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[02:47:48] <Guest_84747> Allah is doing
[02:47:55] <Guest_84747> sun is not doing Allah is doing
[02:48:02] <Guest_84747> moon is not doing Allah is doing
[02:48:10] <Guest_84747> stars are not doing Allah is doing
[02:48:17] <Guest_84747> planets are not doing Allah is doing
[02:48:24] <Guest_84747> galaxies are not doing Allah is doing
[02:49:24] <Guest_84747> oceans are not doing Allah is doing
[02:49:33] <Guest_84747> mountains are not doing Allah is doing
[02:49:41] <Guest_84747> trees are not doing Allah is doing
[02:49:48] <Guest_84747> mom is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:01] <Guest_84747> dad is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:07] <Guest_84747> boss is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:14] <Guest_84747> job is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:22] <Guest_84747> dollar is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:31] <Guest_84747> degree is not doing Allah is doing
[02:50:38] <Guest_84747> medicine is not doing Allah is doing
[02:51:14] <Guest_84747> customers are not doing Allah is doing
[02:51:30] <Guest_84747> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
[02:52:02] <Guest_84747> you can not get married without the permission of allah
[02:52:25] <Guest_84747> nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
[02:52:39] <Guest_84747> light is not doing Allah is doing
[02:52:48] <Guest_84747> fan is not doing Allah is doing
[02:53:01] <Guest_84747> businessess are not doing Allah is doing
[02:53:07] <Guest_84747> america is not doing Allah is doing
[02:53:52] <Guest_84747> fire can not burn without the permission of allah
[02:54:08] <Guest_84747> knife can not cut without the permission of allah
[02:54:22] <Guest_84747> rulers are not doing Allah is doing
[02:54:35] <Guest_84747> governments are not doing Allah is doing
[02:54:46] <Guest_84747> sleep is not doing Allah is doing
[02:54:55] <Guest_84747> hunger is not doing Allah is doing
[02:55:17] <Guest_84747> food does not take away the hunger Allah takes away the hunger
[02:55:38] <Guest_84747> water does not take away the thirst Allah takes away the thirst
[02:55:46] <Guest_84747> seeing is not doing Allah is doing
[02:56:00] <Guest_84747> hearing is not doing Allah is doing
[02:56:09] <Guest_84747> seasons are not doing Allah is doing
[02:56:32] <Guest_84747> weather is not doing Allah is doing
[02:56:38] <Guest_84747> humans are not doing Allah is doing
[02:56:45] <Guest_84747> animals are not doing Allah is doing
[02:57:04] <Guest_84747> the best amongst you are those who learn and teach quran
[02:57:37] <Guest_84747> one letter read from book of Allah amounts to one good deed and Allah multiplies one good deed ten times
[02:58:16] <Guest_84747> hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of Quran and rememberance of death
[02:58:25] <Guest_84747> heart is likened to a mirror
[02:58:54] <Guest_84747> when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart
[03:00:14] <Guest_84747> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[03:00:30] <Guest_84747> read book
http://www.fazaileamaal.com
[03:00:50] <Guest_84747> read book
http://www.muntakhabahadith.com
[03:01:12] <Guest_84747> need spiritual teacher visit
http://www.alhaadi.org.za
[03:01:31] <Guest_84747> allah created the sky without any pillars
[03:01:55] <Guest_84747> allah makes the sun rise from the east and Allah makes the sun set in the west
[03:02:25] <Guest_84747> allah makes the day into the night and Allah makes the night into the day
[03:02:36] <Guest_84747> allah gives life and Allah gives death
[03:03:38] <Guest_84747> all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless
[03:03:43] <Guest_84747> can not do
[03:03:48] <Guest_84747> can not benefit
[03:03:52] <Guest_84747> can not harm
[03:04:01] <Guest_84747> allah is the doer of each and everything
[03:04:11] <Guest_84747> when Allah wants us to stand we stand
[03:04:19] <Guest_84747> when Allah wants us to sit we sit
[03:04:27] <FloppyDisk> Hmmpff, that ignore feature works pretty well...
[03:04:29] <Guest_84747> i am not doing Allah is doing
[03:04:42] <Guest_84747> you are not doing Allah is doing
[03:04:46] <pjm> FloppyDisk, yeah we just need a 'reality ignore' feature
[03:05:00] <Guest_84747> atom bomb is not doing Allah is doing
[03:05:42] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, it just hurts...
[03:06:18] <Guest_84747> rice is not doing Allah is doing
[03:06:38] <Guest_84747> all creation get together can not create one grain of rice
[03:07:16] <Guest_84747> all humans get together can not stop rain
[03:07:38] <pjm> Guest_84747, can you remove yourself from here and insert yourself into ##religion where someone might be interested
[03:09:07] <Guest_84747> all humans get together can not make anybody hungry
[03:10:17] <Guest_84747> all humans get together can not move sun one second up or down
[03:10:52] <Guest_84747> we can not count the hair on our head
[03:11:14] <Guest_84747> we can not count the rain drops
[03:11:33] <Guest_84747> we can not count the particles of sand
[03:13:20] <Guest_84747> medicine has no power to cure
[03:13:34] <Guest_84747> two people take same medicine one passes away and one does not
[03:13:46] <Guest_84747> degree has no power to give job
[03:14:03] <Guest_84747> many people have degrees but do not have jobs
[03:14:14] <Guest_84747> sustenance does not depend on effort
[03:14:37] <Guest_84747> one person is working very much but is earning very less
[03:15:07] <Guest_84747> other person is working very less but is earning very much
[03:18:50] <archivist> I had to ban this same idiot in another channel, have no ops in here :(
[03:20:04] <pjm> seems they need baning from humanity
[03:22:04] <archivist> yup
[03:45:34] <yasnak> either he has some proxy or whatever off someone in islamabad pakistan or thats his legit isp. heh
[03:55:31] <archivist> I never understand god pedlers, I get little old dears knock on my door, to you believe in jesus, he dead, I reply :)
[03:58:39] <yasnak> I think in due time religion will fade. The part that annoys me is when you have people freaking out implying that this country was founded on a religious basis and blah blah about Islam. The whole thing is one nice fairytale that some people took too far to control others and make money.
[03:59:01] <yasnak> *this country by USA, sorry. forget i'm on irc sometimes
[04:37:03] <enleth> andypugh: someone here liked laced cables, was that you?
[04:37:07] <enleth> andypugh:
https://youtu.be/CBFE-Bt7RjY?t=5m4s
[04:41:39] <XXCoder> hey all
[05:18:41] <jthornton> morning
[05:18:46] <XXCoder> yo
[05:25:54] <jthornton> I gotta get two more drain tiles put in today... before the rains come
[05:28:25] <XXCoder> lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE6TAvX18eA
[05:29:11] <XXCoder> its surpising funny movie made in game KSP
[05:39:27] <Deejay> moin
[05:39:57] <XXCoder> hey
[05:41:05] <jthornton> did you see the blast cabinet?
[05:41:18] <XXCoder> yeah saw your work on progress one
[05:41:39] <jthornton> finished up yesterday
[05:42:13] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2046.JPG
[05:42:34] <archivist> wotnobadge
[05:42:40] <XXCoder> ah painted and setup now. nice!
[05:43:03] <XXCoder> jthornton: do you use cheap thin plastic sheet for inside too?
[05:43:10] <XXCoder> I saw such setup and its amazing
[05:43:30] <XXCoder> MUCH cheaper to replace sheets as you go and keep real plastic window clean
[05:44:07] <jthornton> no plastic here, tempered glass with a screen deflector on the inside
[05:44:25] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2042.JPG
[05:45:20] <Deejay> yay
[05:45:31] <Deejay> when can i come to you and pick the blast cabinet up? ;)
[05:45:34] <XXCoder> jthornton: is that metal mesh screen?
[05:46:04] <jthornton> naw just fiberglass
[05:46:13] <jthornton> it's a wear item
[05:46:28] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:46:32] <XXCoder> it blocks sand?
[05:46:55] <Deejay> the glass of the window is also a wear item? ;)
[05:46:58] <jthornton> slows them down and blocks some, no sand blast media
[05:47:25] <XXCoder> Deejay: one at old work had plastic sheet protecting window
[05:47:38] <XXCoder> it lasts pretty good
[05:47:57] <Deejay> plexiglas?
[05:48:03] <Deejay> or polycarbonate?
[05:48:25] <XXCoder> no idea, looks like cheap thin sheet
[05:48:39] <jthornton> mine is tempered glass
[05:49:01] <XXCoder> the window itself looks like just clear plexglass
[05:49:10] <XXCoder> I guess orginial window got broken ages ago
[05:49:16] <Deejay> ah
[05:49:18] <XXCoder> or blasyed to death
[07:34:38] <jthornton> dang I finally figured out how to dynamically import a python module
[08:06:58] <trentster> Hi all - I want to add extra inputs to my setup for stuff like phsical buttons for cycle start and probe routines, I dont have many input pins left on my BOB - whats a good alternative to add inputs?
[08:10:16] <_methods> you probably want to start looking at something by mesa if you want more inputs
[08:10:27] <_methods> you can add daughter cards to increase your i/o
[08:11:14] <_abc_> Hello. How bad are the grinding wheel dressing diamond 'tee' things from alibaba in grit? I was hoping to use one as mill end resharpener/cleaner after grinding. Is it worth it?
[08:11:19] <trentster> _methods thanks - should _ be looking at something like a 5i20 plus a daughtercard
[08:11:23] <_methods> i'm sure pcw or jthornton would be able to help you select a card
[08:11:40] <trentster> ok thanks I will wait for them to chime in
[08:11:42] <BeachBumPete> gotta agree you would be hard pressed to find a solution that offers more input and output options than mesanet
[08:11:46] <_methods> i don't sell them personally and am far from an expert
[08:11:52] <_methods> jthornton: is here
[08:12:10] <trentster> jthornton: ping
[08:12:16] <_methods> i think he's busy molesting a dynamic python or something like that
[08:12:24] <trentster> ha ha cool
[08:12:27] <_abc_> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F85-Practical-Diamond-Wheel-Dresser-Dressing-Bench-Grinding-Disc-Stone-Grinder-Tool/32600480076.html?spm=2114.40010508.4.22.sZiWZv this looks pretty coarse
[08:12:37] <trentster> I will wait for his molestation session to expire
[08:12:48] <_methods> _abc_: i have one and it works just fine
[08:12:51] <_abc_> Are they any good for pulling off blades?
[08:13:02] <_abc_> I.e. fine grinding end mills and such manually?
[08:13:07] <_abc_> Carbide end mills
[08:13:16] <_methods> i use them to dress my grinding wheels
[08:13:25] <_methods> never tried to use one to dress an end mill
[08:13:27] <BeachBumPete> I have one like that works well
[08:13:40] <archivist> diamond dressing is all about how you pass the dresser over the wheel
[08:13:50] <_abc_> I know what they are for ;) Looking for a very fine diamond surface so I can dress my *mill* bits after resharpening on an universal grinder-
[08:14:01] <BeachBumPete> I also have the funky dressing tool with the rings
[08:14:07] <_methods> i also bought one of those chinese diamond wheels to sharpen my carbide scrapers and it actually works fine too
[08:14:08] <_abc_> So any suggestions for that?
[08:14:17] <_methods> way cheaper than usa diamond wheels
[08:14:20] <_abc_> _methods: do you have a link?
[08:14:20] <BeachBumPete> I use some of those diamond hone
[08:14:25] <archivist> get a real diamond wheel
[08:14:31] <BeachBumPete> backed by plastic
[08:14:37] <_abc_> I have one but using it on the desk is lame archivist
[08:14:52] <_methods> i don't have a link sorry
[08:15:02] <_abc_> Also I need a sharp edge on the sharpener somehow.
[08:15:05] <_methods> just bought a cheap one off ebay or aliexpress to test
[08:15:14] <_abc_> To get close to the core in the end of the mill bit
[08:15:21] <_methods> but the diamonds on that hand dresser are very coarse
[08:15:23] <BeachBumPete> http://www.rockler.com/diamond-hone-sharpening-set?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&sid=V9146&gclid=Cj0KEQjwzZe8BRDguN3cmOr4_dgBEiQAijjVFrQpRkWHMgAw-wS87MSR_zpfprgC0UtUe9P_g9MWATYaAqs58P8HAQ
[08:15:41] <_abc_> _methods: what shape is it? Tee? Rectangular stone?
[08:15:45] <_methods> tee
[08:15:46] <BeachBumPete> I use these things to clean up an edge on cutters
[08:15:47] <_methods> the one i have
[08:15:56] * _abc_ looks
[08:16:06] <_methods> yeah i have diamond plates for cleaning edges on cutters too
[08:16:12] <_abc_> BeachBumPete: how fine is the smallest grit? <50?
[08:16:19] <_methods> those thin diamond stones
[08:16:26] <_abc_> I think that'S what I need more or less, what BeachBumPete linked
[08:16:31] <BeachBumPete> I don't remember offhand mine are similar to those but not the exact same ones
[08:16:32] <_abc_> No idea how to f* get that here.
[08:16:38] <_abc_> Yeah I get the idea.
[08:16:45] <archivist> to get the best edge/corner on a grinding wheel the diamond dresser should be pass slowly over the wheel, for coarse grinding pass fast with the dresser
[08:16:53] <_methods> you should be able to find diamond hones on ebay
[08:16:57] <_methods> i'm assuming you're in europe
[08:17:01] <_abc_> I don't do ebay normally.
[08:17:03] <BeachBumPete> they are not expensive
[08:17:05] <_abc_> I am in Europe.
[08:17:07] <_abc_> Eastern
[08:17:17] <_methods> well ebay is kinda great for stuff like that
[08:17:39] <_abc_> BeachBumPete: so can you please say about how fine the finest of those hones is?
[08:18:19] <BeachBumPete> like I said I don't remember.... all my stuff is still in storage or I would go check for you. There is basically a coarse, fine, and SUPAfine ;)
[08:18:28] <_abc_> Sure. Thanks.
[08:18:41] <_abc_> Since I will try to hone 1.5mm end mills it has to be rather fine.
[08:18:50] <BeachBumPete> they are nice and can fit in tighter spots
[08:19:06] <_abc_> Just trying to get an idea. Where I am they tell the grit size, smaller is better, eg 50 is 50um iirc and gives a matte satin finish.
[08:19:17] <BeachBumPete> I also have some wider ones that were designed for pocket knife sharpening that I sometimes use on wider surfaces
[08:19:28] <_abc_> Also diamond?
[08:19:34] <_methods> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EZE-LAP-DIAMOND-SHARPENERS-HONES-SET-OF-5-EZELAP-MADE-IN-USA-FROM-CHRONOS-/301909068464?hash=item464b2ecab0:g:bpEAAOxyHWJSGelx
[08:19:35] <BeachBumPete> yeah they are diamond
[08:19:38] <_methods> in da uk
[08:19:50] <_abc_> Since my end mills are carbide I have to find diamond ones and for some reason those fine diamond ones are very rare.
[08:19:51] <BeachBumPete> kinda has a myriad of holes in the surface to catch grit
[08:20:02] <_methods> they list the grit there on that ebay.uk link
[08:20:19] <BeachBumPete> I use the other ones a lot on HSS lathe bits and profile cutters
[08:20:20] <_abc_> It's also color coded. I once knew what color was what grit.
[08:20:36] <_abc_> HSS is not a problem to sharpen with non diamond.
[08:20:39] <_abc_> Carbide is.
[08:20:47] <BeachBumPete> yup
[08:21:36] <_abc_> So I need the suprt fine one, blue
[08:21:43] <BeachBumPete> I keep a large magnification lamp in the shop that I use to look at the edge up a bit closer and can hone the edges with good light works okay
[08:23:55] <_abc_> I know.
[08:24:16] <_abc_> The diamond wheel is way too coarse for what I need, it leaves visible ruts.
[08:24:29] <BeachBumPete> I am sure you do just making conversation :D
[08:24:30] <_abc_> Some self sharpened mills I use have 0.15mm tip. Engraving.
[08:26:00] <_abc_> How do you convert US grit "mesh" numbers to microns?
[08:26:23] <_abc_> http://www.rockler.com/diamond-hone-sharpening-set?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&sid=V9146&gclid=Cj0KEQjwzZe8BRDguN3cmOr4_dgBEiQAijjVFrQpRkWHMgAw-wS87MSR_zpfprgC0UtUe9P_g9MWATYaAqs58P8HAQ this says 1200,400,600 grit which is iirc mesh 'lines' per inch?
[08:26:34] <_abc_> So the particle size would be 1in/#mesh ?
[08:26:48] <_abc_> ?
[08:27:14] <BeachBumPete> yeah I am not sure about that but I just posted those to illustrate what the ones I have look like...
[08:27:19] <JT-Shop> trentster: a 5i25 or 5i24 is a better choice than a 5i20
[08:27:30] <_abc_> 1200 grit works out to 20um particles, that's a matte finish normally, almost mirror. I assume mirror requires a powder or such lapping
[08:27:39] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=51
[08:27:41] <_abc_> BeachBumPete: no, it's fine, thanks.
[08:27:46] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=61
[08:28:03] <trentster> JT-Shop: thanks
[08:28:26] <JT-Shop> I'm jthornton as well
[08:28:34] <JT-Shop> stepper or servo machine?
[08:28:48] <trentster> its a stepper 4 axis
[08:29:07] <trentster> current drivers are leadshine AM882's
[08:29:22] <JT-Shop> for a PCI slot
http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=78
[08:29:40] <JT-Shop> for a PCIe
http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
[08:30:21] <trentster> great thanks
[08:30:33] <trentster> does it come flashed ready to go for Linuxcnc?
[08:30:46] <trentster> ie: plug and go ;-)
[08:30:53] <JT-Shop> yes, the flashing is for the daughter card
[08:31:19] <JT-Shop> are you running LinuxCNC now?
[08:31:41] <trentster> yes I am
[08:31:58] <JT-Shop> there you go then
[08:32:29] * JT-Shop gets back to digging
[08:32:37] <trentster> excellent, thanks so much, I just need to check what slots the computer has its an oldish HP machine
[08:43:03] <TurBoss> hi
[08:46:25] <jymmm> YAY!!! One rack rebuilt (4 casters)!!! Only 4 more racks (16 casters) to go!!!
[08:47:02] <BeachBumPete> what racks?
[08:48:11] <__rob2> how the heck to I get a thread on some 5mm tool steel
[08:48:14] <__rob2> before hardening
[08:48:23] <__rob2> still seems impossibly hard
[08:48:29] <__rob2> with a die anyway
[08:48:45] <BeachBumPete> can you anneal it some?
[08:48:48] <__rob2> just seems to be chipping off my thread inserts if I try to make a starter thread with the lathe
[08:49:14] <jymmm> The racks are rated for 3000 lbs, they dont tell you the casters are only rated for 600 lbs total (150lbs/ea)
http://images.costco-static.com/image/media/500-594470-847__1.jpg
[08:49:15] <gregcnc> does it file easily?
[08:49:19] <_abc_> Hello. Does anyone know what is in the green (finest) buffing compound? What hardness? Enough to do carbide? I assume not?
[08:49:20] <__rob2> yea
[08:49:29] <__rob2> I can mark it with a file easy
[08:49:36] <_abc_> jymmm: heh costco racks ;)
[08:50:01] <jymmm> _abc_: I have 5, err now 6 of them.
[08:50:07] <_abc_> jymmm: ok
[08:50:12] <BeachBumPete> that sure as hell does not look like a rack that could ever hold 3k lbs
[08:50:37] * _abc_ never saw a 1.5 ton capable rack - 250kgs top including the rack
[08:50:40] <gregcnc> how much is the 5mm stock hanging out?
[08:50:56] <FinboySlick> BeachBumPete: They're metric lbs.
[08:51:21] <FinboySlick> You have to divide by 2.2
[08:51:26] <BeachBumPete> FinboySlick Yeah I don't know about those foreign lbs sorry :D
[08:51:34] <__rob2> greg, well 20mm max
[08:51:42] <__rob2> only need about 10mm of thread on the end of it
[08:51:44] <jymmm> Err, on feet (no casters):
[08:51:48] <jymmm> 800 lbs per shelf
[08:51:48] <jymmm> 4,800 lbs total weight
[08:52:05] <jymmm> http://www.costco.com/TRINITY-EcoStorage%E2%84%A2-6-Tier-Wire-Shelving-Rack-|-48%22-x-18%22-x-72%22-|-NSF-|-Includes-Wheels-|-Chrome.product.11670614.html
[08:53:13] <_abc_> 3000 grit polishing compound gives mirror finish, right?
[08:53:25] <gregcnc> the usual stuff, check center height, use tails stock if the rod is climbing over the tool
[08:53:39] <jymmm> _abc_: sure, why not
[08:53:51] <_abc_> I am trying to figure out grit->microns
[08:53:54] <archivist> I get mirror with coarser grades
[08:53:56] <jymmm> why?
[08:54:00] <_abc_> Browser crashed X11 in the process a few minutes ago
[08:54:18] <_abc_> Because I'm in Europe jymmm and people here look strange at you if you use murican measures
[08:54:30] <jymmm> so what?
[08:54:48] <archivist> iic 600 grit
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cast+pendulum
[08:54:50] <_abc_> http://www.inlandcraft.com/uguides/lapidary_grit_chart.pdf finally
[08:54:57] <jymmm> why are you trying to get so specific on grit size, etc?
[08:55:15] <_abc_> jymmm: because I need a honing stone or compound and I need to tell the guys what to get me.
[08:55:18] <archivist> grit size != to polish quality
[08:55:49] <archivist> a factor but not a direct link
[08:56:05] <_abc_> Sure. Didn't know you can mirror finish cast iron. Does it not rust in minutes?
[08:56:30] <jymmm> _abc_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyOodLNI4BQ
[08:58:11] <_abc_> I need to polish/deburr etc very small carbide cutter tips jymmm
[08:58:46] <archivist> _abc_, shows finger marks very easly
[08:58:50] <jymmm> _abc_: look at sharpening chisel videos
[08:59:44] <jymmm> or straight razor videos
[09:00:25] <_abc_> I know. My barber is one person I am going to ask for supplies ;)
[09:01:19] <archivist> anyway for endmills cheaper to throw away and get new
[09:01:34] <_abc_> Nono. 120 euros a piece
[09:02:16] <_abc_> What is a FEPA standard again?
[09:02:20] <_abc_> Europe?
[09:02:24] <archivist> you going to the wrong supplier?
[09:02:59] <_abc_> Heh. I am on a very tight budget. Was in the "old stuff" market the other day looking.
[09:03:15] <_abc_> 7 hours on foot in the sun.
[09:04:49] <_abc_> archivist: is there an easy method to embed some abrasive compound into some gluey holder? Like pitch, I guess? As used to polish lenses and telescope mirrors?
[09:05:32] <archivist> there are methods, but.... it is a can of worms I dont go to
[09:06:25] <archivist> learning about the grinding process and the machine to get a good edge
[09:06:26] <_abc_> Okay. Pitch + hard wax + polishing compound powder, very fine...
[09:06:49] <_abc_> There's only so much a coarse diamond stone can do for a tiny edge.
[09:07:04] <archivist> polish is not equal to a good cutting edge
[09:08:00] <_abc_> I know but at this point all I can do to make it better is polish.
[09:08:06] <_abc_> All other options were exhausted.
[09:08:37] <_abc_> https://www.amazon.com/152-W-4-Ounce-Diamond-Compound-Carded/dp/B0009STXUQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1468416246&sr=1-3&keywords=diamond+buffing this looks neat. Could use it, I guess.
[09:09:44] <archivist> better to get a better tool grinder
[09:09:56] <_abc_> The universal grinder is very okay thank you
[09:10:19] <archivist> who made it
[09:10:43] <_abc_> China. But it's a knockoff of a prewar German model.
[09:10:49] <archivist> what grit wheel
[09:11:05] <_abc_> Commie period Romanian company, tool making.
[09:11:30] <_abc_> I don't know what grit now, not fine enough.
[09:11:32] <archivist> just learning how to get a wheel to cut fine rather than coarse
[09:11:41] <_abc_> Feels like P1200 sandpaper.
[09:13:20] <archivist> there was a very nice booklet at the last job by Jones & Shipman about wheel dressing, made all the difference when I made cutters after reading it
[09:13:48] <_abc_> Can't dress a diamond wheel here. It's already very thin.
[09:15:15] <archivist> I was doing engraving cutters on
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010214.JPG
[09:15:38] <_abc_> ...
[09:16:24] <archivist> might be circa ww1 era
[09:17:04] <_abc_> http://meiri.tzmfg.com/group-universal-tool-grinder/universal-cutter-grinder-mr-u2-914987.html what I use resembles this.
[09:17:19] <_abc_> It's a popular Chinese knockoff of a pre WW2 German grinder.
[09:17:45] <_abc_> But with diamond wheel in it, not the pink kinky joke soapstone.
[09:17:51] <archivist> seen some like that on ebay
[09:18:25] <_abc_> They are okay after you completely take them apart and make them work as intended ;)
[09:18:33] <archivist> I ended up making something for myself for my cutters
[09:18:39] <_abc_> Note gross weight (!)
[09:19:00] <_abc_> Modern versions of that are much lighter, replacing castings with welded/assembled construction
[09:19:04] <archivist> have to be heavy
[09:19:12] <_abc_> Nope. Have to be rigid, yes.
[09:19:46] <archivist> weight is part of the damping
[09:21:53] <_abc_> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/392446555002458636/ see the cute one by Roberto
[09:23:43] <archivist> I took a few quorn pics
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=quorn
[09:24:10] <_abc_> Nice. Just curious, how heavy?
[09:24:36] <_abc_> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCBDToolGrinder.htm nice quoarn pics, smaller machine
[09:25:53] <_abc_> -a
[09:26:53] <archivist> quorns are a bit light weight but very versatile
[09:28:01] * jymmm introduces archivist to ImageMagick's CONVERT feature, specifically resize... http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/#percent
[09:29:09] <archivist> I offer full res
[09:29:51] <archivist> with nowt taken out
[09:37:21] <jymmm> archivist: I have stopped looking at photo links from your stuff just due to the sheer slowness as everyone clicks at the same time. Offering reasonable and smaller as well as original is not a bad thing.
[09:38:01] <jymmm> IM does an EXCELLENT job of image manipulation
[09:38:23] <jymmm> you can evan watermark your images if you cared to.
[09:42:19] <CaptHindsight> offers jymmm a can of patience
[09:43:12] * jymmm replaces CaptHindsight connection with a 9600 baud modem!
[09:44:38] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: how goes it?
[09:45:25] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: all the spiders and ants killed?
[09:46:08] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Under control at least =)
[09:48:17] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: It's the yellowjackets and mosquitos I'm dealing with now =)
[09:50:15] <jymmm> I have two mosquito plants growing (citronela like scent) and four sage plants. The garlic aint doing so well.
[09:50:19] <CaptHindsight> summer fun
[09:51:12] <jymmm> just too many diseases that moquitos carry not to dela with
[09:51:41] <CaptHindsight> I haven't been spending much time outside, but it seems to be a bad year for bugs
[09:52:43] <jymmm> my legs look like I kicked a wasp nest but it's all mosquito bites.
[09:53:49] <jymmm> I can't harvest the sage too much the first year, after the 1st you can go hog wild
[09:54:43] <SpeedEvil> most sorts of mosquito don't carry viruses, and most viruses are not transmissable by mosquitos.
[09:55:14] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, the exceptions - dengue, malaria, Chikungunya are nasty
[09:55:33] <SpeedEvil> , ...
[09:57:44] <SpeedEvil> Note that the virus has to replicate in the mosquito
[09:58:02] <jymmm> your thinking exotic, not so...
[09:58:03] <jymmm> https://www.cdc.gov/zika/
[09:58:33] <SpeedEvil> err - what?
[09:58:40] <jymmm> heartwork, west nile, and more
http://www.mosquito.org/mosquito-borne-diseases#WNV
[09:58:46] <SpeedEvil> Dengue and malaria are hardly exotic
[10:00:25] <CaptHindsight> I considered building a propane mosquito trap a few years ago
[10:00:47] <jymmm> SpeedEvil: only 2000 cases of malaria in the US
[10:01:32] <SpeedEvil> I should have said I was talking globally
[10:05:02] <jymmm> globally there is a lot of bad drinking water too
[10:08:12] <gregcnc> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/app/5680090626.html
[10:09:20] <CaptHindsight> Advice: 5$
[10:10:28] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: ever go up the Milwaukee hackerspace?
[10:10:43] <gregcnc> no is it interesting?
[10:10:45] <archivist> good advise 10$
[10:10:48] <jymmm> accurate and helpful advise... $500
[10:11:21] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I went to hear the guy that printed the first plastic gun...
[10:12:16] * jymmm is waiting on plastic bullets
[10:12:28] <CaptHindsight> it's a big space with lots of tools, they even had a Kuka robot with 2-3m reach
[10:13:39] <CaptHindsight> I forget the guys name but you could not inform him of anything since he knew it all
[10:14:11] <gregcnc> ah well he read it from the internet
[10:14:49] <gregcnc> did the milwaukee maker fair happen already?
[10:14:57] <gregcnc> faire?
[10:15:14] <CaptHindsight> I stopped going to any after the first year I went
[10:15:18] <CaptHindsight> too depressing
[10:15:37] <archivist> we had an "expert" over here that claimed he had reached the pinnacle
[10:16:11] <CaptHindsight> Maker Faire Milwaukee will take place on Saturday, September 24th, and Sunday, September 25th.
[10:16:21] <CaptHindsight> https://makerfairemilwaukee.com/
[10:16:42] <gregcnc> maybe tormach open house would be more interesting
[10:16:48] <CaptHindsight> they tried one in Evanston right next to NWU
[10:16:59] <CaptHindsight> I think it was a once only thing
[10:17:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.makerfaireevanston.com/
[10:17:45] <gregcnc> i looked earlier this year for local events and only saw some that looked fairly small
[10:19:02] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I'm adding "glue gun extraordinaire" to my resume :)
[10:19:33] <archivist> hehe
[10:20:20] <CaptHindsight> the Evanston faire had the guy that invented aluminum extrusions, I think he called it makerslide
[10:21:20] <gregcnc> hmm extrusion with v rail
[10:21:23] <CaptHindsight> I congratulated him in his efforts to invent tech that's been around for 70+ years
[10:22:03] * archivist patents round wheels
[10:23:07] <CaptHindsight> archivist: how will it stop if it's round?
[10:23:29] <archivist> a brick in front
[10:24:18] <CaptHindsight> i think I saw something similar once but the brick had a rope on it
[10:26:17] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: IS 3/4" pvc conduit typically rated for direct burial?
[10:27:02] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: for electrical?
[10:27:12] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: yes
[10:27:32] <CaptHindsight> we rarely worked with anything plastic or romex, let me check
[10:27:43] <gregcnc> sears doesn't even have manuls or accy lists for their routers, wtf
[10:28:00] <jymmm> gregcnc: yes they do
[10:28:18] <jymmm> gregcnc: you ned the model#
[10:29:10] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: non-metallic looks like it has to be 18+ below grade
[10:29:25] <CaptHindsight> 18+ inches
[10:29:31] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: ok, but it's water tight?
[10:29:43] <CaptHindsight> if you do it right
[10:29:48] <jymmm> lol
[10:30:08] <CaptHindsight> if you use all the proper fittings
[10:30:27] <gregcnc> google found it, but it wasn't linked on the product site
[10:30:53] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: It won't be 18", but I'll try to sleeve it with flex conduit as we have gophers/weasles
[10:31:31] <CaptHindsight> fill with pea gravel
[10:32:01] <CaptHindsight> or some concrete
[10:32:05] <jymmm> Ha! these bastards are evil. They go thru pea gravela like nothign!
[10:32:31] <jymmm> But, they are avoiding all the moth balls I shoved in the holes =)
[10:33:25] <CaptHindsight> C4 like Caddy shack
[10:34:06] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Oh, the new thing is to inject propane in the hole and ignight. It's the percussion that kills them.
[10:34:49] <jymmm> CaptHindsight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYTLm5bLfqw
[10:35:43] <CaptHindsight> bbl
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[11:27:02] <Loetmichel_> jymmm: propane+ oxygen
[11:27:10] <Loetmichel_> propane alone wouldnt explode
[11:28:57] <jymmm> I'm not going to test that theory =)
[11:37:29] <Sync> it is not a theory
[11:42:35] <Loetmichel_> if i had an goper problem in the garden i would use the Oxy acetylene torch, adjust it to blue flame, then press it into the ground to extignuish it... and then put the nozzle in the goper tunnel for a few minutes
[11:43:07] <Loetmichel_> then throw a bengal light into the tunnel after pulling the torch back;)
[11:44:02] <Loetmichel_> should have the same result as the dedicated "gopher killer" in the video
[12:29:08] <FinboySlick> Anyone tried linuxcnc on 4.4 kernels? What would work best, Xenomai or RTAI?
[12:52:45] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BHpu4XqDGHc/
[12:55:26] <skunkworks> FinboySlick, for what?
[14:57:10] <skunkworks_> FinboySlick,
http://imgur.com/QJ2mSGE
[14:58:40] <skunkworks> pcw_home, ^ 4.6.4-rt6
[15:01:45] <FinboySlick> Yeah, saw that.
[15:02:03] <FinboySlick> That been running for a while?
[15:13:25] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: this is the latest RTAI guaranteed to work with Linuxcnc
https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/tree/master/base/arch/x86
[15:13:53] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: the Linuxcnc devs however use the RTAI.org tree
[15:15:04] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: Paolo changes API's and removes support for RTAI.org all the time and has no concern is it breaks for Linuxcnc
[15:16:01] <CaptHindsight> that is why NTULINUX keeps his working RTAI tree at a separate github
[15:17:43] <FinboySlick> OK.
[15:20:46] <CaptHindsight> simple :)
[16:42:33] <Deejay> gn8
[18:27:19] <DGMurdockIII> is there any good open source pcb printers out there
[18:29:17] <xunil> hello, wondering if someone can give me some advice. I have a PS3 controller working via hal_input to do jogging and so forth
[18:29:30] <xunil> I'm looking for a way to have the circle/triangle/x/square buttons trigger an axis touch-off
[18:29:42] <xunil> as in, to have those buttons have the same effect as clicking "touch off" in Axis.
[18:29:57] <xunil> so far I'm not having much luck googling an answer or finding a likely HAL pin.
[18:31:32] <malcom2073> DGMurdockIII: Printers? Are you looking for something to print UV resist directly on copper, or to mill boards?
[18:34:08] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.renthang.com/dbase/upload-img/SMT402-catalogue.jpg
[18:34:12] <DGMurdockIII> like that
[18:34:30] <malcom2073> Oh pick-n-place
[18:34:41] <_methods> lol
[18:34:48] <malcom2073> That just takes components and puts them on the board, it doesn't create the pcb
[18:34:56] <malcom2073> But yes, there are some open source variants of that sort of thing
[18:35:09] <malcom2073> Firepick is the first one that comes to mind
[18:35:15] <DGMurdockIII> xunil, i have one link that might help you
[18:35:31] <DGMurdockIII> xunil,
http://omegatechofficial.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/2/8/28284697/reverse_engineering_document.pdf
[18:35:32] <xunil> great! i'm happy to do more digging on my own, i've just hit kind of a dead end
[18:36:12] <xunil> DGMurdockIII, er, well, this is a nice doc about the controller, but the problem I'm having is with figuring out how to get the HAL signals connected
[18:36:32] <DGMurdockIII> ok
[18:43:47] <DGMurdockIII> xunil, are you connting it dirrectly to you pc or your cnc?
[18:44:03] <DGMurdockIII> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
[18:48:32] <DGMurdockIII> xunil, oh have you seen this
http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/DualShock_3 lots of info on the boards
[18:49:46] <malcom2073> xunil: Are you having issues finding the hal pins for the buttons, or the hal pins for touchoff?
