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[00:11:01] <FloppyDisk525> autodesk bought eagle...
[00:11:20] <FloppyDisk525> they're integrating the whole enchilada...
[00:27:14] <yasnak> delcam was also bought
[00:27:27] <yasnak> aka we're now getting upgrades and such for free :P
[00:27:44] <yasnak> partmaker becomes featurecam
[00:36:49] <jack_rabbit> yo
[00:37:27] <tiwake> jack_rabbit: fantastic group here... machine design, controllers, whatever... its all here :P
[00:37:36] <jack_rabbit> Nice.
[00:37:48] <pink_vampire|2> hi XXCoder
[00:37:52] <jack_rabbit> I'm auto-joined, so I'll lurk here and learn.
[00:37:54] <XXCoder> hey
[00:38:03] <tiwake> XXCoder: you turd
[00:38:13] <XXCoder> tiwake: you piss
[00:38:15] <pink_vampire> what are you doing in the reprap channel?
[00:38:24] <tiwake> XXCoder: hehe
[00:38:40] <XXCoder> I have 3d printer pink. unfortunately its controller board never worked so waiting for seller to reply
[00:39:16] <pink_vampire> i want to print on my g0704
[00:39:26] <pink_vampire> i got a j-head
[00:39:29] <XXCoder> got [ic of it? curious heh
[00:39:58] <XXCoder> oh g0704 isnt that your mill?
[00:40:04] <pink_vampire> yes
[00:40:18] <XXCoder> yeah I suppose its possible to print on it. you just need few stuff
[00:40:30] <XXCoder> heated bed helps apparently, and glass on it
[00:40:59] <XXCoder> besides that you need filiment feeder which is nema17 with special addons
[00:41:01] <XXCoder> thats iut
[00:41:31] <XXCoder> well dunno about controller that is heh
[00:42:09] <pink_vampire> I've try with the nema 32
[00:42:23] <XXCoder> thats way too big to move thin filiment
[00:42:25] <pink_vampire> and it's push it like craaaazy
[00:42:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:42:34] <XXCoder> well it can still work i suppose
[00:42:56] <XXCoder> wish my printer worked :( was planning to have fun with it this weekend
[00:43:22] <pink_vampire> now i'm working on the extruder
[00:43:29] <XXCoder> nice.
[00:43:48] <XXCoder> one of my plans is to print up clamp for 52mm spindle to fit on my cnc router :)
[00:43:57] <pink_vampire> (now it's just test on some acrylic sheet
[00:44:23] <XXCoder> my extuder is made from 3d printer lol
[00:44:32] <pink_vampire> you can cut it by hand in 15 min
[00:44:44] <XXCoder> just add couple things to manage hose and gears
[00:45:13] <XXCoder> you meant hotend? that part seems simple
[00:45:50] <pink_vampire> i got this hot end
[00:46:08] <XXCoder> was it from hotends.com?
[00:46:15] <pink_vampire> http://www.microcenter.com/product/442816/Assembled_J-head_Hotend_Nozzle_for_Filament_Reprap_MakerBot_Kossel_Delta
[00:46:17] <pink_vampire> no
[00:46:24] <pink_vampire> from the store
[00:46:49] <XXCoder> I need to get kapton tape
[00:46:52] <pink_vampire> it was on sale for 32$
[00:46:53] <XXCoder> mine has none lol
[00:47:59] <pink_vampire> the hotend is now connect to arduino with relay
[00:48:16] <XXCoder> so youre now making filiment mover?
[00:48:43] <pink_vampire> and it's send all the temperature data over serial
[00:49:03] <pink_vampire> yes.. the filiment mover
[00:49:54] <pink_vampire> the hot-end is metric
[00:50:09] <XXCoder> cool. right now my machine Y moves fine, but X moves randomly and if machine restarts it moves only one of Z steppers meaning bar gets bent
[00:50:22] <XXCoder> thankfully its not sensive so its easy to stop and fix
[00:50:43] <Cromaglious_> gotta finish rewiring the drivers to the bob and fire things up again
[00:51:06] <roycroft> it's a cec machine - computer entropy controlled
[02:19:57] <Deejay> moin
[03:03:57] <XXCoder> heh
[03:03:59] <XXCoder> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
[03:04:07] <XXCoder> happy 25th birthday first website of all
[03:55:20] <_abc_> Hello. Has anyone got horror stories about setting fast decay mode on TB65xx drivers?
[03:56:19] <XXCoder> mines set to 25% decay but nope?
[03:56:43] <XXCoder> it was orginially set to fast it was fine but I changed to 25% and some things improved,
[03:57:06] <_abc_> Like what?
[03:57:24] <XXCoder> it felt running smoother
[03:57:29] <XXCoder> hard to say sadly
[03:57:34] <_abc_> Were you able to increase top speed? steps freq or feed speed?
[03:58:11] <XXCoder> its been a bit since I last configured it so forgot some lol
[03:58:21] <XXCoder> it still have issues at lower speeds
[03:58:34] <XXCoder> 12 mm/s have pretty bad resourance issues
[03:58:43] <XXCoder> 6-7 mm/s kind of
[03:58:56] <_abc_> resonance? You don't have any rotational vibration dampers, right?
[03:59:10] <_abc_> Also you are not microstepping? 1:1?
[03:59:58] <XXCoder> rotation vibration dampers?
[04:00:17] <XXCoder> last i set it was at 1/16 but 1/4 was best so far. just havent set it back
[04:00:19] <_abc_> Yes. A standard feature on many stepper drives
[04:00:39] <XXCoder> since mine is chinese special I somewhat doubt it has? but then dunno
[04:00:54] <_abc_> It's just a hockey puck like thing on the axle
[04:01:52] <XXCoder> wow nope lol
[04:02:06] <XXCoder> its just stepper - anti-backlash coupler - ballscrew
[04:03:03] <_abc_> http://www.linengineering.com/products/accessories/nema-17-dampers/
[04:03:38] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:03:45] <XXCoder> too bad I would not be able to fit it
[04:03:49] <archivist> damper or acceleration, a choice
[04:03:50] <_abc_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-32284.html diy
[04:04:11] <_abc_> archivist: we're not into zen haiku. Please elaborate?
[04:04:51] * _abc_ imagines the kiddie rattle noises those diy dampers make
[04:04:59] <XXCoder> acceration, increase or decrease to smooth it out?
[04:05:06] <_abc_> Hm?
[04:05:33] <XXCoder> unless you meant something different with acceration
[04:05:34] <_abc_> You need more force to accelerate the damper's inertial mass, perhaps archivist was trying to condense all this into 3 cryptic words
[04:05:52] <XXCoder> anyway I'm not tinkering with cnc router till I can actually fit 52mm spindle on it.
[04:06:47] <archivist> _abc_, it is always a compromise regardless of motor size
[04:07:06] <_abc_> Isn't everything anyway?
[04:07:11] <archivist> larger motor is has lower top speed
[04:07:32] <XXCoder> archivist: so do I try to tweak acceration to get smoother lower speed range?
[04:07:35] <_abc_> I have a situation where I used small pitch leadscrews and the 600rpm undamped motors can provide is too low in feed speed terms
[04:07:51] <_abc_> So I am tinkering with ways to fix that
[04:07:57] <archivist> move to servo
[04:08:07] <_abc_> Won't. No budget.
[04:08:11] <XXCoder> I also have problem of backlash coupler rotating, i wonder if I can grind a flat spot so it can hold better? wgat ya think?
[04:08:16] <archivist> then live with it
[04:08:22] <_abc_> Can't ;)
[04:08:27] <archivist> have to
[04:08:33] <XXCoder> of course I need better tools so i can tighten it better too lol
[04:09:01] <XXCoder> cncs. you cant live with it you cant live without it ;)
[04:09:10] <_abc_> I'll probably make it break the 600rpm limit with damping and or fast decay and or something else. 30% more speed would be okay. Loads are light and the motors are oversized for the job.
[04:09:31] <_abc_> XXCoder: sounds like a repurposed women joke
[04:09:37] <archivist> higher driver voltage for more speed
[04:09:54] <_abc_> It's resonance that gets it, there's enough voltage.
[04:09:56] <XXCoder> you probably can do faster with less microstepping but probably can cause other issues
[04:09:58] <archivist> also means junk those crappy driver chips :)
[04:10:08] <_abc_> TB65xx is considered crappy?
[04:10:12] <XXCoder> it is
[04:10:22] <XXCoder> chinese special shit. I use tb6560
[04:10:28] <_abc_> Hm they seem to be doing find in a lot of things
[04:10:31] <_abc_> *fine
[04:10:38] <XXCoder> its cheap
[04:10:58] <XXCoder> will evenually move on to drivers and parallel port breaker board
[04:11:03] <XXCoder> far better.
[04:11:29] <XXCoder> archivist: did you see my earlier question?
[04:12:10] <XXCoder> _abc_: yes heh
[04:12:50] <XXCoder> hm I wonder if arc has me on his ignore lol
[04:12:50] <archivist> XXCoder, or move to better couplers
[04:13:07] <_abc_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/19/16/3766F1AC00000578-0-image-a-28_1471621492818.jpg <off topic> wow the .cn are trying to build a hotel in a quarry. That will work but what do they THINK with. Waterfall as pictured in there will mean permanent 100% RH in the whole hole in the ground.
[04:13:12] <archivist> I dont have anyone on ignore on any channel
[04:13:28] <XXCoder> oh theres earlier question too lol but yeah should do that too. I still have set of couplers from earlier buys. might try use that.
[04:13:31] <_abc_> XXCoder: archivist sometimes answers slowly.
[04:14:12] <XXCoder> thats awesome abc it will be able to supply their own power at all time, and sell surplus
[04:16:01] <XXCoder> archivist: question was <XXCoder> acceration, increase or decrease to smooth it out?
[04:17:43] <archivist> with steppers it is important to not run at resonance, so accelerate through resonance as fast as possible, but... within the motor and cutting load limits
[04:18:13] <XXCoder> hmm big issue with my machine is that it can run smoothly at pretty high speeds
[04:18:14] <_abc_> That does not work. Going through resonance loses steps and then stalls above it
[04:18:17] <XXCoder> like 300mm/s
[04:18:19] <archivist> microstepping helps reduce resonance
[04:18:42] <_abc_> I know but with 400 step motors and 600rpm I am pushing the output coupler's frequency limit
[04:18:50] <_abc_> 4kHz already
[04:18:54] <XXCoder> but then it have peaks of resourance at 6-7 mm/s and 17 mm/s something. thats right at speed ranges I want to use regularly
[04:18:59] <_abc_> On a cheapo interface. Will look into it
[04:19:29] <archivist> the best way is throw steppers in the bin and move to servo
[04:19:33] <_abc_> I am going to try fast decay, mechanical dampers, lower current setting and probably microstepping 1:2 or 1:4
[04:19:45] <_abc_> archivist: I agree, given money and time.
[04:19:50] <XXCoder> no servo is small enough for my machoine
[04:19:56] <XXCoder> so far I can see anyway
[04:20:06] <XXCoder> I would love to have servos.
[04:20:09] <archivist> XXCoder, actually there are DC motors small enough
[04:20:14] <_abc_> XXCoder: don't say that. They make ultrasonic servo motors which fit inside camera lens *walls*
[04:20:43] <XXCoder> yeah? I dont see any on market? I cant make servos myself out of dc motors if thats what it takes?
[04:20:50] <archivist> I have a a pile of small DC servos waiting to play with
[04:20:53] <XXCoder> unless im misunderstanding "dc motors"
[04:21:17] <archivist> not all DC motors are designed for servo use
[04:21:20] <XXCoder> is there nema23 standard so I can directly mount without adoptors?
[04:22:21] <archivist> adoptors someone adopting children, adapters a mechanical device to adapt
[04:24:03] <_abc_> archivist: mechanical devices to adapt children?
[04:24:05] <_abc_> :)
[04:24:19] <XXCoder> I remember this groaner joke about gay transformers and adoptors
[04:24:26] <_abc_> XXCoder: the dc motor is just one part of a servo. The other parts are feedback device and servo pid/fuzzy controller
[04:24:29] <XXCoder> it was bad :P I wont google it
[04:25:10] <XXCoder> ahh
[04:25:12] <archivist> actually a servo DC motor has guaranteed commutation
[04:25:22] <XXCoder> so basically servo = dc motor + encoder
[04:25:23] <XXCoder> ?
[04:25:24] <_abc_> archivist: are smoke detectors mandatory in uk? In kitchen/washroom area?
[04:25:44] <archivist> _abc_, might be in new build
[04:26:05] <_abc_> archivist: won't an insurer make you install it in an older dwelling when insured?
[04:26:22] <archivist> not aware of that
[04:26:32] <XXCoder> I was thinking grandfathered in law but while I know usa has it, I dunno about his country
[04:26:34] <_abc_> Weird island ;)
[04:27:03] <archivist> local fire brigade comes out to fit them free
[04:27:14] <XXCoder> I have special deaf alarm
[04:27:28] <XXCoder> very bight flashes. hgmm gonna test it tomorrow, havent tested for months
[04:28:12] <archivist> I had a couple, they both failed with too many false alarms so took them down
[04:28:30] <XXCoder> really? mine never flashed once in years I owned it
[04:28:43] <XXCoder> my deaf alarm clock is 25 years old
[04:28:54] <XXCoder> older than some people here probably lol
[04:30:27] <XXCoder> sadly its irreplaceable. :( nobody makes alarms with plugs in it now
[04:31:16] <archivist> there are people around fixing old clocks, even electric ones
[04:31:37] <archivist> I have repaired some
[04:31:40] <XXCoder> cool
[04:32:09] <XXCoder> hey maybe you can make new model one. just need to have 120w output plug in back for whatever device user wanna use to wake up
[04:32:35] <XXCoder> I use mine with 2 led lamps
[04:33:36] <archivist> you could even hack a coffee machine or any other plug in timer
[04:33:53] <XXCoder> I suppose lol
[04:35:08] <_abc_> Meh it's not like you can't buy a programmable electrical timer and pretend it's a clock
[04:35:20] <_abc_> Can even be set to not wake you at 0730 on weekends
[04:36:00] <_abc_> So they do make clocks with 120V/220V plugs... they are just no longer marketing them as cunningly as they did when they sold you that XXCoder. Look for digital programmable timer?
[04:36:35] <XXCoder> they discountined the product. so far I know theres no new device. its always the rod type plug in for vibration alarms
[04:36:46] <XXCoder> I am REALLY sensive to vibration and reacts badly to that
[04:37:46] <_abc_> What's stopping you from buying one of these and putting it in a nice box (cnc cutout)
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/AC-220V-16A-Digital-Time-Switch-CN101A-LCD-Power-Programmable-Timer/32690054608.html
[04:38:01] <XXCoder> hmmm
[04:38:16] <XXCoder> back looks like standard wall box
[04:38:21] <_abc_> yep
[04:38:34] <_abc_> Also there are several models, some are backlit. Is nice at night. Also some are led...
[04:38:42] <XXCoder> do it have battery backup?
[04:38:46] <_abc_> ure
[04:38:49] <_abc_> *Sure
[04:38:57] <XXCoder> backlight means I tape over screen lol
[04:39:14] <_abc_> I can't vouch for the one linked, but most have backup reserve about 2 weeks
[04:39:15] <XXCoder> my alarm clock have had tapes over it for well over decade lol
[04:39:34] <archivist> if your clock is mechanical, take it to bits clean and oil (non drying clock oil)
[04:40:10] <XXCoder> nah its electric type. quite old style now
[04:41:00] <XXCoder> where would I get wires to connect back or is it standard wire connector (forgot name)
[04:41:30] <XXCoder> only puzzlement is how do switch work, just connect wiring to it and it will power?
[04:42:07] <archivist> electric to me means a motorised mechanical
[04:42:21] <XXCoder> ah digital better word then?
[04:42:59] <archivist> define digital, early ones were electric motor and paper flags
[04:43:09] <XXCoder> _abc_: it apparently can set pulse from 1 second to almost 100 minutes
[04:43:42] <XXCoder> circuit board type, its a requirement because it controls a 120v plug by flashing it when alarm is on
[04:44:55] <archivist> electronic digital, can be dedicated circuit or ttl or cmos, even a microprocessor
[04:45:14] <XXCoder> yeah dunno what mine is heh
[04:45:31] <archivist> any reasonable electronic engineer can fix
[04:45:41] <archivist> if parts available
[04:45:56] <XXCoder> cool. its not likely to break anytime soon it seems though :)
[04:46:58] <XXCoder> lol that seller says "will return your full winning bid amount"... I guess guy reuses it from ebay or something
[04:47:23] <_abc_> XXCoder: normally the timers and clocks all have mains rated screw contacts on the back
[04:47:33] <_abc_> Just like any light switch
[04:48:34] <_abc_> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Digital-LCD-Power-Programmable-Timer-Switch-Controller-16A-12V-For-LED-Strip-Lights/103404_32422415012.html this one has spade contacts
[04:48:37] <XXCoder> well its good to have backup plans, thanks guys
[05:09:00] <jthornton> morning
[05:09:07] <XXCoder> night
[05:09:13] <XXCoder> how goes things
[05:09:58] <jthornton> got the garage door, now I need to do some prep work and install it
[05:10:16] <XXCoder> youre doing GREAT work on my shed man
[05:10:34] <jthornton> I'll email it to you when I'm done
[05:10:40] <XXCoder> lol
[05:10:49] <XXCoder> I so want a shed :(
[05:12:09] <_abc_> dogshed? ;)
[05:13:03] <XXCoder> woof.
[05:14:40] <jthornton> naw just a little tool shed
[05:15:03] <XXCoder> dog';s tool shed
[05:15:07] <XXCoder> ruff!
[05:15:18] <XXCoder> its great for ruff! wood work.
[05:32:20] <jthornton> self rebooting pc... it's not the OS, memory, video card, power supply or hard drive so I'm left with keyboard, mouse, and motherboard
[05:33:58] <XXCoder> you sure power supply isnt noisy?
[05:34:12] <_abc_> jthornton: it's the cnc attached to it? ;)
[05:34:19] <jthornton> I changed power supplies
[05:34:30] <jthornton> no it's just a work station
[05:34:45] <_abc_> motherboard is most likely. How old.
[05:34:46] <jthornton> what do you mean noisy?
[05:35:31] <jthornton> asus P5DL/EPU
[05:36:55] <jthornton> or a P5QL/EPU even
[05:43:28] <_abc_> http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/books/book-reviews/many-u-s-routes-follow-original-indian-pathways-and-other-things-we-learned-from-robert-moors-on-trails "A study once pitted 40 cattle against a computer program and the B.I. (Bovine Intelligence) beat the computer by more than 10 per cent." ;)
[05:59:48] <_abc_> Computers worry me. Any computer can be at most as intelligent as its maker. Then it can learn to be stupid or get into random data generation and execution and far exceed his maker.
[06:00:58] <jthornton> it's good to see you again Dr. Chandler
[06:01:30] <XXCoder> computers are smarter than us
[06:01:41] <XXCoder> it just cant do actual thinking
[06:08:37] <JesusAlos> Hi
[06:08:59] <XXCoder> hey
[06:09:22] <jthornton> I guess I could try clearing the CMOS memory
[06:10:35] <JesusAlos> Do you know where is the linuxcnc programming code where PWM is generated?
[06:11:17] <JesusAlos> I have curiosity for understand how linuxcnc generate PWM pulses
[06:11:57] <XXCoder> no idea :)
[06:12:10] <JesusAlos> oh
[06:13:11] <jthornton> installed or a RIP?
[06:14:26] <jthornton> /src/hal/components/pwmgen.c for a RIP
[06:24:56] <jthornton> did he leave?
[06:25:35] <XXCoder> nope
[06:48:15] <jthornton> java keeps wanting to install an update on my xp machine but it does not support xp any more lol
[06:50:16] <XXCoder> java suck
[06:51:14] <jthornton> yea I hate it
[06:51:33] <jthornton> I have a web cam that almost runs on it sometimes when it feels like it
[06:51:57] <jthornton> but it only works on one of 5 pc's I've tried it on lol
[06:52:10] <archivist> move webcams to linux :)
[06:52:19] <jthornton> how
[06:53:05] <archivist> I use something called motion which "sees" a proportion of webcams, not all
[06:53:37] <archivist> also it detects motion so usable for security
[06:54:22] <jthornton> http://lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome
[06:54:25] <jthornton> that one?
[06:54:51] <XXCoder> I want one where I can control timing, like one picture per hour or whatever
[06:55:22] <jthornton> does it work with an ethernet camera?
[06:56:15] <jthornton> https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-motion-detection-webcam-ubuntu/
[06:56:54] <archivist> the one on this box (old) is 3.2.9
[06:58:06] <archivist> yes is that first one you pointed at
[06:58:37] <archivist> does rather fill a disk given half a chance :)
[07:10:37] <XXCoder> LOL
http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/1/6/7/568167_v1.gif
[07:10:56] <XXCoder> sorry dolphin you have to buy your own
[07:12:31] <JesusAlos> Sorry
[07:12:35] <JesusAlos> I'm here
[07:14:41] <JesusAlos> jthornton: Thank
[07:14:46] <JesusAlos> What mean RIP
[07:14:47] <JesusAlos> ?
[07:17:47] <archivist> run in place
[07:20:01] <JesusAlos> I see
[07:26:04] <nubcake_> Can anyone tell me, how to export a config file from Mach3, never worked with it at all :/ I want to export the configuration so i can import it into linuxcnc.
[07:27:53] <nubcake_> does it contain multiple files or do i just need to copy one file to the linux-machine and import it through the wizard?
[07:28:55] <JesusAlos> I'm don't think you can do that work so easy like export from Mach3 and import to linuxcnc. The files don't be compatibles.
[07:29:55] <nubcake_> JesusAlos, thanks :(
[07:29:58] <JesusAlos> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html
[07:30:29] <JesusAlos> This config file information from linuxcnc side. I can't help you about Mach3.
[07:31:12] <nubcake_> yeah, i do know the linux part of it, but i'm not familiar with mach3.. some guy said i could just export -> import the configs through a wizard like gui on linux.. but i guess he was wrong then
[07:31:30] <XXCoder> if it comes down to it you could record settings
[07:31:49] <JesusAlos> Any body have experience in this harware?
[07:31:49] <JesusAlos> Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone Black or Intel Edison
[07:32:12] <JesusAlos> What is bette to run in cnc machines?
[07:32:13] <nubcake_> i do use a raspberry pi running grblweb on my small mill
[07:32:36] <nubcake_> but i had to attach a cnc-shield to it
[07:32:47] <JesusAlos> Don't appear run time delay message?
[07:32:52] <nubcake_> protoneer cnc-hat for raspberry-pi i think
[07:33:01] <nubcake_> i didn't get any delay messages so far
[07:35:29] <nubcake_> i'm running it on a gen. 1 raspberry, working fine so far the web interface is a nice feature too
[07:35:44] <JesusAlos> I see
[07:37:27] <nubcake_> the only thing i have to find a workaround for.. is the level-probe i used before, it runs on 24volts but the raspberry and the cnc shield input ports only allow a max. of 5v
[07:40:14] <JesusAlos> Beaglebone Black seems have goods cnc-shield
[07:40:57] <archivist> nubcake, there is an importer, just trying to find it
[07:41:15] <nubcake> archivist, oh that would save my day so much :P
[07:45:26] <archivist> nubcake, part of stepconf these days
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html
[07:45:41] <nubcake> oh sweet <3 that's good news
[07:45:53] <nubcake> so i just have to throw in the proper *.xml file i guess?
[07:46:10] <archivist> I have never used it
[07:46:19] <nubcake> i'll try and report back then :)
[07:46:26] <nubcake> thanks for the info man!
[07:47:37] <nubcake> brb in a few (cnc computer doesn't have internet access yet since i still haven't run new lines into that room :( )
[08:02:16] <Polymorphism> need to put this thing together
[08:33:56] <Loetmichel> nubcake: thats what wifi is for ;)
[09:28:22] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[09:33:55] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-09.jpg
[09:42:51] <malcom2073> I want one of those someday
[09:44:48] <JT-Shop> did you see the part I bent? that's not a piece of channel
[09:45:46] <malcom2073> Negative
[09:46:26] <JT-Shop> sitting on the bottom of the press
[09:48:27] <malcom2073> Ohh haha
[09:48:30] <malcom2073> Nice
[09:49:16] <Tom_itx> it grew up a bit...
http://www.gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/old-press-brake.jpg
[09:49:50] <zeeshan|3> :D
[09:50:01] <Tom_itx> hi z
[09:50:05] <zeeshan|3> hi
[09:59:09] <malcom2073> Indeed it did
[10:01:29] <JT-Shop> yea the old one is a pos
[10:02:19] <zeeshan|3> hi tom
[10:02:32] <Tom_itx> hi
[11:07:40] <Contract_Pilot> I need to get these Sherline working...
[11:13:39] <FloppyDisk525> plug it in...
[11:13:52] <Deejay> switch the power-switch to "on"! :)
[11:14:11] <FloppyDisk525> Oh, yeah. that, too...
[11:16:09] <archivist> missed a step, make sure fire extinguisher is ready and in reach
[11:46:39] <JT-Shop> press brake done, oil change done, mess cleaned up... nap time
[11:58:52] <FloppyDisk525> sweet - congrats. very jealous...
[12:05:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chicago-Dreis-Krump-Model-68-B-Press-Brake-/262564885343 what was the story on these with changes to the safety regs?
[12:20:27] <SpeedEvil> use a disposable worker?
[12:21:13] <SpeedEvil> https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/machineguarding/presses/press_brake.html ?
[12:31:35] <CaptHindsight> might have been the insurance industry...
[12:32:30] <CaptHindsight> people were selling certain types for just around scrap prices since they could not keep their shop insured if they had them
[12:32:46] <SpeedEvil> OHSA seems to be pretty much saying 'arrange safety measures so workers can't get their hands into the works'
[12:33:06] <CaptHindsight> might be just the electric clutch types
[12:35:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.briarpress.org/18358
[12:35:22] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, the Federal Government has decided that a flywheel-operated, hand-fed platen press cannot be “properly guarded.”
[12:36:16] <CaptHindsight> thats the type
[13:40:52] <JT-Shop> and zoneminder has the settings for my cheap ip camera
[13:45:48] <Duc_mobile> enleth: adjusting the hi/low lever cleared a 99 percent of the noise up in the spindle head
[13:50:01] <enleth> Duc_mobile: good for you
[13:53:29] <Duc_mobile> enleth: not to many forums discuss the issue
[13:55:22] <Duc_mobile> or the adjustment of that lever
[14:03:19] <CaptHindsight> heh, the marlin firmware devs don't call it JOGGING, it's called "manual moves from panel"
[14:04:51] <CaptHindsight> just panel not control panel or GUI panel, just plain panel
[14:07:17] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: how heavy a gauge can you go with stainless in your new brake?
[14:14:29] <_methods> CaptHindsight: the rolling key clutch presses are the ones you can't get insurance with
[14:14:42] <_methods> bout all you'll get for them is scrap now
[14:15:28] <CaptHindsight> _methods: they use a flywheel and clutch or any motor and clutch?
[14:16:04] <_methods> they were typically flywheel machines
[14:16:20] <_methods> specifically the rolling key clutch style machines
[14:16:29] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6q34XHP5Aw
[14:16:37] <_methods> lot of people lost body parts to those things
[14:16:47] <CaptHindsight> no way to stop them once engaged
[14:16:52] <_methods> yeah
[14:16:53] <CaptHindsight> well easilt stop them
[14:16:59] <CaptHindsight> easily
[14:18:05] <CaptHindsight> I hate having to go outside for SS control cabinets
[14:21:24] <CaptHindsight> laser cutter + TIG vs press brake
[14:21:58] <CaptHindsight> and you still want the laser for cutouts
[14:22:16] <CaptHindsight> but bending is faster than TIG
[14:27:28] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: the dies I have are for 11ga steel
[14:28:09] <JT-Shop> and it's a 50 ton press and the brake is 30" wide
[14:29:56] <CaptHindsight> I have a 30" shear that I though was too small when I first got it...
[14:30:35] <CaptHindsight> but I just order my sheet stock in 30" and I haven't had problems
[14:31:29] <CaptHindsight> if I had to work with higher volumes of material I'd need 48" min to work with 48" x 96" or 120" sheets
[14:40:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chicago-D-K-55-Ton-x-8-Press-Brake/122090802704 $5k
[14:41:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any idea what the 8' dies cost?
[14:45:59] <_methods> just depends on the v size
[14:46:08] <_methods> bigger V = more $$$
[14:46:18] <_methods> same goes for punches
[14:46:24] <_methods> the more metal the more $$$
[14:46:44] <_methods> a small V 8' might run $2k
[14:46:52] <_methods> new
[14:47:18] <_methods> 8' of like trump dies even small v are probably more like $5k
[14:47:28] <_methods> trumpf
[14:47:47] <_methods> trump is too busy making america great again to make press brake dies
[14:49:08] <CaptHindsight> if I get one I'll be sure to get it with the 90 deg dies
[14:49:53] <_methods> well that depends on what your bending but 90 should be good for most stuff
[14:50:05] <_methods> acute bends will require acute dies
[14:50:19] <CaptHindsight> 90 deg most often, 99.9% of the time
[14:50:20] <_methods> but if you're not overbending or hemming than 90's should be ifne
[14:50:22] <_methods> fine
[15:20:04] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: what kind of sheetmetal stuff are you making?
[15:20:05] <enleth> Duc_mobile: to be honest, I should have remembered to tell you about it
[15:20:20] <enleth> Duc_mobile: my bridgeport came with a service manual that includes this exact procedure
[15:20:26] <enleth> Duc_mobile: but I forgot about it
[15:28:55] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: control cabinets, printer cabinets, ovens etc
[15:29:03] <JT-Shop> cool
[15:29:24] <CaptHindsight> laser + TIG is good enough for now
[15:29:27] <JT-Shop> you make powder coat ovens?
[15:32:32] <CaptHindsight> I can, these are ovens for SLS printers
[15:32:42] <CaptHindsight> the laser shoots through a window
[15:32:42] <zeeshan|3> its cheap to get thin sheet bent
[15:32:44] <zeeshan|3> outsourced
[15:33:04] <zeeshan|3> have you tried that?
[15:33:04] <CaptHindsight> the oven is where the powders are
[15:33:29] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|3: really, I never would have thought of that :)
[15:33:43] <zeeshan|3> CaptHindsight: 24"x24"x12"h box
[15:33:46] <zeeshan|3> to fold that up
[15:33:49] <CaptHindsight> it's actually a pain
[15:33:49] <zeeshan|3> its costs $5
[15:33:53] <zeeshan|3> me
[15:34:01] <zeeshan|3> no point in buying a brake press
[15:34:13] <zeeshan|3> can't justify the cost yet
[15:34:28] <zeeshan|3> 16 ga steel
[15:36:01] <CaptHindsight> it's a pain when you have lots of cutouts
[15:36:14] <zeeshan|3> got an example?
[15:37:02] <CaptHindsight> and they aren't circles
[15:37:14] <CaptHindsight> and you have to change things at the last minute
[17:07:21] <Deejay> gn8
[17:17:49] <Duc_mobile> enleth: no problem, at least I got to tear down the mill and so more of the inner pieces
[17:17:57] <Duc_mobile> see more of the inner pieces
[17:25:13] <enleth> Duc_mobile: ok, so at least you'll now know that what you did is the proper service procedure for this condition
[17:25:37] <Duc_mobile> I happen to come across it while browsing for the replacement parts
[17:27:05] <enleth> double confirmed then
[17:40:26] <jesseg> howdy TurBoss
[17:41:24] <jesseg> djdelorie, you be around?
[17:55:35] <UnfinishedBusine> Hello, I have a really good start on a CAD CAM program thats multi platform and completely free/open source. I aim for it to be comparable to mastercam v8 in features. Im looking for some traction on the project and want to know if anyone is interested in taking a look at it
[17:57:04] <JT-Shop> you might post a link on the forum in the cad/cam area
[17:57:38] <TurBoss> try blendercam
[18:02:11] <UnfinishedBusine> Ill post a link on the form in a little while. I'm sure blender cam is great for a lot of things but i didn't feel like it was really built for precise engineering projects
[18:04:24] <UnfinishedBusine> Meanwhile, its at github.com/UnfinishedBusiness/ProfileCAD
[18:10:58] <TurBoss> freecad 0.17 has a development version of Path workbench
[18:11:08] <TurBoss> is in early state
[18:11:13] <TurBoss> haven't tested sry
[18:13:12] <djdelorie> jesseg, yes
[18:17:19] <JT-Shop> I'll take a peek at it in the morning during free time
[18:19:43] <UnfinishedBusine> I gave freecad a good hard try but got frustrated, I think there going in the right direction though. I use Mastercam every day at work and its fantastic. The problem is its not free and it requires windows. Theres not much else thats free that measures up to it in my opinion
[18:25:54] <zeeshan|3> i agree
[18:25:56] <zeeshan|3> mastercam FTW
[18:28:41] <TurBoss> I use CimatronE 11
[18:29:38] <TurBoss> a work choice
[18:29:46] <TurBoss> not mine
[18:29:52] <TurBoss> but a good soft
[18:32:05] <UnfinishedBusine> cimatron is great but way over blown for hobbyist work on the side. I don't really plan on ever adding full blown 3d modeling.
[18:33:26] <TurBoss> my machines ar a quasser with a heidenhain Control and a Fadal
[18:34:26] <UnfinishedBusine> Im not familiar with the heidenhain, But I do run a 4 axis Fadal often
[18:37:12] <TurBoss> L code
[18:37:45] <TurBoss> I think
[18:55:30] <jesseg> djdelorie, I was googling and reading about things yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised to come across a video interview of you about gEDA! I had not known that you worked on that! Of course I ended up then at your website browsing around enjoying more things there.
[18:55:47] <djdelorie> glad I could entertain you :-)
[18:55:52] <andypugh> The olympics finish soon. I can go back to sleeping at night.
[18:56:10] <jesseg> Actually I had been looking for info about the BXL footprint library format LOL
[18:56:12] <djdelorie> was kinda expecting a cnc question, though...
[18:57:32] <XXCoder> holy crap I'm alive
[18:58:06] <jesseg> djdelorie, It was fun to see all the similarities in the things we've done (except mine are much more primitive) but I too have been working on an open source 2D cad program for PCBs, making servo motor controllers (Mostly brushed, but one brushless), etc.
[19:00:05] <jesseg> XXCoder, yeah I guess so!
[19:00:18] <XXCoder> nah I'm kidding
[19:00:28] <XXCoder> hows things
[19:00:51] <jesseg> perddy good here. Nice and toasty warm
[19:01:03] <XXCoder> here it is little too toasty
[19:02:16] <XXCoder> went o minor deaf event at park, chatted and stuff
[19:03:48] <jesseg> djdelorie, actaully I can ask a cnc question too. One of the features I want to add to my PCB program is the ability to generate gcodes for routing around traces and polygons and stuff.. I have no problem routing around a single object, but obviously several may overlap or intersect - what's the best approach to solving that? The purpose is to CNC mill around traces for echless quick turn test PCB
[19:04:07] <jesseg> XXCoder, so is that like an event for deaf people under the age of 18?
[19:04:09] <djdelorie> dunno, but geda's pcb has a gcode exporter, you could look at that
[19:04:16] <XXCoder> jesseg: hm no
[19:04:20] <djdelorie> I think they convert to bitmap first
[19:04:22] <XXCoder> any age
[19:04:29] <XXCoder> I'm 40 after all :P
[19:04:39] <jesseg> are you deaf?
[19:04:52] <XXCoder> for last 40 years yeah
[19:04:55] <jesseg> I'd just never heard of a minor deaf event
[19:05:08] <XXCoder> minor as in not major event
[19:05:14] <XXCoder> just meet to chat have fun and all
[19:05:30] <XXCoder> I guess maybe 40 people come in
[19:05:51] <jesseg> djdelorie, haha yeah I thought of converting to raster then following edges, but am interested in a more exacting less hackish approach :D
[19:06:07] <jesseg> XXCoder, ahh OK gotcha.
[19:06:30] <djdelorie> there are polygon libraries you can download to merg/cut/intersect/etc polygons, probably need to use something like that
[19:06:52] <jesseg> yeah probably
[19:06:53] <XXCoder> jesseg: I rarely go to social events lol not much of social person
[19:07:42] <jesseg> XXCoder, I hear ya. Last time I went to a social event I went by myself. There's a local recreation area here with a river that goes through many big trees and rocks and you can explore all over :P
[19:07:56] <XXCoder> it was at nice park with small lake
[19:08:07] <XXCoder> after event I stayed and walked around lake. thats 1.2 mile walk
[19:08:15] <jesseg> yeah sounds great
[19:08:17] <XXCoder> then went refuel my van then went home
[19:08:47] <XXCoder> lake is slowly eaten by lilypads and problem with algae :(
[19:09:03] <XXCoder> they could add netered carp or 2 algae will be pretty good recuded
[19:09:07] <jesseg> haha that's the way those two plants work.
[19:10:10] <jesseg> Why not add some fully outfitted carp?
[19:10:31] <XXCoder> dunno I have seen lakes ruined by carp
[19:10:38] <jesseg> ahh OK
[19:10:41] <XXCoder> KOI is pretty evil too
[19:10:48] <XXCoder> and surpising, goldfishes
[19:10:52] <jesseg> maybe some 4 foot long catfish
[19:11:10] <jesseg> add some real excitement to the mix
[19:11:45] <XXCoder> http://www.businessinsider.com/giant-goldfish-problem-in-australia-and-colorado-2016-8
[19:11:45] <XXCoder> check it out
[19:12:09] <XXCoder> see the 4 pounbd goldfish
[19:12:26] <jesseg> hahahahahaha
[19:12:37] <jesseg> oh that's hilarious
[19:12:50] <XXCoder> in a way yes but in a way its bad :(
[19:12:58] <XXCoder> they can wipe other species
[19:13:30] <jesseg> they eat up all the food?
[19:13:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:13:52] <XXCoder> https://static6.businessinsider.com/image/552675776bb3f7350140d7b8-826-440/goldfish%20lake.jpg
[19:13:58] <XXCoder> look how many fishes there are
[19:14:24] <jesseg> I guess they are more fit as a species -- they have symbiotic relationship with some larger brained species who transport little goldfishies to greener pastures
[19:14:24] <XXCoder> carp is actually worse, it eats its weight in food everyday
[19:14:45] <XXCoder> koi eats less but it lives for very long time
[19:15:40] <XXCoder> koi can live over 200 years
[19:16:18] <jesseg> haha
[19:20:11] <jesseg> Most live 20-30 years, maybe up to 70. Only one is said to have lived over 200 years.. I wonder if it really did.. Born in 1751, grandpa could say anything he wanted about his pet fish and who'd know better :P
[19:20:54] <XXCoder> usa is 240 years old imange that
[19:21:12] <XXCoder> heh it will always be easy for me to remember usa age
[19:25:31] <jesseg> I wonder how big that old fish got. It was a variety that grows really fast
[19:26:02] <XXCoder> it grows in logigram style
[19:26:11] <XXCoder> it grows fast then slow and slower
[19:26:19] <jesseg> if the fastest growing fish lived for 230 years though it'd still have to be huge :D
[19:26:39] <XXCoder> lobsters is one that never stop growing, and is literal immortal (they only die from dieases or being eaten)
[19:26:57] <XXCoder> they found one that was 150 years old then returned it to ocean
[19:27:04] <jesseg> lol
[19:27:29] <jesseg> I dunno... those gold fish are awful pretty in there.
[19:27:52] <XXCoder> though yeah while lobsters keep growing they dont get really huge./
[19:28:04] <XXCoder> ponentally we have never found a 500 year one though lol
[19:29:39] <jesseg> and if the gold fish get to be 2 pounds, that's bigger than most trout people fish for... just let people catch them. Help the starving population, give some fun to underprivileged children, and enjoy that sometimes the survival of the fittest makes a dazzling show in a lake :D
[19:30:12] <XXCoder> grant unlimited fishing for goldfishes
[19:30:23] <jesseg> exactly
[19:30:27] <XXCoder> http://cdn.maxanimal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/turtle-hat.jpg
[19:30:42] <jesseg> hahaha super cute
[19:30:46] <XXCoder> lady turtle is over 140 years old. her son on her head is days old
[19:31:15] <XXCoder> supposely anyway. one says its a myth but provides no proof. those breed can have kids for hundreds of years
[19:35:17] <jesseg> hahahaha. just watching some colorado wildlife videos about the terrible gold fish invasion. They don't like the gold fish but they also don't want people coming in to catch them because they might upset the fragile environment :D
[19:35:37] <XXCoder> thats too bad
[19:35:58] <XXCoder> I'd suggest predator fish but do you remember that old kid book about old lady and fly?
[19:36:34] <jesseg> I mean have a little faith in the system guys.. I mean leave the fish, or let the humans fish.. In the end, the most fit will survive and it'll work itself out to however works itself out which is just fine LOL
[19:36:45] <jesseg> I don't remember that book.
[19:36:55] <XXCoder> lol well basic idea
[19:37:06] <XXCoder> old lady acciently intales a fly
[19:37:17] <XXCoder> she then gets umm frog? to go in and eat it
[19:37:21] <jesseg> LOL oh okay sometimes I sing that and play my guitar
[19:37:25] <jesseg> Burl Ives did it
[19:37:26] <XXCoder> so on and on
[19:37:49] <XXCoder> forgot exact plot but premise is youre trying to solve by adding more stuff that add more problems
[19:41:07] <jesseg> yeah - she swallows a spider to catch the fly, then a bird, followed by a cat, a dog, a goat, a cow, and finally a horse.
[19:43:27] <XXCoder> she dies at end or what? forgot if she did lol
[19:46:49] <jesseg> yes
[19:47:21] <jesseg> "She swallowed the cow to get the goat, she swallowed the horse to get the cow. She's dead of course."
[19:48:29] <XXCoder> cat is where it goes borderline impossible
[19:48:36] <XXCoder> dog is too hard, and goat hah
[19:49:45] <XXCoder> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23-m-dc-servo-motor/3-axis-nema34
[19:49:47] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:49:51] <XXCoder> expensive too :P
[20:17:46] <XXCoder> amazing to finally see it complete.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v_JFd3YRzU
[20:17:49] <XXCoder> looks good
[20:22:57] <andypugh> Not wanting to appear churlish, but I have seen far better model traction engines
[20:23:14] <XXCoder> andypugh: hes handcrafted.
[20:23:16] <XXCoder> *its
[20:23:26] <XXCoder> he made each and each part of it himself
[20:23:39] <andypugh> Yes
[20:24:16] <andypugh> As did my dad’s mate Wynne. He made exact-scale bolts to hold his together.
[20:24:22] <XXCoder> nice
[20:24:42] <XXCoder> I watched that entire video series as he made it though, from castings to this final video
[20:24:56] <XXCoder> and there is ALWAYS someone who can do better basically
[20:25:37] <andypugh> Wynnes wheels were made exactl like the real ones, but smaller. AFAIK there were no one-piece cast traction-engine wheels.
[20:25:50] <andypugh> Which, actually, has me wondering why.
[20:27:47] <andypugh> Don’t get me wrong, Myfordboy is one of my YouTube subscriptions, but there are others who take scale modelling far further.
[20:27:48] <XXCoder> dunno, its toy really
[20:28:05] <XXCoder> I dont think its supposed to be specific train model
[20:33:09] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: automationtechnologies is a 45 min drive for me an I buy there less and less
[20:33:40] <XXCoder> high prices? where would be better place to buy nema23 standard servos?
[20:33:43] <CaptHindsight> just too much junk that doesn't last or is bad when I pick it up
[20:34:34] <CaptHindsight> I've never gotten a good bearing on the first try. I have to sort through what they have.
[20:35:09] <CaptHindsight> the stepper drives are the only things that have lasted
[20:35:22] <XXCoder> jeez heh
[20:35:34] <CaptHindsight> stepper motor have stripped screws holding them together
[20:36:03] <XXCoder> I guess they sell chinese specials at usa made prices
[20:36:43] <CaptHindsight> I had to swap out a motor today that was noisy, 3 of the 4 screws that hold the back to the front were stripped and only had 3 threads holding them
[20:37:28] <CaptHindsight> so buyer beware
[20:37:47] <CaptHindsight> after a few years they cost me more than saved me
[20:38:01] <XXCoder> so wheres better place?
[20:41:22] <XXCoder> "we have arranged your compensation payment of ($10.5Million) united state dollars to be sent to you through western union money transfer payment: Your payment will sending to you by western union, the amount you will receive per day is $5,000 The minister trust funds of Benin Republic will send you the currently standards track details you need to pick up your ($5,000) payment by western union, you will receive every day till you r
[20:41:23] <XXCoder> eceive the $10.5Million united state dollars."
[20:41:24] <XXCoder> lol
[20:42:34] <zeeshan|3> Tom_itx:
http://i.imgur.com/tVi5YsC.jpg
[20:42:37] <zeeshan|3> hard part done
[20:42:37] <zeeshan|3> :D
[20:42:51] <XXCoder> green thing printed?
[20:42:56] <zeeshan|3> yea
[20:43:03] <zeeshan|3> man this thing was a pain in the ass to replicate
[20:43:06] <zeeshan|3> but finally figured it out
[20:44:37] <Magnifikus> might be a stupid question again, but if i got servos who can get coordianted move commands to pos X every 5ms and steppers on an mesa like stepgen
[20:44:55] <Magnifikus> would it be possible to control the steppers like in a 1ms normal loop and the servos in 5ms?
[20:45:03] <Magnifikus> or would the TP going total nuts?
[20:45:38] <Magnifikus> like i would need the position-cmd for in 5ms for servos and for in 1ms for the steppers right?
[20:49:10] <enleth> anyone here familliar with old (60
[20:49:13] <enleth> damn
[20:49:31] <enleth> old (60s and older) telegraph relay schematics?
[20:49:53] <enleth> I
[20:49:57] <enleth> daaamn
[20:50:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan|3: my 3d printer is built but its X is broken for some reason :(
[20:50:26] <zeeshan|3> broken how
[20:50:31] <enleth> I'm wondering what the numbers like 1000, 2000, 3000 in coil markings mean
[20:50:58] <XXCoder> thats good question, when commanded, it goes randomly go back and forth
[20:51:10] <XXCoder> it may be bad wiring but its new so dunnp
[21:02:11] <Duc_mobile> writing resume suck hard to get experiences across
[21:02:57] <BeachBumPete> agreed...personally I despise the whole idea of a resume
[21:05:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:07:26] <Duc_mobile> hard to pass on the knowledge of fixture design with the electronics included
[21:25:22] <BeachBumPete> watching Batman versus Superman and still cant figure out what the point is of two superheroes battling each other but oh well ;)
[21:30:55] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: its tradition
[21:30:59] <XXCoder> each time heros they fight
[21:31:14] <XXCoder> *meet
[21:32:06] <BeachBumPete> I spose
[21:49:48] <andypugh> Duc_mobile: Oddly, I have never found it hard to write my CV (what we call a resumé in the UK)
[21:50:14] <andypugh> You just turn off modesty, and say what you are good at
[21:50:37] <Duc_mobile> hard for me to put it into words
[21:50:53] <pfred1> Duc_mobile your text looks like words to me
[21:50:54] <Duc_mobile> my experiences are a little unique and broad compared to most popele
[21:51:37] <Duc_mobile> most mechanical engineers dont have a strong background in electronics or the amount of troublshooting experience. I do miss working on flight simulators some
[22:02:20] <pfred1> out of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most.
[22:04:21] <enleth> Duc_mobile: this sounds like some very good resume material
[22:04:45] <andypugh> Duc_mobile: PM?
[22:05:19] <enleth> Duc_mobile: this means you can talk with people outside of your department/team on equal terms if your employer does stuff that's both mechanical and electronic
[22:06:10] <enleth> Duc_mobile: which is critical around tight deadlines and troubleshooting unforseen problems, it cuts out the usual PM middleman who introduces noise between mechanical and electrical engineers working on the same project
[22:06:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|3 that pic wouldn't load for me
[22:06:26] <pfred1> woo woo it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqUpuAK-tQ&feature=youtu.be
[22:17:02] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ffiCekhpE
[22:18:59] <XXCoder> defnitely faster.
[22:19:53] <XXCoder> lol 10x left side looks slower than right one still.
[22:20:10] <XXCoder> *10x left looks slower than 1x right one still
[22:23:03] <mutilator> just got my rotary going today
[22:23:23] <mutilator> need to figure out how to get more Z now
[22:23:53] <XXCoder> whats your machine look like
[22:23:53] <SpeedEvil> counting sheep
[22:24:16] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: btw counting sheep keeps your logical thinking brain awake. not good way to sleep ;)
[22:24:50] <SpeedEvil> i find the easiest way to get to sleep is to compute arbitrary mathematical problems.
[22:25:13] <pink_vampire|2> hii everyone
[22:25:39] <SpeedEvil> For example, what is the photon pressure on earth due to solar radiation, and what distance would it reach under that linear accelleration in a billion years
[22:26:23] <XXCoder> ROBOT!!! (does weird mouth and pointing thing
https://offgraun.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/pod-people.jpg )
[22:27:00] <XXCoder> hey pink
[22:29:45] <pink_vampire|2> i've done with the design of the exdruder
[22:31:10] <pink_vampire|2> i need to preper the stock material for it
[22:31:53] <pink_vampire|2> http://i.imgur.com/QDxPJMV.png
[22:32:21] <XXCoder> I see spome small changes
[22:33:56] <pink_vampire|2> stuff that reduce stock material, and make it look nicer, and easy to machine
[22:34:59] <XXCoder> bit of update pink, I checked machine over and stepper for X is very much broken
[22:35:13] <XXCoder> controller dont work with few stuff too, like extrude motor dont move at all
[22:35:42] <pink_vampire|2> how did you kill a stepper?
[22:35:52] <XXCoder> it come pre-brokeb apparently
[22:36:09] <XXCoder> im still slowly removing it from wire wraps
[22:36:56] <pink_vampire|2> i'm not sure what do you mean
[22:37:59] <pink_vampire|2> do you have a picture of the issue?
[22:38:25] <XXCoder> nah it just randomly moves back and forth when commanded to move only one direction
[22:38:42] <pfred1> XXCoder you think that is the motor?
[22:38:57] <XXCoder> its confirmed
[22:39:08] <pfred1> swapping in a new one fixed it?
[22:39:14] <XXCoder> I moved it to different axis on controller and its still sapastic
[22:39:38] <XXCoder> while using Y stepper on X axis it works
[22:39:49] <pfred1> weird
[22:39:55] <XXCoder> controller is broken though as it dont do anything to extruder
[22:40:08] <XXCoder> I moved extruder to X and it works
[22:40:31] <XXCoder> so controller extruder is broken, and X axis stepper is broken
[22:41:07] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: it's sound like wiring issue
[22:41:13] <XXCoder> it might be
[22:41:19] <pfred1> my TrashMaster 3000 CNC machine is kicking ass over here
[22:41:34] <XXCoder> I plan to take a closer look once I remove it from wire wrap
[22:41:40] <XXCoder> any pics pf
[22:42:22] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/t75QZEc.jpg
[22:43:11] <pink_vampire|2> TrashMaster lol
[22:43:31] <pfred1> pink_vampire|2 well, it is mostly made out of garbage
[22:43:35] <XXCoder> pfred1: its not most trashy one I ever seen
[22:43:42] <XXCoder> that belongs to afrotech one
[22:44:01] <pfred1> I was really careful putting mine together
[22:44:09] <pfred1> I used gauge blocks and everything
[22:44:23] <pfred1> trash or not I wanted it to work
[22:44:25] <XXCoder> nice
[22:44:26] <pink_vampire|2> pfred1: now we need to mae the XXCoder machine working
[22:44:31] <XXCoder> wish i had craft skill
[22:44:46] <pfred1> it just takes a lot of time, and patience
[22:44:48] <XXCoder> I need to get printer working to fit nicer spindle to my machine lol
[22:45:10] <LeelooMinai_> I am designing/brainstorming enclosure/shield for my small CNC machine. I want it to shield the workspace from the CNC mostly. Any good ideas for that?
[22:45:16] <pfred1> like when I set up the Y frame I measured back and forth loads of times
[22:46:14] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: send me a cad file of the mount and i will make it for you in aluminum
[22:46:33] <pfred1> I use homemade HDPE
[22:46:47] <pfred1> I melt down empty plastic jugs
[22:46:48] <LeelooMinai_> I don't want to make it too complicated, but it's rather difficult to shield spindle within a plane. Was thinking some stretching material, but not sure if there is anything that would survive many repetitions.
[22:48:13] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai_: honestly most chips go in -30 degree to +30 degree from tool plane
[22:48:46] <XXCoder> add a 2020 frame wall around it and it blocks most of it, though easy enough to make it taller and add ceiling too
[22:48:57] <XXCoder> make front easy to open doors
[22:49:12] <XXCoder> make sure its easy to secure too so it dont open under beating from chips
[22:49:32] <LeelooMinai_> I don't want to enclose the whole CNC - I want to protect the CNC from debris.
[22:49:40] <pfred1> the white plastic in this picture is melted down plastic jugs
http://i.imgur.com/lSsNyBG.jpg
[22:49:52] <XXCoder> oh thats even simpler
[22:50:23] <XXCoder> honestly same design would work too.
[22:50:32] <pfred1> LeelooMinai_ why not just use a vacuum boot?
[22:50:57] <XXCoder> hdpe recycling cool
[22:51:02] <LeelooMinai_> Hmm, simpler? Cannot just put the workplace into some box - I have moving table and spindle of course needs to move around, so it would collide with the "box".
[22:51:04] <pfred1> XXCoder yup
[22:51:20] <XXCoder> did you make it self lubicating by using oil while melting then compressing as much out as possible?
[22:51:33] <pfred1> nah HDPE is oil
[22:51:43] <XXCoder> got a picture lee, of your machine?
[22:51:44] <pfred1> it is catalyzed oil
[22:52:03] <XXCoder> pf oh yeah. I o have 2 hdpe disks, from failed attempt lol
[22:52:11] <pfred1> so it is naturally slippery though blown is more slippery than injected
[22:52:15] <XXCoder> its way too wavey because I did not press it enough
[22:52:26] <pfred1> yeah it warps like crazy
[22:52:30] <LeelooMinai_> XXCoder: It's the one I posted here in the past:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16272619078
[22:52:59] <XXCoder> start with bigger table
[22:53:01] <LeelooMinai_> It's in my bedroom/nerd room though, so cannot make it sprinkle the chips everywhere...
[22:53:13] <pfred1> LeelooMinai_ tarps
[22:53:18] <XXCoder> can attach 2020 frame to table, make ALL sides doors so you can open from any side
[22:53:27] <pfred1> that's what we used to do when we took boards home to clip them
[22:53:28] <XXCoder> of course tarps is vastly cheaper
[22:53:41] <pfred1> because leads would fly all over the place
[22:53:52] <roycroft> just cover the machine with a cloak of invisibility, and you won't see any of the chips and the like
[22:53:54] <LeelooMinai_> XXCoder: You are still talking about encolsing the whole thing...
[22:54:24] <XXCoder> yeah its great idea to enclose it though lol
[22:54:33] <LeelooMinai_> I would want to isolate what's on the table from the rest.
[22:54:57] <XXCoder> "rest" being rest of shop?
[22:55:13] <LeelooMinai_> Rest being the universe I guess:)
[22:55:27] <XXCoder> lol while it is in use, only when not used, or at all times?
[22:55:54] <LeelooMinai_> At all times - something that would enclose the work volume, but let the spindle do the job of course.
[22:55:59] <roycroft> you could get a 3-sided fiberglass shower enclosure, put the machine inside it, and get a shower curtain for the front
[22:56:27] <LeelooMinai_> roycroft: That's enclosing the whole machine...
[22:56:46] <XXCoder> dont think there is way to enclose only workspace. you have to do entire thing or just interior walls few inches high
[22:57:48] <LeelooMinai_> Right, walls are easy, but I was wondering about the top, where the spindle is - as I wrote, I was thinking of some stretchy membrane maybe, but not sure if there's some material that would work.
[22:57:59] <roycroft> it's difficult enclosing just the workpiece
[22:58:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:58:25] <LeelooMinai_> Right, that's why I am fishing for ideas.
[22:58:46] <XXCoder> well
[22:58:55] <XXCoder> you can always o vacuum brush thingy
[22:59:10] <LeelooMinai_> The what? :p
[22:59:16] <roycroft> the bottom line is that making chips is a messy business
[22:59:22] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvRVjYjt_hc
[22:59:26] <pfred1> yup
[22:59:38] <XXCoder> there is many solutions but yeah
[22:59:54] <pfred1> it always comes down to shoveling them up
[23:00:22] <pfred1> I ran a machine where I had to shovel chips out of a tank of oil
[23:00:45] <pfred1> I'd get like 60 gallons or so at the end of a shift
[23:00:50] <LeelooMinai_> XXCoder: lol, that'a a bit constricted though - and I want to have cameras inside on the workpiece, so I doubt it would work well.
[23:01:40] <LeelooMinai_> By judging so far, it won't be easy to come up with something nice, will it be...
[23:01:55] <XXCoder> theres clear brush versions but yeah
[23:02:14] <LeelooMinai_> Unless I put the workpiece in a ballon or something:)
[23:04:15] <XXCoder> maybe
https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/97/63/ce/1c/18/DSCF1228_preview_featured.jpg
[23:04:28] <XXCoder> far less represive but vacuums up bit less
[23:04:38] <LeelooMinai_> I started playing with some ideas, but they probably won't go nowhere:
http://i.imgur.com/QUy3411.png
[23:04:42] <pfred1> I have to figure out why dxf2gcode is making files that trace over multiple times I stopped this after it had gone over everything 3 times
http://i.imgur.com/YjsaF5g.jpg
[23:05:08] <XXCoder> looks nice
[23:05:12] <LeelooMinai_> The volume inside is what the spindle can reach.
[23:05:14] <pfred1> XXCoder thanks
[23:05:31] <pfred1> XXCoder it is them Accuride drawer slides i used
[23:05:38] <XXCoder> you can make coloring book for adults heh
[23:05:40] <pfred1> I got them at a yard sale $5 for 2 pair
[23:06:07] <XXCoder> yeah heard drawer slides can make for pretty accurate rails
[23:06:19] <XXCoder> as long as you bear weight elsewhere and I see you did
[23:06:28] <pfred1> not the sloppy ones that come out of big box stores
[23:06:37] <pfred1> these came off an equipment rack
[23:06:58] <pfred1> someone paid big bucks for them once
[23:06:58] <XXCoder> https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/0d/31/de/7b/24/65mm_Spindle_Vacuum_Attachment_05_preview_featured.jpg
[23:07:14] <pfred1> that someone wasn't me though :)
[23:07:28] <XXCoder> clearest one I see LeelooMinai_
http://hamrx8.com/images/CNC%20Router%20Dust%20Extractor_05.JPG
[23:08:25] <LeelooMinai_> Right, but I have moving table, so not sure how that would work.
[23:08:43] <pfred1> LeelooMinai_ I went with a moving table too it is rigid
[23:09:02] <andypugh> LeelooMinai_: Relativity. The hood can’t tell.
[23:09:29] <pfred1> the inanimate is oblivious
[23:10:07] <andypugh> Never anthropomorphise router hoods. They hate that.
[23:10:37] <pfred1> my router is so noisy I need to get a real spindle
[23:11:19] <LeelooMinai_> Ok, but how about my membrane idea - you think there's something that could work?
[23:12:35] <LeelooMinai_> Would need to be pretty stretchy, not excert too much force, and withstand many stretching cycles...
[23:13:12] <LeelooMinai_> WOuld not really need to be transparent, as I will have camer(s) there anyways.
[23:14:56] <XXCoder> just remember it have to stand up to chip abuse too
[23:15:02] <LeelooMinai_> I could make sides from acrylic or polycarbonate and top from this theoretical membrane.
[23:15:26] <XXCoder> at work old fadal uses shitty plastic screens, I cant see machine running more or less because of chips abuse on it
[23:15:29] <LeelooMinai_> If the membrane was cheap it could be replaceable monthly or whatever.
[23:15:36] <pfred1> well I made some definite progress today
[23:15:59] <XXCoder> me too. X stepper wires is completely unwrapped out now so i can remove it
[23:16:21] <pfred1> XXCoder you should see what i did to make my stepper cables
[23:16:44] <pfred1> talk about wrapped
[23:16:55] <pfred1> I did tight wire lacing on them
[23:17:02] <pfred1> so they look woven
[23:17:14] <XXCoder> wires lacing is nearly lost art
[23:17:28] <pfred1> of course i used string I got off kitty litter bags so garbage
[23:17:39] <XXCoder> http://makezine.com/2009/07/28/lost-knowledge-cable-lacing/
[23:18:10] <pfred1> yup like that only all the wraps next to each other
[23:18:32] <pfred1> so you can't see the wire anymore
[23:18:45] <pfred1> yeah it took a long time
[23:18:56] <pfred1> hours to do each cable
[23:19:05] <XXCoder> im sure the old timey workers it was fast
[23:19:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MORI-SEIKI-MV-35-35-CNC-VMC-W-TOOLING-W-Fanuc-6M/172294871582 $2,500 or best
[23:19:18] <pfred1> oh i was moving when I was doing it
[23:19:27] <pfred1> I don't think anyone has ever done it like I did
[23:19:43] <pfred1> there's no spacing between my wraps
[23:19:53] <pfred1> so they look like cloth cables now
[23:20:20] <LeelooMinai_> I have many ways in mind that would be far wasier:)
[23:20:56] <XXCoder> handy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9PMs_N33fU
[23:21:00] <LeelooMinai_> For example those wire shields that can contract when you stretch them.
[23:22:37] <pfred1> XXCoder I know how they do this
[23:22:46] <pfred1> they have molds of hands they dip in rubber
[23:23:08] <pfred1> yup that's how they do it
[23:23:09] <XXCoder> pfred1: heh wasnt showing you how its mnade, just randomly saw it and posted link here
[23:23:20] <pfred1> it is pretty wild
[23:23:59] <XXCoder> it is
[23:24:04] <XXCoder> lots hands waving lol]
[23:25:15] <LeelooMinai_> It happens I watched today how they make cling wrap - it was pretty weird too.
[23:25:36] <pfred1> one of the weirdest how its made i ever was was how they make balls for ball point pens
[23:25:53] <pfred1> they're carbide
[23:26:17] <LeelooMinai_> They have some big blower that shoots the liquid material up and that forms a big tube that is collected at the top.
[23:26:26] <pfred1> they go through so much trouble to make stuff we just throw out
[23:27:48] <pfred1> when I paint latex gloves are worthless the solvent i use just eats them right up I need to use the nitrile gloves
[23:28:17] <pfred1> but if I don't wear gloves i have that paint on me until I grow new skin
[23:28:32] <pfred1> which can be a long time
[23:28:47] <LeelooMinai_> Hmm, I wonder how far a nylon mesh can stretch - the one they make stocking of...
[23:28:51] <pfred1> automotive paint is some tough stuff
[23:30:16] <XXCoder> got loink for it
[23:31:20] <XXCoder> looks like its probably bad wires
[23:31:24] <XXCoder> wires feel funny
[23:31:30] <XXCoder> looks like factory errir
[23:32:07] <pfred1> I thought my HV bandsaw motor died once. Turns out the power cord just broke on it
[23:32:27] <pfred1> bad wires are bad
[23:33:06] <pfred1> that's what i made my stepper wires out of though I cut up surplus IEC cables and used the wire otu of them
[23:33:30] <pfred1> you know like computer power cables?
[23:33:36] <norias> ho
[23:33:38] <norias> hi
[23:33:41] <pfred1> ho ho!
[23:33:44] <norias> heh
[23:34:12] <pfred1> it is 18 gauge stranded wire in them IEC cables
[23:34:16] <XXCoder> I might be able to patch em up but I rather get replacement as I can see wires entering stepper is also damaged and plastic around is bit broken too
[23:34:18] <LeelooMinai_> I used cables used in airplanes for my stepper mottors:) Why? I don't know why - that's all I could get on ebay...
[23:34:29] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQX_cNBZ3Hk
[23:34:46] <pfred1> LeelooMinai_ I just had a pile of those IEC cables lying around here
[23:34:51] <norias> http://www.salon.com/2016/08/19/uber-got-this-right-pittsburgh-is-americas-city-of-the-future/
[23:34:52] <XXCoder> unfortunayely does not show balls but pen itself being made which is cool
[23:34:59] <norias> this article is exciting, to me
[23:35:22] <pfred1> XXCoder yeah the balls they make like ball bearings
[23:35:30] <pfred1> but they're carbide
[23:35:42] <XXCoder> yeah it have to be, due to all that abuse
[23:35:45] <LeelooMinai_> The best ball pen points are made in space stations.
[23:35:49] <pfred1> so they have to grind them with diamond dust
[23:35:50] <norias> pfred:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg
[23:36:22] <pfred1> norias these are very tiny balls
[23:36:44] <norias> the balls i like the best
[23:36:49] <norias> are the kind that are held at night
[23:37:31] <pfred1> that one guy from ACDC can't even remember the music anymore
[23:37:39] <pfred1> he's shot!
[23:37:47] <norias> and the singer can't hear
[23:37:58] <norias> basically, Angus is the only original member left
[23:38:32] <XXCoder> whats wrong with deaf musician?
[23:38:44] <XXCoder> beetoven was deaf when he made his last
[23:38:50] <norias> aye
[23:38:54] <norias> but he didn't sing it
[23:39:06] <XXCoder> he was never a singer
[23:39:14] <LeelooMinai_> I bet he would prefer not to be deaf though
[23:39:24] <pfred1> ah they say he has dementia
[23:39:55] <roycroft> why are you comparing ac/dc with music though?
[23:40:40] <LeelooMinai_> Music is a pretty broad bag...
[23:40:49] <LeelooMinai_> .. I am sure AC/DC fits there somwhere:p
[23:42:19] <LeelooMinai_> In my google quest for that membrane thing, I was steared into spandex - I wonder if that could work if it was a bit loose, so there would be a lot of room for stretching.
[23:42:51] <XXCoder> kinky.
[23:43:11] <LeelooMinai_> If I madde a hole for spindle body basically and attached the rest to the edges of the "wall" around the workpiece...
[23:43:29] <LeelooMinai_> Would look a bit weird, but...
[23:43:35] <pfred1> sounds like an a hole move to me
[23:47:57] <LeelooMinai_> Semms it can be bought on Amazon in yards.
