invert the logic here"
[11:27:47] <archivist> I was thinking chinglish but inversion is french :)
[11:28:07] <CaptHindsight> heh
[11:28:58] <archivist> translations by a non techy
[11:29:33] <MacGalempsy> when would one want to auto PID tune P/I/FF1 compared to P/I/D?
[11:29:56] <CaptHindsight> and it's patches on top of patches that never get cleaned up and might not compile on the latest versions of the IDE
[11:31:12] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, when master yoda suggests it
[11:31:40] <Tom_itx> i think that's what pcw had me do
[11:32:58] <MacGalempsy> which one?
[11:33:17] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: velocity servo tuning?
[11:34:41] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: yeah, I tried manually doing it with your tutorial, and now want to see if the at_PID can do my a-axis
[11:35:25] <JT-Shop> and when you tried manually what happened
[11:35:48] <MacGalempsy> it takes a lot of P just to get it to start turning
[11:36:02] <MacGalempsy> but I cannot get the following error down
[11:36:30] <JT-Shop> is the drive itself generally tuned?
[11:36:46] <MacGalempsy> yep
[11:37:24] <MacGalempsy> so I thought it would be interesting to compare the outcome of the two PID tuning methods
[11:37:34] <JT-Shop> something sounds wrong
[11:38:43] <MacGalempsy> it could also be my inability
[11:39:04] <MacGalempsy> it took me forever to do the PID tuning on my axes and am sure they are overtuned
[11:39:34] <Tom_itx> you can use halscope to watch it
[11:39:36] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: what servo drives/amps are you using?
[11:41:17] <MacGalempsy> from my notes they are Copley COntrols 800-469
[11:42:11] <MacGalempsy> I called the guys there at one point and talked to an engineer. he mentioned they had done a lot of "tuning" on the drives.
[11:43:37] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: if the servo amp stores configs as well that can be a real headache
[11:43:46] <JT-Shop> does the drive have an auto tune?
[11:44:15] <JT-Shop> hmm my handrail is off by 1"
[11:44:19] <MacGalempsy> no auto tune, they had just changed out a lot of the different header resistors for this motor setup
[11:44:38] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JU0AAOSw9etXQHDc/s-l1600.jpg
[11:44:40] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: that is why I wanted to try auto-tune pid in lcnc
[11:44:51] <MacGalempsy> pretty much
[11:45:02] <CaptHindsight> I like it, hardware tune vs software
[11:45:16] <MacGalempsy> im sure the hardware side is working fine.
[11:45:25] <CaptHindsight> you're going to need a scope
[11:45:39] <CaptHindsight> maybe
[11:45:41] <MacGalempsy> why?
[11:45:46] <Tom_itx> use halscope
[11:45:52] <plpower> hi
[11:45:54] <plpower> hi
[11:46:09] <plpower> CaptHindsight: i got the mesh ;
[11:46:15] <MacGalempsy> if at_PID component can be used, then no halscope needed!
[11:46:52] <MacGalempsy> so anyways, that is what I am working on this morning and the PID vs PIFF1 is one of the tune types
[11:47:47] <JT-Shop> did you test the hardware with a battery
[11:48:14] <MacGalempsy> which piece? the a axis?
[11:48:27] <JT-Shop> the one you can't tune
[11:49:05] <MacGalempsy> come to think of it, I have a laser RPM gauge, so maybe a DAC table?
[11:49:13] * JT-Shop wanders inside for the nap
[11:52:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You said I "need" to have 110 breakers when I "break out" the 220, U came across this testerday http://www.corddepot.com/shop/generators/30-amp-multi-outlet-generator-cord-4-prong/ and there is no breakers on it. Or was that for a perm install?
[11:53:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: permanent
[11:53:40] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it also depends on how you break it out
[11:53:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ?
[11:54:29] <plpower> CaptHindsight: http://foengarage.de/cad_heeks.jpg
[11:54:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it's actually gets complex as to what is required based on how and what the branch circuits are used for
[11:55:24] <Jymmm> "How"? Is there more than one way... neutral to HotX, Neutral to HotY
[11:56:08] <CaptHindsight> find that pdf gregcnc_ posted for you
[11:56:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: looking...
[11:57:01] <CaptHindsight> http://mjobee.com/projects&news/nec%20art%20210.4.pdf found it
[11:57:36] <CaptHindsight> some it will sound like double talk
[11:57:56] <CaptHindsight> but follow the example drawings
[11:57:59] <plpower> CaptHindsight: this is the part to be made http://foengarage.de/stein.jpg
[11:58:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: things like one outlet vs many change how it has to be protected
[11:58:57] <CaptHindsight> and when you combine 220 and 110 on branches it gets more complicated
[12:01:00] <CaptHindsight> I'd have to see a drawing of how you want to run power to 110 and 220 outlets and how many
[12:02:02] <CaptHindsight> plpower: I got as far as rendering that mesh with textures but it never exported properly
[12:03:01] <CaptHindsight> plpower: and the videos used different (older) versions of 3dsmax
[12:03:40] <plpower> ok i got it so its done
[12:03:40] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: section 210.4
[12:04:14] <CaptHindsight> ok, so we will never mention this again! :)
[12:05:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (was that to me or plpower?)
[12:06:08] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:06:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: to plpower
[12:06:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: k
[12:06:56] <plpower> im off we got 220V and more in europ
[12:07:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the NEC is filled with exceptions, like any good book of regulations
[12:07:29] <CaptHindsight> plpower: we have 480
[12:07:36] <CaptHindsight> and 600
[12:07:43] <plpower> cool
[12:07:50] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I really don't have a "need" for 220 (at least not now, maybe later on if I get a 220 generator), just want the option available (testing or whatnot).
[12:07:55] <CaptHindsight> 12KV on most poles
[12:09:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I need the added (2x 110@20A) circuits, and the ability to backfeed my 110V generator.
[12:09:21] <plpower> i got lucky tonight thats 20feet from shop accross the street http://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/artikel/rodalben-lagerhaus-mit-asbestdacht-brennt-aus-anwohner-sollen-fenster-schliessen/
[12:10:11] <CaptHindsight> plpower: accident or some festival?
[12:10:15] <plpower> fom got not meded luck is your best frend
[12:10:31] <plpower> let the police decide on that
[12:10:57] <plpower> its at night a buessy street
[12:12:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I can get that cord I linked to earlier for $40, thought I might just terminate the new wiring using a L14-30R
[12:13:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: no subpanel, no breakers in the garage, just that L14-30R
[12:13:26] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the big deal with backup generators is preventing the line power from being connected to the generator
[12:13:36] <CaptHindsight> you don't want that
[12:14:06] <CaptHindsight> thats why a transfer switch is required
[12:14:28] <CaptHindsight> break before make
[12:14:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The main (metered) service pole is in front (underground service), that feeds a secodary service pole in the rear, then to the breaker panel on the house. But...
[12:15:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The new circuit I'm running will be directly from the 2nd service pole directly.
[12:15:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I can throw the main breaker on the main service pole, disconnecting service
[12:16:11] <Jymmm> and toss a lockout on it as well
[12:16:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can but that's a NO NO
[12:16:24] <Contract_Pilot> Anyone see any issues of location of home prox switch green dot. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/image-32-e1472362472912-768x1024.jpeg
[12:17:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I realize that, but a "proper" transfer switch isn't in the cards ($$$) right now.
[12:17:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yeah $$$
[12:17:38] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/image-34-1024x768.jpeg
[12:18:11] <CaptHindsight> just be sure to never have the generator connected with the main service breaker ON
[12:19:13] <Contract_Pilot> Had a driend that works for electric co get zapped on a hole because some iddiot hooked up a gen with out a switch
[12:19:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm going to paint some padlocks red, and place them at points where even I can't get stupid or forgetful =)
[12:21:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: OH, I was digging soem yesterday and the exisitng rigid conduit is rusty where it meets the ground. is that common?
[12:22:17] <Jymmm> could be surface rust, didn't look into that deeply
[12:26:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yeah as it gets older
[12:27:08] <CaptHindsight> they need to be replaced every 100 years or so
[12:27:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: WHAT?! 100 years, that's just way too short... should be like 500 years minimum ;)
[12:28:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: is regular conduit rated for underground, or just rigid?
[12:31:50] <CaptHindsight> rigid metallic and in some places non-metallic is allowed
[12:32:08] <CaptHindsight> thin wall is for above ground only
[12:32:32] <CaptHindsight> I've seen thin wall rust through on outside walls after 20-30 years
[12:44:51] <archivist> or use armoured cable designed for underground work
[12:58:12] <JT-Shop> I need bend formulas for a center bend pipe bender... all I can find is conduit benders lol
[13:00:19] <archivist> same/similar ?
[13:00:59] <JT-Shop> I have a Huth HB10 and the reference is the center of the bend
[13:01:42] <JT-Shop> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgKqh86s83zzplI0gJlEP7OMOyTY4k_t7f65iXnRK0dqomnfREYg
[13:02:41] <JT-Shop> lol this showed up in my search https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUQBJj_oBVGiI86YYBWHtvyOejQ2qzy2-bLqmjESQMcORyRFjy
[13:02:43] <JT-Shop> I built that
[13:04:14] <archivist> not the style of the bender its the allowance just take 1/2 of it so you know where the center is
[13:04:48] <Cromaglious_> morn
[13:06:22] <Cromaglious_> nice log tote
[13:07:12] <JT-Shop> yea I just need to do the math to find distance of the radius for 1/2 of the arc
[13:07:56] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/log-arch/
[13:08:02] <JT-Shop> that's the whole build
[13:09:00] <archivist> looks like it is already done :)
[13:09:21] <archivist> are you producing more
[13:18:23] <JT-Shop> oh the log arch, yes that is done. I was bending some hand rails for my scaffolding and looking for the bend length calculator
[13:18:29] <JT-Shop> a/the
[13:18:46] <archivist> JT-Shop, found one online calculator that claims to do it properly http://www.electrician2.com/electa1/offset.html
[13:19:56] <archivist> silly thing wants a model of the bender!
[13:20:47] <archivist> badly written/explained I think
[13:21:49] <JT-Shop> yea that is for electrical conduit
[13:22:35] <JT-Shop> the log arch we just eyeballed it lol
[13:22:43] <JT-Shop> and bent to fit and beat to match
[13:24:07] <Roguish> JT-Shop: hey, have you modified Touchy?
[13:25:18] <Roguish> i'd like to rearrange the gui and add a tab for a full screen DRO
[13:25:36] <archivist> JT-Shop, while that one is conduit it should be the same, it is just pipe after all
[13:28:32] <archivist> JT-Shop, try steam pipe seems a better class of google search
[13:31:29] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[13:31:39] <JT-Shop> Roguish: no, I use it but have not modified it
[13:34:26] <JT-Shop> Roguish: with a gtk object you can hide it if you like with widget.hide()
[13:34:35] <JT-Shop> and widget the name of the widget
[13:39:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.bendtooling.com/bending_formulas.htm
[13:39:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop
[13:40:23] <JT-Shop> wow that is busy
[13:41:37] <Sync> I want a mandrel bender :/
[13:41:53] <Sync> the only thing that stops me from getting one is the space it takes up D:
[13:42:25] <JT-Shop> they are huge and expensive
[13:42:40] <Tom_itx> that what you're looking for?
[13:42:51] <JT-Shop> too much information lol
[13:42:57] <archivist> hehe
[13:43:14] <archivist> start typing in your spreadsheet
[13:43:34] <JT-Shop> lol I have a spreadsheet open already
[13:44:01] <Sync> the huge part is my problem
[13:44:11] <Sync> and that you need mandrels (duh) for every size
[13:45:24] <JT-Shop> and dies
[13:45:55] <JT-Shop> that's the one I have http://gnipsel.com/images/huth-hb-10/
[13:46:00] <JT-Shop> does pretty good
[13:46:10] <Tom_itx> guy next door to my bud's old shop does roll forming
[13:46:19] <Tom_itx> we made a set for him once
[13:47:07] <Sync> yeah JT-Shop something like that
[13:47:23] <Tom_itx> If you want to figure the length of material it takes to make a bend from tangent (start of bend ) to the second tangent (end of bend), multiply .017453 X radius of die X degree of bend = length of bend. Example .017453 X 6 X 90 = 9.42" (about 9-7/16"). Add all the straight sections and the bend lengths and there's your answer + allways add some excess for adjustments.
[13:47:26] <JT-Shop> that's not a mandrel bender
[13:48:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.bend-tech.com/wiki5/calibration_what_is_clr.pdf
[13:48:46] <JT-Shop> for that to work you need to know the length of the straight sections, for example I have center to center distance of 5' and rise of 30"
[13:48:49] <Sync> yeah, but in the end it'd be ok for what I do
[13:48:50] <Tom_itx> centerline radius bender
[13:49:20] <JT-Shop> yea saw that page a while ago
[13:49:52] <Tom_itx> fender benders are free
[13:50:06] <JT-Shop> however on page due there is an interesting formula
[13:50:10] <Tom_itx> not so accurate though
[13:50:30] <Tom_itx> Formula: CLR = die size * 1.042 ?
[13:50:37] <JT-Shop> yea
[13:51:04] <Tom_itx> won't sw figure that for you?
[13:51:05] <JT-Shop> I can do a 180 bend to get empirical information
[13:53:26] <Tom_itx> log arch... i thought that's what mules were for
[13:54:11] <Tom_itx> no wonder you needed a bigger shed
[13:54:32] <roycroft> take long piece of metal
[13:54:39] <roycroft> find a tree with the appropriate diameter
[13:54:57] <roycroft> put metal on one side of tree and attach chains to the end
[13:55:04] <roycroft> connect the other end of chains to pickup
[13:55:12] <roycroft> drive forward until you have enough bend
[13:55:17] <archivist> break pickup
[13:55:18] <roycroft> no need to complicate matters :)
[13:55:28] <roycroft> use a cat then
[13:55:52] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/JD350/ I use this
[13:56:01] <JT-Shop> my cat don't like to work
[13:57:14] <roycroft> withhold food until the work is done
[14:06:43] <JT-Shop> with some verification from SW I have my spreadsheet working for back to back bends
[14:06:52] <JT-Shop> now to find my 3" deck screws lol
[14:08:20] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, now you need to make a linuxcnc controlled bender
[14:18:47] <JT-Shop> the hb10 is a manual bender, no feedback on the hyd
[14:19:21] <JT-Shop> lol I "need" to get the garage door working
[14:19:41] <Tom_itx> arrived then?
[14:19:48] <archivist> havin tooo much fun
[14:20:07] <JT-Shop> the door was here a couple of days after the builders left
[14:20:08] <Tom_itx> overslept this AM... wasting time here... wtf is the world coming to...
[14:20:20] <JT-Shop> just got it up yesterday
[14:20:45] <archivist> mekkit fit
[14:28:07] <JT-Shop> we overslept too, worn out from a ride yesterday and the heat
[14:42:16] <jdh> how far did you ride?
[14:42:51] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: is your soil really that red in your neck of the woods?
[14:44:33] <JT-Shop> yea when you dig it up it is
[14:44:51] <JT-Shop> just dirt no soil in it
[14:47:48] <JT-Shop> 222 miles on the BlueWing for a benefit poker run
[16:10:17] <CaptHindsight> just got a 300mm long 8mm Acme leadscrew and brass nut off ebay, arrived with ~1mm of axial play
[16:10:55] <CaptHindsight> and maybe 200-300um of radial play
[16:11:37] <Tom_itx> used?
[16:11:39] <Tom_itx> used up?
[16:11:46] <CaptHindsight> brand spankin new
[16:12:04] <Tom_itx> i think you're the one that got spanked
[16:12:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/172122043917
[16:12:42] <CaptHindsight> worthless, well maybe useful to keep a table from rocking
[16:13:16] <Tom_itx> leave poor feedback
[16:14:18] <Deejay> gn8
[16:14:50] <JT-Shop> Fast Accurate Movement
[16:15:34] <JT-Shop> return it
[16:16:11] <Sync> at least it is cheap
[16:17:52] <CaptHindsight> asking them if they are all junk or did I just get a bad one
[16:19:10] <CaptHindsight> the screw has been plated after cutting
[16:19:17] <Tom_itx> sell it to a reprapper, they wouldn't care
[16:19:40] <CaptHindsight> I think it's the intended market
[16:20:11] <CaptHindsight> the clueless yet the know-it-all
[16:20:41] <CaptHindsight> I have screws decades old that aren't this worn
[16:21:39] <Tom_itx> some of those have backlash nuts on em
[16:21:48] <LeelooMinai> I don't think it's intended for precission milling...
[16:21:55] <Valduare> woo hoo heh just drew a fairly nice looking pcb layout on my new little cnc machine
[16:24:13] <Tom_itx> take it out and have more plating added :)
[16:25:20] <CaptHindsight> 500um chrome
[16:26:20] <CaptHindsight> there is so much play that the nut spins to the other end by just letting go of it
[16:26:31] <Tom_itx> hahaha
[16:27:06] <Tom_itx> ... that's not really funny.. rather sad
[16:27:32] <LeelooMinai> You just underestimate spage-age CHinese frictionless technology
[16:27:34] <CaptHindsight> "very low friction"
[16:27:38] <LeelooMinai> space-age*
[16:27:47] <CaptHindsight> "limited contact area"
[16:28:16] <Tom_itx> almost none?
[16:28:45] <CaptHindsight> nearly an air bearing
[16:29:21] <LeelooMinai> superconductive levitation
[16:30:08] <CaptHindsight> is there a way to shrink brass?
[16:30:25] <LeelooMinai> Cryogenics? :)
[16:31:20] <JT-Shop> just bring it up to 950C
[16:32:30] <Tom_itx> Brass, a soft metal alloy used in a variety of different machining applications, has a coefficient of linear thermal expansion of 18.5x10^-6 m/m/C. Cooling brass with liquid nitrogen effectively shrinks the alloy to 99.6 percent of its original size.
[16:33:32] <CaptHindsight> I'd need ~90% of original
[16:33:59] * JT-Shop needs to find the two spring winding tools...
[16:34:01] <Tom_itx> it won't stay there at room temp
[16:34:58] <CaptHindsight> the screw OD is 7.87mm
[16:35:24] <Tom_itx> consistently?
[16:35:32] <CaptHindsight> 7.90 at the other end
[16:35:38] <LeelooMinai> So maybe the crew was supposed to be 8mm
[16:35:44] <LeelooMinai> screw*
[16:35:59] <CaptHindsight> thats even bad for a hardware store threaded rod
[16:41:44] <CaptHindsight> Allmostfitz Co.
[16:47:23] <djdelorie> CaptHindsight, are you sure it's not a mislabelled 5/16" ?
[16:47:25] <CaptHindsight> did gas prices just jump this weekend?
[16:47:28] <XXCoder> Valduare: pics?
[16:48:09] <Valduare> working on that
[16:48:18] <Valduare> photos app is not importing them heh
[16:53:29] <JT-Shop> well crap the springs are on backwards...
[16:55:03] <Valduare> here you go XXCoder https://twitter.com/thriftyworkshop/status/770009840924196866
[16:55:11] <XXCoder> looking
[16:55:31] <XXCoder> lol pretty awesome
[16:56:16] <Valduare> had to put limit switches on the thing so the torq from the stepper motors didnt tear the whole thing apart
[16:56:18] <Valduare> :P
[16:56:19] <CaptHindsight> personalized butter pieces
[16:56:52] <CaptHindsight> engraved chocolates
[16:56:58] <Valduare> lol
[16:57:22] <XXCoder> I see the star test paper lol
[16:57:53] <Valduare> heh
[16:58:16] <CaptHindsight> autograph printer
[16:58:35] <XXCoder> heh sign famous people signures, cheap just $10 each ;)
[16:59:19] <Valduare> its not accurate enough for that :P
[16:59:27] <Valduare> wobble in z-axis heh
[16:59:35] <XXCoder> lol
[16:59:43] <CaptHindsight> aren't those steppers around 20 steps/rev?
[16:59:49] <Valduare> ya
[17:00:14] <XXCoder> he figured it to be 107 steps per mm
[17:00:26] <Valduare> roughy
[17:00:30] <Valduare> still some calibration that needs done
[17:02:42] <XXCoder> so whats your ultimate plan with it
[17:03:17] <Valduare> waste my time while waiting for a 3d printer kit to arrive :P
[17:03:20] <XXCoder> im pretty sure dermel with long flexable extensions can be attached to it
[17:03:40] <Valduare> the cdrom stepper sleds are not too tough
[17:03:45] <XXCoder> have to use extension as its too heavy to be connected directly
[17:03:58] <Valduare> the tooth that rides in the threads will pop out and miss a step easily
[17:04:22] <XXCoder> yeah it'd have to be very low force
[17:04:31] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: Is your garage door one that works like this? http://imgur.com/gallery/kyMKumV
[17:04:36] <Valduare> probably the most useful thing for it would be a laser
[17:04:44] <BeachBumPete> well I am tired as hell now :D
[17:05:07] <BeachBumPete> just finished making several trips to my storage unit picking up stuff
[17:05:35] <BeachBumPete> finally got my compressor, my tig welder, my bandsaw, grinders, sanders etc brought over to the new house.
[17:05:49] <SpeedEvil> woo!
[17:06:01] <XXCoder> heh SpeedEvil makes sense, speed and evil ;)
[17:06:03] <BeachBumPete> Once I get this stuff organized I will bring over the CNC lathe
[17:06:05] <Valduare> you made a wrong turn BeachBumPete
[17:06:10] <Valduare> that was suppose to come over to my shop
[17:06:17] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[17:06:29] <BeachBumPete> for the right price it could have been :D
[17:06:30] <XXCoder> no that was supposed to go to postal office, for shipping off to me
[17:06:30] <Valduare> cant trust anyone to do things right these days… sheish
[17:07:06] <JT-Shop> no you have to use the crawler for mine
[17:07:17] <BeachBumPete> Now that I have the Tig and other fab tools I can maybe start doing some side jobs with those things until I can get the CNC's up and running.
[17:07:27] <XXCoder> nice :)
[17:07:50] <BeachBumPete> I really missed having my stuff available to use
[17:08:01] <BeachBumPete> just not having a decent compressor really bites
[17:09:51] <BeachBumPete> now I just gotta source an argon tank and I can do some tig welding. Wonder what they are gonna screw me for to get that done around here LOL
[17:12:20] <SpeedEvil> I got mine on ebay
[17:12:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:12:37] <BeachBumPete> what argon bottle?
[17:12:52] <XXCoder> ebay is ebay. you probably can buy nukes there
[17:13:22] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:13:45] <Valduare> the little cnc is drawing John Wayne picture right now :P
[17:13:52] <Valduare> see if its recognizable when its done
[17:13:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Argon-Lite-Mix-Gas-Cylinder-10litre-size-200-bar-fill-for-Mig-Welding-/321753998837
[17:13:59] <SpeedEvil> type thing
[17:14:04] <BeachBumPete> http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/tls/5723842410.html
[17:14:07] <XXCoder> just remember, pics or it didnt happen lol
[17:14:25] <Valduare> lol
[17:14:38] <Valduare> careful with that phrase
[17:14:53] <Valduare> if you tell your mom that “refering to your birth” you could wipe yourself from existence
[17:15:06] <Valduare> cause tear in space time
[17:20:49] <XXCoder> heh
[17:20:59] <XXCoder> man my left hand is finally feeling bit norma;
[17:21:30] <BeachBumPete> if you stop that the feeling will come back....eventually :D
[17:21:35] <XXCoder> need few more days for skin to feel normal though
[17:21:38] <XXCoder> lol bum
[17:21:51] <XXCoder> no I have 4 sitiches on left hand wrist
[17:22:00] <XXCoder> inside side
[17:28:24] <Sync> with a current inspection that is an ok price BeachBumPete
[17:28:53] <BeachBumPete> I thought so
[17:29:00] <XXCoder> inspection to ensure tank is fine and all?
[17:29:06] <BeachBumPete> I was paying that much for a years rental I think
[17:29:32] <Sync> yes XXCoder
[17:29:36] <XXCoder> cool
[17:29:39] <Sync> you have to do it every 10 years here
[17:29:53] <BeachBumPete> BRB we're outta milk it seems
[17:30:26] <Sync> same with air tanks over 60l here
[17:31:11] <XXCoder> is inpsections expensive? heh (not planning on having any just curious)
[17:31:28] <Valduare> its about 10 min into drawing now heh
[17:32:09] <XXCoder> heh well val if nothing else you can have rocking note-its drawings when you leave em for someone else
[17:46:56] <Valduare> heh storage ran out on camera
[17:47:07] <Valduare> will have to refilm it drawing again so I can make a speedup vid for ya
[17:57:11] <CaptHindsight> http://racine.craigslist.org/tls/5737589385.html $200 horiz mill
[17:58:13] <JT-Shop> got 10 rounds on the springs and the spec is 8 5/8 for my door and I can't lift it... I'm not winding it any more today
[18:08:06] <gregcnc> we took the kids to the park in the middle of town. The number of pokiechasers was uhmm..surprising or i don't get out enough
[18:11:03] <XXCoder> I guess server went down
[18:13:52] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: you heal fast
[18:14:20] <XXCoder> huh?
[18:14:34] <JT-Shop> your hand feels normal already
[18:14:58] <XXCoder> more or less. cant get it upwards because skin is still tight in that direction
[18:15:00] <JT-Shop> <XXCoder> man my left hand is finally feeling bit norma;
[18:15:22] <JT-Shop> at my vintage it takes a while to heal
[18:15:49] <XXCoder> im 40, not that old yet :)
[18:16:28] <CaptHindsight> 40 is way old
[18:16:31] <CaptHindsight> dude
[18:16:47] <JT-Shop> I waited till I was 60 to start taking care of my body
[18:17:03] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: I already do, because I had problem since day zero
[18:17:03] <JT-Shop> in good shape now at 62 7/8
[18:17:59] <gregcnc> i just turned 39 yesterday, what I did in my teens lasted until a couple years ago.
[18:18:22] <JT-Shop> /me goes to fire up the barbie
[18:20:06] <XXCoder> heh have "fun" problems and I just keep getting new ones
[18:20:19] <XXCoder> for examp,e I got arthitis of back when I was 27
[18:20:51] <XXCoder> musicle problems techinically since day zero but slowly getting worse and worse
[18:20:57] <XXCoder> whatever.
[18:20:57] <roycroft> today would be a good day to grill
[18:21:11] <XXCoder> finally cool here, cloudy
[18:21:21] <roycroft> it's cooling off here
[18:21:34] <roycroft> only 30 today
[18:21:47] <roycroft> but i've been out in the sun much of the day
[18:21:58] <roycroft> i needed 1 more kilo of blackberries to make wine
[18:22:04] <roycroft> and they were getting hard to get to
[18:22:12] <roycroft> so i started seriously cutting back the brambles
[18:22:16] <roycroft> 2 pickup loads today
[18:22:28] <XXCoder> how do you guys kill the damned weed
[18:22:33] <XXCoder> its stubborn
[18:22:45] <roycroft> the only reasonable way to get rid of them is to get some goats
[18:22:58] <roycroft> barring that, the best you can do is cut them back every year
[18:23:28] <roycroft> i'm pretty good at that generally, but this year i had a big work project that consumed most of my time until the end of june
[18:23:36] <roycroft> and by that time the blackberries were out of control
[18:23:53] <roycroft> i was about to start cutting them back when i realized they were bearing fruit pretty heavily
[18:24:06] <roycroft> so i decided to wait and harvest the berries before hacking them back
[18:24:10] <XXCoder> I heard pouring boiling water in sources when cut off helps but dunno
[18:24:31] <roycroft> there are two outfits around here that rent goats
[18:24:40] <roycroft> i'm considering renting a couple next spring
[18:24:47] <roycroft> i would only need them for a week
[18:25:11] <roycroft> there are a couple problems with that though
[18:25:25] * LeelooMinai thinks "o, really..."
[18:25:28] <roycroft> i have some blackberries growing in my vines
[18:25:33] <roycroft> grape vines
[18:25:43] <roycroft> and i have others growing right by my raspberry and goosebarry beds
[18:25:48] <roycroft> gooseberry
[18:25:57] <roycroft> i would have to keep the goats away from those areas
[18:26:12] <XXCoder> I have couple of blackberry growing in middle of large bush
[18:26:18] <XXCoder> it cant be rid of :(
[18:26:28] <roycroft> the best you can do is keep cutting it back
[18:26:29] <XXCoder> tried roundup on exposed oart no effect
[18:27:15] <roycroft> i've been doing selective pruning of them for the past month
[18:27:30] <roycroft> now that i have harvested enough berries for my wine i can start hacking away at them in earnest
[18:27:52] <CaptHindsight> I need a smellphone camera
[18:28:00] <roycroft> the worst of them are in my old veggie garden beds
[18:28:09] <CaptHindsight> capture and playback odors with the pics
[18:28:21] <roycroft> i don't use them any more because some trees have gotten bigger and shade that area too much
[18:28:25] <roycroft> but the raised beds are still there
[18:28:28] <gregcnc> scents might make for better marketing
[18:28:32] * XXCoder gets one, lets rip huge one, then sends pictures to CaptHindsight
[18:28:34] <roycroft> i can't mow them, so the blackberries get a good foothold
[18:28:48] <pcw_home> we had blackberries and poison oak running wild in our backyard until we got our sheep
[18:28:50] <pcw_home> they wiped them both out in a couple months
[18:28:52] <roycroft> i should cut the berries down, pull the beds out, and level the surface
[18:28:55] <roycroft> then i can mow
[18:28:57] <XXCoder> well you can grow plants thats shaded type
[18:29:00] <roycroft> and keep the berries down
[18:29:07] <roycroft> not many veggies do well in the shade
[18:29:16] <roycroft> my plan is to turn that area into an orchard
[18:29:21] <CaptHindsight> sheep rental for your tough lawn problems
[18:29:30] <roycroft> goats
[18:29:33] <XXCoder> grass for decoactive proposes, leave it tall in rised beds
[18:29:47] <XXCoder> tall fully grown grass does look awesome
[18:30:06] <roycroft> i might plant some barley in part of my yard
[18:30:08] <pcw_home> The trade off with sheep (or goats) is that you need to fence any tree/bush you want to keep
[18:30:22] <XXCoder> oh or grow kale on em
[18:30:24] <roycroft> the outfits that rent the goats include fencing as part of the deal
[18:30:46] <CaptHindsight> rent-a-goat
[18:30:49] <roycroft> the problem i can forsee is that goats are pretty good at jumping over fences
[18:31:06] <CaptHindsight> goat anchors
[18:31:14] <LeelooMinai> You can make small rodeo for your children
[18:31:16] <roycroft> one would have to use chains
[18:31:21] <roycroft> they will chew right through ropes
[18:31:31] <pcw_home> That why we have sheep (goats are good climbers also)
[18:31:43] <gregcnc> shock collars with GPS
[18:32:38] <CaptHindsight> how many acres is this backyard?
[18:32:51] <roycroft> i have 0.5 acres
[18:32:54] <roycroft> big for a city lot
[18:33:02] <roycroft> small for anything else
[18:33:29] <roycroft> i'd be happier with more like 10 acres
[18:33:34] <roycroft> but this is what i have, and i make it work
[18:33:45] <roycroft> more land would be actually easier to manage than less
[18:33:47] <roycroft> to a point
[18:36:00] * roycroft needs to go fight with solidworks soon, which will probably be more frustrating than fighting with the brambles
[18:36:30] <gregcnc> solidworks wars?
[18:36:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19897349/Millstream-Road-Marengo-IL/ 20 acres for $100K
[18:38:01] <gregcnc> probably not buildable at that price
[18:38:56] <CaptHindsight> shootin range
[18:40:20] <roycroft> that would require my moving back to illinois
[18:40:25] <roycroft> which is not going to happen
[18:40:46] <CaptHindsight> there is a pheasant hunting range near there
[18:41:02] <roycroft> my cousins lived in lake in the hills
[18:41:04] <roycroft> not far from there
[18:41:28] <LeelooMinai> "But one day they thought he was a deer and..."
[18:41:31] <CaptHindsight> was in LITH yesterday
[18:41:32] <gregcnc> you're a local too?
[18:41:53] <roycroft> i don't have doe eyes
[18:43:22] <roycroft> and my body shape cannot be considered even remotely approaching svelte any more
[18:43:29] <roycroft> i don't think i'd be mistaken for a deer
[18:44:02] <LeelooMinai> It only depends how bad the eysight of those hunters is:)
[18:44:03] <gregcnc> i watched an old CSI where a furry got mistaken for a coyote and shot
[18:44:52] <roycroft> a curmudgeon, mayhap, but never a deer
[18:44:54] <XXCoder> I wonder in 100 years wtih advanced med stuff furry would be actually furry and all that. would be higher risk for being shot in wild though :P
[18:45:01] <XXCoder> I'd not recommand hiking.
[18:45:21] <CaptHindsight> guess thats why they don't hold furry conventions in the woods
[18:46:00] <XXCoder> wouldnt know, only one I knew about was one where they rented a hotel and refguees happened to be sent there too. it went well but yeah
[18:46:11] <XXCoder> in least according to article anywa
[18:46:54] <gregcnc> did someone here post this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp76cHN2FDU
[18:48:30] <XXCoder> heh
[18:48:40] <_methods> hahah
[18:48:43] <_methods> whats a furry
[18:49:37] <roycroft> a cosplay variant
[18:49:50] <XXCoder> yeah, for some sexual thing too
[18:49:54] <gregcnc> this is a nice garage https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/gms/5753286913.html
[18:50:43] <LeelooMinai> Looks more like huge man cave
[18:50:55] <XXCoder> gregcnc: estant sale, guy probably dued
[18:50:57] <XXCoder> died
[18:51:06] <Cromaglious_> _methods, someone really fsck'd in the head
[18:51:28] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: honestly its more tame stuff than some I know of
[18:51:30] <XXCoder> like bsdm
[18:51:46] <XXCoder> baby play, so many fucked up stuff
[18:52:02] <_methods> that furrywolf guy that used to be in here was into that weird stuff
[18:52:17] <Cromaglious_> true... b isn't so bad.. it's the s...
[18:52:32] * LeelooMinai imagines all in the above conversation sitting by the keyboard in some weird animal costume
[18:52:33] <XXCoder> and Wolf if I recall. only one other isnt in this channel.
[18:52:36] <XXCoder> so its not very common
[18:52:53] <_methods> squat cobbler
[18:53:03] <roycroft> furrydom can encompass many things
[18:53:10] <roycroft> it's a pretty broad term
[18:53:22] <Cromaglious_> my wife are steam punkers... daughter is a cosplayer and we all are faire people
[18:53:23] <XXCoder> roy yeah and there is subgroups, like vole and yiffing :P
[18:53:43] <roycroft> i'm wearing shorts and a tie-dye tee shirt, leeloominai
[18:53:48] <roycroft> my typical casual attire
[18:53:53] <roycroft> i'm by no means a furry
[18:54:13] <roycroft> i had double knee carharts on until very recently
[18:54:17] <LeelooMinai> Only guilty explain:p
[18:54:18] <roycroft> because of the blackberries
[18:54:22] <malcom2073> For a moment I thought I was in #reprap
[18:54:24] <Cromaglious_> I'm being unusual today... white tshirt... I never wear white tshirts
[18:54:26] <roycroft> but i shed those as soon as i got done with them
[18:54:41] <roycroft> i buy white tee shirts by the box
[18:54:45] <roycroft> and then tie dye them :)
[18:54:49] <XXCoder> polo shirts and cargo shorts :P
[18:54:59] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, what's going on in #reprap usually - maybe it's interesting and worth checking out? :)
[18:55:04] <Cromaglious_> it does have Southbark, they fixed kenny on it...
[18:55:10] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: I dunno, you into furries? :-P
[18:55:11] <XXCoder> im like uber dad clothies preference. ironic because I have no kids
[18:55:14] <roycroft> i can't remember the last time time i wore a white tee-shirt
[18:55:18] <roycroft> certainly not in this century
[18:55:46] <roycroft> or this millenium, even
[18:55:49] <LeelooMinai> malcom2073: No, I thought maybe they do some "out of box" deisgns, I don't know:p
[18:55:59] <XXCoder> I worn white t-shirt few times, each time under umm button oup shirt for nice office look for interview? forgot what its cakled
[18:56:01] <malcom2073> They do indeed do out of the box designs.
[18:56:21] <Cromaglious_> I have like 3 of them and 2 singlets (wife beater)
[18:56:29] <XXCoder> lol
[18:56:32] <gregcnc> maybe that's why i feel like people are staring when i go the the homedepot in a white t shirt
[18:56:48] <LeelooMinai> I mean "out of the box" thinking deisngs, not taking pre-made rep-raps out of the box...
[18:57:09] <malcom2073> By out of the box, you mean throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Yep. that happens.
[18:57:10] <XXCoder> deltas seem to be getting popular.
[18:57:18] <XXCoder> I wonder if I can make delta mill station lol
[18:57:27] <XXCoder> though it sucks on side force lkol
[18:57:32] <malcom2073> XXCoder: there has been a couple, limited in size though
[18:58:03] <LeelooMinai> I was just going to say that those delta things probably are not good at side-cutting with any substantial force.
[18:58:38] <LeelooMinai> But could be good for, I don't know - painting stuff? :)
[18:59:04] <malcom2073> they're great for pick and place
[18:59:29] <LeelooMinai> Right, something that requires access from above and not too much force
[18:59:32] <malcom2073> Do pretty good as a 3d printer too, but tbh the benefits don't outweigh the headaches at least for me
[19:00:02] <dioz> anyone in here do any welding with galv iron sheet metal? 14-26 gauge? tig welding specifically
[19:00:19] <gregcnc> yes, i welded galv, but I'm dead now
[19:00:28] <malcom2073> dioz: I hear it leads to short term memory loss, and repeating of previous circumstances
[19:00:31] <malcom2073> ;)
[19:00:31] <dioz> that is horrible!
[19:00:50] <dioz> malcom2073: so it's kind of like alzheimers?
[19:00:58] <malcom2073> More like dementia
[19:01:10] <XXCoder> dioz: or zinc fever. which is fun from what I read
[19:01:18] <LeelooMinai> Groundhog Day Syndrom
[19:01:50] <CaptHindsight> is that like Gold fever only cheaper?
[19:02:14] <SpeedEvil> dioz: just grind it off, and done
[19:02:16] <XXCoder> heh gold is non-reactive in body. no such thing as gold fever, besides methorical one
[19:02:32] <dioz> is a gas lense really worth the extra money on a tig torch?
[19:02:34] <gregcnc> still probably chepaer than gold fever
[19:03:17] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Sometimes gold is not expensive enough
[19:03:19] <SpeedEvil> http://phys.org/news/2016-07-lab-titanium-gold-alloy-harder-steels.html
[19:03:36] <XXCoder> yeah I read about that, amazing!
[19:03:50] <CaptHindsight> makes machining fun
[19:03:51] <SpeedEvil> (70% Au/30% Ti (by weight)
[19:04:09] <XXCoder> I wish gold is not used as... well gold standard. it is so damned usable metal.
[19:04:14] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:04:35] <SpeedEvil> We're pretty much not on the gold standard anymore
[19:04:51] <XXCoder> Au is much heavier than Ti, I wonder what ratio looks like on atom count.
[19:04:55] <SpeedEvil> If we were, basically, it would be a gold rush to extract gold from seawater
[19:05:00] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: the other way
[19:05:06] <dioz> apparently a gas lense on a tig torch makes your sheilding gas flow much nicer out the torch
[19:05:09] <SpeedEvil> 3:1 Ti/Gold
[19:05:11] <dioz> and makes it easier to tig weld
[19:05:13] <XXCoder> yeah im pretty sure, curious on %
[19:05:14] <dioz> any comments on that?
[19:05:17] <gregcnc> it's still much cheaper to get it out of the ground
[19:05:18] <XXCoder> 3:1 huh interesting
[19:06:11] <XXCoder> we still need a uber cheap method to get titanium metal. titanium if I recall is much more common than even Al
[19:06:11] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: yeah - but not once you need that much gold
[19:06:19] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: we have it pretty much
[19:06:36] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Raw metal is ~$9/kg or something for the raw sponge
[19:07:00] <gregcnc> you just walk into the Bearing Sea and pick it off the bottom
[19:07:17] <XXCoder> whats Al look like on pricing?
[19:07:40] <SpeedEvil> $4? for formed metal
[19:08:03] <SpeedEvil> forming Ti from the raw spongy metal into useful stuff is expensive though
[19:08:12] <SpeedEvil> that $9 is not for drawn bar
[19:08:19] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:08:55] <SpeedEvil> http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/2/7/e1600319.full.pdf - PDF of gold/Ti paper
[19:09:12] <CaptHindsight> but how does one get the wood grain pattern to stay on its surface?
[19:09:27] <gregcnc> have you seen timascus?
[19:09:34] <SpeedEvil> relevant graph is top left page 2
[19:14:49] <XXCoder> heh http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/anXB31B_460s_v3.jpg
[19:14:55] <XXCoder> kind of relating to earlier discussion
[20:55:25] <XXCoder> https://manygolf.club/ lol
[21:36:59] <CaptHindsight> no expense was sparred for the accessories that came with the welder https://ibin.co/2tBc6Nmg9iLw.jpg
[21:37:30] <CaptHindsight> sparred/spared
[21:37:41] <XXCoder> scarred
[21:37:56] <CaptHindsight> welding shield ^^^
[21:38:05] <XXCoder> heh it looks so... umm
[21:38:06] <XXCoder> cheap
[21:38:30] <CaptHindsight> not like those "overbuilt" welding helmets :)
[21:39:05] <XXCoder> I guess you need 3 arms, one to hold welder, eye protection and if needed part too
[21:43:42] <CaptHindsight> Chinese Acrobats
[22:00:36] <CaptHindsight> ^^^ lack of Hobbit Hands
[22:02:13] <dioz> CaptHindsight: what welder?
[22:02:36] <dioz> mig? tig?
[22:05:45] <XXCoder> friction?
[22:06:19] <dioz> stick
[22:18:29] <LeelooMinai> I am designing a "hood" for the CNC, part of the enclosure, and I have only 1.5in x 0.25in alu bar to make hinge from.
[22:19:15] <LeelooMinai> You think this would work? http://i.imgur.com/Zpbi4r4.png
[22:20:07] <LeelooMinai> The hood is just extrusions, but there will be 0.25in plycarbonate panels in there, so won't be super-light I guess.
[22:20:38] <MacGalempsy> :)
[22:20:41] <XXCoder> hood for containing chips?
[22:20:52] <MacGalempsy> rolling brown outs earlier. thought we lost an AC unit
[22:21:09] <LeelooMinai> Well, partially, but also for overall safety.
[22:21:37] <XXCoder> that hidge looks ehh bit weak I guess?
[22:21:43] <XXCoder> steel would be better
[22:21:43] <LeelooMinai> I thought I would make 4 parts like on the screenshot, bolt them to the gountry, and I would have two hinges.
[22:22:00] <LeelooMinai> Right, no way I can make it from steel though...
[22:22:23] <XXCoder> make sure the cross bar dont hit the z assembly even when its rised all way up
[22:22:42] <XXCoder> way I see it it may be possible to hit z assembly
[22:22:53] <XXCoder> easy enough to just move it though lol
[22:23:17] <LeelooMinai> RIght, I will need to make some locking bar to keep the hood in proper open position.
[22:23:43] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wish I had wider piece of that alu bar.
[22:23:59] <XXCoder> no more scraps to use?
[22:24:28] <LeelooMinai> Well, have some 0.5inch pieces, but thats too thick.
[22:26:49] <XXCoder> im more concerned about flex side to side I think
[22:27:21] <XXCoder> if you have bender maybe some creative fins to make it much stronger
[22:27:33] <MacGalempsy> maybe another bolt on the single bolt point?
[22:27:35] <XXCoder> rounded for walking around safety
[22:27:58] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: its designed to be hidge so it have to be single
[22:29:09] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: how large is that thin sheet?
[22:29:13] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it would be easier to adapt some cabinet door hinge:)
[22:29:16] <XXCoder> I might have idea on stiffening
[22:29:25] <XXCoder> but it needs more materia;
[22:29:41] <LeelooMinai> It's 1.5inch 0.25 thick bar
[22:30:05] <XXCoder> its a rounded part attached to the moving part, so you can attach a "loose pin" that holds 2 parts together
[22:30:13] <MacGalempsy> the hinge just looks flimsy. I mean, it needs to be loose to hinge, so the whole thing will wobble left to right
[22:30:14] <XXCoder> it would be MUCH more stiff
[22:30:33] <XXCoder> mac indeed thats my issue, it simply dont have enough side to side stiffness.
[22:31:02] <XXCoder> if he has bender can just mill out "pre-bent" shape then bend fins
[22:31:07] <XXCoder> would be much more stiff
[22:31:18] <XXCoder> umm press is right word?
[22:31:32] <MacGalempsy> just mill out a calmp for the tslot and make a good hing
[22:32:27] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: I thought you cannot bend aluminum
[22:32:45] <XXCoder> where y9ou hear that?
[22:32:56] <XXCoder> my previous work we bent so many alum parts'
[22:33:11] <LeelooMinai> I mean to make a "fin" at 90 deg - I would think that would just break
[22:33:24] <XXCoder> in fact MOST of parts I ran there its designed to be bent into say box or weird 3d part and so on
[22:34:12] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, weird - I would never attempt to bend 0.25 inch bar:)
[22:34:34] <XXCoder> 1/4 is bit thick for bending but yeah
[22:36:13] <XXCoder> I suppose you can mill an V to make that line easier to bend but also weaker
[22:36:35] <XXCoder> maybe just go to hardware with parameters you need
[22:36:52] <XXCoder> like mount point to hidge, and look if anything would work
[22:36:59] <LeelooMinai> I don't "go" - I never leave my home:)
[22:39:11] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I should buy some wider bars and attach something bigger to the hood itself.
[22:39:33] <XXCoder> or just make it removable with locks
[22:39:37] <LeelooMinai> Some triangular shape on the whole length of the vertical edge.
[22:40:25] <LeelooMinai> Right, but hinge is convenient - you don't have to heave the whole hood out of the machine every time.
[22:40:33] <XXCoder> indeed
[22:41:03] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, the aluminum bars are not expensive, but deliver is $25
[22:42:03] <LeelooMinai> But I don't have confidency in this small part, so, will need to think more I guess.
[22:42:09] <LeelooMinai> confidence*
[22:42:39] <MacGalempsy> http://www.minitecframing.com/Products/Hinges_Links/Hinges_Links_Catalog_Pages.html/21.1098_Hinge_45S.html
[22:42:52] <MacGalempsy> check those tslot hinges
[22:43:12] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking something like the third one
[22:43:46] <LeelooMinai> I saw something like this, but they are expensive - all those little 80/20 fasteners are overpriced.
[22:43:54] <XXCoder> amazon have surpising cheap small blocks of alum
[22:44:08] <LeelooMinai> lol, blocks of alu from amazon
[22:44:10] <XXCoder> I bought 4 small alum blocks for 20 bucks if I recall. or 10? lol
[22:44:31] <MacGalempsy> I think if you can incorporate the double flange on each side, the lateral stability would be greater
[22:44:34] <XXCoder> im sure large bulk and cut em up is cheaper but then yeah
[22:44:43] <LeelooMinai> That sounds weird - I mean the postage cost is the main problem, so I don't know how it works for them...
[22:44:59] <XXCoder> lemme find link a sec
[22:45:03] <MacGalempsy> 80/80 postage is always high.
[22:45:09] <MacGalempsy> i mean 80/20
[22:45:10] <XXCoder> VERY high
[22:45:17] <MacGalempsy> I think it includes their cutting fee
[22:45:18] <XXCoder> still seeking local source :(
[22:45:39] <MacGalempsy> i get emails from them every once in a while
[22:45:49] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZS5YBUW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:45:53] <MacGalempsy> I think we have one locally
[22:46:03] <XXCoder> $17 for 4, shipped, 2"x4"
[22:46:09] <MacGalempsy> ouch that is pricy!
[22:46:33] <LeelooMinai> They are small though
[22:46:38] <MacGalempsy> i go to the local recycler, who has billet alum for $1/lb
[22:46:43] <XXCoder> yeah but same time I still havent found ny metal stock and 8020 souyrce around here
[22:46:58] <XXCoder> billet>
[22:47:00] <XXCoder> ?
[22:47:12] <MacGalempsy> yeah, stock, plate, bar
[22:47:20] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[22:47:25] <MacGalempsy> you in the US?
[22:47:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:47:43] <LeelooMinai> I bought those for my CNC from local "metalsupermarket.com"
[22:47:58] <LeelooMinai> But they don't sell extrusions.
[22:52:11] <MacGalempsy> I use some 80/20 20mm extrusions on my current design and it is kind of flimsy without reinforcement
[22:52:45] <LeelooMinai> That hood is 1010, so 1 inch - a bit bigger
[22:52:47] <XXCoder> my 3d printer uses em and yeah
[22:56:03] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/29270935146/in/dateposted-public/
[22:57:28] <LeelooMinai> That's a lot of weirdly-shaped parts...
[22:57:51] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I am working within a box, so I had to make it compact
[22:58:05] <LeelooMinai> But how will you make them?
[22:58:49] <MacGalempsy> they are cut on the cnc
[22:59:18] <MacGalempsy> each part has multiple setups
[22:59:28] <LeelooMinai> So those corners ones you would make from cubes of metal? :)
[22:59:55] <MacGalempsy> the wierdness comes from the antibacklash nut, pillow blocks and motormounts incorporated into single brackets
[23:00:29] <MacGalempsy> the following pics are of the cabinet everything is mounting into
[23:04:48] <MacGalempsy> the one thing I noticed about tslot is that it is so pricey. that is why I am using a server cabinet as the main frame. they are cheap
[23:05:05] <XXCoder> isnt there offbrand ones?
[23:05:15] <XXCoder> like 8020 but not 8020
[23:05:29] <MacGalempsy> I think there is a japanese company called mistumi
[23:05:41] <MacGalempsy> or something like that, they offer painted options
[23:06:05] <MacGalempsy> the ones that came with my first kit are yellow, so not sure what brand they are
[23:07:22] <LeelooMinai> I know those dudes have little ones with some v-slots or whatever: http://makerparts.ca/
[23:07:24] <XXCoder> wtf http://us.misumi-ec.com/forcia/maintenance/
[23:07:36] <LeelooMinai> I also saw some Faztek company that had own ones
[23:08:40] <LeelooMinai> I think they had kickstarter for it some time ago
[23:08:45] <MacGalempsy> oh, I have some huge tslot that is made by rexroth
[23:08:51] <MacGalempsy> it is like 45x90
[23:09:23] <MacGalempsy> the ends use m12 and the nuts are like m6
[23:09:51] <LeelooMinai> You can build a crane from it
[23:10:22] <MacGalempsy> thinking about a router
[23:10:54] <XXCoder> dang
[23:11:05] <XXCoder> mac yeah I have small one but I want huge one evenually
[23:11:12] <XXCoder> one that can handle standard wood sheet
[23:12:25] <MacGalempsy> I bought them on splurge, now I use a few for the frame below the cnc for shelving. pretty pricey frame. its not the tslot, so much, but the fittings can be like $25 a corner
[23:14:19] <XXCoder> yeah I notice extrusion tend to punch you on parts not extrusions itself
[23:19:39] <MacGalempsy> with all those funky brackets on the printer gantry, I want to call this one the tetris
[23:22:29] <XXCoder> :)
[23:26:48] <pink_vampire> hi
[23:27:55] <XXCoder> hey the fanged one
[23:31:06] <pink_vampire> how is your blood today?
[23:32:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[23:32:28] <XXCoder> blood?
[23:32:32] <XXCoder> its always been fine lol
[23:32:40] <XXCoder> my wrist is less sore and tight however
[23:40:47] <MacGalempsy> how is Mock3 performing today?
[23:41:47] <pink_vampire> mock3??
[23:42:38] <pink_vampire> MacGalempsy:
[23:42:45] <MacGalempsy> isnt that the name?
[23:42:52] <pink_vampire> mach3?
[23:43:26] <MacGalempsy> oh thats right
[23:43:37] <XXCoder> heh mach3 I looked at it and didnt bother to try it
[23:43:44] <XXCoder> my machine come with one
[23:44:47] <MacGalempsy> the only mach3 I used is the razor
[23:51:27] <pink_vampire> i've used it this morning to skim the top and the bottom of a gear
[23:54:41] <Cromaglious_> tried to fire up the 3040 today... 18v PS is dead, dead as a door nail, not that I know what is particurly dead about a door nail..
[23:55:33] <Cromaglious_> best christmas these days... Every christmas story ever told and then some
[23:55:41] <XXCoder> doornail is full of germs on it. not very dead. ;)
[23:55:49] <Cromaglious_> christmas play/show
[23:58:14] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: did it ever work before?
[23:59:16] <Cromaglious_> yes... I pulled the YOOCNC stepper board and put in TB6600's and a generic BOB...