#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-08-09

[00:33:02] <jesseg> Tom_itx, you be around?
[00:33:36] <jesseg> or can anyone please see if my hand made DXF file shows anything? http://videoflier.com/files/test.dxf
[00:37:10] <cradek> n
[00:37:21] <cradek> you can install librecad, which reads dxfs directly
[00:39:36] <jesseg> hmm, I can try. I'm afraid my workstation is an old 32 bit slackware installation.. sometimes it's hard to install multimedia packages made for ".Deb is the whole world there is no other"
[00:39:38] <jesseg> :D
[00:40:19] <cradek> it's sure easy to get behind
[00:41:52] <jesseg> Is a vertex x,y,z for example, or is that three?
[02:18:27] <Deejay> moin
[04:39:41] <narogon> hi everybody!!
[04:40:09] <narogon> does anybody know how to increase the available memory to load rt hal components??
[04:41:19] <archivist> do you mean the shared memory or system memory
[04:44:17] <narogon> I have to load
[04:44:28] <narogon> 37 instances of my own rt hal component
[04:44:38] <narogon> but It only loads 17
[04:44:43] <narogon> to reproduce the problem
[04:44:49] <narogon> try to load 1000 not components
[04:45:08] <narogon> and It says HAL: ERROR: insufficient memory for pin 'not.599.out'
[04:45:20] <archivist> I was thinking you must be doing something odd
[04:46:15] <archivist> pins are in shared memory, I think that is a compile/constant option somewhere
[04:46:29] <narogon> yes, it is a strange application to control 37 servos...
[04:46:49] <narogon> it would be perfect if you could find it
[04:54:25] <archivist> googling for your error gives some clues "HAL: ERROR: insufficient memory for pin"
[05:01:44] <archivist> I remember this being mentioned in the dev IRC channel a few weeks ago
[05:02:35] <narogon> in google i only find https://www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=158599
[05:02:42] <XXCoder> whats your user case? curious
[05:03:02] <archivist> narogon, grep the source for HAL_SIZE
[05:04:49] <narogon> it is a very simple component, a state machine to control certain servos via ethercat
[05:05:03] <narogon> without trajectories... of linuxcnc
[05:05:24] <narogon> archivist, how could get the hal_size?
[05:05:43] <archivist> it is #defined in the source
[05:06:39] <archivist> in hal_priv.h but I am not sure it is the right thing to change at the moment
[05:06:45] <narogon> ohhh sorry, i hadn't understood you ehehe
[05:08:28] <archivist> if you are building linuxcnc yourself then try a larger value, else ask for limits to be extended/make sure you use a recent version
[05:10:12] <archivist> 37 servos sounds like a conveyor and large machine
[05:11:09] <narogon> it's a universal grabbing machine
[05:13:08] <narogon> is it possible rebuild linuxcnc? without install rip version???
[05:16:25] <archivist> some variable have become run time adjustable see if this one has
[05:33:54] <narogon> I have not found how to change this variable on my installation. I think I have to download rip version
[06:34:01] <Tom_itx> morning
[06:34:17] <jthornton> morning
[06:34:25] <XXCoder> very early morning
[06:56:18] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-08.jpg
[06:56:24] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-09.jpg
[06:56:30] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-10.jpg
[06:56:40] <XXCoder> n ice job building my shed
[07:02:48] <jthornton> they will be done framing today
[07:02:51] <jthornton> they are fast
[07:03:45] <Tom_itx> prefab trusses or stick built?
[07:04:05] <jthornton> trusses are built in a truss factory
[07:06:34] <Tom_itx> are the walls done that way to fit the tin?
[07:06:50] <Tom_itx> looks a bit odd to the normal style framing
[07:07:05] <jthornton> yea the horz 2x4 is where they screw the metal to
[07:07:15] <jthornton> they call them lath boards
[07:07:35] <Tom_itx> except they don't use lath anymore thank god
[07:08:40] <Tom_itx> is it hard to watch instead of doing?
[07:08:45] <Tom_itx> i'd be trying to help...
[07:09:00] <jthornton> naw, they move so fast it is fun to watch
[07:09:19] <jthornton> I usually just pop around the corner every now and then to see
[07:09:55] <Tom_itx> time to head out... later
[07:10:00] <XXCoder> you should have timed delay camera
[07:10:01] <jthornton> later
[07:10:12] <jthornton> that would be cool
[07:18:14] <narogon> archivist
[07:18:45] <narogon> It works, I change hal_priv.h HAL_SIZE and HAL_STACKSIZE
[07:19:37] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN_PEmeKb0 aw i guess this will be mpore fun for you guys than for me
[07:20:51] <XXCoder> oh yeah very heavy language
[07:21:05] <XXCoder> (I know contents from transcript i read while ago)
[07:38:45] <archivist> narogon, good
[07:39:40] <narogon> do you know how can I compile this version to make a deb???
[07:40:39] <jthornton> debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us
[07:40:44] <jthornton> or some version of that
[07:40:51] <archivist> I know nothing about that
[09:20:56] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[11:19:58] <MacGalempsy> anyone know the pin for spindle speed override?
[11:31:11] <CaptHindsight> how fast can the servo task period be set for an open loop servo without PID (or encoders)?
[11:31:36] <cradek> MacGalempsy: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/halui.html#_halui_pin_reference
[11:32:14] <cradek> CaptHindsight: I don't understand your question
[11:33:52] <CaptHindsight> cradek: I'm not using a PID loop to drive the analog out for 2 servos
[11:35:39] <CaptHindsight> I'm wondering what limits how fast the servo task period can be?
[11:35:52] <archivist> servo period is all about latency and the OS, rather than PID I would have thought
[11:35:53] <MacGalempsy> cradek: found that. but now having a difficult time using the scale function with the pots
[11:36:12] <cradek> I don't understand what you're doing, but I think halcmd shows the thread execution times
[11:36:24] <CaptHindsight> the speed of the trajectory planner and latency of the PC?
[11:36:26] <cradek> MacGalempsy: you really want to use an encoder instead of a pot
[11:36:38] <MacGalempsy> for feed rate override?
[11:36:48] <cradek> MacGalempsy: yes when you turn it up, the slider on the screen goes up, etc
[11:37:00] <cradek> you don't break the screen slider that way
[11:37:03] <CaptHindsight> archivist: the PID has to eat up some time running a few lines of code
[11:37:14] <cradek> and you could even have one on the panel and one on the pendant, for instance
[11:37:20] <MacGalempsy> I have a pot that is 0-24v. the gain is 4.16666 and the offset is 50
[11:37:37] <cradek> the hole that's mounted in would be perfect for an encoder
[11:37:43] <cradek> so you're almost there :-)
[11:38:00] <MacGalempsy> I can see the 0-24v in the raw, analog out from the mesa, but I am not sure what pin to link the scale.1.out
[11:38:56] <CaptHindsight> cradek: I'm using galvos for my XY that can move at up to 50K positions (full XY travel) per second
[11:39:34] <CaptHindsight> so there no screws or mass to slow down the XY travels
[11:39:59] <cradek> you still need pid somewhere don't you?
[11:40:04] <CaptHindsight> the galvos I'm currently testing have no encoder feedback
[11:40:28] <cradek> I don't understand how you can position that without feedback
[11:40:32] <CaptHindsight> they have over/undershoot and non-linear compensation built into their drivers
[11:41:04] <cradek> oh so your analog signal is position?
[11:41:27] <CaptHindsight> cradek: you just drive the with +- 5V, they are already calibrated, yes analog signal is position
[11:42:22] <archivist> but latency from the OS is still there and getting to be a larger percentage as rate goes up
[11:42:25] <cradek> interesting! if you don't need a base thread you can probably speed the servo thread up a bit, maybe even 10 kHz? you'll have to just try it.
[11:42:43] <cradek> yeah it might not help to speed it up too much because it'll get less regular
[11:43:04] <CaptHindsight> how fast can the trajectory planner run?
[11:43:06] <cradek> mechanical systems are good at interpolating position :-)
[11:43:15] <cradek> as fast as your computer can run it
[11:43:17] <CaptHindsight> how do I see how long it takes?
[11:43:21] <archivist> pcw has mentioned how fast he has got one running in the past
[11:43:26] <cradek> halcmd show thread, I think
[11:44:26] <dioz> god damn is work ever slow
[11:44:35] <dioz> what do you guys do on slow days?
[11:44:48] <dioz> give me some ideas to hlp fuck the dog away
[11:44:49] <archivist> sit in here on IRC
[11:45:42] <dioz> can we talk aboht welding galr iron sheet metal?
[11:45:51] <dioz> galv
[11:45:53] <CaptHindsight> my current velocity settings are crazy, XY are 500m/min
[11:46:15] <archivist> only stoopid people weld galv
[11:47:41] <dioz> fuck my red wiss snips are all fucked up and don't spring back open easily. what shoukd i do?
[11:48:04] <Wolf_> figure out whats binding
[11:48:06] <dioz> break the jaws and return them fir warranty?
[11:48:59] <dioz> i thinknthe pivot pin is bent. i was using them to cut 14 gauge angle iron
[11:49:18] <pcw_home> When a galvanometer spec says 50000 points per second you have to take that with a large grain of salt
[11:49:20] <pcw_home> typically fast galvonameters settle in 50 to 150 usec so 1 to a couple Khz bandwidth max
[11:51:20] * Loetmichel_ just got gifted with a new wristwatch by my wife... faaaancy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oja_g9jwek
[11:51:58] <pcw_home> when they say 50000 point per second they typically mean with tiny moves (so you just need to interpolate a linear move between servo thread periods to get full performance)
[11:54:09] <pcw_home> (that is no galvanometer can do random access at 50 KHz)
[11:54:33] <SpeedEvil> There are.
[11:54:48] <SpeedEvil> MEMs ones I saw.
[11:54:58] <pcw_home> Yeah mems
[11:55:12] <CaptHindsight> lets not get hung up on the PPS
[11:55:35] <CaptHindsight> I'll know how fast they can actually move later
[11:56:13] <CaptHindsight> I just want to see how fast Linuxcnc can try to push them with 6i25 and 7i77
[11:57:19] <pcw_home> Are you sure abour 50 Khz? a quick check of commercial MEMS galvos says a few KHz max
[11:58:39] <pcw_home> random access at 50 KHz means better that a few hundred KHz banswidth
[12:00:13] <pcw_home> Ideally you would want hardware interpolation between servo thread periods (so linear motion between points)
[12:00:29] <pcw_home> (kind of like the stepgen works)
[12:01:07] <CaptHindsight> in the TRAJ section of the INI, how should MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY and DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY be set in relationship to the highest MAX_VELOCITY in each AXIS_X section?
[12:01:36] <CaptHindsight> should it just be higher? and by what margin?
[12:02:00] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: as a note, DLP goes at ~30KHz
[12:02:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dlp/advanced-light-control/pattern-rate-greater-8khz-overview.page
[12:02:19] <cradek> sqrt2 if you have just xy
[12:02:26] <cradek> otherwise sqrt3
[12:03:36] <CaptHindsight> my Z is a slow moving stepper
[12:03:40] <pcw_home> Yeah but thats no where close to 50 KHz controlled motion
[12:04:51] <CaptHindsight> the galvos will probably run well under 1K PPS since this laser isn't high powered
[12:06:41] <MacGalempsy> so I try this example, but get an error that the spindle-override.value cannot be connected to because it is alread connected to spindle-scale.out
[12:06:42] <MacGalempsy> loadrt scale names=spindle-scale
[12:06:42] <MacGalempsy> addf spindle-scale servo-thread
[12:06:42] <MacGalempsy> ...
[12:06:42] <MacGalempsy> net spindle-analogue hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.analogin0 => spindle-scale.in
[12:06:42] <MacGalempsy> net spindle-override spindle-scale.out => halui.spindle-override.value
[12:06:44] <MacGalempsy> setp halui.spindle-override.direct-value 1
[12:06:47] <MacGalempsy> setp spindle-scale.scale 1
[12:06:49] <MacGalempsy> setp spindle-scale.offset -2.5
[12:06:51] <pcw_home> Typically galvos are given bandwidth limited signals (close together points)
[12:09:03] <CaptHindsight> I'm trying to see how quickly one can push the trajectory planner and the servo period
[12:09:12] <cradek> MacGalempsy: you can set it in various ways with the inputs, that output is the current value. in the docs they are labeled in/out and you can also see those directions with halcmd
[12:10:01] <CaptHindsight> I'm not running a laser light show, just cutting materials or curing photopolymers
[12:10:25] <cradek> MacGalempsy: I guess maybe you'll use direct-value, but be aware that breaks the other spindle override controls, like the one on the screen -- unlike the encoder method I described
[12:10:29] <MacGalempsy> cradek: I am trying to figure out what pin to connect to the scale.out
[12:10:58] <MacGalempsy> it is in direct-value mode
[12:11:28] <cradek> do you still use counts? I'm not sure how direct-value works. experiment with halcmd setp and see how it works.
[12:11:59] <MacGalempsy> I am not sure if it needs count. the documentation on the direct-value is vague
[12:12:03] <cradek> seems like halui needs more docs than just the pin list
[12:12:07] <cradek> yep I agree
[12:12:26] <MacGalempsy> the example I put up there was one of Andy's in a forum post, which is about the same that I put together
[12:12:26] <cradek> experiment and let us know what you find
[12:26:49] <MrHindsight> no errors with 500,000mm/min feed and 200,000 SERVO_PERIOD
[12:29:26] <MrHindsight> Smart Serial port 0: Dolt not cleared from previous servo thread. Servo rate probably too fast. when servo_period is 100.000
[12:30:38] * SpeedEvil ponders hobbing.
[12:31:40] <SpeedEvil> Hobbing a brake disk into a gear for driving low speed wheels.
[12:31:52] <CaptHindsight> the figure 8's I'm scanning are moving pretty fast in the AXIS window, almost fan speed
[12:32:38] <CaptHindsight> so far SERVO_PERIOD 150,000 is no problem at 500,000mm/min
[12:44:37] <MacGalempsy> cradek: ok, I figured it out. the scale output pin is float and the halui.spindle-override.counts is a s32. so using the conv-float-s32 component changes the scale and makes the types match up and it works now
[12:46:00] <MacGalempsy> now to look at the back of the machine and figure out why the other pot is not getting any juice
[12:51:52] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-11.jpg
[13:13:54] <CaptHindsight> who stocks steel control cabinet hinges 8-16" long?
[13:15:59] <CaptHindsight> oohh McMaster
[13:16:49] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop - looks great! At this point, you'll still get a little wet w/ the rain:-) totally jealous...
[13:17:52] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I need one 5-6K sq ft, do they deliver?
[13:18:52] <JT-Shop> yea, they will build anywhere
[13:19:15] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: that is looking pretty good
[13:19:22] <JT-Shop> I'd bet they have the roof on before quitting time
[13:19:39] <JT-Shop> and I didn't get to make the first mess in there lol
[13:19:39] <MacGalempsy> are you going to insulate it?
[13:20:32] <JT-Shop> yea, but not as well as my shop
[13:21:45] <MacGalempsy> anyone know if halui.spindle-override.value = 1.0 = 100% or 100 = 100%?
[13:27:09] <CaptHindsight> bracing on the external wall
[13:27:22] <CaptHindsight> that makes it quick
[13:27:24] <JT-Shop> 1=100%
[13:29:09] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what are they required to sheet the out walls with?
[13:29:39] <JT-Shop> there are no requirements in rural Missouri
[13:30:13] <CaptHindsight> you going to use 1/2" OSB?
[13:33:50] <JT-Shop> don't think you can find 1/2" OSB, only 7/16"
[13:34:50] <CaptHindsight> 15/32
[13:35:12] <JT-Shop> yea something like that
[13:37:48] <plpower> Good evening
[13:38:00] <plpower> MacGalempsy: ?
[13:39:24] <Deejay> plenkalarm
[13:39:58] <JT-Shop> I think all they have around here is 7/16
[13:40:31] <plpower> oh good to ask
[13:40:50] <plpower> 6.35mm is 1/8 or 1/16
[13:41:00] <Deejay> lol
[13:41:01] <FloppyDisk> 1/4
[13:41:01] <plpower> to get a rim
[13:41:09] <Deejay> not very good in math? ;)
[13:41:19] <plpower> only low graded
[13:41:36] <Deejay> one inch is 25.4mm
[13:41:58] <plpower> ah i got to divide and get 4 COOL
[13:42:16] <plpower> Deejay: we got one medel
[13:42:23] <plpower> silver
[13:42:41] <plpower> so we are a great sporting country
[13:42:45] <plpower> LOL
[13:42:51] <Deejay> silver for what?
[13:43:31] <plpower> Newzeeland hore rider fell of the horse so germany got chopped up the board with no own masterpicing
[13:44:01] <Deejay> ah, pony sports
[13:44:04] <Deejay> ^^
[13:44:26] <plpower> and the USA showed the Trump ruleing on firer arms
[13:44:55] <plpower> 19Year old girl showed the world how it can be done in 20shots
[13:48:36] <plpower> Why are all the people against Donald ,he is the best for Europ to isolate the USA
[13:48:53] <plpower> i woudt be with Him
[13:49:35] <plpower> oh im off evening meal ready wife is calling
[13:49:42] <Deejay> guten hunger
[13:49:47] <plpower> Cool milling and keep the Bits alive
[13:50:15] <plpower> den ganzen tag nur trockenfutter an der plama anlage ;-)
[13:58:26] <blib> is there a room for laser cutters? I'm looking for a good one that I can play with
[13:58:47] <CaptHindsight> room/channel?
[13:59:21] <CaptHindsight> blib: what do you want to cut?
[14:01:28] <SpeedEvil> LASERs - he said
[14:02:04] <CaptHindsight> blib: what do you wish to melt?
[14:03:16] <CaptHindsight> or burn or vaporize
[14:05:52] <roycroft> i'm not sure you can cut a laser
[14:05:57] <roycroft> you can reflect it with a mirror
[14:06:02] <roycroft> you can absorb it with a black hole
[14:06:22] <roycroft> but i don't know about cutting it
[14:06:58] <SpeedEvil> Sure you can. It's just metal/glass/...
[14:08:05] <roycroft> i suppose clarification is needed
[14:08:28] <CaptHindsight> have to define cutting first
[14:08:51] <roycroft> does the emitter need to be cut or the emittance itself?
[14:09:16] <roycroft> if the former, a guillotine would be a fun way to do it
[14:09:18] <CaptHindsight> is cutting the same as separating the distance between atoms, particles or waves?
[14:10:09] <CaptHindsight> today is lets argue over what is not the point of the discussion day
[14:10:32] <roycroft> so we'll talk politics?
[14:10:50] <roycroft> politics is always arguing over what is not the point of the argument
[14:10:51] <CaptHindsight> how would Donald cut a laser?
[14:11:00] <roycroft> bigly, in a terrific way
[14:11:11] <roycroft> in a better way than anyone else has ever cut it
[14:11:14] <roycroft> and only he can sut the laser
[14:11:16] <roycroft> cut
[14:14:08] <_methods> hehe
[14:17:29] <blib> CaptHindsight: Sorry, stepped away
[14:17:44] <blib> I'm trying to cut acrylic, preferably accurately
[14:18:01] <blib> I'd love to get thin sheets of aluminium cut - but I think that will go out of my budget
[14:18:41] <roycroft> you can use scissors for the aluminium sheet, assuming it's thin enough
[14:18:55] <roycroft> but don't cut yourself on the sharp edges!
[14:18:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Woof?
[14:19:02] <blib> 1/8" of acrylic would be nice to cut
[14:19:10] <blib> I'm looking for precise cuts
[14:30:43] <CaptHindsight> if the vowel (in English) are A, E, I, O and U how can Y on be sometimes a vowel?
[14:31:17] <CaptHindsight> either it is or it isn't
[14:31:30] <gregcnc> depeneds if it identifies as a vowel
[14:31:46] <CaptHindsight> that like saying that 3 is sometime an odd number and sometimes an even number
[14:32:39] <CaptHindsight> so if the writer intended the Y to be a vowel it's a vowel until at a later date the Y decides that it's not a vowel
[14:32:54] <CaptHindsight> then it's no longer a vowel
[14:33:32] <gregcnc> put a y between consonants and a lot of people get confused
[14:33:32] <cradek> uhhh
[14:33:57] <roycroft> it's only a vowel sometimes
[14:34:23] <roycroft> and yes, that is totally arbitrary
[14:34:27] <roycroft> as is much of our language
[14:34:31] <roycroft> and most other languages
[14:35:20] <CaptHindsight> who decides these things?
[14:35:43] <CaptHindsight> and why can't AEIO and U be only vowels sometimes?
[14:35:44] <gregcnc> you can start you own language and decide for yourself
[14:35:59] <CaptHindsight> what hard codes them to being always a vowels vs sometimes?
[14:36:04] <cradek> what a weird thing to be worried about
[14:36:20] <cradek> (also sometimes w)
[14:36:46] <CaptHindsight> I've just never gotten a clear answer
[14:37:23] <gregcnc> your first grade teacher still remembers you
[14:38:30] <CaptHindsight> ok so now 3 5 and 7 are eve numbers
[14:38:44] <CaptHindsight> eve/even
[14:39:00] <CaptHindsight> so you can randomly change these things and the world doesn't end
[14:39:51] <cradek> words with y in them probably come from different sources (languages) that had different vowel features
[14:40:31] <cradek> however, all the small integers appeared together so they have the same rules
[14:40:49] <CaptHindsight> it's just funny how that vowel rule is taught
[14:41:26] <gregcnc> Pat, I'd like to buy a Wye please
[14:41:51] <CaptHindsight> they have more than one sound yet other consonants also have more than one sound yet are excluded from the set in stone vowel group
[14:45:28] <gregcnc> more than I knew on the topic http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/04/makes-vowel-vowel-consonant-consonant/
[14:45:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: sorry you can only sometimes buy a Wye
[14:47:17] <CaptHindsight> ah hah! so it's based on physiology
[14:47:40] <CaptHindsight> we didn't cover physiology until the 4-5th grade
[14:48:21] <gregcnc> Polish is much more fun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet
[14:49:31] <CaptHindsight> if sounds are produced synthetically without the use of a mouth (along with associated organs and body parts) are they still vowels?
[14:55:15] <CaptHindsight> public schooling here is pretty bad, we were also told that the smallest parts of matter are called Atoms, then they went on to say how atoms are made from smaller parts :)
[14:57:22] <witnit> I know college kids that can't read a ruler...
[14:57:51] <MrHindsight> http://pastebin.com/DuP04Umj this the halcmd show
[14:58:21] <witnit> omg hindsight what happened to your boat?!
[14:58:40] <MrHindsight> if max-time is greater than the servo thread how come it didn't throw a real time error?
[15:18:40] <blib> Anyone knows about laser cutters and where I can get a good one (preferably < 5k) - and can cut thin metals precisely
[15:19:02] <_methods> i don't think you'll find a laser that can cut metal for < 5k
[15:19:29] <CaptHindsight> blib: anything that low cost will have a cheap laser tube
[15:19:30] <synx508> You can laser cut a mask and etch metal
[15:19:35] <_methods> probably looking at a minimum of $20k to cut thin metal
[15:20:21] <CaptHindsight> blib: it will cut thin metals but you'll get a few hundred hours out of it before it needs to be replaced or refilled
[15:20:35] <blib> are plasma cnc cutters any good?
[15:20:45] <_methods> sure
[15:20:50] <_methods> they're great
[15:21:22] <blib> _methods: can they cut acrylic? metal? can I get good accuracy ?
[15:21:35] <_methods> metal
[15:21:46] <CaptHindsight> I've been purchasing new lasers in the 30-100W range with galvo heads and 20K hour lifespans for $20K-30k
[15:22:00] <blib> CaptHindsight: My upper limit is 5k
[15:22:08] <blib> I want to invest in a laser cutter and a small cnc
[15:22:45] <CaptHindsight> Chinaco laser tube to optics and linear XY you can find for that price
[15:24:11] <CaptHindsight> will have a 200-300um spot and wear out the tube after 200 hours
[15:27:19] <CaptHindsight> for instance http://www.ebay.com/itm/130W-CO2-Laser-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-A-AXIS-Auxiliary-Attachment-DSP-CONTROL-/371676795072
[15:27:33] <CaptHindsight> $4500 says 130W co2
[15:31:57] <CaptHindsight> blib: http://fslaser.com/Applications/Metal
[15:39:00] <CaptHindsight> blib: it's going to be 2x the price from a US supplier but come with support and working software
[15:39:17] <CaptHindsight> and that will cut metal films
[15:42:29] <blib> CaptHindsight: That red box, I think they sell cheaper than that
[15:42:52] <blib> CaptHindsight: http://fslaser.com/Applications/Metal - There are chinese imports that are much better in pricing compared to that company
[15:43:29] <CaptHindsight> blib: the point is that they will only cut metal films vs sheet
[15:44:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.emax-sales.com/downloads/Lasercuttingfundamentals.pdf
[15:44:52] <CaptHindsight> it's all about power density
[15:45:02] <CaptHindsight> W/cm^2
[15:45:22] <CaptHindsight> find out how much power is required for your material
[15:45:37] <CaptHindsight> power density
[15:47:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.idacontrol.com/articles.php?nid=10
[15:49:29] <roycroft> you need ONE MILLION WATTS of power for your "laser"
[15:51:09] <roycroft> which is way easier to produce than 1.21 gigawatts
[15:51:27] <roycroft> so laser cutting is easier than time travel
[15:53:21] <CaptHindsight> unless you wish to travel forward at 1 second per second
[15:55:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.parallax-tech.com/faq.htm
[15:56:45] <jesseg> Is there a way to convert an SVG (of paths) to a DXF?
[15:57:38] <CaptHindsight> blib: you can build one DIY for under $5K if you can find deals on parts
[15:57:57] <blib> CaptHindsight: thanks. Let me look at links you sent
[15:58:32] <CaptHindsight> blib: the makers of most systems don't publish their spot sizes
[15:58:46] <CaptHindsight> so you have to rely on their marketing
[15:59:31] <blib> CaptHindsight: can I put a laser on a xy plate and switch it on and off?
[15:59:43] <blib> I can then use steppers from 3d printers which are pretty precise?
[15:59:49] <CaptHindsight> optics vendors on the otherhand publish their specs so you can easily see what spot size vs focal length you'll have with a given beam expander size
[16:00:09] <blib> I guess the head is heavy in this case, so 3d printer xy axis won't cut it
[16:01:07] <blib> CaptHindsight: how does plasma cutting work? how does that compare with laser cuts?
[16:01:13] <blib> are plasma cutters way cheaper?
[16:01:50] <Wolf_> narrow kerf plasma are spendy I think
[16:02:52] <CaptHindsight> blib: looks for videos and pictures of plasma cut parts
[16:04:17] <roycroft> plasma cutters are fairly inexpensive
[16:04:31] <roycroft> cnc plasma cutters much more expensiv
[16:04:32] <roycroft> e
[16:04:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/30302/TMP.objres.256.pdf
[16:04:46] <roycroft> providing clean, dry air to your plasma cutter fairly expensive
[16:08:48] <jesseg> roycroft, I added a drying chamber onto a little dehumidifier unit for my plasma cutter. I can find pics if you want, but I made it from copper tubes and PVC, and of course had to recharge the system, but it freezes the air to perhaps 10F or so I suppose and freezes most of the water out of it
[16:09:37] <blib> roycroft: cnc plasma cutter? links to a good one?
[16:09:43] <CaptHindsight> cheaper than running a line in from the Gobi Desert
[16:09:54] <Wolf_> i have a commercial type chiller water separator on my setup
[16:10:30] <CaptHindsight> blib: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GantryPlasmaMachine
[16:14:16] <jesseg> roycroft, here's mine: http://videoflier.com/files/Plasma_Cutter_Air_Drier_1_20151224_151842_resized.jpg
[16:15:30] <blib> jesseg: what exactly is that?
[16:16:00] <blib> CaptHindsight: Fiberglass lasers, any chance one can get it below 5k?
[16:16:47] <Wolf_> really needs a tank and condensation drain on that refrigerated air drier
[16:17:24] <CaptHindsight> blib: fiber lasers cost more than tube types
[16:18:12] <CaptHindsight> blib: a fiber laser can produce a smaller spot so less overall laser energy is required to produce the same power density
[16:18:13] <jesseg> blib, an air drier. Feed shop air in one end, and it goes through a bunch of 1/2 inch copper tubes that are all soldered to 1/4 inch copper tubes, which carry the liquid R22. There are twisted vanes inside the 1/2 copper tubes as well, so the shop air gets full chilling and freezes the water out of it.
[16:19:17] <CaptHindsight> blib: so a lower wattage fiber laser can do the job of a higher wattage tube laser
[16:19:54] <blib> so no hope of fiberglass at 5k?
[16:20:22] <CaptHindsight> not new for cutting metal sheet, but possible used
[16:20:32] <blib> CaptHindsight: https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Economical-low-cost-fiberglass-laser-cutting_60299104698.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.ulVyro
[16:20:44] <blib> CaptHindsight: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/fiberglass-laser-cutting-with-CE_60378328976.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.ulVyro
[16:21:15] <blib> are these fiber glass? will they cut thin metal?
[16:21:35] <blib> in the docs they claim it works?
[16:21:51] <CaptHindsight> I'd have to have them in front of me since the Chinese have no concept of truth in advertising
[16:22:51] <CaptHindsight> plus they only list them as being able to engrave metal vs cut
[16:22:53] <blib> buy on credit card, and remove the payment after a month if these guys act up?
[16:23:00] <blib> CaptHindsight: they list as cut
[16:23:07] <blib> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/fiberglass-laser-cutting-with-CE_60378328976.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.ulVyro
[16:23:17] <blib> you are right
[16:23:23] <blib> they say no
[16:23:28] <blib> not even engraving on steel
[16:23:40] <CaptHindsight> and they list is as a fiber laser and further down show tubes
[16:23:48] <CaptHindsight> so who knows
[16:24:47] <Deejay> gn8
[16:25:06] <CaptHindsight> cradek: my understanding was that if a servo thread takes longer than the servo_task_period it will generate an real time error
[16:26:54] <CaptHindsight> this appears to not be the case if my max time is 346,786 and my servo period is set to 200,000
[16:27:14] <CaptHindsight> what am I misunderstanding?
[16:28:10] <cradek> um, some of those thread "timings" are in clock cycles and not seconds, and I've never figured out the pattern
[16:28:26] <cradek> maybe those are clocks?
[16:28:55] <cradek> iirc, halscope can plot the run time of motion too, and I'm pretty sure it's time not clocks
[16:29:00] * cradek waves his arms
[16:29:10] <MacGalempsy> man, I keep missing plpower
[16:29:31] <CaptHindsight> I'll understand it all one of these years
[16:31:00] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: sad fact is that the more stuff you know, the more stuff you know that you don't know about.
[16:31:07] <XXCoder> so it will never end
[16:31:21] <XXCoder> well going to work laters
[16:33:52] <CaptHindsight> blib: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coherent-C70-CO2-laser-/331600995109 70W co2 and has a 20K hr life vs 200 hour china tube
[16:36:02] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: thanks for that little tidbit. I would like to say that the pots now control the feed and spindle overrides! woohoo!
[16:44:53] <Tom_itx> jesseg, have you seen this? https://cloudconvert.com/svg-to-dxf
[16:45:30] <PCW_> CaptHindsight: as far as I know all or close to all times are in CPU clocks
[16:46:45] <PCW_> all _measured_ times
[16:47:36] <PCW_> all (or almost all) time _settings_ are in ns
[16:48:41] <jesseg> Tom_itx, thanks! I had seen it and I thought it required a dropbox account, but it also lets you download.. it converted, now testing results.. THanks!
[16:49:56] <jesseg> Tom_itx, that actually did it, more or less. However, actually, I wonder of Autocad can directly import SVG?
[16:50:29] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i avoid it like the plague
[16:50:36] <jesseg> svg or autocad?
[16:50:38] <Tom_itx> acad
[16:50:46] <jesseg> oh yeah I don't blame you :P
[16:50:46] <Tom_itx> i could try, i've got an older ver
[16:50:58] <jesseg> nah I'll have the CNC shop try an SVG.
[16:51:20] <Tom_itx> what format is that?
[16:51:25] <Tom_itx> not one i know
[16:52:17] <dioz> i have never seen a wikd thing feel sorry for itself
[16:52:22] <jesseg> SVG? Scalable Vector Graphics. It's for websites lol
[16:52:35] <Tom_itx> you just released your top secret military files to the world when you put them on the cloud though
[16:52:42] <dioz> a small bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.
[16:52:59] <jesseg> Tom_itx, oh yeah well in this case it's just a test sketch :D
[16:53:14] <dioz> :s/wikd/wild/
[16:53:35] <CaptHindsight> PCW_: thanks
[16:53:43] <Tom_itx> Jymmm
[16:55:41] <CaptHindsight> PCW_: so the max time it takes for that servo thread is 346,786ns which is 146,786ns longer than the servo task setting of 200,000ns
[16:55:45] <jesseg> blib, roycroft here are more pictures of my DIY air drier, including inside the drying chamber: http://videoflier.com/files/AirDrier/
[16:55:57] <CaptHindsight> PCW_: shouldn't that generate a real time error?
[16:56:32] <PCW_> not 346,786 ns 346,786 CPU clocks
[16:57:25] <CaptHindsight> oh sorry
[16:57:39] <PCW_> so if the CPU speed is > 1.75 GHz, you would not expect an error
[16:58:23] <CaptHindsight> times are in CPU clocks, servo thread period is in nS
[16:59:23] <CaptHindsight> have to make a BIG note of that
[16:59:50] <Tom_itx> you'll just end up hilighting the whole manual
[16:59:56] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[17:00:48] <CaptHindsight> confusing when some times are in nS and other in CPU cycles
[17:01:05] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:02:10] * Tom_itx wonders if JT-Shop has a storage shed yet
[17:02:38] <CaptHindsight> so this might clear things up http://pastebin.com/ApgrxKmr
[17:03:37] <CaptHindsight> and I finally found a use for my overclocked 5GHz cpu :)
[17:03:57] <Tom_itx> making toast?
[17:04:42] <CaptHindsight> faster servo threads
[17:05:27] <CaptHindsight> or offload the open loop servo to the FPGA
[17:06:04] <CaptHindsight> but then the trajectory planner would become the bottleneck
[17:07:34] <CaptHindsight> getting all this stuff today makes it feel like xmas
[17:10:44] <Tom_itx> proprietary fpga board?
[17:11:17] <PCW_> I think you are wrong about the TP, as long as you unload linear interpolation a couple KHz is more than enough for TP
[17:12:12] <CaptHindsight> I'd change from analog to the SPI-ish format for the galvos
[17:13:04] <CaptHindsight> XY2-100
[17:14:03] <PCW_> all I am saying is that the galvos are not more than a KHz or so bandwidth so a TP running at 2-3 x bandwidth is adequate
[17:14:20] <CaptHindsight> I follow you
[17:14:45] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: it looks like one... http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-12.jpg
[17:14:47] <CaptHindsight> I never looked at how long the TP planner takes to run threads
[17:14:48] <PCW_> _but_ the low level hardware needs to do interpolation
[17:15:35] <PCW_> basically the low level hardware should do velocity mode
[17:15:50] <Sync> hm, some galvos can do a lot of pps...
[17:16:02] <CaptHindsight> not this again :)
[17:16:14] <PCW_> PPS is not bandwidth
[17:17:10] <CaptHindsight> the motors on the high speed models are <1KHz
[17:17:59] <gregcnc> capt is this still the printer build?
[17:18:24] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: controlling galvos
[17:18:42] <CaptHindsight> SLA, SLS and cutting
[17:18:47] <gregcnc> ooh
[17:19:14] <CaptHindsight> I have Linuxcnc controlling the Nobel1.0 now
[17:19:39] <CaptHindsight> http://us.xyzprinting.com/us_en/Product/Nobel-1.0
[17:20:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: but I'm building some bigger things with Linuxcnc and glavos next
[17:21:19] <gregcnc> has the 3 in 1 been done?
[17:21:35] <CaptHindsight> SLA, SLS and cutting?
[17:21:36] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: has the solution costs dropped for those?
[17:21:41] <gregcnc> right
[17:22:16] <Sync> CaptHindsight: isn't the ilda pps test like the amount of times they can cover an 8° angle?
[17:22:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: don't think so
[17:22:21] <Sync> so it kinda is the bandwidth
[17:23:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Systems/Scanning1.html
[17:24:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.laserist.org/StandardsDocs/ILDA_TestPattern95_rev002.pdf
[17:25:08] <CaptHindsight> Sync: this angle is "about 8 degrees optical or less". (At 8 degrees, the width of the test pattern is roughly 1/7th the scanner-to-screen distance)
[17:26:07] <CaptHindsight> http://pangolin.com/ILDAtest.html
[17:28:25] <Sync> ah okay
[17:28:30] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the price would be driven by the cutting laser spec
[17:29:03] <gregcnc> i didn't know lasers are so expensive
[17:29:10] <CaptHindsight> so could be 10K X the cost of whats required to polymerize resin
[17:29:34] <CaptHindsight> photoresin 50mW 506nm laser
[17:30:25] <CaptHindsight> and is $25, 1/8" steel laser $50k
[17:31:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the ChinaCo tunes are cheap but last 100th the time of a Coherent CO2
[17:31:37] <CaptHindsight> tunes/tubes
[17:31:48] <gregcnc> how are tehy different?
[17:32:10] <CaptHindsight> materials and gas purity
[17:32:35] <CaptHindsight> I think the ChinaCo fill from discarded soda fountains
[17:32:38] <PCW_> lightshow performance is not really comparable (you probably want a couple slit/photodiodes for auto-calibration
[17:33:26] <CaptHindsight> PCW_: if you want accuracy and properly proportioned prints
[17:35:57] <CaptHindsight> if ChinaCo could make tubes for 2-5x the price and last 10X longer they would be busy
[17:36:44] <CaptHindsight> but 200 hour tube life is way too short
[17:37:04] <Sync> they last longer
[17:40:21] <CaptHindsight> ok 250-300 :)
[17:52:44] <Sync> have you actually used one and tracked laser power?
[17:56:46] <CaptHindsight> yes
[17:57:24] <CaptHindsight> checked with a laseroutputometer
[17:57:32] <CaptHindsight> very accurate and made in China
[18:00:42] <t12> get refillable ones and swap gas?
[18:01:51] <CaptHindsight> I'd rather buy a used Coherent than new Chinese
[18:02:22] <CaptHindsight> but if I were making laser cutter than are only warrantied for 1 year....
[18:03:16] <CaptHindsight> that's the Chinese gamble, how to detect the good tubes vs the low life tubes
[18:03:43] <t12> at some scale its just a matter of asking them to build stuff differently for you
[18:03:49] <t12> and doing the QC
[18:04:01] <t12> which might be worth it for lasers if you dont care about stuff like coherence length
[18:04:19] <CaptHindsight> use CO2 vs soda stream refill
[18:04:35] <t12> might need to clean stuff better pre-assembly
[18:04:45] <CaptHindsight> all the above
[18:05:05] <t12> but if it comes down to like 3 changes on their assy line
[18:05:09] <t12> they'll do it if you negotiate it
[18:05:13] <CaptHindsight> I had a partner there that didn't want to do anything in house
[18:05:41] <CaptHindsight> always seemed to think that QC would just magically happen
[18:05:50] <t12> its def teeth pulling
[18:06:21] <CaptHindsight> after their culture has set their system for thousands of years
[18:08:11] <t12> i think the things that govern chinese manufacturing quality are pretty recent
[18:08:13] <t12> in terms of culture
[18:09:06] <CaptHindsight> trying to get away with cutting as many corners as possible without you noticing goes far back
[18:10:50] <_methods> wtf chrome browser removed the backspace to go back a page
[18:11:04] <_methods> they don't even have a flag to turn it back on like firefox
[18:12:00] <t12> backspace to go back was terrible
[18:15:22] <_methods> if you're a retard maybe
[18:16:21] <t12> having a modal button that is do common text editing function if in a text box, and go back to the previous page and dump current page state if your not
[18:16:22] <malcom2073> Or you know, you could use alt left like everyone else
[18:16:26] <t12> is a pretty bad ui choice
[18:16:43] <malcom2073> A specific, hard-to-accidently-hit button combo to do distructive things like unload a page
[18:16:48] <_methods> i've been using backspace for 20 years
[18:16:58] <_methods> i like 1 button for a reason
[18:17:02] <_methods> it's one fucking button
[18:17:16] <malcom2073> I like using back space to you know... back space text.
[18:17:25] <CaptHindsight> I've been using vowels for over 50 but yah don't see me whining :)
[18:17:25] <_methods> hard to hit alt+left while i'm eating a fuckin donut
[18:17:35] <malcom2073> Don't be so fat?
[18:17:36] <malcom2073> :-P
[18:17:57] <malcom2073> I'm with you though on one thing: They should have an option to re-enable for those who got used to it
[18:18:02] <_methods> exactly
[18:18:05] <t12> no
[18:18:06] <_methods> firefox does
[18:18:16] <t12> making a checkbox history spanning all time for every ui change is bad
[18:18:21] <_methods> maybe some skilled firefox coders can come help google out
[18:18:29] <CaptHindsight> Google knows better than you do
[18:18:39] <_methods> nerd rage
[18:18:41] <CaptHindsight> you don't want that
[18:18:56] <t12> knowing people involved in firefox deveopment
[18:19:01] <t12> you def dont want them helping google out
[18:19:57] <t12> mozilla foundation development priorities are very bizzare
[18:20:11] <CaptHindsight> t12: do all the good coders end up retiring and running away to desolate islands in the south pacific?
[18:20:20] <t12> coding for mozilla is like nonprofit
[18:20:27] <t12> all their income amounts to very large grants
[18:20:40] <t12> so all their choices are not really coupled to anything financial
[18:20:47] <Tom_itx> _methods does backspace work in life?
[18:21:06] <Tom_itx> wouldn't that be handy
[18:21:25] <_methods> i'd like to backspace on google
[18:21:40] <_methods> OH NOES I JUST HIT alt+left and wiped out my form date
[18:21:44] <_methods> s/date/data
[18:22:02] <Tom_itx> so stop messin around then
[18:23:23] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rastering_With_A_Laser
[18:23:37] <CaptHindsight> have to try this next
[18:24:12] <malcom2073> _methods: They keep making better idiots :-P
[18:24:56] <_methods> meh rant over
[18:25:18] <malcom2073> Don't be a quitter!
[18:27:57] <CaptHindsight> "# Boring components that emc makes me load explicitly because it is a cunt" commnet in custom laser HAL INI
[18:28:09] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/jedediah/hacklab-engraver/blob/master/hacklab-engraver3.hal
[18:28:35] <CaptHindsight> how frustrated was he the day he wrote that?
[18:28:36] <SpeedEvil> In many ways I suspect the nicest part of being a billionaire would be being able to employ people to freeze software you use and backport fixes.
[18:32:00] <malcom2073> I find most people who put those kinds of comments in, are that angry/frustrated every day.
[18:36:52] <roycroft> the nicest part about being a billionaire would be that youwould not need to be concerned with sofware at all :)
[18:38:30] <malcom2073> I'd still code I think
[18:38:41] <CaptHindsight> the problems are which wives do I buy today, which regime do I back this time, why does Warren dress like Bill
[18:38:56] <Tom_itx> i might expand the garage a bit and add a couple cnc's
[18:39:19] <malcom2073> I'd open a maker/hackerspace or three
[18:42:26] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-13.jpg
[18:42:41] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-14.jpg
[18:44:00] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Lookin good!
[18:44:04] <malcom2073> So jealous
[18:44:08] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: did they lift each truss one at a time or take 2 or 3 up at once?
[18:44:48] <CaptHindsight> oh, looks like 1 in 13.jpg
[18:53:39] <FloppyDisk> Make sure you put in more than 1 electrical outlet:-)
[19:58:15] <jesseg> Does this DXF file open? I opened mine in librecad and saved it as DXF: http://videoflier.com/files/test3.dxf
[20:02:26] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:19:27] <MacGalempsy> does anyone have a problem with the screen going scrambled with linuxcnc debian wheezy?
[20:47:41] <Duc> anyone see a issue with using to clamps to hold down this chuck of AL. I need to machine out a 7.5in hole in the center of the piece and round the top.
[20:47:43] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Guns/Turrent/20160809_195141_zpszenioyrg.jpg
[20:48:35] <SpeedEvil> Large chunk is large
[20:49:11] <SpeedEvil> If they're properly cranked down, doesn't seem like there'd be much issue
[20:50:18] <SpeedEvil> I'd put an extra clamp on if I could, and periodically check tightness, but that would be more from cost of part point of view rather than expecting them to fall off
[20:54:43] <Duc> I can split up the machining order to bore hole first then round the top
[20:56:00] <SpeedEvil> Or you could just roughly drill a hole somewhere in the middle, and use that to clamp
[20:56:12] <SpeedEvil> but it's probably easier the other way
[20:56:51] <SpeedEvil> Does it really need to be solid Al? Or is it just easiest to fabricate ratehr than cast or something
[21:03:14] <Duc> easier to fabricate that way
[21:03:20] <Duc> Ill upload a picture of the setup
[21:04:32] <Duc> plus no room for a melting furance in the garage
[21:06:47] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Guns/Turrent/turrent_zpswcmm5jwl.jpg
[21:06:53] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Guns/Turrent/sentry%20mount_zps5kygktmf.jpg
[21:08:53] <FloppyDisk> I always like the calendar I can order off photobucket of the pix... Might want a few of them...
[21:19:25] <zeeshan> duc that isnt going anywhere
[21:19:26] <zeeshan> :P
[21:20:01] <Duc> I didnt think so but hate to scrap a $75 chuck of metal that I had to spend some time on
[21:20:20] <Duc> dam thing had to be faced by .070 to make flat
[21:24:17] <Duc> zeeshan: plus not like I can go to town with a 2hp mill
[21:56:46] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan:
[21:57:20] <MacGalempsy> hey have you had any problems with the screen glitching out?
[22:00:41] <Tom_itx> you don't have any screensavers etc on do you?
[22:02:31] <MacGalempsy> i do, but also set the timeouts to like 720 minues
[22:02:40] <MacGalempsy> minutes, so how could it be that?
[22:03:03] <MacGalempsy> its like the screen goes dark, then I go to start it up and the screen looks like a snowstorm
[22:03:41] <Tom_itx> check the cables
[22:03:50] <MacGalempsy> perhaps it is a driver issue
[22:04:03] <MacGalempsy> the cables are good. I unplugged it and plugged it back in
[22:06:55] <MacGalempsy> but the screen stays glitched. now if I log off, the screen instantly comes back perfect
[22:08:57] <Tom_itx> odd
[22:09:32] <MacGalempsy> very odd. I was thinking about updating the bios, but it is late, so it will have to happen tomorrow
[22:18:12] <paideia> https://dropfile.to/y7eGN22
[22:21:03] <MacGalempsy> i just changed it from the dvi-d to to the sub-d connection. the plan is to let it go over night and then see whats up in the am
[22:52:17] <dioz> 10 minutes at work and i start using "fuck" like a comma
[22:52:19] <dioz> god damn