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[00:04:58] <dioz> anyone ever weld galv iron sheet metal tig?
[00:05:21] <dioz> considering i imagine people have
[00:05:25] <dioz> i'll re-ask the question
[00:06:06] <dioz> has anyone round yonder been ever able tuh weld some scrap sheet metal with a tig welder yah reckon?
[00:08:14] <dioz> what i wanna do is make 3d letters
[00:08:23] <dioz> that are ~10-15 inches high
[00:08:33] <dioz> and maybe 2 or so inches deep
[00:08:36] <dioz> deeeeep
[00:08:56] <dioz> i wonder how i'd figure out my wrapper lengths for each letter
[00:09:10] <dioz> we'll assume the front and back of the letter are cheeks
[00:09:42] <dioz> i've been trying to think of a easy way to do this short of a pee-wee strip
[00:09:57] <dioz> as well as a easy way to lay it out on the metal
[00:10:01] <dioz> for cuttage with snips
[00:10:05] <witnit> VERY BAD FUMES
[00:10:11] <dioz> it isn't that bad
[00:10:17] <dioz> but it can make you sick
[00:10:19] <witnit> highly toxic iirc
[00:10:26] <dioz> not highly toxic
[00:10:44] <dioz> but i'd be wearing respirator
[00:10:51] <dioz> but it isn't that bad
[00:11:10] <dioz> i mean if you stand right in your smoke line and straight huff the shit sure
[00:11:15] <dioz> i could imagine it fuckin you up
[00:11:36] <dioz> but i'd more than likely wash the galv off with muriatic acid
[00:11:51] <dioz> even take a grinder to it if i have to
[00:12:10] <dioz> give it a little brap brap
[00:12:45] <dioz> how many amps you figure you'd wanna run on say... 24 gauge galv iron?
[00:12:50] <witnit> yeah but... you never know what people will do
[00:14:07] <witnit> I mean just because someone may be smart or a great craftsman doesnt mean they wont skip simple rules like be in a well ventilated area.
[00:14:24] <dioz> i doubt i'd even wear gloves or a mask tbh
[00:14:36] <dioz> the best face mask is just closing your eyes
[00:15:37] <dioz> i've had a zip disk explode but i was wearing gloves and part of the disk bounced off the ground and bounced back up and hit me in the thumb. left a nice bruze on my thumb
[00:16:12] <dioz> thank god for face masks
[00:17:06] <dioz> whenever i cut metal with a zip disk i totally make sure the blade isn't spinning into my path. you kind of hold it off to the side a little so if she does let go it doesn't...
[00:17:16] <dioz> i cut a lot of metal with a zip disk
[00:17:38] <dioz> high velocity spiral ductwork
[00:18:30] <witnit> I saw one of those body grinder wheels explode and half inbedded into an air compressor vent/filter the other half penetrated and stuck into a metal garage door
[00:18:42] <dioz> hahah nice
[00:18:46] <dioz> STAND BACK BOYS!
[00:19:07] <dioz> guys use the big cut off disks to round the ends of their ready-rod
[00:19:14] <dioz> for hanging pipe or whatever from the rafters
[00:19:22] <dioz> you aren't supposed to do that either they s ay
[00:19:44] <dioz> fuck we do it all the time though
[00:20:05] <dioz> you can get a special tool for it and it makes a much nicer cut and shit
[00:20:18] <dioz> but when you gotta mash off say 30 or 40 hangers that are all 1 foot long
[00:20:32] <dioz> grab a bundle and tape 'em together and let her buck boys!
[00:20:35] <dioz> LET HER BUCK
[00:21:16] <dioz> then you just hold the trigger on the cut off saw and give 'em a quick spin on the side of the cut off blade wham bam
[00:21:21] <dioz> now you can thread a nut on there
[00:21:29] <dioz> took all the burly threads off
[00:21:51] <dioz> gotta hold it the right way though to do it nice and efficient like donchaknow?
[00:21:57] <dioz> there's a thing to it
[00:22:01] <dioz> but once you figure it out
[00:22:03] <witnit> you arent supposed to teach things to people which they can cause harm to themselves easily. I always teach people proper as I can and safe as I can then take all sorts of shortcuts when doing my own projects.
[00:22:03] <dioz> you know
[00:22:07] <witnit> exactly
[00:22:34] <dioz> wanna know something?
[00:22:43] <witnit> more?
[00:22:47] <witnit> :) sure
[00:22:49] <dioz> 4th day on the job sheet metal i got 14 stitches in my right index finger
[00:23:01] <dioz> thank god no tendon damage
[00:23:06] <witnit> yah
[00:23:17] <dioz> i figure i wanna get a red seal in this trade
[00:23:27] <dioz> interprovincial in canada
[00:23:37] <dioz> as canada is made up of provinces
[00:24:15] <dioz> i really wanna learn to weld though so i've been fuckin trollin this channel asking people about welding galv iron sheet metal
[00:24:18] <dioz> with a tig welder
[00:24:23] <dioz> and what kind of experience they have with it
[00:24:34] <witnit> yeah i only ever tigged aluminum
[00:25:10] <dioz> what you told me "that it's dangerous" i've had a old old sheet metal guy tell me first hand that it "only makes some people sick... and you don't huff the shit for christs sake"
[00:25:25] <dioz> and the zinc will pop and spatter
[00:25:30] <dioz> which will result in a shit weld
[00:25:47] <dioz> i asked if the zinc could be cleaned with muriatic acid
[00:25:54] <dioz> people suggested grinding it
[00:26:15] <dioz> what's your opinion on a ~$1000-2000 welder with HF and a foot pedal?
[00:26:19] <dioz> if there even is one ;]
[00:26:19] <witnit> well okay, but what about welding in a small garage for four hours?
[00:26:26] <dioz> obviously won't be a red or a blue
[00:26:44] <dioz> YOU CALLIN MY GARGE SMALL?
[00:26:47] <dioz> hahah ;]
[00:26:50] <witnit> if you look at wikis worst of worst definition of this sickness... it just sounds terrible
[00:26:54] <witnit> Symptoms of a more severe metal toxicity may also include a burning sensation in the body, shock, no urine output, collapse, convulsions, shortness of breath, yellow eyes or yellow skin, rash, vomiting, watery or bloody diarrhea or low or high blood pressure, which require prompt medical attention.
[00:27:03] <dioz> i heard that drinking cows milk
[00:27:04] <dioz> lots of it
[00:27:06] <witnit> but to each is own
[00:27:08] <dioz> will prevent andn cure it
[00:27:18] <dioz> i drink tons of cows milk
[00:27:23] <witnit> you mean gallons
[00:27:26] <dioz> 2 or 3 litres a day
[00:27:33] <witnit> and litres
[00:27:34] <witnit> :)
[00:27:54] <witnit> whereaboouut are you located?
[00:27:54] <dioz> you ever had chocolate milk?
[00:27:57] <dioz> that shit is amazing
[00:28:00] <witnit> omg ikr
[00:28:06] <witnit> i mix half n half
[00:28:15] <dioz> yah
[00:28:16] <witnit> half white whole milk and half choco
[00:28:25] <witnit> cause its just to sweet usually
[00:28:38] <dioz> dude i got some cookies and creme protein shake and half whole milk and chocolate milk
[00:28:44] * dioz flexes
[00:29:06] <witnit> sounds like a stoner body builder diet
[00:29:11] <dioz> fuckin thunder is coming back dude... all day there's been storms here on and off
[00:29:44] <dioz> witnit: you think you could light a bowl with a tig torch and hf start?
[00:29:58] <dioz> as long as you weren't grounded maybe?
[00:30:05] <dioz> or wait... if you were grounded?!
[00:30:12] <witnit> ohhh!!!
[00:30:17] <witnit> I see what you did there
[00:30:52] <dioz> one of the oil bins that holds oil in saskatchewan canada near kindersly
[00:30:57] <dioz> got hit by uh lightning
[00:31:03] <dioz> and it blew up or something
[00:31:06] <witnit> cool
[00:31:31] <witnit> I think somwhere around chicago the train station got hit by lighting or something
[00:31:54] <dioz> fuckin train stations
[00:31:54] <witnit> caused the trains to go down and what not.
[00:31:58] <dioz> ain't never doin no body no good
[00:32:12] <dioz> did you know that apparently there's a train that used to go from chicago to moose jaw saskatchewan?
[00:32:15] <dioz> carryin al capone?
[00:32:22] <witnit> yeah and seriously how do you even let an oil bin be susceptible to lighting?>
[00:32:33] <witnit> dont they have lighting rods for that stuff
[00:32:41] <witnit> whaaaaa no way
[00:32:45] <dioz> if you live in the praries (north dakota or saskatchewan) there isn't much for lighting to hit
[00:32:46] <witnit> I wanna ride that rail
[00:32:52] <dioz> other than bins and trees
[00:32:55] <dioz> it's flat as fuuuuuck
[00:33:05] <witnit> oh right, sounds like a bad place to be an unlucky fellow
[00:33:32] <dioz> there was juts a oil spill in north sask
[00:33:40] <dioz> "anomoly in the pressure reading"
[00:33:44] <dioz> 14 hours later it was turned off
[00:34:07] <witnit> so if its ever lighting there and storming and you are caught out in the open you just gotta lay in mud? so as to not to become a terminal
[00:34:13] <dioz> "onnly 43 dead aminalz!"
[00:34:36] <dioz> IMO if you get struck by lighting that is like gods ultimate way of saying fuck you
[00:34:39] <dioz> and if you live great
[00:34:43] <dioz> if you die... well too bad
[00:34:56] <witnit> yeahhhhh im i can agree with that
[00:34:59] <dioz> imagine the rush you'd get out of living
[00:35:08] <dioz> i wonder how long the feeling would take to wear off though
[00:35:11] <witnit> yeah grateful appreciations and such
[00:35:42] <dioz> i wonder if it would feel anything like welding a piece of 26 gauge galv iron sheet metal into the shape of a kitten
[00:36:00] <witnit> long hair or short?
[00:36:08] <dioz> oh wow so another interesting thing about manitoba canada
[00:36:36] <dioz> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-rcmp-investigates-video-of-man-throwing-puppy-1.3697744
[00:36:46] <dioz> apparently canadians throw puppies
[00:36:59] <dioz> you ever read canadian news?
[00:37:04] <witnit> yah
[00:37:07] <witnit> canada is weird
[00:37:08] <dioz> i thought yanks were weird
[00:37:13] <dioz> canucks are just as weird
[00:37:23] <witnit> lots of people there think canada is totally diff from usa
[00:37:25] <witnit> and its not
[00:37:34] <dioz> harsher gun laws
[00:37:41] <dioz> instead of blacks it has aboriginals
[00:37:42] <witnit> same people same crazy bs
[00:38:02] <witnit> ohhh and people who get butthurt about gunlaws in canada crack me up
[00:38:42] <dioz> pretty much everyone i know has a long barrel gun in their house
[00:38:51] <witnit> they have no clue what its like and they are just like I cannot believe you all have guns and im just like I cant believe you have to lock your doors when you leave your house?!
[00:39:06] <witnit> I was in ontario tho and worse more durham region
[00:39:22] <dioz> aah
[00:41:32] <dioz> fuck i was in ontario for a few weeks this summer
[00:41:40] <dioz> hamilton area amongst many and i found that uh
[00:41:50] <witnit> I always assumed people farther north get more logical
[00:41:51] <dioz> they have a lot of waterfalls... but they're all surrounded by chain link fences and shit
[00:41:59] <witnit> strange
[00:42:16] <dioz> apparently it was to prevent people from falling into the waterfall?
[00:42:16] <witnit> I was in oshawa awhile this summer
[00:42:26] <dioz> i thought that idea was interesting
[00:43:03] <witnit> welp, nature does its best to keep the gene pool strong but, you got people putting in fences
[00:43:12] <witnit> ohwell
[00:44:28] <witnit> I cant watch that video man, thats just upsetting
[00:44:41] <dioz> oh i didn't watch it
[00:44:47] <dioz> i just showed you the link to the news article
[00:44:58] <dioz> the news people in canada think it's acceptable to post the video
[00:45:01] <dioz> i don't make that decision
[00:45:09] <witnit> I read the article though. As I get older I find such things far too disturbing to endure
[00:45:11] <dioz> CBC is a public broadcast radio too
[00:46:12] <dioz> fuckin we got a boomer o utside boys
[00:46:19] <dioz> this storm is just lighting up the sky
[00:46:31] <witnit> woooH! real barb burner huh!?
[00:46:33] <dioz> lighting storms around these parts lately been just rank light shows
[00:46:34] <witnit> barn*
[00:46:50] <dioz> the sky is lit right up the whole time
[00:47:17] <dioz> like a alien space shit made out of galv iron sheet metal is flying above the clouds with bright lights flashing
[00:47:25] <dioz> i wonder how they'd weld that galv iron sheet metal
[00:49:12] <witnit> about a year and a half ago I was in canada and this crazy guy on the street stopped me to tell me that earth was going to be destroyed, not by fire, or flood, but wind this time. he didnt really mention anything about how to weld galv though
[00:49:29] <dioz> fucker
[00:49:54] <witnit> interesting feller, hes probably right about the wind thing tho, climate change and all
[00:50:12] <witnit> I should invest in a windmill
[00:50:30] <dioz> i always figured jesus would come back
[00:50:48] <witnit> I hear lots of folks been waiting for such a thing
[00:50:55] <dioz> my parents lied to me though
[00:51:10] <witnit> I never learned about it tho, figured it was none of my business
[00:51:21] <dioz> i knew a dude who made his own wind mills using rare earth magnets
[00:51:34] <dioz> i remember looking at one and it was all black and burned
[00:51:44] <dioz> i asked what happened he said the magnets get too hot?
[00:51:52] <dioz> i always thought that might not be a good thing
[00:52:00] <dioz> but i'm not a energy.... maker?
[00:52:01] <dioz> so idk
[00:52:07] <witnit> harnesser
[00:52:21] <dioz> fuckin... speaking of harnesses dude
[00:52:21] <witnit> channeler
[00:52:26] <dioz> you wear a tool belt at work?
[00:52:37] <witnit> nah just pants and stuff
[00:53:07] <dioz> http://www.occidentalleather.com/product.php?sku=5093&type=
[00:53:14] <dioz> tell me what you think of that "belt"
[00:53:26] <dioz> i figure i'mma drop about $400 CAD on that badboy right there
[00:53:50] <witnit> I gotta admit... thats about the best thing I seen in a good long while
[00:54:02] <witnit> I mean..... belts are horrid
[00:54:19] <witnit> I hate the weight being in that spot
[00:54:22] <dioz> $400 CAD is about $5 USD
[00:54:23] <dioz> roughly
[00:54:27] <witnit> shoulders make SOOOO much more sense
[00:54:44] <dioz> you ever had to carry a drill with you?
[00:54:55] <dioz> working with sheet metal you have to drill often when hanging duct
[00:54:58] <dioz> using hanger strapping
[00:55:29] <witnit> yeah its funny paying with usa dollars in canada and getting money back and my purchase and person tending to cash register has no idea how they can owe me more money than I gave them
[00:55:34] <witnit> nah
[00:55:37] <witnit> my bro does tho
[00:55:41] <dioz> http://thegorillahook.com/
[00:55:46] <dioz> that is the best drill hook on the market
[00:55:50] <dioz> THE BEST
[00:55:56] <witnit> hes into screwing pieces of wood together in a useful manner
[00:56:21] <witnit> yeah that pro
[00:56:23] <dioz> screwing wood involves pre-drilling
[00:56:36] <dioz> which means you need to operate a drill
[00:56:41] <dioz> i don't imagine very often though
[00:56:46] <dioz> or for extended period of time
[00:57:27] <dioz> that occidental belt though
[00:57:31] * dioz whistles
[00:57:33] <dioz> i'll tell you what
[00:57:37] <dioz> that's a nice lookin belt
[00:57:59] <dioz> i really wanna metal lathe
[00:58:03] <dioz> like a 1/3 horse power
[00:58:11] <witnit> build one
[00:58:20] <dioz> from a bosch drill?
[00:58:32] <witnit> all you need is a tree and some rope
[00:58:52] <dioz> tell me more about your tree rope metal lathe?
[00:59:04] <dioz> i'm interested in thing that are only mildly dangerous however
[00:59:05] <witnit> http://regia.org/research/images/lineitems/lathe.gif
[00:59:29] <dioz> i'm not poor
[00:59:30] <witnit> imagine that stick is just a branch handing from a tree
[00:59:44] <witnit> then why do you have a small garage?
[01:01:09] <dioz> wow
[01:01:16] <dioz> i like the cut of your jib
[01:01:25] <witnit> you know how we do
[01:02:03] <dioz> fuck imagine making that though
[01:02:21] <dioz> like who decided this was a good idea?
[01:02:47] <dioz> dude was like "only if i could bend that fucking tree over and tie a rope to it i could spin the tube and make a bolt? or something.
[01:03:07] <dioz> then i will be able to fasten my wheel to my carriage and troddle into the blue yonder"
[01:03:49] <dioz> i think it would take about a solid 2 or 3 days of me just staring at the tree before i'd come up with a reasonable plan of action to build it
[01:04:12] <dioz> that doesn't include deciding on building material either
[01:04:39] <witnit> I figure maybe there was some toy or something that was like a bow and spinny thing
[01:05:25] <witnit> I wonder if abo's and native muricans used them, prolly not
[01:05:26] <dioz> take the principal of a bow drill
[01:05:29] <dioz> and use it to turn steel
[01:06:50] <dioz> i've wondered about things like that. so the idea that white people completely disrupted aboriginal lifestyle with collonialism. didn't the europeaners bring a lot of good thinsg with them?
[01:06:54] <witnit> I always wanted to make a turbine that ran on underground water
[01:07:30] <witnit> like the common cold and taxes?
[01:07:41] <dioz> alcohol
[01:07:52] <witnit> yeah prolly was way cooler than before whiteys came
[01:08:24] <witnit> I mean women did all the work, men hunted, and... welll yeah Im pretty sure it was better
[01:09:16] <witnit> technology what a drag
[01:09:39] <dioz> dude hand wash all my clothes using a washboard
[01:09:53] <dioz> wait
[01:09:57] <witnit> dude, dont wear clothes...
[01:10:02] <witnit> just sayin
[01:10:09] <dioz> i need miniwheats
[01:10:10] <dioz> brb
[01:11:51] <dioz> so do you use a plasma cutter at all?
[01:11:53] <dioz> or a mill?
[01:11:55] <dioz> or a lathe?
[01:16:32] <witnit> yeah
[01:17:03] <dioz> nice
[01:17:06] <dioz> tell me about it
[01:17:40] <dioz> when you spinnin that round bar and you got a nice sharp but and the metal being cut out is just rippin
[01:17:50] <dioz> :s/but/bit/
[01:18:33] <dioz> fuckin stab you in the arm and draw blood
[01:19:29] <dioz> dude i know has one of those table saws that will instant stop if the blade comes in contact with skin
[01:19:50] <dioz> are you really gonna wanna test it out?
[01:20:25] <dioz> i get my fingers pretty close to a table saw
[01:20:34] <dioz> but i kind of trust myself
[01:23:55] <witnit> I have before, one time or another, miggged, tigged,arced milled, turned, plasmuhd, torched, robot arm stuff, solder, sawwed and planed, stuffed toy claw gamed, cleaned horses hoofs, shingled roofs, mingled with art, learned never to trust a fart
[01:24:17] <witnit> lots of stuff
[01:24:21] <witnit> hard to recall it all
[01:24:29] <witnit> I dont know about those saws
[01:24:51] <witnit> they are like... yeahh cool idea but I would be setting that thing off all the time
[01:25:08] <witnit> probably destroy its self in a year
[01:25:31] <dioz> so when you go golfing a handful is for par is 4 not 5?
[01:25:41] <dioz> handful for par
[01:25:59] <witnit> golf...
[01:26:13] <dioz> must be a white thing
[01:26:13] <witnit> never made much sense of that game
[01:26:21] <dioz> *shrug*
[01:27:08] <witnit> robin williams does an AWESOME skit on golf
[01:27:17] <witnit> his stand up comedy was downright filthy
[01:27:24] <dioz> dude i know caught the tip of his leather glove in a mill
[01:27:29] <dioz> and it ripped his thumb off
[01:27:38] <witnit> eww gloves while using turning tools?
[01:27:40] <witnit> no thanks
[01:28:00] <dioz> i wonder if jewish jews wear their tzitzis around turning tools
[01:28:19] <dioz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzitzit
[01:28:52] <witnit> ATTACHED TO THE UNDERGARMENT
[01:28:56] <witnit> nope nope nope
[01:29:56] <dioz> nevermind the sideburns and the beard
[01:30:11] <dioz> i'm concerned about the twisted cords
[01:30:41] <witnit> we are ruining the integrity of this channel
[01:31:02] <dioz> on that note i am going to bed
[01:31:06] <witnit> hahahah
[01:31:30] <witnit> sleep tight dont tie yout tzitzi too tight!
[02:24:33] <Deejay> moin
[02:33:13] <witnit> mojnQ
[02:33:33] <Deejay> :)
[04:42:40] <XXCoder> wow I'm not here
[04:56:06] <jthornton> morning
[04:57:16] <malcom2073> Morning
[05:05:21] <jthornton> hmm jessie offers no update manager or menu editor lol
[05:08:44] <XXCoder> collect em all!
[05:22:01] <jthornton> lol, can't update linuxcnc in jessie because of a zillion things I don't understand
[05:22:46] <jthornton> I wonder why debian tries so hard to make your experience so difficult to use that software
[05:23:48] * jthornton gives up on the whole debian idea
[05:46:07] <Deejay> back to ubuntu? :)
[05:54:45] <jthornton> sorta back to linuxmint
[05:56:49] <jthornton> looks like we got some rain last night, I wonder what my hole in the ground looks like
[06:08:48] <jthornton> hmm I think I have a hard disk issue
[06:09:41] <XXCoder> WA state seem to have decided to end summer early
[06:09:54] <XXCoder> normally mid-july to mid-aug is very hot
[06:09:56] <XXCoder> but...
[06:10:13] <XXCoder> it is lowering into 60s f next week.
[06:12:00] <jthornton> we are still mid 70's at night and around 90 during the day
[06:21:29] <XXCoder> glad of loweing temp though, shop gets HOT
[06:21:44] <XXCoder> last year I had to constantly use wet rags to keep myself cool
[06:24:54] <jthornton> I insulated the heck out of the shop so a tiny window unit keeps it nice at 72 or so
[06:25:05] <XXCoder> lol
[06:25:11] <jthornton> 13" of itch in the attic and 2x6 walls
[06:25:33] <XXCoder> garage in winter is so cold that Yeti complained to me that it was too cold
[06:25:57] <XXCoder> and in summers Torch complained to me it was too hot
[06:26:08] <jthornton> I have a tiny wood stove to keep it warm in the winter
[06:57:31] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: insulate the garage
[06:57:41] <Loetmichel> works for both problems ;)
[06:57:41] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: not paying for that
[06:57:59] <XXCoder> we dont own house :D
[06:58:52] <XXCoder> time tp sleep later
[07:01:43] <Loetmichel> a few packs of 50mm styrofoam arent that expensive. And if that is a big comfort gain i would be willing to pay that. one could even mount them temporarily with double sided tape to prevent the landlord from running amok for "destroyed the garage".
[07:02:42] <SpeedEvil> That will cause - unless you ventilate behind them - major condensation
[07:02:57] <SpeedEvil> - if you do more than slight heating
[07:03:12] <SpeedEvil> If you work in the space of course, and create moisture
[07:03:28] <Loetmichel> true
[07:03:47] <Loetmichel> thats why you should ventilate
[07:04:19] <Loetmichel> easily done by setting them up on small strips of the same foam to create a 50mm hollow wall
[07:04:50] <SpeedEvil> arranging airflow can be more annoying
[07:05:59] <archivist> heat exchanger ventilation
[07:06:09] <SpeedEvil> archivist: well - yes
[07:06:18] <SpeedEvil> archivist: but this is ventilating behind the insulation
[07:07:01] <SpeedEvil> ventilating in the 'habitable' space helps lots too, and may in some cases eliminate need
[07:07:28] <archivist> I just had my wall cavity filled with fluff, waiting to see the improvement during winter
[07:09:00] <SpeedEvil> Intersticial condensation is fun!
[07:11:30] <archivist> I dont have central heating anyway so shoult be a bit better
[07:12:58] <Loetmichel> archivist: there are cheap ways to achive heat exchanger ventilation. just a 100mm hole in the wall, some PC fans and some corrugated aluminium/plastic arranged in a special way
[07:17:29] <SpeedEvil> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222249781_New_counter_flow_heat_exchanger_designed_for_ventilation_systems_in_cold_climates
[07:17:30] <SpeedEvil> see that
[07:17:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Correx-Sheet-1-2m-x-2-4m-8x4-2mm-4mm-Corrugated-Plastic-White-or-Black-/151110513091 plus that. (do not buy from there, expensive)
[08:58:48] <MacGalempsy_> good morning
[11:27:32] <MacGalempsy_> *crickets chirping*
[11:31:41] <mase-tech> HI peps I search a example cnc for machining steel
[11:32:23] <witnit> Goooooood Morning MacGalempsy_!
[11:33:40] <gregcnc> witnit did you finish the big clausing lathe
[11:33:49] <witnit> mase-tech: Machining steel example? I guess a lathe would be a good example or milling machine. What exactly do you need?
[11:34:56] <witnit> gregcnc: yeah I mean... kinda haha I ran a job off it, got the turret written in for rotation and a few other things finished up, then I went to canada, came back and have a whole slew of projects to do first. Then maybe I can make it more neat and complete.
[11:37:18] <mase-tech> witnit I am trying to get a mill and convert it to cnc. Unfortunatly there are no good offers since I am looking for.
[11:37:30] <gregcnc> Yeah I remember is was working enough to get some work done
[11:38:03] <mase-tech> There are also big cnc (portal) which can machine alu. But I wonder if theycan also work with steel
[11:39:22] <mase-tech> I friend of mine bought a protal cnc for 5000 euro. It can machine mainly alu and carbone
[11:39:56] <gregcnc> like a router?
[11:39:59] <mase-tech> So I wonder what about to plan a cnc which can mill stell
[11:41:04] <mase-tech> yes like a router
[11:41:27] <gregcnc> For steel I would be looking for a real mill
[11:41:39] <witnit> ^
[11:41:47] <MacGalempsy_> agreed
[11:41:57] <MacGalempsy_> witnit: making anything cool today?
[11:42:12] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/KF-10-L-Bernardo-Bohr-und-Frasmaschine-/331497640392?hash=item4d2ecc91c8:g:9eoAAOSwWTRWwkhm
[11:42:31] <mase-tech> this is a light vesion but it is affordable
[11:43:08] <mase-tech> I think it can machine steel at 1000N/mm2
[11:44:32] <witnit> Oh yeah, im in the middle of building an enclosure now for guy and it uses these servo actuators, it look like a hydraulic cylinder but has a motor and ballscrew to drive the shaft in and out
[11:44:59] <witnit> these should be fun!
[11:45:18] <gregcnc> are you buying or building the actuators?
[11:45:40] <witnit> buying
[11:46:56] <witnit> I have everything I need but I just cant seem to get the motivation right to do what I need to move on with the project
[11:47:05] <witnit> I guess I better start some strong coffee
[11:47:45] <gregcnc> coffee is good
[11:49:56] <archivist> I need some of that motivation
[11:51:03] <witnit> I think coffee and a game of chess will get me going today, anyone want to play?
[11:51:50] <witnit> https://lichess.org/9ys7YSfU click that link to join the game if you are interested
[12:01:29] <djdelorie> witnit: if not, try chess.delorie.com :-)
[12:02:27] <witnit> booknarked!
[12:02:30] <witnit> err marked*
[12:26:08] <MacGalempsy_> chess?
[12:26:11] <MacGalempsy_> I need some coffee
[12:26:31] <MacGalempsy_> alright. im in the game
[12:30:00] <MacGalempsy_> witnit:
[12:32:01] <witnit> MacGalempsy_:
[12:32:07] <witnit> I sent you a PM
[12:32:33] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/262563176674 hmm a new 10 year old robodrill
[12:49:51] <FloppyDisk> I don't think it'll fit in my small garage:-(
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-BMC-30-CNC-Vertical-Mill/122071601951
[12:51:10] <_methods> tear down the walls!!!
[12:51:58] <FloppyDisk> It didn't even fit in the storage space, they had to put in in sideways...
[12:52:03] <FloppyDisk> or rotated..
[12:52:15] <_methods> they did that to make it look more secksay
[12:52:44] <gregcnc> for 500$ why store it?
[13:06:47] <MacGalempsy_> wow that is a great deal. I wonder if they will load it on a truck
[13:13:40] <MacGalempsy_> http://geekologie.com/2016/08/the-ripchair-an-all-terrain-vehicle-for.php
[13:16:53] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: when they got it they forget to open the box and then forgot about it after it fell behind the sofa
[13:17:26] <gregcnc> sounds right
[13:18:44] <gregcnc> http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987
[13:19:33] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of gymnastics floor competition
[13:19:48] <CaptHindsight> the flaming ribbon
[13:23:05] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WgYAAOSwnFZXUnUa/s-l1600.jpg hurco lurking in the hallway
[14:21:55] <MacGalempsy_> I see the next job for linuxcnc...
http://geekologie.com/2016/08/man-builds-a-self-balancing-stick-that-s.php
[14:35:49] <lair82> pcw_home you around?
[14:41:15] <lair82> PCW_ you around?
[14:50:53] <lair82> PCW_ pcw_home, Going to post this so if you see it after I leave, I will check the log in the morning, I was trying to update the the firmware on another one of my turning centers I/O cards, and realized the 5i23 firmware is version 31, so I am not sure where t oget the firmware to update my 5i23, the .bit file I use is "rmsvss6_8.bit". I loaded the latest copy of that I have, but it still comes back as v31. Do I need to power cyc
[14:50:53] <lair82> le the 5i23 to get this to take affect?
[15:41:50] <blib> did anyone read up on the othermill pro?
[15:43:07] <_methods> i don't think they know what "pro" means
[15:43:20] <blib> _methods: what's the difference between shapeoko and nomad 883?
[15:43:29] <_methods> no idea
[15:44:10] <blib> carvey?
[15:44:31] <PCW_> lair82: updated 5i23 bitfile:
[15:44:33] <PCW_> http://freeby.mesanet.com/rmsvss6_8.bit
[15:45:04] <blib> _methods:
https://shop.carbide3d.com/collections/machines/products/shapeoko3?variant=11517165318 - any thoughts on this machine?
[15:45:30] <_methods> meh
[15:45:42] <blib> _methods: ? :)
[15:46:02] <_methods> i think it looks like a pile of crap
[15:46:25] <gregcnc> i think we went through all these machines a few months ago
[15:46:34] <_methods> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/crp2448-2-x-4-cnc-router-kit-p-164.html
[15:46:41] <_methods> that's $1k more and probably better
[15:46:43] <blib> _methods: < $2k - any suggestions what I could buy? I only need very small part cuts, but my parts are complicated. Was looking into pocket nc, but its not shipping yet
[15:47:32] <blib> _methods: I need just a 8" x 8" x 6" work area...something small.
[15:48:11] <blib> _methods: once you assemble the one you linked, how precise is it?
[15:48:18] <_methods> i have no idea
[15:48:20] <_methods> never built one
[15:48:44] <_methods> it says +/- .005
[15:48:47] <_methods> in the specs
[15:49:52] <blib> _methods: to me accuracy is important
[15:49:56] <blib> large work area is not
[15:50:21] <_methods> well i don't think any machine you've named off would fit your requirements then
[15:50:55] <_methods> what are you trying to make?
[15:53:06] <blib> _methods: I need to CNC small parts for my robot
[15:53:12] <CaptHindsight> these tb660 drive are no good, the stepper motors are >100C after sitting overnight
[15:53:12] <blib> things like gears, adapters etc
[15:53:30] <_methods> out of what materials?
[15:53:58] <blib> alum? alum alloy?
[15:54:53] <CaptHindsight> cranked the max current down to 0.6A and the motors still get way to hot when idling
[15:55:04] <_methods> well i don't think a shapeoko or any machine like it will net you alum parts
[15:55:52] <_methods> you're probably going to want to get something like that cncrouterparts build or better
[15:58:03] <CaptHindsight> there are several linear servo motor positioners on ebay, you could build a router that small with 5um accuracy for a few $K
[15:58:37] <blib> CaptHindsight: perhaps someone has already done that, and has a diy webpage somewhere with parts?
[15:59:28] <blib> I'm really looking to cut alum/copper/... with high accuracy - small parts
[16:00:58] <blib> http://www.pocketnc.com/pocket-nc/ - this looks good - perhaps someone here owns one?
[16:05:43] <XXCoder> blib: I know people in here commeted tha it does not sound that good cutting alum
[16:06:00] <XXCoder> suggest watch videos and think about it. its tiny but may work for you.
[16:07:51] <blib> XXCoder: you mean pocketnc?
[16:07:57] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:10:49] <blib> XXCoder: once I buy a machine like that, where do I source alum to cut? :)
[16:11:04] <blib> XXCoder: preferably a cheap place. Can I recycle?
[16:14:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.metalsupermarkets.com/
[16:15:15] <CaptHindsight> buy from the nearest store, not from the online store
[16:21:46] <JT-Shop> scrap yard
[16:23:24] <gregcnc> ooh mystery metal
[16:24:17] <JT-Shop> there is a place in St Louis that gets metal from the aircraft factory and sells it cheap
[16:24:20] <blib> are there alum alloys that pocketnc can cut?
[16:24:44] <blib> CaptHindsight: nothin near me :(
[16:25:01] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: concrete 6am tomorrow!
[16:25:05] <gregcnc> is pocket size a requirement?
[16:25:35] <JT-Shop> shirt pocket or pants pocket?
[16:52:22] <Deejay> gn8
[17:00:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did the survey crew get it in the right spot?
[17:03:13] <Tom_itx> 8" polished slab with cut seams :)
[17:23:59] <JT-Shop> yea, he said I was within 1/2" of grade and square
[17:24:18] <JT-Shop> one worker asked the boss where's grade he said he is at grade
[17:24:47] <JT-Shop> working on the last pipe to be stubbed out
[17:42:20] <dioz> anyone here weld galv iron sheet metal ? 14-26 gauge
[17:44:58] <Tom_itx> you already asked that
[17:46:05] <JT-Shop> no way would I weld galvanized anything
[17:46:29] * JT-Shop is officially done with the big dig
[17:48:39] <Valen> My understanding is you either grind it off or you use forced air resiprators
[17:53:19] <JT-Shop> even if you try and grind it off you still need special respirators
[17:54:04] * JT-Shop smells like he has been sweating all day
[18:07:49] <dioz> why do you need respirators?
[18:08:33] <gregcnc> http://www.weldmyworld.com/blog/2011/12/side-effects-of-welding-galvanized-steel.html
[18:09:19] <_methods> either wear a respirator or keep a jug of milk o magnesia handy
[18:09:21] <_methods> lol
[18:09:38] <_methods> and a boat load of motrin
[18:09:56] <SpeedEvil> Not wearing respirators when welding or doing other high temperature fabrication is fucking insane.
[18:10:27] <dioz> so that wensite claims it isn't deadlt
[18:10:28] <dioz> deadly
[18:10:36] <dioz> it just has the potential to make you temporarily ill
[18:10:39] <gregcnc> we all make choices
[18:10:41] <malcom2073> Water is deadly in the right doses
[18:10:44] <dioz> ^
[18:10:55] <malcom2073> Yet it's claimed to not be deadly :)
[18:11:08] <gregcnc> life is 100% deadly
[18:11:17] <SpeedEvil> It can be really hard to find out if temporarily ill is shortening your life
[18:11:34] <dioz> well. when you solder sheet metal you clean the zinc off with muriatic acid
[18:11:57] <dioz> wouldn't it be simple to just paint a half inch line of muriatic acid along your longitudinal seams
[18:12:00] <dioz> ?
[18:12:04] <CaptHindsight> it's also a good idea to wear pants and long sleeves when welding
[18:12:13] <dioz> i weld in the nude
[18:12:16] <dioz> it's kind of a fetish
[18:12:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12109555 - mild lung cancer risk for welding
[18:12:53] <_methods> you'll only do it one time i can promise you
[18:13:04] <dioz> okay... so idk what is with this channel. but every time i mention welding galv iron everyone talks about "the fumes"
[18:13:10] <_methods> after that you'll make it a point to stay far away from the fumes
[18:13:10] <dioz> who huffs their welding fumes anyways?
[18:13:34] <dioz> i'm not concerned about the safety portion i'm just wondering if anyone in this channel that's currently active has ever done it
[18:13:39] <_methods> what do you want to know about welding galv?
[18:13:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26099185
[18:13:42] <_methods> just weld it
[18:13:59] <dioz> i guess i'mma just have to take matters into my own hand
[18:14:03] <dioz> and have a go at her i guess
[18:14:07] <_methods> yep
[18:14:07] <SpeedEvil> removing the galvanisation is a good plan - a moment with a grinder
[18:14:09] <SpeedEvil> for example
[18:14:10] <_methods> it's just steel
[18:14:15] <_methods> weld it and move the fuk on
[18:14:25] <dioz> i wanna get pro at welding sheet metal
[18:14:26] <dioz> TBH
[18:14:32] <dioz> specifically with a tig
[18:14:35] <CaptHindsight> is somebody trollin about welding galvanized again?
[18:14:41] <_methods> well grab some scraps and start welding
[18:14:43] <dioz> ^ has me on ignore
[18:14:50] <_methods> you won't get any better in irc
[18:14:58] <gregcnc> if it deds you let us know
[18:14:59] <dioz> _methods: i'm a tin banger by trade. i just landed a fat stack in my garage
[18:15:17] <dioz> i have a huge fucking stack of galv iron sheet metal in my garage
[18:15:21] <CaptHindsight> must have them on my ignore list
[18:15:22] <dioz> 14-26 gauge
[18:15:29] <_methods> weld something
[18:15:56] <dioz> _methods: any suggestions for a tig welder with HF and a pedal?
[18:16:02] <dioz> for $1500-$2000 CAD?
[18:16:09] <dioz> AC/DC
[18:16:10] <_methods> new or used?
[18:16:13] <dioz> either/or
[18:16:14] <dioz> don't matter
[18:16:20] <_methods> craigslist
[18:16:23] <_methods> auctions
[18:16:36] <dioz> i live in a small city which is shitty
[18:16:41] <_methods> i have a miller dynasty 200 and a ltec 306
[18:16:43] <dioz> i guess i'll have to plan a trip out west
[18:17:01] <dioz> _methods: is it worth going blue or red? what are your thoughts on china models?
[18:17:19] <dioz> miller/lincoln
[18:17:25] <_methods> well i have both lincoln and miller
[18:17:31] <_methods> so i'm not partial
[18:17:39] <_methods> they both seem to make metal stick together
[18:17:52] <_methods> and i don't know shit about the chinese welders
[18:18:01] <_methods> but there are some people in here that do have exp with them
[18:18:11] <_methods> unless they put you on ignore
[18:18:23] <_methods> in that case they won't be helping you there lol
[18:18:26] <dioz> i've annoyed a few people over the last couple days ;]
[18:18:36] <dioz> mostly people who claim that "you'll die welding galv iron"
[18:18:41] <dioz> cause those people are morons
[18:18:50] <_methods> you'll feel like you want to die that's for sure
[18:18:53] <malcom2073> I have a feeling, that their opinions on welding have little to do with their annoyance :)
[18:18:54] <_methods> it's not a fun feeling
[18:19:21] <_methods> unless you're into pounding headaches, nausea, vomiting
[18:19:24] <_methods> that sort of stuff
[18:19:35] <dioz> i mean i totally understand you aren't supposed to huff the pretty blue smoke
[18:19:38] <_methods> if that's what your into, then by all means huff it up
[18:19:40] <dioz> i'm not a COMPLETE moron
[18:19:55] <SpeedEvil> Ventilate as much as you can, and have fun
[18:20:08] <dioz> that is what i think it's gonna come down to tbh
[18:20:14] <dioz> is just giving it a go
[18:20:18] <dioz> and seeing how it ends up
[18:20:40] <_methods> people weld galv all day long
[18:20:40] <dioz> i just spent $15,000 on the GF's engagement ring so she's gonna buy me a welder
[18:20:50] <dioz> *shrug*
[18:21:22] <_methods> it's kinda like flash burn
[18:21:23] <dioz> _methods: people have been welding galv for years and years and years
[18:21:32] <_methods> you get it one time then you learn your lesson
[18:21:41] <dioz> my uncle says he's never gotten welders fever from welding galv before
[18:21:42] <_methods> after that you just get it because you were being stupid
[18:21:48] <dioz> and he's been at it for 40 years
[18:22:01] <_methods> well there ya have it
[18:22:26] <dioz> plus i'm hung over most days
[18:22:31] <dioz> so i don't imagine it's much worse TBH
[18:22:34] <_methods> less chatter and more splatter
[18:22:37] <Tom_itx> dioz i know no morons in this channel but the ones that don't take advice
[18:23:04] <_methods> make me some galv flower planters
[18:23:22] <dioz> Tom_itx: there's a difference between giving advice and being adamant that someone will get sick from welding galv
[18:23:51] <dioz> if the first thing that comes to mind about welding galv is "getting sick" you're obviously talking to the wrong person
[18:23:54] <dioz> or not a very smart person ;]
[18:24:01] <dioz> who doesn't wear respirators now days?
[18:24:10] <dioz> who doesn't weld in well ventilated areas now days?
[18:24:16] <dioz> this isn't the 60's or 70's
[18:24:56] <alex4nder> dioz: I know people in the past 5 years, that have gotten poisoned by zinc, because they didn't understand
[18:24:56] <dioz> next you'll tell me not to heat my garage with propane
[18:25:02] <Tom_itx> stop going on about it then and start welding
[18:25:15] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna tell you anything
[18:25:35] <_methods> yeah i don't care if you make yourself sick lol
[18:25:41] <_methods> just take pics
[18:25:43] <dioz> lol
[18:25:51] <alex4nder> dioz: it's really confusing that you're arguing with people on the internet, about a subject you haven't done
[18:25:56] <alex4nder> but it is the internet
[18:26:12] <alex4nder> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:26:20] <dioz> alex4nder: because it seems like all the "know it alls" have no information about the actual welding of galv
[18:26:25] <_methods> 🍆
[18:26:25] <dioz> it's all about the "fumes"
[18:26:31] <alex4nder> dioz: they gave you the information already
[18:26:38] <dioz> that i'll get sick?
[18:26:44] <dioz> top notch information!
[18:26:51] <alex4nder> check the backscroll
[18:27:09] <_methods> 💩
[18:27:11] <_methods> lol
[18:27:11] <dioz> no ones mentioned amps for thinner gauges
[18:27:19] <dioz> no ones mentioned HF vs. scratch start
[18:27:32] <dioz> no ones mentioned tungsten rod information
[18:27:37] <_methods> all that depends on your machine
[18:27:37] <alex4nder> none of that has anything to do with galvanized anything
[18:27:45] <_methods> and you don't have a machine
[18:27:47] <CaptHindsight> backtroll
[18:27:47] <alex4nder> that's TIG 101
[18:27:52] <dioz> it has to do with the thickness of the metal though doesn't it?
[18:27:52] <_methods> so hard for use to recommend you that stuff
[18:28:02] <_methods> sure amps per thickness
[18:28:04] <dioz> regardless if it's galv or not
[18:28:05] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: +1
[18:28:06] <alex4nder> dioz: you should be shutting your mouth, opening your ears, and finding a local person to teach you TIG
[18:28:07] <_methods> as a good starting point
[18:28:15] <alex4nder> all this stuff will come together
[18:28:28] <alex4nder> dioz: you should be watching as many weldingtipsandtricks youtube videos as possible
[18:28:34] <Duc_mobile> this is still goign on today
[18:28:44] <dioz> are you saying IRC isn't a completely reasonable place to ask questions on the matter?
[18:28:54] <alex4nder> not if you're going to argue with people on a subject you don't know anything about
[18:28:57] <alex4nder> it's obnoxious
[18:28:59] <_methods> well this is kinda linuxcnc not #welding
[18:28:59] <Tom_itx> this isn't a welding channel
[18:29:03] <alex4nder> kind of like zinc fumes
[18:29:08] <Duc_mobile> just look for a syncowave 200 machine perfect for any home shop
[18:29:14] <CaptHindsight> Duc_mobile: it takes a few days until everyone gets fed up
[18:29:37] <_methods> how many days has this been going on?
[18:29:41] <dioz> 3 days ;]
[18:29:42] <Tom_itx> kinda like the guy building the tabletop mill....
[18:29:46] <alex4nder> dioz: the first thing my TIG instructor told me to read was this:
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com
[18:29:46] <_methods> sweet jesus
[18:29:52] <CaptHindsight> this is day 3
[18:29:56] <dioz> ^
[18:29:57] <_methods> fook me
[18:30:06] <_methods> sorry for feeding the troll
[18:30:10] <dioz> 5:02PM up 12 days, 21:47, 1 user, load averages: 0.13, 0.09, 0.08
[18:30:32] <CaptHindsight> we need a troll alert system
[18:30:41] <Tom_itx> or a good op
[18:30:43] <_methods> i'll go back to watching the pro troll, the donald
[18:30:46] <dioz> you need to stop being SJW's and just ignore me if you don't like the chats
[18:30:50] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[18:30:55] <dioz> take the matters into your own hands instead of complaining about it
[18:31:10] <Tom_itx> dioz stay on topic and we may be able to tolerate you
[18:31:29] <dioz> asking about welding in a channel dedicated to CNC isn't far from topic
[18:31:41] <dioz> pretty close to topic if you ask me
[18:31:48] <Tom_itx> but i didn't
[18:31:49] <alex4nder> dioz: nobody is being an SJW, they're just too polite
[18:32:02] <alex4nder> go read weldingtipsandtricks.com
[18:32:21] <alex4nder> everything you've asked, is answered there, in a comprehensive format
[18:32:30] <dioz> clearly i've done more reading than the lot of the people who're giving advice
[18:32:35] <dioz> "welding galv is deadly"
[18:32:37] <dioz> no it isn't
[18:32:51] <alex4nder> haha ok
[18:32:56] <alex4nder> how's your health insurance?
[18:33:02] <Tom_itx> i think you just wanna argue now
[18:33:09] <malcom2073> I feel like there's no way to actually respond without it being taken badly.... That's kaftatrapping
[18:33:16] <dioz> i just wanna know if there's anyone who's actually done it
[18:33:22] <alex4nder> dioz: I've done it.
[18:33:23] <CaptHindsight> the problem should take care of itself
[18:33:24] <dioz> not just a bunch of keyboard warriors
[18:33:26] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:33:46] <Tom_itx> i've worn a few of those out too
[18:33:59] <CaptHindsight> welding galvanized, C4, full tanks of fuel, etc
[18:34:14] <_methods> i welded the hair to donalds head
[18:34:24] <_methods> beat that
[18:34:39] <_methods> that shit is fierce
[18:34:51] <dioz> i have no problems with donald
[18:34:53] <Frank_15> hi guys
[18:34:55] <dioz> infact i think his policy is solid
[18:34:56] <alex4nder> Frank_15: hey
[18:35:00] <dioz> but that is off topic
[18:35:19] <CaptHindsight> orange hair to orange skin
[18:35:33] <_methods> it took me several days to perfect the technique
[18:35:54] <_methods> the process sheets are extremely complicated
[18:36:03] <_methods> you'll all have to sign NDA's to see them
[18:37:00] <CaptHindsight> in orange type on orange paper
[18:37:17] <_methods> the highest quality orange paper
[18:37:40] <alex4nder> I thought they used radioactive shredded wheat.
[18:37:43] <dioz> when welding trump hair be very cautious of the fumes
[18:37:55] <dioz> they'll definitely cause infant mortality rates to sky-rocket
[18:37:55] <CaptHindsight> orange paper so high quality you won't believe the quality
[18:38:05] <Frank_15> nuclear meltdown
[18:38:08] <dioz> ^
[18:38:32] <dioz> and not just "nuclear meltdown" but more like "holyfuckingshit nuclear melt down"
[18:39:56] <Duc_mobile> well, speaking from expeience you wont be able to weld galv steel. to much contimate for the weld to take
[18:40:17] <dioz> contimate?
[18:40:38] <CaptHindsight> nucular meltdown (dubyah)
[18:40:46] <Duc_mobile> contamination
[18:40:50] <_methods> consomme
[18:41:01] <dioz> contimination = the galv?
[18:41:02] <Duc_mobile> tig only works with clean metal
[18:41:16] <Duc_mobile> yes galv = contimination
[18:41:28] <dioz> can't you use muriatic acid to remove the galv?
[18:41:31] <dioz> like they do with soldering?
[18:42:17] <Frank_15> u die if u weld galvanized
[18:42:23] <dioz> lol
[18:43:04] <Frank_15> http://www.weldmyworld.com/blog/2011/12/side-effects-of-welding-galvanized-steel.html
[18:43:20] <Duc_mobile> no clue but only fluxcore or stick well weld on galv steel
[18:44:09] <dioz> heh. this is all a giant elaborate troll
[18:44:11] <dioz> you know this right?
[18:44:20] <dioz> i mean... the people who claim they "know something"
[18:44:26] <dioz> it makes me lol
[18:44:29] <dioz> i can't get enough of it
[18:44:59] <dioz> i am well versed in welding galv iron
[18:45:02] <dioz> black iron
[18:45:27] <dioz> as a sheet metal worker i've even gone through technical school on the matter
[18:45:35] <dioz> but this channel makes me loooooooooooooooooool
[18:45:41] <dioz> so i keep asking cause it's funny
[18:46:38] <_methods> have you ever touched another man's penis
[18:46:42] <dioz> yes
[18:46:54] <_methods> there you have it
[18:47:25] <dioz> who hasn't?
[18:47:31] <dioz> you ever play bag tag with your mates at work?
[18:48:58] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ
[18:49:18] <Frank_15> guys, what wire size do you use for signal wires and limits?
[18:51:00] <_methods> do you like movies about gladiators
[18:52:20] <_methods> i can't believe how long you guys put up with that polyfaggort but this guy pisses everyone off in 3 days
[18:52:23] <_methods> WTF
[18:52:48] <malcom2073> _methods: poly was an unintentional troll, way more tolerable than intentional ones heh
[18:53:00] <_methods> i'm not buyin that
[18:53:17] <Tom_itx> likely related
[18:53:49] <_methods> indeed
[19:14:09] <Duc_mobile> inbreed maybe
[19:14:27] <malcom2073> Speaking of Florida....
[19:30:39] <ljn> git checkout -b 2.7 origin/2.7 #this gave me 2.8.0~pre1
[19:30:57] <ljn> is that stable enough? I'm not doing anything critical right now
[19:31:20] <Tom_itx> that could be a question for -devel
[19:31:31] <ljn> ok
[19:32:33] <ljn> I'm going to keep it for now
[19:44:30] <witnit> anyone used these before? Can in put it in place of my fuses in the enclosure in behind my servo drives AND use it as a shutoff? if I already have a disconnect and fuses on the wall?
http://www.alliedelec.com/m/d/36ac5c7b8443bd266a07569ca1e8ff76.pdf
[19:47:26] <witnit> that so poorly worded. I guess what im asking is, should this ONLY be used to replace fuses or is it safe to kill power to drives using its switch?
[19:49:11] <gregcnc> wouldn't that be inconvenient if it's in an enclosure
[19:50:56] <witnit> yeah but It has this other part on it which is....
http://datasheet.octopart.com/3RV1901-1E-Siemens-datasheet-14370218.pdf
[19:51:18] <witnit> I think its an auxillary kill trip?
[19:52:28] <witnit> I have never used these, just hand operated contact gates and fuses in my past
[20:07:25] <Sync> the aux is not used for real switching
[20:07:43] <Sync> you should not use it after your servo drives
[20:07:44] <witnit> yeah I think I see that now, just tells its state, it appears
[20:07:54] <Sync> if they trip you will blow your drive
[20:08:27] <witnit> ok, but I mean 3phase >>>siemens relay >>>> drive>>>motor
[20:09:53] <witnit> I was going to do something like disconnect>>>>>fuses>> wire run to enclosure>>>siemans relay>>>drive>>>motor
[20:09:58] <witnit> is that proper?
[20:10:17] <Duc_mobile> that will work
[20:10:23] <Sync> you can do that
[20:10:35] <Sync> but why use a motor relay to protect your drives?
[20:10:49] <witnit> as opposed to fuses?
[20:10:50] <Sync> just use a regular fuse/breaker
[20:11:02] <witnit> well I have these handy....
[20:11:24] <witnit> I just thought they would provide more protection since all three lines drop at once
[20:11:26] <Duc_mobile> any opinion on a used laptop to try linuxcnc with?
[20:11:44] <Duc_mobile> something off ebay
[20:12:12] <Sync> you will need to use a 3 phase breaker
[20:12:19] <Sync> which trips all together
[20:12:31] <witnit> so is there a reason I should not use these?
[20:13:06] <Sync> the turnoff characteristic is iirc not suited to be a primary fuse
[20:13:36] <witnit> oh so each of these would need fuses behind them anyways to be ran proper?
[20:14:28] <witnit> Duc_mobile: I think many laptops have issues with latency, which can cause issues obviously with certain setups
[20:14:34] <Sync> in front of them
[20:15:16] <Duc_mobile> witnit: going to run a mesa 7i92 for a non machining application. Needs to be portable
[20:17:13] <witnit> Duc_mobile: can the screen be connected via VNC? if possible I would suggest using a small board with just a ethernet port and connect to it with a laptop
[20:17:43] <witnit> then you can pull the laptop at anytime and the machine continue to run and be EXTRA small
[20:17:52] <witnit> and in a good enclosure
[20:18:49] <Duc_mobile> maybe. Power would be limited to what can be pulled off a 12volt car battery
[20:19:10] <witnit> look at a "carputer"
[20:19:17] <Duc_mobile> minus the 12v to 48v boast for stepper motors
[20:19:23] <witnit> and maybe decide that way
[20:19:49] <Duc_mobile> crap I forgot about that. I built ones of those back in the day
[20:20:01] <witnit> NTM you can run your VNC via smartphone and tablet
[20:20:24] <Duc_mobile> guess everytime Ive used a VNC there is a lag
[20:20:41] <Duc_mobile> in screen presenting
[20:20:42] <witnit> you could also use command line tools via ssh
[20:20:50] <witnit> axis-remote maybe?
[20:21:55] <zeeshan> why are people telling dioz not to weld galv
[20:22:01] <zeeshan> let him/her weld galv
[20:22:03] <zeeshan> life will be good for us!
[20:22:09] <witnit> jajhahjajha rude!
[20:22:18] <zeeshan> :D
[20:22:36] <Duc_mobile> maybe I should experiment with the mill to see how the remote screen functions
[20:23:05] <ljn> I don't know why VNC would lag that badly. We use it at work across different sites without any problem
[20:23:13] <witnit> I highly doubt it will be too slow these days
[20:23:52] <witnit> I mean it should be nearly instantaneous when there is no other load on the network
[20:24:00] <witnit> even with the wireless options
[20:24:12] <Sync> you can also just xforward
[20:24:15] <witnit> Duc_mobile: Im curious what will this be for>
[20:26:02] <Duc_mobile> witnit: building one of these for fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gm-3xgVJ_8
[20:26:06] <witnit> if all you really need to be able to SEE is your toolpath or something like that maybe you could try routing gremlin view
[20:26:33] <Duc_mobile> I will need to alsoo forward the webcam image that shows the scope image as it moves
[20:26:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan!!!!!
[20:26:48] <zeeshan> hi
[20:26:56] <Tom_itx> where were you when we needed....
[20:26:58] <witnit> "for fun" huh?
[20:27:04] <zeeshan> needed for what
[20:27:06] <zeeshan> dioz troll??!
[20:27:33] <Duc_mobile> i work in the firearm industry so we like to have fun
[20:27:40] <witnit> hahah got it :)
[20:27:47] <witnit> maybe you should download zoneminder
[20:27:47] <zeeshan> brb
[20:28:03] <witnit> and integrate a tracking system to drive the unit
[20:28:58] <Duc_mobile> nope that is a very dark gray area of law
[20:29:17] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzmyR9CfGI
[20:29:25] <witnit> hahaha so scary
[20:30:18] <Duc_mobile> if I was a software developer I might be able to tie it into linuxcnc
[20:32:27] <Duc_mobile> baby steps
[20:37:22] <Duc_mobile> Mini ITX boards are pretty cheap on ebay. Intel DG45FC Mini-ITX motherboard with an Intel Q8200 Core 2 Quad processor and 4gb (2x4gb) of DDR2-677 RAM (Actica Brand).
[20:37:33] <Duc_mobile> $60
[20:49:45] <witnit> I cant recall but if the 7i92 uses ethernet make sure you pick a board with dual ethernet so you can connect remotely that way
[20:50:03] <witnit> and still have a free eth for the card
[20:55:03] <Duc_mobile> very good point almost forgot about that
[20:55:47] <witnit> PCW_: always mentions a board type to me which works for this application, I think j1800 or something like that?
[20:57:24] <witnit> I wonder if this one works?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Nano-itx-motherboard-12-x-12cm-with-celeron-j1800-processor-dual-LAN-port-HD-MI-VGA/32627781688.html?spm=2114.40010408.3.16.EOo3Fm
[20:57:28] <witnit> looks sweet and tiny
[20:57:29] <dioz> i'm not a troll
[20:57:50] <witnit> someones hungry!!
[20:58:26] <dioz> so the comments thus far have been you can't weld galv iron sheet metal cause of the galv. so i said use muriatic acid to cleans the area of the galv prior like you do with soldering
[20:58:41] <dioz> that is where the conversation has kind of only had one reasonable argument that i've seen
[20:58:48] <dioz> acid can affect the composition of the iron
[20:58:58] <dioz> as well with lack of oxidation
[20:59:13] <dioz> the potential for rust or other such items to damage the iron is likely
[20:59:27] <Duc_mobile> order a new cdrom for the wife old laptop to see if that will allow me to install linuxcnc on the thing
[21:00:24] <witnit> install via usb stick!!!!
[21:00:40] <SpeedEvil> dioz: yes, of course if you clean it off, there is no isue
[21:00:59] <SpeedEvil> and clean off the acid so you don't get further corrision
[21:01:03] <dioz> and people seem to be OBSESSED with huffing their welding fumes in this channel
[21:01:06] <dioz> transparently
[21:01:14] <Duc_mobile> tried to install by USB stick. wouldnt boot from it. freaking worthless windows 10 bios shit
[21:01:29] <dioz> yah you'd wipe it down with a damp water cloth or something
[21:01:45] <dioz> you'd use a thin strip paint brush for application to control where you're putting it
[21:01:56] <witnit> install to hdd then replace hdd in laptop
[21:02:39] <Duc_mobile> that may work. Order a new cddrom for 13 dollars off ebay
[21:10:24] <witnit> oh 13 not bad :)
[21:12:56] <Duc_mobile> dirty cheap
[21:14:32] <Duc_mobile> ok bed time
[21:37:40] <ljn> when I launch pncconf wizard it says I have no hostmot2 firmware in /lib/firmware/hm2 ... PNCconf will use internal firmware data
[21:37:58] <ljn> apt search hostmot2 lists a number of items
[21:38:15] <ljn> I have a 6i25
[22:22:00] <dioz> anyone ever painted galv iron?
[22:22:18] <dioz> what's the best way to paint galv iron?
[22:24:00] <Tom_itx> powdercoat
[22:28:49] <dioz> those fumes are inhalable right?
[22:31:37] <Tom_itx> no fumes are healthy
[22:34:28] <tiwake> XXCoder: well, I'm here in texas, with my new house mates...
[23:07:57] <codepython777> if i have a dc motor, how can i test its torque?
[23:08:07] <codepython777> preferably without spending an arm and a leg
[23:10:36] <pcw_home> you can measure the torque factor with a string, a pulley, a weight, and a ampmeter
[23:11:27] <codepython777> pcw_home:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/hp-100-digital-dynamic-torque-meter_1515139846.html - will this help?
[23:12:18] <codepython777> pcw_home: have you ever used a pocket nc - Any thoughts on that cnc machine?
[23:12:52] <pcw_home> not really, to know the maximum torque you really need the motor specs (so you dont apply too much current and demagnetize the motor)
[23:13:25] <codepython777> pcw_home: I'm trying to make sure that the motors are actually close to what they are rated at
[23:14:05] <pcw_home> oh then use the pulley/string method
[23:17:17] <ljn> any debug hints on first linuxcnc launch? - getting this error
[23:17:55] <ljn> parameter or pin 'hm2_6i25.0.pwmgen.pwm_frequency' not found
[23:18:46] <ljn> basically the first line after the loadrt lines in the .hal file
[23:19:24] <pcw_home> That suggests that either there's no PWMgen in the FPGA config
[23:19:25] <pcw_home> and the hal config expects one
[23:20:05] <ljn> ok mesaflash sees the device
[23:20:25] <ljn> but there was a warning from pncconf about missing firmware
[23:20:56] <ljn> no hostmod2 firmware downloaded in folder: /lib/firmware/hm2
[23:21:24] <ljn> how to install hostmod2 firmware?
[23:21:28] <pcw_home> What daughterboard(s) are you using?
[23:21:44] <ljn> connecting to gecko540
[23:22:53] <pcw_home> First step would be to flash the card with g540 firmware
[23:24:14] <ljn> thanks - yes I had done that and it had reported: "Board configuration updated successfully"
[23:24:45] <ljn> this was with --write 5i25_g540x2.bit
[23:25:08] <pcw_home> did you power cycle the board or do a --reload?
[23:25:40] <ljn> no I did not
[23:25:51] <pcw_home> (if not it will still be using the old firmware)
[23:27:18] <ljn> ok hmm mesaflash --help doesn't show a --reload option
[23:29:27] <pcw_home> which mesaflash? the one that comes with linuxcnc has it:
[23:29:28] <pcw_home> --reload do full FPGA reload from flash (only ethernet and pci boards)
[23:30:31] <pcw_home> I would:
[23:30:33] <pcw_home> sudo apt-get install mesaflash
[23:30:49] <ljn> I was using the mesaflash downloaded from the 5i25.zip
[23:32:43] <codepython777> pcw_home: I'm looking for a 6" x 6" x 6" cut size with good accuracy. Any suggestions on how I could go about something like that?
[23:35:42] <pcw_home> ljn: thats pretty ancient I would fetch the latest
[23:36:34] <pcw_home> codepython777: a mill with 6" cube working area?
[23:36:44] <ljn> rm mesaflash
[23:36:51] <codepython777> pcw_home: are there such things with micron level accuracy?
[23:37:22] <pcw_home> yes though not cheap
[23:37:37] <codepython777> pcw_home: what is the cheapest among them?
[23:40:33] <renesis> codepython777: if you can work with 5.5" Y, a taig 2019
[23:40:50] <renesis> its like 12 x 5.5 x 5 envelope
[23:41:07] <codepython777> renesis: looking up
[23:41:37] <renesis> i would suggest buying from deepgroove1 on ebay, hes been around like 10 years
[23:41:58] <renesis> offers almost turnkey solutions, basically just need to add a pc with parport
[23:41:59] <codepython777> renesis: Mechanical Resolution: 0.0005 in. -- this is far from microns, right?
[23:42:27] <renesis> its about 10 of them
[23:42:46] <codepython777> 13 microns, i see
[23:42:48] <renesis> so i guess that depends on your definition of plural microns and far
[23:43:05] <pcw_home> also resolution is not accuracy
[23:43:07] <codepython777> I could definitely live with 13 microns
[23:43:13] <renesis> also mine steps at .00025
[23:43:16] <renesis> shrug
[23:43:28] <codepython777> pcw_home: is there one that can do 15 micron accuracy?
[23:44:16] <renesis> as far as accuracy, ive done multiple injection mold parts and matched up cavities to within like within .002"
[23:44:36] <renesis> too many within
[23:44:41] <codepython777> renesis: at home?
[23:45:07] <renesis> my mill is 2ft from my front door and like 6ft from my kitchen
[23:45:15] <renesis> so yes at home
[23:45:42] <codepython777> how do you do injection molding at home?
[23:45:48] <renesis> other stuff ive measured, within like .001" over a few inches
[23:46:17] <renesis> bachlash is under .002" and pretty consistent across the table, so software compensation works well
[23:46:34] <renesis> oh, some guy i did a job for had a home injection mold thing
[23:46:37] <codepython777> renesis: is pocket nc any good - accuracy wise?
[23:47:00] <renesis> it actually had way better results than i expected, but the guy was a crowdfunder and didnt want to pay for any more molds
[23:47:13] <renesis> i dunno i dont own one of those
[23:47:35] <renesis> i wouldnt buy anything GRBL based
[23:49:10] <CaptHindsight> there are several linear servo motor positioners on ebay, you can easily build a mill from them attain a few um accuracy
[23:49:20] <codepython777> renesis: I'm looking for something to get started...something small, but precise cuts...since i'll be using these to build small robots
[23:49:34] <renesis> have fun with that if youve never done machine building before
[23:49:52] <CaptHindsight> do you really need that accuracy?
[23:49:53] <renesis> codepython777: if you have decent machinists skills a taig is fine for that
[23:50:17] <codepython777> CaptHindsight: I currently do 50 microns with good 3d printers
[23:50:31] <renesis> crowdfunder guy hired me because he bought a mill and thought it would basically run itself, gave up when it didnt
[23:50:32] <CaptHindsight> which 3d tech?
[23:50:47] <codepython777> There is an expensive printer in the lab, and an um2+
[23:51:11] <CaptHindsight> inkjet, SLS, SLA?
[23:51:24] <renesis> shrug, for prototyping, machined parts work much better than printed parts
[23:51:41] <renesis> other than for cosmetics and testing fit
[23:51:42] <codepython777> isnt um2 - F...?
[23:51:59] <renesis> SLA is pretty sexy, tho
[23:52:18] <codepython777> formlabs = SLA?
[23:52:26] <CaptHindsight> yes
[23:53:18] <renesis> versus SLA, machined parts will be less brittle and crumbly, usually, for plastic and metals
[23:53:41] <renesis> but versus other 3d print tech, SLA is very usable
[23:53:47] <codepython777> in any case, what is a small cnc printer that does good cuts? pocket nc / carbide/ nomad/ ... is what i was looking at...
[23:54:23] <renesis> yeah carbide and nomad run off a fucking arduino, ill pass thanks
[23:54:39] <renesis> thats what crowdfunder guy bought and gave up on
[23:54:55] <codepython777> pocket nc any good?
[23:55:00] <renesis> and troubleshooting with the shipped control app was useless
[23:55:12] <renesis> so simple it basically couldnt do anything once shit went wrong
[23:55:21] <renesis> i dont know anything about pocket nc
[23:55:50] <renesis> honestly i cant recommend any simplifier, user friendly CNC system setup
[23:55:58] <renesis> as far as im concerned its a misleading scam
[23:56:27] <renesis> making the software part easier does not make CNC machining much simpler, its still 95% machining and setup skills
[23:57:19] <renesis> the guy i worked for basically got scammed out of $3500, told that what he bought was easybake oven simple
[23:57:34] <codepython777> i see
[23:57:38] <renesis> could not get decent work out of it, could not service it when it malfunctioned
[23:58:34] <CaptHindsight> but but but it was on poopstarter
[23:58:52] <renesis> also it has a smaller ER spindle than the taig, and no way the gantry setup is as rigid
[23:59:01] <renesis> and oh yeah its almost 2x as much
[23:59:36] <codepython777> how do i make a precise cnc? I need a frame/motors/spindle?
