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[00:11:46] <TurBoss> gn8
[02:25:41] <Deejay> moin
[04:41:34] <lauri> Greeting from Robotics Club of Estonian IT College, we finally managed to get it working: https://owncloud.koodur.com/index.php/apps/gallery/s/yBmb3VhNq4zScYY
[04:58:41] <XXCoder> ongats!
[04:58:46] <XXCoder> what material is that?
[05:02:44] <enleth> lauri: have a vacuum cleaner at hand to remove the dust and try to make some kind of shielding for all guide rods/rails, FR4 dust is abrasive and kills bearings
[05:03:25] <enleth> lauri: preferably, install a hose extension on a gooseneck and position it beside the endmill, then run the vacuum while milling
[05:22:03] <enleth> pcw_home: is 7i92* with 7i77 the correct/preferred combination to have servo control over ethernet?
[06:07:12] <jthornton> morning
[06:07:57] <XXCoder> yo
[06:08:25] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=63
[06:09:22] <jthornton> or http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=68
[06:36:44] <Tom_itx> happy friday
[06:37:48] <jthornton> yea
[06:38:04] <jthornton> thinking of making a dust collector with a central vacuum motor
[06:38:41] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/Central-Vacuum-Brands-Electrolux-Savings/dp/B00E9JNCUI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1467371493&sr=8-2&keywords=central+vacuum+motor
[06:39:13] <XXCoder> jthornton: combine with seperator and you have a very effective vacuum
[06:39:27] <XXCoder> confergal? cant spell that word lol
[06:39:50] <jthornton> I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/Oneida-Molded-Dust-Deputy-Cyclone/dp/B002JP315K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467371560&sr=8-1&keywords=dust+deputy
[06:40:10] <XXCoder> 56 bucks
[06:40:12] <XXCoder> jeez
[06:40:34] <jthornton> had it hooked up to the small blast cabinet
[06:43:07] <XXCoder> and?
[06:43:14] <XXCoder> it blew withinmilliseconds?
[06:44:26] <jthornton> the dust deputy worked well
[06:50:25] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:50:36] <XXCoder> whats its size anyway?
[06:50:48] <XXCoder> picture dont really tell that. all I know its size of big mug
[06:51:18] <archivist> a bit bigger than that
[06:51:19] <jthornton> the dust deputy?
[06:51:26] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:51:53] <jthornton> I'll measure it in a bit
[06:52:00] <XXCoder> I found siZe info
[06:52:12] <XXCoder> 15 in by 9.3 in by 7.4 in
[06:52:32] <archivist> just mod a standard vacuum that has a cyclone
[06:53:27] <archivist> I bet your local repair shop has some scrap Dyson cleaners out back
[06:55:15] <XXCoder> if I ever need one I'd probably make em.
[06:58:35] <jthornton> maybe I'll just use my noisy shop vac that I don't use anymore and put a dome of silence over it
[06:59:04] <XXCoder> or build a centeral vacuum system and dome of silence over it
[07:00:05] <archivist> put it outside :)
[07:01:03] <XXCoder> just build the spikey doom for sound room and put it there
[07:34:21] <lair82_> Good morning guys, have a question about making a commit in git to my branch, do I enter the message above or below all the info about the modified files?
[07:38:00] <jthornton> using git gui?
[07:52:18] <lair82_> I'm just using the command line, I venturing into new territory, trying to make my own branch, and commit my changes to that branch. About the only thing I have ever needed to do with git, was change between master and 2.7
[07:52:42] <lair82_> I'm not I, I need more coffee
[08:01:11] <lair82_> jthornton I found the gui, that makes a lot more sense than using the terminal
[08:01:29] <lair82_> shows how little I actually use git in general
[08:09:51] <JT-Shop> yea the gui is much easier to start with
[08:15:26] <Hydrar> That sound of a endmill breaking never stops startling you I guess...
[08:15:39] <Hydrar> I need to buy some cheaper ones
[08:21:06] <lair82_> JT-Shop how do I make my branch run as if it were 2.7.3?
[08:27:52] <JT-Shop> lair82: what do you mean?
[08:30:45] <lair82> I updated to 2.7.4 and ran into an issue with the changes to the carousel component that were made recently, 2.7.3 still runs fine. I made changes to files, and just commited them to "my_branch" in git.
[08:31:10] <lair82> So I want to run v2.7.3 using my commits
[08:32:55] <JT-Shop> you want to run an installed or RIP?
[08:33:45] <lair82> RIP so I can still use my changes
[08:34:36] <JT-Shop> after building you do . ./scripts/rip-environment then linuxcnc
[08:34:54] <JT-Shop> from the base directory the RIP lives in
[08:37:24] <lair82> so do I checkout my_branch or v2.7.3 then build?
[08:38:19] <JT-Shop> which ever one you made changes to
[08:38:40] <archivist> then he is not running the version he wants
[08:38:58] <lair82> I made them to my_branch, should I make the changes to v2.7.3
[08:39:13] <skunkworks> wow
[08:39:15] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjyJIOoiLW0
[08:41:40] <lair82> I think root x has a connection problem
[08:41:52] <JT-Shop> if my_branch is branched from 2.7.3 then that is still 2.7.3
[08:42:11] <JT-Shop> gotta run
[08:42:17] <lair82> OK, that may have been what I should have asked
[08:43:12] <lair82> How do I create my_branch from v2.7.3
[08:45:52] <JT-Shop> to list all branches
[08:45:52] <JT-Shop> git branch -r
[08:45:52] <JT-Shop> git checkout branch_name
[08:46:33] <JT-Shop> all my git notes http://paste.ubuntu.com/18233616/
[08:46:43] <JT-Shop> gotta run good luck
[08:57:04] <BeachBumPete> skunkworks that looks like some impressive on board conversational
[09:00:01] <skunkworks> I would have never thought about using the axis preview to show stock and actual hole locations..
[09:00:12] <skunkworks> hole sizes
[09:04:25] <BeachBumPete> yeah man that is really cool. Many of the parts I make are from largish stock and being able to just see the stock location on screen would be helpful let alone being able to make all the programming adjustments onscreen like that. I had seen some other videos like this that were non english speaking so I could only watch and try to glean what they were talking about but had similar features
[09:11:24] <enleth> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/13516172_674567132690249_7788791290702700748_n.jpg?oh=db24093c5ab9ae21e6217c9894362ce3&oe=57F00733&__gda__=1475256203_496863cef0847ea2360629527e569805 - a fully mechanical mutex if I've ever seen one
[09:12:38] <BeachBumPete> WOW
[09:14:15] <archivist> I blame skunkworks for related vids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8m8TTPgvgs
[09:20:22] <skunkworks> that was making me dizzy
[09:33:54] <BeachBumPete> jeez man could you imagine crashing with that crankshaft on that monster lathe?
[09:35:01] <cradek> that silly little tool holder would just snap off
[09:35:18] <BeachBumPete> or all hell would break loose
[09:35:41] <cradek> yeah a serious crash might flip the lathe over or something
[09:37:19] <BeachBumPete> I used to run a machine about an eight that size and I bottomed out a bigass boring bar in the bottom of a hole accidentally and it did not even slow down. Just snapped the whole boring bar off and it laid there inside the pocket rolling with the part. If it had not broken off I can just imagine what would have happened. Needless to say I had to clean out my shorts after
[09:40:27] <skunkworks> BeachBumPete, did you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXLF0u-tdT0
[09:41:07] <skunkworks> (the tool change down cylinder is fixed now - had a bad seal and a bunch of rust/gunk in it)
[09:42:03] <BeachBumPete> Nice man.... God I swear I would give my left testicle to see my Cincinatti Arrow 500 make a toolchange
[09:42:05] <skunkworks> and for the not-so-faint of heart... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFTifZgQVs
[09:42:39] <BeachBumPete> woah was your spindle scored?
[09:42:53] <skunkworks> 3 years of tool change wear I think..
[09:43:03] <skunkworks> it was just not a cone anymore.
[09:43:07] <cradek> skunkworks: I still love seeing tapping videos
[09:43:10] <skunkworks> 30
[09:43:42] <skunkworks> cradek, so do I.. And that was with the gear tooth sensors
[09:44:15] <BeachBumPete> I have rigid tapped with my Cinci hundreds of times now but that toolchange tho ;)
[09:45:33] <skunkworks> BeachBumPete, I re-used the servo/spindle drives... So the orient was easy ;)
[09:45:34] <BeachBumPete> Congrats tho on the Matsuura...that was honestly a machine I looked at buying very seriously when I first started looking at VMC's. Quality machines
[09:46:40] <BeachBumPete> yeah I honestly did not want to do that simply due to the cost of replacements on them. They are just ridiculously expensive when/if they break
[09:46:42] <enleth> archivist: I've seen an YT video of a lathe that had an operator's seat with stairs leading up to it - hanging off the cross slide
[09:47:40] <cradek> skunkworks: had you done much with ladder before?
[09:47:41] <archivist> enleth, I thought the hammer and press work was more impressive
[09:48:09] <skunkworks> cradek, yes - the k&t has a bit of ladder in it.
[09:48:24] <cradek> ah I bet I've even asked you that before
[09:49:08] <skunkworks> I had some exposure to it at work and in school too. So not a foreign subject
[09:50:15] <BeachBumPete> too bad you don't live in Florida Skunkie I am probably all alone here in regards to getting any help with my machines
[09:51:29] <skunkworks> how did the move go?
[09:52:50] <BeachBumPete> dunno yet we are still not finished ;)
[09:53:37] <skunkworks> heh
[09:54:07] <BeachBumPete> you were talking to me no?
[09:55:29] <skunkworks> Yes - I thought you moved a while ago.
[09:55:59] <BeachBumPete> hehe we DID move awhile ago
[09:56:09] <BeachBumPete> we moved from Tennessee to a Storage unit :D
[09:56:28] <BeachBumPete> then we spent a couple weeks/months trying to find our new home
[09:56:39] <skunkworks> Ah - move the storage unit to a beach..
[09:56:41] <BeachBumPete> now we are spending weeks going thru the home buying process
[09:57:07] <BeachBumPete> its not far from the beach now
[09:57:33] <BeachBumPete> but it is what it is. This has NOT been an easy thing to do just hope everything works out.
[09:57:53] <skunkworks> well - good luck. I can't imagine moving with kids.
[09:57:57] <BeachBumPete> So far it is looking good but once we close on the house and get moved in we will feel a LOT better about things
[09:58:12] <BeachBumPete> the kids is the easy part
[09:59:23] <malcom2073> I can't imagine moving with machines
[09:59:24] <malcom2073> :P
[09:59:27] <BeachBumPete> well actually getting them into their new schools and whatnot was kinda a pain in the ass
[09:59:48] <BeachBumPete> hell yeah man moving the machinery has been the biggest and by far the most costly part
[10:03:58] <_methods> ugh you gotta pay for all the wiring again
[10:04:04] <_methods> and breaker panels
[10:04:11] <_methods> redo all your air
[10:04:40] <_methods> moving sux
[10:05:57] <BeachBumPete> actually I removed the panels and heavy wiring and took it with me
[10:06:05] <_methods> ah thats smart
[10:06:14] <_methods> that stuff adds up quick
[10:06:38] <_methods> people always forget about that expense when moving machines or getting new machines
[10:06:54] <BeachBumPete> but the breaker panel on the house while it is the same amperage capacity is an older smaller panel so there is not enough openings for what I need so I will probably have to install a larger panel
[10:07:42] <BeachBumPete> luckily it is right inside the garage shop where the machines will be and even on the same wall as the VMC is going on
[10:08:53] <BeachBumPete> I was thinking of either installing a new panel or having an additional panel installed just for the garage off the main somehow to add the capacity I need.
[10:09:02] <_methods> you might be better off adding a separate sub panel for the garage
[10:09:11] <_methods> lol
[10:09:14] <BeachBumPete> yeah that is an option I am considering
[10:09:14] <_methods> yep
[10:09:29] <_methods> is the main power comin in by the garage
[10:09:44] <_methods> would be trivial to pop the main outside breaker then run to the new sub panel
[10:09:58] <_methods> especially if it's right there at teh garage
[10:10:01] <BeachBumPete> It would need to be pretty big tho because I had a 60 amp a 50 amp and a 30 in the shop in tennessee
[10:10:15] <_methods> yeah get a 200 amp sub panel
[10:10:15] <BeachBumPete> its not outside its inside the garage
[10:10:36] <_methods> no you should have a breaker where the power connects to yoru house
[10:10:39] <_methods> outside
[10:10:43] <_methods> where the power company can get to it
[10:10:47] <_methods> by your meter
[10:10:54] <BeachBumPete> OH yeah I mistook your meaning
[10:11:17] <BeachBumPete> that is outside of course but the main panel is in the shop on the outside wall
[10:11:27] <BeachBumPete> honestly it should NOT be any real problem
[10:11:31] <_methods> yeah
[10:12:10] <BeachBumPete> the really nice thing is the shop/garage is all painted and has painted floors etc so unlike my shop in Tn it will be nice and clean in there as long as I keep it that way :D
[10:12:18] <_methods> ah nice
[10:13:09] <BeachBumPete> I was looking into trying to run an AC duct into the garage or just adding a window unit or something to air condition everything. NO MORE HEAT OR KEROSENE FORCED AIR HEATERS!!!! YAAAY
[10:13:32] <malcom2073> Dehumidifier for when you're not in there for sure
[10:13:44] <BeachBumPete> ya know whats funny
[10:13:47] <malcom2073> Gonna have a rust problem if you're not careful
[10:14:19] <_methods> my ac bleeds over enough into the garage to keep the humidity down
[10:14:23] <BeachBumPete> when we lived in Tennessee we really wanted a fireplace/wood burning stove but the layout of our house made it damn near impossible so we just lived with it
[10:14:36] <_methods> now this place has a fireplace?
[10:14:47] <BeachBumPete> honestly when we lived here before I never had a problem with rust/humidity on the machines
[10:14:55] <BeachBumPete> yeah man it has a really nice fireplace LOL
[10:14:59] <_methods> hahah
[10:15:06] <_methods> good for burning evidence
[10:15:09] <BeachBumPete> it even has all granite around the face and a nice hearth LOL
[10:15:31] <BeachBumPete> the seller just put a nice new chimney cap on it because the old one was cracked
[10:15:36] <_methods> great place to paint parts
[10:15:38] <_methods> hahaha
[10:15:56] <_methods> wife may not approve of course
[10:15:57] <BeachBumPete> I am gonna make a nice mantle for it because it only has granite on the face
[10:16:19] <BeachBumPete> looking forward to Christmas and actually being able to hang our stockings on the mantle LOL
[10:16:45] <BeachBumPete> we are also really looking forward to wrapping all the palm trees in the yard with lights hehehe
[10:42:39] <gregcnc> skunkworks what are you grinding that with?
[10:49:50] <gregcnc> I see it now. I was looking in the mirror. Did that give a reasonable finish?
[10:51:04] <Jymmmm> For you cheap bastards... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEN-iqMlB3Q
[10:51:34] <BeachBumPete> I love those
[11:04:48] <skunkworks> gregcnc, yes - it was surprisingly nice.
[11:06:07] <gregcnc> I've tried dremel in the lathe before and was miserable. Even a Precise spindle with so so bearings wasn't great.
[11:07:19] <gregcnc> when i built the small milling spindle I just put a carbide tipped boring bar in the vise and trued like that
[11:13:34] <skunkworks> we only took of a couple thousands...
[11:14:13] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: dremel has no bearings. the ones that are in there waaaaaay back are the dropouts which even chinese factorys wont sell under their brand ;)
[11:14:27] <SpeedEvil> easy to replace though
[11:14:42] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: stil waaaayy back
[11:14:56] <Loetmichel> the unsuppored shaft in a dremel (or copy) is way to long
[11:15:26] <gregcnc> I realize this, which is why I'm surprised the work was acceptable.
[11:20:13] <archivist> sometimes it is how you hold the dremel
[11:20:47] <archivist> I did the engraving with the dremel on these hands http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_07_13_Blacksmith_clock_hands/P1010116.JPG
[11:21:32] <archivist> the long grove on the right minute hand
[11:22:09] <BeachBumPete> what engraving?
[11:23:47] <archivist> the long groove on the right minute hand on the face
[11:25:33] <archivist> often people complain about the dremel when really it is a climb milling problem throwing stuff around
[11:30:53] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/r4Cc5zmy0eY?t=44s solution to disposable utensils
[11:36:07] <enleth> heh, it's nothing new actually, just rediscovered
[11:36:38] <enleth> tortilla spoons have been used by native South Americans for centuries
[11:36:50] <enleth> and even thick tortillas as plates
[11:38:43] <gregcnc> couldn't tell is the sound was his teeth crumbling or the spoon
[11:43:12] <CaptHindsight> I've been to places where the spoon tasted better than the food
[11:43:22] <CaptHindsight> and the spoon was plastic
[11:45:53] <CaptHindsight> a low calorie and high fiber version would just use sawdust with a starch binder
[11:46:34] <Deejay> re
[11:47:20] <KreAa_bbl> CaptHindsight: I've actually eaten from a bowl made like that
[11:47:28] <KreAa_bbl> tip: don't order the soup
[11:47:35] <CaptHindsight> add kale for some extra nutrients
[11:47:41] <KreAa_bbl> extra gas
[11:48:36] <enleth> nearly forgot - a friend running a craft beer bar serves snacks on presset oatbran plates
[11:49:37] <enleth> they're far from a delicacy, so hardly anyone actually eats them after trying out of curiosity, but they have an important property - they decompose with other organic garbage
[11:49:45] <enleth> so they don't need a separate trash can for plastic
[11:50:00] <enleth> *pressed oatbran
[12:00:38] <CaptHindsight> do you really want to eat the plate if it's been sitting on the counter?
[12:01:44] <gregcnc> eh some extra micro organisms won't hurt you, unless brain eating amoeba
[12:02:07] <CaptHindsight> most would starve anyway
[12:02:15] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: the weak over-saninized kids these days
[12:02:50] <gregcnc> maybe, but my kids touch the underside of the tables, and that never gets cleaned
[12:02:56] <Loetmichel> i can remember coming home every other day covered in mud and cow shit and have bleeding gashes everywhere because i fall of a tree...again... and i still ive
[12:03:33] <Loetmichel> and i have not a single allergy or something (other than being allergic to all barbiturates, but thats mostly a plus in my book ;)
[12:04:04] <Loetmichel> s/other day/other day as a kid
[12:04:27] <CaptHindsight> kids that live near animal feces tend to not have asthma and other inflammatory diseases
[12:07:02] <gregcnc> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/for/5661536405.html
[12:08:14] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: we were out in the woods after school each day until dusk.
[12:08:18] <gregcnc> i wonder when these were last used
[12:08:32] <gregcnc> it's child neglect now
[12:08:43] <Loetmichel> and sometimes my mom hat to wash 5 kids do identify her two ;)
[12:09:35] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: parents get arrested here if there kids walk home alone from the park
[12:09:44] <Loetmichel> really?
[12:11:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/living/florida-mom-arrested-son-park/
[12:11:59] <CaptHindsight> http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/14/florida-parents-charged-felony-neglect-after-11-year-old-son-plays-backyard-90-minutes
[12:12:20] * Loetmichel was stopped as a kid a few times by the german police because i was out alone past midnight. and hitched a ride a few times home. [mode: innocent look]"really? THAT late? I had to be home 4 hours ago... could you please gimme a ride home, officer?" [/mode]
[12:13:15] <gregcnc> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5661329619.html dreamer
[12:14:58] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: crazy americans ;)
[12:15:05] <CaptHindsight> yup
[12:15:44] <Loetmichel> we kids were proud as fu** when we could talk the officer into a ride home.
[12:15:55] <CaptHindsight> if kids all carried hand guns then what would be the problem?
[12:16:00] <Loetmichel> no fear there that he would do any harm to our parents. simply didnt happen
[12:16:43] <Loetmichel> and for that "child neglect" case: me and my sister were "key kids"
[12:16:54] <Loetmichel> meaning we had a key for the flat.
[12:17:13] <Loetmichel> because in germany school is over at about 1:00PM
[12:17:33] <Loetmichel> ... but dad and mom worked 7 to 6 each day.
[12:18:26] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: they are called latchkey kids here
[12:18:34] <Loetmichel> so we were walking the 5km to school each day alone and also walking back and making lunch ourselves at home
[12:18:47] <CaptHindsight> was common in the 70's-90's
[12:20:10] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: the school here about 11 years ago started on a zero tolerance policy for whatever they consider "inappropriate"
[12:20:18] <CaptHindsight> schools/schools
[12:21:14] <CaptHindsight> kids can arrested for pointing their fingers like a gun at someone and going "pew pew"
[12:21:30] <Jymmm> O_o
[12:21:50] <Jymmm> YAY Public Edumakashun!!!
[12:22:08] <CaptHindsight> walking home from school alone was also risky, they just passed some new law to clarify this
[12:22:30] <Jymmm> A friend GRADUATED HS, had to goto college to learn how to read!
[12:23:19] <CaptHindsight> it might be automatic suspension for under 12, and arrest for 12+
[12:24:35] <Jymmm> arrest? for what?!
[12:25:18] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i
[12:25:45] <CaptHindsight> "inappropriate behavior", is "disorderly conduct"
[12:25:50] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i feel sorry for you if you have kids
[12:25:57] <Jymmm> Lil thing called First Amendment
[12:26:05] <CaptHindsight> it means whatever they feel like it means
[12:26:30] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: mine are all grown up now
[12:26:37] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: so its not ok to point with finger and thumb at someone but perfectly ok to wear a loaded gun?
[12:26:51] <CaptHindsight> but I had to deal with some of this nonsense
[12:27:22] <Jymmm> anti-gun zealots.
[12:27:57] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: yes, kids can't point a finger but 18+ can carry a concealed loaded weapon
[12:28:06] <Loetmichel> I mean i stayed more time in the pribzipals office than in class in the first years of school (for "misconduct"). but they would NEVER have called the police on it. at maximum they called the ambulance when we got into a particulary BAD fight.
[12:28:24] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: those days are gone here
[12:28:31] * Jymmm hands CaptHindsight a iron pipe and a box of 12ga shells =)
[12:28:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: do your own damn rifling =)
[12:28:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: BTDT with "blank" shells at sylvester
[12:29:04] <Loetmichel> MAN are these loud
[12:29:05] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: we'd get arrested for many things we used to do as kids
[12:29:16] <Loetmichel> (called "vogelschreck" here in germany)
[12:29:18] <Jymmm> BTDT ?
[12:29:19] <CaptHindsight> nowdays vs then
[12:29:40] <Loetmichel> fitting pipe, nail, hammer, box of blank 12ga shells
[12:29:49] <enleth> Loetmichel: meaning that birds fall out of trees when you use one?
[12:29:53] <Loetmichel> Been There Done That
[12:30:06] <Loetmichel> enleth: yes, "bird scare"
[12:31:06] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: RIFLING? on a buckshot barrel?
[12:31:14] <CaptHindsight> we used to fire our tennis ball cannons in the school yard, made from soda cans and powered by lighter fluid or hairspray
[12:31:14] <miss0r> Hello people. Some time ago someone mentioned a method for scraping a flat surface involving three workpeices - and apparently no flat surface to begin with. What is this called? I am very curious here
[12:31:34] <_methods> abc method
[12:31:40] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i dont know what its called but its easy
[12:32:24] <Loetmichel> you can even get away with 2 workpices if one of them is a sheet of metal so you can use both sides
[12:32:57] <miss0r> I am looking on google for some material to read on, so I might give it a go
[12:33:05] <archivist> thick sheet to be rigid enough
[12:33:12] <miss0r> I just can't seem to find it. even searching for methods 'ABC method'
[12:33:17] <Sync> conelly has it
[12:33:24] <_methods> also called 3 plate method
[12:33:44] <_methods> http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/machine-shop/surface-finishing/hand-scraping/index.html
[12:33:47] <archivist> the conelly book is teh bible to some extent
[12:34:35] <archivist> 1955. Connolly. Machine Tool Reconditioning
[12:35:18] <miss0r> goodie :) stuff to read. Thanks guys
[12:35:24] <archivist> find a second hand copy
[12:35:27] <_methods> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/archive/index.php/t-48019.html
[12:35:35] <_methods> three plate method described
[12:36:03] <_methods> or more correctly generation of surfaces by averaging errors
[12:37:26] <miss0r> indeed. Well, as I am too cheap to go buy a good surface plate, and I need the experience with hand scraping, I will give this a go
[12:38:16] <Sync> just buy a surface plate
[12:38:17] <Sync> they are cheap
[12:38:37] <_methods> surface plates are cheap........shipping is not lol
[12:38:46] <Loetmichel> cheaper than a slab uf sufficiently thick cast iron
[12:38:52] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is that anything like the "3 sea shells" when there is no toilet paper?
[12:38:56] <Loetmichel> to scrape into a surface palte
[12:38:57] <_methods> hahah
[12:39:03] <_methods> i don't think so
[12:39:24] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: That sea shell problem is easily remeided by swearing a lot ;)
[12:39:30] <_methods> hehe
[12:40:02] <CaptHindsight> didn't know that film was so popular
[12:40:21] <miss0r> I did find a quite cheap DIN 876/0 surface plate. but this can be done for free.
[12:40:37] <miss0r> well.. Free; as in - I have the materials needed on the shelf
[12:40:54] <miss0r> also - can scraping only be done with cast iron?
[12:41:07] <gregcnc> https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tragic-loss a semi crosses the road and neither autopilot nor driver saw it
[12:41:28] <archivist> ew effin good starting price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mikron-T90-Lathe-/262506962369
[12:42:00] <archivist> clock makers lathe
[12:42:06] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: yeah, the tesla has very few sensors compared to the google cars
[12:42:42] <gregcnc> same guy that posted the video recently where the car saved him
[12:56:10] <gregcnc> nope https://youtu.be/Sr3xlgRIqSU?t=41s
[12:56:54] <Sync> 10/10 would ride
[13:05:42] <motioncontrol> Hi at all. i have a problem with M66 coomand. if use iov2 config and write in abort_command file the words : m66 e0 l0, the procedure abort is append not finisch. the m66 command in abort procedure iov2 not fuction.
[13:06:19] <motioncontrol> this problem is present in all version and master
[14:08:17] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpCyIR0pq8c
[14:08:22] <Polymorphism> my machine being constructed
[14:08:43] <Polymorphism> the gantry plates , Imean
[14:10:56] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8TVamrTtk external threads
[14:29:32] <CaptHindsight> looks like somebody has to write DNA-CAM for converting DNA sequences into G-code
[14:29:49] <CaptHindsight> looks like its gonna have to be me
[14:31:51] <gregcnc> what are you 3d printing first dogs or people?
[14:34:15] <CaptHindsight> I taste my lunch when I see how https://opentrons.com/ does it
[14:34:43] <CaptHindsight> http://mix.bio/
[14:37:52] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: just small parts of either first
[14:38:39] <CaptHindsight> java subroutines
[14:47:20] <CaptHindsight> holyF! they use a smoothieboard
[14:48:47] <CaptHindsight> talk about myopia
[14:54:42] <CaptHindsight> how do you add inkjets, machine vision, sensors, galvos, etc to a Fing poopieboard?
[14:58:48] <Hydrar> You don't, you use a PC for it
[14:59:31] <miss0r> I lost connection it seems. I asked in here, if the scraping technique only applies to cast iron, but didn't see if anyone answered. Someone?
[14:59:54] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: aluminum tends to gouge when scraped
[15:00:10] <miss0r> I can see that. but something like mild steel?
[15:00:28] <CaptHindsight> it's all in the wrist
[15:00:39] <miss0r> that what my wife says :P
[15:02:33] <CaptHindsight> mild to soft steel (mystery metal) like a cheap ChinaCo lathe, mill etc
[15:03:08] <CaptHindsight> I swear India and China have some funky mystery alloys they use often
[15:03:47] <miss0r> compressed tins'n foil cans pressed together at relatively low temperatures
[15:03:52] <miss0r> makes for a funky material
[15:04:12] <CaptHindsight> someone gave me some supposedly aluminum sheet from India to anodize since they thought they were doing it wrong
[15:04:33] <Lowridah_> bio bots like this scare me
[15:04:35] <CaptHindsight> ends up there wasn't enough aluminum in it for it to anodize
[15:04:36] <Lowridah_> someone in
[15:04:46] <Lowridah_> eh it just scares me
[15:04:50] <miss0r> A place I used to work, looked into ordering aluminum blocks from india. we are talking 24" cubic stuff.. They had one come apart, as a peice of spring steel was lodged inside of it
[15:05:03] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:06:01] <CaptHindsight> Lowridah_: zombie apocalypse?
[15:17:15] <CaptHindsight> Processors: Raspberry Pi 3 Arduino Mega 2560 http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160630-aether-1-3d-bio-printer-impresses-with-beautiful-time-lapse-video-demonstration.html
[15:18:47] <CaptHindsight> archivist: talk about lack of credibility Minimum Resolution: Standard Motor Z axis – 43 nanometers (0.000043mm) Standard Motor X/Y axis – 1 micron (0.001mm) High Resolution Motor Z axis – 0.4 nanometers (0.0000004mm) High Resolution Motor X/Y axis – 10 nanometers (0.00001mm)
[15:25:28] <CaptHindsight> 4 angstrom resolution at what 1 deg kelvin?
[15:52:13] <PCW_> why mess with big molecules? at 4 angtrom resolution you can push atoms around
[15:53:08] <XXCoder> I noticed machine I have been running lately has 0.00001 resoluion. dang.
[15:53:24] <PCW_> Those must be rather special belts
[15:55:04] <PCW_> .00001 inch or mm?
[15:55:15] <XXCoder> oh sorry lol inches
[15:55:36] <gregcnc> which machine
[15:55:56] <XXCoder> dont remember lol a secon see if can find it
[15:56:28] <XXCoder> https://www.makino.com/images/mediacenter/D500.jpg
[15:57:05] <XXCoder> one flaw with it is that after 30 min rapid cutting with no coolant, tool change at end is likely to fail
[15:57:33] <gregcnc> what goes wrong?
[15:57:40] <XXCoder> I finally figured out why yeserday, its quite hot, and waiting 3 minutes is enough to make it work
[15:57:49] <XXCoder> gregcnc: it fails to grab new tool
[15:58:58] <gregcnc> seems like an odd problem. just won't do a tool change?
[15:59:01] <XXCoder> its door is... heavy. lol
[15:59:33] <XXCoder> gregcnc: tool change goes fine
[15:59:42] <XXCoder> it just fails to grip tool at end
[15:59:55] <XXCoder> but after 3 min cooldown it always grips fine
[16:00:18] <XXCoder> my theory is new tool is cooler therefore its slightly smaller than spindle tool holders gripper etc
[16:00:34] <XXCoder> but 3 min is enouggh for spindle stuff to cool down
[16:01:59] <XXCoder> I like cat40/50 type better
[16:02:15] <XXCoder> that uses weird tool holder
[16:02:57] <gregcnc> HSK?
[16:03:22] <XXCoder> pictures look familiar so I guess yes
[16:04:26] <gregcnc> seems like an odd problem for what $1M+ machine
[16:04:32] <XXCoder> indeed!
[16:04:52] <XXCoder> it $750k apparently when it was bought by company
[16:05:01] <XXCoder> still very odd issue
[16:05:27] <XXCoder> it may be HSK problem
[16:05:39] <XXCoder> because rest of machine is pretty great
[16:05:50] <XXCoder> I like its ui too
[16:08:14] <XXCoder> well time to go later
[16:08:28] <gregcnc> I think the clamp for HSK is supposed to be serviced/replaced regularly, but I'm not familiar.
[16:08:53] <XXCoder> o rings too, but its specific to one tool
[16:09:06] <XXCoder> and its one right after that rapid cutting
[16:09:13] <XXCoder> and job uses 12 tools
[16:11:23] <XXCoder> I leave you guys with this picture https://67.media.tumblr.com/fbaa675db8155f4396db75369ec67676/tumblr_o91t03wOle1uke22ao1_400.gif
[16:35:35] <Deejay> gn8
[19:13:01] <XXCoder> http://www.eliomotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/E1-1024x668.jpg
[19:13:06] <XXCoder> E1 is complete!
[19:13:55] <XXCoder> you can see p2 to p5 as well on side http://www.eliomotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Paul-Speaking.jpg
[19:14:40] <malcom2073_> Heh
[19:15:02] <malcom2073_> Still waiting to see if they either drop their claims, or raise their price.
[19:15:19] <XXCoder> headlights is black because its not intended for legal driving, just testing and evenually physical collision test
[19:16:30] <XXCoder> ugh if I never see p2 again, it would be too soon
[19:16:44] <XXCoder> its headlights is so weird
[19:17:05] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: I just hope its not risen too much
[19:17:15] <malcom2073_> Me too, I'd totally buy one for my normal commute
[19:17:18] <XXCoder> automatic is an option because price is quite low
[19:17:29] <XXCoder> $7,200 for automatic version
[19:17:32] <malcom2073_> standard transmission would make it kinda fun maybe
[19:17:47] <XXCoder> though it has included MANY MANY features thats "optional" in other cars
[19:17:52] <XXCoder> as standard
[19:18:27] <malcom2073_> All I need is AC, heat, and some sort of speakers/stereo with aux input and I'm happy.
[19:18:39] <XXCoder> though as soon as I get mine, I am wrapping bluetooth interface in foil
[19:18:57] <XXCoder> more and more car hacking :(
[19:19:13] <malcom2073_> Heh, that won't help
[19:19:23] <XXCoder> yeah its not quite faraday
[19:19:37] <malcom2073_> That, and if you're targeted for something like that, you're pretty much screwed
[19:19:59] <XXCoder> still, it would shorten range pretty good, making my car less (not elimated) hackable
[19:20:41] <malcom2073_> You think making someone need to be within 5ft instead of 20 is gonna help you? :-P
[19:20:49] <XXCoder> well yes
[19:20:54] <XXCoder> expecially when driving
[19:20:58] <malcom2073_> Nobody is hacking you when driving
[19:21:06] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: man didnt you know?
[19:21:16] <XXCoder> one guy got in accient because of hacking while it was enroute
[19:21:24] <malcom2073_> link to source?
[19:21:50] <malcom2073_> I mean, I know you cang et in and do things like steer the car, I've done that
[19:22:04] <_methods> michael hastings
[19:22:16] <malcom2073_> But that requires a fair amount of concentration and work, during which someone would have to be driving next to or behind you while doing so. Eg: Targeted
[19:22:18] <XXCoder> hasting is probabkle yeah
[19:22:26] <XXCoder> https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ tests that prove it worked
[19:23:03] <XXCoder> "I mentally congratulated myself on my courage under pressure. That’s when they cut the transmission.
[19:23:03] <XXCoder> Immediately my accelerator stopped working. As I frantically pressed the pedal and watched the RPMs climb, the Jeep lost half its speed, then slowed to a crawl. This occurred just as I reached a long overpass, with no shoulder to offer an escape. The experiment had ceased to be fun."
[19:23:08] <malcom2073_> "Via the internet"
[19:23:11] <malcom2073_> Not via bluetooth
[19:23:17] <malcom2073_> Tin foil hats won't help you there
[19:23:29] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: yeah I dont plan to use sat connection on my car
[19:23:36] <XXCoder> so that would be fine
[19:24:30] <malcom2073_> It won't take long until mfg's realize that exposing such control without physical connection is stupid.
[19:24:37] <malcom2073_> Couple of deaths
[19:24:41] <XXCoder> indeed!
[19:25:05] <XXCoder> or in least, keep THOSE modules away from modules that is accessable via bluetooth or internet in any way
[19:25:28] <malcom2073_> phyiscally away, on their own network bus
[19:25:42] <malcom2073_> No multi-bus computers connecting them that can be exploited
[19:25:59] <XXCoder> yeah what I meant :)
[19:26:18] <malcom2073_> The elio is cheap enough it'll be hacked all to hell, in good ways
[19:26:21] <XXCoder> sure it can be built into one circuit board, just no connections or bus between those period
[19:26:32] <XXCoder> one board to save money
[19:26:50] <XXCoder> it does not share CPU or anything
[19:27:17] <XXCoder> indeed, there is pretty lots of 3rd party stuff ready to go
[19:27:25] <XXCoder> one company made trailer for elio. really.
[19:27:56] <malcom2073_> lol
[19:28:00] <malcom2073_> Be good for RV'ers
[19:28:26] <XXCoder> actually no trailer for elio. to be towed by elio
[19:28:33] <malcom2073_> Haha
[19:28:34] <malcom2073_> Wow
[19:28:44] <malcom2073_> Eh... no diffeernt than a bike trailer I guess
[19:28:48] <XXCoder> indeed
[19:28:58] <XXCoder> it wont be able to haul full size with say ref on it lol
[19:29:19] <XXCoder> its top speed is 100 mph so it does have power for smallish trailers
[19:29:36] <malcom2073_> lol
[19:29:46] <malcom2073_> A nice small bike trailer is good for the normal car-like cargo that youcan't fit inside though
[19:29:56] <XXCoder> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5cLU7mS8zT8/maxresdefault.jpg
[19:30:02] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:30:18] <XXCoder> there is tons concept artwork by others who look forward to elio lol
[19:30:43] <XXCoder> http://www.elioclub.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47 various ideas
[19:32:46] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: body artwork http://www.elioowners.com/threads/this-will-be-our-new-elio-thanks-to-silas-his-design.86/ lol
[19:32:49] <XXCoder> some is really cool.
[19:34:06] <XXCoder> ELIOFighter one is funny lol
[19:34:25] <XXCoder> plane one is awesome
[19:36:21] <XXCoder> interesting http://gas2.org/2014/09/14/7-best-possible-uses-elio-motor/
[19:36:53] <XXCoder> that engine design is so fixable.
[19:37:11] <XXCoder> there will be thousands of elios 50 years later probably because of that. lol
[19:39:18] <malcom2073_> Heh
[19:39:26] <malcom2073_> I dunno about all the paintings and stuff, I just wouldn't mind one to drive
[19:39:34] <XXCoder> I went all in
[19:39:43] <XXCoder> #16,032 lol
[19:39:53] <malcom2073_> lol ballsy
[19:39:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:40:19] <malcom2073_> If tesla has proved anything about car design: Don't be an early adopter unless you're fanatical
[19:40:20] <XXCoder> 50% bonus is gone, now 25%
[19:40:37] <XXCoder> yeah its a risk but I decided to go for it
[19:40:57] <XXCoder> I want to support more ecogical option thats not limited to 100 miles to 200 miles
[19:41:20] <XXCoder> it has 8 gallons and 86 mpg. can drive for quite a long distance.
[19:41:39] <malcom2073_> I wish wikispeed hadgone somewhere
[19:41:52] <XXCoder> wikispeed? wiki about cars?
[19:41:58] <malcom2073_> no, it was a 100mpg car
[19:42:04] <malcom2073_> totally modular and open design
[19:42:07] <XXCoder> http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/hemi-bigwheel.jpg
[19:42:17] <XXCoder> forget elio i want that with elio engine ;)
[19:42:58] <XXCoder> researching
[19:43:19] <malcom2073_> It was used as a kick-off for scrum/agile
[19:43:58] <malcom2073_> I got to work on one a couple years back, playing with our open source aftermarket engine controller to replace the honda one (they were using a civic engine) to provide more control
[19:44:06] <XXCoder> they had a kickstarter in 2014
[19:44:09] <malcom2073_> but I don't know that they've done much actual development since
[19:46:19] <XXCoder> small penises? lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u17ll043Ld8
[19:46:44] <malcom2073_> big balls
[19:46:54] <XXCoder> likely yeah
[19:48:45] <XXCoder> one of awesome things about elio is that it can be converted to electric easily
[19:48:56] <XXCoder> and it is small and light enough to get quite good range
[19:50:42] <malcom2073_> Hmm... electric with tow-behind battery?
[19:51:00] <XXCoder> lol nah without engine the engine space can be completely full of battery
[19:51:09] <XXCoder> and use motor wheels
[19:51:23] <XXCoder> and yes can have booster battery tow thingy lol
[19:53:31] <malcom2073_> I always wondered about having an electric, towing a backup generator to make for a hybrid system
[19:55:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:55:42] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/_ZTtWnFMc_s wow
[19:55:48] <XXCoder> super realistic model plane
[19:55:57] <XXCoder> it flies like real one, so its not easy to fly
[19:58:11] <XXCoder> hey BeachBumPete
[19:58:14] <XXCoder> how goes it
[19:58:59] <malcom2073_> Oh cool, it's a helium filled body
[19:59:02] <malcom2073_> And very lightweight
[19:59:05] <gregcnc> I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApEkLmUDKY
[19:59:38] <XXCoder> checked if has autocaptions in least.. nope. aw
[19:59:49] <XXCoder> helium interesting
[20:00:31] <malcom2073_> I like it, lightweight and slow, so it flies realisticly
[20:00:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:00:42] <XXCoder> I bet thats why its indoors.
[20:00:51] <XXCoder> normal wind'e be like harrcine level wings to it
[20:00:54] <XXCoder> *winds
[20:01:03] <gregcnc> those are built for indoors
[20:02:18] <gregcnc> very light models are OK in wind if they are low drag and/or have enough power.
[20:03:54] <XXCoder> always wanted plane rc but never bothered lol
[20:04:16] <XXCoder> I dont want 500 hours recharge, 1/2 second flight time model hough lol
[20:04:22] <malcom2073_> Get a nitro
[20:04:32] <malcom2073_> I got a nitro, 30 minutes of flight time, 30 seconds of refuel
[20:05:04] <gregcnc> you just bring several batteries charged at home
[20:06:24] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/QkZS1YWPpIE
[20:08:02] <gregcnc> i wonder what their bsfc is. i'm surprised they couldn't get a handful of modern engines
[20:08:37] <XXCoder> gregcnc: they had to design it to get 86 mpg
[20:08:53] <XXCoder> one of issues is parastic oil pump, whatever it is
[20:13:09] <gregcnc> seems like a smart or japanese <1000CC would be the answer and perform better. they probably couldn't get it at the price they need
[20:13:18] <XXCoder> possibly
[20:17:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Fqo6t64c8 - indoor FPV
[20:17:54] <XXCoder> awesome but nearly unwatchable for me lol
[20:18:59] <SpeedEvil> ~7 min, 80g or so
[20:19:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2474278
[20:21:01] <BeachBumPete> Hey folks
[20:21:06] <_methods> that guy must go thru a lot of props
[20:21:11] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:21:22] <XXCoder> _methods: actually props is protected
[20:21:24] <gregcnc> i thought the same, but the props have guards
[20:21:44] <SpeedEvil> _methods: it's almost impact-proof
[20:22:53] <_methods> ah i see that
[20:22:55] <BeachBumPete> is that an off the shelf bird?
[20:22:55] <_methods> cool
[20:23:15] <SpeedEvil> BeachBumPete: 'no' - though there are people now building it so it is
[20:23:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rc-drones.com/RS90_bymfg_67-0-1.html
[20:24:22] <BeachBumPete> I was honestly VERY interested in FPV drones recently but with all the BULLSHIT legislation they are bringing into it lately it kinda soured the milk for me
[20:24:52] <gregcnc> this should be light enough to be exempt
[20:25:18] <SpeedEvil> The above is well under a third of the maximum exempt weight and quite aerobatic
[20:25:36] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: its not complex actually, it must be above certain weight and you must fly below 500 ft line
[20:25:53] <gregcnc> 400ft sucks with real models
[20:26:29] <BeachBumPete> I was actually planning to start building one of the bigger ones.
[20:27:10] <SpeedEvil> I have parts for a ~10kg max liftoff weight drone. :)
[20:27:12] <BeachBumPete> I was going to CNC the frames and whatnot had the plans sorted but it is probably gonna be too big
[20:27:29] <SpeedEvil> Actually going to be used at more like 2
[20:28:07] <XXCoder> I wonder if cnc router can make one lol
[20:28:52] <SpeedEvil> the frames are not complex.
[20:29:00] <SpeedEvil> I was planning to make mine out of actual wood.
[20:29:06] <XXCoder> balsa?
[20:29:15] <gregcnc> would bounce....once
[20:29:17] <XXCoder> its lightest wood I know, though its quite weak
[20:29:34] <gregcnc> ply would be durable
[20:29:56] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: If the frame breaks I don't much care, because at that point, the much (much) more expensive props have already died
[20:30:01] <XXCoder> I remember meeting someone that was building scale models of ww2 planes with balsa wood
[20:30:16] <XXCoder> you probably can keep it afloat using small fan
[20:30:23] <XXCoder> (not really but dang light)
[20:30:40] <gregcnc> even balsa adds up
[22:45:31] <yasnak> https://youtu.be/pgSWB3zX4D8?t=231
[22:45:44] <yasnak> haha, that elio guy really knows how to sell that car huh
[22:45:45] <yasnak> :/
[22:52:09] <XXCoder> "there's no need for her species"
[22:52:10] <XXCoder> uhh
[22:53:43] <XXCoder> 100% better captions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vobEBqEISh8
[22:54:10] <XXCoder> and nice viewpoint of how it will look like driving it
[22:55:28] <XXCoder> yasnak:
[23:05:49] <XXCoder> wow nice video indeed
[23:06:01] <XXCoder> they also show how its like riding in back too lol
[23:06:07] <XXCoder> it looks confortable.
[23:11:15] <XXCoder> think I cat fit that in elio? https://i.imgur.com/g0derKu.jpg