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[00:13:23] <Crom> ugh... need longer cables JST-XH-4 2.54mm pitch on order so another month before they come in...
[03:56:27] <Deejay> moin
[03:59:56] <TurBoss> hi
[04:50:58] <XXCoder> boot
[05:14:40] <jthornton> morning
[05:15:55] <XXCoder> yo
[05:18:00] <jthornton> laid out the slab last night but I don't like where it is exactly have to move it before the concrete guys get here this morning
[05:24:40] <XXCoder> nice
[05:24:46] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHCuXN2F3I can't miss pool lol
[06:39:24] <jthornton> yea another programming puzzle solved
[06:39:51] <XXCoder> what programming puzzle?
[06:40:35] <jthornton> building comboboxes on the fly
[06:41:24] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20439465/
[06:42:41] <XXCoder> fun
[06:53:58] <gregcnc> this is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZPKHM2V9cA
[06:54:32] <XXCoder> man this week is weird one
[06:54:48] <XXCoder> 2nd shift (shift I'm on) is now seriously understaffed
[06:55:03] <XXCoder> they decided to assign me to the 5 million bucks machine
[06:55:27] <malcom2073> That camera assisted touchoff is slick
[06:55:29] <XXCoder> its quite easy, though I don't do setup or even change settings
[06:56:39] <XXCoder> malcom2073: camera + probing. nice indeed
[06:56:50] <XXCoder> though that GIANT breakable screen...
[06:58:02] <archivist> stupid narrow image
[06:58:19] <XXCoder> the tool ui is bit weird
[06:58:26] <archivist> loons, hold you camera the right way up
[06:58:30] <malcom2073> Yeah it'll be interesting to see how well that sort of thing holds up to a real mfg environment
[06:58:40] <XXCoder> theres far enough screen space to display all but you gonna scroll anyway
[06:58:54] <malcom2073> archivist: In his defense, the focus is the screen, which is narrow and tall :-P
[06:59:09] <archivist> greasy fingers will fsck the screen in no time
[06:59:23] <malcom2073> Should be resistive touch
[07:00:03] <XXCoder> archivist: grease is nothing
[07:00:14] <XXCoder> hands that have handled sliced metal
[07:00:22] <XXCoder> meaning fine nasty metal powder
[07:00:37] <XXCoder> \... which is conductive
[07:00:45] <archivist> and scratchy
[07:01:04] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:01:18] <XXCoder> I HATE handling sliced metal blocks
[07:01:37] <archivist> gloves.... another hate :)
[07:01:53] <malcom2073> I love gloves, unless it's hot outside
[07:02:02] <malcom2073> then my hands sweat and that's bad
[07:02:12] <XXCoder> today was not too bad but HUMID!!!
[07:02:22] <gregcnc> are Datron used on the typical shop floor? they talk about that machine fitting through standard doors so maybe not
[07:02:32] <XXCoder> almost to point where walking while mouth is open is drinking water
[07:02:45] <XXCoder> well not really "almost" but humid as heck.
[07:05:49] <XXCoder> gregcnc: machine itself dont look large.
[07:06:05] <XXCoder> odd considering its GIANT screen.
[07:06:40] <XXCoder> 38,000 rpm!!
[07:06:51] <XXCoder> that puts my crap spindle to shame
[07:07:17] <XXCoder> http://www.datron.com/
[07:07:43] <XXCoder> that screen? when can see whole machine, is just riciouslu large. "please break me" large
[07:10:05] <archivist> I think they are for development places not production
[07:10:33] <XXCoder> yeah considering all of advert menions of its being easy to use
[07:10:45] <XXCoder> no prices anywhere unless I am missing a page
[07:11:43] <malcom2073> "If you have to ask...."
[07:11:53] <archivist> you need give a golden handshake to the salesman
[07:12:05] <XXCoder> I'll just do golden middle finger
[07:21:37] <_methods> nah datron is mainly used for like small scientific prototype shops i believe
[07:21:45] <_methods> i've never seen one in a real shop
[07:22:18] <XXCoder> curious
[07:22:43] <XXCoder> any of you ever used machine that has 2 horzional 4 axis cnc machines, with autoloading "train" and storage system?
[07:23:22] <_methods> what a multi spindle horizontal
[07:23:30] <_methods> or 2 horizontals tied together in a cell
[07:23:36] <XXCoder> oh yes cell
[07:23:44] <XXCoder> could not remember what collection name was
[07:24:02] <_methods> usually a cell when they're linked like that with pallets on conveyor system
[07:24:10] <_methods> how many pallets/tombstones?
[07:24:14] <XXCoder> yeah its machine I have been running.
[07:24:31] <XXCoder> hmm looks like 16 pallets, no idea what tombstones is
[07:24:42] <_methods> tombstones are attached to the pallets
[07:24:50] <XXCoder> ah the big block
[07:24:50] <_methods> some people just call pallets tombstones
[07:25:03] <_methods> yes the "big block" lol
[07:25:14] <_methods> with all the fixturing on it
[07:25:15] <XXCoder> hmm it has 16 places to hold em
[07:25:27] <_methods> yeah that's a good sized cell
[07:25:34] <_methods> i bet you stay busy unloading/loading that
[07:25:36] <XXCoder> I think total actually loaded is around hmm 8 tombstones
[07:25:56] <XXCoder> another 6 just pallet (just bottom nothing on top)
[07:26:17] <XXCoder> yesersay I ran 6 jobs, today just 4 (then briefly later 3 job)
[07:26:53] <XXCoder> out of 3 jobs, 2 was over a hour long
[07:26:59] <XXCoder> so its lot of reading lol
[07:27:33] <_methods> they let you read?
[07:27:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:27:43] <_methods> surprised they don't have you deburring during down time
[07:28:14] <XXCoder> company number of jobs is really low now
[07:28:19] <XXCoder> so nah
[07:28:30] <XXCoder> last year was hell of a lot busier
[07:32:15] <XXCoder> anyway
[07:32:24] <XXCoder> _methods: I wonder how common such machines are
[07:34:58] <_methods> in production shops very common
[07:35:03] <_methods> in job shops not at all
[07:35:46] <XXCoder> I guess production tend to make same stuff everyday?
[07:37:39] <_methods> well repeat jobs at least
[07:37:56] <_methods> or yes they'll dedicate a cell to a line of parts
[07:37:59] <_methods> like what you run
[07:38:22] <XXCoder> not sure if shop I work at is production or job
[07:38:29] <XXCoder> though we run a LOT different stuff
[07:38:39] <XXCoder> getting orders and making em and stuff
[07:38:56] <XXCoder> I usually run small cheap jobs using very old fadal 88
[07:39:08] <_methods> did you have to change anything out on those tombstones or tooling to run those multiple jobs you ran?
[07:39:19] <XXCoder> they do, I dont
[07:39:30] <XXCoder> I have only one week experence with cell heh
[07:39:42] <_methods> so they did have to change out tooling and fixturing to run your jobs that day?
[07:39:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:40:12] <XXCoder> yeserday I completed 2 jobs so I started at 6 jobs and by end of day 4
[07:40:34] <_methods> well usually with a cell like that you're leaning more towards a production shop
[07:41:30] <_methods> how many horizontal mills do you have in your shop?
[07:41:39] <XXCoder> hmm lemme see
[07:41:44] <_methods> horizontal cnc's
[07:41:46] <XXCoder> do cell count as 1 or 2? lol
[07:41:53] <_methods> count however yo uwant
[07:42:06] <XXCoder> anyway besides the cell theres 2 more
[07:42:07] <_methods> if you have more than 10 horizontals you're pretty much a production shop i'd say
[07:42:16] <archivist> I haz one manual :)
[07:42:19] <XXCoder> oh yes yet another cell
[07:42:27] <XXCoder> old one but yeah a cell
[07:42:38] <_methods> your company have a website?
[07:42:46] <XXCoder> yeah a sec
[07:43:07] <XXCoder> pm'
[07:43:15] <_methods> k
[08:05:22] <XXCoder> odd
[08:05:33] <XXCoder> boeing dont seem to be hiring much jobs
[08:06:11] <XXCoder> machnist ones anyway
[08:06:38] <archivist> sending work out to subcontractors
[08:07:54] <archivist> all getting a bit cut throat, rather than keep the work in house for quality
[08:11:14] <XXCoder> oh well
[08:11:23] <XXCoder> just dunno what will happen
[08:11:29] <XXCoder> this years heck of weird one.
[08:12:04] <archivist> a lot of RR engine components are made elsewhere
[08:12:48] <archivist> I think made in Derby should be changed to assembled in
[08:13:59] <SpeedEvil> If brexit happens, a lot more things will be built in the UK.
[08:14:07] <SpeedEvil> In automated factories with 4 people in.
[08:14:22] <archivist> 3 too many
[08:14:55] <XXCoder> 4 too many
[08:14:59] <archivist> actually a gate man, a forking forker and some robots
[08:15:11] <XXCoder> fucking fucker
[08:15:14] <XXCoder> heh
[08:15:16] <SpeedEvil> The 3 are security guards who can punch people and be sacked, rather than robot security
[08:15:25] <XXCoder> sorry getting late/early
[08:15:57] <XXCoder> geez.
http://interestingengineering.com/guy-creates-incredible-working-3d-printed-car-engines/
[08:16:38] <archivist> where my CMM came from was a subcontract turbine blade core maker
[08:28:41] * SpeedEvil bets 99.983% that that is 'working' in the sense of revolving at 60RPM with a tiny non-3d-printed motor
[08:29:02] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: its demonstion model
[08:29:15] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[08:29:19] <XXCoder> and awesome one at that, still moving as you pull it apart to look at stuff working
[08:29:28] <SpeedEvil> 'working-3d-printed-car-engine-models - fine
[08:29:34] <SpeedEvil> And yes, it is awesome
[08:29:45] <XXCoder> yeah title is bit misleading
[08:29:52] <XXCoder> almost clickbaity'
[08:31:16] <XXCoder> well time for me to lay horzionally, barely moving for around 7 hours
[08:31:18] <XXCoder> laters
[08:33:36] <SpeedEvil> have fun
[08:33:45] <SpeedEvil> Learn lucid machining.
[08:37:02] <Deejay> lol
[08:37:05] <Deejay> lucid machining :D
[08:37:11] <Deejay> nice idea
[09:40:22] <sel> hello, question about cutsim: which extension has to be the file name to show up in file open dialog?
[09:41:31] <archivist> ngc ?
[09:42:40] <CaptHindsight> is this the opposite of quality?
https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/f019/eoma-micro-card_jpg_project-body.jpg
[09:42:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
[09:43:49] <archivist> usual carp in a wooden box
[09:44:59] <sel> hmm. the first file open dialog does not show ngc files
[09:45:43] <CaptHindsight> made in Britain
https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ?t=24s
[09:46:00] <archivist> I imagine looking at the source/doc will make it obvious
[09:46:24] <sel> attempted to run a gcode got: Interpreter died. Bad tool table?
[09:48:31] <cradek> what is cutsim?
[09:49:12] <sel> anders wallin program : cut simulation
[09:49:12] <archivist> http://www.anderswallin.net/tag/cutsim/
[09:49:17] <BeachBumPete> Morning linuxCNC ;)
[09:50:07] <sel> advanced version:
https://github.com/KASUYASU/cutsim
[09:51:27] <cradek> aha
[09:52:28] <archivist> sort of thing that should be closer to track what we have :)
[10:24:59] <BeachBumPete> I see a lot of custom DIY speaker cabinet designs made like that stacking shaped plywood of that product. Some are quite beautiful..
[10:25:37] <BeachBumPete> that one however looks like my 9 year old might have made it.....with a toy saw..... :D
[10:29:44] <SpeedEvil> I am moderatly annoyed that unglued plys are not readily available.
[10:33:53] <BeachBumPete> I am used to the furniture grade stuff at the shops I worked in, most is decent but a lot of the cheap stuff has many voids and folds inside it.
[10:35:56] <fdarling> is anyone here familiar with remapping G-codes?
[10:37:01] <cradek> hi fdarling, always go ahead and ask your questions, and if someone can help they will
[10:37:46] <fdarling> cradek: the documentation mentions unused G-codes and some remappable G-codes that appear to mostly be M-codes. Does this mean that we can't ever remap say G1 and G0?
[10:39:02] <cradek> that's also how I read section 14.1
[10:39:13] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
[10:40:36] <fdarling> cradek: I am trying to hack a feature into LinuxCNC for laser raster engraving. I have friends who use a modified 3D printer firmware (Marlin) that supports embedding base64 raster data onto a "G7" command that acts as a G1 + laser modulation off the base64 parameter
[10:40:57] <fdarling> cradek: G7 is already taken for lathe diameter mode though, so I'd need to override that
[10:41:32] <fdarling> cradek: I am aware of graster and simple spindle on/off methods, but they aren't as elegant as this G-code format and it would be introducing a third standard
[10:41:37] <cradek> ah interesting - this is a problem a lot of people have hacked up in different ways
[10:41:59] <fdarling> cradek: what other solutions have you seen?
[10:42:00] <cradek> ... and it sounds like you already know more about those different ways than I do
[10:43:10] <fdarling> cradek: looking at the HAL file for graster, it's essentially streaming data from an auxiliary file, but pausing the streaming to wait for X coordinate conditions
[10:43:28] <cradek> seems like someone was hacking the software stepgen (or was it hostmot2 stepgen?) to clock out a raster along with step pulses
[10:43:48] <fdarling> cradek: I would like to do a similar thing, but have that data embedded in the G-code line
[10:44:18] <cradek> I can see why you'd want that! tricky to encode all that data, though.
[10:45:16] <fdarling> cradek: encoding/decoding the data should be easy if I can intercept reading the lines of G-code and effectively turn a G7 with raster data into a G1 + loading the raster data into some sort of global buffer
[10:47:49] <fdarling> cradek:
http://wiki.lansingmakersnetwork.org/equipment/buildlog_laser_cutter
[10:48:24] <yasnak> why remap g1 and g0?
[10:48:31] <yasnak> why not just modify the post?
[10:49:20] <fdarling> yasnak: I would actually be remapping G7 which is apparently for lathe tool diameter
[10:49:56] <fdarling> yasnak: I can modify the post, but I'd prefer not to for compatibility. It seems that one should be able to change the behavior of G1 anyways, I don't understand why it's "hard coded"
[10:54:03] <archivist> g1 is a bit fundamental
[11:00:00] <_methods> isn't there already a linuxcnc gcode generator for raster pics?
[11:00:28] <_methods> oh guess not for laser
[11:01:44] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rastering_With_A_Laser
[11:03:09] <_methods> guess that still doesn't address your laser modulation
[11:04:01] <_methods> it's hard coded because of this
[11:04:03] <_methods> https://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=823374
[11:26:03] <CaptHindsight> anyone have to deal with DUNS? what a train wreck of a website
[11:41:55] <archivist> Duns the place in Scotland?
[11:42:13] <Loetmichel> FINALLY i have 2 weeks paid vacation... carried 4 notebooks home from work (and a video projector)... all mine... to backup, update them to win10 and then write back the win7 image... seems i tend to lend too much of my stuff to the company and then dont even find the time to maintain it... :-)
[11:44:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Or...
[11:44:41] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ya could just install linux on them all... no backups, no uograding, restoreing. PROFIT!
[11:45:07] <gregcnc> sound like you'll be working on vacation
[11:51:24] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: they HAVE xubuntu as double boot
[11:51:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh, then that's even easier, jsut wipe the win partitions ;)
[11:51:57] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: they are my private notebooks. i just brought them to the company because boss is to cheap to buy us some to work with.
[11:52:28] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: and throw away the free win10 licenses? who said i will USE the win 10?
[11:52:34] <gregcnc> right so he gets a free lease on equipment and IT
[11:53:09] <Loetmichel> i just upgrade the win7 to win 10 so the activation servers acknowledge them as eglible for win10, then write back the win7 image..
[11:53:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Well, make them MV's then you can copy them everywhere if you must.
[11:53:15] <Jymmm> VM's
[11:53:17] <enleth> anyone here in the Birmingham area in the UK?
[11:53:18] <Loetmichel> so i have a solid work base for win7
[11:53:25] <Jymmm> ah
[11:53:47] <archivist> you are the mug for using your own stuff, the boss is taking the piss
[11:54:15] <enleth> I'll be visiting there in late September, figured I could drop by a fellow machinist's shop if it's anywhere near
[11:54:35] <CaptHindsight> archivist: Dun and Bradstreet
http://www.dnb.com/duns-number.html
[11:54:54] * JT-Shop forgets the drill size for a 1" reamer
[11:55:06] <CaptHindsight> woooot!
http://www.valuehobby.com/5-axis-cnc-breakout-board-for-stepper-driver-controller-mach3-for-arduino.html only $6.50
[11:55:43] <archivist> JT-Shop, a random jobber drill can drill over size
[11:56:35] <archivist> CaptHindsight, the bob is getting cheaper
[11:56:51] <JT-Shop> looks like I need a 63/64" bit
[11:56:57] <CaptHindsight> Single Axis TB6600 $14
http://www.valuehobby.com/tb6600-controller.html
[11:57:31] <archivist> not sure an aaaaaguino could drive it
[11:57:41] <gregcnc> oh that value hobby
[11:58:06] <CaptHindsight> the TB6560 single axis is only $6.50
[11:58:15] <CaptHindsight> if you can stand the noise
[11:58:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.valuehobby.com/single-axis-driver-board-for-cnc-stepper-motor-tb6560-3a-for-arduino.html
[11:59:52] <archivist> hehe high speed light lotus root
[12:03:43] <CaptHindsight> well who wants slow lotus root?
[12:13:54] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: they are in Addison
[12:38:42] <plpower> hi thunder all around so no mashine running BAD
[12:39:13] <plpower> Question can the Debian rtai cope with more cores and bigger ram
[12:39:49] <plpower> CaptHindsight: the tb6600 is a amazing chip
[12:40:03] <plpower> runs here in big mashines
[12:40:27] <plpower> i need to update about 50 Mashines from 10.04
[12:40:45] <CaptHindsight> plpower: how many cores do you want to run? RTAI only runs on one core.
[12:40:48] <plpower> 12.04 woirkes but runs out next year
[12:41:06] <plpower> so still need of isocpu
[12:41:54] <plpower> or is it kernel related that the LCNC wheez install only uses one
[12:42:02] <CaptHindsight> plpower: RTAI runs faster and with less issues when PAE is not used
[12:42:19] <plpower> ok
[12:42:23] <CaptHindsight> isolcpus is not required for some versions of RTAI
[12:42:44] <plpower> so i need to give it a try<
[12:43:32] <plpower> Loetmichel: bad weather hedding your way
[12:43:40] <CaptHindsight> I have run RTAI on 8 cores, but it only uses one for real time
[12:43:59] <plpower> on what kernel
[12:44:01] <CaptHindsight> shooting in Munich
[12:44:13] <CaptHindsight> lead in the air
[12:44:36] <plpower> M is far away from here the thunder is more issue
[12:44:48] <CaptHindsight> plpower: built from scratch, not debian from linuxcnc
[12:45:08] <plpower> link toi more infos on that
[12:45:13] <CaptHindsight> plpower: are you trying to stay with the debian RTAI kernels from Linuxcnc?
[12:45:34] <plpower> i need to find answers for the futher
[12:45:41] <CaptHindsight> you better know what you are doing otherwise
[12:46:09] <plpower> Bg boss will be back in 1month time
[12:46:11] <CaptHindsight> since you are asking then you better stay with the debian kernels from Linuxcnc
[12:46:39] <plpower> will this be supported next 4-5years
[12:47:07] <CaptHindsight> building your own RTAI kernels is a 5-6 banana job out of 5 bananas
[12:47:52] <CaptHindsight> the Linuxcnc devs tend to support old versions for quite some time
[12:49:51] <plpower> so it is time to look on self compiling kernels
[12:50:41] <plpower> most cad cam does run on 12.04 iv tryed out
[12:52:03] <plpower> and a 12GB DD image overlay takes about 35 min so i think i will stay on 12.04 2.6.12 for some month
[12:53:01] <plpower> thanks Bye getting real bad here lightning every 10sec
[12:53:35] <plpower> https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=de#m=sat;r=0;t=3;s=0;o=0;b=;n=0;
[12:54:24] <FinboySlick> plpower: Self-compiling kernels as in kernels that can compile themselves?
[15:10:53] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I wonder if can reserve one core to rtai and linuxcnc
[15:11:08] <XXCoder> and rest of cores run rest of programs
[15:14:01] <andypugh> I made a bitwise copy of the boot volume of my Lathe using dd onto an identical SSD
[15:14:17] <andypugh> Now the system boots, but the filesystem is read-only
[15:14:24] <andypugh> Any thoughts?
[15:14:49] <XXCoder> andypugh: check mounts
[15:15:09] <XXCoder> it may be rw mounted as r only
[15:15:17] <andypugh> Actually, I rebooted after failed attempts to remount, and now it might be OK
[15:16:03] <andypugh> Yes, panic over.
[15:16:11] <andypugh> Sorry for the noise
[15:16:27] <XXCoder> you actually screamed? ;)
[15:20:11] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: that is how it already works
[15:20:19] <XXCoder> oh
[15:20:59] <XXCoder> yes it was pretty olvious way to improve perforance
[15:21:02] <Lowridah_> if it didn't you could tasket affinity
[15:21:06] <Lowridah_> taskset
[16:10:25] <Deejay> gn8
[17:40:24] <andypugh> New Binky!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ajcKhHLjU
[17:40:42] <andypugh> One of the best-produced things on YouTube
[17:55:55] <JT-Shop> what is it?
[17:56:25] <andypugh> What is what?
[17:56:50] <andypugh> The car is an Austin Mini
[17:56:51] <JT-Shop> the video
[17:56:57] <JT-Shop> ah
[17:57:16] <JT-Shop> I'm almost out of bandwidth for the month so I have to look during free time
[17:57:27] <andypugh> They are putting a Celica 4x4 powertrain in it.
[17:57:40] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-05.jpg
[17:57:59] <andypugh> Currently there are 13 x 20 minute episodes. You don’t have the bandwidth
[17:58:00] <JT-Shop> getting along on the new press brake
[17:58:10] <XXCoder> making nice progress eh
[17:58:18] <JT-Shop> I can download from the time I get up to 8am
[17:58:33] <andypugh> But Project Binky is one of the best things on TV, and it isn’t even on TV.
[17:59:20] <JT-Shop> sent myself a link
[17:59:52] <JT-Shop> I was hoping to get a call from my buddy with the punch support saying he is done with it but not
[18:00:06] <JT-Shop> only thing left at this point for me is the back gauge
[18:03:15] <andypugh> JT-Shop: A feel for the series. They have just welded up a fuel tank. “What we have here is a Scröedinger fuel tank. It is either a fuel tank, or a very large and incovenient collander. And we don’t know until we test it, so currently it must be both”
[18:03:38] <JT-Shop> I love it
[18:21:00] <andypugh> JT-Shop: The minute from here on is worth seeing:
https://youtu.be/I_ajcKhHLjU?t=28m
[18:22:01] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: are you going to be at this years LinuxcncFest at Stuarts?
[18:22:31] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: did you see the news on the Fest?
[18:23:04] <andypugh> Yes
[18:23:24] <andypugh> I think I did anyway
[18:23:43] <andypugh> No holiday left.
[18:23:48] <CaptHindsight> Oct 17-23
[18:23:53] <CaptHindsight> ah
[18:24:11] <andypugh> And the cost of flights is not inconsiderable
[18:25:10] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsigh : no, I can't make it
[18:25:27] <CaptHindsight> I guess the office might miss you after a few days
[18:26:01] * JT-Shop puts on the chef hat and heads inside
[18:26:14] <JT-Shop> andypugh: can't wait to see all those videos
[20:29:42] <Crom> mmmmm Project Binky great TV
[20:52:49] <andypugh> Crom: I have been eagerly waiting for each new installment for a couple of years now.
[20:53:53] <andypugh> I reckon it really could go straight to TV on some of the lower-bandwitch channels. I doubt it would work on the HD channels without re-mastering.
[20:55:56] <andypugh> Actually, I just tried it full-screen and it is HD
[20:58:32] <SpeedEvil> It is truly excellent
[20:58:45] <SpeedEvil> I love the 'cad'
[20:59:03] <andypugh> Cardboard Aided Design :-)
[20:59:21] <andypugh> The only bad thing is that their CNC mill uses Mach :-(
[21:04:56] <Crom> well.... you could pop up there and straighten them out.....
[21:06:19] <Crom> can't use my laptop.. power brick died... another on order...
[21:22:19] <Tom_itx> andypugh you should have a word with the editors
[21:22:41] <andypugh> I am tempted to offer them a bigger lathe
[21:27:16] <zeeshan> lol
[21:28:51] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: come make vapes
[21:29:09] <Tom_itx> you at it again?
[21:29:22] <zeeshan> well we signed an agreement yesterday
[21:29:29] <zeeshan> im not starting till i gget back from vacation
[21:29:42] <zeeshan> but there is no way im making all of them :P
[21:29:44] <Tom_itx> awfully demaning you are...
[21:29:53] <Tom_itx> how many?
[21:30:01] <Tom_itx> run them in your sleep
[21:30:01] <zeeshan> demaning how
[21:30:05] <zeeshan> 800!
[21:30:12] <zeeshan> over 6 mo
[21:30:15] <Tom_itx> peanuts for a proper cnc
[21:30:32] <Tom_itx> you need a robotic arm with a toumbstone changer
[21:30:44] <zeeshan> i make 12 every 3 hours right now
[21:30:55] <zeeshan> 200 hr job
[21:31:18] <zeeshan> its not too bad
[21:31:23] <Tom_itx> that's like a normal work week isn't it???
[21:31:34] <zeeshan> nah
[21:31:44] <zeeshan> @ 8 hours a day, works ou t to 25 days
[21:31:55] <zeeshan> but i dont have 8 hours a day
[21:32:00] <zeeshan> i have 24 hours on the weekend
[21:32:03] <zeeshan> and 3 hours per day
[21:32:08] <zeeshan> *weekday
[21:32:21] <Tom_itx> double up on your fixture
[21:32:28] <zeeshan> easier to hire someone
[21:32:33] <zeeshan> to run it
[21:32:53] <zeeshan> 200hr * 25 /hr
[21:33:29] <zeeshan> need somene trust worthy tho
[21:33:31] <Tom_itx> he still supplying the material?
[21:33:34] <zeeshan> yes
[21:33:41] <zeeshan> i figure 3k in tooling
[21:33:54] <zeeshan> and 5k in wage
[21:33:57] <zeeshan> still come out good
[21:34:04] <Tom_itx> trustworthy and reliable are things of a past generation
[21:34:08] <zeeshan> youre right
[21:34:14] <zeeshan> people slack so much now days
[21:34:35] <zeeshan> he really needs them over 6 months
[21:34:53] <zeeshan> i could just take it easy
[21:35:11] <zeeshan> (i really want to work on the lathe!)
[21:35:25] <Tom_itx> finish these and you can
[21:35:31] <Tom_itx> after the rx job
[21:36:05] <zeeshan> that lathe would be the ultimate thing
[21:36:07] <zeeshan> cause with a bar puller
[21:36:10] <zeeshan> i can walk away for hours!
[21:36:20] <Tom_itx> naw
[21:36:28] <zeeshan> why
[21:36:40] <Tom_itx> i ran 6 & 8 spindle and went thru bars every hour or so
[21:36:46] <zeeshan> jesus
[21:36:58] <zeeshan> i guess thats where bar feeders are useful
[21:37:02] <zeeshan> cause you can load like 12 bars at a time
[21:37:03] <Tom_itx> 1" brass bars go quick
[21:37:08] <Tom_itx> steel takes a bit longer
[21:37:17] <Tom_itx> no not on those
[21:37:35] <Tom_itx> the bridgeports did
[21:37:47] <Tom_itx> but they ran really tiny bars almost like wire
[21:38:10] <Tom_itx> err.. not bridgeports, davenports
[21:38:11] <Tom_itx> sry
[21:38:19] <zeeshan> wow
[21:38:34] <Tom_itx> then the brown & sharps ran a bit bigger material
[21:38:53] <Tom_itx> we ran the big stuff up to like 1.75"
[21:39:23] <Tom_itx> those pressure regulators found in the camping dept at stores?
[21:39:33] <Tom_itx> propane stuff
[21:40:38] <zeeshan> ah
[21:41:18] <Tom_itx> http://www.walmart.com/ip/43980090?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227031792264&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=74804703888&wl4=pla-104604780288&wl5=9024248&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=43980090&wl13=&veh=sem
[21:41:37] <Tom_itx> those are different now but i made some of those parts and quite a few similar ones
[21:42:38] <Tom_itx> https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-3000000454-Filler-Cap/dp/B0000AUT1J
[21:42:46] <Tom_itx> ran ~5500 of those a shift
[21:43:39] <zeeshan> thats a lot of burners
[21:43:40] <zeeshan> :D
[21:43:53] <Tom_itx> 1" brass barstock
[21:43:54] <zeeshan> so are you using catia
[21:43:55] <zeeshan> =D
[21:44:07] <Tom_itx> i was playing with it today actually
[21:44:42] <Tom_itx> http://www.ereplacementparts.com/check-valve-air-stem-p-1003301.html
[21:44:53] <Tom_itx> that check valve has rolled threads on it
[21:44:58] <Tom_itx> ran a bazillion of those
[21:45:17] <zeeshan> you roll em on the lathe?
[21:45:18] <Tom_itx> it cut the screwdriver slot in it while it was spinning
[21:45:21] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:45:24] <zeeshan> how
[21:45:27] <Tom_itx> double sync rollers
[21:45:39] <zeeshan> can i see a pic
[21:45:50] <zeeshan> ive seen forming dies before
[21:45:50] <Tom_itx> the slot was a rotating saw blade
[21:45:53] <zeeshan> but it was never on a lathe
[21:45:56] <zeeshan> it was a custom machine
[21:46:10] <zeeshan> so it kind of looks like hobs
[21:46:13] <zeeshan> that mesh together
[21:46:14] <zeeshan> in sync
[21:46:19] <zeeshan> *squish the bar together
[21:46:24] <Tom_itx> they were paired rollers
[21:46:31] <Tom_itx> some were just bump rollers
[21:46:34] <zeeshan> like a knurling tool?
[21:46:38] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:46:40] <zeeshan> ash
[21:46:45] <zeeshan> thats cool
[21:46:46] <Tom_itx> not that one though
[21:47:29] <Tom_itx> can't find any pics online yet
[21:48:24] <Tom_itx> http://www.reed-machinery.com/pdf/thread_rolling_attachments_and_thread_rolls.pdf
[21:48:27] <Tom_itx> similar
[21:48:42] <zeeshan> oka
[21:48:44] <zeeshan> i see it now
[21:48:46] <zeeshan> thats COOL!
[21:48:52] <zeeshan> strong ass threads
[21:49:09] <Tom_itx> they made a nice thread when set right
[21:51:12] <malcom2073> zeeshan:
https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13735621_1328136597200718_7881265452362434110_o.jpg
[21:51:14] <malcom2073> Spot the problem
[21:51:37] <malcom2073> More amusing angle:
https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13775796_1328136677200710_8187406452433147618_n.jpg?oh=d8e31b3a9538952fff7ee1911d5e15eb&oe=581B0D6C
[21:51:38] <Tom_itx> no problem there!
[21:51:56] <zeeshan> that spring isnt too efficient like that
[21:52:02] <malcom2073> So I gather!
[21:52:08] <zeeshan> did it snap
[21:52:12] <zeeshan> i snapped one on my old eclipse
[21:52:18] <zeeshan> but it didnt fly out like that
[21:52:37] <malcom2073> Nope, I had removed the three link holding the rear, and set it back down, not realizing when I removed the three link, it dropped the axle past the break-loose point of the springs
[21:52:43] <zeeshan> haha
[21:52:44] <zeeshan> nice
[21:52:45] <malcom2073> Set it down on the ground, "BANG"
[21:52:47] <zeeshan> im glad you didnt get hurt
[21:52:50] <malcom2073> Yeah
[21:53:07] <malcom2073> no damage, spring came right back out and should set right into place, I didn't drive it like that, just pushed it into a garage
[21:53:13] <zeeshan> i see brand new shock absorbers :)
[21:53:23] <malcom2073> Put them on right before I broke the motor heh
[21:53:27] <malcom2073> Made the car drive beautifully
[21:53:30] <zeeshan> what truck
[21:53:34] <malcom2073> Camaro
[21:53:44] <zeeshan> lt1 or ls1?
[21:53:47] <zeeshan> =D
[21:53:48] <malcom2073> SBC
[21:53:51] <zeeshan> ah
[21:53:56] <zeeshan> i thought it was a truck
[21:53:57] <malcom2073> 6.2L though
[21:53:59] <zeeshan> cause solid rear axle
[21:53:59] <zeeshan> lol
[21:54:01] <malcom2073> Hah yeah
[21:54:03] <malcom2073> I'm selling it
[21:54:16] <malcom2073> gonna get it running with a stock 5.0L, then sell it for a small pickup (Chevy S10), to put my big motor in
[21:55:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, that filler cap i showed you , they didn't have the cutoff tool alined very well
[21:55:44] <malcom2073> zeeshan:
https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13731563_1327983210549390_194068593799141095_n.jpg?oh=291170a7a8b28363a460e92592a9a5b7&oe=582E6BCB It barely fits
[22:15:23] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:18:17] <tiwake> heh
[22:22:09] <codepython777> anyone has a pocket nc here?
[22:40:23] <Crom> pocket nc? Pocket pc?
[22:41:28] <Crom> I have a pocket pc... Doesn't work....
[23:07:21] <codepython777> Crom: what is your cnc?
[23:07:38] <codepython777> I need a 5" x 5" x 5" alum cutter - preferably something that does not cost an arm and leg
[23:08:13] <Crom> ebay bob, in a Yoocnc 3 axis control box, using THB6600 drivers to drive a 3040
[23:09:17] <Crom> 3040 does 30cm x 40cm (actual closer to 25cm x 35cm) by 5.5cm
[23:10:26] <BeachBumPete> Evening folks
[23:11:09] <Crom> codepython777, hmm 5x5x5" looks like a X2 ala Harbor Fright so you're look at $1200 all told..
[23:11:50] <Crom> s/look/looking/
[23:12:25] <codepython777> Crom: I want a cnc machine please :)
[23:12:47] <Crom> you convert it to CNC
[23:13:18] <codepython777> Crom: I want something that is already cnc preferably :)
[23:13:45] <Crom> you're looking at a bunch of money.. the 3040 is around $1500 ready to go...
[23:13:59] <Crom> it's barely AL capable...
[23:14:30] <codepython777> Crom: I need good precision on my cuts. If I convert, can i get that?
[23:14:55] <Crom> if you convert the lead screws to ball screws, you can
[23:15:15] <Crom> ups your price a bit though
[23:15:27] <codepython777> pocket nc is around 4k
[23:17:09] <codepython777> Crom:
http://www.harborfreight.com/two-speed-variable-bench-mill-drill-machine-44991.html - did you mean this one?
[23:17:29] <codepython777> Crom: Also, it would be nice to build a 4-axis - if it ups not too much money
[23:18:32] <Crom> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-5-Axis-CNC-3040-Table-Ball-Screw5-Column-Engraving-Machine-High-pricision-/271834164191?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[23:19:06] <codepython777> Crom: do these things work?
[23:19:11] <Crom> right around $2200 30cmx400cmx15xm(5.9")
[23:19:55] <codepython777> What is the accuracy on these?
[23:20:52] <Crom> 0.02mm (7/10 thou")
[23:21:17] <Crom> so real world.. probably around 0.015"
[23:21:23] <Crom> so real world.. probably around 0.0015"
[23:21:38] <Crom> 15/10 thousands"
[23:21:40] <codepython777> Crom: how does one get to micron level accuracy?
[23:22:02] <Crom> make your own out of granite
[23:22:14] <Crom> air bearings
[23:22:41] <codepython777> no use buying one?
[23:22:53] <Crom> $60K plue
[23:22:56] <Crom> plus
[23:23:34] <codepython777> k - not an arm and leg cost please
[23:23:44] <codepython777> Crom: how precise is that pocket nc?
[23:27:07] <Crom> you could take that ebay one and add granite bolsters and play with the ball screws and get it into the 2/10th thousands range
[23:27:27] <Crom> pocket nc looks to be around 0.002" plus
[23:28:09] <Crom> what do you need to cut with micron acruacy?
[23:28:22] <codepython777> Crom: pieces for my robot
[23:28:57] <codepython777> I currently use 50 microns 3d printed parts for prototyping, and would like to go below that.
[23:29:54] <Crom> cut them on what ever and lap them to tolerance
[23:30:07] <codepython777> lap them?
[23:30:32] <Crom> granite surface plate and really fine sand paper
[23:30:49] <Crom> or get a surface grinder
[23:31:36] <codepython777> how does that help?
[23:31:45] <codepython777> These are intricate 3d parts, I cant even get a sand paper inside in there
[23:31:46] <Crom> for a robot... I don't see having better than 7/10 accuracy would mean much
[23:33:44] <Crom> hmm 50 micron = 0.0001.92
[23:33:51] <Crom> hmm 50 micron = 0.000192"
[23:34:26] <Crom> almost 2/10's
[23:39:07] <Crom> if your holding that tight of tolerance, once you stick it out in the sun it would expand and probably lock up
[23:39:37] <codepython777> Crom: I do use sun and the refrigerator a lot
[23:41:02] <Crom> milling a hole down to 5" you'd get a fair amount of deflection on a end mill anything under 3/8 of an inch
[23:41:28] <codepython777> Crom: my parts are typically small - 2" x 2" x 2"
[23:41:48] <Crom> which you don't have to worry about when 3d printing
[23:42:17] <codepython777> yes - but i cant use 3d printing for that
[23:44:31] <Crom> bearing you can lock in/on with locktite so really don't need the 50micron 0.0007" is fine...
[23:45:13] <Crom> then there is the bearing tolerances...
[23:49:41] <codepython777> how much does the tormach pcncs give?
[23:49:46] <Crom> which you can preload
[23:51:07] <Crom> http://www.tormach.com/uploads/943/pcnc440specsheet_2015-pdf.html
[23:51:59] <codepython777> Crom: thanks. No accuracy numbers?
[23:53:57] <Crom> still looking
[23:54:31] <codepython777> Crom: I'll go. Will catch you again soon.
[23:54:33] <codepython777> Need to sleep
[23:59:59] <Crom> laterzz...
http://www.tormach.com/engineering_PCNC1100.html they never state tolerances...
