#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-07-30

[00:03:11] <XXCoder> dunno
[00:03:25] <XXCoder> maybe make it grip harder, but also stronger motor
[00:03:34] <XXCoder> meaning better moving realiability
[00:05:29] <XXCoder> heeey
[00:05:30] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKmGVNs_y7o
[00:06:22] <XXCoder> this + cnc machine
[00:15:13] <Cromaglious_> I was thinking of almost like a rope clamp. or those broom holders with the cam against a clamping surface.
[00:16:22] <Cromaglious_> actually 2 of them driven via a rotary to linear gear set, not levers, but a interupted gear set so the speed is quite linear.
[00:23:28] <Cromaglious_> it's interrupted oscillating rack or some thing..
[00:24:45] <Cromaglious_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScB6Wd4r9Jc here it is
[00:25:12] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[00:28:42] <Cromaglious_> 2 of those setup 180degrees apart. each one has a rope clamp of it... as it raises and feeds the filament, more resistence it meats, the more pressure it applies
[00:29:00] <XXCoder> meats lol
[00:29:30] <Cromaglious_> heh..
[00:29:34] <Cromaglious_> meets
[00:30:21] <XXCoder> so basically one side is pushing while other one is repositioning to push
[00:30:38] <Cromaglious_> yep.. can you receive dcc?
[00:31:06] <XXCoder> guess so but why? if its picture just use picpaste
[00:31:30] <XXCoder> I got dialog but its not downloading
[00:33:32] <Cromaglious_> trying again
[00:34:17] <XXCoder> try again
[00:35:31] <Cromaglious_> http://www.picpaste.com/filamentClampDrive-1CUWDQmd.png
[00:35:52] <XXCoder> ah 2 of em in linear arrgment
[00:35:59] <XXCoder> I guess 180 degree offset
[00:36:29] <Cromaglious_> could do 3 to get dwell overlap
[00:37:14] <Cromaglious_> probably best to do 3
[00:37:34] <XXCoder> it'll have to be done all with single motor
[00:37:34] <Cromaglious_> then you get 30 degrees at each end
[00:38:22] <Cromaglious_> single motor with the output shaft with 2 or 3 gears. you could have a reduction train before the final gears
[00:40:07] <Cromaglious_> could have sliding pilot tubes to keep filament in line
[00:41:19] <Cromaglious_> or have the cam be 1/2 the width of the filament and it comes into the side of the tube
[00:43:44] <Cromaglious_> the cams could be steel and everything else abs
[01:26:20] <Cromaglious_> ugh.. had to reboot the attic router
[01:27:28] <tiwake> remotely reboot it?
[01:28:17] <XXCoder> nope and he owns 10 floor building
[01:28:21] <XXCoder> so its long way up
[01:32:45] <Cromaglious_> really need to put a esp8266 up there to cycle the power...
[01:33:26] <XXCoder> I recall one guy having router issue
[01:33:35] <XXCoder> so guy added module that pings offsite server
[01:33:45] <XXCoder> if it can't, it disconnects router and reconnects
[01:33:48] <XXCoder> (power
[02:30:52] <Deejay> moin
[05:37:17] <jthornton> morning
[05:58:57] <_methods> morning
[05:59:36] <_methods> how goes the slab
[06:00:26] <jthornton> rain rain rain and more rain
[06:00:43] <_methods> wish some of that would come my way
[06:01:08] <_methods> looks like it's supposed to hit us mon and tue
[06:02:53] <XXCoder> looks like its sun all way to wed here, though strangely temps is lower at 70s.
[06:02:58] <XXCoder> today it was 97
[06:08:23] <jthornton> chance of T-storms everyday for the next 10 days here
[06:09:14] <XXCoder> man lower temps really is strange
[06:09:22] <XXCoder> normally aug is month of hell here.
[06:12:42] <jthornton> temps are normal here 75-95 for this time of year but the rain is not normal
[06:13:25] <XXCoder> here used to have rains in least few times a month in summers
[06:13:28] <XXCoder> now its rare
[06:13:45] <XXCoder> biome here is supposely rainforest
[07:24:50] <Roguish> JT. hey you gave me this link http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint17.3.txt
[07:25:16] <Roguish> silly me, but what is the starting distro? mint 17.3?? 32 or 64 bit?
[07:25:56] <Roguish> jthorton
[07:26:13] <jthornton> you forgot the n
[07:26:20] <jthornton> so my screen didn't blink
[07:26:36] <jthornton> I use 32bit
[07:26:52] <jthornton> but I guess 64 might work
[07:30:15] <Roguish> sorry about the spelling. very early here.
[07:30:31] <Roguish> so it should be 32 bit Mint 17.3 ???
[07:31:21] <jthornton> that's what I use
[07:31:29] <Roguish> cool. thanks.
[07:31:36] <jthornton> does your tab complete not work?
[07:32:01] <jthornton> type in a few letters like Rog and press tab to get Roguish
[07:32:07] <Roguish> newver really use it
[07:32:13] <jthornton> ah ok
[07:32:27] <jthornton> it is very early out there
[08:09:24] * Tom_itx gives jthornton an ark
[08:10:04] * jthornton needs a giant umbrella lol
[08:14:58] <Tom_itx> good thing you've got plenty of inside projects
[08:16:10] <jthornton> lol yea that is for sure
[08:16:32] <archivist> building sump pumps :)
[08:16:55] <jthornton> no sumps to pump here
[08:17:16] <jthornton> putting in drain tiles for sure is a new obsession
[08:17:53] <Tom_itx> look at the bright side... at least it lets you see where the drainage is or needs to be ahead of time
[08:18:04] <jthornton> when I started that project I thought by march I'd have a building... august is here and no building
[08:18:43] <jthornton> oh yea I have had a drainage education for sure
[08:42:39] <jthornton> NameError: name 'elf' is not defined
[08:42:51] <jthornton> I think it should know what I meant to type lol
[09:55:07] <pink_vampire> someone here?
[10:01:43] <Duc> yes
[10:05:52] <JT-Shop> I wonder where I put my spare probe tip???
[10:12:37] <Duc> that could take awhile to find
[10:49:49] * JT-Shop understands more about the probe than before and knows whoever put it together was a slacker
[10:52:20] <Duc> I would like to have a sturn talk with the person who came up with tapered motor shafts
[10:55:58] <archivist> tapers are good
[10:56:38] <archivist> JT-Shop, what was wrong with it
[11:00:11] <JT-Shop> the contacts were pressed into a plastic part but not all to the same depth and none to the shoulder lol so the shaft was not true by a yard or so
[11:00:54] <JT-Shop> now that the contacts are pressed to the shoulder the shaft is true and very little was needed to 0 the ruby
[11:01:29] <Duc> archivist: yea but on this app a straight shank with a keyway would have been fine. but it has a taper and a keyway
[11:02:01] <JT-Shop> archivist: it's not your typical rod and ball design
[11:02:25] <archivist> I find pulley clearance makes for imbalance, which taper mount is better
[11:02:59] <archivist> 3 rods and and 6 balls?
[11:04:24] <JT-Shop> no rods, 3 cylinders with ball ends and 3 V grooves
[11:04:25] <archivist> I wish I knew how to take a Renishaw TP2 probe apart correctly
[11:04:37] <JT-Shop> I should have photographed it
[11:05:59] <Duc> not sure you can buy steppers or servos with a taper anymore minus custom order
[11:06:00] <archivist> I have a couple of probes and one was very high resistance and noisy, took the rubber cover off and cleaned as best I could through the front hole
[11:26:19] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-06.jpg
[11:26:31] <JT-Shop> back stop almost done
[11:34:34] <dioz> press brake?
[11:34:52] <JT-Shop> aye
[11:35:49] <dioz> what do you fab?
[11:37:15] <JT-Shop> this is for a carrier for a Can Am Spyder
[11:38:30] <dioz> is it mechanical or hydraulik?
[11:39:30] <JT-Shop> hydraulic H frame press, press brake fits inside
[11:39:39] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/old-press-brake.jpg
[11:39:59] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2046.JPG
[11:40:04] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2047.JPG
[11:40:36] <dioz> i'm a tin banger by trade
[11:40:49] <dioz> trying to convince the GF i need a few roper whitneyys
[11:40:52] <JT-Shop> a duct wacker?
[11:41:23] <dioz> hah yah. did IT for 13 years, burnt out, now i do commercial duct install
[11:41:38] <dioz> fuckin... i have SO MUCH free sheet metal
[11:41:40] <JT-Shop> you guys are noisy lol
[11:42:14] <dioz> so i'm trying to design a 4 x 4 x-y table so i can plasma some designs and such
[11:42:56] <dioz> JT-Shop: yah. almost all our duct is knocked-down so when we take it on site it's about half a day of literally hitting pieces of sheet metal with a hammer
[11:43:01] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/plasma.xhtml
[11:43:03] <dioz> BANG BANG BANG
[11:43:37] <dioz> fuckin... boss man is like "you can have all that"
[11:43:42] <JT-Shop> yea I know what it sounds like, that why electricians call you guys duct wackers
[11:44:00] <dioz> it's like full sections of 5' x 24" x 24"
[11:44:08] <JT-Shop> nice
[11:44:25] <dioz> yah i call electricians sparkies
[11:44:53] <dioz> sparkies, plumbers, sprinkler guys, tin bangs, boarders, drywallers, frames, structural steal guys
[11:45:02] <dioz> masons, roofers
[11:45:41] <dioz> door/window guys
[11:46:03] <dioz> i never see the guys who lay the pad though. or cement the basement. by the time i'm there they're long gone.
[11:47:43] <JT-Shop> I need to figure out how to make more money than I spend lol
[11:48:29] <dioz> JT-Shop: does your plasma table have a water drop?
[11:48:35] <dioz> is you pool full of water?
[11:49:04] <JT-Shop> yea, biggest mistake I made was not making the water table at first
[11:49:25] <JT-Shop> didn't take long to figure out I needed one bad
[11:49:31] <JT-Shop> pool?
[11:49:39] <dioz> does the base of your gantry get hot after a while of the torch running?
[11:50:09] <JT-Shop> nope, torch is too far away
[11:50:39] <JT-Shop> water keeps the sheet cool splashing up from the bottom
[11:50:43] <dioz> what gauge max?
[11:51:07] <dioz> and how does your kerf look in the end?
[11:51:21] <dioz> how well does it cut acute angles
[11:52:32] <JT-Shop> the torch will cut up to 7/8"
[11:52:48] <JT-Shop> severance cap to 1 1/2"
[11:53:03] <JT-Shop> severance is a french word for f..king ugly cut
[11:55:55] <dioz> so how much?
[11:56:02] <dioz> i'll buy it off you
[11:56:07] <JT-Shop> lol
[11:56:25] <dioz> like.. $4k CAD
[11:57:43] <jdh> JT: I have an AB safety relay that needs a tap with a screwdriver every year or so
[11:57:59] <jdh> (from yesterday)
[12:00:14] <JT-Shop> I wonder what's up with them safety relays
[12:00:34] <JT-Shop> can't spend CAD $ in swamp east missouri lol
[12:13:48] <archivist> file the contacts
[12:19:02] <JT-Shop> me?
[12:19:39] <JT-Shop> I doubt you can get them apart
[12:19:54] <JT-Shop> I wonder if a diode would help?
[12:27:23] <dioz> other than precision plasma llc who makes a turnkey and who's the cheapest?
[12:28:38] <archivist> make it yourself is cheapest
[12:31:40] <witnit> I need one of these, is this something Is this a common item or something I would have to buy exclusively for my drives/amp? http://az343058.vo.msecnd.net/productlargeimages/2353ce1253fe4c7fbb0b06b096f11217.jpg
[12:33:32] <jdh> for your spindle drive?
[12:33:42] <archivist> some stuff has isolation built it, depends
[12:35:11] <witnit> nah, its these digitax drives
[12:35:34] <witnit> I thought I could just make my own cable, but I see they have some box in the middle and Im not sure what all is in it. soooo
[12:35:57] <jdh> isolated 232 <> 485 adapter?
[12:36:02] <archivist> digitax from what mesa card or what
[12:36:12] <witnit> I thought maybe just some sort of inverter with slide switches to flop lines to another mode, which I would do as well, but i dont know anything about it and dont want break things
[12:36:47] <witnit> so, from digitax drive to pc serial so I can program the unit
[12:37:28] <witnit> digitax has a rj45 on it as serial and would go to standard serial port on pc for other end to use the software that comes with
[12:37:30] <jdh> you could probably make something, but a known working device seems advantageous
[12:38:07] <witnit> Well, if the little box is just a couple switches that flop the wires that would be annoying
[12:38:34] <witnit> I suppose I could try to find the mfg of it and see if it has a datasheet for the converter between the plugs
[12:45:10] <witnit> welp this looks like it, apparently is just isolated and rated for 480V3ph or something
[12:45:19] <witnit> https://www.kksystems.com/customproducts
[12:52:14] <witnit> im assuming its just this with isolators right? http://www.bb-elec.com/Images/2wire_rs485_fig2.aspx
[12:53:07] <archivist> rs232 needs conversion to 485
[12:53:12] <witnit> I could probably screw something up if I make my own cable, but maybe thats just what they want me to think.... :P im not sure if its worth that chance
[12:54:10] <witnit> my current knowledge is too tiny to count on I think. I shall suck it up and buy cable I suppose.
[12:55:46] <archivist> RS232 is +12v -12v single wire, 485 is a balanced pair at some other voltage(too lazy to look it up)
[12:56:28] <witnit> im sure its just some $5 item and I could screw on dsub and plug in and be fine but noooo... here I am...
[12:57:19] <jdh> how much is it?
[13:00:17] <jdh> isolated rs-485 adapters seem to be $15-20 on ebay
[13:16:20] <djfriz> xdcc LIST
[13:17:22] <djfriz> LIST
[13:26:21] <djfriz> @xdcc LIST
[13:27:21] <djfriz> @search iso
[13:27:37] <jdh> good luck with that.
[13:27:43] <djfriz> @find iso
[13:28:04] <jdh> google would be more useful
[13:36:28] <witnit> !warez
[13:36:29] <witnit> lol
[13:38:53] <djfriz> !search iso
[13:42:40] <jdh> not easily deterred, is he.
[13:44:19] <Loetmichel_> hihi, the neighbors are nice folk. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16378
[14:30:56] <TurBoss> Hi
[16:25:50] <TurBoss> I finished my gantry square & home config
[16:25:52] <TurBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTwOeklq4Uc
[16:26:00] <TurBoss> I will made a forum post
[16:26:13] <TurBoss> using Master branch
[16:26:28] <TurBoss> Joints
[17:19:57] <CaptHindsight> https://farmbot.io/ $564,461 sold of our $100,000 goal
[17:25:27] <XXCoder> looks like its pretty popular.
[17:25:42] <XXCoder> surpising considering its quite pricy nature
[17:31:20] <CaptHindsight> Familiar Electronics
[17:31:20] <CaptHindsight> FarmBot is powered by a Raspberry Pi 3, Arduino Mega 2560, and RAMPS 1.4 shield.
[17:31:38] <CaptHindsight> but you can use something better if you wish
[17:51:59] <XXCoder> one area broke record last tuesday
[17:52:06] <XXCoder> 127F or 53C
[17:52:27] <XXCoder> blood boils at 130f.
[17:52:56] <Deejay> gn8
[18:08:18] <JT-Shop> TurBoss: cool
[18:08:41] <TurBoss> thank you
[18:09:37] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNLd6A34Vo
[18:13:10] <JT-Shop> last batch of powder coat done... I'm done working for the day :)
[18:23:17] <TurBoss> How I can start a program for a button? halui.program.run?
[18:23:53] <JT-Shop> yup, but you need to do a bit of checking to see if your in the right mode
[18:24:04] <JT-Shop> there is an example on the forum in Hal Examples
[18:24:14] <TurBoss> ok ty
[18:47:59] * JT-Shop listens to Green Onions then goes inside
[18:49:31] <JT-Shop> for the age challenged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOiyaViTvlk
[18:53:43] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[18:53:55] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: what size bolts can bolt on those limit switches?
[18:54:15] <XXCoder> I geuss its m3?
[18:54:26] <JT-Shop> on the steppers?
[18:56:32] <JT-Shop> lol I don't remember...
[18:56:49] <XXCoder> bleh. heh
[18:56:52] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[18:59:07] <TurBoss> can i do a more than 2 AND gate?
[18:59:13] <TurBoss> 2 inputs
[19:05:54] <pcw_home> man logic
[19:06:17] <TurBoss> thx!
[19:06:35] <XXCoder> TurBoss: well theres no limit to how many you can AND together but dunno how it applies to linuxcnc configuration
[19:06:48] <pcw_home> or man lut5 for 5 input but any logic
[19:29:14] * TurBoss goes afk
[20:51:20] <MacGalempsy> Good evening
[20:53:25] <MacGalempsy> Well, today the third computer crapped out. Bad caps...
[21:00:57] <alex4nder> weak
[21:01:02] <XXCoder> its almost always dead caps that break tech
[21:01:15] <XXCoder> (besides serious like exploding battery)
[21:10:15] <Tom_itx> recap it
[21:13:15] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: good idea, I have seen the videos. But, I bought it last week off ebay and fortunately did not leave any feedback yet. So, I applied for a refund...
[21:13:59] <Tom_itx> ahh, well it's not too difficult to recap a MB
[21:14:10] <MacGalempsy> maybe this time I should get something new.
[21:14:25] <MacGalempsy> any recommendations for a mesa 5i25/7i77 combo?
[21:14:28] <Tom_itx> several good ones out are pretty cheap
[21:14:47] <Tom_itx> i have a D252 but there are newer better ones i'm sure
[21:15:48] <Tom_itx> asrock Q1900B-itx, Q1900M-Pro3 are 2 i got to use
[21:16:00] <Tom_itx> pro3 is a mini atx
[21:17:01] <Tom_itx> itx has no pci slot rather pcie iirc
[21:17:10] <Tom_itx> otherwise the same
[21:17:35] <Tom_itx> pro3 is a bit bigger board allowing for the extra slot
[21:17:55] <Tom_itx> there may be better ones out now, i'd ask pcw_home
[21:18:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565
[21:19:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Q1900B-itx&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[21:20:09] <ctjctj> Can somebody point me to instructions on how to upgrade from lucid running linuxcnc 2.5.0 to latest supported OS and LinuxCNC 2.7?
[21:20:20] <Tom_itx> for the 5i25 you'd probably need the atx board for the slot
[21:20:29] <Tom_itx> 6i25 would fit the other one
[21:21:30] <MacGalempsy> the j1900 says it has a pci slot, but the board does not seem to have the slot
[21:21:32] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[21:21:36] <Tom_itx> ctjctj ^^
[21:22:05] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, some probably do
[21:22:16] <Tom_itx> the asrock atx ver does
[21:22:24] <MacGalempsy> ah. ok, it seems there are a few different j1900
[21:22:40] <ctjctj> Tom_itx, is there an equivlant of "do-release-upgrade"?
[21:23:07] <Tom_itx> not sure
[21:23:15] <MacGalempsy> the latency on the last box was like 65000, are those a lot better?
[21:23:30] <Tom_itx> iirc you can't jump from 2.5 to 2.7 without installing 2.6 first
[21:23:34] <Tom_itx> i could be mistaken
[21:23:48] <Tom_itx> i can't remember which ver i went from to it
[21:24:30] <ctjctj> Looks like I can do a linuxcnc upgrade but I don't see away to get to the next OS release. Which would be helpful as 10.04 is EOL and I'm not sure when 12.04 dies.
[21:24:31] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy there may be a page showing latency of some boards somewhere. i'd try to find that
[21:24:54] <Tom_itx> ctjctj i'm still running 10.04 :D
[21:25:01] <MacGalempsy> ok
[21:25:05] <Tom_itx> it would be a new install i'm pretty sure
[21:25:24] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, i'd ask pcw on that for sure
[21:25:26] <ctjctj> Tom_itx, so am I, but I just got it on the network after my first install of linuxcnc today.
[21:25:35] <XXCoder> oops. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/be/12/c9/be12c954dae2cdac9879d11dc65ec388.jpg
[21:26:53] <Tom_itx> ctjctj, also: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[21:27:00] <MacGalempsy> lol. I just cannot seem to win on the dang computer stuff. I got the machine going, got the vise dialled in with the touch probe, was getting to make first vised in cut....and then it failled....
[21:27:05] <ctjctj> Tom_itx, thank you. Linuxcnc 2.7 just installed. Not to bad from a ssh command line to the cnc controller.
[21:27:55] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, recap could be an easy way out
[21:29:20] <Tom_itx> the ones i swapped out weren't an exact fit but electrically the same or better so they stand off the board a bit but nobody knows the difference
[21:29:48] <Tom_itx> just good low esr caps with the same values
[21:30:11] <MacGalempsy> the recap kit was only $11
[21:30:37] <Tom_itx> you found a kit for it?? hah!
[21:30:48] <MacGalempsy> lol. yeah it is a dell optiplex 745
[21:30:51] <XXCoder> Noah need advisors. https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ad_170581836.jpg
[21:30:58] <Tom_itx> i just found the caps i needed from digikey
[21:31:09] <MacGalempsy> apparently bad caps are the most common issue with these.
[21:31:16] <MacGalempsy> I only paid $41
[21:31:29] <Tom_itx> electrolytic caps are usually the first thing to go
[21:32:13] <MacGalempsy> radioshack is closed tomorrow, so it will have to wait until next week... if the seller does not offer free return shipping, I will just recap it...
[21:32:36] <Tom_itx> you trust parts from there??
[21:32:51] <MacGalempsy> many of those ASRock boards seem to be european only...
[21:33:09] <MacGalempsy> other than ordering them only, not sure where else to get them
[21:33:09] <Tom_itx> i have one of each of those i linked
[21:33:25] <Tom_itx> i'm using one for irc here
[21:33:45] <MacGalempsy> only = online
[21:34:06] <Tom_itx> welcome to 2016
[21:35:50] <MacGalempsy> yeah... well, the bummer part is that I throught the cnc was ready to go to work, but now I wont be able to get back to it until the mining trip...
[21:38:15] <Tom_itx> i had mine done then blew out all the mesa boards once.. don't feel bad :)
[21:38:58] <MacGalempsy> uhhhh....
[21:39:41] <MacGalempsy> we live on top of a mountian and the lightning is pretty intense.... the house has a surge protector at the main, but cant help but wondering if a storm took it out.
[21:43:07] <Tom_itx> i've had similar happen that passed thru a surge protector
[21:43:37] <Tom_itx> i'm sure it would have been worse without one
[22:02:09] <Cromaglious_> buddy of mine, put MOV's across all the legs of his panel and to the neutral multiple times. Also with spark gap tubes between the load legs and neutral as well. Went from frying many hundreds of $$$ in electronics every year to $0 for the next 5 years.
[22:02:58] <Cromaglious_> He lived on a ridge, not at the bottom, and not at the top.
[22:09:28] <MacGalempsy> the rest of the equipment in the house seems to remain unfazed.
[22:10:12] <MacGalempsy> of course, I unplugged the rest of the garage computers before leaving. I wonder if the caps issue was enhanced by a lightning hit...
[23:42:12] <tiwake> the more I work on (my) cars the more I want to design my own and start my own car manufacturing company
[23:42:40] <tiwake> ugh
[23:51:19] <tiwake> I wonder how much effort it would take to make the government just barely happy enough to not go after me for selling them
[23:55:21] <XXCoder> tiwake: wait for elio
[23:55:28] <XXCoder> its supposely super repairable
[23:55:37] <tiwake> elio?
[23:56:54] <tiwake> XXCoder: repairable, reliable, and modifiable
[23:57:03] <XXCoder> yep to all
[23:57:24] <XXCoder> probably wont be finally commerically made till late 2016 or 2017
[23:57:45] <tiwake> XXCoder: this thing? https://www.eliomotors.com/
[23:58:07] <XXCoder> yep
[23:58:17] <XXCoder> #16,032
[23:58:17] <tiwake> three wheels?
[23:58:24] <tiwake> bleh
[23:58:24] <XXCoder> drives like 4
[23:58:49] <XXCoder> I actually sat in P4, its very nice
[23:59:27] <tiwake> it looks pretty awful
[23:59:55] <XXCoder> a to b, 84 mpg