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[00:04:18] <Cromaglious> fingured out my laserweb problem... Computer requires webGL on the video card and run laserweb in chrome or chromium
[00:40:56] <toastydeath> i have the weirdest hiring problem
[01:10:32] <Cromaglious_> hiring problem?
[01:14:33] <toastydeath> i put out a job ad
[01:15:04] <archivist> seems the biggest problem with hiring, is the people writing the job adverts and list of "pre requisites"
[01:15:16] <toastydeath> and the response has been a little too good, because there are now too many people to phone interview reliably
[01:15:53] <toastydeath> i don't have any prereqs and there's no bulleted list
[01:16:41] <archivist> why you got lots or replies
[01:16:53] <toastydeath> http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/tch/5748226130.html
[01:16:53] <archivist> or/of
[01:17:05] <toastydeath> tons of replies, and about 1/3 are phone-interview quality
[01:18:04] <toastydeath> although this did get me the worst resume i've ever seen
[01:18:19] <toastydeath> some woman sent out a resume that listed windows 3.1 and AS/400
[01:18:29] <toastydeath> and then went on for 11 pages about nothing
[01:18:32] <toastydeath> 11 pages.
[01:19:22] <archivist> well there is one requirement I hate...PDF
[01:19:41] <toastydeath> yeah but that's there for two reasons, one is to filter people who have strong preferences
[01:20:00] <toastydeath> the other is if i told people to submit postscript files i'd get no responses
[01:20:30] <archivist> I dont create it because it is useless for fold outs in manual scans
[01:20:51] <toastydeath> the real reason i use it: it's there as a filter to check if someone read the whole thing, or if they just spammed me
[01:21:18] <toastydeath> if i get a .doc, that tells me someone does not have the attention to detail i'm looking for
[01:21:32] <toastydeath> it's literally the only actual requirement in the entire thing
[01:21:56] <Cromaglious_> hehe.. I remember the old postscript column in computer shopper... print on demand
[01:22:00] <archivist> I saw one job ad for historic computer repair in a museum, the pre req was all M$ outlook,word etc
[01:22:51] <toastydeath> hahaha
[01:22:53] <archivist> the emial to me was atrivial, why was it set as a pre req!
[01:23:14] <toastydeath> i've actually gotten two types of angry emails
[01:23:24] <toastydeath> there's a set of people who are very mad I hate on fedoras
[01:23:37] <toastydeath> and actually will spend paragraphs arguing about it
[01:23:50] <toastydeath> and then i get people who are Free Software It's GNU/Linux types
[01:24:10] <toastydeath> who refuse to send me a pdf but for some reason think i've lost out by them not submitting a resume i'd throw out anyway
[01:25:27] <Cromaglious_> HAHA no fedora's... well that leaves me out... I like wearing fedora's and other quality felt hats
[01:25:46] <Cromaglious_> I think I've had 1 redhat machine and 0 fedora installs
[01:25:54] <archivist> I use a woolly hat, pass
[01:26:05] <toastydeath> this is all social screening, i don't actually care if someone wears a fedora
[01:26:09] <toastydeath> i just want them to be presentable
[01:26:30] <Cromaglious_> amd I'm on the wrong coast
[01:26:58] <toastydeath> i give my guys a ton of latitude and i make very few arbitrary decisions, if i need to make a group decision I'll send an email out describing the problem and ask for feedback
[01:27:05] <toastydeath> there's usually consensus
[01:27:14] <Cromaglious_> and no drivers license
[01:27:21] <archivist> there is a fine line between presentable and getting under a desk to fix a PC
[01:27:41] <toastydeath> we don't do that type of work - we're all datacenter dudes
[01:27:49] <Cromaglious_> button down arrow shirts, dickies slacks...
[01:28:01] <toastydeath> dress code is "whatever looks good on you"
[01:28:17] <toastydeath> if you have a button down but don't know how to buy a properly sized shirt, we're gonna have a talk
[01:28:37] <toastydeath> wear what you want as long as you look put together
[01:28:55] <toastydeath> context also matters. if you're gonna be in the office all day, i give no shits
[01:29:29] <toastydeath> if we're building a rack to deliver, then for the love of god dress appropriately and don't wear a button down when you know we'll be outside in 90 degree weather
[01:29:42] <toastydeath> common sense above all else
[01:29:43] <Cromaglious_> haven't cut my hair in 12 years or shaved in 3
[01:30:14] <toastydeath> wouldn't fly unless you rocked it, everyone winds up in sales meetings
[01:30:16] <Cromaglious_> heh in 110 weather I'm still in button down shirt, usually darker shades to keep the sun off me
[01:30:18] <toastydeath> sometimes on short notice
[01:30:48] <toastydeath> if you had a cali-facebook-vibe it would work
[01:31:08] <toastydeath> once we have dedicated dc staff it won't matter in the slightest
[01:31:28] <toastydeath> show up in pajamas if old people buying things won't see you
[01:31:44] <Cromaglious_> PJ what are they?
[01:32:26] <toastydeath> lol
[01:33:19] <Cromaglious_> I have Victorian wear, Renaissance faire, and medieval, and jeans
[01:33:58] <toastydeath> victorian would probably work
[01:34:14] <toastydeath> no mead or beer in the dc though.
[01:34:34] <Cromaglious_> all my slacks and work shirts are now trashed... I haven't bought any in over 12 years... I can show up looking like a Victorian dandy or a Renaissance Duke
[01:35:09] <toastydeath> dandy would definitely go over better with the clients
[01:35:27] <Cromaglious_> can't touch alky.. won't touch alky.. Just tobaky and tea
[01:36:16] <Cromaglious_> bib front trousers, frock coat, ascott, spats, top hat, felt day or satin night and tails if required
[01:36:46] <toastydeath> i mean i have half sleeve tattoos
[01:36:59] <toastydeath> i can honestly say you won't shock people with that more than i do
[01:37:02] <Cromaglious_> Think I have a white dinner jacket on my facebook Robert Akerley-Mc Kee
[01:37:39] <Cromaglious_> that picture is 10 years old
[01:38:49] <Cromaglious_> Think I have a white dinner jacket on my facebook Robi Akerley-Mc Kee
[01:46:31] <archivist> checking for home interests is a good thing, sorts out the box watchers
[01:49:41] <toastydeath> yeah. i actively search for admins who advance too slowly
[01:49:54] <toastydeath> given their circumstances, anyway
[01:53:17] <Hvaexlove> ÓÐÈËÂð
[01:54:21] <Cromaglious_> damn it.. to uise a thb6600 driver board with a MKS Sbase, you have make a inverter board...
[01:55:30] <Cromaglious_> the step and direction on the THB wants a connection to ground.. and the Sbase sends +5v
[01:55:52] <Cromaglious_> hmm optoisolators...
[01:56:39] <Cromaglious_> or run them into the parallel port of a BOB
[01:56:53] <Cromaglious_> might have to play with that
[01:57:41] <archivist> not all BOBs can source and sink
[02:01:29] <Cromaglious_> the BOB I have will sink the drivers like they want and be a sink through the parallel port for the step and dir pins off the Sbase
[03:34:24] <pink_vampire> hi
[03:36:21] <XXCoder> yo
[03:36:29] <XXCoder> so bored.
[03:36:40] <XXCoder> \wish my machine worked, I'd be working on it lol
[04:17:30] <pink_vampire> I'm making chips right now
[04:17:50] <pink_vampire> I don't know what to do about the finish
[04:18:44] <pink_vampire> i can't get it to mirror finish
[04:19:48] <XXCoder> I dont know how people figure how to do that
[04:20:14] <XXCoder> though I heard good things about flycutter. coworker of mine cheated by using only one tooth on facemill though
[04:21:22] <XXCoder> low feed speed, very high rpm
[04:21:29] <XXCoder> very small cut depth
[04:21:37] <XXCoder> thats what I understand, could be wrong
[04:22:44] <pink_vampire> i'm using 1/8' 4f end mill
[04:22:49] <archivist> I dont thing a chinese mill will ever get that kind of finish
[04:23:05] <pink_vampire> and it's work +- ok
[04:23:59] <XXCoder> arch yeah iirc it requires machine to be very rigid and low vibration
[04:25:36] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/zx6SqVM.png
[04:25:41] <archivist> and a very good spindle and the right speed and climb milling and flood coolant
[04:25:52] <pink_vampire> that is the finish^
[04:26:36] <archivist> wrong to be surfacing with1/8" diameter
[04:27:08] <pink_vampire> i know, ignore that.
[04:27:13] <archivist> specially a blunt one see right have castle effect
[04:27:25] <archivist> have/hand
[04:27:47] <XXCoder> man it looks REALLLY rough but cutting does have that illusion heh how do it feel like? glassy smooth?
[04:27:58] <XXCoder> castle effect I think I see why its called that.
[04:28:27] <pink_vampire> what is the castle effect ?
[04:29:12] <pink_vampire> it feel super smooth like glass
[04:29:14] <XXCoder> you ever seen a castle? its edges are slightly shaggerated
[04:29:39] <LeelooMinai> It's called castellation
[04:29:44] <XXCoder> nice, I guess edges can be deburred
[04:30:37] <pink_vampire> i see what you mean
[04:31:49] <pink_vampire> yes. it's just deburring thing
[04:31:57] <archivist> that is showing material pushed over the edge
[04:32:47] <pink_vampire> it's face it in "s" shape pattern
[04:33:17] <pink_vampire> maybe it's better to cut only in one direction?
[04:34:18] <XXCoder> yeah you was alternating climb cut and conviential
[04:34:36] <XXCoder> though not too sure how important it is, in least you would have one easy to deburr edge.
[04:35:22] <pink_vampire> how deep to cut?
[04:35:26] <pink_vampire> 0.1mm?
[04:35:32] <pink_vampire> more? less?
[04:36:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: archivist
[04:37:31] <XXCoder> unfortunately I dont know enough about cutting basics. missed that part of internship lol
[04:38:13] <pink_vampire> i'm going to try 0.1mm climb
[04:38:33] <archivist> we clock makers polish the marks out
[04:39:17] <XXCoder> ever used cutting patterns to have a cool look arch?
[04:39:18] <archivist> never expect anything like a mirror with 1/8" endmill
[04:39:39] <XXCoder> theres way to get mirror finish anyway
[04:39:42] <XXCoder> oilstones and such
[04:39:57] <XXCoder> watch clickspring, amazing channel, that.
[04:40:03] <archivist> I did a knurl for a knob with a milled helical
[04:41:35] <XXCoder> cool :)
[04:41:52] <archivist> mirror finish is easy with
http://www.metalclay.co.uk/3m-polishing-papers-12-sheets/
[04:42:42] <XXCoder> nice
[04:42:52] <XXCoder> wish theres such thing for plastic lol
[04:43:42] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_07_15_Webb_Clock/P1010006.JPG
[04:44:21] <archivist> and dont mark stuff so you dont then need to polish it
[04:44:30] <XXCoder> nice
[04:48:33] <pink_vampire> i'm thinking maybe i need to shim the head of the machine
[04:48:55] <pink_vampire> but my dial indicator die
[04:53:23] <archivist> shim wont fix machine design errors, cheap spindle bearings, and wrong tooling
[04:55:04] <pink_vampire> i will reduce the error
[04:55:04] <archivist> there are limits to quality from that sort of machine, the rest has to be hand finishing or accept it for what it is
[04:55:11] <jthornton> morning
[05:04:37] <pink_vampire> nice finish
[05:05:06] <XXCoder> check your tool runout with dial test indictor
[05:06:03] <pink_vampire> it can stick it to a glass with drop of water and it's very hard to pull it out
[05:06:21] <pink_vampire> so it is super flat
[05:07:14] <pink_vampire> the block also can lift itself if i'm holding the glass up side down
[05:48:53] <Deejay> moin
[05:49:18] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: nice
[05:49:19] <XXCoder> hey
[05:50:03] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay, what are you up to?
[05:50:35] <Deejay> busy and sweating in the heat :/
[05:50:37] <Deejay> hi pink
[05:50:56] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: yes it's quite surprised me how good the contact between the aluminum and the glass
[05:51:29] <XXCoder> heh I have lifted 123 block using other 123 block. sueprflat items is fun
[05:52:01] <XXCoder> though careful it can fall off unexpectly, thankfully it fell to thick towel I used to make sure 123 dont get damaged
[05:52:04] <pink_vampire> it's cool
[05:53:01] <pink_vampire> i just flip it to see if it can hold itself
[07:15:22] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[07:23:38] <XXCoder> amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyBWRD3aY
[07:33:01] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: you going to make one?
[07:33:09] <XXCoder> probably not lol
[07:35:56] <MacGalempsy> me neither
[07:36:14] <MacGalempsy> debating pulling out the vise and installing the 4th axis
[07:40:32] <XXCoder> well tyou can switch as needed anyway
[07:41:13] <MacGalempsy> the only thing is I got a friend coming over today and the 4th axis isnt tuned
[08:17:34] <zeeshan> =D
[08:17:36] <zeeshan> do it!
[08:17:55] <MacGalempsy> good morning zeeshan. how goes it?
[08:18:09] <zeeshan> about to machine a copper gasket!! :D
[08:18:20] <MacGalempsy> sweet. livestream it
[08:18:26] <MacGalempsy> for your manifold?
[08:18:34] <zeeshan> one of the flanges yes
[08:18:46] <zeeshan> after that i put the exhaust together and hopefully drive! :D
[08:19:10] <zeeshan> man im a bit bitter this morning
[08:19:12] <MacGalempsy> sick. are you replacing, upgrading, both, bigger turbos?
[08:19:16] <zeeshan> i've been using android for about 6 months now
[08:19:21] <zeeshan> and i can't believe how bad it is compared to the ios
[08:19:31] <MacGalempsy> lol. how so?
[08:19:38] <zeeshan> you got stupid apps running in the background even when you close them using the app manager thing
[08:19:50] <zeeshan> so you keep getting notifications from them
[08:19:58] <zeeshan> only way to stop that is by removing the app..
[08:19:59] <MacGalempsy> you need to root your device
[08:20:22] <MacGalempsy> mine is under warranty, but may try it on an old s4
[08:20:55] <zeeshan> i just wanna use the phone :(
[08:20:57] <zeeshan> not f around with it
[08:20:58] <zeeshan> hehe
[08:21:06] <zeeshan> all me a dummy but i miss the ios
[08:21:24] <MacGalempsy> i hear ya. i havent rooted
[08:21:36] <zeeshan> to answer your above q, i did a whole bunch of upgrades
[08:21:50] <zeeshan> transmission rebuild, remounted turbos etc
[08:21:58] <zeeshan> its been so long, i dont even remember what ive done
[08:21:58] <zeeshan> haha
[08:23:21] <MacGalempsy> polish the inlets?
[08:23:31] <zeeshan> nope :P
[08:24:10] <MacGalempsy> i got to run against a mid 2000s corvette the other day
[08:24:25] <MacGalempsy> but my wife freaked out because "we were going too fast"
[08:33:45] <Deejay> high speed, low drag!
[08:34:33] <MacGalempsy> major drag on the fun!
[08:37:36] <zeeshan> nice
[08:37:36] <zeeshan> lol
[08:41:09] <MacGalempsy> what kind of fixture are you going to use for the gasket material?
[08:41:51] <zeeshan> hehe
[08:41:52] <zeeshan> good q
[08:42:03] <zeeshan> i made spare flanges
[08:42:13] <zeeshan> so im going to sandwiched a few sheets of copper between them
[08:42:26] <zeeshan> bandsaw them approximately to the right size
[08:42:32] <zeeshan> then finish it off in the mill
[08:42:47] <zeeshan> ill try to snap a pic
[08:42:57] <zeeshan> i hate using the phone in the garage cause of chips and oil :P
[08:43:22] <MacGalempsy> sounds fun. this week I got a couple of operations done on these brackets, but waiting on some metric er20 collets so I can drill the holes
[08:44:31] <MacGalempsy> I need a horizontal bandsaw...
[08:44:50] <archivist> heh ER collets shrink to fit, who needs metric
[08:45:44] <archivist> a bit like an inch adjustable spanner!
[08:45:48] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately, the rest of the machine is metric, so
[08:46:33] <MacGalempsy> going to try and stick with it
[08:46:52] <archivist> a real inch adjustable
http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/?p=153
[08:46:57] <MacGalempsy> was taking a look at single pitch threadmillls. my lord they are pricey
[08:47:27] <MacGalempsy> good old polish imperial, huh?
[08:47:53] <archivist> digital adjustable :)
[08:52:36] <MacGalempsy> have any of you guys used the at_pid component?
[09:30:35] <Tom_itx> i'm using it on my spindle
[09:32:04] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: do you set it up in the terminal window, then take the output for the regular PID, or do you just use it in place of the normal PID component?
[09:32:50] <Tom_itx> i misread what you asked... i'm using the PID on the spindle
[09:33:05] <Tom_itx> wasn't even aware of the AT_PID
[09:33:35] <MacGalempsy> i am going through it right now, writing a HAL file to try it out on the a-axis
[09:33:39] <Tom_itx> i think i used near on that but i'd have to look
[09:34:24] <Tom_itx> i used something there to keep it from going crazy when i snapped it into reverse
[09:34:26] <MacGalempsy> if it works well, I will use it on the other axes, which are slightly over tuned
[09:34:58] <MacGalempsy> I am still trying to figure out how to override the internal pid settings on this vfd
[09:35:48] <MacGalempsy> I can manually set it internally, but curious if 1 values for PID would allow an external signal to prevail?
[09:36:08] <MacGalempsy> or 1, 0 ,0
[09:38:32] <Tom_itx> yeah i used near on mine
[09:38:46] <Tom_itx> but i wouldn't go by what i did, it's a cheap sherline dc motor
[09:39:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.hal
[09:39:11] <Tom_itx> i should clean that up too.
[09:42:20] <Tom_itx> there's alot going on with the spindle there because i'm using the stock control with relays to get reverse
[09:42:49] <Tom_itx> and i didn't want to switch the relay under load so i built some tiny delays into it
[09:53:18] <MacGalempsy> the factory PID numbers on mine work well, but there is no orientation control
[09:54:00] <MacGalempsy> near 5% worked for me
[10:03:49] <Tom_itx> so how is AT_PID different than PID?
[10:04:19] <Tom_itx> auto tuning?
[10:04:31] <Tom_itx> maybe that's what the "AT" means
[10:07:27] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: auto tuning is correct
[10:07:36] <MacGalempsy> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/at_pid.9.html
[10:07:36] <CaptHindsight> Pathpilot/LinuxCNC/EMC2 took the gold crown
http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2016/08/26/outstanding-satisfaction-loved-cnc-controls-2016/
[10:08:14] <MacGalempsy> not sure how advanced it is, but I thought giving it a try on the wrapping a-axis should be a safe bet
[10:08:18] <archivist> but who is going to pay for the pdf!
[10:09:30] <Tom_itx> mach didn't fair so well
[10:09:34] <MacGalempsy> you should, then post it in your archive!
[10:10:07] <archivist> hoooo meeee
[10:26:07] <MacGalempsy> well, time to go hiking. catcha yall laters.
[11:43:12] <Magnifikus> anyone warm with canopen? my drive is slacking exactly one rotation behind the commanded position in interpolated mode
[11:43:31] <Magnifikus> like its waiting until the error is 65535 (thats one rotation) and then starts to move
[11:43:43] <Magnifikus> the position_window is 10 and the gain is 1.0
[12:02:15] <Guest1754> hello, i'm trying to connect my linuxcnc machine via wifi-usb-dongle to my router but it keeps asking me to specify the proper wlan-key (which is definitely correct) any ideas/suggestions on how to get that working?
[12:03:00] <archivist> er wot..wifi usb? is this for vnc or internet
[12:03:14] <Guest1754> its for internal connections
[12:03:32] <Guest1754> for access from my laptop/pc to the pc that's running linuxcnc
[12:03:39] * archivist uses real wire
[12:03:47] <Deejay> get cat5e :D
[12:04:05] <Guest1754> well i can't use wires without drilling through the walls and stuff which i wanted to avoid.
[12:04:10] <Deejay> have you some kind of MAC access filter enabled in your router settings?
[12:04:15] <Deejay> need to add the wifi-usb-mac?
[12:04:35] <Guest1754> Deejay: no, it's set to: allow all new devices, using wpa2-personal with passphrase
[12:04:45] <Deejay> hm k, was just an idea
[12:04:54] <Guest1754> weird thing is, lsusb returns: command not found
[12:05:23] <Guest1754> keyboard&mouse are connected through usb aswell, working flawless
[12:17:57] <plpower> hi from germany realy hot day
[12:18:13] <plpower> we hit 38deg C
[12:22:32] <nubcake> plpower: mahlzeit, hier auch
[12:23:18] <nubcake> btt: got it running, seems the link was little too weak, fixed it through a usb-cord running it from behind the pc to the front for better signal.
[12:29:34] <Magnifikus> i love how people try not to fix the problem with a fix but rather remove troublemaker :D
[12:29:51] <plpower> always the best outcome
[12:30:05] <plpower> first trey the most resonable
[12:30:08] <plpower> im off
[12:30:12] <Magnifikus> can someplz plz purge the linuxcnc git?
[12:30:21] <plpower> need to shower full of plasma flakes
[12:30:22] <Magnifikus> would save alot of power and bandwidth!
[12:30:58] <plpower> Magnifikus: why arent yolu using redy made stable
[12:31:17] <Magnifikus> cause im running on zynq ;)
[12:31:19] <plpower> beeing in dev mode is not a good mashine
[12:31:20] <Magnifikus> need canopen
[12:31:28] <plpower> ok
[12:31:44] <Magnifikus> will need machinekit anyway cause headless
[12:31:56] <plpower> i do alot of ngcgui now at the school ficing helix crc
[12:35:47] <Sync> Magnifikus: you know that you can shallow clone?
[12:36:23] <Magnifikus> you mean --depth 1?
[12:36:47] <Magnifikus> but thats not my real problem, its this servos i was happy about :)
[12:36:49] <Magnifikus> with canopen
[12:37:48] <Magnifikus> also purge linuxcnc git was more about removing the troublemaker
[14:43:34] <nubcake> Does anyone know what kind of controller this is?
http://goo.gl/8YQDiW thanks in advance
[15:35:40] <MacGalempsy> hello
[15:38:30] <RedBull> nubcake: China's finest. Our you trying to find one?
[15:38:58] <RedBull> *are
[15:51:00] <Frank_17> guys, fans or no fans on electrical cnc cabinet¿? its a 3x3 foot enclosure, dunno if fans are needed, i got 4 servos 1kw, switching psu, pc, and vfd, any comment appreciated thanks
[16:03:27] <Magnifikus> atleast it seems to have formal coating :)
[16:03:42] <LeelooMinai> confromal even
[16:03:47] <Magnifikus> oh
[16:03:51] <Magnifikus> sry :P
[16:04:13] <LeelooMinai> it "conforms" to the surface
[16:17:08] <Deejay> gn8
[16:21:49] <Cromaglious_> hmmm just got linux kernel 3.18.22, gonna try rtai 5.0 test2 on it
[16:23:00] <Tom_itx> Frank_17, fans with filters
[16:23:28] <Tom_itx> mine is smaller than that and has a fan
[16:24:49] <Cromaglious_> yup, fans with filters or fans drawing from a filter box
[16:55:18] <Cromaglious_> hmmm just looking at the github MKS-base gen board.. and they had a THB6600 driver hooked straight to the MKS board.
[17:07:59] <Cromaglious_> just had a though of using this $400 listing as a sphere engraver for the laser.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Rotational-Axis-/262408923307 Cut a hole in the bottom and run a 4" 101.6mm focal lens
[17:08:29] <Cromaglious_> thought
[17:08:43] <XXCoder> sphere engraver
[17:08:52] <XXCoder> I bet you can design a more effecient design for that
[17:09:06] <Cromaglious_> this one I can just buy
[17:09:27] <XXCoder> lemme find one a second lol
[17:09:50] <Cromaglious_> I wanna mill SOOOOO BAD!!!!!
[17:10:08] <XXCoder> http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/tinykitlist/171-egg-bot
[17:10:26] <XXCoder> its quite overpriced
[17:11:57] <Cromaglious_> kinda hard to get in the laser and the tool moves kinda defeats the idea.. Have to make the tool arm move the rest of the device
[17:12:34] <Cromaglious_> less than double the price I get something I can use in the laser and the mill
[17:12:41] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:13:29] <Cromaglious_> damn VA takes toooo long! I want my money!!!
[17:47:49] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/yFjF3fL
[17:49:53] <XXCoder> man
[17:50:04] <XXCoder> SS is full of imcompent fucks
[17:50:21] <XXCoder> I have told them to close my case for literally years
[17:50:39] <XXCoder> I didnt even respond to "you must attend meeting or we will close your case" for years too
[17:50:39] <LeelooMinai> I thought you watch some WWII movie.
[17:51:22] <XXCoder> SS is literally the worse goverment agency in usa
[17:53:01] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: heh the nazi SS would manage ss agency better. sure it'd be so much more racist but... :P
[17:53:05] <SpeedEvil> Not better in the UK.
[17:53:29] <LeelooMinai> In UK that would be Secret Service? :)
[17:53:32] <SpeedEvil> Especially fun is functionaries that don't actually understand and act on law, even if presented to them in very small words.
[17:53:33] <XXCoder> really? that sucks
[17:53:38] <SpeedEvil> Department of work and pensions.
[17:54:05] <LeelooMinai> Sounds like some agency from Harry Potter
[17:54:37] <XXCoder> dont get me wrong, I do support helping hand when needed, I have been on it for years, but they are literally the most disorganized agency ever
[17:55:28] <XXCoder> at one point, I told them to close my case because I was earning bit above max. they went on and on for 14 months, even with tight money I refused to use it (its before I got current job)
[17:55:49] <XXCoder> they finally warned me about overearning. I already (at that point) told them 6 times
[17:56:08] <XXCoder> after that they instantly sent me bill for owed amount
[17:56:36] <XXCoder> i sent them information, and over 6 months later they say i havent responded and must pay now or start taking from wage
[17:57:03] <XXCoder> I sent them same info in, and put in "I already sent you this info, dont lose this paper"
[17:57:16] <XXCoder> 5 months later they finally use it to get money
[17:59:15] <SpeedEvil> I have taken to instead of only sending to the proper addressed getting it courier delivered to the head office.
[17:59:29] <XXCoder> wish its possible here
[17:59:41] <SpeedEvil> And am very, very small amounts away from taking them to court.
[18:01:56] <Magnifikus> yay
http://pasteboard.co/1nRmYbaHl.png :D
[18:02:31] <XXCoder> ?
[18:02:33] <Magnifikus> okay the servos are off at night, but atleast linuxcnc is generating canopen packets
[18:04:04] * LeelooMinai ponders if they are on at day
[18:04:47] <Magnifikus> yes cause its in the bedroom and you know how easy it is to start a war
[18:09:00] <Cromaglious_> My veterans admin case has been going 8 years... it's been to the board of veterans appeals twice
[18:09:25] <XXCoder> ugh from what I hear usa VA is way worse than SS and thats saying something
[18:09:52] <XXCoder> and Vets deserve assistance more than I ever will.
[18:10:52] <Cromaglious_> case gets remanded... They are to process it expeditiously.. which to them is evidently within 5 years
[18:12:00] <Cromaglious_> they better make me whole when I get my rating set to over 50% and give me all the money and penalties they've taken from me.
[18:12:38] <XXCoder> good luck, I heard theres ww2 vets still waiting
[18:12:47] <Cromaglious_> yep...
[18:12:56] <XXCoder> and some never will get because at one time records building burnt down
[18:13:14] <LeelooMinai> Or they die...
[18:13:41] <XXCoder> its sad that solder, firing $60,000 anti-tank weapon is paid half that
[18:14:39] <LeelooMinai> It's also sad that $60k weapons are needed
[18:14:53] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: its cheap compared to most stuff they use
[18:15:36] <LeelooMinai> Right, well, I saw what's the US military bidget:)
[18:15:41] <LeelooMinai> budget*
[18:15:56] <XXCoder> yeah and solders themselves and vets get the shit
[18:16:08] <XXCoder> s/the//
[18:19:24] <XXCoder> sorry treatement of vets and solders by our glorious usa goverment is my hot button issue
[18:23:54] <Cromaglious_> there's been more than one fire there
[18:24:34] * LeelooMinai senses a conspiracy theory being born
[18:27:00] <roycroft> the military is not about paying soldiers or taking care of them
[18:27:08] <roycroft> or even keeping the nation safe
[18:27:23] <roycroft> it's about lining the pockets of the military industrial complex
[18:27:51] <Roguish> it's totally voluntary today. don't wanna join, don't.
[18:28:01] <roycroft> sort of
[18:28:12] <XXCoder> forgot who but decades ago famous govererment guy warned against miliary/industry complex
[18:28:20] <roycroft> president eisenhower
[18:28:33] <roycroft> and nobody would know better than he
[18:28:52] <roycroft> as he was one of a handful of five star generals this nation has ever had
[18:29:10] <roycroft> military leaders don't like how it works
[18:29:19] <roycroft> but it's not in their hands - it's in the hands of the congress
[18:30:03] <roycroft> as far as being "voluntary"
[18:30:11] <Cromaglious_> There is a video clip of Ike saying that exact line.. might be on youtube now.
[18:30:31] <roycroft> a lot of heavy recruitment is done in inner cities, where there are virtually no prospects for betting oneself
[18:30:33] <roycroft> bettering
[18:30:47] <roycroft> "join the army, or get busted for drugs and go to jail"
[18:30:49] <Roguish> love to see a constitutional amendment requiring the president and vice president to have actual real military service.
[18:31:03] <Cromaglious_> true...
[18:31:24] <roycroft> it would be better to have a mandatory draft and not allow the children of congress members to be exempt
[18:31:34] <Roguish> maybe even the same for members of the federal congress.....
[18:31:37] <roycroft> the president and vice president don't have much to do with military spending
[18:32:09] <Cromaglious_> yep universal draft. You get your choice of Army, Navy, Vista, Peace Corp
[18:32:10] <Roguish> sure they do.
[18:32:15] <roycroft> not really
[18:32:30] <roycroft> the vp has nothing to say about anything :)
[18:32:41] <XXCoder> heh I would flunk it draft. deaf and too many health problems
[18:32:43] <roycroft> and the president has no real power to decide on weapons programs and the like
[18:32:49] <Cromaglious_> vp only has the vote on a tie in the senate
[18:32:54] <Roguish> well, that may be, but remember the vp is only an ied away from the front office.
[18:33:15] <Cromaglious_> then you'd probably go Vista
[18:33:21] <roycroft> but requiring the president and vp to have had military serfice is meaningless
[18:33:38] <roycroft> requiring their children to spend time in the military is nanother matter
[18:33:43] <roycroft> another, dammit
[18:33:47] * roycroft can't type today
[18:33:48] <Roguish> ha, that may work.
[18:34:06] <Cromaglious_> I like heinlein's idea... no service, no vote
[18:34:08] <Roguish> send their own kids to the front lines...
[18:34:30] <roycroft> trump was a draft dodger
[18:34:39] <roycroft> do you think he would care about who he sends into battle?
[18:34:48] <roycroft> clinton is a hawk
[18:34:48] <Cromaglious_> Do I get 2 votes since I served in the Peace Corps and USAF? heh
[18:34:56] <Roguish> he's a knuckle dragger.
[18:35:09] <Cromaglious_> Clinton is a draft dodger as well
[18:35:11] <roycroft> paul wolfawitz just said he might vote for her
[18:35:12] <Roguish> low sloping forehead and all
[18:35:15] <roycroft> um, no she's not
[18:35:24] <roycroft> because there has never been a female draft
[18:35:47] <roycroft> you get a lot of respect and thanks from me, cromaglious_
[18:35:52] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:35:55] <roycroft> not that that means anything
[18:36:04] <XXCoder> I did consider peace crops but never did get around to it lol
[18:36:22] <Roguish> both my parents were military. father a lifer marine office. i've seen a lot.
[18:36:47] <roycroft> i'm one of a small number of people who was never required to register for selective service
[18:36:55] <Cromaglious_> Your Ma wore combat boots? COOL! So did mine! Pa was a Sea Bee
[18:37:08] <roycroft> selective service registration was abolished a few weeks before my 18th birthday
[18:37:20] <Roguish> i was in the last lottery. number picked, but never called up.
[18:37:21] <roycroft> and it was reinstated shortly after my 27th birthday
[18:37:27] <XXCoder> my dad worked at miliary warehouse for 35 years
[18:37:36] <Cromaglious_> We had guys who had to sign up for it in basic training
[18:37:39] <roycroft> i fit a really narrow window where i didn't have to register
[18:37:52] <roycroft> i seriously considered the peace corps
[18:38:01] <XXCoder> heh my dad tried to enter navy service, worked 2 weeks before he got caught and given honorable discarge, he was trying to help fight ww2
[18:38:06] <roycroft> but i wanted to focus on my education at the time
[18:38:09] <Roguish> peace corps is noble.
[18:38:23] <roycroft> i won't say i regret not joining the peace corps
[18:38:35] <roycroft> but if i could change my life i would probably do so
[18:38:38] <XXCoder> my dad was deaf, and had friend tell him questions he will be asked, he could speak fine, being late deafened
[18:38:42] <roycroft> i'm too old now
[18:38:51] <XXCoder> he worked as boat dishwasher
[18:39:07] <Cromaglious_> My pa was part of the crew which installed the nuclear reactor at McMurdo Sound Antartica
[18:40:37] <roycroft> we were in an inter-war period when my father was of military age
[18:41:07] <roycroft> my uncle is younger than my father, though, and joined up and served as an officer in viet nam
[18:41:10] <Cromaglious_> I was a goodwill ambassador more than anything.. I was between the ages of 8 and 10. Folks joined we went to Malaysia 73-75
[18:41:17] <roycroft> because he would otherwise have been drafted
[18:42:15] <Cromaglious_> My dad joined the Navy in '59 to get out of the house
[18:42:37] <Cromaglious_> He was already a Jouneyman Machinist/Mechanic
[18:42:43] <XXCoder> if my dad wasnt deaf he'd have been in long navy service likely
[18:42:49] <XXCoder> and probably never met my mom
[18:43:20] <roycroft> and you might not have been born
[18:43:43] <XXCoder> yeah. im deaf because of mom actually, she and me am genetically deaf, while dad its mengitis
[18:43:44] <roycroft> unless you went back in time and played a chuck berry tune at the enchantment under the sea dance
[18:43:50] <XXCoder> lol
[18:43:57] <Cromaglious_> Mum was a med tech in Ft Belvior, Virginia
[18:44:01] <Cromaglious_> heh
[18:44:19] <Cromaglious_> yeah.. he'll have to hide from Biff though
[18:44:26] <XXCoder> its a fallacy, even if they had sex at correct time, different factors and motions may mean different sperm wins
[18:44:27] <roycroft> biff is running for president
[18:44:31] <roycroft> hard to hide from him now
[18:46:49] <Cromaglious_> hmmm trying to decide if I really need to hook 24v up to the BOB... I don't think so... I need to add some grounds though
[19:42:04] <Cromaglious_> 1st smoke test, no smoke, no nothing...
[19:48:40] <Cromaglious_> PS on the fritz...
[19:49:10] <Cromaglious_> actually it looks like just the regulator
[19:50:38] <Cromaglious_> ahhh fuse...
[21:11:08] <Cromaglious_> anyone play with one of these machines?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HY-3040-5-Axis-CNC-Aluninum-Router-Machine-for-Drilling-Milling-2-YRS-WARRANTY-/351681750593?hash=item51e1dda641:g:2tYAAOSw1S9Wd2SZ
[21:13:07] <XXCoder> interesting, no idea
[21:14:36] <Cromaglious_> the AB table is $400
[21:14:48] <Duc> interesting description about the manual moves then it repeats them
[21:15:08] <SpeedEvil> I would really like to know how much the head moves if you push it with 50kg
[21:15:43] <SpeedEvil> Actually - 1/4 inch collet
[21:15:48] <SpeedEvil> 10kg
[21:16:02] <Cromaglious_> just CNC'n a G0704 I could spend $2200 just on motors (including the servo PS's and all cables.
[21:16:20] <Cromaglious_> it's a ER11? you can get 1.5KW with ER20's
[21:16:59] <Cromaglious_> Better getting a R8 and then you can get a ER40 adapter to a ER8 adapter
[21:19:19] <Cromaglious_> not a bad price.. though they want upwards of $700 for all the ball screwshttp://www.ebay.com/itm/G0704-CNC-Conversion-Kit-Motor-mounts-Couplers-Standoffs-CAD-/291839834327
[21:20:04] <SpeedEvil> They have 1200 feedback, and 1200 items for sale
[21:20:08] <SpeedEvil> that's a bit concerning
[21:21:04] <SpeedEvil> And 17 in the past month from equipment totalling perhaps $60
[21:23:04] <SpeedEvil> And suddenly they list ~$30K of machine tools.
[21:24:09] <SpeedEvil> $100k
[21:24:16] <SpeedEvil> they have three of each
[21:30:22] <Roguish> has anyone actually CNC'd a G0407 ? and does it really work good 'enough'?
[21:41:11] <pink_vampire> i have
[21:41:36] <pink_vampire> and I've just finish a part
[21:41:56] <XXCoder> what is g0407?
[21:42:15] <pink_vampire> g0704
[21:44:48] <pink_vampire> Roguish:
[21:45:01] <XXCoder> oh what is g0704? lol
[21:48:22] <pink_vampire> my machine is the g0704
[21:48:48] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[21:53:29] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i did a clamp for the motor
[21:53:39] <XXCoder> yeah? nice!
[21:53:41] <XXCoder> pics?
[21:53:47] <pink_vampire> like the one you need
[21:53:59] <pink_vampire> but verrrry small
[21:55:18] <pink_vampire> one sec
[22:09:40] <XXCoder> hey BeachBumPete how goes house
[22:10:23] <BeachBumPete> house is good
[22:10:29] <XXCoder> cool
[22:10:37] <BeachBumPete> managed to clean out the whole damn garage today
[22:10:49] <XXCoder> huh?
[22:10:50] <BeachBumPete> had tons of boxes still needing unpacked
[22:10:54] <XXCoder> ahh
[22:11:18] <BeachBumPete> plus there was a bunch of stuff left by the previous owners that was in the attick
[22:11:51] <BeachBumPete> I need that shite gone so I can bring over the machines and I started working on the power panel too
[22:12:52] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: I blame you for my liquor purchase today
[22:12:56] <BeachBumPete> tomorrow going to the storage unit to grab my Tig welder, my bandsaw, the grinders, and whatever else is movable easily
[22:13:04] <tiwake> about 20min ago
[22:13:07] <BeachBumPete> oh yeah how so
[22:13:18] <tiwake> because you bum
[22:13:21] <tiwake> :D
[22:13:41] <BeachBumPete> sorry I don't get it
[22:13:53] <tiwake> actually I blame ponies
[22:14:04] <tiwake> going to watch the new MLP episode and do some drinking :P
[22:14:12] <BeachBumPete> MLP?
[22:15:53] <BeachBumPete> I did setup my workbench table in the shop too today put my portable tools under it
[22:16:26] <BeachBumPete> Now I just need to figure out where I can stuff four large fishing kayaks somewhere other than the garage/shop
[22:16:38] <tiwake> BeachBumPete:
http://mylittlepony.hasbro.com/en-us
[22:17:44] <BeachBumPete> wow and you admit to this? ;)
[22:18:04] <roycroft> you need hermione's travel bag, beachbumpete
[22:18:14] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: its about 3/4 of the reason why I drink :P
[22:18:41] <BeachBumPete> I could use a little magic to stretch my shop space :D
[22:19:12] <tiwake> sounds like you could use some Dr Whooves XD
[22:19:45] <tiwake> BeachBumPete:
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Hooves
[22:20:38] <tiwake> evidently the newest episode had a betty boop reference
[22:21:04] <Tom_itx> BeachBumPete you realize something here...
[22:21:17] <pink_vampire> front,
http://i.imgur.com/v2uFDel.png
[22:21:29] <Tom_itx> once you do finally get your stuff in the garage you're gonna need a new nick
[22:21:33] <pink_vampire> back,
http://i.imgur.com/3Z8lM4Z.png
[22:21:37] <XXCoder> looking
[22:21:46] <XXCoder> nice
[22:22:05] <pink_vampire> clamp screw
http://i.imgur.com/G5rDRcJ.png
[22:22:34] <pink_vampire> on the machine
http://i.imgur.com/J7MMJRS.png
[22:23:31] <pink_vampire> i did the bushing also on the same code
[22:23:47] <BeachBumPete> Tom_itx ?
[22:27:39] <XXCoder> im still waiting for my new nema17 stepper lol
