#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-07-27

[00:06:12] <MacGalempsy> hey malcom2073. the problem with the variable speed was not sending the scale.0.out to the spindle power output
[00:06:59] <MacGalempsy> now i'm trimming the rail width on the vise, so I can get the thing chucked in and squared up
[00:08:50] <MacGalempsy> still have an issue when issuing a M08 thru MDI. After doing a m08 then m09, then doing the next m08 produces a communication issue with the MESA card.
[00:09:27] <MacGalempsy> and the only way to recover is to shutdown LCNC and restart it...
[01:00:59] <elmo40> wow. haven't been here since May/2015!
[01:02:28] <tiwake> sad
[01:03:15] <elmo40> I left the cnc world 3 years ago... been on and off from here since then until May.
[01:04:44] <elmo40> now, I am wondering if I can use LinuxCNC as a PLC to control speeds of various conveyors and other product supply equipment. I do recall some form of ladder logic in it.
[01:07:06] <elmo40> Currently they have manual push buttons that start VFDs, one by one. Problem is nothing runs smoothly. Need to always keep an eye on the flow of material in the line to make sure it doesn't bottle neck anywhere causing mayhem. Having a few level/flow sensors and possibly some proxies would give feedback to the PLC to speed up or slow down the appropriate VFD.
[01:08:00] <elmo40> Approximately 15 motors would need to be controlled. If one goes down and doesn't restart in 5 seconds, the whole system must stop.
[01:08:33] <tiwake> elmo40: I kind of want to use linuxCNC to set up a fuel injection system for a car... but donno if I'll ever get around to it
[01:09:45] <elmo40> I think an arduino would better suite that.
[01:14:03] <enleth> elmo40: could work with ladder
[01:17:19] <elmo40> I see a new release. nice. I'll grab it and tinker.
[01:23:52] <archivist> elmo40, classic ladder is included
[02:31:44] <Deejay> moin
[03:45:17] <TurBoss> hi
[04:55:32] <XXCoder> boom
[05:11:31] <jthornton> morning
[05:11:46] <XXCoder> whats up
[05:13:38] <jthornton> just waking up
[05:15:13] <XXCoder> glad my bomb helped
[05:23:04] <jthornton> hmm all my linux backups failed to complete last night
[05:25:59] <jthornton> probably picked the wrong protocol
[05:55:10] <latheguyREDUX> Hey guys/gals
[05:55:55] <latheguyREDUX> Quick question: when I want to use a python script with LinuxCNC, I go to the .ini file, right?
[05:56:29] <latheguyREDUX> Then I have the [PYTHON] section
[05:56:46] <latheguyREDUX> with the following line: TOPLEVEL = /home/robotica/linuxcnc/configs/DenfordStarturn/main.py
[05:57:32] <latheguyREDUX> (given the "main.py" is the target script)
[05:58:22] <latheguyREDUX> why then, does it fail to load but with a "remap.py" file?
[05:59:56] * jthornton know almost nothing about remap
[06:00:16] <XXCoder> I dont know much about that too
[06:01:47] <jthornton> I guess it's time to blow the dust out of the XP box it is shutting down randomly
[06:29:26] <jthornton> looks like my backup failed because of hidden files permision denied
[06:44:21] <latheguy> I'm back. Had to go AFK without notice :P
[06:45:49] <latheguy> has anyone answered my question what I was out?
[06:46:12] <SpeedEvil> no
[06:46:37] <SpeedEvil> no traffic since 250s before you pinged
[06:47:18] <latheguy> thanks for the info
[06:47:50] <latheguy> I can write my code on the remap.py file, but
[06:48:36] <latheguy> I wanted to run some code on loading, so I wrote «MESSAGE("loaded")»
[06:48:47] <latheguy> outside any function def
[06:49:10] <latheguy> When starting up AXIS the message is posted 3 times
[06:49:21] <latheguy> Any idea why that's so?
[06:54:07] <Tom_itx> how can i find a list of devices in linux?
[06:54:12] <Tom_itx> specifically hdd s
[06:56:06] <latheguy> at /media
[06:56:10] <latheguy> maybe
[06:56:28] <jthornton> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-list-scsi-devices-hosts-attributes-lsscsi-command/
[06:58:07] <jthornton> http://www.binarytides.com/linux-commands-hardware-info/
[07:00:11] <mase-tech> hihi
[07:06:30] <Tom_itx> just trying to erase grub so i can use the drive in windows
[07:06:57] <Tom_itx> i think i got it but will test later
[07:13:36] <jthornton> grub prevents you from using a drive in windoze?
[07:13:56] <Tom_itx> yup
[07:14:03] <Tom_itx> well, dos
[07:14:28] <Tom_itx> i went back in linux and hopefully wrote over it now, will test later
[07:23:47] <jthornton> strange I got the buildbot master installed on sneezy but sudo apt-get install linuxcnc failed I had to use the synaptic package manager to install it
[07:26:43] <CaptHindsight> you can haz Grub and windoze loader on the same drive but they need to be installed in the right places and order
[07:27:32] <_methods> Tom_itx: lsblk
[07:27:53] <_methods> and fdisk -l
[07:48:15] <eeriegeek> also dos fdisk has an "undocumented" option /mbr which restores master boot records to the default one
[08:26:49] <Tom_itx> i've used that many times
[08:28:33] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, grub was leftover from a previous linux install
[08:40:16] <Tom_itx> still no boot device detected... dammit!
[08:41:20] <Tom_itx> at least grub is gone now
[08:41:29] <Tom_itx> what a pita
[08:44:00] <Tom_itx> going back to the _original_ dos 6.22 floppies!
[08:45:31] <Tom_itx> nearly forgot how this 'disk shuffle' works
[08:48:08] <Tom_itx> just glad i'm not installing acad or novel netware from them
[08:48:21] <_methods> 30 floppies lol
[08:48:30] <Tom_itx> at least yes
[08:48:52] <Tom_itx> the purpose is to see if a ssd will work on an old legacy pc
[08:49:15] <_methods> hmm
[08:49:35] <Tom_itx> at least the disks are still good :)
[08:50:07] <Tom_itx> seems to be working so far
[08:50:46] <Tom_itx> now to try dos on a newer MB pc
[08:51:25] <Tom_itx> yay! finally works
[08:51:42] <gregcnc> I did a couple CF adapters.
[08:51:52] <gregcnc> which adapter are you using?
[08:52:35] <Tom_itx> man what an ordeal this was. new pc's don't have floppies, dos doesn't come on CD... some drives are SATA, some PATA... what a PITA!
[08:53:06] <Tom_itx> i could have used rucas and freedos but i wanted to see if the original 6.22 would work
[08:53:19] <SpeedEvil> did it?
[08:53:32] <Tom_itx> gregcnc some $1 chinese SATA/PATA adapter
[08:53:37] <Tom_itx> SpeedEvil yes
[08:53:57] <Tom_itx> had to install from the legacy pc with the adapter
[08:54:27] <Tom_itx> from the original floppies, fdisk, format from C to it wouldn't work
[08:55:37] <Tom_itx> now, does anybody know if win7 will dual boot?
[08:55:47] <Tom_itx> like NT, XP etc
[08:56:43] <Tom_itx> i was just glad i didn't have to go clear back to the 3.2 dos disks since the 6.22 was actually an 'upgrade'
[08:59:24] <Tom_itx> i was looking for a pci or pcie to floppy adapter on ebay but really didn't find anything
[08:59:38] <Tom_itx> i guess they don't expect this to ever happen on new pc's
[09:04:26] <JT-Shop> lol ms word crashes about every third time I try and print an envelope
[09:05:24] <Tom_itx> well, it won't close on my win7 install... don't feel bad
[09:05:28] <archivist_herron> open office!
[09:05:58] <JT-Shop> open office doesn't do well for envelopes iirc
[09:06:08] <Tom_itx> what word ver?
[09:06:18] <JT-Shop> 2007
[09:06:25] <Tom_itx> i'm running office 2000 and umm 2013?
[09:06:29] <JT-Shop> I did find a good linux label printer
[09:06:36] <Tom_itx> 7 was kindof an odd one iirc
[09:06:40] <JT-Shop> gLabels
[09:08:27] <Tom_itx> so at least one pc is back to normal for now
[09:08:55] <Tom_itx> all started when the 'backup' hdd in it started going south
[09:19:32] <oussama> Hello, how can i fix this problem "can't find module 'probe_parport' in usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc"
[09:24:14] <archivist_herron> iirc that is something to remove see upgrading notes
[09:25:52] <archivist_herron> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[09:26:33] <archivist_herron> it is this line Make sure your Hal configuration does not have loadrt probe_parport in any .hal file.
[14:25:20] * Loetmichel is just sitting here surrounded by 4 notebooks and one PC, all running the win10 download/upgrade or doing image backup on external disks, so i can write the win7 back immediatly after the win10 upgrade and activation... no need to let that free licenses expire even if i dont use it... getting close to that date ;)
[14:44:44] <yasnak> Anyone know where I could source some simple stainless steel pins? Anywhere that does custom sizes?
[14:53:55] <SpeedEvil> rod tends to be easier to source.
[14:54:01] <SpeedEvil> Cutting it yourself isn't an option?
[14:56:39] <Loetmichel> yasnak: in germnany i would say try www.maedler.de
[14:56:51] <Loetmichel> they have cenering pins in hardened and even in stainless
[14:56:51] <roycroft> enco sell ss pins
[14:56:55] <Loetmichel> ground to size
[14:57:01] <Loetmichel> in america. no idea
[14:57:01] <roycroft> but in stock sizes
[14:57:56] <roycroft> you mean in trumpekistan
[14:58:00] <roycroft> we're changing our name soon
[15:10:24] <yasnak> need 0.03" +0.0005 dia x 0.055" -0.005 length
[15:10:58] <yasnak> trying to find options, really don't want to tie a machine up on this crap and forgot to order a pickoff collet ha
[15:30:43] <Tom_itx> roycroft and our native tongue?
[15:51:11] <roycroft> da
[15:51:29] <_methods> speak 'murrican damnit
[15:51:55] <roycroft> i speak the new 'murrican
[15:55:20] <Tom_itx> S yo tambin
[15:57:19] <CaptHindsight> like so like yeah you know hehe
[15:58:33] <gregcnc> http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/textmessageabbreviations.asp
[15:58:48] <gregcnc> all you need to know in a few years
[15:59:22] <roycroft> i figure since president trump will be serving emperor putin, we'll all be speaking russian before long
[15:59:26] <gregcnc> English (American even) will go the way of cursive
[15:59:42] <CaptHindsight> da da
[16:00:07] <roycroft> and jester boris will still be jester boris
[16:00:15] <gregcnc> russian is hard because the letter are all strange
[16:00:33] <CaptHindsight> they don't write right
[16:00:52] <roycroft> when you drink enough vodka their alphabet the roman alphabet will look as strange as the cyrillic alphabet
[16:01:03] <roycroft> s/their alphabet//
[16:09:13] <yasnak> ^^
[16:09:36] <yasnak> чнг
[16:11:36] <gregcnc> is auto parts store AW46 good enough to use in a machine? Or should i order some DTE 25 or Tellus 46
[16:53:39] <CaptHindsight> Farm and Fleet AW46
[16:55:40] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: whatsit cost at the auto parts store?
[16:56:13] <gregcnc> 13usd/gal
[16:56:32] <gregcnc> hard to find specs on the store brand stuff
[16:56:59] <gregcnc> they are asking for HLP rating and most AW seem to have it
[16:58:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/533737-blains-farm-and-fleet-aw-hydraulic-oil.html 2 gal
[16:58:39] <CaptHindsight> $9/gal
[17:00:27] <CaptHindsight> I use it in the Matsuura
[17:01:03] <gregcnc> huh, I didn't find it on F&F site yesterday thanks!
[17:02:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I had to search twice for it
[17:06:47] <Deejay> gn8
[17:06:47] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/381693872170 are there no small machinists?
[17:57:05] <malcom2073> gregcnc: To be fair, I can't say out of the maybe hundred? machinists I've met in person... many, if any, would fit in a medium shirt
[17:57:13] <malcom2073> Of course... murca bias
[18:03:44] <Polymorphism> lkol
[18:10:34] <CaptHindsight> it's the manually operated and hand powered tool machinists that tend to be on the thin side
[18:10:56] <CaptHindsight> try spinning a hand drill for 8 hours
[18:55:34] <malcom2073> skinny fuckers, with popeye forearms
[19:11:47] <Duc> uh?
[19:12:03] <_methods> poor duc
[19:12:11] <_methods> you joined at wrong time
[19:12:31] <Duc> LOL
[19:17:45] <Duc> anyone use a webcam on linuxcnc
[19:18:41] <malcom2073> I believe Loetmichel does
[19:19:17] <Loetmichel> yes
[19:19:32] <Loetmichel> i dabbled with that a bit
[19:19:46] <Duc> how well did it work
[19:19:59] <Tom_itx> _methods is there a good time?
[19:23:02] <Loetmichel> Duc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
[19:23:15] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKHPsJtZlc
[19:23:28] <Loetmichel> about a second of delay for encoding
[19:23:36] <Loetmichel> thats all that is negative on that
[19:23:49] <Duc> not bad. I just need a camera to look down a scope
[19:23:53] <Loetmichel> and the LinuCNC PC is only a core2 duo at 3ghz
[19:24:20] <Loetmichel> scope?
[19:24:23] <Loetmichel> what for?
[19:24:36] <Duc> techanical challenge to see if I can make a turrent gun
[19:25:02] <d42> will it post hits to twitter :^)
[19:25:08] <Duc> last year I built a 20mm rifle and this year I want to make a computer controlled mount
[19:25:13] <Loetmichel> ah, you mean a weapon scope... i thougth you meant microscope
[19:25:25] <_methods> Tom_itx: probably not lol
[19:25:26] <JT-Shop> is that similar to a Gatling gun
[19:25:53] <Tom_itx> dos boots on an intel D525
[19:25:53] <Duc> nah like the system seen on the "the Jackal"
[19:26:05] <Loetmichel> the jackal was a bit off tho
[19:26:14] <Loetmichel> that mount was wobbling like crazy
[19:26:22] <JT-Shop> das boot, I have that dvd
[19:26:30] <Loetmichel> no way it would have coped with the recoil of that 20mm ;)
[19:26:47] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyXdB_AYiDs
[19:27:11] <Duc> yea so I mine alot stronger the the fake tv one
[19:28:02] <Duc> I purchased two robot joints to a fanuc robot
[19:28:52] <Duc> each one is good for 2800 lbs ft of moment and 80:1 gearing
[19:29:59] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIGODRIVE-P35E013C00-RV-REDUCER-REDUCTION-GEAR-RV-40E-153-S-AXIS-W-SHAFT-NOS-/131117625860?hash=item1e87383204:g:0msAAOxy0bRS~t0q
[20:41:46] <Tom_itx> hah, dos boots on my gigabit quad core MB too
[20:42:07] <malcom2073> heh
[20:42:09] <Tom_itx> not too pracical but it does
[20:42:12] <malcom2073> Guess they didn't change THAT much stuff eh?
[20:42:17] <Tom_itx> from a ssd
[20:42:25] <malcom2073> Fastest Dos Ever
[20:44:03] <Tom_itx> well it does give me more recovery options if ever needed
[20:44:28] <Tom_itx> that was part of this exercise to get legacy working on newer hardware
[20:45:20] <Tom_itx> now to try and figure out how to make an 'installable' dos CD
[20:45:50] <malcom2073> Hmmm
[20:45:57] <malcom2073> Can you chainload off syslinux?
[20:46:13] <Tom_itx> dunno quite what you mean
[20:46:27] <Tom_itx> the issue is only one pc has a floppy
[20:46:37] <malcom2073> Oh heh
[20:46:50] <Tom_itx> new stuff doesn't support em
[20:46:55] <Tom_itx> that i'm aware of
[20:47:56] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1ICebF5MTk
[20:49:00] <malcom2073> skunkworks_: What machine is that?
[20:49:33] <skunkworks_> K&T
[20:50:42] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
[20:54:45] <malcom2073> Wow that's big
[20:55:19] <skunkworks_> it is a nice size :)
[20:55:33] <Tom_itx> do you have the pallet changer?
[20:55:41] <Tom_itx> i presume the control box is gone..
[20:55:55] <Tom_itx> 'control house'
[20:56:16] <skunkworks_> yes - pallets and everything you see there. (minus control - although we ran it with that initally)
[20:56:35] <skunkworks_> all discrete components.
[20:57:10] <skunkworks_> originally had hydraulic servos. 2.5 axis. (x and z shared a servo)
[21:01:16] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=objyMqAHUNU
[21:02:01] <malcom2073> hah wow