#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-06-27

[01:28:37] <wholepair> howdie! I just dropped in to share 2 things -
[01:29:16] <wholepair> This: http://www.vagrearg.org/content/gcmc -
[01:29:47] <wholepair> & This: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/447825760/gravity-wave-commemorative-memento
[01:31:53] <XXCoder> I dont quite get kickstarter
[01:32:45] <XXCoder> ahh
[01:34:29] <XXCoder> wholepair: gcmc looks nice though
[01:46:11] <archivist> long before gcmc was available I got used to doing stuff directly in gcode :)
[01:46:25] <XXCoder> I'm quite good on inkscape
[01:46:33] <XXCoder> I might use it for basic stuff
[01:47:23] <archivist> it is for mathematical shapes like my gears
[01:50:03] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Brexit.jpg
[01:52:51] <XXCoder> bricking it up
[02:03:12] <roycroft> #regrexit is growing rapidly
[02:04:50] <XXCoder> whats tht channel for
[02:04:57] <roycroft> not a channel
[02:05:00] <roycroft> a twitter hashtag
[02:05:05] <XXCoder> ah
[02:05:27] <roycroft> there's a petition to redo the referendum
[02:06:05] <XXCoder> I hear its huge mess
[02:06:16] <XXCoder> usa really sucks on international news
[02:06:41] <roycroft> apparently a lot of people woke up on friday and went "holy shit! it actually passed! i didn't think my protest vote would mean anything!"
[02:07:00] <archivist> the EU needed a wake up, it got it
[02:07:21] <roycroft> not the most desirable way to effect that
[02:07:27] <roycroft> but i can't disagree that a wakeup was needed
[02:07:28] <XXCoder> few low-brain people commented on that
[02:07:33] <XXCoder> made me laugh
[02:08:08] <roycroft> david cameron's legacy - the man who destroyed the eu and broke up the uk
[02:08:25] <roycroft> that's what will happen if this doesn't get fixed
[02:08:32] <archivist> we joined the common market, we did not jojn to get bossed about and pay loads of money to keep Greece afloat
[02:08:38] <XXCoder> that the new british pm?
[02:08:50] <roycroft> that's the soon-to-be-retired pm
[02:09:00] <roycroft> archivist: the common market made a lot of sense
[02:09:05] <roycroft> the euro zero sense
[02:09:15] <roycroft> at least the uk was smart enough to stay out of the eurozone
[02:09:26] <roycroft> but the euro is still affecting the uk
[02:09:58] <roycroft> what kind of a moron devises a scheme to create a common currency without a common economic policy?
[02:10:04] <roycroft> who thought that would ever work?
[02:10:08] <XXCoder> I can't imange what it is like there, with so many countries neighbors
[02:10:11] <roycroft> and who is surprised that it didn't work?
[02:10:23] <XXCoder> here we got mexico and canadian
[02:10:25] <XXCoder> canada
[02:10:29] <roycroft> xxcoder: it's kind of like states of the us now
[02:10:35] <roycroft> sort of
[02:10:39] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:10:50] <roycroft> but it's weird
[02:10:55] <roycroft> and the uk especially weird
[02:11:02] <roycroft> the uk is not part of the shengen zone nor the eurozone
[02:11:11] <roycroft> yet the uk is affected by both
[02:11:29] <XXCoder> british leaving will effect usa
[02:11:34] <roycroft> now the city of london wants to become a city-state
[02:11:36] <XXCoder> ecomony is so interconnected now
[02:11:46] <XXCoder> *affect
[02:11:55] <roycroft> will we see a new kingdom of mercia next?
[02:12:12] <roycroft> scotland is on the way out
[02:12:19] <XXCoder> roycroft: closest thing to might happen is texas leaving here
[02:12:34] <roycroft> only days after the referendum and 59% of scots are in favor of leaving
[02:12:37] <XXCoder> the "big everything but... " texas
[02:13:02] <roycroft> northern ireland are making noises about reconciling with the irish republic
[02:13:29] <roycroft> and if the eton boys running the country keep running around like mindless twits even wales will want out
[02:14:00] <roycroft> we had a sextit once
[02:14:03] <roycroft> that didn't go so well
[02:14:26] <roycroft> i wouldn't mind a texit :)
[02:14:33] <roycroft> or a flexit
[02:14:59] <roycroft> as long as we send cruz and rubio home first
[02:15:41] <XXCoder> sex tit :P
[02:16:12] <roycroft> you know, the great unpleasntness
[02:16:19] <roycroft> unpleasantness
[02:17:01] <XXCoder> the larger part of my concern about brits leaving is that it might stall ecogical improvement programs
[02:20:07] <roycroft> if an independent scotland are able to remain in or join the eu, they might rebuild hadrian's wall
[02:20:18] <roycroft> and if they do it using roman building techniques they might get the eu to pay for it
[02:20:37] <XXCoder> whats that wall for
[02:20:47] <XXCoder> is it same reason trump wants that stupid wall?
[02:20:54] <roycroft> to keep the scots out of roman-occupied england originally
[02:21:01] <roycroft> but now it would be to keep the brits out of scotland
[02:21:46] <roycroft> but that was a joke
[02:22:00] <roycroft> in truth i don't think scotland would want any kind of formal border enforcement with england
[02:22:13] <roycroft> the opposite is not true
[02:23:27] <roycroft> archivist is exactly correct that the eu needed a wake up, but that's not why the referendum passed
[02:23:41] <roycroft> what put it over the top was racism and xenophobia
[02:23:57] <XXCoder> I heard a little bit about syrans immgrants yeah
[02:24:05] <roycroft> just as trump is bringing out the worst of the us, nigel farage did the same in the uk
[02:24:14] <XXCoder> thats why its majority of older people that voted that way?
[02:24:30] <roycroft> 75% of youth voted remain
[02:25:26] <roycroft> i don't think that racism was the primary reason for passage
[02:25:30] <roycroft> i think it's what put it over the thop
[02:25:31] <roycroft> top
[02:25:44] <roycroft> i think a lot of brits are frustrated with both the eu and their own government
[02:26:24] <roycroft> why they elected a majority tory government i do not understand, and i say that knowing what a weak leader ed milliband was
[02:26:46] <XXCoder> so much trouble
[02:26:57] <XXCoder> its always easier to go for low, like trump is doing
[02:26:58] <roycroft> yes, and it's still so unsettled
[02:27:06] <XXCoder> hatred
[02:27:07] <roycroft> and will be for a long time
[02:34:18] <Deejay> moin
[02:34:39] <XXCoder> hey
[05:13:42] <jthornton> morning
[05:14:11] <Deejay> yo
[05:14:39] <XXCoder> yos'
[05:14:51] <Deejay> ^^
[05:17:01] <jthornton> windoze is starting to get annoying about 10
[05:17:35] <XXCoder> thats why I moved on
[05:18:17] <jthornton> to?
[05:18:25] <XXCoder> linux
[05:19:02] <jthornton> everything I have is linux except my solidworks computer and sw won't run on linux
[05:19:28] <XXCoder> I wonder if they are now considering moving to linux
[05:19:38] <XXCoder> win10 being forced on us
[05:20:24] <jthornton> they don't bother my xp
[05:20:54] <malcom2073> jthornton: Disable automatic updates, no more notifications
[05:21:18] <XXCoder> actually it will still annoy
[05:21:29] <malcom2073> Mine doesn't
[05:21:31] <XXCoder> windows 7 once you install certain patch it will
[05:21:42] <malcom2073> Ah heh, well I likley didn't install that patch then
[05:21:45] <malcom2073> likely*
[05:21:49] <jthornton> not true, I never allow auto updates and I get notifications 6-8 times a day now
[05:22:20] <XXCoder> microsoft rolled all of it in service pack
[05:22:26] <XXCoder> so I cant get windows 7 without it now
[05:22:28] <jthornton> maybe reinstall win7 and don't get any updates
[05:22:33] <XXCoder> thankfully I have it
[05:22:40] <XXCoder> jthornton: yeah it'd have to be
[05:22:58] <XXCoder> jthornton: I bet there is download places for service pack 1
[05:24:26] <jthornton> I think I'll toss a hard drive in and find out
[05:25:08] <malcom2073> afaik, MSDN still has SP1
[05:26:09] <malcom2073> Though I wouldn't be shocked if that disappears at some point
[06:04:32] <jthornton> just downloaded sp1 and the installer
[06:04:42] <XXCoder> nice
[06:04:50] <XXCoder> hopefully it does not include any oatches after
[06:06:30] <jthornton> ain't but one way to find out lol
[06:06:39] <XXCoder> indeed.
[06:49:05] <Tom_itx> jthornton, run this and you won't get any more 10 reminders: http://download.cnet.com/GWX-Control-Panel/3000-18513_4-76476409.html
[06:58:17] <jthornton> got a uBlock warning on that download link
[07:01:29] <Tom_itx> i could post it if you want
[07:01:46] <jthornton> I downloaded it
[07:01:50] <Tom_itx> oh
[07:07:51] <jthornton> off to put as much of the ole hoe back together as possible
[07:24:26] <JT-Shop> well the hoe has one old tire left and it's flat this morning
[07:24:32] <JT-Shop> does it never end?
[07:24:49] <MacGalempsy> nope
[07:25:04] <MacGalempsy> thats why it is exciting
[07:41:23] <jdh> pretty sad to have to blow up your hoe every day
[07:42:11] * Jymmm high fives jdh
[07:43:13] <jdh> perhaps it is tine to invest in a higher class hoe
[07:43:55] <Jymmm> Blow your ho... Um isn't that what the johns do? Oh wait... JT-Shop... yeah, never mind.
[07:45:36] <Jymmm> jdh: But he's out there in the boonies. I think he said his neighbor is 80 something. I'm thinking the hoe class is soemwhat limited.
[07:46:20] <jdh> check craigslist
[07:47:01] <Jymmm> But, could diversify... You got your hoe, back hoe, front loader...
[07:47:39] <Jymmm> Ah yes, cl... good point, but I'm not thinking cl = higher clas, though I could be wrong.
[07:49:13] <jdh> it's al relative
[07:49:31] <jdh> or out there, maybe relatives
[07:50:07] <Jymmm> just keeping it in the family huh?
[07:52:38] <JT-Shop> and it's a blow out so I can't use air to raise the axle up enough to get a bottle jack under it...
[07:53:51] <jdh> shovel?
[07:55:06] <archivist> lever under the axle to get it up a bit
[08:02:15] <jdh> rent a crane, pick it up.
[08:05:43] <archivist> he has enough tractors and toys to make a 3 leg lifting device
[08:07:47] <jdh> that doesn't sound like as much fun
[08:16:14] <archivist> I had a flat tire on a main road, stopped in a layby no jack and only an adjustable spanner, some head scratching, drove over the kerb use the spanner handle to ding under the wheel leaving the suspension on the kerb
[08:16:33] <archivist> ding/dig
[08:18:23] <archivist> some hoes can jack themselves anyway
[08:40:10] <Frank_11> JT-Shop: sorry to bother, you around?? about to make an order and i need to know if u can make it arrive before the 4th of july. Thank you very much
[09:54:22] <Polymorphism> failed to fix the ballscrew
[09:54:25] <Polymorphism> tried for more hours
[09:54:35] <Polymorphism> purchasing a new one from george, waiting for some details
[09:54:47] <Polymorphism> it ended up jammed and I can't even take it apart now
[09:54:52] <Polymorphism> plus I think bearings may be permanently lost
[11:22:56] <CaptHindsight> probably never cashed http://free.bridal-shower-themes.com/img/h/o/how-to-write-a-cheque-in-uk_3.jpg
[11:37:58] <FloppyDisk> Nice check...
[12:21:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-Slant-Turn-35-ATC-MC-Automatic-Tool-Changer-CNC-Lathe-1988-/322164550272 this has been available for 6 months
[12:24:13] <pcw_home> not garage size
[12:24:38] <CaptHindsight> they have the same one without leaky seals for ~$11k
[12:26:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-VTC-16B-Vertical-Machining-Center-/351767916493 $2500
[12:28:17] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/182183776666 https://youtu.be/weQkUHbr-Ww
[12:30:02] <gregcnc> http://www.inc.com/john-brandon/the-slow-sad-and-ultimately-predictable-decline-of-3d-printing.html
[12:30:28] <CaptHindsight> "haters going to hate"
[12:31:00] <CaptHindsight> "stupidity is infinite"
[12:33:14] <CaptHindsight> "don't confuse facts with popular opinion"
[12:38:57] <FloppyDisk> Soo... I sold a power supply to my old anilam crusader M control and ebay seller/buyer highendtooling w/ 1007 reviews wants to send a check?
[12:39:00] <FloppyDisk> Hunh?
[12:39:49] <CaptHindsight> odd
[12:40:10] <CaptHindsight> you could hold the check for 10 business days before shipping
[12:40:20] <gregcnc> those guys seem buy everything at auction
[12:41:42] <FloppyDisk> It is odd. I was thinking of the holding part as well. They have a nice little nomura (for $10k), so seems like they're pretty legit.
[12:41:58] <FloppyDisk> And, you're right, they're auction hunters (whatever the name maybe for that).
[12:42:06] <FloppyDisk> holding check - I meant.
[12:42:06] <gregcnc> I've seen several small cnc lathes go through their hands
[12:42:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asea-5-axis-robotic-arm-teach-pendant-7-5-reach-robot-machine-pick-place-weld-/172220823589 $2k isn't bad
[12:42:46] <FloppyDisk> I thought'd I put it up here, reminds of reliable tools out of SoCal, but they went out of biz, so I hear.
[12:43:16] <CaptHindsight> you lose Paypal protection is you take the check
[12:43:21] <CaptHindsight> is/if
[12:43:24] <FloppyDisk> Yup...
[12:43:27] <FloppyDisk> hahaha
[12:43:48] <FloppyDisk> oh - thought you wrote 'as if', but yes, loose protection.
[12:44:01] <CaptHindsight> or lose the Paypal hassle depending on your viewpoint
[12:44:19] <FloppyDisk> Yeah - paypal cut you 'lose'.
[12:51:07] <Loetmichel> *haha* "MORE POWER"... had to use the "emergency water release port" of my washing machine because something blocked the internal pump and it was full with ~6 liters of water... aaand its plugged by old soap... luckily i got a 1200W water ped draining pump... connected.... SUUUUUCK.... PLOPP...GURGLE...-> never seen the washing machine empty SO fast ;)... (and when it was empty it was easy
[12:51:07] <Loetmichel> to remove the block in the internal pump. However the q-tip shaft managed to get into the pump and block the impeller?)
[12:51:42] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: ever get you car fixed properly?
[12:51:58] <Loetmichel> no, still damaged torque converter
[12:52:28] <gregcnc> I drained my dishwasher with the shop vac when the pump stopped
[12:52:52] <gregcnc> found the kids lego in the pump
[12:53:05] <Loetmichel> but it drives. 190kph instead of 230kph and 21mpg instead of 26mpg, but who cares :(
[12:54:19] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: i think there were more parts that could block the internal pump
[12:55:04] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: you'd think that there would be a filter in front of the pump to catch things like that
[12:55:06] <Loetmichel> heard the big 1200W beast rattle a few times and then the "clang" when something shot into the stainless steel kitchen sink
[12:55:41] <gregcnc> this wasn't even a lego brick, but a walkie talkie or something. it's possible the kids threw it in when I was working on it to replace main pump bearings last fall
[12:56:21] <gregcnc> there is a filter and chopper i can't understand how else it made it threw
[12:56:29] <gregcnc> through or thru
[12:57:24] <_methods> entropy
[12:57:46] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/fod/5639611967.html $695 but how lousy were these at thin aluminum sheet?
[12:58:06] <CaptHindsight> great for thick stuff
[13:02:21] <CaptHindsight> when I was a kid could break just about anything
[13:04:10] <gregcnc> i still have to fix the towel rack my sone decided were moneky bars
[13:05:48] <gregcnc> btw, curse those who design towel rack such that they don't fit standard stud spacing
[13:18:51] <CaptHindsight> just install monkey bars for a towel rack :)
[14:43:46] <Magnifikus> maybe abit offtopic, but did someone use the yellow kodak touchscreen lcds 15"?
[14:43:58] <Magnifikus> cause mine is autosyncing vga all the time after 2 minute warmup
[14:44:14] <Magnifikus> i bet its some voltage raid or so, all caps are replaced already
[14:44:17] <Magnifikus> rail
[14:44:47] <Magnifikus> the select button gets pressed all the time, disconnecting the cable to the buttons wont help
[14:46:40] <Polymorphism> making offer on house today for cnc space
[14:55:03] <Polymorphism> new ballscrew///nut likely shipping out soon
[14:55:08] <Polymorphism> going to take a crack at the control box today
[15:00:24] <Loetmichel> hmm, any englishman here? just saw a vid on youtube about the brexit. made by a scotsman... After the brexit there will be a scotexit and then a irexit ... THAT will be fun to watch how the empire is dismantling itself now ;) ... to watch from germany i may add ;)
[15:00:35] <Polymorphism> I love brexit
[15:00:55] <Polymorphism> happy independence day!
[15:04:45] <alex4nder> hah
[15:21:28] <KreAture_> Sniffle
[15:21:52] <KreAture_> Anyone tried BeeBox + 2.7 yet ?
[15:21:58] <KreAture_> I can't seem to get a gui
[15:22:11] <KreAture_> it stops with a blinking cursor on screen
[15:22:30] <KreAture_> pressing powerbutton skips out of the blink and shows shutdown log
[15:34:03] <PCW__> if it has a N3XXX CPU you need a pretty new kernel for the graphics to work
[15:35:17] <Spida> Loetmichel: well, shopping in .uk just got 15% cheaper :-)
[15:35:45] <Spida> (german perspective, too)
[15:38:56] <roycroft> brexit explained:
[15:38:58] <roycroft> https://twitter.com/jhein/status/747353108385259520/photo/1
[15:43:16] <XXCoder> lol
[15:47:24] <KreAture_> PCW__ it's the N3150
[15:47:45] <KreAture_> PCW__ I figured as much...
[15:47:48] <KreAture_> Hmm
[15:47:49] <PCW__> I think at least 4.4 is required
[15:48:04] <KreAture_> well, will have to start by getting it up on wifi
[15:48:10] <KreAture_> then I can start fiddling about
[15:48:15] <KreAture_> :)
[15:48:36] <KreAture_> I got ahold of a ECP capable mPCIe card for it
[15:48:50] <KreAture_> should be possible to get it up on parport io
[15:48:52] <KreAture_> :)
[15:48:57] <KreAture_> My hope anyways
[15:49:04] <PCW__> I have a Zotac CI323 (n3150 based) and it needed a 4.4 kernel before the graphics were right
[15:49:30] <KreAture_> I think you were the one mentioning to me earlier that the latency seemed ok on it?
[15:49:43] <KreAture_> Hmm, oddly enough it can't find the wifi either
[15:49:51] <KreAture_> luckally my realtek wifi plug works
[15:49:53] <KreAture_> :)
[15:50:04] <PCW__> its pretty bad (~120 usec)
[15:50:30] <PCW__> but it runs hm2_eth ok at 1 KHz
[15:51:38] <KreAture_> shucks
[15:52:04] <KreAture_> The pc I had was doing 35us
[15:52:15] <KreAture_> I need it all to fit the enclosure thouth
[15:52:18] <KreAture_> though
[15:52:26] <KreAture_> love the size of it
[15:52:39] <KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/controlsystem/controlbox_2.jpg
[15:52:47] <KreAture_> Here it is in the process of wiring up the BBB
[15:53:24] <KreAture_> the gfx performance running machinekit on the BBB was abysmal, around 1HZ update of display when the demo gcode file was loaded
[15:53:28] <XXCoder> where did you get that box
[15:53:36] <KreAture_> XXCoder Farnell
[15:53:40] <XXCoder> cool
[15:53:48] <KreAture_> Fitted it with the connectors myself
[15:54:32] <KreAture_> The grommit think on right is a "micro hdmi + usb A" to "full hdmi and usb A"
[15:54:49] <KreAture_> will have to replace that now though when moving off the BBB
[15:55:19] <KreAture_> The pulse control from the BBB is excellent but the control is just not usefull
[15:55:32] <KreAture_> and I will not fiddle with remove gui stuff, ruins the whole point of this box
[15:55:33] <KreAture_> hehe
[15:55:43] <Sync> you can probably get a nanoitx board that will work well
[15:56:38] <KreAture_> hmm
[15:56:40] <KreAture_> maybe
[15:56:52] <KreAture_> but with lpt ?
[15:57:33] <Sync> probably not, but eh, who needs an lpt anyway
[15:58:17] <KreAture_> alternatives are pricey
[15:58:37] <KreAture_> atleast with the beebox I feel I got my moneys worth
[15:58:56] <KreAture_> with a cheap fpga board to do the io, at over 100 usd I feel ripped off
[15:59:09] <Sync> you can always get a pcie slot through the m2 socket
[15:59:13] <Sync> design your own board
[15:59:25] <Sync> and realize that it is not worth the time for only $100
[15:59:34] <KreAture_> My job is design
[15:59:38] <KreAture_> hehe
[15:59:59] <KreAture_> last thing I did was a blood oxy meter for medical
[16:00:08] <KreAture_> and a prosthetic hand control
[16:00:26] <KreAture_> I don't do too much fpga though but we have guys for that
[16:00:39] <Sync> then design your own board for under $100
[16:00:45] <KreAture_> still, I really feel the hw should be able to do it by itself
[16:01:10] <malcom2073> KreAture_: That was my exact same complaint with the BBB
[16:01:23] <malcom2073> There's no reason it can't handle all the machine control, but the lack of UI and/or remote capability killed it
[16:01:27] <KreAture_> malcom2073 yeh it does have seperate pru
[16:01:32] <malcom2073> Two of 'em
[16:01:38] <KreAture_> and they do an awsome job
[16:01:48] <malcom2073> They do, but the linux stack kinda falls fairly short
[16:01:50] <KreAture_> but the lack of proper opengl was the killer
[16:02:02] <KreAture_> rewriting the axis system for OpenGL ES is not my cup of tea
[16:02:03] <malcom2073> After I crashed my 3d printer three or four times, I gave up on it heh
[16:02:07] <malcom2073> too much input lag
[16:02:19] <KreAture_> mm
[16:02:24] <KreAture_> Been pondering why not use the ECP dma a bit more btw
[16:02:36] <KreAture_> in bus master mode it can tick out daya by itself
[16:02:53] <KreAture_> using some round robin scheme of buffers my trick from arm cpu's should be workable
[16:03:01] <KreAture_> would take the jitter out of the equation
[16:03:39] <malcom2073> Jitter isn't an issue on the BBB, input lag is. They're closing the control loop in a realtime (ish) space
[16:03:49] <KreAture_> You precompute the 8 output pins state and generate data at a fixed rate where the values are time slices like a waveform
[16:04:00] <KreAture_> Then simply play it off buffer by buffer
[16:04:10] <KreAture_> I am talking about lpt io or gpio
[16:04:17] <malcom2073> That's not linuxcnc anymore though, but if you get that working.... :-D
[16:04:19] <malcom2073> lemme know
[16:04:27] <KreAture_> on the stm32 I am writing a system to do just this for 3d printing
[16:04:42] <KreAture_> It worked on my tests for 32 bit width
[16:04:48] <KreAture_> That is 16 step and 16 dir pins!
[16:04:51] <malcom2073> tinyg2 is the closest atm to having something workable on the 32bit arm arduino thingie
[16:05:07] <KreAture_> It does use an entire word of the gpio bus though
[16:05:09] <malcom2073> But their development is so closed, no telling what's going on there
[16:05:14] <KreAture_> at 16 bit it uses half ofcource
[16:05:18] <KreAture_> :)
[16:05:48] <KreAture_> less important stuff runns on normal servo thread, but the important bits run on dma with cyclic buffers
[16:06:07] <KreAture_> since the pc lpt in ecp mode has similar capabilities it would be awsome to try it
[16:06:25] <PCW__> Thats been tried with a RPI though I think the guy gave up
[16:06:31] <KreAture_> apparantly not many registers to program to get the ecp port doing usefull stuff
[16:06:38] <KreAture_> hmm
[16:06:41] <KreAture_> interesting
[16:06:49] <KreAture_> on the rpi you can do it via the gpio yes
[16:06:59] <KreAture_> The trick is actually throttling the datarate
[16:07:02] <malcom2073> I think people using the RPI primarly use SPI to a fpga board don't they nowadays?
[16:07:13] <KreAture_> malcom2073 copping out!
[16:07:14] <KreAture_> lol
[16:08:20] <Sync> malcom2073: I always wonder why those projects use the arduino cancer
[16:08:39] <malcom2073> Sync: tinyg2 afaik doesn't actually use the arduino libraries, only their board
[16:09:09] <malcom2073> I figure for the same reason there aren't more than one or two actual real promising projects: Not enough interest to justify someone who knows what they're doing getting into it
[16:09:58] <KreAture_> Sync LOL
[16:10:00] <KreAture_> agreed
[16:10:01] <KreAture_> hehe
[16:10:33] <KreAture_> you have to admit though, the ammount of time and energy that has gone into arduino coding and projects would send someone to the moon
[16:11:06] <KreAture_> "poke at it untill it works" actually works when enough resources are available, albeit usually not very stable
[16:11:55] <SpeedEvil> KreAture_: Android 'rom' scene and programming even more
[16:12:07] <KreAture_> hehe
[16:12:12] <KreAture_> tru dat
[16:13:00] * KreAture_ looks sadly at his prebuilt 2.7 image and his BeeBox
[16:13:57] <KreAture_> hmm, 3.4.9 rtai ?
[16:14:10] <PCW__> doubt it
[16:14:17] <KreAture_> not very 4.4 now is it
[16:14:34] <KreAture_> is there an rtai kernel for 4.4 ?
[16:15:09] <PCW__> not sure
[16:15:14] <KreAture_> Hmm
[16:16:38] <KreAture_> What we need is a 32 or 64 bit capable mpcie board capable of bus mastering transfer like the lpt ecp mode but wider and with inputs that can be programmed for interrupts
[16:16:46] <KreAture_> make it dumb as hell
[16:17:06] <KreAture_> let the pc be the brain as it should be and just give massive io
[16:17:27] <KreAture_> well we = me
[16:17:29] <KreAture_> lol
[16:18:41] <PCW__> Nah just use Ethernet and get galvanic isolation from the motion parts
[16:18:56] <Sync> ^
[16:19:25] <PCW__> better to be CPU agnostic
[16:20:11] <KreAture_> PCW__ I already have galvanic iso
[16:20:20] <KreAture_> well I have opticval iso
[16:20:27] <KreAture_> each of the controllers there have full optos
[16:20:37] <KreAture_> (in the box there)
[16:20:51] <PCW__> yeah but not good to be tied to a particular CPU
[16:20:56] <KreAture_> it's not
[16:21:06] <KreAture_> it's a generic method that should work on arm too
[16:21:31] <KreAture_> It does only require that the pins you need are gathered on a port in groups of 8 and continous
[16:21:51] <KreAture_> and be at 8 bit offsets on the addressing so as to allow the dma stuff to work
[16:21:58] <KreAture_> That is, for the gpio trick
[16:22:34] <KreAture_> I tested it on stm32 with 500000 transfers/sec giving a max pulsrate of 250000
[16:22:41] <PCW__> DMA tricks are very hardware specific
[16:22:41] <KreAture_> aka every other 0 and 1
[16:22:56] <enleth> PCW__: is there a 7i76E-like version of 7i77 available?
[16:23:06] <KreAture_> well, being too generic and compatible is why we don'ty have anything that works...
[16:23:08] <KreAture_> lol
[16:25:14] <alex_joni> yay Island ;)
[16:25:43] <Sync> o0 KreAture_
[16:25:50] <Sync> ethernet works
[16:27:02] <KreAture_> I was very happy with my old setup though
[16:27:09] <KreAture_> it just doesn't fit the box
[16:46:39] <CaptHindsight> KreAture_: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/tree/master/base/arch/x86/patches is the latest RTAI that works with Linuxcnc
[16:48:28] <os1r1s> Anyone use tts on their g0704?
[16:58:11] <Deejay> gn8
[17:06:27] <KreAture_> weeeeeeeee!
[17:06:39] <KreAture_> Got the apt-get upgrade to work
[17:06:43] <KreAture_> it fixed gfx!
[17:06:56] <KreAture_> Running the 2.7 release now with gfx working
[17:07:19] <KreAture_> latency check is at 18us now while I run another install of 87 security updates
[17:07:21] <KreAture_> 8
[17:07:31] <KreAture_> not 87 hehe
[17:08:45] <KreAture_> servo thread 18us, base thread 28us
[17:08:54] <KreAture_> That is on par with what I had before so absolutely useable
[17:08:56] <KreAture_> :)
[17:15:08] <KreAture_> :)
[17:15:25] <KreAture_> Hmm, PCW__ do you remember what you did to get wifi detected ?
[17:16:32] <KreAture_> ahh non free
[17:18:48] <KreAture_> wtf, and now gfx is dead again
[17:18:51] <KreAture_> oh well :(
[17:24:16] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/PHpNZ The power of water.
[17:37:43] <PCW__> KreAture_ it was detected by the newer kernel but you may have a different WIFI card, the Zotac uses a Intel 3160
[17:37:55] <KreAture_> Mine is rtl8821
[17:38:02] <KreAture_> according to the lspci
[17:38:09] <KreAture_> It shows up in 3.18
[17:38:24] <KreAture_> latest in 2.7 release for linuxcnc is 3.4-9 so I will have to wait
[17:38:28] <KreAture_> :(
[17:38:53] <KreAture_> I assume there is no rtai kernel in package system if I dist-upgrade ?
[17:39:18] * KreAture_ checks rtai.org
[17:40:07] <KreAture_> hmm
[17:40:33] <KreAture_> nov 2015
[17:40:34] <KreAture_> wow
[17:55:52] <KreAture_> hey guys, I am playing with axis now in the BeeBox N3150 and it is so smooooooth
[17:55:54] <KreAture_> :)
[18:22:59] <_methods> this smooth
[18:23:02] <_methods> https://www.amazon.ca/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO
[18:23:26] <_methods> Jymmm sized anal lube barrel
[18:27:15] <andypugh> I guess the girl isn’t incuded?
[18:31:31] <roycroft> my idler wheels arrived today
[18:31:47] <roycroft> now i have no excuse for delaying the design of my grinder
[18:32:38] * roycroft starts not making excuses
[18:54:25] <CaptHindsight> _methods: CDN$ 2,389.47 = 1828.07 US Dollar
[18:54:39] <CaptHindsight> good time to buy
[18:56:08] <roycroft> i bet the us dollar will tank should trump be elected president, and there's a good chance he will
[18:56:18] <roycroft> so folks in the us who want to buy foreign goods should do so asap
[18:56:29] <CaptHindsight> never underestimate the power of stupid
[18:56:49] <CaptHindsight> it's the only infinite power of the universe
[18:58:52] <CaptHindsight> he might not be asinine enough as President, we need someone to really trash things to wake the stupids up
[19:00:11] <enleth> CaptHindsight: so what happens when irresistible stupidity meets immovable ignorance?
[19:05:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You have a President of the USA ?
[19:09:32] <Duc> _methods: never thought it amazon would have that large of a size
[19:14:04] <_methods> someone has to stock the lube for Jymmm
[19:15:13] <Duc> its only fail since its water based. Doesnt work so well in shower
[19:27:57] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: no I only have a drawer full of Russian Revolutions
[19:43:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduKIF5Mo0k Monty Python: Party Hints and Communist Revolutions
[19:52:06] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: possible VP's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer ...
[19:52:39] <CaptHindsight> though Carly would be another equally awful choice
[19:53:35] <cradek> surely christie has already bought the spot
[19:54:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe, at least Sec of State
[19:55:16] <cradek> head of HUAC2
[19:55:40] <CaptHindsight> like a junkie hitting rock bottom, I'm all for the worst you can imagine for his cabinet
[19:55:50] <CaptHindsight> lets just get to the revolution
[19:56:19] <cradek> it doesn't work that way. remember w? just leads to suffering.
[19:57:40] <CaptHindsight> the Penguin and Alfred E. Neuman weren't bad enough
[20:04:57] <roycroft> the us and the uk are in a race to see who has the most disconnected and dysfunctional government
[20:05:05] <roycroft> at the moment the uk are winning
[20:05:13] <roycroft> but it's not over yet
[20:05:17] <roycroft> and the us are holding a trump card
[20:05:57] <cradek> wonder what the common theme is ... oh right, voters.
[20:06:05] <roycroft> wel
[20:06:06] <roycroft> l
[20:06:14] <roycroft> the common theme is actually wrong voters :)
[20:06:43] <roycroft> whoah
[20:06:44] <roycroft> this sucks
[20:06:59] <roycroft> i just got next month's enco flyer
[20:07:26] <roycroft> and on the front cover it says "as of august 27, 2016 the enco business will be integrating into its parent company, msc industrial supply co."
[20:07:34] <roycroft> that really, really, really, really sucks
[20:07:54] <cradek> yeah
[20:07:55] <roycroft> because if you're not a huge account, the same item costs significantly more at msc than at enco
[20:08:07] <roycroft> and i'm not a huge account
[20:08:29] <roycroft> i hope they will still be shipping out of reno
[20:09:24] <roycroft> the flyer says i'll enjoy "all the products you love at the same low price you paid at enco (purchased in the last 12 months)"
[20:10:21] <roycroft> so basically i should consider that tooling is going up by 30-50%
[20:12:12] <roycroft> oh well, perhaps with sterling and the euro crashing i'll finally be able to afford to import metric tooling
[20:13:15] <CaptHindsight> Enco for me is next day ground service
[20:13:50] <roycroft> it is often next day for me
[20:13:50] <CaptHindsight> their truck freight gets here by 10am the next day for cheap
[20:13:52] <roycroft> sometimes two days
[20:14:04] <roycroft> reno isn't all that far from here
[20:14:15] <CaptHindsight> for it's from Indiana
[20:14:19] <CaptHindsight> foe me
[20:14:35] <BeachBumPete> GO Trump!
[20:14:45] <CaptHindsight> F-yeah!
[20:14:54] <roycroft> tej gppg;e saus ot
[20:14:59] <roycroft> um, yeah
[20:15:06] <roycroft> teh google says it's just over 7 hours
[20:15:57] <roycroft> the main problem with enco is that they ship within 17 seconds of placing an order
[20:16:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah, changes are usually out of the question
[20:16:26] <roycroft> if you call them the *instant* you press the confirm button because you screwed something up or forgot something it's already shipped by the time they pick up the phone
[20:16:45] <roycroft> but returns are free, and don't require an rma
[20:16:54] <roycroft> and there is *always* a free shipping code
[20:17:31] <roycroft> i'll see how this msc thing works out
[20:17:46] <roycroft> i hope they have a way of merging my order history into msc
[20:17:55] <CaptHindsight> I buy mostly large heavy things from Enco... surface plates, sand blasters, stands etc
[20:18:00] <roycroft> otherwise i'll have to download everything so i can be sure to reorder the right stuff
[20:18:09] <roycroft> actually, if they change all the part numbers that won't matter
[20:21:21] <roycroft> i buy most of my tooling from enco
[20:21:38] <roycroft> and i just went to their enco transition site
[20:22:00] <roycroft> they will sell me every item i've purchased within the past 12 months at enco for the same price i paid at enco for one year
[20:22:27] <roycroft> and then, i presume, prices will go up like health insurance prices go up every year
[20:24:36] <CaptHindsight> http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2452743.1449077202!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/mad3n-1-web.jpg
[20:31:21] <gregcnc> my last enco catalog was MSC.
[20:32:36] <gregcnc> much more tooling listed
[21:00:45] <skunkworks> stupid question - I added continuous jog switches to the matsuura. Looking around - It seems like halui has continuous jog inputs. But I wanted to hook it up to the axis gui jog slider.
[21:01:54] <skunkworks> is there a way to access the axis gui jog speed slider?
[21:03:41] <jdh> you want it to slide with your external switches?
[21:03:49] <skunkworks> or am I thinking wrong for implimenting jog buttons
[21:04:11] <skunkworks> no - I want my external switches to use the jog rate set by the axis gui
[21:05:04] <jdh> seems like it would be unlikely to not be available. check the source?
[21:11:16] <Frank_11> JT-Shop: i am about to make the payment with another paypal account!! if u get this message and the payment in time could be possible to send it tomorrow?? sorry for such a bad timing
[21:16:39] <CaptHindsight> Frank_11: JT is in here quite often but I'd recommend that you email or call him if the matter is urgent.
[21:22:58] <Frank_11> i dont know the hour where he lives, i wouldnt like to bother him
[21:23:06] <Frank_11> i called earlier and the connection was awfull
[21:23:10] <Frank_11> im from argentina
[21:24:39] <Frank_11> does anyone know if the Billing/payment address has any porpouse? because i made a mistake hehe, not with the shipping address thou
[21:25:36] <Frank_11> its about 9 pm there, should i call??