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[01:27:36] <BeachBumPete> Hey folks
[01:49:13] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: hi
[01:49:40] <BeachBumPete> Hey tiwake
[01:50:09] <BeachBumPete> Howzitgoin?
[01:50:41] <tiwake> alright
[01:50:46] <tiwake> gearing up for moving
[01:50:59] <BeachBumPete> I'm sorry LOL
[01:51:12] <tiwake> enh, I don't have hardly anything to move
[01:51:36] <BeachBumPete> Today we FINALLY closed on our new house.
[01:51:42] <tiwake> \o/
[01:52:08] <BeachBumPete> I am actually sleeping for the first time in my new bedroom tonight
[01:52:52] <BeachBumPete> We made several runs to the storage unit this afternoon but there is still tons of stuff to bring over
[01:54:04] <BeachBumPete> I can't believe how nice it feels to actually sleep in my bed again hehehe
[02:27:28] <Deejay> moin
[04:51:04] <jthornton> morning
[04:53:24] <XXCoder> boo
[05:14:39] <XXCoder> been running really expensive machine lately
[05:15:00] <XXCoder> thankfully its been pretty easy so far
[05:15:09] <XXCoder> they ran out of jobs I usually run lol
[05:37:59] <KreAa> boo?
[05:38:06] * KreAa is fighting with fusion
[05:38:16] <KreAa> I have this stl surface which is not a solid
[05:38:23] <KreAa> aka it is a surface that is not closed on back
[05:38:43] <KreAa> Trying to use it in some carving operations but need to do something with it first it seems
[05:42:24] <XXCoder> theres probably utilities to find holes and unsealed edges?
[06:01:08] <XXCoder> heh spam.. "headphones as unique as your hearing"
[06:01:16] <XXCoder> I found that to be extremely funny
[06:02:32] <archivist> they vibrate your skull so you feel the noise
[06:03:13] <XXCoder> sure but I still cant translate it to any kind of information. :)
[06:05:30] <KreAa> XXCoder: nope
[06:05:38] <KreAa> XXCoder: it cannot edit it
[06:05:43] <KreAa> XXCoder: that is the whole point
[06:05:55] <KreAa> XXCoder: I need it to be in some other format, stl is not editable
[06:06:22] <XXCoder> http://manual.slic3r.org/advanced/repairing-models maybe
[06:06:31] <XXCoder> you dont need to ding my name each time
[06:06:38] <XXCoder> window flashing each time is bit annoying
[06:06:58] <KreAa> XXCoder: you sure
[06:07:03] <KreAa> XXCoder: hehe
[06:07:06] <XXCoder> okay
[06:07:08] <KreAa> :p
[06:07:28] <KreAa> You probably shouldn't have mentioned it now everyone will do it
[06:18:59] <XXCoder> hmm
[06:19:03] <XXCoder> archivist: check this out
[06:19:05] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JZJO7YC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=377H6AD2J7ZF&coliid=I3F3ERA7ZKM1JX
[06:19:22] <XXCoder> I wonder if it would work as cnc router light
[06:20:00] <XXCoder> hm though it may be a issue if spindle goes high up enough
[06:20:22] <archivist> mount to spindle not holder
[06:21:53] <XXCoder> "random shit" search first result is "dark side of disney" book lol
[06:22:18] <XXCoder> 5th result "bag of random shit"
[06:24:12] <XXCoder> archivist: is tin coated 123 blocks rustproof or what?
[06:25:55] <archivist> never head of coated ones
[06:26:01] <archivist> heard
[06:26:24] <XXCoder> me either, I wonder if they strunk the steel part so coating would be close
[06:26:32] <archivist> last op is usually grind to size
[06:28:56] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:29:18] <XXCoder> my mentor explained that to me as my internship next step was to make pair of 123 blocks
[06:29:27] <XXCoder> ended up not making em but yeah
[06:49:20] * KreAa is doing housekeeping
[06:49:28] <KreAa> How should one organize ones bits ?
[06:50:18] <KreAa> hss/carbide and then theres flute pitch, no flutes, diameter, ball dia, taper, angle, flutes length and finally possible variopitch stuff
[06:52:29] <gonzo__> sort into rank of most used. Most recent at the top of the pile. Least used, somewhere sown near the decaying sandwich and the veriner yoiu lost years ago
[06:53:31] * archivist hugs stack processing
[06:54:18] <archivist> or, barcoded and a map with a database
[07:00:06] <KreAa> lol gonzo__
[07:00:31] <KreAa> archivist: I have the tables in fusion and think of using a setup with that
[07:10:40] <KreAa> tracert
[07:10:46] <KreAa> lol wrong window
[07:30:08] <jthornton> yippie I finally understand what getattr does
[07:30:11] <jthornton> off to work now
[09:16:39] <MacGalempsy> Hello. is any of the website admins on right now? I cannot seem to get an email for password recovery.
[09:23:04] <archivist> jt is your man
[09:24:27] <jdh> he's off to work.
[09:26:48] <archivist> but...he lives at work :)
[09:29:46] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: what's your user name
[09:30:03] <MacGalempsy> MacGalempsy
[09:30:09] <MacGalempsy> email is alaubhan@hotmail.com
[09:30:24] <MacGalempsy> i entered that last night, but still no emails
[09:32:17] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: see the pm?
[09:35:05] <JT-Shop> bbl
[09:44:40] <MacGalempsy> general question: after setting up a basic template with PNCCONF, I am trying to better understand how the HAL file works by reviewing the code. I have been able to find HAL PIN definitions, but I am having difficulty finding information on the SIGNALS that have been generated.
[09:45:21] <archivist> they are just names conecting the pins
[09:46:31] <MacGalempsy> ok. I think I get it.
[09:47:03] <MacGalempsy> and one signal can connect to multiple pins
[09:47:07] <archivist> need to look at a comp's pin to get the idea what is on that connection
[09:47:23] <archivist> it can
[09:47:35] <MacGalempsy> that is in the halmeter?
[09:50:11] <archivist> a page like
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/gantry.9.html
[09:56:00] <CaptHindsight> _methods: these look lower cost than the cheap wifi routers
http://hackerboards.com/5-dollar-linux-equipped-omega2-iot-module-launches-on-kickstarter/
[09:58:31] <CaptHindsight> looks like they make all their profit on the add-on modules
[10:15:30] <BeachBumPete> Morn
[10:16:49] <CaptHindsight> moved in yet?
[10:18:30] <BeachBumPete> Started to
[10:18:50] <BeachBumPete> Made three trips last night with my trailer to the storage unit
[10:19:05] <BeachBumPete> Slept in my own bed again FINALLY
[10:19:42] <CaptHindsight> has it been 2 months or longer?
[10:20:44] <BeachBumPete> Very exciting to sleep in our new home for the first time last night my kids did not want to sleep they were running all around the house hehe
[10:21:23] <BeachBumPete> For what? Its actually been almost four months since we started this move.. Crazy
[10:21:30] <archivist> !seen petefromTN
[10:21:30] <the_wench> last seen in 2016-03-28 03:18:09GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Client Quit
[10:22:07] <archivist> ve have ways of checking :)
[10:23:16] <BeachBumPete> LOL never seen that before nice
[10:24:07] <BeachBumPete> Feels like a year ago hehe
[10:25:23] <BeachBumPete> It's funny our house in Tennessee was a cape cod style 2 story and our furniture looked like it just fit in the rooms barely and here in the new house it looks like we need more stuff :D
[10:27:15] <BeachBumPete> I got about half of one storage unit emptied out yesterday and should be able to finish the rest this afternoon. Then I will start on the bigger one and begin bringing over my roll around tool box's and stuff
[10:27:56] <BeachBumPete> The good part is it is just like 2 miles and nice smooth roads with no hills hehe
[10:29:14] <BeachBumPete> I can't wait to be able to bring over the CNC's
[10:34:35] <MacGalempsy> pete which beach u being a bum at?
[10:36:04] <BeachBumPete> Well several actually ;)
[10:36:34] <BeachBumPete> We usually go to Jensen beach for swimming because they have lifeguards on duty
[10:37:14] <BeachBumPete> But if we were just going to go beach fishing we go to some of the more secluded beaches north on Hutchinson island.
[10:38:00] <BeachBumPete> There are several there where you usually only see a few people if you are not alone
[10:39:08] <MacGalempsy> nice. how hectic was the machine moving?
[10:39:58] <BeachBumPete> My best friend Frank whom I went to jr high school wants to go with me offshore kayak fishing off the north jeti beach area there are supposed to be some reefs not too far offshore where you can catch some nice big red snapper and grouper on the bottom and kingfish and snook up top usually.
[10:40:47] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i might have to buy one of those
[10:40:48] <BeachBumPete> Mac honestly since I helped him with the move it was a bit hectic
[10:41:24] <_methods> but i won't buy it from shitstarter
[10:41:52] <BeachBumPete> Moving tons of machinery across two states and into a storage unit then into the house is not simple really but all things considered its not been all that bad.
[10:42:11] <_methods> congrats on closing
[10:42:50] <BeachBumPete> It actually turned out to be much more frustrating to find a suitable home in our price range and get thru the financing for it than anything else.
[10:43:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qYI2A7JEQA anyone ever work with these? temporary wall systems
[10:43:21] <BeachBumPete> _methods hey thanks man it was a bitch but we finally got it done.
[10:43:35] <CaptHindsight> I really wonder if they cost less then just building walls
[10:43:45] <jdh> catching a king on a kayak would be amusing
[10:44:05] <BeachBumPete> Actually these guys here do it daily
[10:44:36] <BeachBumPete> A guy in the local kayak fishing club posted pics of one about a week ago that wa HUGE
[10:44:54] <BeachBumPete> I think he said it was more than 4 feet long
[10:45:32] <BeachBumPete> They catch sailfish big tuna etc etc
[10:46:32] <BeachBumPete> I am really looking forward to getting out offshore and trying it myself it is something that I have wanted to do for a long time.
[10:48:29] <BeachBumPete> I have never used one of these sabiki rigs but these guys go in the shallows offshore and use them to catch goggleyes or other baits and then put them in the live well then paddle farther offshore to fish for the larger fish.
[10:49:47] <BeachBumPete> I bought a six foot cast net for baits and caught some finger mullet in the shoreline but I am not sure I am capable of using it from the kayak without falling overboard LOL
[10:50:51] <_methods> yeah that's pro cast netting lol
[10:52:08] <BeachBumPete> There are guys who do it but I find I have to swing so much I think will surely loose my balance and with my luck get wrapped up in the net heading down to see Davey Jones lol
[10:52:34] <_methods> yeah sounds like a great way to end up on the local news
[10:52:43] <_methods> and a darwin award
[10:52:57] <BeachBumPete> Yup for me at least.
[10:53:14] <_methods> me too i can barely cast from the dock
[10:53:17] <_methods> let alone a boat
[10:53:54] <BeachBumPete> I think some of the guys with the larger hobie kayaks they are kinda deeper in draft and perhaps a bit more planted they might be easier to do it in.
[10:55:01] <BeachBumPete> Hehe when I first got the net I was wading in the shallows looking to get close to the mullet and when I threw my second cast I lost my balance and fell in up to my head
[10:55:46] <BeachBumPete> Was not wearing a bathing suit just wanted to get some free bait and hit the Jensen causeway bridge to try to snag me a snook
[10:56:30] <BeachBumPete> Instead I had to go home and get a change of clothes and listen to my kids laugh their asses off on the whole ride back
[10:59:27] <BeachBumPete> There is a guy selling a SWEET hobie outback fishing kayak all decked out on Facebook south Florida kayak fishing page for a great price. After closing yesterday and paying all that Damn money to get into this new house it's gonna be awhile before I can even think about buying anything. My sea ghost kayak is honestly more than capable but it would be nice to have the Cadillac of kayaks to enjoy at some point :D
[11:16:57] <MacGalempsy> you should fab your own
[11:20:31] <BeachBumPete> Hehe believe me if I could I would. My brother has built a very lightweight kayak from wood and some sort of Kevlar mesh but he is afraid to test it out LOL
[11:21:40] <BeachBumPete> There are actually lots of cool diy designs for kayaks and canoes online but I am not sure if I could be ballsy enough to venture offshore in one.
[11:22:50] <MacGalempsy> baby steps!
[11:22:59] <MacGalempsy> start off in the lagoon
[11:23:21] <MacGalempsy> hahaha. he needs a guinea pig
[11:23:21] <BeachBumPete> Hehe I know right
[11:23:40] <MacGalempsy> we are headed to telluride today for a family reunion
[11:24:01] <MacGalempsy> wifey is taking a calc final, then we are heading west
[11:24:53] <BeachBumPete> My sea ghost is pretty Damn offshore capable in fact there are lots of guys using them offshore now so I am good. I just need to pick up a waterproof vhf ship to shore and a few other safety items before I venture out there.
[11:26:38] <BeachBumPete> Nice man enjoy your trip
[11:28:19] <BeachBumPete> I have been to Denver and Parker and down to the red rocks natural amphitheater very cool places
[11:28:35] <BeachBumPete> Rocky mountain high LOL
[11:32:03] <jdh> my sea cat is offshore capable
[11:32:28] <jdh> but I think we have vastly different ideas of "offshore"
[11:33:34] <BeachBumPete> Sea cat? What is your idea of offshore?
[11:34:00] <jdh> more than 20-25 miles
[11:34:11] <BeachBumPete> That would be quite a paddle
[11:34:31] <BeachBumPete> Some of these guys go several miles out tho
[11:34:42] <Loetmichel> isnt "offshore" defined by "out in international waters"?
[11:35:22] <BeachBumPete> One of the nicest things about south Florida fishing is that you really don't need to go very far offshore to catch a Damn big fish
[11:35:59] <BeachBumPete> Even the party boats typical
[11:36:19] <BeachBumPete> Go just a mile or three out
[11:36:41] <BeachBumPete> There are lots of reefs within a mile or so of the beach
[11:36:51] <Loetmichel> or would "offshore" mean "off the continal shelf"?
[11:37:24] <jdh> yep. 3 miles out here is 50ft. I have dive sites 40 miles that are only 110ft
[11:38:50] <BeachBumPete> From where? Around here even a mile out you are over 100ft or more
[11:39:33] <BeachBumPete> Loetmichel to me offshore means anywhere that is not the beach and not the intercoastal waterway LOL
[11:39:58] <Loetmichel> BeachBumPete: depends on your continent
[11:40:28] <BeachBumPete> Sure does lol
[11:40:52] <Loetmichel> but usually you have a few miles to a few 10 miles of shallow waters, then a sharp edge and the bottom of th eocean is "falling" down from a few 100 feet to a few miles
[11:41:27] <Loetmichel> i would say THAT edge is where "offshore" begins
[11:42:12] <BeachBumPete> A guy just posted a video of fishing in his kayak off pompano beach and he had a visit from a 13 foot hammerhead shark. He said he needed to change his shorts after but the video looks like it just wanted to see what the kayak was for the most part. Damn fish was as big as the kayak..
[11:43:44] <BeachBumPete> A bunch of these guys actively target medium sharks just to test their ability to catch a powerful fish from their kayak. Then they snap a pic and release it.
[11:45:06] <BeachBumPete> Loetmichel I would say that is where the deep ocean trough begins and not all that far from here is gets Really deep. But yeah to me offshore is just ocean fishing and not inshore intercoastal fishing
[11:47:16] <roycroft> sharks are not particularly threatening to humans
[11:47:26] <roycroft> 10 people/year are killed by sharks globally
[11:47:32] <Loetmichel> unless humans look like seals from below ;)
[11:47:41] <roycroft> 725,000 people/year are killed by mosquitos
[11:47:51] <roycroft> 100 people/year are killed by elephants
[11:48:03] <roycroft> so elephants are an order of magnitude more deadly than sharks
[11:48:12] <roycroft> 50,000 people/year are killed by snakes
[11:48:24] <roycroft> 475,000 people/year are killed by humans
[11:48:35] <roycroft> 2,000 people/year are killed by tapeworms
[11:48:46] <roycroft> 1,000 people/year are killed by crocodiles
[11:49:36] <roycroft> 500 people/year are killed by hippopotami
[11:50:01] <roycroft> 10,000 people/year are killed by freshwater snails
[11:50:09] <cradek> jeez this channel
[11:50:16] <roycroft> really, sharks are at the low end of lethal animals
[11:50:25] <gregcnc> how many by cnc?
[11:50:55] <roycroft> i don't have statistics on death by inanimate entities at hand
[11:51:42] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: the snails seem low
[11:52:06] <BeachBumPete> Roycroft not sure where you are going with this but they dont kill the sharks just catch them for sport and release.
[11:52:21] <roycroft> just a commentary on sharks
[11:52:35] <roycroft> they are commonly perceived as extremely dangerous and thretening
[11:52:38] <roycroft> threatening
[11:52:42] <roycroft> when in fact they really aren't
[11:52:50] <roycroft> shark attacks are dramatic, though
[11:53:06] <BeachBumPete> Lol I did say earlier that I could not wait to be able to move my cnc machines out to the house ;)
[11:53:18] <roycroft> and, other than humans, are probably the only animals who have an attack theme song written for them
[11:54:02] <BeachBumPete> I have been in the water many times alongside sharks both diving and surfing.
[11:54:13] <roycroft> they mostly avoid people
[11:54:36] <roycroft> we're not as interesting as we like to think we are :)
[11:54:45] <BeachBumPete> They do actually unless you have speared a fish or something
[11:55:04] <CaptHindsight> ok looks like this years Linuxcnc Fest will be at Stuarts in Wichita starting Oct 17
[11:55:04] <roycroft> yes, if we have a nice fresh fish we're a lot more interesting
[11:55:33] <BeachBumPete> I honestly have had closer calls with large aggressive barracuda while snorkeling and spear fishing.
[11:56:16] <BeachBumPete> That is the guy with the huge Cincinnati five aids no_
[11:56:25] <BeachBumPete> Axis
[11:56:59] <BeachBumPete> I would love to see that thing in person
[11:57:52] <BeachBumPete> You could probably put my Cincinatti arrow 500 on its table and mill on it LOL
[11:59:50] <SpeedEvil> roycroft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYSTw350th0
[12:00:21] <gregcnc> I like those mosquitos
[12:01:47] <SpeedEvil> Though cheating on 'attack theme' for mosquitos reallly
[12:02:12] <BeachBumPete> Yup cool to see how they built those things years ago.
[12:03:58] <gregcnc> a small kit been sitting on the shelf for far too long
[12:06:16] <BeachBumPete> Kit?
[12:06:21] <gregcnc> rc
[12:10:15] <BeachBumPete> Ah ok sweet.
[12:12:06] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any chance you'll be able to make the fest?
[12:16:06] <CaptHindsight> anyone interested in my Matsuura 710?
https://imagebin.ca/v/2RuHAsYVLA7N
[12:29:10] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: all I know is the last time the family reunion was at this dude ranch, there was a stampede that got a little out of control
[12:32:15] <BeachBumPete> Mac LOL that does not sound good
[12:35:22] <MacGalempsy> gosh, my wife is pretty wreckless, so I'm worried about getting together with the WHOLE bunch...
[12:36:15] <BeachBumPete> Really my wife likes horses but she does have a healthy fear of them at least.
[12:38:34] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: You got free shipping? ;)
[12:38:51] <CaptHindsight> to anywhere in the shop
[12:39:11] <CaptHindsight> or right up to my doorway :)
[12:41:02] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: how would CA customs handle it? Is it even worth buying a used machine from the US?
[12:41:20] <FinboySlick> If it was made in the US, there'd be no customs at all.
[12:41:36] <FinboySlick> NAFTA and all that sovereignty-destroying stuff.
[12:41:36] <CaptHindsight> made in Japan 1980
[12:42:28] <CaptHindsight> I asked them about bringing a truck full of tools over the border and they said it might be $20
[12:42:41] <FinboySlick> It would need an invoice, I'd pay sales taxes on it. Not sure about actual duties.
[12:43:17] <Loetmichel> HARHAR... a german member of parliament forged her whole Curriculum Vitae... she said she had a high school degree, studied jura and took the state exam on that. all lies... and she lived on that lie for 30++ years. at least 10 of that in german parliament. RESPECT! I nearly pissed myself when i heard that story in the local radio today ;)
[12:44:16] <BeachBumPete> I have heard stories like that before why does it not surprise me that it was a politician that did it LOL
[12:44:17] <FinboySlick> Liars in politics? What a concept ;)
[12:44:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe someone just copied it wrong?
[12:45:03] <FinboySlick> Or the Steve Jobs excuse: You're reading it wrong.
[12:46:16] <CaptHindsight> never believe anyone that starts out with "I'm an honest guy..."
[12:47:02] <FinboySlick> Better with a paradox like: "This statement is false."
[12:47:09] <Loetmichel> germany is a country where "papers" go a long way
[12:47:24] <Loetmichel> so someone forging said certificates theds to cause a lot of outrage
[12:48:01] <Loetmichel> going on entirely forged education for 30+ years is nearly admireable tho
[12:48:06] <BeachBumPete> Papers in any country are only worth as much as the person who has generated them.
[12:48:13] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I guess it wasn't intentional but you just made me directly think of east Germany's stereotypical: "Papers please!"
[12:49:11] <BeachBumPete> Kinda makes me think of the HUGE load of paperwork we had to generate and sign just to buy this Damn house. Just ridiculous.
[12:49:20] <Loetmichel> she must be as good as Frank William Abagnale Junior
[12:49:36] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: we have that down here now
[12:50:01] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: The paradox or the liars?
[12:50:02] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: thats because that stereotype as a true core like all of them
[12:50:47] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Give it a few years, it'll be a planetary stereotype instead of just an East-Gearman one.
[12:51:12] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: Papers Please
[12:51:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- nazi
[12:51:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- commi
[12:52:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- pokemon
[12:52:08] <FinboySlick> That was more the Stasi, Jymmm. The nazis didn't bother with the papers.
[12:52:24] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: =)
[12:52:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- Pikachu
[12:53:15] <FinboySlick> Speaking of which:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WH94ikvtEM Let's grove to communism.
[12:53:40] <FinboySlick> :s/grove/groove/
[12:54:04] <BeachBumPete> Screw that noise ;)
[12:54:12] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is a dupa head
[12:54:18] <MacGalempsy> laters everyone
[12:55:00] <FinboySlick> I think BeachBumPete takes offense to any accoustic remake ;)
[12:56:34] <BeachBumPete> Hehe
[12:57:59] <BeachBumPete> Well my wife is on her way home for lunch with my van so I can grab my trailer and go get the rest of my stuff out of storage today. Moving is a bitch sometimes..
[12:59:55] <BeachBumPete> Speaking of accoustic I wonder how my home stereo system is gonna sound in the new house hehehe
[12:59:58] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i'd like to i saw them talkin on the ML
[12:59:58] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/schaben/fuehrung1.png
[13:00:05] <_methods> where is it going to be at this year
[13:00:13] <Sync> sad looking lower part of my lathes dovetail :/
[13:04:58] <t12> sweet
[13:05:25] <t12> me and a friend just won one of yuri gagarins flight maps
[13:07:53] <t12> http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23378/lot/12/?category=list&length=10&page=2
[13:07:55] <t12> that went suprisingly cheap
[13:41:17] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-18.jpg
[13:41:30] <JT-Shop> only took 25 gallons of hydraulic oil to get that done
[13:43:00] <cradek> you know, that stuff is supposed to recirculate...
[13:43:43] <JT-Shop> normally till you blow a hose and a 3/4 main supply hose can empty a lot of oil quick
[13:43:51] <cradek> yikes
[13:44:12] <JT-Shop> one o-ring took 10 gallons to fill it back up
[13:44:27] <JT-Shop> I didn't want to reuse the dirty oil
[13:45:06] <JT-Shop> but now the hoe has all new tires and mostly new hydraulic hoses :)
[13:45:08] * Loetmichel s friend had a backhoe we eventually switched to rapeseed oil
[13:45:44] <Loetmichel> because it lost so much whily working that we could keep up with disposing of the contaminated oil ;)
[13:45:46] <Loetmichel> soil
[13:45:56] <Loetmichel> couldnt
[13:46:08] <cradek> then you could make french fries with the leaked oil
[13:47:09] <JT-Shop> and get your daily dose of iron
[13:47:53] <Loetmichel> it was cheaper to buy that old digger, free the big house down to its cellar foundation of soil, insulate the house with 20cm styrofoam and tar paint, put the soil back in and sell the backhoe with some small profit... than to rent a backhoe for 3 months... ;)
[13:48:03] <Loetmichel> even if you calculate the fuel and oil we used
[14:01:14] <FloppyDisk> JT - you forgot the offroad RC jumps and berms. Too smooth!
[14:20:45] <JT-Shop> you cursed me now it's raining
[14:34:20] <JT-Shop> crap my 2x2x30 stock was not straight so my slot is not straight either
[14:41:08] <JT-Shop> the stock is the correct dimension 2x2 but not straight on the X axis
[14:41:18] * JT-Shop ponders how he might fix that
[14:54:19] <JT-Shop> the stock has 0.014" bow in the middle...
[15:17:40] <tiwake> dododo
[15:19:10] <quitte> Hi. Is the toggle module broken or am I doing something wrong? If I look at toggle.0.in with hal meter it goes on and off in sync with my pushbutton. however toggle.0.out never changes
[15:23:30] <cradek> usually a dead component means you forgot to add its function to a thread
[15:33:36] <quitte> cradek: I'm talking about the piece of software that loadrt toggle count=1 gave mme
[15:34:59] <quitte> okay I guess you understood that. I put it in custom_postgui.hal for my machine
[15:36:00] <CaptHindsight> _methods: Stuarts place in Wichita
[15:38:15] <CaptHindsight> t12: I want the SOVIET SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE ENGINE
[15:39:15] <cradek> quitte: did you addf?
[15:39:51] <quitte> I did not. off to google I go
[15:41:38] <CaptHindsight> t12: since you can never trust the Russians how do you know it's legitimate space stuff?
[15:41:41] <quitte> okay. so how do I show a list of available threads?
[15:43:36] <cradek> quitte:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_addf
[15:43:58] <cradek> quitte: you might want to look through the whole basic hal page
[15:53:17] <CaptHindsight> who has the deals on TIG welding rods?
[15:55:06] <Tom_shop> how odd
[15:55:23] <Tom_itx> never got an irc screen on login
[15:55:55] <Tom_itx> wtf
[15:56:46] <quitte> cradek: thanks, got it. Unfortunately google found the 2.4 docs for me so it took a bit longer. machine-on-off now works via the joypads start button
[15:57:12] <cradek> quitte: up-to-date docs link is always at the top of the front page of linuxcnc.org
[16:03:56] <CaptHindsight> Enco will become MSC in late August 2016
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPAGE?PMPAGE=enco_announcement.html
[16:04:08] <cradek> already done
[16:04:25] <cradek> if you go through an arduous sign-up program, you get a permanent (?) discount to make the prices more like enco
[16:04:43] <cradek> they sent me a baffling multi-page set of instructions
[16:04:46] <cradek> I eventually got it to work
[16:05:03] <cradek> now all the prices are reduced by 30% or somesuch
[16:05:25] <CaptHindsight> just comparing welding rod prices
[16:07:55] <CaptHindsight> hmm prices are higher at MSC.com
[16:08:54] <XXCoder> its always higher there
[16:10:38] <cradek> give me your msc part number
[16:17:22] <cradek> forget it, I can't seem to log in
[16:17:24] * cradek shrugs
[16:17:37] <CaptHindsight> it's ok, ordering from Enco
[16:17:55] <CaptHindsight> huh these guys seem to be lower priced
http://store.cyberweld.com/tigwire.html
[16:18:14] <XXCoder> heh some websites if issue appears, it can cost company million dollar for each minute login dont work for example
[16:18:57] <XXCoder> thats why some sites has not only massive server setup with 2 backup power sources, but also hot off site backup with its own 2 backup power sources, ready to insantly take ovr
[16:19:27] <XXCoder> 5 9s uptimes is very expensive, but not as expensive as downtime
[16:21:38] <SpeedEvil> Some seem to aim for 0.5 9s.
[16:21:54] <XXCoder> lol yeah if not very critical
[16:22:06] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking at you pokego
[16:22:20] <XXCoder> ouch
[16:22:26] <XXCoder> so its down a lot eh
[16:22:30] <XXCoder> cant play offline?
[16:22:39] <SpeedEvil> nope
[16:23:04] <XXCoder> heh I plan to try this weekend. I have HUGE battery pack so I should be able to walk around for hours.
[16:23:23] <SpeedEvil> It's odd, because it is damn near perfectly segmentable - as it's GPS based and you can't interact with players >300m away
[16:23:54] <SpeedEvil> A company with a clue, and the willingness to press 'go' on AWS, and you should have no problem if everyone with a phone decides to play
[16:24:48] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:38] <cradek> haha on mscdirect you get "You have exceeded our limit for failed login attempts" after a while, and their rep says you can close and reopen your browser to reset it
[16:28:52] <SpeedEvil> wow
[16:28:57] <SpeedEvil> Security.
[16:29:12] <SpeedEvil> very cookie.
[16:29:13] <XXCoder> fancy security.
[16:29:14] <cradek> and if you request a new password it changes it on your account and sends it in plaintext in email
[16:29:35] <XXCoder> insecure by design
[16:29:37] <XXCoder> laters
[16:36:06] <cradek> ok I got logged in to their so very secure site
[16:51:06] <CaptHindsight> cradek: just for the heck of it ENCO 337-8667 $16.53 ea and $20.77 ea. at MSC
[16:51:20] <CaptHindsight> what do you get for a price?
[17:06:55] <FloppyDisk> I was wondering why I haven't rec'd any Enco 'special' sale deals lately. Checked spam and not there...
[17:07:07] <FloppyDisk> So, I went to enco facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/EncoTools/?ref=br_rs
[17:07:13] <FloppyDisk> ENCO will become MSC!!!!
[17:07:58] <FloppyDisk> August 2016... That probably explains the $25% off and free shipping from enco. Should've spent like mad a few months ago...
[17:09:17] <FloppyDisk> maybe you already knew that...
[17:24:52] <CaptHindsight> ends up MSC was 10% lower priced after all the shipping and discounts
[17:41:46] <tcurdt> Newbie in need for some wisdom for building my first CNC: How much torque should steppers/servos have for milling aluminium?
[17:44:12] <cpresser> how fast do you want to cut?
[17:44:31] <CaptHindsight> tcurdt: what is your lead/ball screw pitch?
[17:46:59] <tcurdt> CaptHindsight I have literally *nothing* yet. I am reading and studying various designs. That's about it.
[17:47:48] <tcurdt> cpresser It'll be a hobby machine ... as fast as I can - but no particular speed in mind
[17:48:03] <CaptHindsight> tcurdt: then you to read and see
http://machinedesign.com/technologies/linear-motion and watch these 40 videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWMdZZaHwI&list=PL3D4EECEFAA99D9BE
[17:49:41] <tcurdt> CaptHindsight I will - thanks! :)
[17:50:42] <Tom_itx> 99°
[17:51:27] <tcurdt> CaptHindsight will those also answer the question of torque?
[17:53:00] <tcurdt> Also struggling in making a call on whether to use ball screws vs rack and pinion
[17:53:01] <CaptHindsight> tcurdt: yes, you should be able to answer your own question after as well as understand how to approach machine design
[17:53:56] <tcurdt> CaptHindsight is there anywhere else I could go to ask people with more experience on such things?
[17:54:54] <CaptHindsight> tcurdt: MIT, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Purdue, NASA etc
[17:55:59] <tcurdt> ;)
[17:56:00] <CaptHindsight> and probabaly a few hundred threads on cnczone.com
[17:57:04] <CaptHindsight> try the Google: cnc mill motor sizing site:www.cnczone.com
[18:01:08] <enleth> tcurdt: you could build a working CNC machine with rack and pinion axes but you probably don't want to
[18:03:01] <cradek> CaptHindsight: on my "special" enco-discounted msc account I get 20.77-5.19 = 15.58
[18:03:27] <enleth> besides, a double helical rack and pinion, the only type actually suitable for such a weird use case, is easily going to be as expensive as a ballscrew
[18:06:38] <JT-Shop> I came up with 3 possible solutions to the bent 2x2x30 die holder #3 worked... straighten it in the press... while doing that the check valve for the high pressure side failed...
[18:07:05] <tcurdt> enleth Could you expand on the "you probably don't want to"? I saw people "upgrading" to rack and pinion - hence the question.
[18:07:13] <tcurdt> Right now my gut tells me ballscrews on all axis - but I am curious.
[18:07:36] <tcurdt> (of course the size of the machine is a factor)
[18:10:24] <enleth> tcurdt: AFAIK rack and pinion makes sense for very big machines that don't easily accomodate screws running through the underside of the axis body and/or need very fast movement
[18:10:48] <enleth> and I guess it might be cheaper as you go up in size
[18:11:40] <enleth> screws do have a practical working length limit for a given thickness, they will sag and whip around if this is exceeded
[18:12:24] <tcurdt> enleth but for a smaller machine (say 1m x 0.7m) you would also lean towards screws?
[18:12:26] <CaptHindsight> cradek: thats what I got off after using their discount code and ordering >$150
[18:13:17] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Benchtop-English-Wheel/T25101 ?
[18:13:34] <enleth> tcurdt: I assume you're talking about a gantry milling plotter?
[18:18:46] <enleth> tcurdt: quick googling shows that rack and pinion drive suppliers recommend their products for axes 120cm long and higher, noting that there are no gains for the higher cost on a shorter run
[18:18:59] <tcurdt> enleth I am still back and forth on the fix/moving gantry - but from what I've seen/read it sounds like a moving gantry might be the better choice ... but - yeah
[18:21:14] <tcurdt> enleth got a link?
[18:22:09] <enleth> first off the results:
http://www.cncrouterparts.com/which-is-better-a-screw-or-rack-and-pinion-drive-p-99.html
[18:23:41] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Looks hard to make yourself for the price
[18:24:18] <enleth> interestingly, they make straight geared racks and pinions
[18:24:40] <enleth> I wonder how much backlash is introduced in that
[19:06:28] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you're sure having your share of hydraulic issues this week
[20:27:03] <zeeshan> hi
[20:28:04] <Tom_itx> hey
[20:31:53] <Valen> anybody heard of / used these guys before?
https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[20:38:33] <zeeshan> sup
[20:38:34] <zeeshan> :)
[20:38:54] <Tom_itx> just re'arranging some hdd here
[20:40:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/LkqePxF.png
[20:40:44] <zeeshan> i gotta make this
[20:40:51] <zeeshan> for my rx7's right hand side exhaust
[20:40:59] <zeeshan> damn complex piece made out of 1/16 304 stainless
[20:41:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/odGJExL.jpg
[20:41:40] <Tom_itx> just print one from SS
[20:42:10] <Tom_itx> the lab could fix you right up for a price
[20:43:05] <zeeshan> yea like 2000
[20:43:06] <zeeshan> lol
[20:44:04] <Tom_itx> is the area the same on each outlet?
[20:44:10] <Tom_itx> oval vs round
[20:44:11] <zeeshan> ya
[20:44:38] <Tom_itx> so smash some tubing
[20:44:48] <zeeshan> thats not hard
[20:44:51] <zeeshan> its the transition thats hard
[20:45:21] <Tom_itx> why did you make it so difficult?
[20:45:30] <zeeshan> hush
[20:45:38] <zeeshan> it is what is needed
[20:45:55] <Tom_itx> can't be round until you get to the oval end?
[20:45:58] <zeeshan> no
[20:46:02] <zeeshan> clearance issues
[20:46:07] <Tom_itx> beat the fender out silly
[20:46:14] <zeeshan> it took me 2 months
[20:46:19] <zeeshan> of on and off thinking to get to this
[20:46:19] <zeeshan> lol
[20:46:23] <zeeshan> before it was impossible
[20:47:01] <zeeshan> hm
[20:47:03] <zeeshan> i think it just came to me
[20:47:04] <zeeshan> lol
[20:47:17] <zeeshan> just construct it from multiple tube
[20:49:03] <CaptHindsight> Valen: yes, they make the motors with integrated drives
[20:49:15] <CaptHindsight> supposedly the way of the future
[20:49:24] <Valen> CaptHindsight: looks like they sell bare motors too
[20:50:09] <CaptHindsight> I've had them quote me before but I needed motors faster than they could make
[20:50:19] <CaptHindsight> higher rpm
[20:50:23] <Valen> I want something I can hang off an 8i20
[20:50:31] <Valen> without spending squillions
[20:51:04] <Valen> any suggestions?
[20:51:07] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how is your winter going?
[20:51:26] <Valen> it was kind of cold last week?
[20:51:37] <Valen> raining all this weeks
[20:52:00] <CaptHindsight> valen what power and rpm?
[20:52:13] <Valen> well that's an interesting question lol
[20:52:24] <Valen> Is there really such a thing as too big?
[20:52:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdikHRXnAs andy posted this
[20:52:52] <CaptHindsight> those washer motors are cheap here
[20:52:53] <Valen> yeah, but he's a nutter lol
[20:53:05] <Valen> nah I was going to get a propper servo motor
[20:53:24] <CaptHindsight> ebay for anything remotely low cost
[20:53:42] <Valen> doesn't have to be "low cost" also ebay australia has *nothing*
[20:54:10] <Valen> but I want to avoid spending $1000 on a motor
[20:54:15] <CaptHindsight> ChinaCo
[20:55:44] <Valen> magmotor weren't too bad last I looked
[20:56:15] <Valen> is there such a thing as a motor that's too big? There seems to be much talk about inertia matching of things
[20:57:38] <Valen> got pricing on teknic bare motors
http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/hiejhcig.png
[20:58:02] <Valen> https://www.teknic.com/products/hudson-motors/pricing-specs-hudson-motors/
[20:58:05] <Valen> which is quite ok
[21:16:49] <Frank_12> anyone built an epoxy granite machine base or similar?
[21:20:57] <Tom_itx> pretty sure valen has
[21:23:41] <zeeshan> arent those called cmm :)
[21:23:42] <zeeshan> sa
[21:25:07] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/r8BxY
[21:25:13] <zeeshan> looks like ill either be machining these out of billet
[21:25:17] <zeeshan> or making a die
[21:25:20] <zeeshan> 2 dies
[21:30:44] <Tom_itx> just smash it and bend it into shape
[21:32:16] <CaptHindsight> Frank_12: what do you need to know?
[21:33:54] <Frank_12> neh, i am gathering information and designing my next project, cnc mill. i was reading on the web and i thought maybe someone here already tryed it
[21:35:21] <Frank_12> i was planning on making it fully steel welded plate 1 1/2 inch plate but here its not that common that thickness, so i thought that maybe if i fabricate everything with 3/4 inch plate and then fill in the structure with epoxy granite
[21:35:32] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you worked with .0625 stainless?!?
[21:35:34] <zeeshan> not going to happen :P
[21:35:39] <zeeshan> if youre going to smash it
[21:35:43] <zeeshan> it still needs a shape to smash to
[21:37:09] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[21:37:39] <Tom_itx> wonder if a hydropress would work on SS
[21:37:44] <zeeshan> will
[21:37:52] <CaptHindsight> Frank_12: it works very well when properly done
[21:37:53] <zeeshan> but not sure how to get this shape :P
[21:38:08] <Tom_itx> 2 halves like you drew
[21:38:13] <Tom_itx> i dunno...
[21:38:39] <Frank_12> capthindsight: yeah they say the best machines are made on epoxy granite bases
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> i was thinking machining these would be easy
[21:39:50] <zeeshan> but nope :P
[21:39:55] <zeeshan> that'd still require custom soft jaws
[21:39:59] <CaptHindsight> Frank_12:
http://www.mech.utah.edu/~me7960/lectures/Topic14-DesignOfMachineStructures.pdf
[21:40:11] <Frank_12> hehe i read that a couple times
[21:40:32] <CaptHindsight> so there you go
[21:40:33] <Frank_12> wops, sry not that one
[21:40:43] <Frank_12> looking good, thanks!
[21:40:51] <Tom_itx> have it cast
[21:41:32] <zeeshan> still needs a die :P
[21:41:34] <zeeshan> which i guess i have
[21:41:47] <zeeshan> shrug :P
[21:42:25] <CaptHindsight> this welder is so easy to work on
https://ibin.co/2olxNlZNDKWB.jpg
[21:42:42] <Tom_itx> use your skilz on a 5 axis and hog the whole thing out
[21:42:49] <zeeshan> haha
[21:42:53] <zeeshan> i wish i had a 5 axis
[21:42:57] <zeeshan> we wouldnt have having this conversation!
[21:43:19] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/2olxkFJKyRSF.jpg
[21:43:27] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: looks chinese :)
[21:43:38] <Tom_itx> we did an aluminum blower intake that way once
[21:43:52] <Tom_itx> like 8" long endmills
[21:43:56] <zeeshan> jeez
[21:44:02] <zeeshan> that must cost $$$
[21:44:12] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/2oly1PyTawbs.jpg
[21:44:12] <Tom_itx> wasn't my dime
[21:44:18] <zeeshan> i mean the intake
[21:44:37] <Tom_itx> i think it was a midnight auto type job
[21:45:13] <Tom_itx> the guy was a programmer also
[21:45:21] <Tom_itx> so he wrote all the code for it
[21:45:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan:
http://i.imgur.com/odGJExL.jpg isn't that going to melt?
[21:45:38] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: was a test piece
[21:45:39] <Tom_itx> surfcam iirc
[21:45:40] <zeeshan> to se if it works
[21:45:47] <zeeshan> *physically fits
[21:46:10] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you waited 2 months to print that? :)
[21:46:26] <zeeshan> nah 2 months of thinking in the background
[21:46:31] <zeeshan> on how to even come up w/ an exhaust piece
[21:46:34] <zeeshan> its very tight
[21:46:49] <zeeshan> hard to see it in pictures
[21:46:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8kXaXZQ.jpg
[21:47:02] <zeeshan> there is a stering rack in the way
[21:47:05] <zeeshan> and exhaust manifold
[21:47:14] <zeeshan> the space between the frame and the exhaust manifold is 2.25"
[21:47:31] <zeeshan> then there is an engine mount in the way too
[21:47:50] <zeeshan> other side was a lot easier
[21:47:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JCnBNXo.jpg
[21:47:55] <zeeshan> took 3 hours to make
[21:47:59] <zeeshan> or tack together i mean
[21:48:19] <Tom_itx> don't you wish it was as easy to make the parts as it is to draw them?
[21:48:31] <zeeshan> this one yes
[21:48:32] <zeeshan> lol
[21:48:49] <zeeshan> i was looking at 3d printing this out of stainless
[21:48:51] <zeeshan> 3500$
[21:48:51] <zeeshan> lol
[21:48:54] <zeeshan> F that.
[21:49:07] <Tom_itx> it's a racecar...
[21:49:07] <CaptHindsight> investment cast
[21:49:09] <Tom_itx> just pay up
[21:49:11] <zeeshan> i'd prolly break that shit
[21:49:18] <zeeshan> with the first weld i do on it
[21:50:05] <Valen> Frank_12:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorised-metalworking-machines/118358-phenolic-basalt-head-hm45.html
[21:50:05] <CaptHindsight> SLA print the water soluble pattern, coat with investment, rinse out pattern, cast
[21:50:19] <zeeshan> capt will you melt me some stainless? :D
[21:50:25] <Tom_itx> hah
[21:50:40] <zeeshan> casting thin wall parts is hard
[21:51:31] <Tom_itx> edm
[21:51:46] <CaptHindsight> make it beefier
[21:51:55] <Tom_itx> probably less practical than 3d printing it
[21:52:31] <Frank_12> that looks like some heavy serious S%@#
[21:52:42] <zeeshan> ill let it sit in my head for another 2 weeks
[21:52:46] <zeeshan> when i come back from vacation
[21:52:48] <zeeshan> it'll be ther e:P
[21:54:48] <Tom_itx> dammit, this drive doesn't wanna clone right
[21:57:37] <Tom_itx> what if you welded the corner up
[21:58:44] <Tom_itx> the 2nd drawing you posted, make some tube oval shape and cut the radius off each side and form them to your shape
[21:58:51] <Tom_itx> weld in the flat sections you need
[22:49:39] <Tom_itx> i bet BeachBumPete could weld it up
[22:58:33] <BeachBumPete> LOL
[23:04:34] <Tom_itx> http://imgur.com/a/r8BxY
[23:10:31] <BeachBumPete> whose is that?
[23:11:20] <Tom_itx> zee
[23:11:38] <BeachBumPete> I thought I recognized the hobbit fingers ;)
[23:11:41] <Tom_itx> he was trying to figure out how to make it earlier
