#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-08-22

[02:25:15] <Deejay> moin
[02:28:22] <XXCoder> check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfxdeRx2fLA
[05:49:15] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:25] <XXCoder> anti-boo!
[05:56:32] <jthornton> 62F clear nice morning for a bike ride
[05:57:56] <XXCoder> ugh temperate ramps up
[05:58:02] <XXCoder> by friday its 89F
[05:58:14] <XXCoder> not too bad but thursday it will be 86f which isnt fun for work
[05:59:21] <jthornton> we are getting high 80's by mid week
[05:59:52] <XXCoder> lat year we had 2 weeks of high 90s and 2 days over 100f
[06:00:10] <XXCoder> 98f outside inside work was 110f and very humid
[06:00:32] <XXCoder> thankfully work they gave us lots free drinks and we all used towels and fans to keep cool
[06:04:10] <jthornton> what kind of work do you do?
[06:04:22] <XXCoder> cnc milling parts
[06:04:25] <XXCoder> production
[06:04:46] <XXCoder> last year I usually run small machines (like fadal 88) but now I run a cell
[06:05:45] <XXCoder> and also this year I bought in my own fan!
[06:05:52] <XXCoder> smallish one but it helps a lot.
[06:06:23] <jthornton> yea a fan with plenty of water is a big help
[06:06:35] * XXCoder pours water on fan
[06:06:38] <XXCoder> hey it didnt help
[06:06:50] <XXCoder> it dont seem to be turning now
[06:07:00] <jthornton> rutro
[06:07:12] <XXCoder> heh kidding
[06:07:18] <XXCoder> not at work now
[06:07:25] <XXCoder> 3:40 am here gonna sleep soon
[06:07:44] <jthornton> 5:40 here
[06:07:52] <jthornton> just woke up
[06:10:24] <jthornton> hmm the fadal 88 is about the same size as my BP Discovery 308
[06:10:43] <XXCoder> and old. lol what year was yours made in?
[06:10:59] <XXCoder> fadal 88 was first made in 1988 and lasted unknown number of years
[06:11:14] <jthornton> I'd have to go look but I think mid 90's
[06:11:19] <XXCoder> I would say less than 5 years as other fadal at work was newer but not that much newer
[06:11:35] <XXCoder> but different model name and only few years later
[06:11:54] <XXCoder> oh apparently fadal makes cnc machines again now
[06:11:59] <jthornton> the 308 has a 386 motherboard
[06:12:05] <XXCoder> looks like weird mix of fadal 88 and newer
[06:15:19] <jthornton> I wish I could convert my 308 to LinuxCNC
[06:15:39] <jthornton> the spindle motor is a special type that won't work with a VFD
[06:15:45] <XXCoder> completely new computers, probably replace few other hardware
[06:16:07] <XXCoder> though there is point where it becomes no point to do
[06:17:17] <XXCoder> LOL that is fucked up
[06:17:19] <XXCoder> http://www.saveportlandfromhell.com/wp-content/uploads/demon_possession.jpg
[06:19:08] <jthornton> lol
[06:21:49] <Tom_itx> jt, i didn't know your 308 wasn't a conversion
[06:23:19] <jthornton> only one that still has the original control
[06:23:53] <jthornton> looked into it a bit was hoping to replace the servos and drives and put a vector drive on the spindle
[08:47:40] <archivist> only the second one I have seen in the wild http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401174461447
[08:48:25] <_methods> oh wow that's sexy
[08:50:55] <archivist> the other one being http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=9008+tb
[08:51:15] <_methods> you'll have the market cornered lol
[08:51:55] <archivist> not buying another, no £s in stock
[08:54:03] <_methods> that damn money thing
[09:13:27] <SpeedEvil> I guess it was considerably more than 100 quid new
[09:14:00] <SpeedEvil> hah
[09:14:05] <SpeedEvil> first hit for more info
[09:14:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Hilger+%26+Watts
[09:14:19] <archivist> :)
[09:15:20] <archivist> a bit of a bugger when trying to find info and ones own site pops up
[09:17:44] <SpeedEvil> how accurate are teh above? I assume small fractions of a degree
[09:17:52] <SpeedEvil> Are they a microscope + free weight + scale?
[09:18:44] <archivist> that particular clinometer is a level + a worm to rotate it
[09:19:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:19:07] <archivist> reads to a minute
[09:19:17] * SpeedEvil does not need it.
[09:19:20] * SpeedEvil does not need it.
[09:19:29] <archivist> yes he does
[09:19:31] <archivist> yes he does
[09:19:51] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[09:20:07] <SpeedEvil> out to what - 5 degrees?
[09:20:15] <SpeedEvil> i guess that's a bit much
[09:20:21] <SpeedEvil> (probably smaller)
[09:20:31] <archivist> we had fun making a replacement set of steps, getting the two sides parallel to a gnats cock
[09:20:57] <archivist> it measures 0-90 degrees
[09:21:13] <SpeedEvil> wow
[09:21:23] <archivist> never ever drop it, the bubble is expensive
[09:21:26] * SpeedEvil looks at his 6W laser diode.
[09:21:53] <archivist> cost me £80 for a new bubble
[09:28:22] <SpeedEvil> I have a startling lack of precision angle measuring equipment.
[09:32:23] <SpeedEvil> This week seems to be metrology week. New scope, bathroom scales, and the above.
[09:32:25] <SpeedEvil> Well 'new'
[09:37:12] <archivist> what scope?
[09:38:57] <SpeedEvil> Rigol DS1204v
[09:39:00] <SpeedEvil> b
[09:39:35] <SpeedEvil> have to see what condition it's actually in
[09:51:55] <jesseg> SpeedEvil, how much you pay for your new scope?
[09:52:47] <SpeedEvil> Enough that it hurt
[09:53:23] <jesseg> SpeedEvil, wow.. this'll be interesting.
[09:56:07] <archivist> he is scottish any money hurts
[09:59:34] <jesseg> Someone gave me some dactakom(sp?) scope from china, and it looks very similar to that and it's utter and complete junk.. I bet the chinese factory that makes Rigol scopes stole the hardware design and got a buggy beta firmware to put on it LOL
[10:01:20] <jesseg> Getting a nice scope is hard. Seems the user interface design job always goes to the lowest bidder
[10:06:25] <archivist> often they seem to cram too much into a scope
[10:08:19] <jesseg> in my case they just goofed the firmware as best as I can tell. Half the time when you turn a knob, it doesn't do anything. But if you turn it again, then it usually works.
[10:08:40] <jesseg> or I wonder if it's just really bad knob encoders. I should check.
[10:14:30] <cradek> if you're clueless, it's easy to decode quadrature wrongly and get that kind of behavior
[10:14:38] <cradek> (I know because I'm formerly clueless)
[10:14:53] <jesseg> I'm presently clueless :P
[10:15:05] <jesseg> but just not on quadrature
[10:15:30] <jesseg> but yeah, I dream about some day making a scope with a smooth fluid user interface
[10:16:11] <cradek> well to start, you could put the indications around the knobs instead of on the screen, and use their absolute instead of relative positions...
[10:16:24] <cradek> and there should be no modes: no knob does more than one thing
[10:17:09] <cradek> otherwise it's like using an uncooperative microwave
[10:17:11] <jesseg> so many engineering software companies like cad companies, oscilloscope companies, etc., are so proud of their hardware or algorithms they forget they also need a smooth user interface. They should all go out and hire some top level game programmers :P
[10:17:45] <archivist> as if game programmers are experts
[10:17:50] <jesseg> cradek, yeah and I'm thinking a lot could be done from a good multi-touch user interface
[10:18:30] <jesseg> archivist, well, the aspect of game engines is that they know things need to move fluid-like and render nicely. I'm not a gamer so manybe I don't know about that :P
[10:18:42] <archivist> touch is stupid, your fingers hide the thing you are working on
[10:18:49] <cradek> noooo touch screens just make things worse
[10:19:04] <jesseg> archivist, well, but what's 90% of what you do on the scope? zoom and pan :P
[10:19:35] <jesseg> itd be so nice to just pinch up or down the voltage or in or out the time, or look to the right or left without having to fiddle with knobs.
[10:19:36] <archivist> I use the timebase and trigger and gain (rotary knobs)
[10:20:28] <jesseg> I mean have knobs too, but for a lot of users doing a lot of things, I think touch would be a very convenient. but that's just my humble and totally unbiased opinion :D
[10:20:44] <archivist> I have one scope with early "touch" and it is terrible to use
[10:21:01] <jesseg> yeah poorly implemented touch as absolutely dreadful.
[10:21:22] <jesseg> Among poorly implemented interfaces, I think touch is the worst.
[10:21:38] <archivist> too effin bare http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=16500a
[10:22:55] <jesseg> The other thing is I think scopes should be is *realttime.* So let's say you're rendering a waveform at 60fps on the screen. Fine. If you reach over and pan the trigger offset or change the gain or whatever, that 60fps should be maintained fluidly -- not halted for 256mS while it figures out what you just did.
[10:22:55] <archivist> it actually has optos across the screen front to "see" fingers
[10:23:27] <archivist> realtime is an analogue scope
[10:23:30] <jesseg> archivist, hahahahahahhahahahaahahaha that is something
[10:23:32] <cradek> yep
[10:24:12] <jesseg> There is absolutely *no* reason that a DSO can't be realtime. Stupid management just doesn't want to spend the money on a nice interface.
[10:24:25] <cradek> archivist: it has an HIL port. can you just plug in a mouse?
[10:24:51] <archivist> cradek, recently found a mouse that actually works
[10:25:09] <archivist> so yes, keyboard did not though
[10:25:48] <jesseg> archivist, I gotta say, the colors are vibrant on that old CRT technology! lol
[10:26:14] <archivist> I must say a mouse on a scope does not feel right
[10:26:56] <jesseg> I'd use a mouse on the scope if I could drag the timeline around and drag offsets and trigger levels up and down and zoom with the scroll wheel :P
[10:27:26] <cradek> this is the model I remember having: ebay.com/itm/121562225874
[10:27:43] <gregcnc> impressive DIY router https://www.instagram.com/p/BJB8DAfA1fi/
[10:27:44] <cradek> actually I bet I've got some in the storeroom here at work
[10:28:05] <cradek> we threw the mice in a box and used tablets instead
[10:28:39] <jesseg> no scroll wheel :P
[10:28:44] <cradek> ha
[10:28:54] <jesseg> well gotta milk the goat and run off to work
[10:28:55] <cradek> wait a decade or two
[10:29:00] <jesseg> Cya guys later
[10:29:12] <cradek> cheers
[10:31:17] <gregcnc> he chose mach4 for that 5 axis router and had to write the kinematics code
[10:31:32] <skunkworks> moonpies@mahdi.massahi the machine controller is Mach4 but Artsoft. Mach4 doesn't have kinematic functionality to handle 5 axis machines like this on its own, so why I'm writing a program to add compensation to my gcode programs.
[10:31:59] <archivist> hehe
[10:36:33] <skunkworks> But it will some day.. they say
[10:39:38] <archivist> I think they shot themselves in the foot with the rewrite
[10:53:10] <skunkworks> Official Announcement: Mach4 on: September 28, 2012, 12:02:22 PM
[10:53:24] <_methods> wohooo
[10:53:30] <_methods> finally
[10:53:31] <skunkworks> to be fair - things are starting to work now. it seems
[10:54:03] <skunkworks> they have threading working on 1 motion controller now. atleast 2 or 3 people have gotten it to work.
[10:54:38] <archivist> a long rewrite killed netscape
[11:25:54] <JT-Shop> rode 20 miles this morning... dang I'm a little out of shape
[11:30:00] <yasnak> been getting back into biking lately myself
[11:30:24] <yasnak> man, they need to make seats for us newbies. those racing seats make it real hard for the first few days haha.
[11:33:47] <archivist> dunno what you are moaning about..I did 6 miles ish on Shanks's pony this morning
[11:36:42] <JT-Shop> get the padded panties
[11:36:51] <JT-Shop> what's a Shanks pony?
[11:37:21] <archivist> ones own legs
[11:42:13] <JT-Shop> ah
[12:01:08] <jdh> bikes r0ck
[12:05:09] <jdh> up to 4100 this year
[12:51:54] <plpower> hi
[12:52:15] <plpower> germany is true to get hot as in texas
[12:52:27] <plpower> CaptHindsight: =
[12:52:34] <plpower> ;_)
[12:54:03] <plpower> Deejay: sun is out here for 1hr
[13:19:35] <plpower> CaptHindsight: ?
[13:20:31] <plpower> Deejay: noe i see now clousds at all in the sky it will get real cool starshine tonightr
[16:12:24] <Deejay> gn8
[17:35:54] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone
[17:39:23] <MacGalempsy> just got thru the post processing, loaded it into linuxcnc. updated the tool table in LCNC. hit reload tool table. The machine goes to the first position, but then stops. at the bottom it says No Tool.
[17:39:37] <MacGalempsy> any help with what I am missing?
[17:40:24] <Tom_itx> the tool
[17:41:04] <Tom_itx> did you save the tool table?
[17:41:09] <MacGalempsy> yes
[17:41:22] <Tom_itx> did you double check after you did?
[17:41:24] <MacGalempsy> The tool z height is a negative number
[17:41:38] <Tom_itx> sounds right
[17:44:52] <zeeshan|3> you gotta click savce before hitting reload tool table
[17:44:53] <zeeshan|3> =/
[17:51:53] <MacGalempsy> i did that
[17:51:57] <MacGalempsy> still not working
[17:52:26] <MacGalempsy> even through MDI I try to load T01 M6 and it doesnt load
[17:53:29] <Tom_itx> i'd try restarting lcnc and see what happens
[17:53:46] <Tom_itx> and take good notes of the ver and symptoms
[17:53:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3!
[17:54:02] <zeeshan|3> hi
[17:54:05] <Tom_itx> i wasn't able to load that pic
[17:54:15] <zeeshan|3> mac t01 m6 g43
[17:54:19] <MacGalempsy> i found a forum post
[17:54:20] <zeeshan|3> o
[17:54:28] <zeeshan|3> brb
[17:54:38] <Tom_itx> that's z offset isn't it?
[17:55:06] <Tom_itx> did you include a H word in your gcode file?
[17:55:25] <Tom_itx> so it knows which one to read
[17:56:17] <MacGalempsy> the gcode is from the Fusion360 post processor
[17:56:43] <MacGalempsy> I found a post here of a similar problem.
[18:02:52] <MacGalempsy> I am wondering if it is a HAL issue
[18:30:03] <Tom_itx> i'd write a simple short program to test what you feel to be suspect
[18:31:46] <malcom2073> One might even call it... a test... case.
[18:32:06] <Tom_itx> T1 M06
[18:32:09] <Tom_itx> G43 Z0.1 H1
[18:32:26] <Tom_itx> should take it .1 above your tool set point
[18:32:52] <Tom_itx> G17 G00 G90 X-0.689 Y-0.0491 S10016 M03
[18:32:59] <Tom_itx> i had that between those 2
[18:33:05] <Tom_itx> just remove the x y coords
[18:33:13] <Tom_itx> and change the speed
[18:33:25] <Tom_itx> i wasn't using spindle speed control when i did that one
[18:35:11] <MacGalempsy> ok. i got it
[18:35:23] <MacGalempsy> it was the change and prepare loopback
[18:39:10] <zeeshan|3> h not needed
[18:39:12] <zeeshan|3> w/ 1
[18:39:17] <zeeshan|3> just do G43
[18:39:31] <zeeshan|3> it automatically matches offset of tool
[18:39:53] <zeeshan|3> i dont like putting it in manually because sometimes i change code to use another tool and forgot to update the h #
[19:16:58] <Tom_itx> zlog
[19:17:01] <Tom_itx> that bites
[19:17:39] <Tom_itx> i don't like to rely on defaults :D
[19:17:52] <Tom_itx> so i use the Hword
[19:18:56] <Tom_itx> so zeeshan|3
[19:19:07] <Tom_itx> where's your latest pic
[19:21:18] <Tom_itx> i wanted to see how you figured out that part
[19:33:24] <MacGalempsy> well. i am glad to see that it started, but not sure why it dwelled for so long
[20:30:57] <Simonious> the axes in F360 annoy me so much
[20:31:53] <Tom_itx> turn the monitor upside down
[20:32:14] <Simonious> huh, didn't work, but it seemed to help after I put it in the chipper.
[20:35:24] <Simonious> I want the axes to stay fixed unless *I* change them :/ I also want them to match my machine when I start setting up CAM operations.
[20:43:44] <Simonious> eh.. it is showing the XZ axis.. in CAM. I've set Z-up in preferences, but it still shows it that way AND when I select TOP view it wanders off in the Y axis instead of overviewing in the Z direction
[21:35:52] <BeachBumPete> Evening linuxcnc peeps ;)
[21:38:12] <Tom_itx> hey
[21:38:31] <BeachBumPete> Hey Tom howzitgoin?
[21:38:58] <Tom_itx> not bad
[21:40:04] <BeachBumPete> I didn't mow the lawn this weekend so I did it after work today and went a bit nuts with the whole thing on my new yard LOL
[21:40:57] <Tom_itx> growing season is slowing here but still plenty of rain
[21:41:29] <BeachBumPete> Growing season here is perpetual basically
[21:42:26] <BeachBumPete> I had some bushes between my yard and the next door neighbors that looked pretty rough so I did a Rambo on it with the weedeater and a sawzall hehe
[21:43:40] <BeachBumPete> Then I tried to mow over it but there was some yard border rocks underneath all the weeds and it probably screwed my blade a bit on the new mower :)
[21:44:11] <Tom_itx> i keep a few extra sharp blades hanging on the wall
[21:44:34] <BeachBumPete> I pulled it all out and got it all nice and leveled now so will probably grow over in a week or so with grass
[21:45:18] <BeachBumPete> The rest of the yard is looking great as they did some nice landscaping when they flipped the house.
[21:45:22] <jdh> after work?
[21:45:37] <BeachBumPete> Yeah I am tired now hehe
[21:46:10] <jdh> having to work is pretty much the low point of my day
[21:46:27] <jdh> getting paid, on the other hand, pretty much makes it ok.
[21:46:49] <BeachBumPete> The yard has a retention ditch and it is a corner lot so the ditch runs all alone the edge. Its kind of a bitch to mow as it has a sort of metal half pipe tube in the middle of the ditch
[21:47:06] <BeachBumPete> Well yeah....;)
[21:48:28] <BeachBumPete> The mower I got is a self propelled husquavarna and it is really cool but I probably should have gotten the all wheel drive self propelled one instead of the rear wheel drive one..
[21:48:52] <jdh> the mower I got is called 'Martin'
[21:49:21] <jdh> he speaks very good english and takes checks
[21:49:40] <roycroft> what is a "check"?
[21:49:42] <BeachBumPete> I know I would love to pay some Martin guy but they want like 25 bucks a mow and here you basically have to mow every week
[21:50:03] <roycroft> permaculture time, beachbumpete
[21:50:07] <jdh> roycroft: paper things my wife uses.
[21:50:20] <BeachBumPete> Permaculture?
[21:50:29] * roycroft hasn't written a check this millenium, he thinks
[21:50:32] <roycroft> rip up your lawn
[21:50:38] <roycroft> plant things you can eat or that look pretty
[21:50:45] <BeachBumPete> I think I need to do some serious adding shit to the yard to take up space LOL
[21:50:47] <roycroft> that need no watering or mowing or pruning or other tending
[21:50:57] <jdh> I wrote a check a couple of years ago
[21:51:42] <BeachBumPete> The after school program my kids are in only takes checks or money orders... I had to ask them twice if they were serious
[21:52:07] <BeachBumPete> They would not even take a greenback
[21:52:18] <roycroft> they have to tell you that before you sign up
[21:52:25] <roycroft> or else they are required by federal law to accept cash
[21:52:32] <BeachBumPete> That's damn unamerican LOL
[21:52:44] <roycroft> "this not is legal tender for all debts, public or private"
[21:52:47] <roycroft> note
[21:53:02] <roycroft> the only way to get around that legally is to say up front that you won't accept cash
[21:53:21] <BeachBumPete> Well they dont
[21:53:25] <roycroft> and refuse the transaction if you intend to use cash
[21:53:32] <roycroft> if they don't then they have to take cash
[21:53:54] <roycroft> you can sue them over it and win :)
[21:54:06] <BeachBumPete> Anyway the yard looks tits now and I am happy
[21:54:07] <roycroft> and your kids will be so embarrassed they will never leave the house again
[21:54:24] <roycroft> but you'll have won
[21:54:30] <roycroft> and that's what matters in 'murica
[21:55:04] <BeachBumPete> The new mower has variable speed self propel its kinda nice to not have it big down in taller grass...just slow down
[21:55:21] <BeachBumPete> Bog
[21:55:23] <roycroft> if you insist on having a lawn
[21:55:28] <roycroft> and not having people mow it for you
[21:55:35] <roycroft> then you need a lawn tractor, not a push mower
[21:55:38] <roycroft> one with a cup holder
[21:55:38] <BeachBumPete> Oh I dont
[21:55:52] <BeachBumPete> I would prefer astroturf or gravel or something
[21:56:03] <roycroft> and a canopy would be nice in your part of the world
[21:56:29] <BeachBumPete> I don't want to store the damn thing and I can use the exercise ;)
[21:56:50] <BeachBumPete> I always mow after the sun starts to go down
[21:57:18] <BeachBumPete> Try to finish just before it gets dark
[21:58:21] <BeachBumPete> Woke up this weekend had breakfast and the next door neighbor was outside at like noon mowing with a non self propelled mower and was sweating like some sort of meat loaf
[21:58:54] <roycroft> yeah, in the heat of summer (right now), if i don't drag my butt out really early in the morning to mow i have to do it right before sunset
[21:59:02] <roycroft> or just let the dandelions grow
[21:59:02] <BeachBumPete> I neglected to ask him what the hell he was thinking
[21:59:10] <roycroft> our climate is wet winter/dry summer
[21:59:33] <roycroft> the grass stops growing here in late june, for the most part, turns brown, and doesn't start growing again until late september
[21:59:40] <roycroft> but the dandelions grow all summer long
[21:59:57] <BeachBumPete> It's hot as hell at noon here and it's crazy/ borderline suicidal to mow during that time
[22:00:43] <BeachBumPete> Even though I start in the evening it's still pretty hot and sweaty by the time It is all done
[22:01:38] <BeachBumPete> Looking forward to getting an above ground pool and the more I mow the larger that bitch is gonna be I'm thinking hehehe
[22:02:20] <BeachBumPete> A guy at work has one of the oval ones and it is pretty damn big.
[22:02:52] <roycroft> maintaining a pool is a lot of work
[22:02:56] <roycroft> unless you get a pool boy
[22:03:03] <BeachBumPete> That and a shed should make the back yard a bit more fun to mow :)
[22:03:05] <roycroft> in which case you have to keep an eye on your wife
[22:03:07] <Tom_itx> sooner get a lawn boy..
[22:03:08] <roycroft> which is also a lot of work
[22:03:35] <BeachBumPete> Meh I had one in our house in Tennessee and we loved it
[22:03:42] <roycroft> a pool boy?
[22:04:00] <BeachBumPete> It's easy to take care of once you get the chemicals sorted.
[22:04:15] <Tom_itx> i hear salt is easier
[22:04:23] <roycroft> you didn't have alligators in tennessee
[22:04:33] <BeachBumPete> Nice thing here is that you never have to close the damn pool down you can enjoy it all year
[22:05:01] <BeachBumPete> I have heard the same thing might have to try the salt water pool thing
[22:05:44] <BeachBumPete> Damn insurance will go up some I am told once I get the pool the bastards
[22:07:33] <roycroft> and you'll need to build a fence around it
[22:07:49] <roycroft> and post "no trespassing" signs all over the place
[22:08:32] <BeachBumPete> Luckily one of the nice things about our new house is it has a substantial fence around the back yard already and it is brand new
[22:09:31] <BeachBumPete> It's like a concrete post say 2x2 foot and then a section of wood fenced then another concrete post then another fance panel etc etc
[22:10:03] <BeachBumPete> Pretty heavy duty fence really
[22:10:36] <roycroft> nice
[22:10:37] <BeachBumPete> And it looks cool as the concrete columns are painted like the house and stuccoed
[22:10:59] <BeachBumPete> But it would not hurt to have the signs tho
[22:11:13] <roycroft> find out what your insurance company require
[22:11:38] <BeachBumPete> I do need to make one of the fence panels removable so I can put my trailer in the back yard tho
[22:11:49] <roycroft> because some idiot could break into your yard, drown in your pool, and the heirs sue you
[22:12:06] <roycroft> and you need to make sure your insurance company will back you up
[22:12:38] <BeachBumPete> Yeah I already spoke to them they seemed to think the fence was adequate as long as I install locks on the latches
[22:13:35] <BeachBumPete> They do sell some of that special fencing that goes on above ground pool sides tol
[22:14:16] <BeachBumPete> My next door neighbor has an above ground pool and his fence is just a five foot tall chain link
[22:15:17] <BeachBumPete> He also has a big dog that dislikes my mower he tries to bite it thru the fence when I go by hehehe
[22:16:17] <BeachBumPete> So far all the neighbors seem very nice and friendly which is more than I could say for our last neighborhood
[22:17:27] <BeachBumPete> If my paycheck is up to it I am gonna try to pickup the parts for the sub panel for the shop this weekend.
[22:18:18] <BeachBumPete> Can't wait to start bringing the machines over and get them out of storage
[22:21:44] <BeachBumPete> Well gn8 folks