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[00:02:32] <os1r1s> DLPeterson I'd caution away from the fringe machines. The g0704 is well traveled. The pm25mv is a derivative and was hard to source parts for.
[00:03:11] <os1r1s> Some of those are going to be tough to fin a community around
[00:05:58] <DLPeterson> os1r1s, good point. what parts did you need for your PM?
[00:06:24] <os1r1s> DLPeterson The parts from Dave (ArizonaVideo).
[00:06:42] <os1r1s> DLPeterson But I still haven't conquered endstops, homing, etc, etc
[00:06:46] <XXCoder> wow what a deal, just one dollar each lol
[00:06:50] <os1r1s> That will all be custom
[00:06:58] <os1r1s> XXCoder Yeah. I like that too :)
[00:15:27] <DLPeterson> XXCoder, this was the thread that led me to that website:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical-mill-lathe-project-log/133172-cnc-software-forum.html
[00:15:38] <DLPeterson> 305 pages, some of which are pretty interesting
[00:16:16] <DLPeterson> guy seems pretty talented at the machine design part of things, maybe ran into some business challenges
[00:16:29] <XXCoder> pictures isnt loading. weird
[00:19:01] <XXCoder> some refuse to load but I see some
[00:19:08] <XXCoder> it is definitely interesting looking
[00:19:39] <DLPeterson> cnczone has been super slow for me recently
[00:21:31] <XXCoder> 152 page people is complaining about not gettiung it
[00:26:28] <DLPeterson> yeah, i haven't read the whole thing but i got the impression that the idea was sound and there was a lot of interest but that setting up the business and making things go from a one-off hobby to actually business has not been smooth
[00:26:41] <XXCoder> kickstarter failed it seems
[00:26:50] <DLPeterson> the mill itself looks pretty cool though
[00:27:01] <DLPeterson> he posted a ton of detail
[00:29:03] <XXCoder> guess so but no matter how cool if its not aviliable its useless
[00:30:08] <DGMurdockIII> http://radio.fiatlux.tk:80/jazz.aac
[00:30:09] <roycroft> kickestarter is a good idea in theory
[00:30:22] <DGMurdockIII> you mean croudfunding
[00:30:23] <roycroft> the problem is that non-investors give money to non-businessmen for products
[00:30:32] <DGMurdockIII> is a good idea in theory
[00:30:47] <roycroft> and generally do not have the wherewithall to determine the actual viability of the product
[00:31:08] <DLPeterson> it would be interesting to see whether kickstarter is more or less successful than other more traditional approaches
[00:31:10] <XXCoder> other issue is scaling up production
[00:31:29] <DLPeterson> i've seen some cool products come from kickstarter end up as successful companies
[00:31:33] <roycroft> i think most people who start campaigns are well-intentioned
[00:31:43] <XXCoder> kickstarted few successful ones too
[00:31:47] <roycroft> but a significant number are in capable of delivering
[00:31:48] <XXCoder> like exploding kitten
[00:32:00] <XXCoder> damn was that fun game
[00:32:06] <DLPeterson> yeah, real data would make this conversation more meaningful
[00:32:12] <roycroft> yes
[00:33:14] <DLPeterson> here is one that i'm pretty sure is killing it:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/139160027/a-better-bicycle-bell-made-in-the-usa
[00:33:49] <DLPeterson> http://www.spurcycle.com/
[00:33:59] <XXCoder> DLPeterson: people already recived product
[00:34:03] <DLPeterson> pretty nice piece of steel and brass tbh, sounds amazing
[00:34:22] <XXCoder> it may not transition to successful marketed product but it was success on kickstarter
[00:34:38] <DLPeterson> XXCoder, for the bell or for the mill
[00:34:43] <XXCoder> bell
[00:34:58] <DLPeterson> oh, yeah. i own two. my old bike shop sells them like hot cakes now
[00:35:05] <XXCoder> nice
[00:35:09] <DLPeterson> they are awesome
[00:35:27] <XXCoder> I never bother with any noisemaker lol though I do should get one
[00:35:43] <DLPeterson> on the other hand, here is a good example of an epic fail:
http://litmotors.com/kubo-kickstarter-crowdfunding-works-doesnt/
[00:40:53] <XXCoder> soylent was weird place between fail and success
[00:41:02] <XXCoder> it took them a LONG time to get started
[00:41:14] <XXCoder> but they are all caught up and its quite a large success story
[00:51:12] <XXCoder> Brother makes cncs??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQ_H6Yo6wg
[00:54:45] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU_lYhJGJTc
[00:55:32] <XXCoder> its apparently a lathe too
[00:57:03] <XXCoder> its tap speed is riciously fast
[01:01:17] <DLPeterson> cool
[01:07:43] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndVS22ZbqmE
[01:07:48] <XXCoder> brother does make nice machines
[01:08:17] <XXCoder> what does impress me is that its C axis is fast enough to be used like lathe
[01:38:31] <Ralith> that's a cool video but it would be cooler if the start and end product didn't look almost exactly the same
[01:40:15] <XXCoder> not sure what you mean
[01:40:23] <XXCoder> from alum block to giant soda cap
[01:40:26] <XXCoder> or beer
[01:59:38] <Ralith> perhaps you meant to link a different video?
[02:00:33] <Ralith> the one you most recently linked appears to be a finishing stage on some sort of alternator casing
[02:00:59] <XXCoder> oh yeah sorry lol
[02:01:01] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzf3-KhJ3Tg
[02:29:19] <Deejay> moin
[02:40:31] <roycroft> hmm, there's a brand new 8" rotary table on cl for $100
[02:40:52] <roycroft> that's bigger than i want and can easily handle, but i can't really pass it up at that price
[02:41:15] <XXCoder> whats usual
[02:41:42] <roycroft> a brand new no-name chinese one is about $350
[02:41:50] <roycroft> which this probably is
[02:42:23] <XXCoder> not bad
[02:42:30] <roycroft> if i get it it's almost time for a shop crane though
[02:42:46] <archivist> go fetch
[02:42:59] <roycroft> i've already emailed
[02:43:08] <roycroft> it's midnight here
[02:43:10] <roycroft> not a good time to fetch
[02:43:16] <archivist> that is like me and a CMM
[02:43:16] <roycroft> but it was just posted an hour ago
[02:43:22] <XXCoder> call
[02:43:43] <roycroft> i'll call in the morning if i don't get an email reply then
[02:44:41] <archivist> I found a CMM on ebay for £100, bid and won...wtf now to work out how to fetch
[02:45:03] <XXCoder> archivist: far off location eh
[02:45:05] <roycroft> oh, an 8" rotary table only weighs about 75 lbs
[02:45:29] <roycroft> i also don't have the money for this - having just bought that tubing roller
[02:45:30] <archivist> XXCoder, nah only 12 miles away
[02:45:39] <roycroft> but that's why i always carry an emergency $100 in my wallet
[02:45:41] <XXCoder> ah but large and heavy eh
[02:45:47] <roycroft> this counts as an emergency
[02:46:10] <roycroft> i have a current project that could really use a rotary table
[02:46:15] <roycroft> so the timing is perfect
[02:46:26] <XXCoder> nice
[02:46:38] <archivist> a bit heavy,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm
[02:47:17] <archivist> lucky I had use of a van at the time
[02:47:40] <archivist> I could not afford but.. have to
[02:47:53] <XXCoder> its currently in use?
[02:48:20] <roycroft> http://www.roycroft.us/RotaryTable.jpeg
[02:48:25] <roycroft> that's the one that's for sale
[02:48:28] <roycroft> it doesn't look brand new
[02:48:32] <roycroft> but it also doesn't look beat up
[02:49:28] <archivist> looks like the my B axis rotary
[02:49:45] <roycroft> it's easily worth the money
[02:49:47] <XXCoder> very nice
[02:49:52] <XXCoder> just 100 man
[02:49:55] <roycroft> and i would be able to mill some arc slots with it
[02:50:07] <XXCoder> I probably wont get it because its way too big for my machine but yeah
[02:50:08] <roycroft> it's kind of big for my mill/drill though
[02:50:32] <roycroft> but if it's too big then i guess i need to get a bigger mill!
[02:51:04] <roycroft> i think i could do some work with it
[02:51:22] <roycroft> i don't think i'd be able to put an x/y table on top of the rotary table on my little mill though
[02:51:30] <archivist> arcs with a rotary
http://gears.archivist.info/gears/P1010013_335.JPG
[02:51:59] <roycroft> nice
[02:52:15] <roycroft> manually milled?
[02:52:30] <roycroft> that would be tough to do, i should think
[02:52:38] <archivist> that was manual yes
[02:53:23] <archivist> used a jig mill, there is an X under the rotary then an xy on top of the rotary
[02:53:41] <roycroft> that makes more sense
[02:54:42] <archivist> made on
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010207.JPG
[02:55:03] <roycroft> i hope this guy gets back to me
[02:55:09] <roycroft> i seem to get about 1 in 10 great deals on cl
[02:55:27] <roycroft> since the post is so recent, and rotary tables are not really hot sellers, i think my odds are better than that
[02:55:40] <roycroft> or this gal
[02:55:44] <roycroft> i should not presume it's a guy
[02:56:17] <roycroft> that machine looks like a mess
[02:57:27] <archivist> a bit of swarf pfft
[02:57:51] <XXCoder> belt is dead
[02:58:30] <archivist> that is a variable length replacement type of belt
[02:58:45] <XXCoder> ahh thought it was really wasted belt
[02:59:52] <roycroft> i've never used those belts
[03:00:06] <roycroft> some folks say they run more smoothly than regular v belts
[03:05:52] <roycroft> a rotary table opens up so many machining possibilities
[03:06:08] <XXCoder> indeed
[03:06:21] <XXCoder> it can be A or C axis
[03:06:27] <XXCoder> low chance of B
[03:07:14] <XXCoder> you could add m0 stops to change angle as needed if its not that complex
[03:07:43] <XXCoder> heh if you add encoder to it, you can rotate it manually and it will move upo and down as needed I guess lol
[03:08:01] <roycroft> my mill is manual
[03:08:42] <roycroft> but that's fine - i haven't ever used a rotary table, and i need to learn how to use it manually
[03:08:58] <XXCoder> lol ok was assuming cnc mill
[03:09:31] <roycroft> i have a power feed on the x axis
[03:09:39] <roycroft> but that's as non-manual as it gets
[03:19:28] <XXCoder> cool
[03:21:06] <archivist> for one off work manual is often/usually faster
[03:55:02] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R8-COLLETS-GENUINE-BRIDGEPORT-ADCOCK-SHIPLEY-HARDINGE-IMPERIAL-FULL-SET-/272294592240
[03:57:17] <XXCoder> thats pretty decent
[03:57:39] <XXCoder> dunno about price but I guess one would pay that much for ONE of those, new?
[03:57:54] <archivist> more than that for one real new one
[04:04:59] <XXCoder> nice. grabbing it?
[04:15:12] <archivist> no
[04:15:30] <archivist> no cash no work
[04:16:21] <archivist> one minor job request from a company that just fscked me about 2 months ago
[04:16:39] <archivist> delaying a reply making them sweat
[04:17:09] <XXCoder> how did they screw with you?
[04:18:10] <archivist> took the van I was using complete with fuel and no work for two months
[04:18:37] <archivist> and 3 cancelled orders in a week
[04:19:30] <XXCoder> they took your van?
[04:21:59] <archivist> they own it
[04:22:31] <XXCoder> it was on loan while you was working on their jobs?
[04:22:36] <archivist> yes
[04:22:43] <XXCoder> and they just suddenly cancelled all 3 and took back van
[04:22:48] <archivist> yes
[04:23:10] <XXCoder> jeez I wonder why
[04:24:07] <archivist> because greedy and something else becomes more important
[04:25:17] <XXCoder> sucks
[04:26:19] <archivist> should I be nice and do 5 minutes work on the website, or refuse and cause them pain
[04:27:14] <XXCoder> dunno, burning bridges suck but then they might do that shitty thing again
[04:32:55] <cpresser> archivist: tell them why you are pissed
[04:33:04] <cpresser> increase the price by 100%
[04:33:16] <cpresser> thats how I deal with shitty customers
[04:33:31] <archivist> I have told them why I am pissed
[04:51:02] <cpresser> now build a bulldozer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
[04:52:12] <XXCoder> they got lucky it got stuck. even when he shot himself they took a while to get him out
[04:52:21] <XXCoder> it was not designed to be exitable at all
[04:56:35] <XXCoder> "It was planned that individual pieces would be dispersed to many separate scrap yards to prevent admirers of Heemeyer from taking souvenirs.[20]"
[04:56:43] <XXCoder> good, those ghouls is not getting anything
[08:01:14] <MattyMatt> that's like the ones they use in palestine
[08:02:45] <MattyMatt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9
[08:03:18] <MattyMatt> because illegal houses are illegal, m'kay?
[09:31:46] <KreAa> Hurray! Finally figured out what was wrong with my gantry setup and got the last axis homing correctly. HOME_OFFSET is really home switch location so that threw me off.
[09:32:06] <KreAa> Regardlessm thanks to all Linuxcnc devs and contribs. This is relaly an awsome piece of work now that it is finally configured :)
[09:38:26] <archivist> KreAa, add a bug report for the docs
[09:40:24] <gregcnc> seems that home offset is clear
[10:16:03] <KreAa> yes, the description is perfect, as long as you read it.
[10:16:08] <KreAa> The name is what threw me off
[10:16:10] <KreAa> :)
[10:16:32] <KreAa> on my delta it's called home_sw_pos
[10:16:50] <KreAa> still, happy now it all works :)
[10:37:18] <root-x> I have a stepper 1.8º with microsteps relation x10 , total 2000 micro-steps... what is the correct encoder for this configuration, 200 or 2000 segments?
[10:38:03] <cradek> usually encoders are not used with steppers. can you say more about what your goal is?
[10:38:09] <root-x> Some good document for read and learn about microsteps and encoders?
[10:38:38] <root-x> cradek is for learn purposes.
[10:39:11] <archivist> well servo and encoder is sensible
[10:39:28] <root-x> I can purchase steppers with encoders embeeded
[10:39:59] <root-x> And his drivers
[10:40:12] <archivist> those are "trying" to fix inherent stepper problems that wont exist with a servo
[10:41:21] <KreAa> well, there is one good thing with encoder on stepper and that is to detect a stall
[10:41:34] <root-x> I understand servos are the way but steppers with encoders exists
[10:41:45] <root-x> not much info about microsteps and encoders.
[10:42:01] <KreAa> especially on gantry machines you definatly dont want a stall on one axis
[10:42:59] <KreAa> btw isn't this where the path followers max error stuff comes in ? You need your encoder to keep up with that setting or you get follower errors don't you?
[10:44:51] <root-x> I have a stepper 1.8º with microsteps relation x10 , total 2000 micro-steps... what is the correct encoder for this configuration, 200 or 2000 segments?
[10:45:31] <archivist> I think encoder steppers exist for machine builders with low skills and poor controllers
[10:46:11] <archivist> microsteps are never exact part steps
[10:47:12] <Sync> well, you can drive a stepper with FOC like any other servo
[10:47:23] <Sync> the question is, is it worth it
[10:47:34] <archivist> still cannot handle a stall
[10:47:51] <Sync> it handles it the same way as any servo
[10:48:05] <archivist> it is cogging
[10:48:29] <Sync> that only depends on the driver
[10:48:35] <archivist> servo keeps increasing torque to the current limit
[10:48:35] <Sync> the stepper motor doesn't care
[10:49:05] <Sync> you can do exactly the same on a stepper motor
[10:49:27] <gregcnc> if the servo and stepper are both undersize for the application what difference does it make?
[10:49:34] <Sync> none
[10:49:41] <Sync> both will error with following errors
[10:49:47] <gregcnc> right
[10:49:51] <pcw_home> a stepmotor with the proper controller is just a 50 pole 2 phase servo
[10:49:58] <Sync> ^
[10:50:22] <Sync> although there are 3 phase steppers
[10:50:43] <pcw_home> Yes and 5
[10:51:22] <pcw_home> I have a 3 phase 320V step motor, pretty odd
[10:52:19] <root-x> https://youtu.be/2SozZ7af3wg
[10:52:23] <gregcnc> what I don't understand about 3phase steppers is they are still 200steps/rev, Emco uses 3 phase steppers in educational machines
[10:52:24] <root-x> I see this video some days ago.
[10:56:49] <Sync> it is somewhat misleading
[10:57:01] <Sync> it does stall, however it tracks the following error
[10:57:33] <gregcnc> you have to understand that if motion stalls in a CNC machine. game is over.
[11:03:29] <roycroft> well, it's a new game at least
[11:03:37] <roycroft> you have an opportunity to make a different part
[11:04:25] <SpeedEvil> maybe
[11:04:30] <SpeedEvil> it might be fine
[11:04:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[11:04:53] <SpeedEvil> never mind, I thought the context was demanded motion stalls, not an axis stalls
[11:06:02] <gregcnc> I suppose if it errors and the machine stops nothing serious is likely to happen.
[11:06:32] <gregcnc> it come down to overloading the axis
[11:07:33] <gregcnc> are these servo/stepper hyrbids cost effective?
[11:10:01] <FloppyDisk> Coming into this discussion late, but upping the voltage for the stepper drive can be effective, otherwise,
[11:10:20] <FloppyDisk> leave your acceleration low...
[11:10:42] <KreAa> SpeedEvil: !
[11:10:49] <KreAa> SpeedEvil: it works!
[11:10:55] <SpeedEvil> yay!
[11:11:00] <SpeedEvil> ?
[11:11:12] * SpeedEvil suffers loss of context.
[11:11:19] <KreAa> so now it does the gantry type calibration on homing :)
[11:11:24] <KreAa> my cnc
[11:11:46] <KreAa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLuY1qDqB8
[11:12:25] <KreAa> now I can get to work adding the fan and filter in the controlbox and then cleaning up the rest of the wires and printing the caps for the profiles
[11:15:54] <SpeedEvil> yay
[12:57:04] <roycroft> grrr
[12:57:12] <roycroft> cl seller likes text messaging
[12:57:14] <roycroft> which i don't have
[12:57:20] <roycroft> and don't want
[12:57:30] <roycroft> i tried some email to text thing, but i have no idea if it went through
[12:57:58] <roycroft> i hate it when people trying to sell stuff sometimes offer extremely limited ways to contact them
[12:58:07] <gregcnc> use gmail?
[12:58:25] <roycroft> i shun google and everything about it
[12:58:36] <roycroft> i don't know how gmail would help anyway
[12:58:44] <gregcnc> hangout can text to hones
[12:58:49] <gregcnc> phones
[12:59:04] <roycroft> i found this guy's carrier, and sent an email to the carrier's text gateway
[13:05:02] <enleth> roycroft: note that in some areas, numbers are transferable and it's no longer possible to determine the carrier easily
[13:22:34] <Sync> roycroft: it is pretty reasonable to expect someone to have a cellphone now
[13:24:03] <enleth> roycroft: also, yes, a throwaway gmail account will give you access to Hangouts and Google Voice, the latter being just a VoIP service capable of calling real phones
[13:24:37] <enleth> quite useful for calling foreign numbers
[13:24:55] <enleth> (first, it's dirt cheap, second, it masks your real number)
[13:31:54] <roycroft> sadly i am a man of principle, and some of my principles are out of the mainstream
[13:32:08] <roycroft> i think google is inherently an evil company, and i eschew anything having to do with it
[13:32:44] <roycroft> i realise this has cost me opportunities, but i'm not willing to sacrifice principles for occasional personal advantage
[13:33:00] <roycroft> i feel the same way about facebook, in case that is not obvious
[13:33:59] <gregcnc> welcome to life
[13:34:24] <roycroft> life would be easier if i just "gave in" and "went with the flow"
[13:34:44] <roycroft> but alas, i have a fatal flaw in that i can't force myself to do that
[13:35:06] <Sync> it's not giving in
[13:37:05] <enleth> roycroft: I'm not telling you to start actually using google's services, IMHO it is possible to be pragmatic and make use of them them without "giving in"
[13:39:22] <roycroft> that would seem dishonest
[13:39:43] <roycroft> "i hate you and everything you stand for but i'm going to try to cheat and use your services anyway"
[13:40:12] <gregcnc> you must not use banks either
[13:40:29] <roycroft> on the scale of transgressions using google ranks really low
[13:40:49] <roycroft> i do all my banking with my credit union, of which i am an owner
[13:41:11] <toast-work> i don't get why it matters if someone uses google or not, if you don't... then you don't
[13:41:24] <roycroft> because others are trying to convince me to use it
[13:41:33] <roycroft> i'm not trying to convince anyone not to
[13:41:38] <roycroft> just asking that my choice be respected
[13:41:44] <enleth> the problem with google is data mining and sometimes being dicks
[13:41:52] <roycroft> this is a pretty silly and pointless conversation
[13:41:56] <roycroft> welcome to irc!
[13:42:18] <toast-work> wooo
[13:42:20] <enleth> not giving them the data is something they're expecting from some of their users anyway, nothing bad about it
[13:42:28] <enleth> they don't care
[13:42:40] <gregcnc> they get plenty of data as it is
[13:42:49] <roycroft> as i said, it ranks really low on the transgression scale
[13:42:53] <enleth> source: some of my friends work there
[13:43:07] <roycroft> they get way more than they should :)
[13:43:50] <roycroft> anyway, break time is over
[13:43:56] <enleth> they literally don't care if one or two per each million users are privacy-conscious and take the extra steps to not disclose any useful data to google
[13:43:56] <roycroft> i should get back to mowing the dandelions
[13:43:59] <enleth> so that's hardly cheating
[13:46:41] <cradek> cheating is a thing it only makes sense to talk about in the scope of a fair game with rules that everyone knows
[13:47:20] <cradek> wanting to keep your data out of the hands of someone who will use it in unknown ways, both today and with unknowable future algorithms, cannot be cheating in any real sense
[13:49:10] <cradek> whether to trade personal data for services is a decision I wish everyone could make with full knowledge of the rules of the game, but that's not in the cards
[13:59:28] <Tom_itx> one channel was quite upset i was logging it. they were afraid what they said on irc might get back to their boss
[13:59:33] <Tom_itx> dumbass
[14:00:00] <Tom_itx> if you don't want it out there, don't say it
[14:00:07] <Tom_itx> or give it out
[14:02:24] <Sync> roycroft: so you make sure every single packet you emit isn't routed through a google AS? sounds like fun
[14:03:17] <Tom_itx> i respect his viewpoint but think it's rather impossible in this day
[14:04:02] <Sync> yes, I do as well, but I'm also trying to be realistic
[14:07:36] <roycroft> you're just trolling
[14:07:50] <roycroft> and i believe i already said that this conversation has become pointless
[14:08:41] <roycroft> there are very few absolutes, tom_itx
[14:08:56] <roycroft> i don't pretend that no personal data ever "leaks"
[14:09:36] <roycroft> i endeavor to minimise it, and to not support companies that blatently state that they will do whatever they can to gather it, regardless of the wishes of the individuals affected
[14:09:44] <roycroft> don't think i'm a fool
[14:09:56] <roycroft> well, that's your perogative
[14:10:20] <roycroft> but i don't think i've given you any reason to make that determination
[14:10:30] <Sync> you gave enough
[14:10:35] <gryphon68> PCW_: Were should I start diagnosing "Hm2_eth: ERROR 192.168.1.121: Could not retrieve mac address"
[14:10:59] <roycroft> again, you are trolling
[14:11:13] <roycroft> i'll politely disregard any further attempts at such
[14:13:52] <Sync> am I? can you look into my brain to be sure that you did not give me any reason to think that you are a fool?
[14:15:28] <gryphon68> http://pastebin.com/15qzeb4e
[14:16:29] <gryphon68> 7i76E on Debian Jessie, w/ 3.18.13-rt10mah+
[14:21:57] <PCW_> can you ping the card?
[14:24:23] <gryphon68> PCW_: No, have static IP address on host 192.168.1.120
[14:26:14] <PCW_> I would always verify that you can ping the card first
[14:26:16] <PCW_> If you can't, its most likely a network setup issue
[14:28:40] <PCW_> In general I would not use the 192.168.1.121 address except for initial setup since its
[14:28:42] <PCW_> likely to overlap the local DHCP assigned addresses of your Internet connection
[14:30:20] <PCW_> (and therefore have outgoing packets routed to the wrong interface)
[14:30:55] <gryphon68> yes, I was planning to use 10.10.10.1&10 after initial setup
[14:31:59] <gryphon68> PCW_: Should that be the EEPROM address accessed with W3?
[14:32:26] <PCW_> yes, move w3 up and power cycle
[14:32:30] <enleth> PCW_: is a 7i92* with a 7i77 the correct/preferred/simplest possible combination to have servo control over ethernet?
[14:33:20] <PCW_> for analog servo its one way (and probably the cheapest of the Mesa options)
[14:33:49] <enleth> any plans for a 7i77E, like 7i76E?
[14:34:05] <gryphon68> PCW_: How many LED's should be lit on boot? Getting a Red next to P3 and Orange next to TB1 (Field Pwr)
[14:36:20] <PCW_> Red near P3 is bad (power fail)
[14:38:37] <PCW_> (3.3 or 1.2V rails low)
[14:45:05] <PCW_> I would check P3s 5V
[14:46:09] <gryphon68> PCW_: Yes, was low from DC OK side of power supply. Fixed and can ping on 10.10.10.10. Get "Network is unreachable" error on startup
[14:46:36] <gryphon68> Progress is good . . .
[14:48:00] <PCW_> hm2_eth driver set to 10,.10.10.10?
[14:48:31] <gryphon68> PCW_: is that in HAL or INI?
[14:48:37] <PCW_> hal
[14:49:53] <PCW_> well it could be in INI but the example file have it in HAL
[14:49:59] <PCW_> files
[14:50:18] <gryphon68> PCW_: Changed it in HAL and now have AXIS screen. Thanks!!
[14:50:33] <PCW_> np
[16:35:45] <gryphon68> Anyone have suggestions on how to sort coils on an undocumented 8-lead stepper motor? The colors are Red, Yellow, Orange, and Black with White Stripe pairs for each coil. Need to determine -A, AC, +A, +B, BC, -B
[16:36:03] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:47] <Tom_itx> ohm meter
[16:37:09] <enleth> gryphon68: first separate them in two groups that are not shown to be connected in any way by an ohm meter
[16:37:47] <Tom_itx> then a 1.5v battery will find the matching pairs pretty easy or the ohm meter will also
[16:38:20] <enleth> gryphon68: then make a table with as many rows and columns as there are wires in a group and note down the resistance between each pair of wires
[16:38:39] <gryphon68> enleth: I will double check now, but I believe I have already identified the coil pairs.
[16:38:50] <enleth> same thing for multi-voltage power supplies with unknown pinouts
[16:39:00] <Tom_itx> the battery will help you find the 'order'
[16:39:04] <enleth> gryphon68: pairs and center taps?
[16:39:27] <Tom_itx> with 8 wires it's likely a hybrid stepper
[16:39:31] <enleth> gryphon68: you know, to be completely honest, there's another way
[16:40:05] <gryphon68> listening
[16:40:10] <enleth> gryphon68: hook it up to a stepper driver, give it pulses at a steady speed, swap wires at random until it runs instead of buzzing in place
[16:40:18] <enleth> you'll get it in a few swaps
[16:40:34] <enleth> just turn the current limit way down
[16:40:46] <Tom_itx> http://www.victorleung.info/post/identify-leads-on-a-8-wire-stepper-motor/
[16:41:19] <enleth> which is + and which is - is dependent on what you consider the "primary" direction of rotation anyway
[16:41:31] <enleth> it's how they're wired relative to each other that's important
[16:43:31] <Tom_itx> possible wire pairs:
http://cdn.instructables.com/FC4/IPQ2/I84H1X7L/FC4IPQ2I84H1X7L.MEDIUM.jpg
[16:47:27] <Tom_itx> if you energize the coils using a battery, put a piece of tape on the shaft so you can note the direction changes
[16:47:49] <Tom_itx> or lack of for the pairs
[17:04:01] <JT-Shop> afternoon Tom_itx
[17:04:05] <gryphon68> Thanks everyone, a moment of brain fade and the magic smoke has escaped the driver.
[17:05:38] <renesis> cradek: is it okay to mention ebay listing for engraving tool if i dont spam?
[17:05:49] <renesis> or someone else important
[17:06:02] <renesis> like archivist
[17:06:16] <andypugh> Nobody is important. Nobody is in charge
[17:06:37] <renesis> naw man cradek is pretty important even if no one is in charge
[17:06:59] <andypugh> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/54-user-exchange
[17:07:25] <renesis> oh i did not know we had this
[17:07:32] <renesis> ty
[17:23:58] <toast-work> anyone have any ideas on how to generate a small plasma fan
[17:24:11] <toast-work> even briefly?
[17:24:19] <toast-work> without consuming anything in the process
[17:24:28] <toast-work> (other than pressurized air)
[17:28:27] <SpeedEvil> or electricity?
[17:28:35] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by a plasma fan?
[17:28:50] <SpeedEvil> And does anti-air count?
[17:32:42] <toast-work> SpeedEvil: a momentary sheet of plasma in a broad cone
[17:32:56] <toast-work> but I think i found what I need from the plasma jet hobbyist folks
[17:33:24] <SpeedEvil> I recommend ~3 solar masses of air, and the jet as it forms into a black hole.
[17:33:38] <toast-work> wat
[17:45:15] <Polymorphism> he doesnt know what you're talking about and is trolling toast-work
[17:45:53] <Polymorphism> toast-work, what you're trying to do doesnt match up with the laws of the universe
[17:48:47] <SpeedEvil> toast-work: To be clearer - what do you mean by a 'plasma fan'.
[17:50:05] <SpeedEvil> There are many possible options, from ionisers, to gamma-ray, to plasma torch to explosives to torches to LASERs or more exotic things.
[17:53:59] <Tom_itx> hey JT-Shop
[17:54:18] <Tom_itx> hot n humid here... a 'feels like' 109F out
[17:55:17] <Tom_itx> 96°f actual
[17:55:23] <Duc> yuck
[17:55:45] <Tom_itx> good for the wheat farmers though... got it all cut
[17:56:10] <Tom_itx> looked pretty good this year
[17:56:56] <Duc> I dont miss leaving next to wheat fields. Drove my asmatha thru the roof
[17:57:18] <Duc> living
[17:58:55] <JT-Shop> yea, it's been a hot humid weekend
[17:59:19] <JT-Shop> managed to miss out on rain the whole weekend
[17:59:35] <JT-Shop> got hammered here so it's a muddy mess here
[18:07:47] <Duc> we got nailed bad today
[18:08:21] <JT-Shop> where at?
[18:08:27] <Duc> Huntsville AL
[18:08:36] <toastyde1th> Polymorphism, SpeedEvil - i already found what i need
[18:08:45] <toastyde1th> no worries about breaking the laws of physics, it already exists
[18:08:47] <JT-Shop> Poplar Bluff MO here
[18:11:48] <Duc> just wish I was outside the building to watch it
[18:19:04] <BeachBumPete> it was really hot and humid here for the independence day festivities and even hotter today it seemed.
[18:19:25] <_methods> yeah it's crazy, hardly ever hot this time of year
[18:19:27] <Duc> isnt it always hot and humid in florida
[18:19:36] <_methods> :)
[18:19:39] <BeachBumPete> no not in my experience
[18:19:46] <JT-Shop> hows the house coming along Pete?
[18:19:47] <BeachBumPete> but yeah we are in the hot season
[18:20:05] <BeachBumPete> it honestly felt unusually stuffy tho yesterday and today
[18:20:30] <JT-Shop> same in Hot Springs
[18:20:31] <BeachBumPete> JT-Shop its coming I guess. we sent in even MORE paperwork today ;)
[18:20:49] <JT-Shop> holy crap way too much paper work
[18:20:57] <BeachBumPete> unfreakinbelievable
[18:21:23] <JT-Shop> well hope the saga ends soon in your favor
[18:21:24] <BeachBumPete> I think they asked for less paperwork for congressmen than I am giving them for this damn house
[18:21:30] * JT-Shop goes inside to cook
[18:21:39] <BeachBumPete> Oh we have already been approved
[18:21:45] <BeachBumPete> that is what is so wierd
[18:21:57] <JT-Shop> prob less than I filled out to get top secret clearance to work on nuke subs lol
[18:21:59] <BeachBumPete> its like they have to PROVE why they approved it LOL
[18:22:17] <BeachBumPete> I know the paperwork I got for my clearance was nothing like this LOL
[18:22:21] <JT-Shop> crazy
[18:22:54] <BeachBumPete> yeah its out of control man....
[18:23:17] <_methods> you guys didn't have to do psych evals to get your clearance?
[18:23:20] <BeachBumPete> we are hoping to be closing towards the end of the week or beginning of next week but no set date yet...
[18:23:20] <JT-Shop> time to cook, wife is hungry
[18:23:42] <JT-Shop> mine was a long time ago...
[18:23:59] <_methods> funny questions on those tests
[18:24:03] <BeachBumPete> _methods yeah I did and they do an extensive forensic background check
[18:24:09] <JT-Shop> did you hate your mother
[18:24:17] <JT-Shop> shes dead
[18:24:18] <_methods> do you look at your feces
[18:24:26] <JT-Shop> father he's living?
[18:24:32] <_methods> have you ever played drop the hankie
[18:24:34] <BeachBumPete> feels like thats the next thing they wanna see
[18:24:42] <JT-Shop> sorry no times for sargents quotes
[18:25:04] <JT-Shop> gotta go
[19:02:23] <_methods> we can play drop the hankie later
[19:33:05] <jdh> pete: I'm across the state from you. hot and humid
[19:37:36] <Tomi> Hello anyone here ever try uploading an nc file to a fanuc controller with minicom? I'm just curious is all. ^-^
[19:39:16] <BeachBumPete> jdh Oh nice man yeah its pretty damn hot today here. Like I said I grew up in South Florida so I think I am pretty used to the general heat and humidity but for july 5 this seems a bit out of the ordinary anyway
[19:40:37] <jdh> other than that, beautiful. water is perfect. mostly flat
[19:41:16] <Duc> AC was the best thing invented
[19:41:19] <andypugh> Tomi: No, never even touched a Fanuc. But it might work.
[19:41:32] <roycroft> duct tape was a better inventin
[19:42:11] <roycroft> but i'm smart enough not to live where it gets to 110f with 110% humidity :)
[19:42:12] <_methods> minicom should work fine as long as you get the commands right
[19:42:37] <BeachBumPete> yeah it was nice here for independence day too the fireworks in Palm Beach at the 4th on Flagler were quite amazing...some of the best I have seen in years
[19:42:49] <_methods> i'd try and send from the fanuc first so you can see what commands the control sends to start/stop files
[19:46:14] <Tomi> _methods: Yes I definitely need to try that. Since the place i work at has a few different fanuc controllers.
[19:47:01] <_methods> you'll probably have to send the ascii handshake commands
[19:54:14] <Tomi> hmm I foresee writing a script for each machine lol
[19:55:52] <_methods> i've used hyper terminal before years ago
[19:56:12] <_methods> but i've been meaning to do the same thing you're trying to do now with linux
[19:57:46] <_methods> http://www.compuphase.com/software_termite.htm
[19:57:53] <_methods> that may work also i've not tried it though
[19:58:30] <andypugh> maybe just cat filename.ngc > /dev/ttyUSB0 (or whatever)
[19:58:41] <Tomi> I'm thinking it would be simpler to use linux
[20:00:00] <Tom_itx> Tomi, i've used several generic comm's programs for uploading
[20:00:49] <Tom_itx> realterm works
[20:00:56] <Tom_itx> and it's very configurable
[20:01:08] <Tom_itx> including delays if you need them
[20:02:08] <_methods> http://cutecom.sourceforge.net/
[20:02:11] <_methods> there ya go
[20:02:26] <_methods> that should send the dc on/off for you
[20:02:31] <_methods> and it's linux
[20:03:19] <_methods> probably what i'll end up using for my little experiment
[20:03:35] <Tom_itx> http://realterm.sourceforge.net/
[20:04:25] <Tom_itx> works well
[20:05:18] <Tomi> Thank you both =O I'll have to give them a try
[20:05:29] <_methods> i just use cimco at work
[20:05:44] <Tom_itx> i've used several over the years
[20:05:53] <_methods> i like predator too
[20:06:06] <_methods> but we've got cimco so i just use that
[20:06:08] <Tom_itx> my bud was using hyperterm on one particular machine and it stopped working so i set realterm up for him and it works great
[20:06:22] <_methods> yeah i like that realterm
[20:06:25] <Tom_itx> it ended up being a timing issue
[20:06:46] <Tom_itx> i used to use procomm years ago
[20:06:58] <Tom_itx> in terminal mode
[20:08:13] <Tom_itx> chances are good if realterm can't send it, it can't be sent :)
[20:24:51] <Tomi> thank you both again Tom_itx and _methods ^-^
[20:33:49] * roycroft is a fan of tip(1)
[20:34:06] <roycroft> kermit is nice too, but it's pretty much overkill
[20:34:14] <roycroft> it's the emacs of terminal emulators
[20:34:53] <roycroft> but kermit is probably the most portable one ever written
[20:37:01] <Tom_itx> what'd they call that... sliding windows kermit?
[20:37:05] <Tom_itx> not sure why..
[20:40:34] <Frank_12> hellop
[21:45:31] <Duc> Man I acutally get some nice lowball offers for the router tables
[21:49:50] <os1r1s> Duc What kind of router table?
[21:50:00] <Duc> its a Techno CNC table
[21:50:11] <Duc> its in the forsale section on linuxcnc
[21:50:26] <os1r1s> Duc Curious ... got a link?
[21:50:58] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/54-user-exchange/30909-techno-cnc-router-table
[21:52:51] <Duc> at least people on ebay are looking at it
[21:54:16] <Polymorphism> still no luck
[21:54:20] <Polymorphism> waiting to hear back from george
[21:58:17] <Duc> Anyone ship large items on ebay? Wondering how you protect yourself from being scammed
[21:58:37] <tiwake> escro service?
[21:59:21] <roycroft> blah
[21:59:26] <roycroft> rotary table guy pulled his ad
[21:59:31] <roycroft> i guess someone got it before me
[22:00:26] <roycroft> duc: use paypal and you'll have double scam protection
[22:00:43] <roycroft> i once got scammed and got a double refund :)
[22:00:51] <roycroft> and i tried to give one of the refunds back but was refused
[22:01:22] <Duc> but can they claim you didnt package well enough on a pallet
[22:01:46] <roycroft> have the shipper take pictures before loading
[22:02:02] <roycroft> which they should, as if they don't you can file a claim against the shipper
[22:02:06] <Duc> so dont fully enclose the unit?
[22:02:24] <roycroft> oh, you're talking about being the shipper
[22:02:30] <Duc> yea
[22:02:45] <roycroft> require uncrating photos
[22:05:05] <Duc> I dont even want to be responsible for the transport damaging it
[22:05:10] <Duc> seen that alot
[22:08:36] <roycroft> right
[22:09:19] <roycroft> so state in the listing that the buyer is responsible for insuring the shipment
[22:09:41] <roycroft> and that if there are signs of shipping damage the buyer must contact the shipper
[22:10:14] <roycroft> and that the buyer must take uncrating pictures to be eligible for a claim that it was not crated properly
[22:10:31] <roycroft> and you should also take crating pictures and retain them util the buyer is satisfied
[22:11:09] <Duc> 1. Buyer pay shipping cost.
[22:11:09] <Duc> 2. Seller will create shipping crate
[22:11:09] <Duc> 3. buyer is responsible for insuring the shipment
[22:11:09] <Duc> 4. buyer must contact the shipper if any damage to shipment
[22:11:49] <roycroft> what i mostly see for large items is that the buyer is responsbile for all shipping arrangements
[22:12:07] <roycroft> i.e. the auction is for pickup at your depot
[22:12:24] <roycroft> and if the buyer wants it shipped the buyer gets to figure out how to make that happen
[22:12:24] <Duc> does the depot crate the unit?
[22:12:45] <roycroft> if you require the buyer to deal with shipping then the most you would be expected to do is put the item on a pallet
[22:13:01] <roycroft> which means physically setting it on a pallet
[22:13:06] <roycroft> not securing it in any way
[22:13:18] <roycroft> whoever picks it up is responsible for that
[22:13:35] <Duc> wish I could ship it from work but thats a no go
[22:13:55] <roycroft> there would be liability issues there
[22:14:15] <roycroft> people do this stuff all the time
[22:14:18] <roycroft> especially with cars
[22:14:38] <roycroft> as long as you can provide a bunch of pictures of the thing sitting on the pallet, you should be safe
[22:15:04] <roycroft> send them to the buyer and say "this is how it was when they picked it up - if it's not like that now talk to the shipper"
[22:15:31] <DLPeterson> anybody familiar with Wabeco mills?
[22:16:15] <Duc> Ok the sell probably wont go farther since he offered me 1500 but Im countering with 4500
[22:20:23] <DLPeterson> Duc, what are you selling?
[22:20:52] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/54-user-exchange/30909-techno-cnc-router-table
