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[03:00:40] <Deejay> moin
[04:09:12] <Deejay> re
[05:17:18] <jthornton> morning
[05:23:25] <XXCoder> i'm not alive
[05:37:42] <Loetmichel> *COUGH* *SPIT* maaan i am getting old. Neighbors two stories up (both retired and not that muscular) had bought a refridgerator. 300lbs. delivery to the curb... MAAAAN was that a struggle to get that thing up thru the staircase which was about 10cm wider than the fridge... *still fighting for air*
[05:38:24] <XXCoder> nah but in least youre still alive heh
[05:38:28] <XXCoder> *dang
[05:48:29] <jthornton> as I get older I learned to pace myself
[05:48:44] <jthornton> and as always if your looking down on the grass it is a good day
[05:50:41] <XXCoder> I don't own looking?
[05:51:46] <Loetmichel> jthornton: you mean opposite to pushing up the daisies?
[05:51:56] <XXCoder> or tits up
[05:52:33] <Loetmichel> i sure coughged enough the last few minutes that my wife was concerned... ;)
[05:54:11] <jthornton> yup
[07:19:50] <malcom2073> Who the heck orders a fridge for curb delivery when you're too old/weak to get it to your house yourself?
[07:21:04] <SpeedEvil> wow - 300lb...
[07:21:11] <SpeedEvil> OTOH - yay you
[07:25:39] <Loetmichel> malcom2073: someone who didnt see the "to the curb" in the offer?
[09:42:49] <Polymorphism> I still have a pile of cnc parts
[09:42:54] <Polymorphism> the money doesnt matter anymore
[09:42:57] <Polymorphism> enough time has gone by
[09:42:59] <Polymorphism> its still a shame
[09:43:08] <Polymorphism> perhaps I will try to call george this weekend
[09:46:26] <yasnak> msc is finally giving us 40% off. i feel like we've finally got somewhere in life.
[09:46:33] <malcom2073> I'll say it, but I'll only say it once: I told you so.
[10:04:05] <archivist> Polymorphism, just try harder to rebuild your ballscrew
[10:04:20] <Polymorphism> I have a new one now, paid even more moneuy
[10:04:42] <Polymorphism> I put the build on hold because when I try to tighten up the ballscrew it starts to grind when it gets to a certain point running it back and forth
[10:04:49] <Polymorphism> I suspect the rails arent right
[10:05:00] <Polymorphism> so investigating how to get them correct so the screw will move freely back and forth
[10:05:06] <Polymorphism> this is for the long axis
[10:05:17] <Polymorphism> the shorter axis it will just bolt together the rails are resting on ledges
[10:10:06] <archivist> loosen as much as possible at the tight end, move to that end, then tighten, repeat for loose end(might now be tight, then check/redo till right(or add a shim) or problem identified
[10:25:58] <gregcnc> skunkworks i got an email from someone saying he's given up on Mach, what's going on over there?
[10:28:38] <skunkworks> mach4 never seems to be done to the point that mere mortals can use it.
[10:29:32] <skunkworks> like..
[10:29:34] <skunkworks> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/151214
[10:29:35] <gregcnc> 4 was announced quite a while a ago it seems
[10:29:49] <skunkworks> yes - it has been years and years now
[10:32:34] <skunkworks> it was a ground up re-write (except for the trajectory planner...)
[10:34:48] <gregcnc> oh how involved is ron ginger. I almost made a comment about someones mach conversion on a hobby forum he is on.
[10:35:46] <gregcnc> they had a workshop people paid 3kusd plus to build a cnc lathe and the given axis scale was wrong. then it threads at 2x program
[10:38:11] <skunkworks> he seems still involved. He just did a lathe conversion at the last fest.
[10:38:14] <skunkworks> class
[10:38:17] <skunkworks> i think
[10:39:00] <gregcnc> yeah same workshop
[10:39:59] <roycroft> gregcnc: to quote one of our former presidential candidates, "oops!"
[10:40:18] <Polymorphism> I'll try that
[10:42:07] <gregcnc> Hopefully they can work through the issues a lot of people will be out of luck if they were to go under.
[10:45:20] <archivist> moving to external hardware for all systems seems a cockup
[11:02:15] <FloppyDisk> Polymorphism - sorry to hear about that. I know you worked hard to try to avoid some issues.
[11:02:31] <skunkworks> you can still use the printer port for basic step/direction in mach4
[11:02:35] <skunkworks> but you cannot thread
[11:04:11] <CaptHindsight> some people can't be helped or you can't help some people
[11:04:40] <FloppyDisk> Yeah - and I hate it when it's me... And, when you don't realize it... Ooopsss.
[11:06:40] <gregcnc> has it been 6 months yet?
[11:07:25] <_methods> 6 months?
[11:11:13] <archivist> elebenty months
[11:37:47] <CaptHindsight> typical kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer
[11:38:40] <CaptHindsight> how long does it take to design this? why wait to the last minute to find a resin supplier?
[11:44:59] <archivist> first ever smartphone printer? iirc this was in here before, copy cat
[11:45:35] <CaptHindsight> this is the same one, months later
[11:46:00] <CaptHindsight> looks like their schedule might be slipping
[11:46:46] <archivist> poor things, development is hard
[11:48:21] <archivist> or...have they just found out about the inverse square law and light power :)
[11:48:27] <CaptHindsight> we can write me an app to control my self washing underwear?
[11:48:34] <CaptHindsight> we/who
[11:48:58] <archivist> just eat washing powder
[11:49:13] <jdh> I "supported" a kickstarter recently. real tools, not printers though
[11:49:23] <CaptHindsight> internal and external cleansing action!
[11:51:20] <CaptHindsight> jdh: left handed pliers?
[11:51:45] <jdh> bike tool and torque wrench
[11:51:56] <jdh> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1400728964/t-ratchet-multi-tool-and-ti-torque-travel-torque-e/
[11:52:38] <jdh> though I would prefer a clicker torque to a gauge
[12:17:10] <t12> yeah there is a lack of nice low torque wrenches for bikes
[12:22:23] <CaptHindsight> I had a hard time finding a 1/4" beam torque wrench
[12:23:15] <CaptHindsight> had to settle for
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GearWrench-1-4-in-Drive-Beam-Torque-Wrench-2955D/204622153?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D25T-HandTools%7c&gclid=CJKTuPuRmc4CFQ-maQod1rEOjw&gclsrc=aw.ds
[12:24:12] <CaptHindsight> I use them for setting preloads on transmission and differential bearings
[12:24:41] <CaptHindsight> what's considered critical on a bicycle?
[12:27:10] <SpeedEvil> The wheels are pretty important.
[12:28:08] <CaptHindsight> I also use a breaker bar and spring scale
[12:30:09] <Sync> never really felt the need to torque anything to a specific value on my bike
[12:30:14] <jdh> clamp pressure on carbon parts, bearing preloads, the usual
[12:30:37] <Sync> I set preload by feel, never had something go wrong
[12:30:53] <jdh> I torque carbon, cranks, seatpost binder
[12:31:01] <Sync> but less of an issue now that all my wheel sets use regular deep groove bearings
[12:31:21] <jdh> yep
[12:31:40] <jdh> I do bearings by feel.
[12:31:44] <Sync> but yeah, in the end there is no screw in a bike that actually needs serious torquing
[12:31:59] <jdh> crank bolts
[12:32:16] <jdh> depending on crank. and some seatposts
[12:32:40] <Sync> well, I only have hollow axle ones, so the only screw that is important is the clamping screw
[12:32:43] <Sync> and I do that one by hand
[12:32:54] <CaptHindsight> in a car I don't want to have to pull the case or trans to redo something on a car/truck
[12:33:24] <Sync> sure, but there is not a lot to torque in my transmissions
[12:33:31] <Sync> you shim the play and close the case
[12:34:36] <Sync> non of that crush sleeve bullshit some people have to put up with
[12:34:51] <CaptHindsight> rods, end caps and head bolts
[12:35:13] <CaptHindsight> oh come on, crush sleeves are fun
[12:35:27] <t12> theres specified torques for lots of handlebar related stuff
[12:35:33] <t12> i dont know if it really matters
[12:35:37] <t12> and yeah seat stuff
[12:36:04] <CaptHindsight> or grinding down the OD on a set of bearings to use for adjustment
[12:36:22] <Sync> I never understood why they are designed that way
[12:36:28] <jdh> crushing $300 bars would suck
[12:36:44] <t12> campagnolo hirth joints need real torque wrench but its a large torque
[12:37:37] <Sync> jdh: I only have broken a carbon bar off, never crushed it
[12:38:21] <jdh> yeah... some people have no feel though
[12:38:41] <Sync> well, in the same event I cracked my frame
[12:38:58] <Sync> was distracted, hit the double wrong, landed in the flat, broke my handlebar
[12:39:09] <jdh> mine are mostly Ti
[12:40:48] <Sync> yeah I need to buy a ti frame for my daily
[12:40:51] <jdh> new stem and bars coming tomorrow or monday. I will torque them properly
[12:47:09] <Sync> although I wonder if it makes a difference for the fatigue life
[13:08:27] <CaptHindsight> that's why I stick with steel or aluminum frames
[13:08:53] <CaptHindsight> don't easily break and it's a much harder workout
[13:09:10] <CaptHindsight> 40lb bike vs 15lb
[13:09:32] <CaptHindsight> no skinny tires either
[13:09:48] <CaptHindsight> you might as well ride a scooter otherwise :)
[13:12:13] <CaptHindsight> riding this is a workout
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/61/b6/f861b6fc3d72963a118d3637d00995b4.jpg
[13:14:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.miraclebikes.com/web/userfiles/product/IMG_0509.JPG I'd have to add a basket full of rocks to this to get the same workout :)
[13:15:12] <Frank_15> can someone explain me WHY a panasonic servomotor spec sheet says that for X motor you need 10 amp circuit breaker but a 20 amp contactor?????????????????????
[13:19:16] <CaptHindsight> typo, durability, owns stock in contactors
[13:27:23] <Tom_itx> bicycle 101 this morning?
[14:19:05] <gregcnc> cnc brick layer
https://youtu.be/4YcrO8ONcfY
[14:24:29] <CaptHindsight> what will the bricklayers do for work?
[14:24:44] <CaptHindsight> oh noes!
[14:26:01] <CaptHindsight> they are in Australia so nevermind
[14:27:00] <gregcnc> refill the brick glue in the machine?
[14:29:37] <CaptHindsight> hmm glue vs mortar
[14:32:56] <CaptHindsight> easier to recycle? temporary-ish structures?
[15:44:29] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: they literal lay bricks. like eggs.
[15:45:35] <XXCoder> that machine is cool though
[16:05:50] <TurBoss> i
[16:06:02] <TurBoss> hi*
[16:18:23] <Deejay> gn8
[17:23:00] <andypugh> I spent all night improving the mill/lathe that I don’t use any more. Fixing a number of minor things that haven’t bugged me enough to fix.
[17:23:17] <andypugh> The reason? I intend to sell it.
[17:23:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:23:39] <Tom_itx> same reason we fix our homes all up... just to sell
[17:23:58] <SpeedEvil> Or like bower birds.
[17:24:49] <andypugh> I moved it to a new location and nothing worked. I assumed I had loosened something inside the control box and would have to take it all apart. I unconnected all the plugs on the front (lots and lots of plugs) and the last one was the E-stop loop. Then I put them all back in again and released the e-stop button.
[17:25:10] <TurBoss> what is the axis gui (GUI) F2 button hal signal?
[17:25:19] <TurBoss> loldouble gui
[17:25:34] <andypugh> TurBoss: I am not 100% sure there is one.
[17:25:49] <andypugh> Or, at least, not a loop that you can interfere with.
[17:26:01] <TurBoss> I can power up a led wen i enabe the achine?
[17:26:20] <andypugh> I think it is probably iocontrol.0.machne.is-on
[17:26:27] <TurBoss> th
[17:26:28] <andypugh> Or halui.machine.is-on
[17:26:29] <TurBoss> x
[17:27:14] <andypugh> The second one:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[17:28:39] <andypugh> You could also look at using motion.motion-enabled
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[17:30:36] <andypugh> Afte sorting out the e-stop I then found that the mill spindle worked but not the lathe spindle. I was worried again, concerned about the VFD and the relay that swaps the VFD between the two spindles. Then I eventually realsied that the chuck guard was up. That’s two things that would have been my first guess that became my last guess because I had moved the machine.
[17:32:04] <SpeedEvil> :) It's amazing how fucked up our decisionmaking process can be at times.
[18:02:36] <TurBoss> took me a while xD "net enable motion.motion-enabled => parport.0.pin-09-out"
[18:10:48] <JT-Shop> I had to diagnose a machine today and the final fix was a rap on the safety relay with the butt of a screwdriver lol
[18:15:25] <JT-Shop> time to start the Dakgangjeong
[18:19:33] <cpresser> ~3gal
[18:21:08] <cpresser> oops.. cat input
[18:24:26] <JT-Shop> I miss my shop cat
[18:24:30] <JT-Shop> Woody
[18:26:56] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWWg5shNWR4
[18:37:29] <Frank_15> hows people
[18:37:31] <Frank_15> :D
[18:38:14] <SpeedEvil> Being confused by a sudden influx of cash.
[18:38:25] <SpeedEvil> And having to rethink the whole make vs buy thing.
[18:38:50] <andypugh> That;s easily fixed, give me the confusing cash. I will spend it on booze
[18:40:52] <Frank_15> lol
[18:43:52] <Frank_15> as far as i've gone i can put it in two ways: 1 you make it, you learn, you probably have some fun, 2nd way, you buy it, you use it, you make money. IMOE, with most stuff
[18:46:48] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I thought that was standard operating procedure to rap anything that's broken with the butt of a screwdriver
[18:47:57] <TurBoss> I have this line "net y0home joint.0.home-sw-in <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not" but it doesn't home joint 0 , i'm oing it wrong?
[18:49:04] <andypugh> Y isn’t often joint.0 but it can be if you choose. Can you check that the parport pin is chanign state?
[18:49:09] <The_Ball> I'm loving fusion 360 and LinuxCNC
https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/l9rCT0Q3rp5gFeG
[18:49:32] <TurBoss> yep in hal metter i change
[18:49:34] <TurBoss> s
[18:49:44] <TurBoss> it*
[18:50:22] <andypugh> And you are running a homing sequence, not just jogging into the switch?
[18:50:39] <TurBoss> n i dont have a secuence yet
[18:50:54] <TurBoss> i'm just pressing the switch by hand
[18:51:29] <TurBoss> how i can do the homming sequence?
[18:51:37] <andypugh> Ah, in that case, it will be ignored. The home switch inputs are only considered by the code during a homing move
[18:51:47] <TurBoss> ahhh
[18:52:03] <TurBoss> so the net line is good
[18:52:06] <andypugh> Axis GUI? Then machine-homing-home_axis_X
[18:52:15] <TurBoss> ok
[18:52:19] <TurBoss> yes axis
[18:53:24] <TurBoss> i have machine/homing/home joint0
[18:53:35] <TurBoss> it homes but does'nt move
[18:53:53] <TurBoss> I don't have a sequence
[18:53:58] <andypugh> You need home velocities and positions set up in the INI file
[18:54:10] <TurBoss> ok
[19:02:01] <TurBoss> andypugh: done thank you
[19:02:39] <andypugh> Homing?
[19:03:17] <TurBoss> yep
[19:11:37] <Frank_15> guuuys, maybe someone with experience can reply: i have to make a motor mount, it goes like this, ballscrew, pulley, belt to motor pulley motor on steel mount, but i need to make a mount 90º from the ballscrew axis, what would you recommend, laser cut parts with lots of connections, or send to shear bend a 6mm-- 1/4'' piece of steel
[19:13:03] <Frank_15> Laser cut parts, with joints then welded
[19:14:00] <andypugh> Casting?
[19:14:40] <CaptHindsight> machine from aluminum block
[19:15:12] <andypugh> This is one I made
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#5901893705874414066
[19:15:13] <Frank_15> loooll
[19:15:48] <Frank_15> auch
[19:15:49] <andypugh> This is the PU pattern:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#5901893707536621586
[19:15:51] <Frank_15> thats so cool
[19:15:54] <andypugh> Cost me £25
[19:15:59] <Frank_15> wtf
[19:16:14] <Frank_15> but u have to machine that
[19:16:16] <Frank_15> right?
[19:16:34] <andypugh> Patterns were traditionally made by hand
[19:17:02] <CaptHindsight> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/756/090/581/581090756_733.JPG
[19:17:19] <Frank_15> still my motor is like 4x smaller
[19:17:22] <andypugh> I did machine it, because I could, but I could have built it up from MDF and filler
[19:17:23] <Frank_15> im uploading
[19:17:44] <CaptHindsight> http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/mdflyinc/1_0202.jpg
[19:17:56] <SpeedEvil> you can fairly easily make small patterns by hand, and do limited finishing entirely with handtools
[19:18:03] <SpeedEvil> file/...
[19:18:17] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you are just wanting a mount, and not something like lathe ways
[19:18:51] <CaptHindsight> too flimsy
http://www.mpja.com/images/32432-large.jpg
[19:19:13] <Frank_15> yeah like that but a little bit stiffer
[19:19:30] <Frank_15> capthindsight
[19:19:33] <Frank_15> *
[19:19:50] <SpeedEvil> Just cut it from a nice bit of oak.
[19:20:56] <CaptHindsight> ironwood
[19:21:46] <Frank_15> the yellow thingy
[19:21:46] <Frank_15> http://imgur.com/a/twXBR
[19:21:49] <Frank_15> need steel
[19:22:34] <Frank_15> to weird?
[19:22:43] <CaptHindsight> lost foam casting
[19:22:48] <SpeedEvil> Now delete in your head everything that does not touch another thing - and any shape that is strong enough will work
[19:23:16] <SpeedEvil> For example - is there any reason to make the top not one thickness throughout?
[19:23:23] <SpeedEvil> Rahter than the centre being thicker
[19:23:29] <Frank_15> yes
[19:23:35] <Frank_15> the motor preload to the pulley
[19:23:51] <Frank_15> one plate is attached to the motor, that moves to the otherone
[19:24:46] <Frank_15> my cads are still crappy
[19:28:12] <SpeedEvil> Not the side plate, the top plate - it is two thicknesses - it is thicker in the centre where the motor attaches, and thin at the edges. Is there an actual reason for this, or am I missing your explanation
[19:29:17] <SpeedEvil> If you remake it as one, it would be both stronger, and simpler to cast
[19:31:15] <dioz> why don't people use a single motor and a large X path pully for their X axis?
[19:31:34] <dioz> like on a drafting table with a built in t-square
[19:33:08] <jdh> there is no load on a drafting table
[19:33:31] <jdh> and they aren't used while in motion
[19:34:46] <dioz> obviously i wouldn't be using a drafting table
[19:34:53] <dioz> as the basis for a x-y table
[19:35:14] <dioz> but the concept of a single large pully run by one motor
[19:36:17] <SpeedEvil> There is generally good reason if 'all' machine tools are made one wya
[19:36:42] <jdh> they are just made that way becuase designers don't spend enough time reprap'ing
[19:36:48] <SpeedEvil> hah
[19:37:24] <SpeedEvil> Specifically - if you go from a slide/... driven on two sides to one driven on one, with no bearing or guide on the other side, you now have _much_ higher loads on your slide.
[19:37:40] <Frank_15> speedevil: its 2 separate steel plates, one moves in relationship to the other so you can put the belt and preload the belt
[19:37:49] <SpeedEvil> Frank_15: ah
[19:43:31] <TurBoss> is home what i need for square a gantry using joint?
[19:44:09] <TurBoss> sek have a gantry example
[19:44:45] <dioz> if you run a long X belt you can make a single motor pull/push both sides of the gantry
[19:47:00] <SpeedEvil> The answer to 'why does everyone make things needlessly complex' is because it ends up the cheapest way to do it generally.
[19:47:06] <SpeedEvil> (for a given performance)
[19:47:30] <andypugh> I wonder how much I will get on eBay for my rubbish chinese lathe/mill combo?
[19:49:54] <andypugh> On the minus side, it’s a rubbish Chinese mill/drill. On the plus side it is semi-famous on YouTube
[19:55:18] <roycroft> so it is a world-renowned classic machine
[19:55:37] <andypugh> Partly ture
[20:01:30] <roycroft> so not quite turing complete?
[20:04:34] <andypugh> I am just not entirley type-safe
[20:12:10] <andypugh> Does this link work? Gene reckons not. But then Gene can never make my links work.
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs
[20:12:32] <malcom2073> I see a machine
[20:12:47] <malcom2073> cutting things
[20:12:48] <malcom2073> n stuff
[20:12:50] <malcom2073> define "work"
[20:12:52] <malcom2073> It shows up
[20:12:54] <andypugh> A machine or an album of photos?
[20:13:00] <malcom2073> an album of photos
[20:13:07] <andypugh> Thought so
[20:13:16] <andypugh> It’s him. Again.
[20:13:31] <malcom2073> Tell him to reboot, windows 95 is fairly flaky nowadays
[20:14:34] <andypugh> I doubt he uses that. More likely Ubuntu 10.04
[20:15:03] <andypugh> Which is, to be fair, newer than XP.
[20:15:28] <malcom2073> True.
[20:15:52] <andypugh> (I am now curious to see what will still run on ’95. I think I have an install set somewhere, and a VM system)
[20:16:17] <malcom2073> I installed it on a VM a year or two ago, I remember it being a bit of a hassle to get installed
[20:16:29] <malcom2073> and the fact that you couldn't click to minimize on the taskbar (only click to switch and maximize) unnerved me
[20:16:38] <malcom2073> I forgot that was a 98 feature heh
[20:17:03] <TurBoss> I have a renisaw cyvlone 2 thatruns on windows 95 xDD
[20:17:17] <TurBoss> cycoe*
[20:17:21] <TurBoss> oops
[20:17:26] <TurBoss> cyclone**
[20:39:11] <XXCoder> yay heat :P
[20:44:45] <XXCoder> https://www.eliomotors.com/more-legislative-progress/?utm_campaign=Three+Wheel+Blog
[20:45:04] <XXCoder> yay! once I have mine I can drive to 48 states without any helmet!
[20:45:09] <XXCoder> pity on kida though lol
[20:47:04] <XXCoder> funny though I could get motorcycle license easily with my elio for few remaining states I would need that for autocycle
[21:51:56] <tiwake> last day at work today... in a day or two going to disconnect my server
[21:52:13] <XXCoder> tiwake: you got that job eh
[21:53:07] <tiwake> yeah
[21:53:14] <XXCoder> congats
[21:53:35] <XXCoder> my work have been changed couple weeks ago and I'm still not sure if I like or not like it
[21:53:45] <XXCoder> I have been running $5 million cell
[21:53:54] <tiwake> heh
[21:54:00] <XXCoder> only as operator as they dont trust me to do setup and stuff
[21:54:07] <XXCoder> so its postive and negative
[21:54:15] <tiwake> today was my last day at my temp job
[21:54:34] <tiwake> wait what?
[21:54:47] <tiwake> thats kinda insulting
[21:54:55] <tiwake> lol
[21:55:01] <XXCoder> yeah thats why its half half
[21:55:09] <XXCoder> hell they trust me to run it at all
[21:57:57] <tiwake> I'm a bit iffy on their lathes and mills... no digital readouts. DROs really speed things up a lot
[22:01:22] <tiwake> planning on leaving on tuesday morning
[22:01:37] <tiwake> lots of packing to do
[22:01:40] <XXCoder> dont have family and stuff to slow move?
[22:03:38] <XXCoder> interesting
https://youtu.be/VVV4xeWBIxE
[22:04:59] <XXCoder> he finally entered iron age
[22:08:50] <tiwake> thats a lot of effort
[22:08:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:09:05] <tiwake> you can buy effort from the electrical outlet
[22:09:12] <tiwake> literally dirt cheap
[22:09:21] <XXCoder> nah hes limited to stone age tech
[22:09:40] <XXCoder> though I wonder if he will keep going into iron age with forges and such
[22:11:41] <tiwake> only limited by choice
[22:11:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:11:49] <tiwake> heh
[22:11:51] <XXCoder> but heck he did a lot
[22:12:04] <XXCoder> you should see him build a home with amazing roog
[22:12:05] <XXCoder> roof
[22:12:08] <tiwake> a lot for what? to make a video?
[22:12:20] <XXCoder> hes challenging himself and make videos
[22:12:46] <tiwake> if thats what he likes to do I guess
[22:13:17] <XXCoder> hobbies can be worse
[22:13:21] <XXCoder> like stamps lol
[22:13:38] <tiwake> should work, make real products that are useful for today
[22:14:21] <XXCoder> on tangent
[22:14:26] <XXCoder> you heard of farmbot?
[22:14:41] <tiwake> oh yeah, somebody linked it to me in a different channel
[22:14:47] <tiwake> I think I linked it in here
[22:15:16] <XXCoder> yeah? cool
[22:15:25] <XXCoder> I'm still considering it for future heh
[22:15:32] <tiwake> enh
[22:15:38] <XXCoder> I want farm but I'm way too lazy to do it
[22:15:44] <XXCoder> so.. yeah
[22:16:07] <tiwake> might be nice for certain things, but its just so much cheaper and more effecient to just go to the store and buy it
[22:16:17] <XXCoder> not for some stuff
[22:16:29] <tiwake> for some things, yeah
[22:16:37] <XXCoder> tomoto for one, I want to grow those in hothouse during out of season
[22:17:47] <tiwake> off seasons is a good reason
[22:19:39] <tiwake> the only thing that I'd be concerned about is not being able to season my food
[22:19:52] <tiwake> so I might raise lots of garlic
[22:20:03] <tiwake> its also one of the easiest things to grow
[22:20:24] <tiwake> but that also means I don't need a farmbot... lol
[22:20:39] <XXCoder> get kale
[22:20:51] <XXCoder> its pretty tough plant but damn tasty
[22:20:58] <tiwake> ginger root might be fun
[22:22:36] <tiwake> hmm, looks like texas would be a decent place to grow it
[22:22:52] <XXCoder> or hothouse simulating texas
[22:26:36] <XXCoder> tiwake: whats interesting is that if add solar it runs itself
[22:26:45] <XXCoder> only need water input
[22:33:04] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsl8GveyDo0 tiwake
[22:41:34] <XXCoder> think its doable? heh
[22:41:54] <XXCoder> all I need to do is buy few stuff, fix my router so its functional with cutting alum
[22:51:17] <Jymmm> $3900 ?!
[22:52:12] <XXCoder> yeah kit price is ricious
[22:52:24] <SpeedEvil> Lots of extrusion
[22:52:32] <SpeedEvil> for those precisions, wood would work just fine
[22:53:05] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: I would use extrusion where slightly precise control is needed, meaning rails, Y and Z rails
[23:02:00] <Jymmm> For a Garden, I'd use SS cables
[23:03:03] <Jymmm> I think 65ft trees should be enough of an anchor =)
[23:03:22] <XXCoder> Jymmm: would it be rigid enough for couple taks, like pushing though soil tp plant, and pushing weeds in soil?
[23:04:01] <Jymmm> I guess that would depend on the weight of the "head"
[23:05:05] <Jymmm> I have half a scooter that I'd like to turn into a robot. It's rated for like 350 lbs
[23:05:43] <Jymmm> maybe 40 lbs
[23:06:14] <Jymmm> 400 lbs, so I could add a flame thrower aka weed control =)
[23:06:25] <XXCoder> nah use lasers
[23:06:33] <XXCoder> lase then push remains in soil
[23:06:38] <Jymmm> add a shopvac and make it a super rumba =)
[23:07:01] <Jymmm> theres no weeds up here anyway
[23:07:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckJBvl_uT0
[23:11:52] <XXCoder> it was one of good scifi movies
[23:12:02] <XXCoder> anyway point is there robots taking care of plant life lol
[23:26:43] <Cromaglious_> oh that gardening robot... the weeder is finger the disturbs the weed roots
[23:26:58] <Cromaglious_> oh that gardening robot... the weeder is fingers that disturbs the weed roots
[23:27:04] <Cromaglious_> I should read stuff before hitting enter
[23:28:14] <Cromaglious_> you need one for each bed you have....
[23:31:49] <SpeedEvil> Or swappable beds
[23:32:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221828281153?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[23:53:51] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: its 3d printed
[23:54:01] <XXCoder> so its simple to make once you have working 3d peinter
[23:54:29] <Cromaglious_> that's the hard part.... getting a reliably working 3d printer
[23:54:48] <XXCoder> I would get a well known model
[23:54:57] <Cromaglious_> easier to have a hunk of mater and cnc mill it
[23:54:58] <XXCoder> one with known flaws and 3d print fixes first
[23:55:27] <Cromaglious_> I'm looking a Lulz bot 6 with the dual flexi struder
[23:56:24] <Cromaglious_> I have an Airwolf 3d... jams constantly...
[23:58:47] <Cromaglious_> there has to be a better way for feeding filament than the hobbed gear.
