#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-07-25

[00:02:50] <XXCoder> interesting
[00:02:57] <t12> translations welcome!
[00:10:01] <CaptHindsight> "Radioactive until Nov 2025, store in safe place until then"
[00:10:12] <t12> i checked
[00:10:13] <t12> no rads
[00:10:23] <CaptHindsight> first thing I'd do
[00:11:18] <t12> i think it has a port for keeping it under vac or nitrogen or something
[00:11:28] <CaptHindsight> need a Cyrillic keyboard to use the google
[00:11:37] <t12> yeah
[00:11:42] <t12> or i can just ask a russian
[00:12:11] <CaptHindsight> I bet there is a keyboard on a website somewhere
[00:12:58] <CaptHindsight> http://russian.typeit.org/ here you go
[00:15:17] <CaptHindsight> сделано = done
[00:15:18] <CaptHindsight> ?
[00:18:14] <t12> dunno
[00:19:28] <CaptHindsight> лулч = ray
[00:19:56] <CaptHindsight> I don't see the letter I or similar on the keyboard
[00:20:04] <CaptHindsight> it's the word above ray
[00:20:08] <CaptHindsight> upper left
[00:20:20] <t12> maybe numeric somehow?
[00:20:21] <t12> or |
[00:20:33] <CaptHindsight> looks similar to BbloA
[00:20:58] <CaptHindsight> oh wait
[00:21:11] <t12> i mean
[00:21:13] <t12> 2 coax in
[00:21:19] <t12> 1 10ghz waveguide out
[00:21:22] <t12> barrel connector
[00:21:26] <t12> assuming amp
[00:21:38] <t12> or pulse generator for radar
[00:21:41] <CaptHindsight> выход = exit
[00:21:44] <t12> might be tx/rx
[00:21:53] <CaptHindsight> so top left is: exit ray
[00:22:30] <t12> the bottom one is uh
[00:23:26] <CaptHindsight> срд = avg
[00:23:29] <tiwake> https://farmbot.io/
[00:23:52] <CaptHindsight> so the average is 5M
[00:24:22] <t12> 'zap imp'
[00:24:27] <t12> lol
[00:24:28] <t12> wait
[00:24:42] <t12> Rec imp
[00:25:16] <CaptHindsight> I'd ask my dad but he's still dead
[00:25:19] <t12> Top field type
[00:27:50] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You never heard of zombieDad or wut?
[00:31:33] <t12> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/DN-ST-92-02246.JPEG dang thats alot of radar
[00:34:37] <t12> found it
[00:35:09] <t12> http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13466.0;attach=354757;image
[00:43:29] <XXCoder> tiwake: yeah saw it, I do want to build it.
[00:45:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: not mine
[00:46:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Umm, err, ok
[00:47:05] <Jymmm> I'm too tired to care =)
[00:47:27] <CaptHindsight> dead tired?
[00:47:44] <Jymmm> with shtgun in hand
[00:47:53] <Jymmm> shotgun*
[00:48:22] <CaptHindsight> oh what was the name of that series?
[00:48:33] <CaptHindsight> Evil Dead
[00:48:34] <Jymmm> has anyoen done any gunsmithing? I was wondering how one rifles a barrel?
[00:48:46] <Jymmm> the undead?
[00:48:51] <CaptHindsight> lathe
[00:49:15] <Jymmm> Walking Dead
[00:49:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: a 30" barrel???
[00:49:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: with what kind of tooling?
[00:52:13] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzx3Qij3piQ
[00:53:12] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/oALJDh43K3I?t=2m56s
[00:55:23] <XXCoder> using a handel, smart
[00:55:57] <XXCoder> interesting method though
[01:05:45] <Jymmm> mandarel huh
[01:06:07] <Jymmm> DIY rifling machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihPFjuxBjPo
[01:06:22] <yasnak> frontier communications must have some really pathetic network admins. florida has been a mess. tomorrow should be fun at work.
[01:06:46] <XXCoder> facebook just broke too. extra fun
[01:06:52] <XXCoder> sites loading but pictures arent
[01:09:00] <XXCoder> rifling = making winding groove inside rifle rod so bullet spins for futher distance correct>?
[01:10:30] <tiwake> XXCoder: no, just to keep it stable, nothing more... too fast and the bullet spins its self apart and too slow does not keep it stable
[01:10:45] <XXCoder> so its strightness thing
[01:11:25] <tiwake> if you are shooting solid copper (or brass) bullets, then you will be able to spin the bullets faster, cause lead is pretty squishy
[01:14:33] <XXCoder> lol https://youtu.be/Qhx7-R3FdOY
[01:15:47] <CaptHindsight> that's one reason why the cheese bullet never took off
[01:16:33] <XXCoder> shame about lack of cheese power
[01:17:19] <CaptHindsight> swiss would fly off uncontrollably
[01:17:41] <CaptHindsight> imbalance due to the holes
[01:18:24] <CaptHindsight> american singles were just in the wrong shape
[01:18:45] <tiwake> XXCoder: lol at the middle 25min mark
[01:18:57] <tiwake> erm
[01:18:59] <tiwake> 26min
[01:21:01] <XXCoder> just boticed, some graves say lugui
[01:23:06] <XXCoder> now few statues (from one game he turns to statue to escape enemies)
[01:23:52] <XXCoder> punchout lol
[01:25:51] <XXCoder> lol pacman, few pacman ghosts and one mario game ghost
[01:30:49] <XXCoder> tiwake: lol ending is funny
[01:31:40] <tiwake> yeah
[01:33:19] <t12> there are special gun barrel spiral broachers
[01:35:12] <tiwake> t12: meh, most commercial manufacturing is either hammerforge or pulling a button through to smoosh the rifling in it
[01:35:39] <tiwake> hammerforge is a bit faster, but button style is more accurate and makes a better barrel
[01:35:54] <tiwake> though both can make really nice barrels
[01:36:36] <tiwake> t12: I toured the lilja manufacturing facilities, that was pretty interesting
[01:37:25] <tiwake> (they make barrels used for competition shooting, very well made barrels)
[01:44:07] <archivist> t12 need to see inside to see what the RF thing is
[01:47:11] <XXCoder> whoa!
[01:47:24] <XXCoder> Ti + Au = 4 times tougher metal than Ti
[01:47:26] <XXCoder> https://www.geeksaresexy.net/2016/07/22/scientists-find-gold-makes-titanium-even-tougher/
[01:48:35] <t12> this seems to be a good barrel summary: http://www.firearmsid.com/feature%20articles/rifledbarrelmanuf/barrelmanufacture.htm
[01:49:53] <tiwake> t12: I've used a gun drill before
[01:50:09] <tiwake> its not a big deal really
[01:50:47] <tiwake> drill long hole with gundrill, maybe use a reamer, pull button through it, lap barrel...
[01:51:23] <tiwake> the button is basically a bullet shaped carbide thing with the grooves and twist rate ground in it
[01:51:47] <t12> lets get into the future
[01:51:55] <t12> e-beam milled gun barrel
[01:52:07] <tiwake> what?
[01:52:11] <t12> (joke)
[01:52:50] <XXCoder> why? go lasers!
[01:53:01] <t12> fs laser pulse machining!
[01:53:13] <tiwake> honestly a gun drill if done half-way decently, if done correctly should be straight and precise enough to just...
[01:53:18] <tiwake> enh w/e
[01:53:21] <XXCoder> bength the steel sky game had laser lathe
[01:53:25] <XXCoder> yeah. lool
[01:54:47] <XXCoder> if you LOOK at it, it says such precision
[01:57:09] <XXCoder> http://selmiak.bplaced.net/games/pc/steelsky/06.png
[01:57:16] <XXCoder> you can see it, though its off.
[01:57:31] <XXCoder> its fairly rare example of machinist equipment in game
[01:58:03] <tiwake> thats a lab, not a shop
[01:58:04] <XXCoder> now I have ran lathes I can see features on it an understand it, though laser lathe is nonexistant lol
[01:58:51] <XXCoder> tiwake: he just makes pipes (plot reason)
[01:59:03] <XXCoder> so such a precise lathe is bit overkill
[02:00:47] <t12> http://vides-eventum.de/Faser-Drehbank/FiberThreadCutting.pdf
[02:00:59] <t12> worlds smallest screw machine?
[02:01:25] <t12> http://www.sandia.gov/mst/technologies/ion-beam.html
[02:10:55] <XXCoder> I wonder what would happen once we get down to .00001" resolution with printers
[02:13:43] <XXCoder> funny scenes in beneth a steel sky. spoilers if youre thinking of oplaying it. https://youtu.be/NIPve5Q0NXs
[03:59:13] <Edoctoor> Good morning
[04:11:41] <Deejay> moin
[04:44:54] <XXCoder> hey morning guys.
[04:50:41] <malcom2073> Mornin
[05:03:44] <malcom2073> Hmm... should I take my trailer to work on the off chance this guy texts me back (after going silent two days ago) about me coming to look at his truck today?
[05:09:02] <XXCoder> if theres room why noty
[05:09:42] <malcom2073> Eh true, it's a bit of a hassle
[05:10:35] <malcom2073> I really wanted to sell my car first before buying a truck, but this one looks pretty good, and is already taken apart so I can probably knock the guy down on price... assuming he actually contacts me back again
[05:11:19] <XXCoder> cool
[05:11:44] <malcom2073> Just what I need, more projects! :-D
[05:11:53] <XXCoder> projects all way down
[05:13:27] <archivist> I have started going back up the projects stack, putting things back together that have been spread about for years
[05:14:13] <malcom2073> I've decided to narrow my focus. The mill and lathe are packed up and in a corner out of the way until I get the car thing done
[05:14:17] <malcom2073> car/truck thing
[05:14:25] <archivist> clocking in clock, together and running, an RF meter tested working one part of case to find
[05:14:35] <XXCoder> archivist: nice
[05:14:53] <XXCoder> also reprorize of deeper project was for now nonexistant project
[05:14:57] <XXCoder> *if
[05:15:28] <archivist> old EIP spectrum analyser two parts found, still hunting for the PCBs
[05:16:16] <archivist> can only do this by never throwing crap away :(
[05:21:33] <jthornton> morning
[05:32:53] <gonzo__> unfortunatly the strat of crap can become so deep that you know you have stuff, bu no hope of ever finding it
[05:32:59] <gonzo__> strata
[05:33:09] <XXCoder> just dont drown in stuff
[05:33:14] <XXCoder> hoarder show
[05:35:51] <gonzo__> hoarders get called 'a Trebus' amongst our group
[05:36:16] <gonzo__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Trebus
[05:37:31] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:44:14] <gonzo__> the old lad had the hosue stacked floor to ceiling with crap, having to use crawlwayd to get through it
[05:44:19] <gonzo__> ways
[05:47:42] <XXCoder> gonzo__: my reference about "don't drown" was to other guy who live in crammed full house. then one of "walls" fell over and he "drowned" under stuff
[05:47:47] <XXCoder> it took days
[05:52:28] <gonzo__> I'm bad, but not that bad!
[05:52:36] <XXCoder> me either, thankfully
[05:56:48] <archivist> gonzo__, at least for books and manuals they are catalogued in boxes with barcodes and a map :)
[05:57:28] <archivist> I remember trebus
[06:00:13] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=448
[06:06:38] <gonzo__> my filing system is roughly based on, how long ago did I last see it, so how far down the piles to start digging
[06:07:46] <gonzo__> now that is worryingly well organised!
[06:08:00] <gonzo__> your nick is well earned
[06:08:32] <XXCoder> nice
[06:11:54] <archivist> trying to actually get through all of the "random stacks" they are random after n years of churning and searching through for a long lost oddity
[06:13:29] <archivist> then later you find something....hmm seen the other half... back churn again, put a Flann microwave attenuator back together
[06:14:34] <archivist> in the middle sort all loose screws nut bolts, as you need when rebuilding something
[06:17:50] <Sync> I usually make the mistake of putting stuff separeated from the screws
[06:18:24] <gonzo__> small stacking boxes that you can bundle it all into, helps
[06:18:50] <archivist> but n parts never fit into boxes
[06:18:52] <gonzo__> I still have little bags of screws etc, that were obviously precious, but buggered if I know what they came out of
[06:19:17] <gonzo__> you have to have lots of box sizes
[06:20:14] <Sync> I usually put screws into small containers, but they end up in other places than the stuff they came from
[06:20:23] <archivist> I do but some IC tubes dont even fit in a bread delivery tray
[06:23:15] <archivist> somesimes something gets parted in the bench pushed to the rear in the crap, I scrape all of the bench crap into a box, about 15 years later rebuilt http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pd+dorman
[06:29:51] <Tom_itx> jthornton, hope you're not planning to pour today
[06:31:38] <XXCoder> too hot eh
[06:31:51] <XXCoder> ugh 80s entire week'
[06:31:57] <XXCoder> preview of hell aug
[06:32:10] <XXCoder> in least where I live at dodged the heat wave
[06:39:25] <jthornton> no form yet
[06:45:39] <XXCoder> I wonder if I can use cheap fountain water pump to use as coolant pump
[06:45:47] <XXCoder> with water
[06:45:56] <XXCoder> with some hoses
[06:46:23] <XXCoder> like this https://www.amazon.com/uxcell%C2%AE-Thread-Nozzle-Flexible-Coolant/dp/B00G9RHJ98/https://www.amazon.com/uxcell%C2%AE-Thread-Nozzle-Flexible-Coolant/dp/B00G9RHJ98/
[06:46:33] <jthornton> anything that will pump will work
[06:47:07] <XXCoder> one issue if I set it to drip, wouldnt pump overheat?
[06:47:20] <jthornton> that's what I have on the lathe and VMC
[06:47:53] <jthornton> if you don't have a filter the smaller nozzles will clog up
[06:51:44] <XXCoder> yeah happened to me many times at work
[06:51:51] <XXCoder> old fadal 88 always clogs
[07:47:23] <monsterblabla> Hi
[07:48:46] <monsterblabla> I search good Linux cam for Linux cnc
[07:49:58] <monsterblabla> Hi
[07:50:26] <monsterblabla> Need help
[07:51:34] <toxx> try heekscad with heekscnc
[07:52:26] <toxx> you find it on github
[07:52:39] <monsterblabla> OK THX
[07:54:29] <monsterblabla> And are there some alternaives
[07:56:52] <archivist> what cam you use also depends on what you are making
[07:57:22] <monsterblabla> I know cam in win is good
[07:57:45] <monsterblabla> I want to work with Linux cnc
[07:58:16] <monsterblabla> It is stupid to use win for g code
[07:58:51] <monsterblabla> So i want everythibg on one machine
[07:59:21] <monsterblabla> For cad i usw freecad
[07:59:41] <monsterblabla> But i Miss a good cam
[08:00:38] <monsterblabla> I will try heek
[08:00:52] <monsterblabla> I hope it is good enough
[09:25:10] <Spida> is it easier to cut foam with a laser or with a hot wire? does this depend on the kind of foam? I assume both are only able to cut straight through the full material thickness (which is all I need)
[09:27:01] <FinboySlick> I don't know anything about it, but I have a feeling that past a certain thickness, laser foam cutting must get tricky.
[09:29:18] <tiwake> anything past a certain thickness is tricky
[09:48:20] <Spida> I have no problem to glue sheets thinner than the "certain thickness" together :-)
[10:10:35] <CaptHindsight> how thick is the foam 1mm, 10mm, 100mm? What chemistry is the foam? Polyurethane, polystyrene?
[10:11:19] <JT-Shop> Epp
[10:14:05] <SpeedEvil> There is also the option of molding it instead in some cases.
[10:14:59] <Spida> CaptHindsight: something like 10-100mm, most likely 10-20mm
[10:15:41] <Spida> CaptHindsight: chemistry is not yet defined, thats why I was asking
[10:16:48] <CaptHindsight> Spida: soft squishy foam, like a seat cushion is polyurethane or polyether
[10:17:22] <CaptHindsight> rigid foam used for packing material is polystyrene
[10:19:49] <CaptHindsight> foam in a can or spray insulation are urethanes
[10:20:28] <gregcnc> just pour in place, not cutting needed
[10:21:24] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/electricalhacks/ I feel better about my basic understanding of NEC
[10:22:08] <CaptHindsight> don't read it! It's full of tradition like a bible.
[10:23:35] <CaptHindsight> as seen in India
[10:24:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.instagram.com/p/BIOf7NYjQoi/?taken-by=electricalhacks this is how often how my used power tool purchases arrive
[10:25:20] <Spida> CaptHindsight: I am thinking of the more sturdier variant as used for iso mats like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Mattress.jpg/450px-Mattress.jpg
[10:28:14] <CaptHindsight> Spida: 100mm z will be difficult for most last cutters since they generally don't have that much clearance in the Z
[10:29:28] <SpeedEvil> Also, waterjet can be used for foams
[10:29:42] <SpeedEvil> bandsaw with a knife too
[10:31:56] <Spida> SpeedEvil: I would be afraid that it will get very hard to get all the water out of the foam.
[10:32:11] <Spida> I heard that soaking, freezing and milling foam was possible, too
[10:32:27] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[10:32:59] <Spida> I plan to use it to pack a microscope, so any leftover humidity would be a showstopper
[10:33:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/CFS_Catalogue__2_Part_Polyurethane_Foam_Liquid_415.html
[10:33:46] <SpeedEvil> Is probably the very easier way
[10:34:06] <CaptHindsight> for a small project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD027tkshLg
[10:34:53] <SpeedEvil> you put the microscope in a bag, then pour enough foam to fill half the enclosing container, add a film for a shear line, and then pour the next half
[10:35:11] <Spida> case to be filled is about 50*40*40cm
[10:36:02] <SpeedEvil> depending on the microscope size, that might be just about dead on for the 2l pack
[10:36:03] <FinboySlick> SpeedEvil: "1kg of liquid foam = 1 cubic foot" sounds wrong on that website.
[10:36:20] <SpeedEvil> meh
[10:36:36] <SpeedEvil> yes, they could have said 1kg=27l.
[10:36:59] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/RnyhkBU1yaw?t=24s Securefoam
[10:37:58] <FinboySlick> SpeedEvil: I didn't mean the units. Seems like a pretty small volume of foam for that much liquid.
[10:38:32] <SpeedEvil> It's pretty strong
[10:40:24] <Spida> I am a bit reluctant to use any liquids even on the packed microscope - it was pretty expensive :-/
[10:41:34] <CaptHindsight> the density in liquid form is near 1, so 1Kg is ~1L, expansion after polymerization is 2-30X
[10:43:03] <SpeedEvil> Spida: you put it in a liquid-proof bag, probably in a layer of bubble-wrap
[10:43:32] <archivist> freeze, mill, freeze dry (vacuum)
[10:44:35] <SpeedEvil> Well, yes. Versus something you can actually do in 10 minutes and move on.
[10:45:16] <gregcnc> how many hundred are we talking here?
[10:45:19] <CaptHindsight> if you cut your finger with the electric knife then it will take more than 10 minutes
[10:46:09] <CaptHindsight> triple bagged microscope and pour-able urethane
[10:47:01] <CaptHindsight> 3 mil (75um) heavy trash bags
[10:48:13] <archivist> for better control, use sheet foam, wire cut, in layers glued together
[10:48:55] <SpeedEvil> A sharp fine-bladed knife works quite well enough
[10:49:00] <SpeedEvil> If doing that
[10:50:11] <CaptHindsight> cast foam Yoda heads, break into smaller pieces, bag microscope, pour Ypda bits into box to fill space
[10:50:34] <CaptHindsight> Tpda/Yoda
[10:50:39] <gregcnc> see we need a 3d foam extruder
[10:50:50] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: actually not
[10:50:59] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: you can directly print a foam
[10:51:24] <CaptHindsight> 3d print Yoda molds, fill with foam
[10:51:56] <SpeedEvil> I mean - 3d print a structure in the form of a foam
[10:52:10] <CaptHindsight> or maybe print really small Yodas like packing peanuts
[10:52:27] <CaptHindsight> Packing Yodas!
[10:52:44] <gregcnc> Saw a 3d clay extruder on yt
[10:53:47] <CaptHindsight> what kid wouldn't want their toy to arrive in a box protected with Packing Yodas?
[10:54:04] <gregcnc> designer packing peanuts should be a thing
[10:54:19] <CaptHindsight> Packing Peeps for easter
[10:55:09] <gregcnc> isn't that what they're for? I mean nobody eats them right?
[10:55:15] <CaptHindsight> I bet Neimans and other high end stores would use them
[10:55:42] <CaptHindsight> you mean they aren't made from urethane?
[10:56:46] <JT-Shop> hmm a kwik switch holder cap has balls in it... I wonder how many went under my desk?
[10:57:03] <archivist> trouble with making Packing Yodas is the tax to the copyright owner of said Yoda
[11:01:14] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/2pHv3dRFYeNM.jpg have t finish the linuxcnc conversion
[11:07:47] <toast-work> ."
[11:09:14] <CaptHindsight> archivist: well since it's now owned by Disney I think the copyright should expire by the year 2456
[11:09:23] <roycroft> as long as the designer packing peanuts are made of corn starch i don't have a problem with them
[11:09:56] <CaptHindsight> rat food
[11:18:05] <JT-Shop> I can get a pack of 100 for $3
[11:19:58] <JT-Shop> looks like it had some gray looking grease of some sort... I wonder what that was
[11:21:14] <JT-Shop> maybe it was a moly grease at one time
[11:28:40] <CaptHindsight> I found this hobby website where they sell all sorts of RC planes, copters, cars etc but no drones
[11:29:15] <gregcnc> that's unusual
[11:36:20] <CaptHindsight> looks like they call them RTF Multicopters http://www.valuehobby.com/multicopters/multicopter-rtf.html
[11:37:19] <CaptHindsight> why is every RC vehicle now called a drone? Who is responsible for this?
[11:37:27] <gregcnc> media
[11:37:28] <CaptHindsight> Can we stone them?
[11:37:43] <CaptHindsight> has to be a biblical punishment
[11:38:26] <gregcnc> sounds reasonable
[11:39:49] <CaptHindsight> smite might not not be enough
[11:43:15] <roycroft> the downside to all this is that it's illegal to shoot down a drone, even if it's flying over your own property illegally
[11:43:20] <Tom_itx> same ppl involved in arduino
[11:48:07] <gregcnc> because all drones are spying on you
[11:49:10] <JT-Shop> easier to just fire a surface to drone missile at it
[11:52:46] <CaptHindsight> T-shirt cannon
[11:53:28] <CaptHindsight> balls of strings that unravel in the air would be perfect
[11:54:05] <JT-Shop> sawdust cannon
[11:54:16] <JT-Shop> heck with it my real cannon with grape shot
[11:55:17] <gregcnc> I imagine that is the entire problem with Amazon drone delivery. Drone hunting will be real and the prize will be a surprise every time.
[11:55:42] <archivist> a broken thing when it hits the deck
[11:58:38] <CaptHindsight> Yoda heads delivered by drones
[11:59:01] <CaptHindsight> packed in foam Yoda heads
[11:59:49] <CaptHindsight> whats terminal velocity for a 1 ft sq box with a 1 lb Yoda head?
[12:00:23] <CaptHindsight> show your work, extra points for a powerpoint presentation
[12:01:26] <Nick001-shop> Cloned my linuxcnc disk to a larger SSD and of course it won't boot. Info I have says to use rescue from the system install disk. I have wheezy 2.7 and I can't find rescue anything on it. Any hints or a link?
[12:02:01] <CaptHindsight> Nick001-shop: depends on how you did it and what the errors are
[12:02:45] <roycroft> gregcnc: that's like saying "because all people who walk down your street are burglers" if i support trespassing laws
[12:03:26] <gregcnc> airplanes are allowed to fly over your house
[12:03:39] <roycroft> if it's my property i should the right to decide who and what can enter/cross over it
[12:03:42] <roycroft> not at low altitude
[12:03:54] <gregcnc> difference?
[12:03:56] <roycroft> an airplane cannot fly 100m over my property
[12:04:12] <roycroft> nor can a drone, legally
[12:04:27] <CaptHindsight> well they can, they just aren't allowed to unless it's an emergency
[12:04:38] <roycroft> but if a drone does i have no legal means of stopping it, even if it endagers my safety
[12:04:49] <roycroft> endangers
[12:05:22] <gregcnc> how do you determine danger level of toy aircraft?
[12:05:36] <CaptHindsight> I'm sure the FAA will come up with rules that favor profit
[12:05:42] <roycroft> they did
[12:05:49] <roycroft> they said drones must be registered
[12:06:05] <roycroft> drones are not permitted to fly <400 feet above private property
[12:06:22] <roycroft> but if a drone illegally flies too low the property owner can do nothing but file a complaint
[12:06:34] <gregcnc> same as with full scale
[12:06:38] <gregcnc> no problem there
[12:06:45] <roycroft> and i'm sure that the amazon drones will get an exception
[12:07:00] <roycroft> yes, but full scale aircraft do not fly that low
[12:07:10] <roycroft> drones almost invariably do
[12:07:13] <gregcnc> so
[12:07:16] <CaptHindsight> what if you shoot down a drone and it kills the girl riding her bike across the block?
[12:07:41] <roycroft> what if the drone flies over your property and kills your daughter?
[12:07:58] <CaptHindsight> is the fault of the drone operator? the shooter? the girl? all the above?
[12:08:00] <gregcnc> what if an airliner crashes into your hosue
[12:08:16] <CaptHindsight> did you shoot at the airliner?
[12:08:25] <roycroft> your attempt to conflate full scale aircraft with drones is beyond insulting and ridiculous
[12:08:28] <gregcnc> after I determined it was a threat
[12:08:46] <roycroft> there have been countless reports of nuisance drones
[12:08:50] <roycroft> and there will continue to be
[12:08:57] <gregcnc> what's so dangerous about a toy aircraft?
[12:08:59] <roycroft> orders of magnitude more nuisance drones
[12:09:05] <Tom_itx> some drones are the size of full size aircraft
[12:09:21] <CaptHindsight> the registration list should be open to the public
[12:09:21] <roycroft> the larger drones are subject to completely different regulations
[12:09:26] <gregcnc> it is
[12:09:30] <roycroft> the registraiton list *is* open to the public
[12:09:34] <roycroft> registration
[12:09:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rottweil.fwrw.de/adagdesign/BilderFlugzeug/Colomban%20MC10/Colomban%20MC10%20Cri%20Cri%20020.jpg
[12:09:47] <roycroft> anyone who flies a drone is now required to register it
[12:09:52] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: over 250g
[12:10:00] <gregcnc> pilots are registered not the drone
[12:10:01] <CaptHindsight> said drones is lurking outside bathroom window, serial number is detected and drone operator is beaten senseless
[12:10:18] <CaptHindsight> ahh there's the problem
[12:10:18] <SpeedEvil> Can pack a shit-ton of stuff into 250g these day
[12:10:51] <CaptHindsight> drones need serial numbers visible from <400 fett
[12:10:53] <roycroft> the beating of the drone operator is an illegal assault and should be prosecuted as such
[12:11:00] <CaptHindsight> feet even
[12:11:06] <gregcnc> so much like gun registration anyone willfully breaking drone law simply won't register
[12:11:11] <CaptHindsight> there should be an exception
[12:11:33] <_methods> drone on drone violence
[12:11:40] <roycroft> if i decide to put up netting to stop/disable a drone flying over my property that is now illegal
[12:11:46] <CaptHindsight> anti-drone drone
[12:12:01] <gregcnc> move to a cave
[12:12:28] <roycroft> i wonder if i am growing hops, which require a trellis 20' tall, that could be considered an illegal anti-drone mechanism
[12:12:34] <gregcnc> i saw a sub terranian house on listing once. If it was closer i would have gone to look at it
[12:14:53] <CaptHindsight> you have the right to buy and own a gun since that is profit for the gun makers
[12:15:18] <roycroft> and because the entire part of our constitution that has any meaning is the 2nd amendment
[12:15:19] <CaptHindsight> you don't have the right to use it on a drone since who makes money on that except for the drone makers
[12:15:30] <roycroft> the rest can and is regularly trashed at will
[12:15:46] <CaptHindsight> so what needs to happen is the drone makers need to lobby to give gun owners the right to shoot them down
[12:15:59] <CaptHindsight> so everybody win$
[12:16:12] <roycroft> i can see the national drone association battling the national rifle association over this
[12:16:30] <roycroft> in the end we'll have drones that can shoot back
[12:16:35] <CaptHindsight> they should work together
[12:16:40] <_methods> we can only hope
[12:16:43] <CaptHindsight> even more profit
[12:16:46] <roycroft> because the only thing that can stop a bad drone with a gun is a good drone with a gun
[12:16:55] <_methods> or tactical nuke
[12:16:58] <CaptHindsight> it's all that matters to who we elect
[12:17:11] <roycroft> whom we elect does not matter
[12:17:18] <CaptHindsight> population control
[12:17:19] <roycroft> who counts the votes is what matters
[12:17:43] <CaptHindsight> we elected the people that count the votes
[12:18:16] <CaptHindsight> an electronic voting machines are totally secure and accurate :)
[12:19:04] <roycroft> yes, electronic voting machines accurately report what they're programmed to report
[12:19:20] <CaptHindsight> just as designed
[12:19:46] <roycroft> in the uk people go to the polls and put an x on a piece of paper
[12:19:58] <roycroft> and the votes there are counted very quickly
[12:20:04] <CaptHindsight> I met with Diebold back in 98-99
[12:20:26] <CaptHindsight> they didn't like my open source PC ideas for the machines
[12:20:33] <CaptHindsight> wonder why
[12:20:44] <gregcnc> yeah because them anyone could rig the outcome
[12:20:49] <roycroft> when we became the first state in the nation to implement vote only by mail i was skeptical
[12:20:56] <gregcnc> they don't want that
[12:21:13] <CaptHindsight> vote via facebook
[12:21:20] <roycroft> but after reports of electronic voting machine fraud becamse more and more common i decided i was very happy with our system, because it has a complete audit trail
[12:21:32] <roycroft> all the electronic voting machines were made obsolete
[12:21:44] <TMA> roycroft: how you (=your state) implement anonymity of the votes?
[12:22:01] <roycroft> there's an inner sealed envelope containing the actual ballot
[12:22:13] <roycroft> that gets put in an outer envelope that the voter signs
[12:22:22] <CaptHindsight> votes are written on flash paper and burned immediately after counting :)
[12:22:54] <roycroft> the inner envelopes are separated from the outer envelopes at the county election board offices, which are monitored by members of all the major parties involved in the election
[12:23:11] <roycroft> and btw
[12:23:12] <CaptHindsight> plus it depends if you are white or black and what party you favor
[12:23:27] <CaptHindsight> just to be fair
[12:24:31] <CaptHindsight> not enough people over 35-40 care so not much will be done for the next decade at least
[12:24:39] <roycroft> we had a case of vote fraud here a few years ago
[12:24:51] <roycroft> in a county up by portland an election official was caught altering ballots
[12:25:11] <gregcnc> are the results significantly different after eliminating electronic voting?
[12:25:14] <roycroft> she was taking ballots that were not marked for a minor office, iirc it was a circuit court judgeship, and marking them for the republican candidate
[12:25:24] <roycroft> no
[12:25:35] <roycroft> but we've never had much trouble with vote fraud here
[12:25:58] <gregcnc> we just buy votes here
[12:26:01] <roycroft> nor is it really much of a problem nation wide these days
[12:26:08] <CaptHindsight> several other more democratic countries have their voting systems worked out
[12:26:22] <CaptHindsight> we can to if we wanted
[12:26:29] <roycroft> the irony is that it's *always* republicans who complain about vote fraud and want to strengthen voter id (voter supporession) laws
[12:26:49] <roycroft> and almost invariably all cases of acutal voter fraud are committed by republicans
[12:26:50] <CaptHindsight> more propaganda
[12:26:53] <CaptHindsight> and it works
[12:27:20] <roycroft> i hate propoganda
[12:27:59] <roycroft> i think it should be illegal for politicians to lie while campainging
[12:28:01] <CaptHindsight> well you are certainly surrounded by it
[12:28:05] <roycroft> that would serve multiple purposes
[12:28:21] <roycroft> 1. it would make it a lot easier to choose the candidate who truly represents one's interests
[12:28:36] <roycroft> and (perhaps more importantly) 2. it would cut down the rhetoric by about 98%
[12:28:41] <gregcnc> do honest people run for office?
[12:28:44] <CaptHindsight> i want bags of money to fall out of the sky for everyone here
[12:28:51] <roycroft> for some offices, yes
[12:28:56] <CaptHindsight> just not on any heads
[12:28:59] <roycroft> but i've been saying this for years
[12:29:17] <TMA> roycroft: lying is the modus operandi of the politicians -- you cannot take the tools of the trade from them
[12:29:18] <roycroft> the problem with our presidency is that we're at a point in our history where anyone qualified to be president is too smart to run
[12:29:43] <gregcnc> peak democracy
[12:31:10] <CaptHindsight> what do you do with 100 million pretty dumb people that have been under the influence of propaganda since kindergarden?
[12:31:49] <CaptHindsight> logic and facts don't matter to them, mostly just popular opinion
[12:31:50] <roycroft> drugs
[12:32:05] <roycroft> either more or less
[12:32:10] <roycroft> depending on how many they take now
[12:32:44] <roycroft> but seriously, i have a lot of optimism and faith, both of which were waning for a while
[12:33:02] <roycroft> the millennials seem to be more seekers of the truth than the gen-x folks and the later boomers
[12:33:13] <roycroft> and they're certainly less tribal
[12:33:24] <CaptHindsight> what happens to people between 25 and 40 that makes them lose hope for any change for the better?
[12:33:54] <CaptHindsight> hope is the wrong word
[12:33:59] <roycroft> they become aware that the system is rigged against them
[12:34:34] <roycroft> but again, there is hope
[12:34:44] <roycroft> this past weekend's wiki leaks offers hope
[12:34:48] <CaptHindsight> they have felt and seen the effects more so then the few recent generations in front of them
[12:34:52] <roycroft> it confirmed that the system is rigged
[12:35:02] <roycroft> and that confirmation is a necessary first step towards fixing the problem
[12:35:52] <roycroft> the 180,000 people who signed up for labour in the uk over the past couple weeks is an analagous sign there
[12:36:05] <roycroft> the ouster of corbyn by the party elite has been seen for what it is
[12:36:11] <roycroft> ouster attempt, i should say
[12:36:28] <roycroft> and like him or not, he was democratically elected by the party membership
[12:36:51] <roycroft> and the coup was begun before he was even officially installed as party leader
[12:37:03] <roycroft> it appears the rank and file want him as their leader
[12:37:28] <roycroft> the tory leadership race was a circus of a different sort
[12:38:12] <gregcnc> what's for lunch
[12:39:25] <CaptHindsight> i just had breakfast
[12:39:33] <CaptHindsight> it it lunch time already?
[12:40:18] <gregcnc> lunch then bearings
[12:40:30] <CaptHindsight> what flavor bearings?
[12:40:46] <gregcnc> quadruplex with NBU15
[12:41:23] <CaptHindsight> I need a + and - 15VDC power supply 1A ea
[12:41:54] <CaptHindsight> shipping is going to cost more than the supply
[12:42:23] <gregcnc> i hate that
[12:44:09] <CaptHindsight> I might have 2 12VDC but not sure if they will like the + of one tied to the others - as GND
[12:44:35] <CaptHindsight> think they adjust up to 14.7V or so
[12:45:16] <gregcnc> needs isolated output or something? i know some supply can be series and some not
[12:45:55] <gregcnc> i'm not feeding them
[12:46:52] <CaptHindsight> no isolation required
[12:47:14] <CaptHindsight> I'll wear rubber boots
[12:47:30] <gregcnc> floating ground
[12:48:56] <roycroft> if you stand in a pool of extremely saline water you'll float above ground
[12:49:29] <CaptHindsight> with or without rubber boots?
[12:49:37] <roycroft> that's your choice
[12:49:56] <roycroft> i'm not one to dictate fashion
[12:50:00] <JT-Shop> damn windows computer won't come back on
[12:50:13] <JT-Shop> black screen with a blinking cursor
[12:50:14] <roycroft> congratulations! you've secured your computer!
[12:50:46] <JT-Shop> I just got hammered with rain and had a power blink
[12:51:49] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: is that all the happens after power ON? no other screens, text, etc
[12:52:27] <JT-Shop> no, the motherboard splash screen shows up
[12:53:19] <CaptHindsight> so power supply is probably fine
[12:53:29] <CaptHindsight> drive might be borked
[12:57:50] <CaptHindsight> this might help http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_NTFS_Boot_and_MFT_Repair
[12:58:20] <CaptHindsight> there's a Linux utility but I forget the name
[12:58:35] <JT-Shop> I had to select the boot device from the bios setup and now windoze is up and running
[12:59:04] <CaptHindsight> good!
[12:59:13] <CaptHindsight> heh Testdisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[12:59:32] <CaptHindsight> need a new set of neurons to store proper nouns
[13:08:57] <archivist> hmm does Nick001-shop need that (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk) for his ssd problem
[13:11:52] <CaptHindsight> archivist: not sure how he did his clone
[13:14:37] <archivist> nor me but it may fix it up
[13:31:11] <Nick001-shop> did the clone with Acronis - it did say something about a linux disk not booting and gave some info that I can't find
[13:34:21] <Nick001-shop> I think grub gets screwed up with the disk size changing - just can't find enough useful info. Will try to get the TestDisk
[13:41:28] <FloppyDisk> grub can be a pain in the keester.. At least for unknowing like me...
[13:42:48] <FloppyDisk> There's some edit commands to edit 'where' grub points (ie which mounted drives), like stackoverflow and others. But, it can be troubling.
[13:44:34] <Nick001-shop> But where is the rescue procedure that linux says is on the install system disk
[13:55:38] <CaptHindsight> sorry can't help for a few more hours, bbl
[14:13:00] <Nick001-shop> Does wheezy use ASPL or LILO as the loader?
[14:13:56] <JT-Shop> Nick001-shop: can you put the old drive back in and just copy the user files?
[14:15:13] <Nick001-shop> Where are the user files? I' obviously way behind on linux
[14:15:43] <Nick001-shop> I'm
[14:16:25] <Nick001-shop> This loader info is on the Aconis disk for linux
[14:17:42] <JT-Shop> when you open a file browser it goes to your home directory, copy everything there
[14:17:53] <JT-Shop> then install from scratch
[14:19:34] * JT-Shop looks for some backup software the works with the NAS
[14:19:41] <JT-Shop> and Linux
[14:20:41] <Nick001-shop> I don't think grub is there - that's the 1'st err0r the comes up.
[14:22:03] <archivist> Nick001-shop, you said "it did say something about a linux disk not booting" this needs addressing back at your ssd creation phase
[14:24:08] <archivist> are you using the free trial, is it deliberately not making a bootable ssd
[14:25:12] <Nick001-shop> It's giving info about loader type for linux.
[14:25:48] <Nick001-shop> the cloned linux disk isn't booting on it's own. I can see the SSD with the system DVD in it. I can also go into it and get root.
[14:26:33] <Nick001-shop> Just can't boot the da--ed thing -(
[14:28:36] <archivist> is it the free trial?
[14:36:16] <Nick001-shop> No- Full version
[14:36:51] <t12> http://imgur.com/d7TJAsj
[14:36:53] <t12> yay real tools
[14:40:23] <archivist> shame they updated the badge and not the software
[14:43:25] <Nick001-shop> Terminology is making my nuts. Would I be looking for a boot loader for wheezy?
[14:44:16] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, slight chance of rain today
[14:44:21] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/XU6thj7cQ5c
[14:44:43] <JT-Shop> really, it dumped on me about 2 hours ago
[14:44:53] <FinboySlick> Nick001-shop: Is this using UEFI or plain bios?
[14:45:34] <Tom_itx> might not be done with you yet
[14:45:38] <Nick001-shop> plain bios - used to be a windows computer
[14:45:54] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i thought you had your backup software all set up
[14:46:14] <JT-Shop> I did before I got the NAS
[14:46:20] <FinboySlick> Nick001-shop: Newer windows boxes are UEFI now. Either way. Typical boot loader is grub.
[14:46:36] <Nick001-shop> going to try apt-get to the new drive while I can see it with the system disk
[14:46:39] <JT-Shop> now it seems the NAS can do that very easy so setting that up now to backup every computer on the network
[14:47:51] * Tom_itx feels a nap coming on
[14:48:04] <Nick001-shop> nothing new about this. Have a bunch of 5-7 yr old new ASUS motherboards that use 200 pin memory
[14:48:11] <JT-Shop> I need to get busy on the press brake
[14:48:40] <Tom_itx> building it for a job or just because?
[14:50:48] <JT-Shop> to make carriers for the Spyders
[14:51:04] <Tom_itx> as was the blast cabinet?
[14:51:15] <JT-Shop> yup
[15:08:56] <Nick001-shop> How do I change a volume name in linux, The clone program put a 36 character name on it and apparently Grub won't read it. What is the usual format of volume names in linux?
[15:18:27] <_methods> check it with blkid
[15:42:54] <SpeedEvil> e2label
[15:42:57] <SpeedEvil> possibly
[16:23:37] <Nick001-shop> How do I start linux from a page dump where I can see directories
[16:27:18] <Deejay> gn8
[16:47:30] <enleth> what's the proper term for an automatic clutch that transfers torque from one shaft to the other but not vice versa regardless of direction - as opposed to a clutch that transfers one direction of rotation and freewheels in the other?
[16:50:41] <DaViruz> is that even possible?
[16:51:35] <enleth> A
[16:51:37] <enleth> damn
[16:52:05] <enleth> AFAIR some combination of two clutches of the latter type on a common shaft could do that and this device had a name
[16:52:09] <enleth> but I can't recall it
[16:52:21] <gregcnc> sprague after the company
[16:53:22] <gregcnc> one-way bearing is often used
[16:53:26] <enleth> gregcnc: that's it, thanks
[16:53:37] <enleth> I didn't know the latter term
[16:54:16] <enleth> the problem with googling "one-way clutch" is that most people mean a normal freewheeling clutch by that
[16:55:36] <gregcnc> rereading your question you may be after a non-backdriving clutch
[16:56:19] <gregcnc> if this is for the handwheels
[16:58:03] <enleth> in this case, to couple a servo to a handwheel-operated autotransformer
[16:59:38] <enleth> depending on the servo, I might not want it to be backdriven when the user operates the autotransformer manually
[17:00:13] <gregcnc> but this needs to be bidirectional
[17:01:39] <gregcnc> apparently it's sprag, don't know why sprague sticks in mind
[17:02:08] <enleth> yes, it does, and it might just be overengineering on my par
[17:02:10] <enleth> *part
[17:04:18] <gregcnc> http://www.ringspann.de/en/products/freewheels/irreversible-locks
[17:04:37] <gregcnc> those are big
[17:08:30] <gregcnc> still working on the Zeiss?
[17:17:04] <enleth> yep
[17:44:44] <JT-Shop> how nice I just drilled the hole for the 1/4-20 tap 1/8" off...
[17:45:05] <JT-Shop> not far enough to say oh that's a machining hole
[17:50:28] <Tom_itx> woops
[17:58:15] <enleth> JT-Shop: mill a bigger hole in the proper spot, use a steel threaded insert?
[17:58:44] <enleth> or weld it, not much more to do about it
[17:59:55] <JT-Shop> I hate to weld it then it is too hard to drill... but a threaded insert would save the day
[18:01:45] <enleth> I've never used those threaded repair inserts myself, but seeing Abom use them makes me want to stock up on them
[18:02:04] <enleth> he wouldn't use them on some pretty serious and heavy stuff if they were bad
[18:02:07] <JT-Shop> looks like a 1/2-20 x 1/4-20 will fix a 1/8" error
[18:02:34] <enleth> sounds about right
[18:02:43] <JT-Shop> I'd just make a custom insert and blue loctite it in
[18:03:05] <enleth> the premade ones seem to have some kind of a locking wedge
[18:08:14] * Loetmichel just left Star Treck beyond... oookay... average... i've seeen better ones. :-(
[18:08:27] <Loetmichel> -c
[18:22:41] <KreAture_Zzz> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/a-axis/DSC_1642.JPG
[18:22:43] <KreAture_Zzz> :)
[18:22:47] <KreAture_Zzz> Hollow shaft parts came
[19:55:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop have you ever used unetbootin to make a USB bootable?
[19:59:01] * KreAture_Zzz have
[19:59:10] <KreAture_Zzz> not for a while though
[19:59:37] <Tom_itx> i've used rufus successfully but unetbootin doesn't want to work
[19:59:46] <malcom2073> Yeah, unetbootin is significantly less reliable than rufus
[19:59:50] <Tom_itx> the iso i have to burn isn't compatible with rufus though
[20:00:11] <Tom_itx> may try to make a compatible iso
[20:00:18] <Tom_itx> but getting it bootable is the trick
[20:00:52] <Tom_itx> never really tried to make one from scratch that doesn't boot the native OS
[20:06:09] <KreAture_Zzz> what are you trying to boot ?
[20:06:27] <KreAture_Zzz> I usually just use a disk image writer
[20:06:30] <KreAture_Zzz> like win32imager
[20:06:40] <KreAture_Zzz> most bios will allow them to boot
[20:06:46] <KreAture_Zzz> unless anchient
[20:06:47] <Tom_itx> i wanna make a dos 6.22 usb boot from windows 7
[20:07:02] <Tom_itx> (using win7 as the host to make this happen)
[20:07:10] <KreAture_Zzz> lol
[20:07:12] <KreAture_Zzz> dos
[20:07:18] <KreAture_Zzz> haven't heard that in a while
[20:07:20] <KreAture_Zzz> :)
[20:07:23] <Tom_itx> laugh or help i don't care
[20:07:33] <KreAture_Zzz> blast from the past that is
[20:07:34] <KreAture_Zzz> hmm
[20:07:38] <Tom_itx> it is
[20:07:55] <KreAture_Zzz> I think the freedos stuff is the easiest and most up to date stuff for that
[20:08:07] <Tom_itx> i can do freedos easy
[20:08:10] <Tom_itx> that's not what i want
[20:08:25] <KreAture_Zzz> The point is they have some tools for making the bootable stuff
[20:08:34] <Tom_itx> this is partially just an exercise
[20:08:37] <KreAture_Zzz> atleast they did
[20:08:45] <Tom_itx> i can do that easy
[20:11:24] <Crom> mmmm 6.22... I remember making computers for a tech school... Dos 6.22, win 3.12, 16MB Ram, crappy 120MB IDE drives (We ended up with a 30% failure rate on them)... crappiest computers around, but they were CHEAP!
[20:12:35] <Crom> I think they were P75 boards
[20:20:05] <CaptHindsight> anyone take the EPA 608 universal cert test?
[20:20:22] <Tom_itx> not I
[20:20:33] <Crom> umm 608.. is the car AC test right?
[20:20:42] <CaptHindsight> all AC
[20:20:43] <Crom> 607 is the protored
[20:20:58] <Crom> or is the other way around...
[20:21:12] <CaptHindsight> the 608 may be proctored
[20:21:13] <Crom> I got the unproctored one
[20:22:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.epatest.com/608/qwik608.jsp
[20:22:38] <Crom> hmmm 609 is unprotored is the one I got
[20:23:14] <CaptHindsight> open book
[20:23:37] <CaptHindsight> is the 610 the one with the answers on the back? :)
[20:24:46] <Crom> 608 is Protored
[20:25:47] <Crom> hmm I'll have to find mine... I may have a Type I 608
[20:25:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.epatest.com/609/openbook/
[20:26:45] <Crom> nope 609 mobile Air Conditioning
[20:26:47] <CaptHindsight> I don't wanna have to hire a HVAC tech just to charge a new system
[20:27:28] <Tom_itx> so charge it
[20:28:24] <Tom_itx> i recently found one that used the old freon and went with it because it operates at a lower pressure
[20:28:28] <CaptHindsight> many distis around here won't sell you parts or refrigerant with a cert
[20:28:36] <Tom_itx> yup
[20:28:42] <Tom_itx> i had a friend :)
[20:29:16] <CaptHindsight> I've been meaning to for 20 years
[20:29:32] <Tom_itx> new system was ~1200
[20:29:38] <CaptHindsight> I usually get around it somehow
[20:29:40] <Tom_itx> alot better than calling the tech
[20:29:44] <Crom> R-22 systems require a 609 cert
[20:30:00] <Tom_itx> and don't forget to change the pill in the A coil
[20:30:10] <Tom_itx> they all come with the newer freon pill in em
[20:30:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.epatest.com/R410A/
[20:30:51] <Tom_itx> they're supposed to be coming out with a newer one over R410A that runs lower pressure
[20:31:24] <Crom> Take a look at Duracool... http://www.duracool.com/
[20:32:01] <Crom> I recharge all my 134a crap with duracool
[20:32:01] <Tom_itx> i wonder if i create this with freedos if i can just copy over the boot.sys files
[20:34:04] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_refrigerants
[20:36:14] <CaptHindsight> I use https://www.amazon.com/Interdynamics-AF-3-Arctic-Synthetic-Refrigerant/dp/B004BSCVAO
[20:37:00] <KreAture_Zzz> https://youtu.be/0ochRPYaTlc
[20:37:03] <KreAture_Zzz> lol good one
[20:37:08] <KreAture_Zzz> bait bikes
[20:39:10] <CaptHindsight> exploding versions?
[20:39:51] <CaptHindsight> flys apart while in traffic when peddling over 25mph
[20:53:36] <CaptHindsight> inside of TB6600 stepper driver $14 or as low as $6.50 on ebay https://ibin.co/2pKo0IrvhCrO.jpg
[20:54:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.valuehobby.com/tb6600-controller.html
[20:56:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com/HY-CNC-Single-Axis-TB6600/dp/B00DLZMTNM
[20:57:16] <KreAture_Zzz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIRkRVaBH8o
[20:57:19] <KreAture_Zzz> priceless
[21:20:53] <CaptHindsight> https://www.scribd.com/document/319291815/HY-DIV268N-5A-Stepper-Driver here are the recommended mods to the stepper driver
[21:54:02] <RootB_q_w_t> CaptHindsight
[21:54:05] <RootB_q_w_t> I own those drivers
[21:54:07] <RootB_q_w_t> are they good?
[22:06:09] <CaptHindsight> RootB_q_w_t: with some mods
[22:06:26] <CaptHindsight> otherwise they don't run at full power and tend to miss steps
[22:10:00] <CaptHindsight> RootB_q_w_t: https://ibin.co/2pLBDJfmj3d5.jpg before and after test
[22:10:27] <RootB_q_w_t> shiet
[22:10:28] <RootB_q_w_t> well I got 4
[22:10:39] <RootB_q_w_t> I was going to use them for my CNC, but i got a TinyG instead
[22:10:54] <RootB_q_w_t> maybe I can use those 4 steppers for a bigger machine with a parallel port and LinuxCNC
[22:11:05] <CaptHindsight> error is in microns with 750mm/m feedrate
[22:11:50] <RootB_q_w_t> that sounds better than the non modification test
[22:12:07] <RootB_q_w_t> That's what I'll do, CaptHindsight use it for another CNC machine
[22:12:09] <RootB_q_w_t> a bigger one
[22:12:10] <CaptHindsight> 100um before (4 mils)
[22:12:24] <CaptHindsight> <4um after
[22:13:39] <RootB_q_w_t> I've been thinking on getting a tormarch
[22:13:47] <RootB_q_w_t> to mill aluminium and steel
[22:14:39] <CaptHindsight> deep pockets
[22:14:50] <RootB_q_w_t> Yeah
[22:14:54] <RootB_q_w_t> Im saving up money
[22:14:55] <CaptHindsight> if you can afford it they are nice
[22:15:11] <CaptHindsight> open crate, plug in, make chips
[22:15:15] <RootB_q_w_t> I own a shapeoko that I used to make a PCB
[22:15:22] <RootB_q_w_t> but I haven't been paid..
[22:15:44] <RootB_q_w_t> last time I have friends as middle man
[22:16:01] <RootB_q_w_t> Im thinking he took it to another guy to see if he could do it for cheaper and took my half
[22:16:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/digital-stepper-motor-driver/kl-4042d-digital-bipolar-stepper-motor-driver-32-bit-dsp-based-duplicate 3x the price but
[22:16:42] <CaptHindsight> no mods required
[22:21:12] <RootB_q_w_t> nice
[22:21:45] <RootB_q_w_t> I guess im gonna hang out here more when I start thinking up my machine shop
[22:21:53] <RootB_q_w_t> So i dont get "conned" again by acquitances
[22:28:37] <CaptHindsight> and avoid reprap to avoid scammers
[22:28:52] <RootB_q_w_t> those reprap kits?
[22:28:59] <RootB_q_w_t> Cheap reprap kits are really trashy
[22:29:03] <CaptHindsight> kits and channel
[22:29:21] <RootB_q_w_t> haha you don't like the channel?
[22:29:28] <RootB_q_w_t> It has some nice folks
[22:29:48] <CaptHindsight> hey I'm just giving you a heads up
[22:30:08] <RootB_q_w_t> Well you're right on that, those kit discussion get really tiresome
[22:30:19] <RootB_q_w_t> people trying to make a clunker work new