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[01:25:32] <LeelooMinai> Eveyrone sleeps or is there someone that could comment on my "workpiece enclosure" progress/plan? :)
[01:26:55] <LeelooMinai> I am trying not to make it too convoluted. So far I have this:
http://i.imgur.com/zZkIjkt.png
[01:27:51] <LeelooMinai> So, basically two aluminum angles attached to gantry sides, so I can put two acrylic sheets on top plus "cage" from 1010 extrusions attached to the table.
[01:29:24] <LeelooMinai> This is not 100% protection, but, my thinking is it's a good start and then maybe I can eventually have some idea how to deal with that gap in there, for the spindle.
[01:37:08] <archivist> ok only for thin stuff on the table, think about what are you protecting, access to do work/change etc
[01:38:00] <LeelooMinai> Well, I think access is pretty good - I mean I can just take the top acrylic sheet off and have hinged panels on the sides.
[01:38:40] <LeelooMinai> I cannot make the cage too big, because it will collide with the gantry when moving.
[01:39:10] <archivist> outside the gantry
[01:39:26] <archivist> I run without covers :)
[01:40:03] <LeelooMinai> I want to enclose the workpiece only, so I protect both the room and the CNC itself.
[01:41:08] <LeelooMinai> I researched a bit protections like bellows, etc. but got discouradged - either pricy or tons of work to make custom ones.
[01:43:03] <LeelooMinai> They also seem not to be that flowless - difficult to clean, and can tear after a while.
[01:43:58] <LeelooMinai> I also saw some guys making contraptions from overlapping stainless steel sheets, but that was a bit weird...
[01:48:04] <archivist> the sliding sheets are on many high end machines protecting the slides from grit something you are not doing
[01:48:36] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, as I wrote - I need to solve the problem of that final gap in there.
[01:49:19] <LeelooMinai> At least it's small and does not move in the Y axis.
[01:49:47] <LeelooMinai> I need to account for spindle X and Z movement though.
[01:49:52] <LeelooMinai> Somehow...
[01:53:18] <archivist> the sheets have to slide
[01:54:19] <LeelooMinai> Well, yes...
[01:55:04] <LeelooMinai> I guess I could do the overlapping sheets for the X movement, but for Z, I don't know, concentric tubes or something?
[01:59:48] <archivist> this is why an encompassing box is used usually, none of that and no added friction
[02:00:16] <LeelooMinai> Encompassing the whole machine?
[02:00:22] <archivist> yes
[02:00:34] <LeelooMinai> Well, that does not solve protecting the parts.
[02:02:17] <archivist> yours does not either. you see sliding gaskets for rail/slide protection on some, steel sheets or bellows on others
[02:03:36] <archivist> choices and compromises
[03:00:05] <gonzo__> depending on the size, material and speed that the chips come off, could a vacuum system be enough to get the spoil away?
[03:02:03] <gonzo__> have done that on plastics and light ali work
[03:59:23] <pink_vampire> hi
[05:29:34] <jthornton> morning
[05:30:08] <XXCoder> hey
[05:56:53] <Deejay> moin
[06:09:17] <pink_vampire> i have an issue with wasting metal
[06:10:11] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[06:10:26] <XXCoder> yeah? what problem>
[06:10:46] <archivist> impossible to not waste some
[06:12:18] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2nfH6te.png
[06:12:20] <XXCoder> heh I have seen parts that weight 5% of orginial block
[06:12:20] <archivist> move to casting and forging to reduce metal use
[06:12:57] <pink_vampire> i need to cut all of those parts from 8mm aluminum sheet
[06:13:18] <XXCoder> your layout isnt bad
[06:13:27] <XXCoder> uses quite large percent of area
[06:13:34] <XXCoder> I have seen far worse
[06:14:05] <pink_vampire> the l shape slotted part take soo much space
[06:14:35] <XXCoder> you may be able to move things to use inside gaps
[06:14:44] <XXCoder> leaving arm off to side
[06:15:01] <XXCoder> you then cut sheet and you will have smaller but still usable rectange metal
[06:15:49] <XXCoder> of course it assumes you have saw to cut into parts
[06:16:57] <pink_vampire> i'm going to jigsaw the parts
[06:17:09] <pink_vampire> and cut each one
[06:17:54] <XXCoder> heh I doubt I ever will but I do want to cast alum stuff
[06:21:44] <pink_vampire> i have a plastic bottle full of chips
[06:24:57] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/r9nLavL.png
[06:25:17] <pink_vampire> maybe this is a better layout
[06:25:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:26:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: archivist
[06:26:12] <pink_vampire> i need a scroll saw
[06:26:39] <archivist> nah, mill out the outline
[06:27:41] <pink_vampire> i have 1/32 end mill but it's about 2.5mm length
[06:28:27] <pink_vampire> and the 1/16 is not much better.. so the only other tool is going to be a 1/8"
[06:30:09] <pink_vampire> i need a wire edm :)
[06:30:38] <gregcnc> metal is cheap compared to everything else involved in making a part
[06:32:13] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: you mean to the coffee that you drink while the machine cut the part?
[06:32:43] <gregcnc> depends on the coffee
[06:33:27] <archivist> must be "designer" coffee
[06:33:37] <XXCoder> theres coffee that gets shit out of mammal
[06:33:42] <XXCoder> and are insanely expensive
[06:34:02] <XXCoder> http://www.most-expensive.coffee/
[06:34:08] <pink_vampire> but i'm the designer
[06:34:22] <XXCoder> $100 to $600 pound
[06:34:33] <pink_vampire> btw - esm.. the parts for the edm is also from the same plate
[06:34:36] <pink_vampire> so...
[06:35:29] <XXCoder> night, dream of crap coffee lol
[06:35:55] <pink_vampire> i need a bushing from 8mm to 3/16 and i dont have a lathe
[06:36:51] <archivist> you can use a mill as a lathe
[06:37:41] <gregcnc> you have a vertical lathe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_YmP2_pwII
[06:38:22] <pink_vampire> how do i drill???
[06:38:33] <gregcnc> awesome i bought fake SKF bearings on Ebay
[06:38:36] <archivist> I turn my gear cutter arbours on the mill
[06:39:09] <pink_vampire> i have better idea V block
[06:39:43] <archivist> you will find people holding the drill in a block on the table
[06:40:48] <pink_vampire> if i need to press fit a ball bearing how do i calculate the diameter for the hole?
[06:40:55] <archivist> set of tools like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrlY8qEmO3I
[06:41:58] <pink_vampire> that is cool!!
[06:42:15] <gregcnc> iso limits and fits
[06:44:22] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSTYXB7JXw
[07:13:20] <jthornton> sun is up lets ride
[07:52:35] <jdh> do you strava?
[08:04:35] <_methods> people seem to like that strava
[08:04:38] <_methods> even for running now
[08:04:51] <_methods> i haven't tried it
[08:22:40] <gregcnc> so the guy I bought fake SKF bearings from went as far as calling me this morning to let me know he sent a refund
[08:23:17] <SpeedEvil> yay
[08:23:30] <SpeedEvil> $, $$ or $$$?
[08:23:33] <gregcnc> he talked about various practices in the bearing industry
[08:24:14] <SpeedEvil> 'They see me rolling, they hating'.
[08:24:49] <gregcnc> finally he asked if i gave his company name to SKF when I contacted them, he got fairly nervous when I said i did but he was a courteous old guy
[08:24:58] <gregcnc> all over 15$ of bearings, lol
[08:26:04] <archivist> good bearings can be cheap why do they bother faking them!
[08:26:20] <gregcnc> because you get more with name brands on them
[08:26:42] <skunkworks> August 25th will mark the 25th anniversary of the Linux kernel
[08:26:42] <skunkworks> announcement
[08:26:51] <gregcnc> like twice no name china bearing
[08:27:41] <gregcnc> every piece you sell is a piece the other guy didn't
[08:31:03] <gregcnc> curious handwheel
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJbwj4vjHLY/
[08:31:58] <archivist> instrgram, instant white screen
[08:33:33] <archivist> hehe page source only checks IE versions, what idiots
[08:33:41] <gregcnc> these app based company don't seem to care what it looks like on PC
[08:34:55] <gregcnc> you can't even post from PC on instagram or I'm not young enough to figure it out
[08:39:46] <archivist> some are getting completely clueless web designers
[08:41:03] <_methods> i saw some article the other day where one of these clowns was crying about email and how email needs to end
[08:42:10] <_methods> got a kick out of that one
[08:45:32] <_methods> i'm sure one day email will die, but typically you need a better medium of communication to replace it first
[08:45:42] <cradek> facebook!
[08:45:47] <_methods> snapchat lol
[08:46:10] <_methods> all company communications from now on will occur on vine plz
[08:46:21] <gregcnc> lol
[08:46:21] <cradek> whatever it is, it must be centrally-controlled so it can have ads and be efficiently snooped
[08:47:35] <_methods> hehe
[09:06:41] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/142094528001 is this some kind of early cnc retrofit?
[09:17:42] <archivist> should clean up and be a reasonably easy retrofit, have you collected it yet :)
[09:19:31] <miss0r> Hey guys. I just recieved my first granite surface plate with the delivery guy. How do I treat it? Theres a mit of fine granite dust on the base. How do I clean it initially?
[09:21:35] <archivist> I imagine a wipe with a soft cloth will be ok, I dont think the one I had came with instructions either
[09:23:53] <miss0r> alright. Got it pretty cheap. its a din876/0 plate measuering 450x300x75mm for ~250USD brand new
[09:25:20] <archivist> we were watching a granite plate resurfacing vid in here a couple of weeks ago
[09:30:03] <miss0r> I feel like wiping down the surface with some cleaning agent. should I just go ahead and shoote myself? or is this a good idea?
[09:31:03] <archivist> some cleaning agents leave a residue, alcoholl being a good example as it is used as a marking agent in scraping :)
[09:31:40] <miss0r> but the granite itself is not affected by cleaning agents?
[09:31:58] <miss0r> in other words: If I do clean it, and it leaves residue, I can just try something else?
[09:32:12] <miss0r> not fearing for the integrity of the granite?
[09:32:17] <archivist> well, water dissolves almost anything
[09:32:35] <miss0r> heh... water - the only thing I don't have in my shop :)
[09:32:47] <archivist> but here in percentage terms, bugger all
[09:32:50] <cradek> I've seen special cleaner for surface plates - it looks and smells like windex
[09:35:06] <miss0r> yeah. amonnia should do the trick, i'm told
[09:35:17] <miss0r> but for the time being, I did pretty good with the water I just fetched :)
[09:39:45] <archivist> I would not use ammonia, that and mercury can speed up stress corrosion cracking in some materials
[09:40:14] <miss0r> Then I better not. I will just use something simular to windex then :)
[09:41:40] <archivist> I have had a couple of bits of brass fall apart with stress corrosion cracking
[09:42:02] <gregcnc> doesn't the ammonia evaporte off the plate fairly quickly?
[09:42:18] <archivist> also known as age cracking, caustic imbrittlement
[09:44:26] <miss0r> What bugs me a little bit: I have a measuering certificate on this surface plate, with a serial number and everything. but theres not serial numer on the plate itself.. it theres nothing to tie the certificate to the plate
[09:45:18] <miss0r> Time to get out my punch letter set... (jk)
[09:46:04] <archivist> underneath?
[09:46:38] <miss0r> I can't find it
[09:48:00] <miss0r> I just had it flipped over again. theres nothing
[09:49:35] <archivist> on mine it is on the side
[09:51:04] <miss0r> sucks. They are closed for the day. I will have to call them tomorrow and ask them if that is their normal practice
[09:51:29] <miss0r> I feel that it is sub standard
[09:51:36] <archivist> yup
[09:52:51] <miss0r> and it is not like it is some chinese ebay shop I got it from. I bought it locally. and it is diesella brand(which is not the worst junk, imo)
[09:56:19] <miss0r> bleh... I have to get the house vacuumed before guests get here for dinner. see you around
[09:57:35] * archivist does not understand :)
[10:05:29] <gregcnc> eh machine aren't always friendly, at least they come with manuals
[10:38:09] <Spida> speaking of granite surfaces: if I was to glue something on a graanite surface plate for justness, what is the best way to ensure that no glue remains on the plate?
[10:39:09] <mutilator> chisel it off
[10:40:01] <CaptHindsight> Spida: water soluble glue
[10:40:07] <CaptHindsight> post cure
[10:40:15] <cradek> acetone dissolves super glue
[10:40:30] <archivist> if it can get in the gap
[10:40:35] <cradek> I don't know what justness is
[10:41:53] <archivist> but gluing something to a surface plate does not seem a good idea
[10:42:15] <cradek> yes what are you trying to do?
[10:51:13] <_methods> sounds like a very unjust thing to do to a surface plate
[11:05:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/reversible-glue-de-bonds-at-the-touch-of-a-button/1015291.article
[11:24:57] <SpeedEvil> 'invented'
[11:25:01] <SpeedEvil> https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf%3Bjsessionid=7CD46C90F8F67968A7E454BE86E1FB41.wapp1?docId=WO1992009503&recNum=277&office=&queryString=&prevFilter=%2526fq%253DOF%253AMX%2526fq%253DPAF_M%253A%2522MINNESOTA+MINING+AND+MANUFACTURING+COMPANY%2522&sortOption=Relevance&maxRec=7383
[11:25:14] <SpeedEvil> 'The hot melt adhesive (14) may be of the type which is activatable without microwave susceptors, i.e., of a water retaining type, or may be of a type including microwave susceptors
[11:25:18] <SpeedEvil> 1992
[11:26:22] <CaptHindsight> prepare popcorn and adhesive all at the same time!
[11:30:19] <SpeedEvil> Today, I prepared explosive runes.
[12:45:30] <plpower> hi
[12:45:56] <plpower> CaptHindsight: ?
[12:51:39] <_methods> SpeedEvil: are you trying to tell us you're a terrorist?
[12:52:41] <_methods> destroying historical artifacts is a war crime now
[12:54:59] <skunkworks> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,27286.msg230188.html#msg230188
[12:56:43] <plpower> CaptHindsight: ? on max conversion
[13:05:14] <eeriegeek> Apparently _methods is not a D&D fan
[13:05:39] <_methods> heheh
[13:06:46] <_methods> i vaguely remember that spell
[13:07:24] <eeriegeek> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0317.html
[13:08:31] <eeriegeek> see also:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0092.html
[13:09:23] <CaptHindsight> plpower: no time
[13:09:45] <plpower> oh im alo running in time limits as school starts on monday
[13:10:16] <gregcnc> i quit that school stuff years ago
[13:11:22] <plpower> gregcnc: im on the last 40years
[13:11:41] <gregcnc> oh the end is in sight
[13:15:05] <plpower> 2years to go
[13:15:17] <plpower> then im old and useless
[13:15:26] <plpower> same as 10.04 now
[13:16:12] <gregcnc> surely retirement has some benefits?
[14:15:32] <MacGalempsy> Good afternoon.
[14:19:47] <MacGalempsy> anyone making chips?
[14:22:48] <gregcnc> if tortilla chips and guacamole for lunch counts...
[14:37:27] <_methods> sign me up
[15:06:11] <miss0r> I realy should be milling a cover for my grinding insert on the lathe, but I find myself being lazy
[15:06:14] <miss0r> *sigh*
[15:07:25] <miss0r> solution: go to bed and look at it in the morning.
[15:07:28] <miss0r> see you around
[15:13:37] <MacGalempsy> so, I mocked up the aluminum block i want to cut, touched off, did a tool touchoff, started the gcode, and it made it all the way to a line where z -0.295 and a linear error comes up that states that joint 2 would move beyond the negative limit. any advice?
[15:14:15] <MacGalempsy> i just touched off x and y, then tool touchoffed for z
[15:22:18] <MacGalempsy> think I just got it figured out.
[15:22:27] <MacGalempsy> forgot to change H0 to H1
[15:38:38] <MacGalempsy> so it gets to the first position, spinning, and just waits. It feels like another HAL issue
[15:42:21] <Tom_itx> that's why i put the H word in the gcode for each tool
[15:43:41] <_methods> yep
[15:43:48] <_methods> never leaving anything modal to chance
[15:44:52] <Tom_itx> don't forget the F word too
[15:44:53] <Tom_itx> :D
[15:45:04] <Tom_itx> without F it will go nowhere
[15:48:28] <Tom_itx> sounds like you better cut a block of wood first
[16:11:03] <MacGalempsy> awesome got it
[16:11:19] <MacGalempsy> it was that stuid spindle at speed routine. was missing the near.0.scale
[16:11:34] <MacGalempsy> but I just got it to cut some major air
[16:15:01] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: trust me, I have been using several f words
[16:20:54] <Tom_itx> hah
[16:25:51] <Deejay> gn8
[16:49:27] <MacGalempsy> near crash reported... good old estop saved the day.
[17:11:04] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: you around?
[17:13:05] <MacGalempsy> anyone around? got a touch off process question
[17:13:49] <gregcnc> just ask, if someone can answer they will
[17:16:40] <MacGalempsy> ok. so I touched off the x and y with the probe to zero out the machine on thhose axes. then I came over with the tool and touched off the top of the work piece with the tool and touched off. Pulled out the bit and left the work piece in the vise. hit run and the machine just about crashed
[17:17:04] <MacGalempsy> I use a Z length in the tool table with a negative Z value. is this correct?
[17:24:00] <JT-Shop> here's how I touch off... I should write that down oh wait I did let me get the link
[17:24:30] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html
[17:25:02] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: until your sure of your touch off routine always do a chicken check to see that the DRO reads correctly
[17:28:01] <MacGalempsy> so I get the X and y pretty easily. I am just curious why it plunnged so deep
[17:28:49] <MacGalempsy> when I returned it to where the zero position was supposed to be set, the DRO read 4.xxx
[17:30:16] <gregcnc> do you have quick change tooling?
[17:30:49] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy did you set zero with a different tool?
[17:31:01] <Tom_itx> the 4.xxx may be the offset difference between the tools
[17:35:01] <MacGalempsy> do you guys use positive or negative Z values in the tool table?
[17:37:05] <Tom_itx> neg
[17:37:54] <Tom_itx> but it would be relative to which tool you set Z zero fixture offset from i think
[17:38:13] <gregcnc> did you call G43 Hxx for that tool prior to touching off?
[17:38:30] <Tom_itx> that would do it too
[17:38:49] <MacGalempsy> i measured the tool length on the bench
[17:39:11] <gregcnc> while that seems logical it's not relevant
[17:39:21] <Tom_itx> yeah that's probably not a good idea
[17:39:28] <JT-Shop> I don't touch the tool table
[17:39:50] <Tom_itx> the offset is a measure from machine z zero to where your tool reaches fixture offset z zero
[17:40:02] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
[17:40:03] <Tom_itx> that number is entered in the table
[17:40:09] <JT-Shop> tool touch off
[17:40:22] <gregcnc> right I've never used length offsets in linuxcnc siply because it has no value when you don't have a tool probe or quick change tooling
[17:41:13] <Tom_itx> true, if you have to change tools manually you will touch off each one calling the G43 Hx for each one prior
[17:41:15] <MacGalempsy> so run the mill to the work surface and just hit tool touchoff
[17:41:38] <JT-Shop> there are two touchoff buttons now
[17:41:42] <Tom_itx> you will find ppl do it different ways
[17:42:14] <JT-Shop> like greg said if you don't have repeatable tooling just touch off the G54 Z
[17:42:23] <JT-Shop> just like you did for X and Y
[17:43:26] <MacGalempsy> ok, I will try that until the ATC is addressed
[17:43:36] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: are you using Axis and 2.7.x?
[17:47:42] <JT-Shop> how's it over your way Tom_itx ?
[17:49:30] <TurBoss> hello!
[17:49:45] <Tom_itx> windy
[17:50:03] <Tom_itx> warmed up this afternoon so a good chance of bad weather this evening
[17:51:08] <JT-Shop> not looking too bad over this way for a few days or more
[17:51:17] <JT-Shop> cannon is in it's new home lol
[17:51:28] <Tom_itx> aimed out the front door?
[17:52:26] <JT-Shop> aimed at the front door lol
[17:52:42] <MacGalempsy> wow!
[17:52:46] <MacGalempsy> what action!
[17:53:23] <MacGalempsy> so I got it all touched off right. Then ran the program and the first cut ripped the workpiece out of the vise
[17:53:40] <JT-Shop> cut a bit heavy?
[17:53:53] <MacGalempsy> it was the default from fusion 360.
[17:54:10] <MacGalempsy> so, i'll need to cut that down a little
[17:54:19] <MacGalempsy> or tighten up the vise even more
[17:54:31] <JT-Shop> never accept a default anything, know what you want
[17:55:01] <zeeshan|3> Tom_itx: sorry passed out last night
[17:55:02] <zeeshan|3> :P
[17:55:07] <Tom_itx> yeah what he said ^^
[17:55:33] <zeeshan|3> i figured out how to measure a really long tuber
[17:55:37] <zeeshan|3> within 0.001"
[17:55:42] <zeeshan|3> like a 48" long tube
[17:56:09] <zeeshan|3> :D
[17:56:09] <JT-Shop> lots of 123 blocks?
[17:56:13] <zeeshan|3> kind of
[17:56:28] <zeeshan|3> you use a 123 block clamped to the sq. tube
[17:56:36] <zeeshan|3> on a granite plate or mill table
[17:56:37] <MacGalempsy> it was a .2" cut
[17:56:48] <andypugh> A really long tuber? Like an enormous yam?
[17:56:56] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:56:57] <zeeshan|3> then you mount a 3" travel indicator or whatever you have
[17:57:12] <zeeshan|3> move 123 block towards indicator. clamp, then reindex the indicator
[17:57:21] <zeeshan|3> takes a while, but can be done cheaply
[17:57:24] <MacGalempsy> does that .2 seem extreem for HSS cutter on steel?
[17:57:29] <MacGalempsy> oops I mean aluminum
[17:57:36] <Tom_itx> deep?
[17:57:38] <Tom_itx> no
[17:57:57] <zeeshan|3> .2 in what direction
[17:58:05] <Tom_itx> depends on the tool too
[17:58:05] <zeeshan|3> theres 2 depth of cuts in milling
[17:58:06] <JT-Shop> depends on the diameter and the holding power
[17:58:07] <MacGalempsy> that is the width, depth is .4"
[17:58:22] <zeeshan|3> thats a lot of cutting force :P
[17:58:23] <Tom_itx> what tool?
[17:58:28] <zeeshan|3> need a proper vise!
[17:58:31] <andypugh> zeeshan|3: That’s 16 measurements at +/- 0.001”, so probably good for +/- 0.005 really.
[17:58:35] <MacGalempsy> 4 flute hss endmill
[17:58:48] <Tom_itx> don't use 4 flute in aluminum
[17:58:50] <zeeshan|3> andypugh: got me :{
[17:58:51] <MacGalempsy> at like 3659 rpm
[17:58:55] * JT-Shop uses 2 flute for aluminum
[17:59:11] <Tom_itx> you'll plug it up nothing flat
[17:59:14] <zeeshan|3> you can use 4 flute
[17:59:21] <zeeshan|3> it jsut has to be a big ass cutter
[17:59:52] <zeeshan|3> http://i.imgur.com/tVi5YsC.jpg
[17:59:53] <zeeshan|3> tom
[17:59:55] <zeeshan|3> does it work?
[17:59:57] <JT-Shop> for a .25 diameter for my carbide tooling I use 0.003 feed per tooth
[17:59:58] <MacGalempsy> crap, well most of the cutters are 4 flute. however, I have 1 2 flute
[18:00:08] <andypugh> zeeshan|3:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331818091941
[18:00:14] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:00:22] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: do you have my milling gcode generator with calculators?
[18:01:04] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: not sure what that is. I took the class, and now using fusion 360 with the EMC post processor
[18:01:04] <zeeshan|3> rofl andypugh
[18:01:08] <zeeshan|3> thats a monster
[18:01:09] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3, so how did you bend all the parts?
[18:01:15] <zeeshan|3> i didnt
[18:01:17] <zeeshan|3> i used mandrel bends
[18:01:22] <zeeshan|3> and cut what i needed from them
[18:01:27] <zeeshan|3> then hammered
[18:01:35] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/
[18:02:01] <JT-Shop> I need to make a table saw mover thingy
[18:02:23] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: download the latest one and go to the calculators page
[18:02:47] <andypugh> zeeshan|3: Even more useful:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121856932298
[18:02:56] <zeeshan|3> too much $!
[18:03:14] <JT-Shop> just pay by check
[18:03:43] <zeeshan|3> you know i do have a 48" long glass scale
[18:03:47] <Tom_itx> you could almost set your toe with that
[18:03:51] <zeeshan|3> that i could rig up as a measurement tool!
[18:04:46] <zeeshan|3> andypugh: so i got a new job
[18:04:50] <zeeshan|3> its intense
[18:05:12] <andypugh> Doing what?
[18:05:21] <zeeshan|3> im in retrofit/spare parts
[18:05:31] <zeeshan|3> the company makes gypsum plants all over the world
[18:05:37] <andypugh> Had enough of research?
[18:05:47] <zeeshan|3> research has been part time always
[18:05:55] <zeeshan|3> i was mind boggled the other night
[18:06:04] <zeeshan|3> a section of the plant uses 16 200hp motors
[18:06:07] <zeeshan|3> just for fans
[18:06:08] <zeeshan|3> LOL
[18:06:18] <andypugh> That’s very fanny
[18:06:21] <zeeshan|3> 16 or 12
[18:06:25] <zeeshan|3> definitely more than 10
[18:06:27] <SpeedEvil> A lot of work goes into getting the last % efficiency for that size
[18:06:41] <Tom_itx> sounds like a wind tunnel
[18:06:46] <zeeshan|3> here i am thinking my 20hp spindle was powerful
[18:06:56] <zeeshan|3> er 10hp
[18:07:03] <Tom_itx> i bet they start them staggered
[18:07:33] <zeeshan|3> its the first time im using cad
[18:07:37] <zeeshan|3> where i dont have a good sense of size
[18:07:46] <zeeshan|3> cause everything is in 100s of feet
[18:08:25] <andypugh> I wonder what this would be for?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/YB3-series-underground-three-phase-ac_982315995.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.64J2Zq&s=p
[18:08:51] <zeeshan|3> prolly a fan :D
[18:08:55] <Tom_itx> mining?
[18:09:19] <andypugh> Ah, yes, explosion proof.
[18:09:25] <JT-Shop> mining
[18:09:26] <andypugh> Not “to be buried in the ground”
[18:09:39] <zeeshan|3> its really not mining
[18:09:43] <zeeshan|3> id consider it processing
[18:09:50] <zeeshan|3> there is some milling that happens in the beginning
[18:10:03] <andypugh> zeeshan|3: We are talking about the motor I found
[18:10:07] <zeeshan|3> oh
[18:10:27] <zeeshan|3> heres the even funnier part.
[18:10:37] <zeeshan|3> they use vfds
[18:10:49] <JT-Shop> yea the underground savages would push the Irish baby buggy with the rock
[18:10:57] <andypugh> A lot of gypsum used to come from flue-gas desulphurisation. Does it still?
[18:11:05] <JT-Shop> unless he was a crackler
[18:11:23] <zeeshan|3> not sure
[18:11:29] <zeeshan|3> i know it a byproduct
[18:11:33] <zeeshan|3> *it is
[18:12:01] <zeeshan|3> i hope i can learn all the machines
[18:12:14] <zeeshan|3> right now i only have a macro level understanding
[18:12:18] <Tom_itx> don't get your finger in a fan blade
[18:12:34] <Tom_itx> i don't think it would stop
[18:12:38] * JT-Shop goes to start the wings
[18:12:40] <zeeshan|3> lol
[18:13:10] <zeeshan|3> andypugh: have you made your own exhaust gaskets before?
[18:13:14] <Tom_itx> your flange looks good
[18:13:21] <zeeshan|3> TY!
[18:13:26] <zeeshan|3> i got the whole exhaust done
[18:13:27] <zeeshan|3> its all welded
[18:13:36] <zeeshan|3> i just need a gasket now between the oval flange
[18:13:37] <Tom_itx> i still think you should have printed it :D
[18:13:46] <andypugh> There is a single motor operating a blower at work. I would like to see what the rating is, it’s about 4’ diameter and is used to make all the air in the room travel at 100mph to the other side of the room.
[18:14:08] <Tom_itx> andypugh, not a wind tunnel?
[18:14:09] <zeeshan|3> likely 150-250hp range
[18:14:11] <andypugh> zeeshan|3: I have, on occasion,yes.
[18:14:17] <zeeshan|3> andypugh: what material do you use?
[18:14:20] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Sort-of.
[18:14:24] <zeeshan|3> ive been trying to find 0.021" copper sheet
[18:14:29] <zeeshan|3> but its very hard to get in low quantity here
[18:14:31] <Tom_itx> i think i saw a pic of what you're describing
[18:14:39] <Tom_itx> a 'weather chamber' ?
[18:14:42] <andypugh> It’s a climatic chamber, so it does temperature and altitude as well as wind speed.
[18:14:56] <zeeshan|3> wow
[18:15:02] <Tom_itx> yeah you showed us that once
[18:17:14] <andypugh> zeeshan|3:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exhaust-Gasket-Material-Universal-Make-Your-Own-Full-Sheet-Metal-Gasket-Material-/151865676445?hash=item235be6529d:g:IOUAAOxy3zNSlPSK
[18:17:20] <Tom_itx> i've often wondered what they use to drive the wind tunnel fan we have here at the uni
[18:18:19] <zeeshan|3> doesnt that stuff blow out
[18:18:20] <zeeshan|3> on turbos
[18:18:26] <zeeshan|3> thats the graphite stuff right?
[18:18:33] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METAL-EXHAUST-GASKET-MATERIAL-TURBO-CONVERSIONS/322081258506?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38540%26meid%3D023db493ba584badb60041f40b1e4190%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D151865676445
[18:18:56] <andypugh> I would hope not, seeing as they say “turbo conversions”
[18:19:15] <Tom_itx> metal coated asbestos?
[18:19:30] <Tom_itx> or solid metal?
[18:19:34] <zeeshan|3> nahh
[18:19:37] <zeeshan|3> its perforated metal
[18:19:51] <zeeshan|3> and its got graphite between them two perforated metal
[18:19:52] <Tom_itx> i see after i zoomed over it
[18:21:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.niar.wichita.edu/researchlabs/ad_overview.asp
[18:21:16] <zeeshan|3> i dunno if i should go with copper or this material
[18:21:17] <Tom_itx> it's small but it's been there for years
[18:21:21] <zeeshan|3> this material is easier to source
[18:21:23] <Tom_itx> copper
[18:22:14] <Tom_itx> Main Fan Power Rating: 2,500 HP
[18:22:18] <zeeshan|3> wow
[18:22:20] <zeeshan|3> haha
[18:22:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.niar.wichita.edu/researchlabs/ad_specs.asp
[18:24:30] <Tom_itx> they've got a couple other smaller ones for supersonic
[18:24:57] <MacGalempsy> thanks for all the help guys. catch yall next time.
[18:25:04] <Tom_itx> later
[18:25:19] <zeeshan|3> pics of massive climatic chamber?
[18:25:20] <zeeshan|3> google fail
[18:26:30] <andypugh> He is a sycophantic video about our test lab. Apparently -40C to +55C, 3000m altitude 100% humidity and 220kp[h wind speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MxVxKm9FLs
[18:30:32] <zeeshan|3> andypugh: that is in the building you work at?!?
[18:30:41] <andypugh> Yes
[18:30:56] <zeeshan|3> wow!
[18:30:59] <Tom_itx> and he doesn't have a car :)
[18:31:03] <zeeshan|3> lol
[18:31:11] <andypugh> And now that I am doing cold start and idle, that lab is where I will mainly be working.
[18:31:19] <zeeshan|3> not to sound mean
[18:31:22] <zeeshan|3> but with all this technology
[18:31:26] <zeeshan|3> how are fords still so unreliable?
[18:31:42] <Tom_itx> you know, i think they're getting a bit better in some ways
[18:31:48] <andypugh> It’s all the technology. To much to go wrong.
[18:31:57] <zeeshan|3> how come toyota doesnt go wrong
[18:32:05] <Tom_itx> or everything else is getting worse
[18:32:36] <andypugh> I have no opinion on how reliable cars are. All the ones I drive break frequently, but that’s why I am driving them.
[18:32:38] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3 i drove one the other day and wasn't overly impressed really
[18:33:10] <alex4nder> zeeshan|3: tell that to the 'sudden unintended acceleration' victims
[18:33:17] <alex4nder> plenty of toyota shit goes wrong
[18:33:25] <Tom_itx> i think things are designed to fail nowdays
[18:33:56] <SpeedEvil> $
[18:34:04] <andypugh> I have a feeling that many unintended accelerations are actually unintended pressing of the “faster” pedal.
[18:34:07] <zeeshan|3> you would not be correct :P
[18:34:24] <alex4nder> andypugh: you should read the contractor analysis of the toyota firmware
[18:34:27] <alex4nder> you'd have a different opinion
[18:34:34] <alex4nder> also the stuff that came out of NASA was pretty good
[18:34:59] <andypugh> alex4nder: I said “many”
[18:35:20] <andypugh> And I was not talking about Toyota specifically.
[18:35:24] <SpeedEvil> the fact that uncommanded accelleration can occur in a given vehicle does not mean any unintended accelleration was uncommanded
[18:35:38] <alex4nder> andypugh: this is a specific problem though.. not generally "driver doesn't know how to drive"
[18:35:48] <alex4nder> apples / oranges
[18:35:53] <SpeedEvil> I do on a related note wonder how much logging Tesla does
[19:53:07] <Frank_17> anyone ever happened to suffer the death of a motherboard while machine running? what could possibly happen?
[20:04:42] <alex4nder> lots of stuff. is it the motherboard or the power supply?
[20:05:23] <skunkworks> depends. If there is a charge pump setup - and the system is setup conventional - it should estop
[20:26:29] <gregcnc> zeeshan|3 that worked out nice, cut up some elbows?
[20:35:17] <CP-KG7AMV> No Motovation today.
[20:54:15] <Simonious> I really thought if I was using a v-cutter and I put the depth at -1000000 it would just plunge until the tool diameter matched up with the hole diameter, but.. that doesn't seem to be working today.
[21:07:09] <jdh> I need to replace a bronze axial bushing with something non-conductive. Any suggestions?
[21:22:37] <CaptHindsight> polymer bearing
[21:23:11] <CaptHindsight> ceramic bearing
[21:27:03] <SpeedEvil> air bearing
[21:27:28] <LeelooMinai> Superconductive levitation
[21:27:29] <SpeedEvil> oil impregnated wood
[21:33:38] <jdh> it's about 5.25" ID, bushing is 0.12" thick
[21:34:30] <jdh> suggestions for polymer? ceramic sounds abraisive
[21:34:45] <Tom_itx> they have ceramic bearings
[21:35:52] <zeeshan|3> skf makes a shit load
[21:36:04] <zeeshan|3> so does isb
[21:36:34] <jdh> it's just a big ring, pinned to the inner part
[21:37:15] <zeeshan|3> why not replace it with teflon bushing
[21:38:05] <jdh> it isn't great for longevity
[21:38:21] <jdh> but, would be great for the bearing surface
[21:39:27] <Tom_itx> or delron
[21:39:46] <Tom_itx> i dunno how good that is as a bearing but a little higher temp
[21:39:57] <jdh> it's good
[21:40:25] <Tom_itx> finding 5.5" round teflon etc may be a trick
[21:40:38] <jdh> could be cut from sheet
[21:40:43] <Tom_itx> how wide?
[21:40:52] <jdh> maybe .75"
[21:40:57] <Tom_itx> $$$
[21:41:01] <Tom_itx> but yeah
[21:41:15] <jdh> maybe .5"
[21:41:20] <zeeshan|3> yea id waterjet that baby
[21:41:26] <Tom_itx> what's that for?
[21:41:36] <jdh> unsupported end of an internal collet closer
[21:41:46] <jdh> other end ride on two o-rings
[21:42:46] <LeelooMinai> I am continuing brainstorming my enclosure for workpieces. Do you think a vaccum tube-like duct would work in this place (so it compresses when the spindle moves up/down)?
http://i.imgur.com/MhcjwUM.png
[21:43:34] <LeelooMinai> I was thinking some kind of duct-like thing, but not sure if those would last...
[21:43:58] <jdh> round bellows
[21:44:24] <LeelooMinai> I mean something that I can buy/make cheaply/easily./
[21:44:49] <LeelooMinai> I looked at making bellows, and doesn't seem like easy thing to do.
[21:45:49] <LeelooMinai> I will also need something for the rectangular spaces left on the side.
[21:46:13] <LeelooMinai> Thought about sliding stainless steel sheets, but do not really have tools to make nice slots in those, etc.
[21:55:14] <LeelooMinai> Wonder if this would work, or it's a bad idea:
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.flexible-aluminum-duct-4-inch-8-foot.1000502343.html
[21:55:23] <LeelooMinai> Probably would get tired and break...
[21:56:33] <LeelooMinai> But there's also vinyl kind like that.
[21:59:32] <Tom_itx> that wouldn't work
[21:59:37] <Tom_itx> the aluminum one at least
[21:59:56] <LeelooMinai> Right
[22:00:28] <Tom_itx> the plastic one would be too thin to last very long
[22:01:29] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I could adapt something automotive - like, I don't know, some kind of rubber boot.
[22:02:05] <Tom_itx> nascar brake ducts
[22:02:38] <Tom_itx> https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3621&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=3621&gclid=CPfHwYiC2c4CFQYyaQod37EN8A
[22:03:13] <LeelooMinai> I knew those will be expensive when I read NASCAR:)
[22:03:30] <Tom_itx> ok, NASA
[22:05:49] <Tom_itx> why do you want a tube there anyway?
[22:06:37] <Tom_itx> and what cad is that?
[22:06:45] <LeelooMinai> Well, can be square, but thought tube could be easier to adapt from something.
[22:07:12] <Tom_itx> just evacuate the chips and you won't need a cover
[22:08:07] <LeelooMinai> I don't want the chips flying out of the box into the room
[22:08:33] <Tom_itx> they will anyway
[22:09:05] <LeelooMinai> Well, if the box is enclosed, thay will not...
[22:10:30] <LeelooMinai> This looks interesting:
http://www.ecvv.com/product/2914713.html
[22:11:00] <LeelooMinai> PVC - not sure if it's resistant to frequent bending
[22:11:00] <Tom_itx> utilities use those for fresh air vents
[22:15:02] <zeeshan|3> fusion
[22:15:07] <toastydeath> anyone in here have involvement with a wireless isp?
[22:15:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3 how do you know?
[22:16:08] <zeeshan|3> noob interface
[22:16:19] <Tom_itx> fusion 360?
[22:16:31] <zeeshan|3> Tom_itx: check out some of the factory pics from my work place!
[22:16:32] <zeeshan|3> yea
[22:16:49] <Tom_itx> you showed us that one big machine iirc
[22:16:53] <Tom_itx> before you got the job
[22:16:58] <zeeshan|3> http://www.gyptech.se/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Image9-800x450.jpg
[22:16:58] <zeeshan|3> :D
[22:17:02] <zeeshan|3> thats the dryer
[22:17:07] <zeeshan|3> at least i know what it is now
[22:17:16] <Tom_itx> yeah that one
[22:17:21] <zeeshan|3> im pretty sure ive seen that as one of the inventor splash screens
[22:18:11] <zeeshan|3> http://www.gypsumtechnologies.com/Assets/InfoCategoryImages/CompletePlant.jpg
[22:18:12] <zeeshan|3> !
[22:18:13] <Tom_itx> they just build the machines for the plants right?
[22:18:18] <zeeshan|3> no
[22:18:27] <Tom_itx> they make sheetrock?
[22:18:31] <zeeshan|3> no
[22:18:35] <zeeshan|3> they make the equipment
[22:18:37] <zeeshan|3> and the plant itself
[22:18:56] <Tom_itx> so they design the whole plant?
[22:19:02] <zeeshan|3> yes
[22:19:05] <zeeshan|3> its like discovery channel stuff
[22:19:18] <zeeshan|3> big ass cranes putting equipment into place
[22:19:19] <zeeshan|3> hehe
[22:19:35] <zeeshan|3> i didn't realize how involved this stuff gets till starting here
[22:19:39] <Tom_itx> it's all gotta fit on a truck
[22:19:52] <zeeshan|3> not always :)
[22:20:13] <Tom_itx> costs more to ship then
[22:20:31] <LeelooMinai> What is the name of the material property that would describe if it can bend many times and not break?
[22:20:41] <Tom_itx> elasticity
[22:24:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3 do they have heating elements in those too?
[22:25:03] <zeeshan|3> top secret
[22:25:05] <zeeshan|3> :P
[22:25:09] <Tom_itx> oh poo
[22:25:16] <Tom_itx> i know they do
[22:25:48] <Tom_itx> i'd hate to have that electric bill
[22:26:42] <zeeshan|3> 12*200hp*.746kW/hp
[22:26:46] <zeeshan|3> 149kW already
[22:26:47] <zeeshan|3> lol
[22:26:57] <zeeshan|3> just for one section using some fans
[22:27:08] <zeeshan|3> i bet the actual power usage is in the megawatts
[22:28:03] <Tom_itx> did you ever try those files i gave you?
[22:29:03] <zeeshan|3> which ones
[22:29:26] <zeeshan|3> no
[22:29:27] <zeeshan|3> :{
[22:29:35] <zeeshan|3> i have barely been on the computer
[22:29:38] <zeeshan|3> at home
[22:29:52] <zeeshan|3> i hope to be more on during winter!
[22:29:57] <zeeshan|3> CNC LATHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[22:30:16] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:30:27] <Tom_itx> i wish i had more room and time to do this stuff
[22:31:36] <zeeshan|3> scale the machine down and do it!
[22:31:57] <Tom_itx> then you have a lightweight hobby machine that's not very satisfying
[22:32:29] <zeeshan|3> at least you can make parts
[22:32:33] <zeeshan|3> and tinker around
[22:33:41] <zeeshan|3> you can then spend 10 hours looking at different bellow materials like LeelooMinai
[22:33:47] <Tom_itx> i used the sherline to learn all about lcnc and haven't really done much milling with it lately
[22:33:54] <zeeshan|3> *hours= days
[22:33:55] <zeeshan|3> :]
[22:34:01] <Tom_itx> not me
[22:34:49] <zeeshan|3> if youre willing to do the work
[22:34:52] <zeeshan|3> the machines really pay them self off
[22:35:01] <Tom_itx> i know that
[22:35:15] <zeeshan|3> remember my friend who bough the deckel?
[22:35:21] <zeeshan|3> hes bought a lathe too now
[22:35:24] <Tom_itx> i think so
[22:35:26] <zeeshan|3> and welders and stuff
[22:35:34] <zeeshan|3> renting a place and getting stuff done
[22:35:48] <zeeshan|3> F that
[22:35:54] <zeeshan|3> thats too much work :P
[22:36:25] <Tom_itx> yeah that turns it into work for sure
[22:36:54] <zeeshan|3> honestly, i stopped advertising my part time busines 4-5 months ago
[22:37:04] <zeeshan|3> i am just working with the same customers
[22:37:13] <zeeshan|3> i dont want to spend all my free time machining
[22:37:35] <zeeshan|3> its fun to mess around with it once in a while, but asap it starts feeling like a job, it gets cumbersome
[23:03:23] <pink_vampire> hi
[23:10:32] <Valduare> hi guys
[23:15:06] <LeelooMinai> I decided to do this:
http://i.imgur.com/yZNcWJ3.png
[23:15:33] <LeelooMinai> Just put two angles, or better u-channels there and then accordeon something inside them.
[23:15:43] <LeelooMinai> This should be pretty easy to do.
[23:16:21] <LeelooMinai> Since no need to do weird bellow-corners at 90 deg angles etc.
[23:19:42] <pink_vampire> LeelooMinai: why do you need this hollow sheet under the spindle??
[23:20:20] <LeelooMinai> That will be aluminum - 1/4 inch plate probably - so I can attach the side-accordeons to it.
[23:20:38] <pink_vampire> the T is not enough?
[23:20:39] <LeelooMinai> And it also protect the square area around the spindle.
[23:21:15] <LeelooMinai> What T?
[23:21:29] <pink_vampire> T slot**
[23:21:39] <pink_vampire> slots*
[23:22:02] <LeelooMinai> T-slots are part of the table/box - it moves in Y axis.
[23:22:39] <LeelooMinai> The aluminum plate with the hole moves with the X-stage - from left to right.
[23:23:01] <LeelooMinai> That's how the accordeons will expand/contract.
[23:25:10] <pink_vampire> one sec i've edit your image
[23:26:27] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/xDF9iBc.png
[23:28:20] <pink_vampire> fist green "?" why did you make this stud?
[23:29:09] <LeelooMinai> This is part of the table - making it a box with open top - I will put side transparent panels there.
[23:29:10] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/yfkRbhk.png
[23:29:13] <pink_vampire> the orange part is your table, so by lifting it up you make you Z travel very limited
[23:30:03] <pink_vampire> yes, but why you think you need that accordeon?
[23:30:05] <LeelooMinai> Well, that's the whole view:
http://i.imgur.com/Oibc7wp.png
[23:30:24] <LeelooMinai> The table is not affected by the box really.
[23:30:40] <LeelooMinai> Accordeon is to keep the chips inside.
[23:30:47] <LeelooMinai> As the whole box thing.
[23:32:48] <pink_vampire> don't feel bad,but that is one of the most stupid design I've ever saw
[23:33:57] <pink_vampire> by lifting the table up you make your bridge go up also, and by that it become much more flexible
[23:34:22] <LeelooMinai> Well, I don't know what you mean by "lifting the table"...
[23:34:35] <LeelooMinai> I am not lifting any table.
[23:34:39] <pink_vampire> do you have microphone?
[23:35:03] <LeelooMinai> No... I use keyboard when designing stuff:)
[23:35:31] <pink_vampire> i mean you can come to discord for sec
[23:35:57] <LeelooMinai> No, I just have headphones.
[23:36:12] <LeelooMinai> But the table is where it was before designing this enclosure.
[23:36:24] <LeelooMinai> It's not like it moved magically...
[23:38:10] <pink_vampire> but you whole table is mount on 2 small blocks, with very small gap
[23:39:00] <LeelooMinai> 2? There are 4
[23:39:12] <pink_vampire> 2 on each side
[23:39:51] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, as opposed to what - cannot place them on the ends of rails because the table could not move...
[23:40:12] <pink_vampire> if it's a small machine it can work.. but.. it's not going to be very stable
[23:40:55] <LeelooMinai> You have to choose some distance - compromise between the movement extent and rigidity I guess.
[23:42:01] <pink_vampire> what is the size of the machine?
[23:42:09] <LeelooMinai> There's also a plate sitting on those 4 blocks, so it's not really unstable.
[23:42:40] <LeelooMinai> It's about, hmm 2 feet long.
[23:43:13] <pink_vampire> it can work..
[23:43:43] <pink_vampire> but why do you want to make it close
[23:44:03] <pink_vampire> you need to be able to watch it cut
[23:44:11] <LeelooMinai> So my room is protected from chips.
[23:44:32] <LeelooMinai> The enclosure will be from acrylic so I can see something and there will be two cameras inside anyways.
[23:45:58] <pink_vampire> but it's nut fly all over the place, you are just going to get nice pile of chips,
[23:46:54] <LeelooMinai> Right, I guess it depends on the material - I just don't want any pieces to "jump" out of there.
[23:47:07] <pink_vampire> and you MUST clear the chips out of the way that you are going to cut if you want good surface finish
[23:47:33] <pink_vampire> nothing is going to jump
[23:47:46] <pink_vampire> it's a small engraver..
[23:48:30] <LeelooMinai> I bought some stuff for compressed air - valve, etc. and I plan to periodically blow air on the piece.
[23:48:36] <pink_vampire> also cutting on chips can destroy your cutting bits.
[23:49:17] <pink_vampire> i think the best thing you can do is do use vacuum cleaner
[23:49:28] <LeelooMinai> Well, I hope to mill lightly some aluminum, not really engrave.
[23:49:45] <LeelooMinai> Lightly meaning not too fast maybe.
[23:50:05] <pink_vampire> compressed air make the stuff go all over, use vacuum cleaner
[23:50:29] <pink_vampire> one sec I will show you something
[23:50:50] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/es4GPYn.png
[23:51:02] <pink_vampire> 3/4" end mill, on wood
[23:52:01] <LeelooMinai> Well, yes, chips - the things I want to enclosure:)
[23:53:00] <pink_vampire> i mean look how you get them, is not fly all over, just on the sides
[23:53:46] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/0RugjA8.png
[23:53:58] <pink_vampire> also look at the chips here.
[23:54:04] <LeelooMinai> Yes, some are closer, some fly further...
[23:54:05] <pink_vampire> this is aluminum
[23:54:48] <LeelooMinai> I don't want to have aluminum chips on the floor in my room.
[23:55:01] <pink_vampire> it take me less the 1 min, to vacuum the whole machine table
[23:55:23] <LeelooMinai> If it was in the basement, ok, but that's my bedroom/living room.
[23:55:41] <pink_vampire> you have 2 feet of table... my is 450mm by 150mm
[23:56:08] <pink_vampire> and i don't have chips on my floor
[23:57:00] <LeelooMinai> Well, that's good, but I figured out that the enclosure will give me guarantee that nothing jumps on my bed, etc.
[23:57:30] <witnit> probably help keep things out of the air too
[23:57:47] <LeelooMinai> Also, that if something breaks, it won't fly and kill my cat for example...
[23:58:31] <pink_vampire> lol fly and kill my cat
[23:58:36] <LeelooMinai> Or a piece or carbide tool does not embed in my monitor.
[23:59:48] <pink_vampire> now i'm sure you love sci-fi
