#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-08-05

[00:00:13] <renesis> you become a precision CNC machinist, gain experience with machines, and then build one based on your experiences
[00:00:40] <codepython777> i see
[00:00:47] <renesis> but if you just want a CNC that works, uyou can slap something together with ebay shit
[00:00:49] <codepython777> so there is no hope of using it like i do my 3d printer
[00:01:25] <renesis> basically if thats yopur attitude about machining, youre probably not going to be successful
[00:01:32] <codepython777> i see
[00:02:11] <renesis> if you dont know which parts can be cut simply in a single setup, its maybe going to be a ton more work than 3d printing too
[00:02:26] <renesis> 3d printing, you dont have to care so much about DFM
[00:03:33] <renesis> in CNC machining its the difference between something that takes one setup and no intervention to cut, or something that takes tons of setup, tons of tooling, basically a professional to stress about work holding and re-align that shit all day
[00:04:41] <renesis> also if you cant do speeds and feeds math, youre maybe going to wear or break all your tooling pretty quick
[00:04:51] <renesis> and endmills aint as cheap as that filament shit
[00:05:09] <renesis> also when you fuckup on a 3d printer, its not capable of literally eating itself
[00:05:26] <codepython777> :)
[00:07:18] <os1r1s> Of all the things you mentioned, the setup and planning is killer
[00:07:39] <os1r1s> Often it takes more time to setup than to actually mill
[00:08:02] <os1r1s> Unless you are running bulk parts, but that isn't very common for home shops
[00:18:11] <ljn> Launching PNCconf I still see the error: You have no hostmod2 firmware downloaded in folder: /lib/firmware/hm2/ ...
[00:18:25] <ljn> Is that something I install with apt-get?
[02:35:05] <Deejay> moin
[04:58:39] <jthornton> morning
[05:00:03] <jthornton> ohh they moved the 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms to after 2pm
[05:02:01] <jthornton> concrete ETA 90 minutes
[05:30:54] <JT-Shop> never seen this before
[05:31:11] <JT-Shop> JT in the shop at 5am
[05:41:07] <Deejay> must be some kind of mental illness ;)
[05:44:28] <XXCoder> heys
[05:50:23] <JT-Shop> concrete guys are here getting ready to pour
[05:51:18] <XXCoder> yay time to rock out
[05:51:28] <XXCoder> literally rock out.
[05:52:23] <_methods> seems like no matter how much you prepare, when concrete shows up something always goes wrong
[05:52:47] <_methods> you end up sprinting around searching for something or repairing something
[05:56:12] <JT-Shop> they have 6-7 guys out there, he brought in extra help
[06:07:22] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-01.jpg
[06:07:28] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-02.jpg
[06:07:32] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-03.jpg
[06:07:48] * XXCoder gets plane tickets so he can do handprints
[06:08:55] * archivist does boot prints
[06:09:37] <XXCoder> on nonexistant concerete nice
[06:09:47] <XXCoder> ummm unless..
[06:10:02] <XXCoder> hmm your nickname might be Who?
[06:10:25] <archivist> have to sneak in just after the concrete guys smoothed it ans left
[06:12:06] <archivist> there is enough space there for moar shed
[06:13:29] <XXCoder> if youre doc who you just need tiny shed to fit tons of equipment
[06:13:43] <XXCoder> like 8'x10' cnc router, 2 machine cell, etc
[06:18:39] <JT-Shop> lol
[06:18:54] <XXCoder> http://interestingengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/water-outlet-copy.jpg
[06:20:58] <_methods> hydro-electric outlet
[06:21:09] <_methods> power straight from the dam
[06:22:01] <XXCoder> fresh filtered current water
[06:23:31] <malcom2073> Someone said imagine electricity like water
[06:23:48] <XXCoder> that works in some aspects but not always
[06:23:53] <XXCoder> you cant build capactor
[06:23:55] <XXCoder> 8water
[06:24:11] <malcom2073> shhhh
[06:24:51] <archivist> tank is a capacitor for water
[06:25:16] <archivist> that has built in electrical bug killing
[06:37:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, looks like the weather is going around you
[06:37:50] <Tom_itx> for now..
[06:38:48] <Tom_itx> raining here
[06:54:11] <JT-Shop> yea not supposed to rain till this afternoon maybe
[06:54:17] <JT-Shop> one truck down 3 to go
[06:54:36] <XXCoder> it's raining upwards here
[07:09:31] <JT-Shop> keep it up there for a week or 3
[07:09:36] <JT-Shop> 2 down 2 to go
[07:13:55] <XXCoder> and infinite to be not done
[07:17:44] <archivist> this is where the volume guess gets important at the last load :)
[07:36:43] <JT-Shop> they added a 5th truck, he got it a little deep in the middle when he scraped it off
[07:37:03] <JT-Shop> so 35 yards of concrete
[07:40:00] <archivist> two of us did a mobile home base many years ago, one needs to be fit for that sort of work
[07:50:14] <lair82> They only put 7 yards on each truck?
[07:51:36] <archivist> 7 yards is heavy
[07:52:47] <lair82> It is, but up here, they will run 8-10 depending
[07:54:57] <tiwake> _methods: poke
[08:06:24] <ctjctj> is realtime of uspace capable of driving real hardware?
[08:07:54] <tiwake> as long as you don't live in nevernever land
[08:09:39] <ctjctj> tiwake, I'm sorry. Last I knew I had to run rtai(?) in order to get realtime support. And that required an older linux kernel. I don't understand if "uspace" is a replacement for rtai. If it is, is it worth while to upgrade from a 10.10 ubuntu to a 16.04 with uspace?
[08:14:57] <JT-Shop> they had to drive on back fill and do a hill climb
[08:16:05] <archivist> moar pics of base ?
[08:17:17] <JT-Shop> in a bit
[08:22:38] <JT-Shop> more photos http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/
[08:24:51] <malcom2073> Nice!
[08:25:04] <Tom_itx> just glad i'm not finishing it
[08:28:27] <malcom2073> Finishing concrete scares me
[08:28:31] <malcom2073> I have a barn I need to do someday
[08:29:04] <tiwake> malcom2073: acid stain kind of finishing?
[08:30:11] <malcom2073> tiwake: No, floating and screeding
[08:30:20] <tiwake> hmm
[08:30:55] <tiwake> malcom2073: you should get quartz gravel and coat the concrete, while it is firming up and tamp it in
[08:31:13] <tiwake> after its done drying sand the whole surface down :3
[08:31:49] <SpeedEvil> There are lots of fun exotic stones you can use
[08:31:50] <tiwake> oh wait, its just for a barn
[08:32:13] <tiwake> yeah, only do that for a classy shop, or a house
[08:32:19] <tiwake> or maybe driveway
[08:32:28] <malcom2073> Hah yeah, mine is my barn where my machines and cars and stuff go
[08:32:45] <tiwake> oh, its not a barn then
[08:33:00] <tiwake> barns are for animals
[08:33:02] <tiwake> :P
[08:33:50] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: I'm still not quite sure how to deal with the concrete cracking and ruining the pretty surface though
[08:34:15] <lair82> Looks like you did a major overhaul on that Deere, mid-project?
[08:36:47] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: the 'simple' solution is to keep it in compression all the time - but that's complex in practice. Crack control joints can be concealed somewhat
[08:37:15] <tiwake> hmm
[08:37:42] <SpeedEvil> for example, run sleeves for cables, and post-tension
[08:38:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.concretenetwork.com/post-tension/basics.html
[08:38:06] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: crack control joints that I've seen still have the slabs cracking in the middle though
[08:38:50] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[08:39:04] <SpeedEvil> Well
[08:39:22] <SpeedEvil> they have cracks at defined points - if there are cracks not at the control joints, there weren't enough of them
[08:39:49] <tiwake> I mean, could make the concrete look like tile was laid down
[08:40:21] <SpeedEvil> post-tensioned slab won't crack - done properly
[08:40:54] <tiwake> well yeah, thats the definition of "done properly", the lack of cracking
[08:40:56] <tiwake> lol
[08:44:57] <ctjctj> I am getting the following error: Near line 18 of FILE Radius to end of arc differs from radius to start: start=(x4.3252,Y2.5392) center=(X4.2168,Y2.7400) R2=1.7043 abs_err=1.467 rel_err=86.0648% Line 18 doesn't look anything like that. I can't find a single reference to 4.3262 in the ngc file. This is on the actual controller running 2.7.6 while 2.7.6 running as a simulator elsewhere loads the same file fine. How do I track
[08:44:57] <ctjctj> this issue down and correct it?
[08:53:00] <jthornton> what is on the next line?
[08:54:43] <ctjctj> N80 G3 X2.5256 Y2.9608 Z0.0739 I-0.1094 J0.2108 (This is line 18)
[08:55:06] <ctjctj> I'm feeling a little fullish as that is an arc.
[08:55:07] <jthornton> what is 17?
[08:55:50] <ctjctj> I'm sorry for the spam:N75 G1 Z0.1 F40.
[08:55:50] <ctjctj> N80 G3 X2.5256 Y2.9608 Z0.0739 I-0.1094 J0.2108
[08:55:50] <ctjctj> N85 X2.7444 Y2.5392 Z0.0479 I0.1094 J-0.2108
[08:55:50] <ctjctj> N90 X2.5256 Y2.9608 Z0.0218 I-0.1094 J0.2108
[08:55:51] <ctjctj> N95 X2.7444 Y2.5392 Z-0.0042 I0.1094 J-0.2108
[08:57:37] <jthornton> what is the line before the Z move?
[08:59:06] <jthornton> or I should say what is the XY move before the G3
[08:59:07] <ctjctj> N55 G0 X2.7444 Y2.5392
[08:59:07] <ctjctj> N60 G43 Z0.6 H1
[08:59:07] <ctjctj> N65 G0 Z0.2
[08:59:07] <ctjctj> N70 Z0.15
[08:59:07] <ctjctj> N75 G1 Z0.1 F40.
[08:59:31] <ctjctj> Everything before that is setup.
[09:00:47] <ctjctj> jthornton, -b http://paste.ubuntu.com/22312104/
[09:01:03] <ctjctj> well, without the -b
[09:04:10] <JT-Shop> hmm, it runs in a sim...
[09:04:29] <ctjctj> Yep. Chucking along right now. No errors. No reports of errors.
[09:07:56] <ctjctj> Let me see how it performs on a simulated CNC machine with the same software.
[09:12:01] <ctjctj> Ok. So I loaded the same file, on the same machine but used the axis-sim configuration with no errors.
[09:13:32] <ctjctj> Loading with a different configuration (created with stepconf) generates the error.
[09:16:20] <archivist> confusing inch with metric?
[09:17:32] <ctjctj> I do not believe so. All CAD was done in imperial. The sample cut is correctly sized. Everything looks like it is in imperial.
[09:20:46] <ctjctj> Ok. I deleted the old configuration but kept the jgro2.stepconf. Ran stepconf and modified jgro2.stepconf. In it I increased max jitter. Decreased the acceleration from 10 to 5. Now it loads.
[09:21:35] * JT-Shop wonders how a configuration can make an arc error happen???
[09:23:10] <ctjctj> JT-Shop, The only thing I can think of is that something figured that it couldn't make the move at the speeds requested...
[09:23:36] <gregcnc> it should just slow down
[09:24:26] <ctjctj> gregcnc, I'm willing to believe that. I was reported what was happening.
[09:25:04] <ctjctj> The fact that a sim configuration with same software, same hardware was able to load the file implied to me, heavily that it was a configuration error.
[09:25:34] <archivist> that error has been seen more than a few times from cam code
[09:25:52] <gregcnc> you could check that theory by reducing feed rate
[09:27:06] <ctjctj> archivist, I believe you. It is my belief that it was reducing the acceleration that "solved" the problem.
[09:27:38] <gregcnc> gcode doesn't care about acceleration
[09:28:04] <ctjctj> I'm just hoping that increasing the max jitter will allow my next attempt at cutting to actually run to completion. It is so frustrating to get two hours into a run and then have to press the estop.
[09:28:10] <archivist> linuxcnc does care about endpoints not working out correctly
[09:29:49] <ctjctj> archivist, I agree. The error was the error. I did not edit any of the configuration files created by stepconf. My changes to make the error go away was to increase max jitter and to decrease acceleration.
[09:33:27] <ctjctj> Wow, it is keeping touch off values (G54) across runs! That's great!
[09:34:14] <tiwake> ..?
[09:34:18] <tiwake> why would it not?
[09:35:02] <ctjctj> In the paste if I had to leave linuxcnc and restart it I do not believe it was preserving G54.
[09:35:15] <ctjctj> Of course it could just be that I never checked in the past.
[09:37:38] <tiwake> as far as I know, all CNC machines keep their tool touch-off values
[09:37:52] <ctjctj> tiwake, my error then.
[09:38:45] <JT-Shop> offsets are stored in numbered parameters http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
[09:39:32] <ctjctj> JT-Shop, yes. I knew that but I didn't connect that they were stored in a persistent manner across program restarts.
[09:40:15] <ctjctj> So the only other question in making this so much better is: How do I restart a program at a given line?
[09:45:39] <ctjctj> Regardless, thank you for the feedback on the issue. Just having different views into the problem lead me to a solution/work around. Thank you.
[09:47:18] <gregcnc> in axis you select the line and run from selected line
[09:48:03] <gregcnc> as with any control you have to be extremely careful with starting programs in the middle
[09:53:51] <tiwake> time to search for a store that might have a good price on CAT5/6 cable
[09:59:34] <ctjctj> gregcnc, thanks.
[10:00:51] <ctjctj> Are there any tools in linuxcnc that show "cutting" a solid. I.e. I want to run a simulation and then examine the simulated results.
[10:01:03] <ctjctj> Other systems sometimes call that a "backplot?"
[10:01:35] <renesis> usually a part of CAM
[10:02:05] <ctjctj> renesis, I don't trust the CAM. I do trust linuxcnc.
[10:02:43] <renesis> i dont think linuxcnc does it so theres nothing to trust
[10:02:55] <renesis> i may be wrong
[10:03:00] * ctjctj nods. "I had not seen anything so I asked"
[10:33:45] <FloppyDisk> JT shop - the concrete slab looks awesome. I was thinking maybe it was off grade 1/2" as well - hahaha...
[10:34:00] <FloppyDisk> From the pictures, of course...
[10:43:12] <archivist> ctjctj, see http://camotics.org/
[10:45:59] <ctjctj> archivist, installing now. Thank you.
[11:02:18] <ctjctj> archivist, pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
[11:08:27] <CaptHindsight> trying to expand from 3 to 5 axis CAM https://github.com/CauldronDevelopmentLLC/CAMotics/issues/17
[11:08:38] <CaptHindsight> will they do it?
[11:08:49] <_methods> i liked their old name better
[11:09:13] <CaptHindsight> OpenPit Development?
[11:09:20] <archivist> openscam
[11:09:49] <CaptHindsight> open scam was not the best choice
[11:09:55] <archivist> I had to search for the old name :)
[11:10:09] <archivist> more memorable
[11:10:10] <_methods> openscam made melol
[11:10:32] <_methods> madoff software company
[11:10:39] <archivist> camotic is too close to gearotic
[11:10:43] <CaptHindsight> from the "what were they thinking" category
[11:11:08] <_methods> camotic sounds like some sort of scrotal orthotic company name
[11:11:10] <archivist> probably not an english speaker
[11:11:47] <gregcnc> a model engineering club chose the site namesexposition for their event
[11:12:11] <_methods> sexplosion at the sexposition
[11:12:17] <ctjctj> gregcnc, easy to remember
[11:12:40] <_methods> steam powered dildos
[11:12:57] <_methods> whole new meaning to train
[11:13:20] <gregcnc> the intent was NAMES Exposition, but someone was asleep at the wheel
[11:14:31] <gregcnc> last i checked they were using the numeric address
[11:14:43] <_methods> 69?
[11:14:48] <gregcnc> lol
[11:14:55] <_methods> hehe
[11:16:53] <ctjctj> The house vpn is Easy to remember
[11:17:12] <ctjctj> got that wrong of course 192.168.69.x
[11:19:17] <ctjctj> Is there anything in the Axis display that shows total time tor run and total distance traveled?
[11:21:48] <gregcnc> file -> properties
[11:22:39] <gregcnc> I think we should just delete the docs, they take up too much space for the use they get
[11:22:41] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html
[11:29:33] <cradek> the snark is strong with this one!
[11:29:45] <gregcnc> sry
[11:29:47] <cradek> :-)
[11:30:13] <cradek> this gets asked a lot, so maybe File/Properties isn't as self-evident as it could be
[11:30:26] <gregcnc> maybe it's me I like to read
[11:30:43] <cradek> ctjctj: did you see it there and overlook it, or expect something else totally?
[11:31:34] <CaptHindsight> relabel it to :total time to run and total distance traveled
[11:31:36] <ctjctj> cradek, reference which of my silly, uninformed statements?
[11:32:25] <cradek> I mean when you were looking in AXIS for that information, and didn't notice File/Properties and try that, what were you expecting and looking for that would have been more evident?
[11:33:19] <CaptHindsight> I would not expect File/Properties to list run time and total distance
[11:33:38] <CaptHindsight> I'd expect that to tell the file size, date, etc
[11:33:54] <cradek> is there a better thing to call it?
[11:34:35] <ctjctj> cradek, I believe that my problem was that I didn't expect it to save across system/program restarts. Therefore I didn't look at it. I did not expect touchoffs (g54) to be something that would have persistence. So never tested it, never noticed it. Today I was running the axis remotely (CNC is powered down) and noticed exactly what the G54 on the screen actual meant.
[11:35:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe Program Run Time
[11:36:16] <MacGalempsy> good morning.
[11:37:15] <ctjctj> cradek, Ok. I know have context.
[11:37:15] <MacGalempsy> just got this ga-j1900-dv3 installed into the case. the board says fanless, but I notice two fan jacks. should I still use a fan, or will it be ok without one/two?
[11:38:25] <ctjctj> cradek, THANK YOU. File->preferences is the right place to look. I saw preferences and expected it to be program options/preferences. Which makes no sense in axis as all configurations are nominally done through configuration files.
[11:38:42] <ctjctj> Correction: File->properties
[11:39:17] <ctjctj> So I just didn't see it. I guess I expected to see it on the DRO tab.
[11:40:22] <ctjctj> Same way I've been looking for the "jog" buttons on the Axis screen for a week now and just didn't see them next to the drop down for "distance to move" "Continuous"
[11:40:29] <CaptHindsight> when I just looked at it I'd say a button vs it being a drop down is where I first looked
[11:41:35] <ctjctj> CaptHindsight, can you rephrase that please? I didn't quite follow.
[11:42:37] <CaptHindsight> File / Properties as a drop down vs a button
[11:43:03] <CaptHindsight> once you use it, you remember
[11:43:05] <gregcnc> most controls would have "cycle time" on a common display screen
[11:43:23] <ctjctj> CaptHindsight, menu "File" sub menu "properties" has the info. I'm not sure it is correct. It is reporting a run time of 112minutes for this file.
[11:44:06] <ctjctj> But the actual run was started at around 0930 and it is currently 1216
[11:44:55] <gregcnc> "Properties - The sum of the rapid and feed moves. Does not factor in acceleration, blending or path mode so time reported will never be less than the actual run time. "
[11:44:57] <CaptHindsight> AXIS overall is pretty intuitive
[11:45:25] <CaptHindsight> I've handed customers the keys after a few minutes of demo and I've had complaints
[11:45:36] <CaptHindsight> +never
[11:47:25] <CaptHindsight> the Help drop down brings up a reference
[11:47:33] <ctjctj> CaptHindsight, I hope to heck nobody is hearing me complain about it. It works. It does its job very very well. I'm trying to relearn some things.
[11:48:10] <CaptHindsight> would any further details be of use?
[11:48:42] <cradek> you're not complaining, and we're trying to benefit from knowing your brain states as a new user
[11:48:45] <CaptHindsight> ctjctj: nah, it's just that you have fresh eyes
[11:50:22] <ctjctj> Hallelujah! The "Turned OFF" cut ran to completion with no reported errors.
[11:50:50] <ctjctj> Or as a C compiler form years ago would report: "None of the errors detected"
[11:50:57] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: you around?
[11:51:12] <MacGalempsy> or Tom_itx?
[11:52:54] <JT-Shop> yup
[11:53:16] * JT-Shop needs to clean his desk but can't find a starting point
[11:53:35] <MacGalempsy> Good morning, The j1900-d3v came in and I got it all together. Do you use an additional CPU and system fans?
[11:54:28] <JT-Shop> let me look
[11:56:21] <JT-Shop> that is a fanless one, the only fan is in my power supply
[11:57:41] <MacGalempsy> ok. thats what I got, so going to fire it up. you mentioned linux mint was easier to use. can I load it, then have it download the components for lcnc?
[12:00:59] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint17.3.txt
[12:02:14] <MacGalempsy> muchas gracias
[12:02:44] <JT-Shop> yw
[12:43:07] <gregcnc> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/hackers-steal-100-vehicles-transport-mexico-41138325
[12:45:26] <plpower> hi all
[12:45:46] <plpower> today the new 1st 12.04 series went on chipping
[12:45:56] <plpower> 8 mashines cool milling
[12:46:13] <plpower> nice easy and smooth
[12:46:26] <plpower> 4hr of install to all in
[12:46:42] <plpower> camotics is not the best SIM
[12:46:50] <plpower> troubeled most
[12:46:59] <plpower> Heeks perfect
[12:47:11] <plpower> as all posts running as planed
[12:47:26] <plpower> CRC back in place
[12:48:37] <plpower> below 30min from DVD insert to first mill move way faster then the 10.04 full install
[12:48:53] <plpower> so here its a turning point
[12:49:09] <plpower> 2.7.6
[12:49:47] <plpower> THANKS Folks
[12:50:15] <plpower> tomorrow the xhc hb04 will be the tryout
[12:51:17] <plpower> done for today GN8
[12:52:51] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, yup
[12:53:30] <MacGalempsy> hi Tom_itx I was trying to figure out if a fan should be used with this j1900 m.b.
[12:53:50] <MacGalempsy> JT is not, so I went ahead and fired it up.
[12:54:05] <plpower> MacGalempsy: depends on how long your job runs
[12:54:19] <plpower> if 8hr shift cooling is always a good idee
[12:54:42] <plpower> if you plan to mill in public audiance maybe not
[12:54:44] <Tom_itx> it won't hurt having it
[12:54:45] <MacGalempsy> all that is in there is a small laptop HDD, the fanless MB, and the mesa 5i25
[12:54:59] <Tom_itx> but unless it's in a hot environment it should be ok
[12:55:21] <MacGalempsy> good point on long jobs. all I had were 120, and it takes a 80mm.
[12:55:22] <Tom_itx> go ssd for even less heat
[12:55:36] <JT-Shop> yea, my shop is air conditioned so if your in a hot place a fan would be good
[12:55:53] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, all poured and finished?
[12:56:26] <plpower> <- goes ofline
[12:56:26] <Tom_itx> saw the AM pics...
[12:56:42] <JT-Shop> finishing now, was cloudy for a while now sunny
[12:56:52] <Tom_itx> rain here now it's clear
[12:57:00] <Tom_itx> bet it's heading east :)
[12:57:11] <MacGalempsy> its suppose to rain in NW Ark on sunday
[12:57:31] <MacGalempsy> cancelled our trip to the range
[12:57:59] <Tom_itx> looks good in your neck of woods so far... err swamp
[12:58:12] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx
[13:02:08] <MacGalempsy> the machine is loading all that dist-upgrade stuff. taking forever...
[13:11:40] <lair82> Hello Guys, does anyone know of a supplier and or brand of roller plunger, side actuation limit switch like this, http://www.alliedelec.com/honeywell-sl1-a/70120108/ that isn't a hundred bucks a piece?
[13:12:47] <lair82> I'm just looking for the right angle, threaded stem type like that, fairly small. Cable/cable gland doesn't matter, just as long as it is that style
[13:14:10] <Tom_itx> http://www.mouser.com/Omron/Electromechanical/Switches/Limit-Switches/_/N-ap979?P=1z0zl9e
[13:14:15] <Tom_itx> look there
[13:14:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron-Automation-and-Safety/SHL-Q2255/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvtvLpr4%252baZ9%2fpdgKBvVO%2fgInP235e1ZyI%3d
[13:14:39] <Tom_itx> a possibility
[13:14:50] <gregcnc> http://www.alliedelec.com/omron-automation-z-15gq22-b/70179072/
[13:14:57] <gregcnc> your paying for IP67
[13:15:07] <gregcnc> you're
[13:15:51] <cradek> none at surplus center...
[13:15:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron-Automation-and-Safety/ZE-N-2S/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvtvLpr4%252baZ91sC1bgdCnMhbCHhKytUh7E%3d
[13:16:09] <CaptHindsight> IP67 for only ~$62
[13:16:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.mscdirect.com/industrialtools/roller-plunger-limit-switches.html
[13:18:12] <CaptHindsight> ChinaCo Nolastloong maybe cheaper :)
[13:18:27] <Tom_itx> of course
[13:18:43] <Tom_itx> comes with lead contacts instead of silver / platinum
[13:19:38] <lair82> I will probably go for the cable style switch, water tight. The big Okuma I just hooked up probably has a dozen or so of these style switches on it and they all look like this, http://www.mouser.com/images/omron/images/shlq2255.jpg and all of the plastic covers are busted off with the terminals showing.
[13:20:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1pcs-Panel-Mounted-Push-Plunger-Actuator-Basic-Limit-Switch-AZ7310-/371700400953 starting bid $1
[13:20:17] <lair82> ANd they are all covered in about an inch of oil and dirt
[13:21:17] <CaptHindsight> this one says Good Quality right in the listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-ME-8111-Self-reset-Pin-Plunger-Type-AC-Limit-Switch-8111-good-quality-/251636496376
[13:21:42] <lair82> Well that sold me right there
[13:21:46] <lair82> LOL
[13:23:36] <malcom2073> I'm sitting at my parents house, and my dad just got a couple of new limit switches for his mill from HGR for like, $5 each
[13:23:47] <malcom2073> They just came in the mail. Much strudier than the china stuff
[13:24:36] <cradek> at hgr they probably just pry them off some machine they'll sell to someone else later
[13:24:50] <gregcnc> ebay search SL1A
[13:25:41] <lair82> HGR has a lot of shit that's for sure, that place is huge, you can walk around for hours inside that place
[13:25:57] <cradek> yep I think it's multiple acres
[13:26:03] <malcom2073> Lol probably cradek
[13:26:05] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/181975373278
[13:26:11] <cradek> they have a lot of cool stuff
[13:26:13] <malcom2073> We just browse their ebay auctions, don't think they're close to us
[13:26:20] <cradek> cleveland
[13:26:23] <malcom2073> Yeah that's a bit far
[13:26:29] <lair82> Easily a few acres, probably around 10
[13:26:39] <cradek> they have an adequate website and salesmen you can call
[13:26:52] <lair82> Been there a few times
[13:27:09] <CaptHindsight> how many football fields is 10 acres?
[13:27:19] <cradek> um, a few?
[13:27:26] <cradek> american measures are weird
[13:28:12] <lair82> Football filed is roughly 9/10 of an acre
[13:28:21] <lair82> field not filed
[13:28:54] <lair82> So yes, it's easily 10 acres, under roof
[13:29:38] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: I get to the line sudo apt-get -y install linux-headers-3.4-9-rtai-686 pae and an error comes up stating that the package has unmet dependencies
[13:29:42] <gregcnc> I like their model of cutting price until it sells
[13:30:33] <lair82> https://www.google.com/maps/place/HGR+Industrial+Surplus/@41.565683,-81.542599,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s-r1NIgeyv0eU%2FVzvoPZL-U-I%2FAAAAAAAAKP4%2F3mEKyzd9Bwo-shbudAEBR-DeQjsLKjAnACLIB!2e4!3e12!6s%2F%2Flh6.googleusercontent.com%2F-r1NIgeyv0eU%2FVzvoPZL-U-I%2FAAAAAAAAKP4%2F3mEKyzd9Bwo-shbudAEBR-DeQjsLKjAnACLIB%2Fs152-k-no%2F!7i4608!8i2592!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe95d94e8aef9d593!8m2!3d41.5664085!4d-81.5399627!6m1!1e1
[13:30:40] <JT-Shop> hmm I've had taht happen before
[13:30:58] <MacGalempsy> did you load the 32 or 64 bit linux mint?
[13:31:14] <JT-Shop> 32-bit
[13:31:19] <JT-Shop> you?
[13:31:22] <MacGalempsy> 64
[13:31:27] <MacGalempsy> it said it was most popular
[13:31:35] <MacGalempsy> perhaps I should switch
[13:31:43] <lair82> I did see those gregcnc
[13:31:51] <lair82> Might give them a try
[13:32:16] <gregcnc> seems like the covers are expensive if you need them
[13:32:18] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: it's different for 64-bit I think
[13:32:53] <CaptHindsight> 10 acres of stuff and not a single english wheel
[13:32:58] <MacGalempsy> there are three versions CInnamon, MATE and Xfce
[13:33:12] <lair82> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Yamatake-Azbil-SL1-A-Limit-Switch-/361625212058?hash=item54328ad49a:m:mkr9GsRYZIWFNwcoPXe7f6A
[13:33:34] <MacGalempsy> I will try the cinnamon 32 bit, does that sound right?
[13:34:04] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: You need an english wheel?
[13:34:23] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: shopping for one vs building
[13:34:27] <malcom2073> Ah heh
[13:34:42] <malcom2073> My dad is thinking of selling his
[13:35:08] <CaptHindsight> is it one of those cast iron behemoths?
[13:35:19] <malcom2073> Nah, not that beefy
[13:35:50] <CaptHindsight> I'll use it twice a year
[13:35:53] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: let me go see what my disk says
[13:36:01] <malcom2073> Might as well get something 2000lbs then
[13:36:03] <JT-Shop> I should have put that on the instructions...
[13:36:03] <malcom2073> hehe
[13:36:30] <CaptHindsight> but when metal workers see it they will say "Holy mother of ***** look at that!"
[13:37:49] <jthornton> my disk says Linux Mint 17.3 Mate 32-Bit
[13:38:18] <MacGalempsy> ok, ill give that one a whirl
[13:38:33] <CaptHindsight> oohh forklifts!
[13:39:32] <CaptHindsight> $2500 https://hgrinc.com/productDetail/Robots/Used-Lincolnfanuc-Welding-Robot-Cell/07161180029/
[13:40:50] <gregcnc> lair82 apparently those azbil switches are chinaco
[13:41:44] <MacGalempsy> so my buddy who works for a target company said they got a robotic welder at work. I asked if he programmed the gcode. He stated you could phyisically manipulate the welding movement to "teach the machine" what to do
[13:42:28] <cradek> I understand that's normal for robots like that
[13:42:49] <MacGalempsy> interesting
[13:42:51] <cradek> some people have even used linuxcnc for teaching
[13:43:02] <MacGalempsy> how?
[13:43:20] <cradek> probably just recording points to later massage into gcode
[13:43:38] <cradek> here's the beginning of a straight line, here's the end
[13:43:42] <cradek> that kind of thing (I'm guessing)
[13:43:55] <MacGalempsy> i drr
[13:43:57] <MacGalempsy> see
[13:44:16] <CaptHindsight> they have a teach pendant
[13:47:17] <Sync> MacGalempsy: programming a robot by position commands usually ends up in tears
[13:48:20] <MacGalempsy> are they usually wire welders?
[13:48:31] <MacGalempsy> or stick weldes?
[13:48:42] <Sync> mig/mag is usually done with robots
[13:48:48] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: let me know in the next week
[13:48:49] <Sync> although you can do wirefeed tig
[14:06:03] <CaptHindsight> Tig can't be hard if a robot can do it
[14:14:15] <Mac_CNC> yay
[14:18:23] <MacGalempsy> Who is that clown?
[14:27:59] <Jymmm> Clown, Homey The Clown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tggaNV6ESSc
[14:29:31] <gregcnc> brappy? https://www.instagram.com/p/BGGN-y_y-zw/
[14:46:10] <Mac_CNC> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:46:10] <Mac_CNC> linux-headers-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae : Depends: gcc-4.6 but it is not installable
[14:46:10] <Mac_CNC> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[14:46:17] <Mac_CNC> still the same thing...
[14:47:52] <cradek> if that gcc is not available for your Mint you may not be able to use the linuxcnc kernel
[14:51:52] <Mac_CNC> curious because im going by JT instructions
[14:52:09] <Mac_CNC> how would i download the gcc?
[14:53:28] <cradek> if it's not packaged for your mint, you're out of luck and you'll need to use a different kernel/os pairing
[14:54:10] <MacGalempsy> ok. then I will just download the stock wheezy iso and get on with life.
[14:54:26] <cradek> that's what I'd do :-)
[14:55:27] <MacGalempsy> the linuxmint looks more like windows than macOS :P
[15:35:04] <FloppyDisk> Hmmm, per JT's website, looks like he uses: LinuxMint 17.3, Mate Desktop, RT-Preempt kernel and LinuxCNC uspace (not RTAI)
[15:35:16] <FloppyDisk> I'm only inferring from here: http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=68&product_id=72
[15:35:33] <FloppyDisk> Pretty sure he cloned his install to that harddrive...
[15:40:27] <JT-Shop> yup
[15:40:45] <Tom_itx> there are getting too many flavors of linux to deal with anymore
[15:41:02] <Tom_itx> i'm not even sure what uspace is
[15:42:47] <JT-Shop> it's what you have to use for any of the Mesa Ethernet cards
[15:42:59] <JT-Shop> concrete guy tipped over a 14.4kv pad mounted junction box
[15:44:06] <FloppyDisk> Ohhhh... that's not a happy thing...
[15:45:22] <FloppyDisk> I think the linux flavors and various releases (LTS support vs. not) for us newer linux users is confusing
[15:46:00] <FloppyDisk> Not that it's hard, but the time factor and then forgetting when you don't use it for awhile.
[15:49:06] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop: Suggestion (for when you're bored and your 14.4v pad is re-mounted), sell a 2' Ieee-1284 cable. 6' is too long to wrap in many cabinets...
[15:50:49] <JT-Shop> well I'm here so I have electric...
[15:50:57] <JT-Shop> for the DB25 cards
[15:51:03] <JT-Shop> ?
[15:51:59] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-07.jpg
[15:53:58] <XXCoder> shiny.
[15:56:40] <FloppyDisk> Sorry - yeah, for the db25 cards... http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=59
[15:57:14] <FloppyDisk> But, I just saw your 6" smallish guy... Didn't see that before. Anyway, not really important....
[15:57:22] <FloppyDisk> The pad looks nice:-)
[15:59:02] <FinboySlick> alex4nder: You awake?
[16:03:11] <JT-Shop> yea, you can go up to 12" I think
[16:03:46] <XXCoder> heh http://atuljha.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/dt160619.jpg
[16:03:58] <XXCoder> hmm got question JT-Shop
[16:04:04] <XXCoder> how fo you plan to build on it?
[16:04:24] <XXCoder> I don't see corner notches with wood posts so you can build on it
[16:04:43] <XXCoder> or maybe you just plan to use concerete bolts?
[16:06:18] <gregcnc> I thought shed was code for a secret helipad
[16:14:43] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: magnets!
[16:14:53] <XXCoder> fancy. heh
[16:16:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop can i come walk on it?
[16:16:46] <Tom_itx> invariably that's what happens with fresh concrete
[16:18:20] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yep
[16:18:29] <Tom_itx> no anchor bolts in it?
[16:18:53] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: I'm not building for once a Mennonite contractor is
[16:19:12] <JT-Shop> most framers don't use anchor bolts anymore the use redheads
[16:19:13] <XXCoder> lol ok
[16:19:26] <XXCoder> the explosive bolts that drive in?
[16:19:32] <Tom_itx> huh, not familiar with those
[16:19:42] <_methods> most use the epoxy ones now
[16:19:51] <JT-Shop> I've built everything here but they can build it faster and for less money than I can
[16:19:56] <JT-Shop> yes they shoot them in
[16:19:58] <Tom_itx> i used hilti gun when i framed the basement
[16:20:03] <Tom_itx> same idea?
[16:20:08] <JT-Shop> same thing
[16:20:29] <Tom_itx> but what if you wanna move it?
[16:20:42] <XXCoder> its made to be forever
[16:20:55] <_methods> angle grinder
[16:20:57] <XXCoder> plus you can always cut off driven in bolts
[16:21:13] <Tom_itx> bolts or nails?
[16:22:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.fastenersplus.com/3-8-x-5-Red-Head-Trubolt-Wedge-Anchor-Pkg-50?gclid=CJul1MGUq84CFQUuaQodfpcAew
[16:22:35] <Tom_itx> like those?
[16:23:24] <JT-Shop> that may be what they use, that's what I used for mine
[16:23:42] <JT-Shop> let you know tuesday :)
[16:23:44] <Tom_itx> i suppose that makes sense
[16:24:11] <XXCoder> looks same as ones we used long time ago
[16:24:16] <XXCoder> dunno if same brand
[16:24:28] <Tom_itx> they probably drill the 2x and cement at the same time when putting the walls up
[16:24:36] <XXCoder> we turned carport to garage
[16:25:07] <Tom_itx> they should frame that in a day
[16:25:27] <_methods> most people around here use these now
[16:25:28] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFoWacRB7Pc
[16:25:33] <_methods> to avoid anchor pullout
[16:26:23] <Tom_itx> was wondering if they would be approved for places like Fl etc where hurricanes are
[16:27:42] <_methods> yeah that's why they've moved to them around here
[16:28:16] <_methods> more forgiving about the anchor hole too
[16:31:17] <Tom_itx> _methods
[16:42:10] <MacGalempsy> interesting...so I do an m08 the pump turns on, do a m09 it turns off, I do another m08 and I get a serial commumications error on the mesa card...
[16:51:56] <renesis> use the other off
[16:52:05] * renesis guessing
[16:57:01] <Tom_itx> MDI?
[17:00:06] <CaptHindsight> that looks like a Menonite floor
[17:07:27] <Deejay> gn8
[17:13:02] <MacGalempsy> renesis: what is the other off?
[17:13:18] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: yes mdi
[17:14:06] <MacGalempsy> *0
[17:21:04] <Tom_itx> what if you issue other commands between?
[17:21:12] <Tom_itx> or instead of
[17:21:46] <tiwake> _methods: poke
[17:22:04] <_methods> yo
[17:22:35] <tiwake> _methods: just moved in to texas in new place of living, and clocked in at new job for an hour or two or so
[17:22:50] <_methods> congrats man
[17:22:54] <_methods> so what you think?
[17:22:55] <tiwake> did some orientation today
[17:23:19] <_methods> nice and warm down there lol
[17:23:26] <tiwake> heh
[17:23:30] <_methods> your moss is going to dry up between your toes
[17:23:49] <tiwake> it will be good, the company has a friendly set of people working for them
[17:24:01] <_methods> you move to austin?
[17:24:07] <tiwake> lubbock
[17:24:13] <_methods> ah
[17:24:33] <tiwake> _methods: http://www.lubbockelectric.com/
[17:24:51] <_methods> damn you land locked
[17:25:04] <_methods> go from the ocean to no ocean
[17:25:06] <_methods> heheh
[17:25:13] <tiwake> yeah, screw tourists
[17:25:27] <tiwake> bleh
[17:25:35] <tiwake> also, hello car overheating
[17:25:36] <tiwake> heh
[17:25:37] <XXCoder> bad tourists eh
[17:26:25] <_methods> nice they make all kinds of cool stuff
[17:27:31] <tiwake> _methods: I don't seem to overheat, but my car seems to like to
[17:27:55] <tiwake> I think the radiator might be partially plugged
[17:28:24] <Tom_itx> turn the heater on and see if it runs cooler
[17:28:34] <tiwake> Tom_itx: it does, but still overheats
[17:28:36] <XXCoder> tiwake: do a radator flush
[17:28:40] <tiwake> already did that
[17:28:43] <tiwake> oh
[17:28:47] <XXCoder> and run water backwards over heater core
[17:28:51] <tiwake> not a radiator flush
[17:29:00] <tiwake> the cab heater works great
[17:29:03] <tiwake> lol
[17:29:08] <tiwake> fry my butt off
[17:30:20] <tiwake> I have heard that the radiator is undersized for my car, stock... plan on getting an aftermarket one, but I'll have to wait for a paycheck or two before I can
[17:31:35] <XXCoder> just move it to top of car, facing the air flow heh
[17:31:38] <XXCoder> kidding
[17:33:00] <tiwake> or put in a second one up there
[17:33:01] <tiwake> heh
[17:33:01] <tiwake> make it a swamp cooler
[17:33:05] <tiwake> have a 5 gallon jug of water drizzling down the front of the radiator thats mounted on the roof
[17:35:20] <JT-Shop> yea the wife is home from work
[17:35:50] <tiwake> JT-Shop: you going to drizzle water over her head cause she is too hot?
[17:35:54] <Tom_itx> does she ever wonder what she's gonna come home to from one day to the next?
[17:38:36] <JT-Shop> she quit wondering what I was up to lol
[17:39:36] <tiwake> JT-Shop: squirt her with a bottle of water cause she is too hot... need to bring her down to your level
[17:44:44] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:45:00] <JT-Shop> you don't get a hen wet...
[17:45:57] <tiwake> pff
[17:46:10] <JT-Shop> she came home one day and I said there is a blue spyder in the garage, she said is it alive
[17:46:32] <tiwake> spider?
[17:46:39] <JT-Shop> no spyder
[17:46:57] <tiwake> spyder is a type of paintball gun...
[17:47:02] <JT-Shop> I said spyder she assumed spider
[17:47:17] <JT-Shop> http://spyderstore.com/
[17:47:26] <JT-Shop> that's mine
[17:47:53] <tiwake> http://www.spyder.tv/
[17:48:05] <JT-Shop> yea I know him
[17:48:22] <tiwake> :P
[17:50:05] <JT-Shop> raining to the n and ne from em
[17:50:07] <JT-Shop> me
[17:50:24] <Tom_itx> dry enough to take it now?
[17:50:36] <JT-Shop> yea no worries
[17:50:43] <Tom_itx> not gonna cover it?
[17:50:51] <JT-Shop> be nice if it rained a bit to cool it down
[17:50:56] <JT-Shop> nope
[17:51:17] <Tom_itx> that's what a garden hose is for
[17:51:26] <JT-Shop> you can walk on it
[17:51:42] <JT-Shop> yep
[17:51:47] <Tom_itx> you can probably still skuff it though
[17:52:13] <Tom_itx> did you put 'JT heart MS JT' in it?
[17:58:52] <JT-Shop> I should have put MOM on it, she bought it
[18:02:46] <JT-Shop> that would be JT hear Nt
[18:03:08] <JT-Shop> creap cant speel
[18:03:13] <JT-Shop> JT heart NT
[18:03:52] <Tom_itx> i hide dates on things like that so i can look back years later
[18:15:53] <JT-Shop> I dated the deck on the house so I can remember when I built the house
[18:16:34] <JT-Shop> concrete is starting to cool a bit
[18:17:49] <JT-Shop> one more watering and it's shower time for me
[18:53:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:55:04] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: just shower on slab
[18:55:10] <XXCoder> water and shower at same time!
[19:34:35] <Duc> what pin can be used to set the arrow jog speed in axis
[19:37:16] <Duc> look into install a rheostat on the control panel to set it instead of slide bar in axis
[20:09:33] <XXCoder> theyre insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6lz7Svut7g
[20:18:42] <Duc> someone was bored while making that
[20:21:21] <Duc> not that I have any room to talk
[20:29:23] <XXCoder> lol
[20:30:26] <Duc> I would so hurt myself
[20:32:59] <XXCoder> Duc: did you check their table that turns to floor? nice
[20:33:34] <Duc> where is that video?
[20:34:05] <XXCoder> same people as previous video
[20:34:11] <XXCoder> you can see the table as they use it
[20:34:35] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38yPR25VSw4
[20:35:37] <Duc> hell yea That would be awesome in the garage
[20:36:51] <gregcnc> so flat heads can be pretty tough to loosen at times. I broke a driver tip by hand on an M4 screw. lo and behold the back of the head is serrated?
[20:37:27] <Duc> so a mechanical loctite
[20:38:33] <malcom2073> I hate flat heads
[20:38:55] <Duc> why
[20:39:04] <XXCoder> it sucks
[20:39:13] <XXCoder> so easily breakable
[20:39:26] <XXCoder> philips head was invented due to that
[20:40:49] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Thta's glorious
[20:40:51] <malcom2073> That chainsaw
[20:41:21] <XXCoder> whats different from normal chainsaw?
[20:41:57] <malcom2073> It's homemade
[20:42:10] <Duc> phillips can be down right evil also
[20:42:33] <XXCoder> Duc: its because chinese made screws and philips screwdrivers suck
[20:42:38] <XXCoder> not compitable
[20:42:44] <XXCoder> there is actually 2 types
[20:42:51] <XXCoder> chinese makes something between those 2
[20:43:35] <Duc> yep still suck. allen or torx for me
[20:44:23] <malcom2073> XXCoder: In various random levels of difference between the two :)
[20:44:29] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:47:59] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKoBr6-ScjY nice
[20:49:22] <Duc> been meaning to build one of those off my plasma table
[20:49:43] <dioz> robertson
[20:49:44] <dioz> TBH
[20:49:50] <dioz> number 2 robby is #1
[20:49:52] <XXCoder> seems to be he just needs cutter, sandtable, and welder heh
[20:55:28] <ljn> PnCConf experts?
[20:55:49] <ljn> I found that I needed to copy the .xml file to /lib/firmware/hm2/5i25
[20:56:24] <ljn> I copied the g540 xml file there so I think I can now select the my config in pncconf
[20:56:39] <ljn> http://imgur.com/iJL73h
[20:56:52] <ljn> http://imgur.com/5TYbJCE
[20:57:25] <ljn> I am setting up 5i25 with Gecko g540 and trying to make sense of the pncconf setup
[20:58:42] <ljn> What does Num refer to in the PnCconf UI?
[20:59:03] <XXCoder> no idea, never did something like that
[20:59:11] <XXCoder> hopefully evenually someone can answer
[20:59:18] <ljn> ok thanks
[21:32:59] <ljn> dmesg output compared to pncconf:
[21:33:04] <ljn> http://imgur.com/a/I1Hdb
[21:44:45] <MacGalempsy> as soon as I turn on the flood, I get a comm error...
[21:44:49] <MacGalempsy> still
[21:47:15] <XXCoder> odd
[21:47:44] <MacGalempsy> even using the checkbox
[21:47:54] <MacGalempsy> the codes are 4 and 13
[21:48:06] <MacGalempsy> 4 is extra character
[21:48:16] <MacGalempsy> 13 is communication error
[21:48:40] <MacGalempsy> then there have been more than 1 error in 10 thread executions at least 200 times
[21:52:32] <MacGalempsy> here is the same error someone else had with the same set up https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/34512880/
[21:53:13] <MacGalempsy> the flood pump is 230v, through a relay
[21:54:28] <pcw_home> what linuxcnc version?
[21:54:38] <MacGalempsy> just downloaded the most recent iso
[21:54:47] <MacGalempsy> loaded it all up today.
[21:55:01] <pcw_home> the iso is not updated
[21:55:14] <MacGalempsy> oh.
[21:55:14] <pcw_home> you need to update linuxcnc to get the latest
[22:01:57] <pcw_home> There are at least 3 issues here
[22:01:58] <pcw_home> 1. EMI ( are there proper arc suppression devices across relay contact that switch inductive loads ? )
[22:02:00] <pcw_home> 2. LinuxCNC versions 2.7.X where X is <5 have a bug in sserial error handling
[22:02:01] <pcw_home> making a single error fatal
[22:02:03] <pcw_home> 3. There are updated bit files that improve sserial noise immunity
[22:02:04] <pcw_home> (recent-=last 9 months or so FPGA cards will have this firmware installed)
[22:03:18] <pcw_home> otherwise the firmware should be reflashed from bitfiles in the 5I25.zip file (assuming 5I25)
[22:03:32] <MacGalempsy> it is a 5i25
[22:03:52] <MacGalempsy> i dont know what prpoer arc suppression is
[22:04:03] <MacGalempsy> it is a 24v/230v relay
[22:04:16] <MacGalempsy> mesa out to relay
[22:04:55] <pcw_home> and the relay runs the motor directly?
[22:04:57] <MacGalempsy> the update manager is updating
[22:05:01] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[22:06:57] <pcw_home> is the 5I25 --> daughterboard cable routed away from power wiring?
[22:07:09] <ljn> pncconf for board 5i25 firmware 5i25_g540x2 shows 'Num of step generators' = 10
[22:07:23] <ljn> I have 4 motors so change Num of step generators to 4
[22:07:55] <ljn> but then the I/O Connector 2 tab shows only GPIO Inputs and 1 PWM?
[22:08:27] <MacGalempsy> there is a lot in there, but I never had this issue before
[22:08:58] <pcw_home> you need 5 stepgens to have the extra stepgen used for the chargepump
[22:10:02] <ljn> pcw_home: OK I select 5 but then I still only see Pin Type = GPIO Input for all inputs and 1 PWM
[22:11:26] <pcw_home> No idea about pncconf, I wouls just use the example stepper config and add what you need
[22:12:06] <ljn> ok so abandon the GUI will try that
[22:12:29] <MacGalempsy> how do i flash the firmware on the 5i25?
[22:12:51] <MacGalempsy> i see the /software/parallel/5i25.zip
[22:12:55] <MacGalempsy> and downloaded it
[22:14:18] <ljn> don't use mesaflash from the .zip
[22:14:32] <ljn> I learned that yesterday
[22:15:01] <MacGalempsy> well. I was updated to 2.7.6 and after cycling the pump a few times, it did not crash.
[22:15:10] <MacGalempsy> I will make a few cuts and see if its ok now
[22:21:11] <ljn> pcw_home: which example config would you recommend to start with and modify as needed?
[22:21:51] <MacGalempsy> ljn - I use the 5i25 and 7i77. the best way was to use the pncconf, to get the motors and stuff, then add the rest yourself
[22:22:53] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: thanks for the help. all is up and running again
[22:22:53] <ljn> ok thanks I never did follow through on the pncconf config - can try that
[22:23:20] <MacGalempsy> ljn what are you setting up?
[22:23:54] <ljn> I am setting up a 5i25 with gecko g540, 4 stepper motors - my first machine
[22:24:11] <pcw_home> theres a sample g540 config floating around, let me see if i can find it
[22:24:24] <MacGalempsy> welcome to the club!
[22:25:25] <pcw_home> you could also use pncconf with a XML file that works (say rxfx2) and then edit the few differences in the hal file for the G540
[22:25:26] <ljn> thanks! looking forward to see the motors move
[22:26:19] <MacGalempsy> huh. now it errored again just sitting here
[22:26:28] <XXCoder> odd
[22:26:35] <XXCoder> checked wires countinity?
[22:27:32] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/g540.zip
[22:27:36] <MacGalempsy> which wires? there are a ton
[22:27:53] <ljn> rxfx2 - ok I see 5i25_prob_rfx2.xml
[22:28:10] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: good question, maybe ones relating to that m08 errors
[22:28:31] <MacGalempsy> this time the m08 wasnt even running
[22:29:07] <XXCoder> odd
[22:29:52] <MacGalempsy> it says the watchdog has bit
[22:30:25] <MacGalempsy> but this is a new ga-j1900-d3v, and the latency is like 25000
[22:33:14] <ljn> pcw_home: thanks so I just start with the .ini .has as a config?
[22:34:39] <XXCoder> I do wonder why your machines having issues
[22:35:22] <pcw_home> yes its complete
[22:35:23] <pcw_home> the advantage of a pncconf created config is that it includes a lot of nice
[22:35:25] <pcw_home> boilerplate, the g540 config should work but is just a skeleton
[22:35:54] <ljn> ok so the .xml is for pncconf as I understand
[22:38:37] <pcw_home> yes
[22:44:31] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: "then unzip this file and cd to configs/hostmot2" is this the same configs that is in the linuxcnc folder?
[22:45:29] <pcw_home> Does linuxcnc come with 5I25 bitfiles?
[22:45:58] <MacGalempsy> i downloaded the most recent bit files from your website
[22:46:46] <pcw_home> yeah the bitfiles should be dated around December 2015
[22:50:02] <ljn> JT-Shop: I followed your linuxcnc install steps for mint 17.3
[22:50:22] <pcw_home> the watchdog biting is a different issue (that means it was not serviced for the watchdog period which is at normally at least 10 ms)
[22:50:23] <MacGalempsy> ljn did it work for you?
[22:50:39] <ljn> it went smoothly but I did end up with 2.8.0~pre1
[22:50:52] <ljn> used: git checkout -b 2.7 origin/2.7
[22:50:54] <MacGalempsy> i could not get it to pass the headers...
[22:51:43] <ljn> ok there was one error/warning regarding ndiswrapper at that point
[22:51:56] <ljn> I uninstalled mintwifi but not sure if that was needed
[22:51:57] <MacGalempsy> does the newer version deal with the watchdog in a different than in the past?
[22:52:20] <Tom_itx> it doesn't need to be in the ini file iirc
[22:52:50] <pcw_home> no, though watchdog handling is different in 2.7.x vs 2.6.x
[22:53:57] <pcw_home> (2.6 needs an explicit pet watchdog function, in 2.7 its built into the hm2_read function)
[23:00:53] <MacGalempsy> that may be the problem there. I have been workin on this thing for almost 3 years now. so I bet it was written for 2.6
[23:01:06] <MacGalempsy> or earlier
[23:05:11] <MacGalempsy> setp hm2_5i25.0.watchdog.timeout_ns 5000000
[23:05:33] <MacGalempsy> does that look like the correct line?
[23:05:39] <pcw_home> I think the only change is that the pet_watchdog function is not used in 2.7
[23:05:40] <pcw_home> (so if you have a 2.6 hal file you need to delete/comment out the addf pet_watchdog line)
[23:06:39] <MacGalempsy> that line is the only watchdog reference
[23:07:27] <pcw_home> 5000000 ns is 5 ms so that's reasonable and no pet_watchdog function is correct for 2.7.x
[23:07:57] <MacGalempsy> i just updated the firmware on the card
[23:10:46] <XXCoder> hopefully that'll fix
[23:10:51] <pcw_home> a watchdog bite is serious, it should simply never happen
[23:10:53] <pcw_home> so something is basically wrong with the setup
[23:12:01] <pcw_home> a firmware change will not fix the watchdog issue (the watchdog has been the same for about 8 years)
[23:13:56] <MacGalempsy> all the computer has is the j1900-d3v, a small laptop hdd and the mesa card
[23:14:07] <MacGalempsy> i am running a latency test on it right now
[23:14:22] <MacGalempsy> i guess it would be good to let it run overnight since it is late
[23:14:55] <pcw_home> did you turn off all power management/c1 states in the BIOS?
[23:15:11] <MacGalempsy> yep
[23:15:29] <pcw_home> 5 ms is a loooong time
[23:16:49] <MacGalempsy> the threads are prety stable at 25000 and 22500
[23:17:11] <MacGalempsy> glxgears and youtube video
[23:18:17] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: full screen HD video, 3 glxgears, one of those being moved rapidly all over
[23:18:25] <XXCoder> thats how I usually test
[23:18:50] <MacGalempsy> ok I will do that
[23:19:07] <XXCoder> actually not full screen, but large as possible
[23:23:11] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: with your recommended test, max jitter is still 32614
[23:24:08] <XXCoder> there is tougher tests but thats pretty godod
[23:24:10] <XXCoder> good
[23:25:38] <pcw_home> is the motherboard in a case? a bad PCI slot connection (wobbling card) can cause a WD fault
[23:26:32] <MacGalempsy> the mb is in a case, the card is in there solid. I will turn off and reseat the card. I see a forum about this same issue
[23:27:07] <ljn> hey I think I just ran into the same error: HAL: ERROR: function 'hm2_5i25.0.pet_watchdog' not found
[23:27:13] <ljn> ./hm2-g540-stepper.hal:53: addf failed
[23:27:37] <MacGalempsy> ok. there are some settings they mention in the forum post, I will try to use those
[23:27:40] <ljn> addf hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.pet_watchdog servo-thread
[23:27:40] <pcw_home> yeah you need to delete that line for a 2.7 config
[23:27:54] <ljn> ok
[23:39:55] <ljn> is this .hal line correct?
[23:40:00] <ljn> net hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.stepgen.04.enable emcmot.00.enable
[23:40:11] <ljn> got error: Pin 'emcmot.00.enable' does not exist
[23:42:22] <MacGalempsy> how do I got about changing the ISOLCPU value?
[23:45:49] <MacGalempsy> ok there was another power thing in there that I disabled.
[23:45:56] <MacGalempsy> lets see what it looks like now
[23:49:43] <MacGalempsy> wow major difference. 8073/11474
[23:49:52] <XXCoder> nice
[23:49:53] <FloppyDisk> Here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[23:50:03] <FloppyDisk> It's more involved now w/ grub2...
[23:50:05] <XXCoder> fewer interruptions I guess
[23:50:46] <FloppyDisk> I heard (not sure) that if you're running preempt, you want more cores... w/ RTAI, you want less...
[23:51:30] <MacGalempsy> the forum post stated they used just cores 2,3 and it dropped even more
[23:51:39] <MacGalempsy> now we are up to 11k/11k
[23:52:08] <XXCoder> thats good 2/3 latency removed
[23:52:46] <pcw_home> even 100-200 use latency is OK
[23:52:47] <pcw_home> I would not bother with isolcpus unless you are doing software stepping
[23:53:05] <MacGalempsy> ok
[23:53:54] <MacGalempsy> well, I guess I will let this run over night and see if there are any spikes
[23:54:26] <XXCoder> cool
[23:55:09] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder and pcw_home thanks a bunch for the support. i'll catch yall tomorrow.
[23:55:32] <XXCoder> np, hey find a video that loops in youtube and leave that too
[23:55:57] <XXCoder> theres videos that last VERY long time though, like star trek warp sounds one, that ones 8 hours or more
[23:56:27] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
[23:56:31] <XXCoder> thats 24 hours
[23:58:42] <MacGalempsy> 24 hrs of a picture of the enterprise?