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[02:30:18] <Deejay> moin
[04:25:11] <enleth> Duc_mobile:
http://www.icai-online.com/ has a lot of stuff
[04:26:51] <enleth> I haven't ordered from them yet but they are being linked to on the forums often and they have literally every part you might need, and rebuild kits
[04:27:28] <enleth> the prices seem to be reasonable
[05:37:50] <jthornton> morning
[05:38:03] <_methods> hola
[05:49:40] <Deejay> hey
[05:59:47] <_methods> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/15/todays-men-are-nowhere-near-as-strong-as-their-dads-were-researchers-say/
[05:59:48] <_methods> lol
[05:59:58] <_methods> someone had to do a study to find out millenials are a bunch of pussies
[06:02:16] <jthornton> millenial collage students only...
[06:03:06] <_methods> don't they all go to college now lol
[06:04:34] <XXCoder> all kinds of studies can be biased
[06:04:46] <XXCoder> selective who to study for example
[06:04:53] <_methods> believe me i don't put any stock in that study, i just thought it was funny
[06:05:06] <_methods> i don't think millenials are a bunch of pussies
[06:05:19] <XXCoder> or in least, around average
[06:05:47] <XXCoder> interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvOkI_pvMI
[06:06:09] <_methods> just most millenials
[06:06:10] <_methods> lol
[06:08:50] <XXCoder> theres video "year after" and welds have all held
[06:21:24] <jthornton> maybe in NC they all go to collage but not here... in Wayne county they don't even know how to brush their tooth
[06:22:46] <jthornton> wow the sun may come out Sunday!
[06:24:41] <_methods> haha
[06:24:43] <_methods> their tooth
[06:25:01] <XXCoder> here sun have always been out when day :P
[06:25:20] <XXCoder> it didnt surpise that July is hottest july ever recorded... period.
[06:25:30] <_methods> yeah all your rain is headin here
[06:25:37] <XXCoder> THIEF!!!
[06:26:17] * jthornton has to finger out how to send a command over the ethernet on a compactlogix plc
[06:26:41] <_methods> i've never used them
[06:26:48] <_methods> i think we had some in plc school
[06:26:56] <_methods> but i never got on them
[06:27:07] <jthornton> it's been a few years since I touched a compactlogix
[06:27:10] <_methods> those are A B right?
[06:27:19] <jthornton> yea
[06:27:46] <_methods> you can't send it with the software?
[06:28:16] <jthornton> hmm found a cognex pdf about using a controllogix to trigger the camera... I may have found the answer I'm looking for
[06:29:35] <jthornton> it's for an older camera but maybe...
[06:30:12] <_methods> linescan cam?
[06:30:19] <jdh> I have 30 or 40 cognex cams
[06:30:34] <XXCoder> oh brother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2daBleAafY
[06:30:35] <jdh> mostly 5100/5110
[06:30:36] <jthornton> these are 2000-120
[06:31:22] <jthornton> In-Sight 2000
[06:31:29] <jthornton> http://www.cognex.com/programs/in-sight-2000-vision-sensor/
[06:32:50] <jdh> I use mostly GE PLC's, they don't do ethernet/ip
[06:33:29] <jthornton> I've established communication with the cameras so I'm half way there lol
[06:33:38] <jdh> cool
[06:34:07] <jdh> I wrote a c and .net library for talking to them with raw tcpip
[06:34:27] <jthornton> neat
[06:35:21] <jdh> got some red lion protocol converters on some other vendor supplied systems. and a maple systems mmi that is pretty much just used for protocol conversion
[06:35:26] <jthornton> wow I found a pdf explaining how to communicate with the in-sight camera
[06:35:54] <jthornton> speaking of maple have you ever seen a fugi touch screen?
[06:36:15] <jdh> fuji?
[06:36:21] <jthornton> yea
[06:36:48] <jdh> don't recall any
[06:37:18] <jdh> probably half the time I hear my vendors say "this would be so much easier with an AB"
[06:37:29] <jdh> (vs. our specified GE)
[06:37:29] <jthornton> there is one on a machine I'm trying to get a bug out of and I think it is in the touch screen
[06:38:02] <malcom2073> iirc my toughbook has a fugi touchscreen
[06:38:03] <jthornton> I have a suitcase full of cables and adapters for older AB stuff lol
[06:38:08] <malcom2073> Still haven't gotten it working in linux heh
[06:38:43] <jdh> time for work :(
[06:49:22] <jthornton> now to finger out why the other PC down here in the Beer Cave reboots all the time when used but never if not used
[06:49:49] <jthornton> I've eliminated connections being bad, operating system and video card
[06:50:49] <XXCoder> jthornton: dirty power
[06:50:57] <malcom2073> Yeah, sounds like bad psu?
[06:51:01] <malcom2073> Dies under load
[06:51:23] <XXCoder> malcom2073: that or wiring in that area is bad and power is not clean
[06:51:28] <XXCoder> easy enough to test
[06:51:30] <XXCoder> add a UPS
[06:51:37] <XXCoder> see if it works fine under clean power
[06:51:50] <jthornton> and cleaned and put fresh heat conductive paste on the cpu
[06:52:20] <jthornton> I have 3 PC's on the same circuit it is in that pc only
[06:53:06] <jthornton> it's a high end power supply from cooler master and fairly new but I'll swap it out and see
[06:53:16] <malcom2073> Typically bad power input makes the computer turn off and stay off (unless you have auto-on in the bios), bad power supply would cause reboots
[06:53:33] <malcom2073> I had a new power supply do that not long ago (a nice one from whatever company OCZ owns)
[06:53:40] <malcom2073> warranty ftw
[06:54:29] <jthornton> I'll take the one out of my firmware flashing pc it hardly gets used anyway
[06:54:33] <XXCoder> yeah power box definitely is other possibility
[07:00:36] <jthornton> I thought we were going to Hyde's for catfish tonight but now I'm making Korean hamburgers which is just as good
[07:01:24] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/recipes/beef/korean-hamburgers.html
[07:02:22] <jthornton> hmmm I need to add my super crispy chicken wing recipe I see
[07:02:26] <malcom2073> those look tasty
[07:02:42] <jthornton> my wife loves them and so do I
[07:04:32] <jthornton> I might as well blow the dust out of the ps before putting it in the pc
[07:04:33] <_methods> yeah those look pretty tasty
[07:04:37] <_methods> i might have to try them
[07:04:49] <_methods> i just ground up 4lb brisket too
[07:05:05] <jthornton> I like to make them up mid day and let them sit in the fridge for 1/2 a day to soak up the flavers
[07:05:10] <jthornton> flavors even
[07:05:13] <_methods> i'll have to try that out
[07:06:14] <_methods> gotta grind up some italian sausage this wknd used up the last of the stuff i had made
[07:06:19] <jthornton> finally stopped raining long enough so I could pick up the garage door for the new shop yesterday but it's back to raining now lol
[07:06:48] <jthornton> do you smoke it or is it just stuffed?
[07:07:10] <_methods> i don't even stuff it
[07:07:12] <_methods> i just grind it up
[07:07:24] <_methods> i do have casings and stuff if i do want to stuff
[07:07:55] <_methods> i need to build a real smoker so i can make the good stuff
[07:08:01] <_methods> i want to make some chorizo
[07:13:02] <malcom2073> jthornton: I thought you put sliding doors on it, you doing a rollup?
[07:19:00] <MacGalempsy> morning to all
[07:19:45] <malcom2073> Morning
[07:20:48] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Re: 3d printing: You can use the A axis as an extruder, that's what I do on my 3d printer but it's not great since you actually *don't* want coordinated motion
[07:21:42] <jthornton> yea a a garage door type with insulation and metal skin both sides
[07:21:51] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[07:22:00] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: thanks for the 411. I have an extra ramps board that will be much easier to setup. Wasnt sure on the CAPS, but they are rated for 35v
[07:22:11] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: any pics of a finished shop?
[07:22:25] <malcom2073> Yeah, ramps works as long as your printer is belt driven
[07:22:46] <MacGalempsy> im using ballscrews and acme rod
[07:22:52] <malcom2073> Heh
[07:23:04] <MacGalempsy> with belts between the motors and shafts
[07:23:14] <malcom2073> You may find that ramps "instant velocity changes" bite you, which is the reason I went with linuxcnc
[07:23:31] <malcom2073> My machine is ballscrew and very rigid, so it didn't handle that very well
[07:24:00] <malcom2073> It's worth a shot though
[07:24:32] <MacGalempsy> we'll see what happens. I already had the board, so just orded a dc down stepper to 5v and will pop out that D1 diode
[07:25:03] <MacGalempsy> it is amazing how cheap ramps has gotten over the last 2 or 3 years
[07:25:23] <malcom2073> Gotta love china
[07:25:28] <MacGalempsy> I paid like 180 for the full kit, but the board with arduino is like $30
[07:26:23] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: the kids start school?
[07:26:38] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Homeschooling, they were never out
[07:28:05] <MacGalempsy> nice. you give the lessons? is there a cnc class?
[07:28:23] <malcom2073> Lol I'm sure we'll get into machining and fabrication at some point
[07:28:28] <malcom2073> My wife takes care of most of it
[07:36:24] <MacGalempsy> LIke home vo-tech
[07:47:42] <MacGalempsy> so today, I am going out with the USGS to check some stream gauges (free boat ride)
[07:54:18] <jthornton> MacGalempsy:
http://www.gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/
[07:54:33] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-01.jpg
[07:54:42] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-23.jpg
[07:55:11] <XXCoder> wow my shed is shaping up nicely
[07:55:15] <jthornton> must be raining lost connection
[07:55:17] <MacGalempsy> it is coming along nicely
[07:55:29] <MacGalempsy> going to throw a kegger when its done?
[07:55:52] <jthornton> thanks, next task is to get the garage door up but first I have to do some wiring and cover the south wall around where the garage door goes
[07:57:35] <jthornton> nope, not the power supply
[08:05:06] <MacGalempsy> alright guys, headed out for a morning on a lake. will catch yall later.
[08:17:21] * JT-Shop just has to walk out the door to be in the lake
[09:17:29] <SpeedEvil> No, don't do it!
[11:28:57] <ctjctj> On my milling machine I have a number of tools for setting a part parallel to the axis. I'm looking for a method for the CNC router. I just did my first two sided cut. I put a small hole and designated that as x0,y0. Z0 was an offset from one face. When one side was completed I flipped it over and attempted to align it using some alignment pegs. I then went back to the registration hole (x0,y0) and touched off for those. Did
[11:28:57] <ctjctj> Z correctly. The issue showed up in that over 8 inches there was about 3/32 of an inch rotation around the Z axis so the cuts, of course, didn't line up perfectly. I've thought about using a push rod to line it up. I've thought about cutting a through hole so that when the stock is turned over I can move to that through hole and use it to calculate a rotation around Z. What is the "standard" or "normal" or "Here's how I do it?"
[11:32:06] <archivist> are you sure it is not mechanical error
[11:33:59] <ctjctj> archivist, It is much more likely to be a luser error. The straight lines on both sides are straight according to my 12" scale. I don't have a vise mounted that I can tram in to be exactly parallel to the X axis.
[11:34:30] <ctjctj> Oh, X,Y and Z are at right angles according to my 4in and 6in machinist squares.
[11:35:01] <ctjctj> I.e. If I cut something and make right angles along X and Y axis I get what I expect.
[11:35:10] <ctjctj> The issue is in mounting the stock to the table.
[11:35:27] <archivist> use a dti(on Z) against a reference X or Y to see how square it is
[11:35:42] <ctjctj> DTI?
[11:35:52] <archivist> dial test indicator
[11:36:00] <ctjctj> Ah. Good idea.
[11:36:12] <gregcnc> you can also measure diagonals
[11:36:16] <archivist> you can then get parallel to an axis
[11:38:13] <ctjctj> I think I'm going to make an "mini-pallet" for the bed of the CNC router, then plan on using clamps. Then I can use a pusher similar to what DoubleBoost (John Mills) makes and uses.
[12:36:51] <KyrreA> Hoy.
[12:37:17] <KyrreA> Any tricks to getting WCH CH382L working (lpt card) on ubuntu 12.04?
[12:37:38] <KyrreA> I can see my boards with lspci but nothing happens when I try using em
[12:37:59] <KyrreA> no errors and hal accepts the addresses and opens both ports
[12:38:06] <KyrreA> just no activity
[12:38:44] <Tom_itx> http://www.electronicsfaq.com/2010/02/getting-serial-port-to-work-under.html
[12:38:48] <Tom_itx> just a guess
[12:40:19] <Tom_itx> mmm that's not even what i asked it!
[12:42:46] <KyrreA> don't think so as I do not need serial
[12:42:52] <KyrreA> infact my board is 1p only
[12:43:00] <KyrreA> well I got two 1p boards
[12:43:33] <KyrreA> also, since I want linuxcnc hal to use the port I should not load the user driver should I?
[13:01:54] <plpower> hi from a cool milled weekend Germany
[13:02:12] <plpower> Rain outside so tomorrow a plasma best workday
[13:02:55] * Deejay wants rain too
[13:04:30] <plpower> next week its getting real real hot in germany
[13:04:56] <plpower> need to work as mutch as i can bevor the heat hits the shop
[13:06:23] <plpower> Tom_itx: kyrre dident get thr right parport adress so it wont work on 378
[13:06:58] <plpower> Deejay: cold tonight
[13:07:12] <plpower> temp here dropped to below 10
[13:07:22] <Deejay> 24°C here right now
[13:16:49] <plpower> ho we lost today place 4 in medel to Russia
[13:17:13] <plpower> so if they where disqalified we woudt be one up
[13:17:18] <plpower> SMILE
[13:17:30] <plpower> soccer girls will bring it back i hope
[13:17:49] <plpower> ok im off meal is ready
[13:23:15] <CP-KG7AMV> Sup all
[13:23:32] <CP-KG7AMV> Are balluff prox sensors any good
[13:25:39] <CP-KG7AMV> Looks like the BES 517-351-N2-C will fit in same location as the little mechanicsl switches
[13:26:06] <_methods> yep good switches
[13:26:50] <Tom_itx> $$$
[13:30:37] <CP-KG7AMV> http://www.nuovaelva.it/files/docs/Balluff/en/datenblaetter/BES%20517-351-N2-C.pdf
[13:31:05] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, had a mechanical shatter today
[13:31:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALLUFF-BES-517-351-N2-C-Switch-Limit-BES01MK/302000291990
[13:31:22] <Tom_itx> fifty bux on ebay?
[13:32:31] <CP-KG7AMV> ahhh nope
[13:33:27] <Tom_itx> seemed like alot to me
[13:33:50] <CP-KG7AMV> http://www.alliedelec.com/balluff-bes01mk/70694981/
[13:33:56] <CP-KG7AMV> Ouch....
[13:34:10] <CP-KG7AMV> Wondering about 2mm
[13:34:24] <CP-KG7AMV> Most proc switches i see are 5mm
[13:35:07] <CP-KG7AMV> I ahve some sealed mechanicals on the way but them would make it simpler...
[13:35:16] <Tom_itx> 4 used for the same price
[13:35:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Balluff-BES-517-399-N0-C-Inductive-Sensor-Lot-of-4-/141996419724?hash=item210fa56a8c:g:xVoAAOSwXSJXO4Fm
[13:35:21] <CP-KG7AMV> Well at least on X axis
[13:35:24] <enleth> CP-KG7AMV: are those going to be just emergency limit switches or also homing switches?
[13:35:28] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gifSo7EmRcs this is what life has come to
[13:35:48] <yasnak> it may not be pretty but it runs, off to the bar haha
[13:36:33] <CP-KG7AMV> Limits and homing
[13:36:54] <CP-KG7AMV> the 399 series is NPN NO
[13:37:56] <enleth> CP-KG7AMV: consider non-colliding switches if you had one shattered
[13:38:14] <enleth> and endstops that are normally-closed and pass the motor enable signal
[13:38:37] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, the switches i had were old and no name from the retro kit.
[13:39:02] <CP-KG7AMV> One has a name Cherry Elect
[13:39:18] <Tom_itx> cherry should be good switches
[13:39:21] <enleth> cherry are actually good switches, if it's not a knockoff
[13:40:40] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, this switch the roller broke off
[13:40:46] <CP-KG7AMV> housing cracked
[13:41:42] <enleth> CP-KG7AMV:
https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/pictures/Bridgeport/img_5950.jpg - I couldn't find a detail shot, but you can see the X limit and home switches on the front of the cross slide, while the bits that push them hang down from the table on the very left and in the middle
[13:42:14] <enleth> the switches need to be pushed down and have tapered ends, while the pushers are tapered on the edge
[13:42:28] <enleth> so even if the table runs over the limit, no switch damage results
[13:42:57] <enleth> and the limits actually do cut servo power
[13:43:34] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, these switches are gummed up
[13:44:04] <CP-KG7AMV> and the plastic is brittle
[13:44:32] <enleth> even roller switches should be easy to rearrange so that they're not in the way of any moving parts
[13:44:50] <enleth> rotate them 90 degress, put under the table, attach a tapered pusher to the table
[13:45:10] <enleth> worst case it will slide right over and off the other side of the switch
[13:47:35] <enleth> and do consider separating limits from homing
[13:47:37] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, i will play arround
[13:49:57] <CP-KG7AMV> Z axis pleny of room
[13:50:15] <CP-KG7AMV> X axis on this lathe well ouch
[13:50:51] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tld/5729573988.html Hurco CNC Knee Mill $2900
[13:51:11] <gregcnc> anyone used an oil cooler to make a compressor after cooler?
[13:51:34] <CP-KG7AMV> AC Condencer
[13:52:44] <CP-KG7AMV> Scrap yard 5.00 tubing 15.00
[13:52:54] <CP-KG7AMV> AN Fittings 50.00
[13:53:46] <gregcnc> yeah i know the fitting cost, still probbaly the easiest way
[13:53:59] <CP-KG7AMV> Yep
[13:54:06] <CP-KG7AMV> Works Great '
[13:56:10] <CP-KG7AMV> Intresting GEOMETRY = -XZ on the display puts the XY at top tight GEOMETRY = XZ puts the XY where it homes bottm right whats correct!
[13:59:41] <CP-KG7AMV> So new at this CNC stuff
[14:02:45] <Crom> CP-KG7AMV, kf6pqz here,,, on 3 my machine x0y0 is bottom left...
[14:03:32] <CP-KG7AMV> Ok, Cool
[14:03:52] <Crom> it's what ever you want...
[14:04:55] <CP-KG7AMV> I figured i home bottom right shoudl look kike the cut area
[14:04:55] <Crom> I have 3d printers, laser cutters, cnc engravers all are setup bottom left zero point
[14:05:09] <CP-KG7AMV> This is a lathe
[14:05:37] <Crom> laser cutter G28 takes the head to X0 Y220 so min X max Y
[14:05:38] <CP-KG7AMV> Friends mill is bottom left
[14:05:53] <Crom> my lathe isn't cnc'd yet
[14:06:33] <CP-KG7AMV> Since i have a 36" Bed take for ever to home at 60/ipm limits of path pilot
[14:07:15] <Crom> I think on a lathe I;d home x min Z max
[14:08:34] <Crom> you can have a home switch and any location and assign it any value...
[14:08:50] <Crom> s/and any/at any/
[14:14:36] <nubcake> Hello, does anyone know any details about the controller-box this machine uses:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/800W-4-Axis-CNC-Router-3040T-Graviermaschine-Frasmaschine-Spindlemotor-VFD-Engra-/301767761911?hash=item4642c29ff7:g:hegAAOSwubRXKFN2 ? i tried to find a pin-out scheme for parport or any other details.. but it seems i keep failing.
[14:16:06] <cradek> if it's parallel port/mach3 the pinout can only be so hard
[14:16:32] <cradek> if you get the mach3 config file, linuxcnc can even import it
[14:18:42] <nubcake> cradek: unfortunately i don't have a windows xp machine or mach3 at all, that's why i'm asking in here :/
[14:18:57] <pcw_mesa> CP-KG7AMV: Path pilot is not limited to 60 IPM
[14:19:07] <cradek> you would get the config file from the seller?
[14:19:51] <nubcake> oh, i'll contact them and ask for it then, thanks for the info :)
[14:19:53] <CP-KG7AMV> On the lathe is seems to be
[14:20:46] <pcw_mesa> No, that just Tormachs setting for their slant bed lathe
[14:21:15] <CP-KG7AMV> I have not fond where to change it.
[14:21:41] <pcw_mesa> nothing to prevent you from setting it to 1000 IPM
[14:23:34] <pcw_mesa> as far as most setup things, go Path Pilot is just LinuxCNC with a different GUI
[14:23:49] <CP-KG7AMV> Yep.
[14:24:50] <CP-KG7AMV> I am learning it showley
[14:24:54] <CP-KG7AMV> slowley
[14:25:58] <CP-KG7AMV> And the spindle speed is locked 180 to 2500RPm in the lathe gui
[14:26:27] <CP-KG7AMV> Cannot find the area to edit to allow it to go slower!
[14:27:14] <CP-KG7AMV> try to go 150rpm it errors says min 180
[14:28:04] <CP-KG7AMV> I know my VFD from a pot can drive it to 2800rpm
[14:28:11] <CP-KG7AMV> min 50rpm
[14:34:49] <CP-KG7AMV> Hey andy
[14:44:59] <pcw_mesa> If the spindle speed limit is in the GUI, its going to be fun to fix,
[14:45:00] <pcw_mesa> you might be better off with LinuxCNC + NGCGUI or similar
[14:53:58] <CP-KG7AMV> Yea, i think it is har coded
[14:54:10] <CP-KG7AMV> hard
[15:03:19] * JT-Shop doesn't see the attraction to path pilot or mark
[15:05:06] <cradek> I can see it if you buy their hardware. they don't care about making a general purpose control, though, leading to stuff like this that look like bad design from where we're sitting but seem reasonable from their perspective
[15:06:24] <TurBoss> Hello
[15:06:42] <TurBoss> I'm trying to add a remote E-stop to my config
[15:07:08] <TurBoss> i need estop-latch even if I have a emergency switch?¿
[15:07:08] <JT-Shop> that makes sense to me that it works well for their products and may not be the best for general machines
[15:07:20] <JT-Shop> yup
[15:07:33] <TurBoss> I cant get to work
[15:07:55] <JT-Shop> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
[15:08:00] <TurBoss> Ive commented the origina e-stop lines and added the latch config lines
[15:08:19] <TurBoss> yes i was following this
[15:08:32] <TurBoss> here is my hal file
[15:08:32] <TurBoss> http://dpaste.com/0AEZCRK
[15:08:32] <JT-Shop> is this path pilot?
[15:08:37] <TurBoss> nop
[15:08:43] <TurBoss> axis
[15:08:49] <JT-Shop> good
[15:09:06] <JT-Shop> do you get an error?
[15:09:13] <TurBoss> on line 99
[15:09:18] <TurBoss> nothing
[15:09:22] <TurBoss> it works fine
[15:09:31] <TurBoss> but emergency doen't work
[15:10:03] <TurBoss> in Hal meter the pin works
[15:10:17] <TurBoss> and signal remote-estop works too
[15:10:26] <JT-Shop> ok that eliminates a hardware problem I think
[15:11:21] <TurBoss> I'm on master from yesterday
[15:11:58] <JT-Shop> does the estop latch component pins toggle and you can expect master to break things from time to time
[15:12:35] <TurBoss> estop latch dont toggle
[15:15:00] <TurBoss> JT-Shop : can the line 47 in my hal file be a problem?
[15:15:48] <JT-Shop> I'd bet that line doesn't do anything any more
[15:17:09] <JT-Shop> so estop-latch.0.fault-in does not change states when you change paraport pin 1?
[15:17:37] <TurBoss> pin 10 in my confif , sek i have to go to the other room where the machine is
[15:17:42] <TurBoss> i config it from ssh
[15:17:43] <TurBoss> :D
[15:20:20] <TurBoss> estop-latch.0.fault-in toggles
[15:20:24] <TurBoss> :\
[15:20:53] <TurBoss> brb
[15:21:49] <TurBoss1> I'm back and in the machine now
[15:24:07] <TurBoss1> sry what doen's toggle is estop-loopin loopout signals
[15:25:21] <TurBoss1> dont*
[15:39:24] <TurBoss1> I have sitched the input from not to normal
[15:39:29] <TurBoss1> but nothing
[15:39:46] <TurBoss1> i can't release estop
[16:14:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:16:16] <XXCoder> TurBoss1: you sure you already unpressed estop?
[16:16:44] <XXCoder> if its physical button. I think you justb hit etc again on keyboard if not
[16:38:52] <TurBoss> XXCoder : the emergency stop switch is a keep switch , I press it and release it every test i do
[16:38:56] <TurBoss> Hi
[16:39:12] <TurBoss> NC
[16:39:19] <XXCoder> okay reason I asked is sometimes olvious is missed :)
[16:39:30] <TurBoss> :P
[16:40:01] <TurBoss> I can't figure the problem :D
[16:40:55] <XXCoder> unfortunately cant help you ther e:)
[16:44:28] <TurBoss> thank you anyway
[16:45:00] <XXCoder> troubleshooting steps, one of em is make system simpler see if it works
[16:45:09] <XXCoder> then try re-add part a time till it breaks
[17:01:05] <JT-Shop> does the normal estop loop work?
[17:01:21] <TurBoss> what do you mean with the normal?
[17:01:40] <TurBoss> the default one without remote estop?
[17:03:21] <JT-Shop> yes
[17:03:34] <TurBoss> it works from axis and F1
[17:08:52] <TurBoss> and i have a led attached to estop-out
[17:09:13] <TurBoss> that works in normal way without the remote config
[17:19:45] <JT-Shop> when you look at the pin names in show hal are they they same as the example?
[17:20:57] <Tom_itx> gettin any rain yet?
[17:21:12] <Tom_itx> startin up here..
[17:21:36] <JT-Shop> off and on a tiny bit
[17:21:51] <JT-Shop> we are supposed to see the sun thing Sunday
[17:27:01] <TurBoss> will chec tomorrow thank you all
[17:27:09] <TurBoss> check*
[18:56:00] <Duc_mobile> enleth: I hope this fixes the bag of rock sound from the upper head
[19:47:25] <enleth> Duc_mobile: it should, they have bushing rebuild kits and all parts themselves
[19:47:53] <enleth> they even regenerate/replace motor shafts and will do 2HP CNC motors with longer shafts, although this is actually quite expensive
[19:48:09] <enleth> but otherwise they're decently priced
[19:49:23] <Duc_mobile> I should call them up on monday. H&W has been willing to answer all my stupid question also
[19:54:53] <Duc_mobile> enleth: i need to get rid of the bag of rocks sound
[20:01:16] <enleth> Duc_mobile: do you have the sound source pinpointed?
[20:04:47] <Duc_mobile> enleth: the dog teeth coupler between the hi gear and the spindle are worn
[20:06:02] <enleth> you mean the varispeed receiving shaft?
[20:07:41] <enleth> holy fuck, they do have it, but the price is actually anything but reasonable
[20:07:57] <enleth> $231 or $390 depending on version
[20:08:02] <enleth> 2HP is cheaper
[20:08:22] <enleth> have you considered welding it over then re-milling the clutch teeth?
[20:09:09] <enleth> also, if it's so worn out, someone must have been switching gears without stopping the spindle completely
[20:09:54] <Duc_mobile> yea its the 231 version and you need to get the mating one also so another 230
[20:10:13] <Duc_mobile> if the adjustmenting it tonight doesnt help then I will be buying the two so its good and done
[20:11:03] <enleth> ok, I guess if this machine makes you $500 in a reasonable time, it's worth it to just spend the money and have it working ASAP
[20:11:37] <enleth> but you might want to hold on to the old parts to rebuild them
[20:12:00] <enleth> or, if you decide to throw them away, just send them my way instead
[20:12:56] <Duc_mobile> your suppoose to make money on home machines?????
[20:13:51] <Tom_itx> your toys should be able to pay their own way yes
[20:14:01] <pfred1> I don't think my whole machine cost me $231 to build
[20:14:01] <enleth> AFAIR you mentioned this bridgeport actually does something useful, but I'm not sure if I remember it right
[20:14:23] <enleth> mine doesn't, so $500 for parts would not fly here
[20:15:13] <pfred1> Bridgeport hasn't made a mill in how many decades now?
[20:15:18] <pfred1> 4?
[20:15:32] <pfred1> the ones left are so whipped out
[20:15:57] <enleth> pfred1: the one I got is actually in a very good condition other than the varispeed transmission
[20:16:02] <enleth> I guess chromed ways saved it
[20:16:19] <pfred1> well some in like schools didn't never see much use
[20:16:55] <Duc_mobile> it builds my projects for me that get me in trouble with the wife. mine had a few issues but its in very good condition
[20:16:55] <enleth> that, and the fact it was doing spare parts, not batches
[20:16:55] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan. you around?
[20:17:15] <pfred1> bridgeports are a bear to live with I've moved them it's no fun
[20:17:28] <pfred1> they must weigh like 3 tons?
[20:17:50] <Duc_mobile> 2800 for the cnc I think
[20:18:08] <pfred1> yeah for a while yo ucould get a CNC 1 just for hauling it away
[20:18:19] <malcom2073> Still can in some places
[20:18:21] <pfred1> no one ever knoew how the things worked in the first place
[20:18:34] <pfred1> so they jsut ended up taking up shop floor space
[20:19:40] <pfred1> I have a manual chinese benchtop mill it works for me
[20:19:42] <enleth> pfred1: mine is 1550kg, Series 1 CNC iron
[20:20:03] <pfred1> yeah you couldn't give ma a CNC 1 it'd go through the slab here
[20:20:18] <enleth> great retrofit machine, I can't see why anyone would have a problem figuring out how they work
[20:20:45] <pfred1> they used paper tqpe didn't they?
[20:20:56] <enleth> mine is probably the most complex model ever made, electrical-wise, due to the handwheels and brakes, and I haven't had any problems
[20:21:18] <enleth> nope, no paper tape, where would they put it?
[20:21:32] <enleth> ah, you mean perforated tape?
[20:21:42] <pfred1> that would be paper tape
[20:21:58] <enleth> no, it's a 1981 machine, RS232
[20:22:15] <pfred1> wow Bridgeport was still building machines in 1981?
[20:22:16] <malcom2073> Ah man our matsurra at work has perforated paper tape :-D
[20:22:31] <pfred1> I thought they went out before that
[20:22:46] <enleth> pfred1: technically my unit was built in the UK by Textron, but the iron was US-designed
[20:22:59] <pfred1> that was the problem
[20:22:59] <enleth> althout I think it's mostly a UK electrical design
[20:23:05] <pfred1> they just lasted too long
[20:23:35] <pfred1> eventually the market was flooded with not enough sales
[20:23:37] <enleth> UK/German actually, about half of it is made by Heidenhain and the other half is understandably tailored for the Heidenhain stuff
[20:23:51] <Duc_mobile> I did throw away my tape drive on mine
[20:24:01] <Duc_mobile> I do love the old thing but still wish for a VMC
[20:24:08] <enleth> it's a very nice, very solid design, the original control is still useful despite being 40 years old
[20:24:26] <enleth> I mean, it's convenient to use for its intended purpose
[20:24:39] <pfred1> yeah? the drives are good?
[20:25:02] <enleth> the servo drive in it is shit, the worst part of the machine, but I'm in the process of replacing it
[20:25:12] <pfred1> it has servos?
[20:25:21] <pfred1> I've only seen the steppers
[20:25:21] <enleth> yep, SEM MT30H4-44
[20:25:31] <pfred1> 1,600 oz/in big monsters
[20:25:31] <enleth> those servos are still being made
[20:26:01] <pfred1> they'er like triple stack NEMA 34s or something?
[20:26:02] <enleth> that's the problem with Bridgeport CNC reputation - it was tarnished horribly by the BOSS machines
[20:26:12] <enleth> they used shitty steppers and shitty controls
[20:26:20] <pfred1> yeah that's all I've ever seen
[20:26:42] <enleth> but if you can get a Heidenhain-based machine, UK made - they're a very nice piece of engineering and retrofit well
[20:26:58] <pfred1> I live in the US so we didn't import much of that
[20:27:07] <enleth> they shouldn't have gone the BOSS route at all
[20:27:09] <pfred1> not with bridgeport conn so close by
[20:27:20] <pfred1> heck I've been through bidgeport
[20:27:29] <pfred1> bridgeport even
[20:27:33] <Duc_mobile> but still better to convert to LNC
[20:27:41] <pfred1> what's LNC?
[20:27:42] <enleth> I guess they wouldn't have gone out of business if they actually did all their control stuff with Heidenhain
[20:27:48] <enleth> not so fast at least
[20:27:58] <Duc_mobile> linuxcnc im lazy
[20:28:05] <pfred1> mah that far east was gonna eat them alive anyways
[20:28:12] <pfred1> can't compete with that
[20:28:46] <enleth> far east doesn't make proper CNC knee mills of this size
[20:29:03] <pfred1> rong fus are good enough
[20:29:19] <pfred1> a quarter the price bridgeport can make one for too
[20:29:26] <enleth> Bridgeport did, but it was too little, too late and too crappy control with the BOSS machines to matter
[20:29:48] <enleth> I haven't ever seen a far east knee mill with a ballscrew quill
[20:29:57] <enleth> I don't think they copied the proper CNC head
[20:30:23] <enleth> it's always some knockoff of the classic 2J2, sometimes modified for CNC
[20:30:23] <pfred1> maybe not
[20:30:42] <pfred1> nothing I was ever too interestedi n anyways
[20:30:47] <MacGalempsy> como esta?
[20:30:56] <pfred1> the kind of milling i do doesn't lend itself to CNC
[20:31:08] <enleth> mine's got a dedicated CNC head design, rigid ram, no tilt/nod but much stiffer
[20:31:17] <MacGalempsy> soy :ppppppppppppppppp]
[20:31:22] <malcom2073> Mac you drunk?
[20:31:27] <enleth> and the whole quill is a figgin' huge ball screw
[20:31:56] <pfred1> let's hope that never wears out
[20:32:12] <pfred1> or the whole machine would be one huge anchor
[20:32:56] <enleth> there's so much torque in this I once basically punched through an aluminum plate with a drill, by feeding way too fast for the RPMs
[20:33:02] <enleth> it didn't give a crap
[20:34:13] <pfred1> try it on some chilled cast iron I bet it'd care then
[20:34:25] <enleth> what wouldn't?
[20:34:41] <enleth> a multi-ton VMC, maybe
[20:35:00] <enleth> for a 1500kg machine, this was impressive and a bit scary at the same time
[20:35:03] <pfred1> I faced off my anvil and ruined my carbide fly cutter on it
[20:35:18] <pfred1> stuff is hard!
[20:35:22] <Duc_mobile> plus a rong fu cant come close to the material removal
[20:35:51] <pfred1> Duc_mobile i ran am ill once that a Bridgeport would just about sit on
[20:35:55] <enleth> anyway, I'm happy with this mill and the way I'm using it (which is not very often and not very hard), it will last decades to come
[20:36:03] <pfred1> a Milwaukee #3 I think it was?
[20:36:22] <pfred1> bridgeports are toys next to them
[20:36:39] <Duc_mobile> I always forget rong fu made bigger machines
[20:36:43] <pfred1> you got up onto the coolant pan to run it
[20:36:55] <enleth> and it's still small enough to be disassembled by a single person in a matter of 2-3 hours and palletized on 3 pallets for moving
[20:37:00] <Duc_mobile> most use the small ones
[20:37:07] <malcom2073> Is *any* milwaukee smaller than 30t?
[20:37:34] <pfred1> malcom2073 i donno I htink this mill had either a 12, or maybe a 20 foot table?
[20:37:37] <Duc_mobile> enleth: think I was able to take up the slack in the mating surfaces by adjusting the hi/low speed lever
[20:37:42] <pfred1> it was huge!
[20:37:57] <pfred1> it was like operating a submarine with the handwheels
[20:37:57] <enleth> actually, disconnecting all the wiring in this bridgeport takes more time than mechanical disassembly
[20:37:59] <malcom2073> Reminds me of the mills I see at auctions sometimes. I don't know who the hell buys some of these huge machines
[20:38:21] <pfred1> yeah yo ucan't lug the big gear down the basement stairs
[20:38:24] <malcom2073> I was walking around a steel factory of some sort near me after an auction picking up my small stuff, they had like 10-15ft table mills
[20:38:25] <Duc_mobile> saw a few of those in huntsville
[20:38:47] <malcom2073> They had a 10ft rotary table on one of them, it was at floor level so you could walk on it
[20:38:47] <pfred1> so it gets torched for scrap
[20:40:01] <Duc_mobile> the cost to move the machines are very high
[20:40:16] <pfred1> yeah it is a good thing land is worth money
[20:40:41] <pfred1> or them big beasts would never get moved
[20:41:03] <malcom2073> lol yeah
[20:41:16] <pfred1> because it ain't worth their weight in scrap to move them
[20:42:45] <pfred1> I worked for industrial demo outfits and we coudn't evne cover our fuel costs with scrap metal
[20:42:57] <pfred1> but we had to get rid of it
[20:43:34] <XXCoder> part it out sell em as metal stock? heh
[20:43:45] <enleth> that's because you have everything far apart in the US
[20:43:51] <malcom2073> heh
[20:43:54] <pfred1> XXCoder stuff had to be gone that day
[20:43:56] <Duc_mobile> yep nice to have space
[20:44:05] <pfred1> need them dumpsters for the next day
[20:44:18] <enleth> here, worst case, you announce that a scrap machine is there somewhere to be taken
[20:44:22] <enleth> next day, it's gone
[20:44:32] <pfred1> for a while scrap was high
[20:44:48] <pfred1> i know all steel is pretty high now
[20:45:16] <XXCoder> man I cant wait for astroid mining
[20:45:27] <XXCoder> ONE right rock can supply world for 100 years.
[20:45:41] <pfred1> we got loads of iron but it takes a lot of energy to smelt it
[20:45:54] <pfred1> we need an asteroid made of oil!
[20:46:03] <XXCoder> lol or coal rocks
[20:46:09] <XXCoder> though its not likely
[20:46:26] <XXCoder> I wonder if with enough solar concectors can melt iron and stuff'
[20:46:28] <pfred1> tell them there's oil in space and see how quick they get there
[20:46:41] <XXCoder> theres certainly ones strong enough to melt salt (800c)
[20:47:24] <pfred1> anyone here run dxf2gcode?
[20:49:11] <enleth> pfred1: you mean the US will start spreading freedom and democracy in space?
[20:49:29] <pfred1> enleth I think space is already free and democratic enough
[20:49:51] <pfred1> we've been spreading out in space more than everyone else too
[20:50:00] <pfred1> way more
[20:50:03] <malcom2073> I think that asteroid needs some freedom
[20:50:45] <pfred1> I hear we're going to try to capture an asteroid in 2020?
[20:50:59] <malcom2073> An exciting time to be alive
[20:51:33] <pfred1> malcom2073 the 80s were way more fun
[20:52:12] <malcom2073> pfred1: Hehe, two kinds of people,those who have more fun as they get older, and those who have less :-P
[20:52:33] <pfred1> oh i had a ton of fun when I was yunger and I didn't evne really try
[20:52:49] <pfred1> because the 80s was just that much fun
[20:53:17] <pfred1> my age has nothing to do with it it is the times
[20:53:38] <malcom2073> Older being time progressing, not neccesarily a physical or mental representation
[20:53:41] <pfred1> because i partied with people older than I am now then
[20:53:50] <pfred1> they were havign a blast too!
[20:54:10] <pfred1> we were delierious in the 80s
[20:54:21] <pfred1> everyone was
[20:55:40] <pfred1> we didn't have the Internet and we didnt miss having it
[20:55:55] <malcom2073> Like I said heh
[20:55:57] <pfred1> people just went out and had a good time
[20:57:06] <pfred1> it was a very hedonistic era
[20:57:46] <pfred1> we were all so beautiful too
[20:58:08] <pfred1> like there were no fat people back then
[20:58:22] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:58:28] <pfred1> there really weren't
[20:58:35] <pfred1> I mean some yeah but they were liek freaks
[20:58:43] <malcom2073> I'm just glad that I'm not of that era. I'm really happy now, and my best days are yet ahead of me
[20:58:48] <pfred1> everyone was really fit and in shape
[20:59:09] <malcom2073> no remembering the good ol days wistfully
[20:59:31] <pfred1> heck there was even good music back then
[20:59:44] <malcom2073> Anyway I'm out
[21:20:11] <andypugh> pfred1: Do you know any young people? I reckon the ones I know are having more fun than I ever did.
[21:20:47] <pfred1> andypugh some young people were over the other day for a barbeque here
[21:20:48] <andypugh> And as for 80s music, you have just forgotten the 99% that was awful.
[21:20:53] <pfred1> but I wouldn't say I know them
[21:21:10] <pfred1> hey still didn't look very fun loving to me
[21:21:30] <pfred1> yeah i was into alternative music in the 80s like post punk
[21:21:41] <pfred1> I skipped the pop music scene
[21:22:07] <pfred1> although even that scene died out in about 82
[21:22:25] <XXCoder> heh I was never "cool" of any form
[21:22:26] <pfred1> it took me a couple of years to eralize it though
[21:23:07] <andypugh> There again, the woman I am thinking of is a Goth DJ, and arguably Goth is 80s :-)
[21:23:17] <pfred1> yeah goth was the 80s
[21:23:23] <djdelorie> A goth me?
[21:23:26] <pfred1> I was never goth but I liked some of the music
[21:23:36] <pfred1> like 45 Grave
[21:23:54] <pfred1> they may have started goth? them or the Damned
[21:24:00] <andypugh> I just like the goth chick look.
[21:24:20] <pfred1> yeah it don't turn me off
[21:24:32] <pfred1> cept when they try to look really dead
[21:24:47] <pfred1> a bit pale is OK though
[21:25:10] <pfred1> I hate Python
[21:25:23] <pfred1> I just never have no luck with the stuff
[21:25:48] <pfred1> or rather I should say I have a lot of bad luck with it
[21:26:48] <pfred1> now i have to hear some 45 Grave
[21:27:05] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1dn1XKMR3s
[21:27:34] <pfred1> this is the 80s
[21:28:56] <andypugh> “Critic John Stickney used the term "gothic rock" to describe the music of the Doors in October 1967”
[21:29:14] <pfred1> heh yeah maybe we listened to the Doors back then too
[21:29:36] <pfred1> The End is pretty intense under the influence of psychedelics
[21:29:52] * pfred1 can attest to that!
[21:30:29] <pfred1> we had great acid back in the 80s too
[21:30:56] <pfred1> that's something kids today don't have
[21:31:26] <pfred1> they made it in an abandoned nuclear missile silo
[21:31:32] <XXCoder> I remember reading about somet ahh yes
[21:31:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:31:47] <pfred1> the merry pranksters
[21:32:06] <pfred1> they made like 90% of the acid in the world
[21:32:16] <pfred1> so when they got busted the party was over
[21:32:49] <XXCoder> I wonder if techique is lost lol
[21:32:55] <XXCoder> recreate it. do it. lol
[21:33:00] <pfred1> they regulate the precursors today
[21:33:13] <pfred1> plus those guys probably really did know what they were doing
[21:33:18] <pfred1> they were like from Harvard
[21:33:38] <XXCoder> heh slightly reminds me of breaking bad, the premise anyway, never saw that show
[21:33:42] <pfred1> I met a guy once in the east village wholly!
[21:34:06] <pfred1> he had a plastic lab apron on and the craziest eyes i ever seen
[21:34:22] <pfred1> perhaps he was a bit too close to his product?
[21:34:44] <pfred1> good times, good times
[21:34:53] <XXCoder> heh or hes fighting brain cancer :P
[21:35:04] <pfred1> he was fighting something
[21:35:25] <andypugh> Bringing it all together.. My young Goth DJ friend:
http://infestuk.com/2016/04/22/latest-dj-news-dj-duracell-bunny-das-ook/
[21:35:39] <andypugh> Is also a chemistry PhD.
[21:35:52] <pfred1> he he they look like fun
[21:36:26] <pfred1> I need a g code generator that actually works
[21:36:47] <andypugh> She’s also a climber, and super-bizarrely manages to also play piccolo in a marching band!
[21:37:00] <pfred1> I don't understand why people climb
[21:37:22] <andypugh> No, neither do I. Very strange.
[21:37:28] <pfred1> I do like to watch documentaries about climbing expeditions that go horribly wrong though
[21:37:31] <andypugh> I am a caver, far more normal.
[21:37:54] <XXCoder> this is very safe.
https://youtu.be/sjTuJpgyaW8
[21:38:18] <pfred1> I watched one the other day about thie group that climbed meru why would anyone willingly put themselves through all fo that?
[21:38:43] <pfred1> everest is liek a picnic compared to that mountain
[21:42:03] <andypugh> pfred1: I think I understand. There is a satisfaction in doing something hard, especially if it no fun
[21:42:25] <pfred1> andypugh i guess but that whole crew got seriously messed up
[21:42:32] <andypugh> Most of the time caving is no fun, but you get to see the cave, so it’s worth it.
[21:42:58] <pfred1> yeah it is not like you cna hop in a plane and see basically the same hting as you'd see from the top of a mountain
[21:43:34] <andypugh> You probably are already bored, but the way I know the goth dj climber chemist piccolo player is that I met her playing an online pirate game:
https://goo.gl/photos/bC9Yts4qpnhuu8sZ9
[21:43:37] <pfred1> heck I've looked out of plane windows at 35,000 feet
[21:43:52] <pfred1> them serving drinks is about all that made it barely tolerable
[21:44:53] <andypugh> You don’t climb a mountain to see the top. Conversely you _do_ go down a cave to see the bottom. (Actually, in the hope that there isn’t one)
[21:45:04] <pfred1> hmmm
[21:45:34] <pfred1> they always seem to spend some tiem at the summit looking around to me or recovering, or something
[21:45:53] <pfred1> maybe aq bit of both?
[21:46:42] <pfred1> this is as close as i want to come to climbing
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2545428/
[21:47:53] <Polymorphism> hmm
[21:48:46] <andypugh> Climing isn’t my thing, but I raced a yacht across the Pacific a few years ago, and next year I plan to do the Haute Route:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute_Route#Ski_Touring_Haute_Route
[21:49:13] <norias> is it bad that i saw a question about what is equal to 746 watts...
[21:49:23] <norias> and without seeing the rest of the question
[21:49:31] <norias> immediately thought horsepower?
[21:49:34] <andypugh> There is a rest of the question>
[21:49:36] <andypugh> ?
[21:50:08] <norias> yeah
[21:50:12] <norias> something about animals
[21:51:11] <andypugh> Not 735.5W then? German horses being slightly smaller
[21:56:36] <norias> eh?
[21:56:55] <norias> is the watt or horsepower defined differently in germany?
[21:57:48] <XXCoder> andypugh: not as small as chinese horses lol
[21:58:05] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Metric_horsepower_.28PS.2C_cv.2C_hk.2C_pk.2C_ks.2C_ch.29
[21:58:55] <norias> no shit
[22:32:27] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.com/2016/08/15/ask-hackaday-what-are-magnetic-gears-good-for/
[22:32:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:32:51] <norias> whoa
[22:32:55] <norias> magnetic gears
[22:33:02] <norias> what are they good for?
[22:33:08] <norias> absolutely nothing...
[22:33:22] <XXCoder> actually no
[22:33:44] <XXCoder> if its made for simple machine that must run constantly for very long time, no contacts means no wear
[22:34:04] <norias> i'm kidding
[22:34:32] <XXCoder> low torque limit though lol
[22:34:34] <norias> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWmlRNfLck
[23:32:46] <DGMurdockIII> what a good gcode generator for CNC
[23:33:27] <DGMurdockIII> all im finding is pcb milling
[23:35:04] <XXCoder> depends on what you need do?'
[23:36:40] <Polymorphism> DGMurdockIII, fusion360
[23:39:49] <DGMurdockIII> i dont know how to explain it but what i mostly do is make light boxes and i just mill out the steel so i have railing
[23:41:08] <DGMurdockIII> I make a led bed kinda like a tanning bed
[23:42:08] <DGMurdockIII> it dose not close on on the the light is a box and you can move it to the part of body you want to treat
[23:43:44] <enleth> DGMurdockIII: if you don't care about open and Free, and want just free, then, yeah, Fusion 360
[23:45:07] <XXCoder> more or less free anyway. unless your biz incomes over $100k
[23:46:40] <enleth> at which point the subscription fee is peanuts for you anyway
[23:47:28] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:47:37] <XXCoder> its free till its not, and cheap after that'
[23:49:05] <enleth> actually if you make $100k on your machining business, you should be able to afford most commercial CAD/CAM packages easily enough
[23:49:17] <DGMurdockIII> what that cam sotware that end with 5
[23:51:30] <DGMurdockIII> enleth, is it better than Mach3?
[23:52:14] <XXCoder> mach3 controls machine. cad/cam is not that
[23:52:14] <DGMurdockIII> they say it supposted to be a allin one solution so that why i ask
[23:56:03] <DGMurdockIII> https://youtu.be/u6ktyPntOhE
[23:57:09] <XXCoder> WAAAAAY too much special effects
[23:57:19] <XXCoder> flickering, transition per second
[23:58:24] <DGMurdockIII> i trust Autodesk
[23:58:50] <DGMurdockIII> my dad used autocad in 90's alot
