#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-07-16

[00:00:11] <roycroft> erdogon flew back to istanbul and took control of things
[00:00:28] <CaptHindsight> Turkey is part of NATO
[00:00:36] <roycroft> appently it was a mid-level coup - colonels and the like, not generals
[00:00:59] <XXCoder> why did they try it anyway?
[00:01:00] <roycroft> the us has bases in turkey
[00:01:02] <XXCoder> just power?
[00:01:09] <CaptHindsight> not great to be negotiating with the Ruskies over Syria and have this Happen now
[00:01:13] <roycroft> erdogon is rather autocratic
[00:01:17] <roycroft> semi theocratic
[00:01:28] <roycroft> the turkish military are notoriously secular
[00:01:37] <CaptHindsight> lots of Muslims
[00:01:45] <roycroft> lots of not muslims too
[00:01:50] <CaptHindsight> build a wall, problem solved :)
[00:01:51] <roycroft> turkey has been a mess for centuries
[00:02:04] <XXCoder> yeah build wall around Trump
[00:02:07] <roycroft> a country that spans two continents
[00:02:22] <CaptHindsight> Turkey doesn't like the Kurds
[00:02:26] <XXCoder> roycroft: really? interesting
[00:02:43] <CaptHindsight> so the mess extends to the surrounding Kurdish regions
[00:02:44] <roycroft> istnanbul spans two continents
[00:02:51] <roycroft> only city in in the world that does so
[00:02:56] <roycroft> istanbul
[00:03:07] <roycroft> which was constantinople
[00:03:08] <CaptHindsight> they don't want the Kurds to get their own sovereign country
[00:03:10] <roycroft> but it's istanbul
[00:03:13] <roycroft> not constantinople
[00:03:29] <roycroft> that's why the turk sided with the iraqis
[00:03:40] <roycroft> they wanted to suppres the iraqi kurts
[00:03:43] <roycroft> kurds
[00:03:49] * roycroft cannot type tonight
[00:04:08] <CaptHindsight> the Turds are even more feared :)
[00:05:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.geocities.ws/humorbynutty/cruelshoes1.html scroll down to the Turds
[00:07:14] <XXCoder> oh brother :P
[01:43:29] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.io/project/10433-sienci-mill-one-simplifying-desktop-cnc-milling
[01:43:33] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:21:57] <XXCoder> lol so useless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wjDe36uzs4
[02:23:29] <XXCoder> very safe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr23REjhIGc
[02:23:31] <XXCoder> lol
[02:54:15] <Deejay> moin
[02:54:23] <XXCoder> yo
[02:54:31] <Deejay> :)
[03:44:07] <yasnak> where could I find some decently priced minature/smaller STAINLESS STEEL vice/workholding? Need something somewhat accurate for EDM, don't feel like making them heh
[03:44:30] <yasnak> miniature*
[03:44:36] <XXCoder> drill press vice
[03:46:41] <yasnak> yeah, problem is that they're not normally stainless
[03:48:28] <XXCoder> oh missed that requirement
[03:48:31] <XXCoder> though why?
[03:50:14] <yasnak> edm
[03:50:19] <yasnak> rust
[03:50:30] <yasnak> looking into aluminum now
[03:51:01] <XXCoder> hmm aluminium is usually pretty good, unless you use hmm that metal, that metal causes aluminium to be unable to coat itself with oxide
[03:51:05] <yasnak> bought this....http://www.edm-products.com/4000/
[03:51:08] <yasnak> cost 15k
[03:51:37] <XXCoder> wow
[03:52:26] <yasnak> came with basically the two permanent rails, two adjustable rails, a mini vice and a mini-pallet jig. if I had known my boss was being dumb I woulda bought the 420 SS myself and did it. jeeez, thats the business to be in lol
[03:55:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:10:19] <XXCoder> jeeeez
[04:10:21] <XXCoder> https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/754199854532866048
[04:20:30] <renesis> omfg
[04:20:47] <XXCoder> yeah that one must be rare.
[04:21:52] <XXCoder> I wouldnt drive anywhere though, just walk
[04:34:05] <yasnak> lol
[04:34:10] <yasnak> this is life now
[04:34:17] <XXCoder> welcome to 10s
[06:04:31] <jthornton> morning
[06:04:45] <XXCoder> yo
[06:04:48] <Sync> lo
[06:07:22] <jthornton> did you see the press brake?
[06:07:32] <XXCoder> I saw tools for it
[06:07:57] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-01.jpg
[06:08:17] <jthornton> all I need to do is take out the unnecessary parts
[06:08:27] <Sync> ah nice
[06:08:39] <Sync> although I kinda prefer the PU lower dies
[06:09:05] <jthornton> found a place to get the punch and die at a reasonable cost so I said what the heck build one
[06:09:17] <jthornton> PU?
[06:11:29] <SpeedEvil> polyurethane?
[06:14:27] <Sync> yes
[06:14:54] <Sync> there are http://image.thefabricator.com/a/articles/photos/249/fig2.jpg those things
[06:15:32] <jthornton> I'll be darn never seen them before
[06:16:03] <jthornton> do they just fit in a U shaped holder and deform as you press the punch in?
[06:16:07] <Sync> yes
[06:16:47] <Sync> the nice thing is that you can all sorts of radii on the upper die
[06:18:01] <jthornton> this is what I'm building http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/Press%20Brake.JPG
[06:18:18] <jthornton> would those dies work with modifications to the lower holder?
[06:18:36] <Sync> you can just mill another lower die insert
[06:18:37] <jthornton> right now the press is for one job to press a 90 in 11ga
[06:23:01] <jthornton> http://www.thefabricator.com/article/bending/urethane-tooling-for-radius-bending-on-press-brakes
[06:23:38] <XXCoder> urethane is everywhere
[07:16:28] <Loetmichel> *hrrrmpf*... seems i waited to long to reboot after the last windows updade had run... did it now. System back up, first thing to notice is a bubble notifier: "you have 7 new updates pending"... ;)
[07:17:34] <XXCoder> yaaaaay
[07:17:49] <XXCoder> so glad linux USUALLY dont need reboot for updates
[07:28:11] <jthornton> hmm I can create the widgets on the fly now to finger out how to use them with a variable name
[07:28:47] <jthornton> maybe that is where I use exec()
[07:47:23] <Loetmichel> hmm. on that account: my CNC at the company is nagging me with "updates will install/remove programs. Shall i do a save upgrade?".. is that safe to do? used the first debian life cd to install that machine
[08:41:47] <jthornton> wow got it to work
[08:47:01] <skunkworks_> jthornton, what are you working on?
[09:05:30] <JT-Shop> a python program to create configurations for 2.8
[09:06:15] * archivist hopes it reads the actual ini/hal instead of its own
[09:06:34] <JT-Shop> that's the idea I hope
[09:07:13] <JT-Shop> at this point when you pick a card or parallel port it shows the image with the connector or pin names
[09:07:30] <archivist> parsing might be "interesting" and either keeping the order or fixing the order
[09:08:30] <JT-Shop> I've done the ini parsing before and order doesn't matter
[09:09:26] <archivist> does a bit in the hal though
[09:12:14] <JT-Shop> my thoughts at this point is not to over write the ini file unless changes are made in the wizard but not loose other stuff
[09:12:32] <JT-Shop> the main hal file will prob get over written
[09:13:44] <JT-Shop> the configuration pages will be built on the fly when you pick a daughter card
[09:14:09] <archivist> you can stor the old as a .hbk1,2,3,4 etc
[09:15:06] <JT-Shop> yea that's a good idea, save a backup copy
[09:15:39] <JT-Shop> I can get a screen shot of the GUI if anyone is interested
[09:16:13] <archivist> a series of backups so user can udo his cockups
[09:16:31] <Tom_itx> swampeast Mo looks dry today
[09:17:17] <JT-Shop> yea I hope to finish the big dig this weekend... not much left
[09:17:46] <archivist> keep digging till you strike oil....profit
[09:18:05] <Tom_itx> only thing you'll find in Mo is ticks
[09:18:14] <JT-Shop> had some heavy rain over the 4th that really messed me up
[09:18:33] <JT-Shop> drain plugged up and I got some wash out on the back fill part
[09:18:42] <JT-Shop> and chiggers
[09:24:07] <Tom_itx> anyone ever use one of those hdd adapters from pata to sata or vise versa?
[09:24:32] <Tom_itx> i need a sata to pata with drive select
[09:24:35] <Tom_itx> for an old pc
[09:24:43] <Tom_itx> wanna see if i can use a ssd on it
[09:25:27] <Tom_itx> i've got the adapters going both directions but not sure about the CS
[09:26:36] <enleth> many late PATA drives didn't need the drive select jumper, they figured it out themselves, maybe this adapter does the same thing
[09:26:59] <enleth> there's no way to know other than checking it
[09:27:03] <Tom_itx> the pc is very old, it needs a jumper or cable to select it
[09:27:18] <Tom_itx> i realize that, just asking about experience with it
[09:28:36] <archivist> I got one...never used it
[09:29:05] <Tom_itx> i've got such a variety of systems they come in rather handy
[09:35:37] <enleth> Tom_itx: the "cable select" feature is dependent on the drives and the ribbon cable, not the host
[09:36:29] <Tom_itx> i never bothered to figure out the ribbon pinout for master / slave. maybe i should look into that
[09:36:51] <enleth> so if the adapter is permanently set to "cable select", and the cable wires pin 28 correctly, it should select master/slave properly
[09:36:52] <Tom_itx> i did find the jumpers for 2.5" drives though
[09:36:59] <Tom_itx> even though most don't use any
[09:37:37] <Tom_itx> i had trouble with this pc using cable select i know, i ended up having to use jumpers on the drives
[09:37:57] <enleth> that may be the cable's fault
[09:38:04] <Tom_itx> possibly
[09:38:11] <Tom_itx> i've got plenty of those to test with
[09:38:13] <enleth> FYI PATA cable headers are not normal IDC-40 headers, they have some PATA-specific internal connections
[09:38:31] <enleth> and all three on a cable are not identical
[09:38:32] <Tom_itx> which is the master? the last one in the chain or the one in the middle?
[09:38:37] <enleth> the middle
[09:38:40] <Tom_itx> ok
[09:41:17] <Tom_itx> some of them use a different color connector for the pc side
[09:41:35] <Tom_itx> or a greater distance between plugs to the first one
[09:42:07] <enleth> yes, usually the blue is the host connector
[09:50:00] <Loetmichel> enleth: normal 40 pin pata are normal 40 pin idc40. there are some pata cables out there with 80 wires tho
[09:50:18] <Loetmichel> those headers are special as they connect every second line to ground
[09:52:08] <varesa> is mesanet.com out for everybody?
[09:52:28] <varesa> well pointing to a generic thing with a few "related links"
[09:54:26] <enleth> Loetmichel: cable crimps for pin 34 and 28 are conditionally missing on those, so not completely normal
[09:55:33] <Loetmichel> enleth: not on all
[09:57:49] <varesa> anybody have mesa 7i78 manual?
[09:58:39] <enleth> Loetmichel: could be, but this will screw up the "cable select" on the drives, I'm not sure if such a cable would be up to the specs
[09:58:49] <enleth> maybe some very old ATA versions or something
[09:59:36] <Tom_itx> the 80 wire ones are staggered ground aren't they?
[09:59:42] <enleth> yes
[10:00:20] <enleth> the signal wiring is identical, just more ground wires to enable higher speeds with less crosstalk
[10:01:27] <Tom_itx> yep
[10:01:40] <enleth> and slightly different grounding rules for pin 34 AFAIR, to allow detection of an 80 conductor cable
[10:01:57] <Tom_itx> varesa, you can likely download it off the mesa site
[10:02:28] <varesa> Tom_itx: can't access mesanet.com, maybe their domain has expired?
[10:03:28] <enleth> uh, yeah, it does seem like an expired domain
[10:03:28] <varesa> or rather the page at that domain is not theirs
[10:03:31] <malcom2073> pcw_home: PCW_ ping
[10:03:39] <Tom_itx> so i see
[10:05:10] <enleth> interesting, whois data looks as if it was renewed two days ago
[10:05:20] <enleth> the current expiration date is 2017-07-14
[10:05:48] <enleth> yet it's still listed as pending renewal or deletion
[10:06:03] <Tom_itx> doesn't look like jt sells those
[10:06:30] <enleth> maybe that's some Network Solutions weirdness
[10:06:59] <Tom_itx> it's a temporary thing
[10:08:19] <enleth> what
[10:08:31] <Tom_itx> his site being down
[10:10:10] <pcw_home> looks like some DNS issue
[10:12:40] <pcw_home>
[10:13:16] <enleth> pcw_home: that's an understatement. the domain appears to be post-expiry and soon to be open for purchase, although whois lists a 2017 expiry date already, so Network Solutions might have fucked it up, I'd suggest calling them ASAP if the domain renewal was paid for
[10:14:38] <enleth> also, I'd suggest transferring the domain to gandi.net when it's all sorted out, they have a much better track record than NS, GoDaddy and the likes as far as such fuckups go
[10:17:57] <Frank_12> maybe someone knows: i sent to stress relief and machine a z axis (steel plate) before drilling everything for linear guides, does the drilling operation actually deform the 12mm thick (1/2inch) steel? 5mm holes by inducing stress
[10:19:07] <Tom_itx> it could
[10:19:45] <Tom_itx> less likely than machining a surface though
[10:19:52] <archivist> if the drill was blunt yes
[10:20:30] <archivist> but, iirc your measurements were reasonable after you got it back
[10:30:29] <pcw_home> Yeah it had expired, we get so much spam from NS we probably deleted the expiration notice
[10:32:41] <archivist> I got my expiration in a month notice followed in half an hour by the attempt to grab the money, in the middle on the night when asleep!
[10:33:36] <enleth> pcw_home: no idea what their policy is, but you still might be eligible for a right to renew it without risking someone else snatiching it - again, call them ASAP, then transfer it out to gandi
[10:34:45] <enleth> most of the "old" registrats are a buch of obnoxious corporate dinosaurs
[10:34:51] <enleth> *registrars
[10:35:31] <archivist> I am in rage at my ISP/phone companies over charging
[10:35:33] <pcw_home> it was no problem to renew so just did that
[10:36:04] <enleth> unfortunately, small businesses in the US still use them, usually not knowing any better, because there was no alternative years ago
[10:36:25] <enleth> pcw_home: good to hear that
[11:57:22] * roycroft loathes spamdaddy
[11:57:41] <roycroft> i am a registrar, btw
[11:57:59] <roycroft> and while i'm somewhat of a dinosaur, i'm not corporate and only occasionally obnoxious
[12:14:48] <JT-Shop> lol
[12:59:32] * Tom_itx gives BeachBumPete a 'homeless' sign to carry around
[13:04:37] <Duc> besides ebay, where is a good place to buy 1.5in x 10in x 12in 6061 plate
[13:05:23] <JT-Shop> amazon
[13:08:25] <Duc> Ill have to try that
[13:09:52] <Duc> shame I can afford Ti
[13:13:53] <malcom2073> If you're in the USA, metal shops
[13:14:19] <malcom2073> Get a relationship going with a local metal supplier. There's a big truck repair place near me that sells metal for stock prices
[13:40:23] <roycroft> shipping metal is expensive
[13:40:32] <roycroft> it's almost always better to go to a local purveyor than to order online
[13:40:55] <roycroft> not to mention the benefits of keeping one's money in the local economy
[13:44:34] <Duc> Ill have to email a local compnay I have done business with before
[13:44:42] <Duc> but my guy I think left the company
[14:41:10] <Tom_itx> Duc, swing by here.. i'm sure they have what you need: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
[14:42:00] <Duc> Tom_itx: where is it at
[14:42:07] <Tom_itx> where i live
[14:42:15] <Duc> which is
[14:42:20] <Tom_itx> wichita
[14:42:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/9.jpg
[14:42:47] <Tom_itx> they have a small assortment of roundbar too
[14:43:02] <Duc> I wish that was closer
[14:43:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/8.jpg
[14:43:20] <Deejay> ah, kansas!
[14:44:32] <Duc> I would be there in a heart beat
[14:46:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/7.jpg
[14:46:08] <Tom_itx> there's your plate
[14:47:27] <Tom_itx> the way shipping is nowdays it will cost you 2x what it's worth
[15:03:06] <Duc> all that plate looks sexy to me
[15:04:38] <Duc> I need to check with the local scrap yard but they dont look that organized
[15:41:30] <JT-Shop> geese it take longer to set up the job than run it...
[15:57:14] <enleth> JT-Shop: that's probably the greatest truism of metalworking
[15:57:22] <enleth> setup always takes longer than the job proper
[15:57:44] <enleth> and jigs take more machining to make than the actual part
[16:02:23] <JT-Shop> I usually make one offs so I'm always setting up
[16:02:48] <Roguish> ya pay for your thrills.....
[16:08:36] <JT-Shop> pretty much came out looking like the cad so I'm happy
[16:10:15] * JT-Shop thinks when these two parts are done so am I for the day
[16:14:20] <yasnak> I used the crap bobcam software crashing as a justification to a gtx 1080 for work computer. what a genius idea, this card is amazing
[16:18:14] <JT-Shop> you use bobcrap?
[16:18:38] <yasnak> boss got it because they had a sale and i needed some software for edm
[16:19:10] <yasnak> bobcad guy sold him on the most expensive version with multi-axis and shit. 8k or something. my boss is weird with money as i already had the delcam edm for 3k...
[16:19:24] <yasnak> so it sucks yeah, its not bad but has so many issues too. it could be awesome if it was stable.
[16:19:35] <JT-Shop> I feel for you having to use bobcrap
[16:19:40] <yasnak> omg
[16:19:47] <yasnak> they should include a daily 12 pack
[16:19:54] <yasnak> and hair restoration
[16:19:58] <JT-Shop> with an iv drip
[16:26:26] <yasnak> a wooden peg
[16:26:28] <yasnak> to sit on
[16:26:31] <yasnak> ok too far
[16:45:55] <JT-Shop> down stops done http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/press-brake-02.jpg
[16:48:57] <renesis> nice clamp collection
[16:52:02] <JT-Shop> thanks, I wish I could find all of them lol
[16:53:09] <enleth> JT-Shop: are you going to cut that into segments for a finger brake or keep it as a single piece?
[16:53:38] <JT-Shop> single piece, I have a box and pan brake but this is for a single part I'm making
[16:54:16] <enleth> any heat treatment after machining?
[16:54:23] <JT-Shop> no
[16:55:23] <JT-Shop> looking a photos of back stops now
[17:10:00] <JT-Shop> I think my idea for the back stop is wrong... need to be able to also bend on an angle...
[17:10:09] <JT-Shop> old one that is a POS http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/old-press-brake.jpg
[17:12:00] <Roguish> JT-Shop. like the press with the sheetmetal form thing in it.
[17:13:07] <Roguish> would it be ok if I use that photo to show my company owner what can be done with a simple H-frame press?
[17:14:23] <Roguish> the fab shop lead seems to be too closed minded to think of anything beyond what he's been doing for years. and is convince there is 'no room' for even a small press. there is room.
[17:15:58] <JT-Shop> sure but the press that is in the H frame is a crappy one, the one on the table will be a proper one
[17:16:20] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/press-brake/Press%20Brake.JPG
[17:16:28] <JT-Shop> that's what it will look like
[17:20:43] <Deejay> gn8
[17:31:17] <JT-Shop> did you see my foamy in the old brake photo?
[17:31:56] <Roguish> foamy? waz that?
[17:32:06] <Roguish> the plane?
[17:32:09] <Roguish> thing?
[17:35:34] <JT-Shop> http://www.twistedhobbys.com/TH-32-EPP-Edge-540-HB-RCF-32-EDGE-HOT-BLUE-04.htm
[17:35:34] <JT-Shop> watch the video
[17:35:54] <Roguish> nice
[17:36:06] <Roguish> another good distraction....
[17:36:57] <JT-Shop> I used to be heavy into RC some years back and gave it up, a buddy that I flew with every week in Lousiana found me on fakebook and now we are buddies again
[17:37:09] <JT-Shop> we still don't use fakebook just email lol
[23:24:36] <XXCoder> booo
[23:29:31] <tiwake> ponies
[23:31:57] <XXCoder> Titanium
[23:33:17] <tiwake> ponies made out of titanium
[23:33:38] <XXCoder> that booes at people
[23:33:57] <tiwake> sure, why not
[23:34:48] <tiwake> XXCoder: what kind of music do you like?
[23:35:05] <XXCoder> I like (music author not found)
[23:35:52] <tiwake> classical? electronic? rock? country? etc.
[23:36:07] <XXCoder> sure I like (music trope not found)
[23:36:29] <tiwake> party music?
[23:36:30] <tiwake> heh
[23:36:33] <tiwake> alright
[23:36:40] <XXCoder> heh honestly I have no music interest
[23:36:55] <XXCoder> not just because I am deaf, I know deaf people who love music
[23:37:13] <tiwake> you are deaf?
[23:37:17] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:37:58] <tiwake> :(
[23:40:04] <XXCoder> why?
[23:44:17] <XXCoder> why is you sad?
[23:45:14] <tiwake> cause deaf isnt fun :-/
[23:45:31] <XXCoder> heh its fine for me
[23:45:39] <XXCoder> its lack of smelling that affects me MUCH more
[23:47:26] <tiwake> ouch
[23:47:47] <XXCoder> in any case I just keep going
[23:48:01] <XXCoder> I have long list of health issues so whatever
[23:49:10] <tiwake> will wireshark show who is using bandwidth on the network?
[23:49:37] <yasnak> it will show packets of local devices and what they're doing
[23:49:57] <yasnak> not specifically how much bandwidth though, i mean you probably could but that's definitely not it's use.
[23:50:19] <tiwake> I have dd-wrt on my router... not really seeing how to tell what IP is using bandwidth
[23:51:21] <yasnak> yeah, wireshark would do that by sniffing and just looking at packet sizes i guess
[23:51:42] <yasnak> whats up? someone hogging all the interwebs?
[23:53:13] <tiwake> my network is pretty large
[23:53:19] <yasnak> ah, i hear ya
[23:53:21] <tiwake> covering 4 different buildings
[23:53:22] <yasnak> need to use vlans
[23:53:33] <yasnak> too much broadcast noise, you'll always have network issues
[23:55:09] <yasnak> our shop runs a /23 here