#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-06-24

[02:15:25] <Deejay> moin
[05:10:35] <jthornton> morning
[05:16:40] <miss0r> Hello people. I am considering making my own qctp for my lathe. Can you guys reccomend some design/tell me i'm an idiot and you have a link for a dirt cheap quality unit?
[05:18:47] <archivist> also consider gang tooling
[05:19:46] <miss0r> this is a manual lathe :)
[05:20:46] <miss0r> also, I just figuered I don't have a dovetail cutter large enough. I will have to order that
[05:21:30] <archivist> I got a cheap ish one from Chronos
[05:21:52] <miss0r> I don't like the sound of the 'ish' :)
[05:22:18] <archivist> well chepar means imported
[05:22:37] <miss0r> that does look somewhat cheap... i'll need to start ordering stuff from the UK now, before toll is reinstated ;)
[05:23:03] <archivist> hehe
[05:24:12] <archivist> we were fed up of paying EU tax
[05:24:19] <miss0r> I hear'ya ;)
[05:24:56] <miss0r> Just the fact that the EU headquater is moved each month because they couldn't agree where to place it, is just a god damn joke. that fact alone would have me voting the same
[05:25:21] <miss0r> hmm. I have no idea how to dimention this. i.e. what size to look for, for my new lathe
[05:28:18] <miss0r> heh... radio running in the background: "There will be no voting about leaving the EU" well.. I guess we're gonna be shackled to the sinking ship
[05:28:45] <archivist> you need to demand a vote
[05:29:35] <miss0r> I think some, more engaged in politics than I, people are stirring the pot
[05:29:47] <miss0r> One can only hope
[05:31:02] <archivist> A local to me made his own qc tool post and holders
[05:31:35] <miss0r> I seriously considering that. It will be cheap, good practice, and I will end up with better quality(unless I fuck up) than I would ever want to pay for
[05:32:23] <miss0r> I've had my 'new' lathe for a week now, and I am already sick of having to shim every tool I put in there
[05:33:13] <archivist> the other problem is not enough holders
[05:33:45] <miss0r> That is a problem for future me :) I'm realy on the 'beginner' level with a lathe.
[05:33:52] <miss0r> so I don't have that many tools.
[05:35:52] <archivist> I find it is as bad changing tools in the holders as shimming normal toolposts
[05:36:48] <miss0r> that is true. but if I need more tools, i'll make more tool holders - i.e. only having to ajust the tools one.
[05:36:54] <miss0r> so that will take care of that
[05:37:07] <miss0r> Who the hell makes QCTPs in aluminum?
[05:37:54] <archivist> no sensible person
[05:38:24] <archivist> forces are high
[05:38:45] <miss0r> Alot of thoes for sale online :)
[05:38:51] <miss0r> this looks quite good: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boxford-Quick-Change-Toolpost-with-3-Standard-Holders-Ref-390202-From-Chrono-/331867686638?hash=item4d44db06ee:g:OYsAAOSwn8FXStmv
[05:40:49] <miss0r> choice is between ordering a dovetailcutter, and wait half a lifetime for it to araive, so I can start spending the rest of said lifetime to machine it.. or order this quite reasonable unit
[05:41:04] <archivist> steel from chronos hardened and ground,
[05:42:38] <miss0r> that does sound good, doesn't it? :)
[05:44:02] <archivist> what I have on my starturn, they seem to show a few models mine is about 3" square too
[05:44:25] <miss0r> how big is your lathe?
[05:44:44] <archivist> tiny
[05:45:16] <miss0r> compared to what ? :)
[05:45:42] <archivist> my southbend
[05:45:43] <miss0r> This is a picture of my shop, with my 'new' lathe installed, should you be interrested: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7Z2tmNlNlZDlfTlE
[05:45:48] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=starturn
[05:45:49] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: I should probably not mention that I was considering making them in wood.
[05:46:11] <archivist> cannot see pics on google drive
[05:47:17] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: I wonder what came over you ? :)
[05:47:39] <SpeedEvil> This would be in the context of a machine largely made from wood
[05:47:52] <miss0r> archivist: This is a picpaste: http://picpaste.com/20160622_000724-uV9wzpdx.jpg
[05:48:25] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: Sure.. then you'd need to make it in some hard wood of sorts... I can sort'a see that working for slow hobby usage
[05:49:23] <archivist> what is that big thing, looks a similar size to my southbend
[05:49:36] <miss0r> the lathe?
[05:49:50] <archivist> yes
[05:50:00] <miss0r> Its a Zelenda ZN 150
[05:50:15] <miss0r> some eastern european stuff (got it for ~$100)
[05:50:30] <archivist> you need a larger size qc set
[05:50:41] <miss0r> What I was thinking...
[05:50:59] <miss0r> The beauty of this thing is, it is only 600mm deep. it doesn't take that much space in the room
[05:51:06] <XXCoder> no
[05:51:43] <miss0r> that settles it then... glad to have your input XXCoder...
[05:51:49] <XXCoder> lol
[05:51:53] <XXCoder> no, was kidding
[05:51:56] <miss0r> no - what?
[05:51:57] <XXCoder> I didnt read question
[05:52:16] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: sliding is of course an issue, rigidity - not so much - if you have enough wood. Of course, rigidity at a certain point (like you want for a toolpost) is another thing.
[05:52:20] <miss0r> not realy a 'yes/no' question anyway
[05:52:47] <SpeedEvil> Accurate ways yet another
[05:52:52] <XXCoder> interesting lathe. BIG but small workspace diameter?
[05:53:07] <XXCoder> looks 3 in max or so?
[05:53:18] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: Well, no matter how much wood you'd use, you will always have a softer surface. the woods collective rigidity might be sufficient, but getting that transferred to a single point would be the issue
[05:53:30] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: quite
[05:53:42] <archivist> somebody painted one http://www.c-n-c.cz/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14783
[05:53:44] <XXCoder> some 8020 at critical places
[05:53:46] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: I am sort-of-tempted to try it and get it done just to annoy people
[05:53:55] <miss0r> XXCoder: 5 inches actualy
[05:54:00] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:54:25] <miss0r> archivist: That looks like a shorter version of the one I have
[05:54:58] <archivist> 5" is half the size of my southbend
[05:55:02] <miss0r> as the name suggests, I have 1500mm from the chuck to the end of the ways
[05:55:34] <XXCoder> one at work looks like can do up to 10"
[05:55:45] <XXCoder> 5 inches though though
[05:55:50] <XXCoder> 6" actually
[05:56:06] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: Is there a gap in the bed?
[05:56:11] <XXCoder> 10" is a guess, chuck itself I guess is 12" wide
[05:56:23] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: What I refer to as a "well" ? no
[05:56:35] <archivist> some quote diameter over the saddle others over the bed
[05:56:43] <SpeedEvil> To allow turning wide workpieces just next to the chuck
[05:57:22] <XXCoder> company i work got that BIG lathe to cut large pipes for whatever heck it is for
[05:57:29] <XXCoder> I guess its 8 foot long pipes
[05:57:30] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: That is what I call a well. (i'm unsure if that is the correct term). But I does not have that. I can install a maximum of 6"
[05:57:56] <miss0r> I just had to measure to know that for sure :)
[05:58:02] <XXCoder> I'm not familiar with lathes though
[05:58:02] <miss0r> only had it a week
[05:58:11] <XXCoder> is parts required to be smaller than chuck>
[05:58:24] <miss0r> XXCoder: That is also my problem. I find my self needing something done on a lathe more and more
[05:58:24] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: no
[05:58:35] <XXCoder> hm ok
[05:58:36] <miss0r> XXCoder: no :)
[05:58:45] <miss0r> XXCoder: You just need a way to grap it
[05:58:58] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Several ways - you can grab a narrow part of a wide workpiece, or flip the chuck jaws out so they protrude a little
[05:59:01] <XXCoder> and stay above the bed heh
[05:59:04] <miss0r> i.e. an inner bore or a extruded shaft
[05:59:26] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Or remove the chuck and fix it in some other manner, or use a centre and a lathe dog
[06:00:04] <miss0r> Possibilities are endless
[06:00:07] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[06:00:12] <archivist> or a plate
[06:00:18] <archivist> faceplate
[06:00:22] <XXCoder> I just rarely run lathe parts
[06:00:34] <XXCoder> never setup it or anything, just run
[06:00:40] <miss0r> I think SpeedEvil might even consider mounting the workpeice on his wooden lathe with hotglue :P
[06:00:40] <archivist> I use a lathe most
[06:00:53] <XXCoder> miss0r: clickspring uses superglue
[06:00:58] <XXCoder> very effective
[06:01:02] <miss0r> XXCoder: indeed.
[06:01:22] <XXCoder> surpising consider superglue britteness
[06:01:37] <XXCoder> oh yeah miss0r
[06:01:44] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: if it's clamped between flat metal surfaces, it doesn't matter so much
[06:01:47] <XXCoder> little van update. I finally got vacuum gage
[06:02:01] <XXCoder> EGR holds vacuum. so does vacuum cylinder
[06:02:02] <miss0r> not realy. you have a linear stretch over a surface. it is very strong then
[06:02:08] <XXCoder> BPT, however, does not
[06:02:12] <SpeedEvil> Brittleness is more shock loading - and the time period over which the shock has to apply is related to depth.
[06:02:14] <XXCoder> oh interesting
[06:02:51] <SpeedEvil> If you have a very thin brittle film, it can be almost impossible to break in practice due to brittleness simply because the time required is hard to achieve
[06:03:05] <miss0r> Would any of you be interrested in my old lathe? it can be yours of the postage (probally signifigant) as it weighs in at I would guess 60kg
[06:03:08] <SpeedEvil> Plus - clickspring is hardly doing heavy interrupted cuts
[06:03:12] <miss0r> its a small desktop model. but it needs work
[06:03:26] <XXCoder> miss0r: metal lathe correct? what model is it
[06:03:39] <XXCoder> I doubt I will get it, just curious lol
[06:03:45] <miss0r> XXCoder: model... yeah. it says "RunMaster 9x20"
[06:03:55] <miss0r> some emco clone
[06:04:14] <XXCoder> enco
[06:04:53] <miss0r> no no, emco.
[06:04:58] <XXCoder> ah weird
[06:06:03] <miss0r> it runs. it has settings for threading - but some peices are missing for feed
[06:06:30] <XXCoder> interesting. well good luck finding someone for it :)
[06:07:18] <miss0r> i'll probally have it sitting on a shelf for 6 month before I toss it. I just thought I would mention it in here. Someone might go: "cAn I haz the spindLe for spArE ParTZ?"
[06:07:37] <miss0r> and that would atleast have done some good then
[06:07:51] <XXCoder> or restiff it and make it a model lol
[06:08:04] <XXCoder> pretty and nonworking lathe to show off lkol
[06:08:08] <XXCoder> kiddin
[06:08:19] <miss0r> no you weren't. so i'll smack you anyway
[06:09:26] <miss0r> I actual thought about retrofitting it with a cnc driver. for light work. but, as with many other projects of mine, it probally will never happen
[06:09:42] <XXCoder> yeah watch out for project chaining
[06:09:53] <XXCoder> project to do project,..,..,
[06:10:24] <miss0r> I just have this metal box laying around, with a 17" touchscreen in it, and alot of switches'n stuff, I started working on for my old CNC mill. but I sold the mill with a working configuration before completing the new controller. I would just love to have it put to work, as it looks realy pro :)
[06:11:44] <XXCoder> :)
[06:12:52] <XXCoder> did you see comment about my van above?
[06:13:09] <miss0r> I didn't.. reading log
[06:13:24] <miss0r> BPT ?
[06:13:33] <XXCoder> second
[06:14:31] <XXCoder> EGRC-BPT, still trying to find full name
[06:15:20] <miss0r> what does that unit serve?
[06:15:25] <miss0r> what purpose*
[06:15:28] <XXCoder> it somehows control EGR
[06:15:36] <XXCoder> it applies vacuum or somethibng
[06:16:00] <XXCoder> http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/attachments/general-nissan-altima-discussion-1993-2001/40978d1377829418-1999-nissan-altima-replacing-egrc-bpt-valve-diy-project-20130829_211059.jpg
[06:16:21] <XXCoder> there is 2 "ufo disks" one is egr, one with 2 valves is bpt
[06:16:33] <miss0r> that looks like a unit that you simply replace. it looks to be a folded metal case
[06:16:52] <XXCoder> yeah $60 apparently, if I can find any for my van model lol
[06:17:21] <XXCoder> there is 2 hoses, have to test if there is leak somewhere
[06:18:06] <miss0r> indeed. vacuums a bitch for locating leakage
[06:18:26] <XXCoder> https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_EGRBPT93_240SXFig24_1.jpg
[06:18:51] <XXCoder> backpressure transducer
[06:19:27] <miss0r> hmm. looking at that picture... if theres not enough pressure, it will allow atmospheric air to enter the vacuum system
[06:19:50] <XXCoder> am now googling how test since I now has proper name
[06:24:43] <miss0r> browsing through the tools for this lathe. Apparently it came with a shit ton(metric) of softjaws :)
[06:29:46] <XXCoder> heh
[06:33:11] <XXCoder> oh great!
[06:33:19] <XXCoder> I find discription on how to test
[06:33:33] <XXCoder> it labels ports A, B, C but does not show which is which,.
[06:33:39] <XXCoder> http://www.autozone.com/repairinfo/repairguide/repairGuideContent.jsp?pageId=0996b43f81b3d275
[06:45:36] <XXCoder> lol https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/80/8c/1e/808c1ec6f53dcae47640119406a8fa65.jpg
[06:49:48] <miss0r> :)
[06:51:48] <miss0r> wtf... In this box of tools that came with the lathe, theres a plastic MT2-3 converter.. what the hell is that for?
[06:52:18] <XXCoder> heh theres always wtf something
[06:55:36] <miss0r> This is seriously a treasure dig... For the past few years of operations, the boxes with the tools in it, was located in the chip tray underneath the ways of the lathe. I am "unearthing" some cool stuff at the moment
[06:55:54] <XXCoder> miss0r: any good idea what i could make from HDPE block I plan to make soon?
[06:55:57] <SpeedEvil> 'Oh - here are the missing parts of my lathe - doh'
[06:56:02] <XXCoder> what would make a good use for it lol
[06:56:04] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: A MT2-3 adaptor clearly
[06:56:28] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: would be funnier if guy found another lathe inside it
[06:56:29] <XXCoder> :P
[06:57:00] <miss0r> XXCoder: How big is this block?
[06:57:18] <XXCoder> its not final really but I have enough to make one larger than 2"x2"x"2
[06:57:41] <XXCoder> but can be in various block sizes as I plan to melt it soonish
[06:57:59] <XXCoder> I'm thinking of using wax paper sheets and bread loaf metal boxes as mold
[06:58:00] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: I found a complete set of H7 in danish 'rival'. like this :- https://www.hoffmann-group.com/medias/sys_master/root/h57/h8e/8871519289374/b164000.jpg
[06:58:17] <miss0r> ranging from 6 to 26mm with 1mm increments.
[06:58:22] <SpeedEvil> wow
[06:58:23] <miss0r> althou 9 and 17 are missing
[06:58:25] <SpeedEvil> nice
[06:58:36] <XXCoder> geez let us know if you have entire part set for another lathe in there lol
[06:58:54] <XXCoder> almost complete is nice
[06:59:04] <miss0r> that 'rival' set is worth the $100 I gave for this thing more than one time over
[06:59:23] <miss0r> closer to 10 times over
[07:00:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[07:00:03] <miss0r> they all have a ground mt2 in one end
[07:00:29] <XXCoder> you paid $100 for lathe?
[07:00:39] <XXCoder> and tools are worth around $1000?
[07:00:45] <miss0r> He told me he only had the jaws that was installed on it. but I unearthed 5 aditional sets of softjaws, the ones with replaceable soft part
[07:01:16] <miss0r> XXCoder: I payed 100 for it yes. i'm unsure exactly how much thoes tools cost. but they are expensive, I can tell you that much
[07:01:25] <XXCoder> wow
[07:01:32] <XXCoder> wonder if guy forgot to clean it out
[07:01:48] <miss0r> he was retiering, so I don't think he realy cared, to be honnest
[07:02:10] <XXCoder> maybe its easy way to get rid of bunch stuff without sell
[07:03:25] <miss0r> the rivals must have cost him a bunch of money, but i'm not sure of the used sell price of thoes. I mean, you can't guarantee that they are still to spech - and that is basically what they need to be
[07:03:38] <miss0r> a worn out rival is worthless. Althou, these do look nive
[07:03:38] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:04:10] <miss0r> also - the mess down there was covered in all sorts of way oil and cutting oil and stuff, so theres hardly a speck of rust on anything from down there :)
[07:04:15] <miss0r> this just made my day
[07:04:30] <XXCoder> very nice
[07:05:42] <miss0r> XXCoder: You are 'casting' with hdpe?
[07:05:56] <XXCoder> casting a block. then milling it to whatever
[07:05:58] <miss0r> I didn't know that was something you could diy
[07:06:04] <SpeedEvil> Can't you 'guarantee' they are to spec simply with a mic?
[07:06:14] <SpeedEvil> Or am I misunderstanding and those are not reamers
[07:06:23] <miss0r> yes, REAMERS - thank you
[07:06:32] <miss0r> I couldn't remember the english word for it
[07:06:35] <SpeedEvil> Or am I misunderstanding how you measure reamers accurately
[07:06:51] <XXCoder> miss0r: hdpe is so cheap can buy for less than heating and melting em cost, but I'm doing it for fun anyway
[07:07:06] <XXCoder> miss0r: you can make em from melting milk jugs (make sure its clean)
[07:07:13] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: You can test them with a micrometer. but you'd need the spec sheet to know for sure
[07:07:32] <XXCoder> ream something with it, check size with gages?
[07:07:44] <SpeedEvil> Ah - you mean knowing if it's a sharp -.001 nominal vs blunt nominal?
[07:07:46] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: As they have added some material to make up for compression
[07:07:58] <miss0r> that also
[07:08:25] <miss0r> i'm by no means an expert on reamers. but I did ask a guy a bout checking them for tolerence once
[07:09:03] <miss0r> XXCoder: You could do that, and that would tell you, that with the method you just reamed with, it worked to spech. but that could still mean it is out a 0.001mm
[07:09:36] <XXCoder> 0.001 is quite tiny
[07:09:49] <XXCoder> but then reamers is supposed to make very accurate hole
[07:10:06] <gregcnc> reamer will even finish holes to slightly different sizes depending on material
[07:10:16] <miss0r> atleast within 0.01mm.
[07:10:28] <miss0r> gregcnc: indeed. so you can't realy just ream a hole and use that as a refrence
[07:13:04] <miss0r> I just found two curious objects.. i'll snap a picture and post it here.
[07:13:06] <XXCoder> reamers do get worn, I was running parts that use very strong metal, and gage rod was barely fitting at last part
[07:13:36] <XXCoder> it takes so long to make those parts, 8 parts a whole shift lol
[07:14:00] <XXCoder> but same time I ran worse. so far worse is nearly 4 hours for one part
[07:15:20] <miss0r> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7TGs5MjRYRFhGYnc
[07:16:05] <miss0r> One looks like a mt3 boring hear of some kind. the hole takes a square, and you can ajust the depth of that hole, by turning the grip
[07:16:32] <miss0r> the other one is a mt2 in one end and then it is just... I have no idea what it is for. anyone?
[07:17:07] <XXCoder> uhhh
[07:17:15] <XXCoder> first looks like fly cutter holdeR?
[07:17:18] <XXCoder> but lathe?>
[07:17:37] <miss0r> XXCoder: I guess it can be used as a boring head
[07:17:39] <XXCoder> secon is just dunno, might be specalist tool
[07:17:51] <XXCoder> oh that reminds me
[07:17:56] <SpeedEvil> Fixturing for pulleys for example
[07:18:05] <XXCoder> apparently someone at work used big facemill as flycutter
[07:18:05] <SpeedEvil> pins to locate the shaft
[07:18:12] <XXCoder> just remove all inserts but one
[07:18:22] <gregcnc> if there is a way to secure tooling the holes maybe for line boring
[07:18:42] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA-19
[07:18:51] <miss0r> there are small screws to lock anything put in the round holes
[07:19:09] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: lol yeah I remember that. what a big screwup
[07:19:17] <miss0r> I am still none the wiser about this bar :S
[07:19:36] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: rifling?
[07:19:44] <SpeedEvil> Probably not
[07:20:07] <miss0r> I don't think so. as this would always be somewhat centered by the morse taper
[07:21:05] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcN86G04T_U
[07:22:50] <miss0r> gregcnc: it looks about right, BUT, the morse taper would lock lock rotation movement
[07:23:07] <miss0r> and having this just supported in one end makes that unlikely - the line boring that is
[07:23:28] <gregcnc> no center in the opposite end?
[07:23:44] <miss0r> yes
[07:23:53] <gregcnc> what is the spindle taper?
[07:24:14] <miss0r> I have no idea yes
[07:24:17] <miss0r> yet*
[07:24:29] <miss0r> but bigger than MT2 :)
[07:24:54] <miss0r> gregcnc: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7NmRwWE5iNmxBUEk
[07:25:20] <gregcnc> may explain the MT adapter
[07:25:34] <gregcnc> big lathe
[07:26:24] <miss0r> not quite following you here
[07:26:59] <gregcnc> oh I thought you had an mt adapter in there
[07:27:15] <miss0r> nope
[07:36:44] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ngNtK9tKME
[07:38:25] <miss0r> I realy do enjoy watching 'this old tony's videos. Althou, I must admit, theres beginning to be a little too much comidy in it for my taste
[07:40:15] <XXCoder> I see it
[07:40:17] <XXCoder> jeez
[07:40:41] <XXCoder> hey the evil zlog
[07:40:45] <XXCoder> er zeeshan
[07:40:49] <miss0r> hehe. 17mm allen wrench 'made in west germany' ... good'ol days
[07:40:51] <XXCoder> or zeeshan|2 rather
[07:49:40] <miss0r> I think that concludes my treasure dig...
[07:50:05] <miss0r> I don't have any regular jaws for this machine. there were two sets of hardened jaws in there, but they are not for this chuck
[07:51:00] <XXCoder> huuuh
[07:51:01] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/7ngNtK9tKME?t=990
[07:51:09] <XXCoder> never seen that type before
[07:52:01] <XXCoder> dial to find center
[07:52:39] <miss0r> really ? :)
[07:53:22] <miss0r> pretty simple way to do it. I pretty much use my 3D-taster for everything, that included. but it is a bit more tedious work
[07:53:36] <gregcnc> commonly called a blake no matter who made it
[07:53:52] <XXCoder> I always use C holder and dial test indictor
[07:54:14] <gregcnc> if you have the room it's fast
[07:54:15] <miss0r> all legit ways.
[07:55:49] <XXCoder> at home I just eyeball lol
[07:55:59] <XXCoder> (no precision needed yet)
[07:56:52] <archivist> XXCoder, http://www.measureshop.biz/en/measuring-instruments/dial-bore-and-depth-gauges/centring-devices/diacator-centring-devices.html
[07:57:24] <miss0r> archivist: My god that is expensive
[07:57:29] <XXCoder> interesting. and yes.,
[07:57:42] <XXCoder> the hand hold version is $500 or so here
[07:58:00] <XXCoder> BOTH my dial test indictors together total less than that one lol
[07:58:03] <archivist> miss0r, but they work well :)
[07:58:20] <XXCoder> (it rotates as spindle rotates but dial stays within view by hand hold)
[07:58:22] <miss0r> I didn't even pay that much for my 3D-taster, and that can do more
[07:58:22] <archivist> I never paid that sort of price
[07:59:17] <miss0r> good thing you didn't - that is madness
[07:59:37] <XXCoder> any of you ever get .0001" dial test inductor?
[07:59:41] <archivist> there are others, I need a replacement glass for another
[08:00:00] <archivist> .0001 how crude :)
[08:00:21] <XXCoder> most dial test indictor is .0005" marks?
[08:00:25] <gregcnc> i use .0001" indicato
[08:00:50] <miss0r> I use 0.001mm :)
[08:01:18] <miss0r> quite impossible to read at times :)
[08:01:26] <XXCoder> lol ok
[08:01:58] <gregcnc> I actually use it for everything
[08:02:01] <miss0r> I don't use it for fixtuering anything in the mill anymore, I got a 0.01mm dial for that now.
[08:02:20] <XXCoder> my .0005" ones is usually good enough
[08:04:05] <archivist> other type is http://www.measureshop.biz/en/measuring-instruments/dial-bore-and-depth-gauges/centring-devices/centricator-centring-device.html
[08:04:10] <gregcnc> i was amazed at how well tapers turned out by using drill for comound feed
[08:04:19] <gregcnc> when i did it myself a few mnoths ago
[08:04:25] <miss0r> archivist: Atleast its not expensive either lol
[08:04:45] <archivist> twice the price
[08:04:53] <archivist> I got one for £50
[08:05:03] <miss0r> :)
[08:05:11] <archivist> but it got dropped, the glass tube is bust
[08:05:45] <XXCoder> archivist: just $50 pretty cheao
[08:05:48] <miss0r> I use this one for most everything: https://www.amazon.com/Haimer-80-360-00-IN-Universal-FH-3D-Sensor-Inch-Version/dp/B007XGE2IA
[08:05:56] <XXCoder> err 50 eu
[08:06:11] <miss0r> only a metric version, that is
[08:06:18] <XXCoder> archivist: you can send it in for repair and still very chea
[08:07:11] <archivist> I fix things myself! when I can
[08:07:37] <XXCoder> yeah guessed so, just assuming send in shop in price comprasion
[08:07:41] <XXCoder> still vastly cheaper
[08:07:51] <miss0r> archivist: Or atleast bash stuff with a medium size rock, till they do what you want
[08:12:32] <archivist> I should do more rust to shiny sequence of pics
[08:13:34] <XXCoder> any of you guys ever used kommet?
[08:13:40] <XXCoder> its pretty damn nice
[08:14:00] <miss0r> kommet? wha tis that?
[08:14:37] <XXCoder> https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/b/5/komet-abs-50-to-abs-32-kfk-1-boring-head-m0205201-w-komet-boring-bar-loc294-a0f971b4f95f74695f0be39eb2a30ba1.jpg
[08:14:51] <XXCoder> that one looks.. worm
[08:14:54] <XXCoder> *worn
[08:15:33] <XXCoder> one big negative on komet (one m not 2) is that its so long that you have to watch out on tool changes
[08:15:57] <XXCoder> one machine that usually use em, you have to remove it or it will hit tool holder as its moved up into it
[08:17:14] <archivist> I just have one of the cheap import boring heads
[08:17:31] <XXCoder> new ones has digital control to change size apparent;y
[08:51:11] <XXCoder> man
[08:51:19] <XXCoder> I love "color this site!" firefox plugin.
[08:51:34] <XXCoder> makes other people dumb design ideas more readable.
[08:51:51] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160622_153043.jpg
[08:52:35] <gregcnc> lotsa handwheels
[08:52:46] <XXCoder> hm
[08:52:51] <skunkworks> x,y,z and overrides
[08:53:04] <XXCoder> just axis select and one handwheel better?
[08:53:08] <XXCoder> less chance of screwup
[08:53:21] <XXCoder> same time with expert hand you can do circle lol
[08:53:35] <skunkworks> that is what the K&T has - thought we would give this a try
[08:54:03] <XXCoder> though i would add disable/enable buttons
[08:54:24] <XXCoder> you may acciently brush another handwheel while using one
[08:56:06] <gregcnc> I have this small boring head http://www.dieselrc.com/x/temp/002_t.jpg
[08:58:47] <gregcnc> expensive bench mill www.ebay.com/itm/142034753808?
[09:00:30] <XXCoder> $100 shipped lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-price-mini-lathe-machine-Z20005-mini-Milling-Machine-for-teaching-of-school-and-DIY-by/32550093549.html
[09:00:54] <XXCoder> seriosly dunno if its even usable :P
[09:03:13] <SpeedEvil> Sure, for teaching.
[09:03:24] <SpeedEvil> For teaching, machining wax or foam is just fine
[09:03:31] <XXCoder> indeed
[09:04:04] <SpeedEvil> Plus, it's going to teach basic operations
[09:04:17] <SpeedEvil> so they come up to speed on 'proper' machines faster
[09:04:20] <XXCoder> yeah usable as teaching tool I suppose
[09:13:52] <skunkworks> cooltool
[09:14:48] <gregcnc> yeah unimat did it some time ago
[09:16:54] <gregcnc> this is a significant cnc crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzoefjTkiCk
[09:28:50] <archivist> gregcnc, many forget that jaws loosen at high rpm unless the chuck has something to avoid
[09:30:06] <gregcnc> he said it was a programming error, but the tool post slipping is probably the main issue
[09:30:44] <archivist> it did look like very high rpm
[09:31:16] <archivist> any minor slippage at that speed will be....exciting
[09:31:26] <tiwake> such excitement
[09:33:31] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIES3ii-IOg
[11:09:45] <Franklin_Anibal> hola
[11:10:55] <CaptHindsight> ¿que esta pasando?
[11:11:05] <Franklin_Anibal> hola , amigo
[11:11:46] <Franklin_Anibal> @CaptHindsight trabajas con linuxcnc ?
[11:11:57] <CaptHindsight> Friday should be any language goes day in here
[11:12:13] <gregcnc> russian would be fun
[11:12:46] <CaptHindsight> Franklin_Anibal: yes, many of us do
[11:13:31] <Franklin_Anibal> i have cnc machine ! i use mach3. linux cnc is more hard ?
[11:14:26] <CaptHindsight> many Mach 3 users move to Linuxcnc when then need more features
[11:15:06] <CaptHindsight> or they need more control over their machine
[11:15:11] <Franklin_Anibal> ok
[11:15:43] <CaptHindsight> I use it since I can modify it to suit my odd machines
[11:15:46] <Franklin_Anibal> :)
[11:16:07] <CaptHindsight> mach3 has more limitations
[11:16:45] <CaptHindsight> since I don't have the source and it only runs on winders
[11:17:09] <Franklin_Anibal> yes
[11:20:01] <gregcnc> hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_numerical_control#DIY.2C_hobby.2C_and_personal_CNC
[11:28:15] <archivist> wtf is "Personal CNC"
[11:28:51] <gregcnc> maybe hobby cnc
[11:29:31] <archivist> seems that was written by a fanboy of a certain other
[11:33:39] <archivist> breaking the neutral point of view rule
[11:43:40] <gregcnc> this 5 ton arbor press seems weak http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/5650515454.html
[11:48:53] <archivist> or a very strong coke can
[11:50:12] <CaptHindsight> personal CNC for nails, hair and skin care
[11:52:42] <CaptHindsight> well it's in Barrington so $850
[11:52:51] <CaptHindsight> everything is special there
[11:56:42] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/tls/5650738301.html $1k, head and and tail stock seems flimsy compared to the bed
[11:57:11] <gregcnc> looks old
[12:01:30] <archivist> 1930's maybe
[12:22:49] <FAalbers> Anyone using linuxcnc to 3D print ?
[12:23:00] <CaptHindsight> many here
[12:23:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-760-Vertical-Machining-Center-/112027926931 $4,500
[12:24:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cincinnati-Arrow-500-CNC-Vertical-Milling-Machine/201605328801 $3,500
[12:25:22] <FAalbers> CaptHindsight, Thanks, I'll do more research before asking questions ! ;)
[12:25:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cintimatic-VMC-with-Dynapath-CNC-control/201605329466 $2,500
[12:26:25] <CaptHindsight> FAalbers: SLA, SLS, FDM, Inkjet printers and hybrids
[12:27:29] <CaptHindsight> 20k Lbs of iron for $2500 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukie-Vertical-Machine-Center/191566590626
[12:27:45] <CaptHindsight> $2300
[12:28:52] <archivist> and a months fun getting it running
[12:30:07] <FAalbers> Thanks for the info !
[12:30:09] <CaptHindsight> thats the fun of linuxcnc!
[12:30:55] <FAalbers> What slicer software do you guys use for 3D printing ?
[12:47:50] <FAalbers> CaptHindsight, My 3D Printer's control board is beeing communicated with through USB Virtual Com Port. I guess LinuxCNC does not do that ?
[12:52:35] <lair82_> pcw_home you around?
[12:53:28] <pcw_home> Yeah
[12:57:25] <malcom2073> FAalbers: I use Simplify 3D, and no, linuxcnc does the interpretation of gcode, whereas your arduino board does that on the 3d printer
[12:58:30] <lair82_> hey pcw, I just updated one of my machines to 2.7.4 from 2.6.3 and now I am getting faults that the firmware is out of date on 3 of my sserial cards, how do I update the firmware?
[12:59:26] <FAalbers> malcom2073, I see ! Now it makes sense !
[13:01:25] <lair82_> I already installed mesaflash on this machine,
[13:10:41] <pcw_home> download the sserial card firmware/utility zip:
[13:10:42] <pcw_home> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/sserial.zip
[13:10:44] <pcw_home> and read the readme file
[13:14:49] <lair82_> easy enough!
[13:14:58] <lair82_> thanks pcw_home
[13:44:11] <alex4nder> pcw_home: hey, I've got a 7i76e that I'm running my 3 axis stepper mill with .. I'm about to switch to a BLDC to run my spindle, using a smart ESC (vedder VESC) to run the motor..
[13:45:00] <alex4nder> do you see any upside to talking to the ESC via the 7i76e (e.g. RS-422) .. or should I just run that thing separately and integrate it all at the LinuxCNC software level?
[14:59:47] <tiwake> dododo
[15:31:28] <Polymorphism> who did it
[15:32:36] <alex4nder> sup
[16:10:51] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESC
[16:11:52] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: http://vedder.se/2015/01/vesc-open-source-esc/
[16:12:02] <alex4nder> electronic speed controller
[16:12:24] <CaptHindsight> that site never defines the acronym
[16:13:14] <alex4nder> yah, there's a certain barrier to entry with some of this stuff
[16:13:22] <CaptHindsight> what does the V stand for? Virtual, variable, Vedder?
[16:13:30] <alex4nder> but the reason I'm interested in this project is because it's totally opensource, and there's interest in servo control with it
[16:13:33] <alex4nder> V = Vedder
[16:13:34] <BeachBumPete> VICTORY!!
[16:13:36] <XXCoder> dang CaptHindsight one of linked machine table is RUSTY
[16:15:08] <CaptHindsight> RUSTY? as in oxidized or is that another acronym?
[16:15:15] <SpeedEvil> It ruins the value if you clean the patina
[16:15:39] <Polymorphism> yeah leave it alone
[16:15:44] <Polymorphism> xD
[16:15:50] <XXCoder> lol
[16:16:05] <BeachBumPete> http://www.rowsdowr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Rusty.png
[16:16:10] <gregcnc> patina adds value, soon we'll be seeing clearcoated rust on vintage metalworking equipment
[16:16:35] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xRoAAOSwstxVPCrn/s-l1600.jpg it looks like it's coated in wax
[16:17:01] <gregcnc> preserved with cosmoline somebody forgot to cdome back and use the amchine
[16:17:45] <BeachBumPete> Looking forward to seeing the new independence day movie :D
[16:17:47] <CaptHindsight> Kearney & Trecker VB-4
[16:18:16] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: starts today?
[16:18:32] <BeachBumPete> no idea
[16:18:33] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: wild geuss july 4th
[16:18:41] <BeachBumPete> but it looks pretty cool
[16:18:43] <XXCoder> just like last one
[16:19:01] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: it does look like wax at closer look
[16:19:04] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: think it's next Friday, a few days before
[16:19:14] <XXCoder> hmm makes sense
[16:19:27] <XXCoder> they dont want slow start, sets tone
[16:19:40] <CaptHindsight> nope starts today
[16:19:54] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: quick get to the theater
[16:20:08] <BeachBumPete> better HURRY
[16:20:33] <BeachBumPete> gotta kick some alien azz!
[16:20:57] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:58] <CaptHindsight> pack heat, Florida has been pretty crazy lately
[16:21:56] <gregcnc> vesc looks interesting how will you send signals to it?
[16:22:18] <CaptHindsight> smoke
[16:22:48] <gregcnc> smoke signal is a fairly accurate indicator of failure
[16:23:28] <CaptHindsight> Interface to control the motor: PPM signal (RC servo), analog, UART, I2C, USB or CAN-bus.
[16:25:05] <CaptHindsight> In Ancient China, soldiers stationed along the Great Wall would alert each other of impending enemy attack by signaling from tower to tower. In this way, they were able to transmit a message as far away as 750 kilometres (470 mi) in just a few hours.
[16:26:09] <yasnak> beer thirty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2USOtb8rA8
[16:31:14] <Polymorphism> cosmoline xD
[16:31:24] <Polymorphism> I know that shit too well
[16:31:52] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: I'm going to try to use either CAN or RS-42x
[16:33:06] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight Yeah it has.... pretty crazy stuff over in Orlando lately. I need more guns!! ;)
[16:33:34] <yasnak> ditto
[16:34:04] <BeachBumPete> hey yaz
[16:34:21] <yasnak> we have an ex-Hillsborough officer as an engineer
[16:34:25] <yasnak> he always carries
[16:34:39] <yasnak> hey man, how you doin?
[16:35:46] <BeachBumPete> Okay we are STILL trying to close on our house but we are enjoying it down here. Going Kayak Fishing again tomorrow if the weather holds..
[16:36:28] <XXCoder> send more thugs to break knees if not close
[16:36:41] <BeachBumPete> Don't know any thugs sorry
[16:37:50] <XXCoder> heh so its still being worked on?
[16:38:14] <yasnak> was going the house route and some shit happened where the owner backed out. annoying. going to buy a new truck then regroup on the house thing. realitors seem to enjoy pushing crappy houses though so options are limited :/
[16:38:21] <yasnak> realtors*
[16:38:31] <BeachBumPete> the owner is making some repairs to the house that were found during the inspection
[16:38:36] <Polymorphism> http://cncguns.com/projects/ar15lower.html
[16:38:40] <Polymorphism> those results @_@
[16:38:44] <yasnak> same here, they found mold.
[16:38:49] <gregcnc> what do realtors do now that we have internet?
[16:39:18] <yasnak> they're the same as sales people. due to not being able to do paperwork and such yourself you still need to deal with them ;/
[16:39:20] <Polymorphism> they show houses
[16:39:33] <Polymorphism> I just looked at one actually, need more space for the cnc
[16:39:37] <BeachBumPete> no mold but there was a problem with master bathroom shower drain, they had to reset two of the brand new toilets, replace some tiles on the roof, and a few other small things...
[16:39:39] <Polymorphism> this keeps getting more expensive
[16:40:04] <Polymorphism> I wouldnt mess with mold
[16:40:07] <Polymorphism> nasty shit
[16:40:13] <yasnak> If it wasn't mold I would have still bought as the price was awesome, fix it up and resell. but mold is bad down here, you need to go down to the frame from what I've read.
[16:40:13] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:40:27] <Polymorphism> yeah
[16:40:39] <Polymorphism> often what you can see is jusat the tip of the iceberg
[16:41:36] <yasnak> Yeah so its good they disclosed it and obviously its a law they have to but still annoying I didn't know sooner.
[16:41:48] <yasnak> Apparently they missed it on the first inspection? lol
[16:44:08] <Polymorphism> close call
[16:44:10] <Polymorphism> xD
[16:47:04] <XXCoder> I remember one case where owners hid off one room
[16:47:10] <XXCoder> it was insanely full of mold
[16:47:17] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: you doing a full CNC AR?
[16:47:18] <XXCoder> inspections missed it
[16:47:33] <XXCoder> though dunno what happened with lawsuits
[16:48:12] <XXCoder> ""You Found It! Hello. If you're reading this, then you found the secret room. I owned this house for a short while and it was discovered to have a serious mold problem. One that actually made my children very sick to the point that we had to move out."
[16:48:22] <BeachBumPete> hoestly while mold is nasty what is more ridiculous is the regulations they have to combat it. it costs WAAAAYYY more than it should to remove it and they have basically made it impossible for the homeowner to deal with it themselves.
[16:49:07] <BeachBumPete> Polymorphism is that your site?
[16:49:34] <Polymorphism> BeachBumPete, I wish
[16:49:51] <Polymorphism> alex4nder, I doubt it. but I might give it a shot once I get comfortable
[16:49:52] <BeachBumPete> LOL
[16:49:58] <Polymorphism> I wouldnt be able to mill the buffer tube thread
[16:50:01] <Polymorphism> without cutting a hole in the table
[16:50:02] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: cool; I'm working on CNC uppers and lowers right now
[16:50:06] <Polymorphism> it's too much Z I think
[16:50:17] <BeachBumPete> I would like to build one but its pretty easy cheap to get castings now
[16:50:20] <alex4nder> it's really hard to do an upper and lower on a taig
[16:50:26] <Polymorphism> alex4nder, are you using the original designs?
[16:50:29] <alex4nder> it requires turning the headstock 90 degrees
[16:50:38] <Polymorphism> http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/Weaponeer/images/2007-10-12_030235_rxvr16.jpg
[16:50:41] <Polymorphism> I considered this too
[16:50:41] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: slightly modified based off of drawings and measurements I have
[16:50:51] <Polymorphism> eliminate any Z issues
[16:50:57] <Polymorphism> alex4nder, nice
[16:51:00] <Polymorphism> the site I linked has a lot of files
[16:51:04] <alex4nder> yah
[16:51:21] <alex4nder> I've got a design for a line-boring setup, to do upper receivers on the taig
[16:51:24] <Polymorphism> BeachBumPete,
[16:51:27] <alex4nder> because you need ~8" of 1" hole
[16:51:30] <alex4nder> which is hard to do on a small mill
[16:51:38] <Polymorphism> if you have one already and just want another, there is always this
[16:51:44] <Polymorphism> right that seems difficult
[16:51:56] <Polymorphism> how did you even do it
[16:52:03] <Polymorphism> does it have that much z
[16:52:14] <Polymorphism> BeachBumPete, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/676733_Fruity_Ghost___DIY_100s_of_ARs_cheaper__faster__gentler_.html
[16:52:58] <Polymorphism> legos xD
[16:53:17] <BeachBumPete> ya gotta be shitting me
[16:54:04] <alex4nder> this is why gun bans will never work
[16:54:22] <BeachBumPete> FUCK gun bans
[16:54:34] <XXCoder> harder to access cnc machines than guns
[16:54:46] <BeachBumPete> I have never made an AR but I have always thought it would be fun to try
[16:54:49] <alex4nder> just wait for the CNC machine ban
[16:55:01] <BeachBumPete> my VMC should be able to handle it ;)
[16:55:05] <XXCoder> guns is insanely easy to get. one 13 year old boy made a video proving it
[16:55:14] <alex4nder> XXCoder: where do you live?
[16:55:15] <XXCoder> he couldnt buy cigs and achcol but guns sure
[16:55:17] <Polymorphism> cnc machine ban xD
[16:55:23] <XXCoder> alex4nder: tacoma, wa
[16:56:10] <Polymorphism> alex4nder, http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/Weaponeer/images/2007-10-12_030235_rxvr16.jpg
[16:56:10] <alex4nder> XXCoder: ah, I'm just south of you
[16:56:28] <Polymorphism> did you come across the CAD for that modular, millable on nearly any z clearance mill
[16:56:38] <Polymorphism> it looked like it had been scrubbed fromt he net
[16:56:43] <Polymorphism> all that remains is that pic
[16:57:54] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: it'd be pretty easy to reproduce that
[16:57:57] <alex4nder> the measurements are easy
[16:58:31] <Polymorphism> thats true actually
[16:58:37] <Polymorphism> its been so simplified
[16:59:11] <Polymorphism> the buffer thread being a separate piece solves the ~7" or so of z clearance that would be required otherwise
[16:59:20] <Polymorphism> or some kind of special fixture in the table...
[16:59:25] <alex4nder> yah
[16:59:31] <alex4nder> which mill do you have?
[16:59:44] <Polymorphism> its more of a router, so this is ambitious
[16:59:48] <alex4nder> ok
[17:00:15] <Polymorphism> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vF_Nn53JO4A/maxresdefault.jpg
[17:00:17] <Polymorphism> its an xzero raptor
[17:00:38] <Polymorphism> I think it could handle the modular one, doubtful on the full original maybe if I made special fixtures and went slow
[17:01:48] <BeachBumPete> there is a guy who made one on an X2 conversion on youtube
[17:02:28] <Polymorphism> I should probably check that out
[17:07:15] <Polymorphism> alex4nder, how much progress have you made?
[17:10:19] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: I've done some 80% forgings, and started designing the fixturing to do a full CNC upper and lower on a machine that only has ~6" of Z
[17:13:13] <Polymorphism> you've completed the 80%s you mean?
[17:13:21] <Polymorphism> that would be the most economical wya I would think
[17:13:22] <Polymorphism> and easiest
[17:13:34] <Polymorphism> doesnt give the true DIY experience though
[17:14:23] <Polymorphism> taig mill alex4nder ?
[17:18:22] <_methods> BeachBumPete: got a dynasty 200 for $880
[17:18:42] <BeachBumPete> why?
[17:18:50] <_methods> because this
[17:18:55] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/DByrQAG.jpg
[17:19:00] <_methods> space lol
[17:19:26] <BeachBumPete> well congrats man they are supposed to be nice machines
[17:19:39] <_methods> take up a lot less real estate
[17:19:53] <BeachBumPete> hard to hang your bottle on em tho ;)
[17:20:08] <_methods> hahah
[17:20:26] <_methods> my mig and tig will take up less space than just my tig lol
[17:20:49] <Tom_L> hang it on your bottle
[17:20:57] <alex4nder> _methods: a dynasty for $880 is a great deal
[17:21:02] <_methods> hang it on my belt lol
[17:21:07] <_methods> i know i should have bought 2
[17:21:17] <alex4nder> were they surplus?
[17:21:18] <_methods> the one after mine went for $760
[17:21:21] <BeachBumPete> well I can appreciate gaining space that is for sure. My tig has been pretty good to me so far tho
[17:21:25] <_methods> yeah 5 of them at auction
[17:21:33] <_methods> yeah my ltec is great
[17:21:34] <alex4nder> _methods: nice,.. I think we're going to see more of that with the 210 out
[17:21:38] <_methods> it just takes up so much space
[17:22:14] <BeachBumPete> it does but honestly mine carries all my welding stuff on top so its not a bother really plus it is on wheels etc.
[17:22:59] <_methods> yeah i got all kinds of crap living on mine lol
[17:23:05] <BeachBumPete> even if I got a smaller inverter machine I would probably make a nice heavy duty welding kart to hold the bottle and supplies anyway
[17:23:09] <_methods> i'll have to make me a nice mig/tig cart now
[17:23:13] <_methods> yeah
[17:23:23] <_methods> be nice to have both of my machines in one cart
[17:23:38] <_methods> kina looking forward to making the cart for them
[17:23:48] <_methods> fun little fab project
[17:23:49] <yasnak> got one just like that meth
[17:23:52] <BeachBumPete> I sold my mig before we left in Tennessee I almost never used it
[17:24:11] <_methods> yeah i don't use mine much now that i have tig
[17:24:12] <yasnak> so much better then the massive old stick welder we had with the 4x5x5' power supply
[17:24:19] <_methods> yeah hahah
[17:24:29] <yasnak> freaking 3 phase...
[17:24:34] <yasnak> and the roof leaked RIGHT OVER IT
[17:24:36] <_methods> i probably couldn't scratch out an arc if i tried anymore lol
[17:25:44] <_methods> leaky roof and 3phase......
[17:25:53] <BeachBumPete> I am sure missing my shop and my CNC and my Tig unit... let alone all the rest of my Stuff that is in storage
[17:26:09] <_methods> yeah man sorry to hear that
[17:26:16] <_methods> the house fall through?
[17:26:20] <BeachBumPete> no
[17:26:38] <_methods> paperwork?
[17:26:40] <BeachBumPete> just taking forever to get all the paperwork/inspections/other BS
[17:26:45] <_methods> yeah
[17:26:54] <_methods> that shit is ridiculous
[17:26:55] <BeachBumPete> right now the seller is doing some repairs that were found during the home inspection
[17:27:08] <_methods> i almost walked out of our closing last time
[17:27:21] <BeachBumPete> the house is nothing extravagant but it is a lot nicer than our house in tennessee was
[17:27:26] <_methods> lawyer was like 45 min late
[17:27:32] <XXCoder> easier just buy random (and cheap!) house, raze it build new one
[17:27:40] <XXCoder> no mold risk but nice house heh
[17:28:04] <Nick001-shop> >pcw_home> Still not finding SV6_7i49 bit file. Is there a link to it?
[17:28:19] <BeachBumPete> really looking forward to getting in there and living normal life again LOL
[17:30:08] <Tom_L> _methods, did you bill him for your time?
[17:30:36] <_methods> hah i should have
[17:30:49] <Tom_L> you're worth just as much or more than him
[17:30:49] <_methods> my wife was not happy with my behavior
[17:30:49] <BeachBumPete> you can bet your ass he would have if you were late
[17:31:17] <_methods> yeah i definitely let them know my feelings were hurt
[17:32:49] <Nick001-shop> <pcw_home>
[17:44:13] <TheHexaCube> hello guys, I was just recommended this channel for following question
[17:44:58] <TheHexaCube> I am currently building a 3d printer, which needs several parts machined, but I need to know what it'll cost be before I even continue figuring it out further
[17:45:06] <TheHexaCube> anyone here that could help me figure that out?
[17:45:54] <TheHexaCube> I don't own a cnc myself, so I have to have it machined by someone or some company
[17:47:00] <_methods> you'd need to send the prints out and get quotes from companies
[17:47:18] <_methods> there's no way any of us can tell you what it would cost
[17:47:24] <_methods> only what we think it should cost
[17:47:48] <TheHexaCube> yes, that's fine too, I just need a really rough estimate
[17:47:53] <alex4nder> TheHexaCube: make local friends with a CNC mill that are willing to work with you
[17:48:10] <alex4nder> it's impossible for anyone here to even guess, unless they were willing to do the work
[17:48:41] <alex4nder> and then they'd need to spend time with you to figure out specifics
[17:48:45] <TheHexaCube> alex4nder: heh, yeah I've been looking around for awhile now, haven't found anyone that owns a cnc yet
[17:49:16] <_methods> i think protomold will shoot you a quick quote
[17:49:25] <TheHexaCube> heh, I see... I'm just a little worried if I'm completely underestimating cost
[17:49:29] <_methods> they do quotes based solely off of models
[17:49:41] <alex4nder> that's a good idea
[17:49:53] <TheHexaCube> www.protomold.de?
[17:49:54] <_methods> so you can send them your solid model and they'll kick you an automated quote i believe
[17:50:00] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: how far is da house from da ocean>
[17:50:03] <_methods> i have no idea about germany
[17:50:03] <CaptHindsight> ?
[17:50:15] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight not too far
[17:50:24] <TheHexaCube> oh it's a global company, I see
[17:50:30] <TheHexaCube> thanks for the suggestion, I'll have a look
[17:50:32] <BeachBumPete> maybe a ten to fifteen minute drive
[17:50:54] <BeachBumPete> as the crow flies maybe 3-4 miles?
[17:51:05] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: far enough to not be reached by the storm surge?
[17:51:07] <gregcnc> i've used protolabs before it worked out well and the prices were good, but they only do ±.005" have to say the parts were pretty darn good though.
[17:51:30] <_methods> oh i guess they changed their name to protolabs
[17:52:05] <_methods> yeah i've used them several times for low qty injection molded parts
[17:52:54] <BeachBumPete> in this area you have the hutchinson island/intercoastal waterway, then like I said a couple miles of land before you get to my house
[17:53:26] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: what did they charge you for the aluminum molds?
[17:53:33] <BeachBumPete> PSL actually was hit by a large storm a few years ago and that is largely why the insurance rates are high there now but most of the damage was roofs from high winds
[17:53:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what did they charge you for the aluminum molds?
[17:53:57] <_methods> i thik we paid like $20-40k
[17:54:04] <_methods> depended on the job
[17:54:05] <CaptHindsight> how many shots?
[17:54:11] <_methods> i think 5000
[17:54:13] <_methods> can't remember
[17:54:23] <gregcnc> i bought milled parts from them
[17:54:31] <_methods> maybe 20,000
[17:54:42] <_methods> after that they had to rework the molds or something
[17:54:48] <CaptHindsight> $4-$8/part for the molds
[17:54:52] <_methods> i don't know it was quite awhile ago
[17:55:02] <_methods> yeah depending on the complexity of the mold
[17:55:08] <CaptHindsight> + $2 per shot or?
[17:55:26] <_methods> sorry i really don't remember the specifics of the pricing
[17:55:31] <_methods> but it was reasonable for sure
[17:55:38] <CaptHindsight> just wonderininin
[17:55:48] <CaptHindsight> ABS pars or?
[17:55:51] <_methods> if you need a low qty run
[17:56:08] <_methods> sorry don't remember the materials we did either
[17:56:09] <CaptHindsight> pars/parts
[17:56:21] <_methods> i know one was a rubbery kinda material
[17:56:24] <_methods> for a handle
[17:57:07] <_methods> they were really helpful with fixing issues with the part/mold design
[17:57:30] <Polymorphism> for 40k...I'd hope so?
[17:57:45] <Polymorphism> or was it an issue with your design
[17:59:10] <_methods> https://www.protolabs.com/injection-molding/plastic-injection-molding/
[17:59:18] <_methods> molds start at $1500
[17:59:21] <_methods> 10,000 parts
[17:59:42] <CaptHindsight> for a tiny part
[18:00:31] <Polymorphism> hmm
[18:00:35] <_methods> hehe
[18:00:54] <_methods> yeah i know the molds i got quotes on were never $1500 lol
[18:01:07] <TheHexaCube> so sorry for the dumb question, is this a channel for hobbyists or commercial, high volume work only?
[18:02:09] <CaptHindsight> anything except bragging about your reprap :)
[18:02:10] * Loetmichel took his "ebay steal" home today. small (5,6" display!) android 4.03 "notebook" 1.2ghz singlecore arm, 512mb, 4gb flash. Power plug was dead, so i got it for 8 eur. Wanted to use the display (800*480 NON touch) for my home server to show load and stuff... replaced the power plug, now i have a 1.5W (with display on!) SSH Terminal. And uses nearly no space, too.. -> http://www.cyrom.o
[18:02:10] * Loetmichel rg/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16336&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:02:14] <_methods> i think there are people here that work in all those ranges
[18:03:51] <CaptHindsight> it spans from hobbyists that make 1-10 parts to commercial that make 1-baziilion parts
[18:04:40] <CaptHindsight> lots of people do side jobs at home and make 100's of parts
[18:05:05] <TheHexaCube> alright, seems like I'm at the kinda right place then
[18:05:35] <TheHexaCube> right now I'm just prototyping, but with some luck I'll need more than that soon =)
[18:06:14] <CaptHindsight> some people print their own mustaches and spare Yodas
[18:06:47] <CaptHindsight> don't ask where the Yoda's go
[18:06:56] <TheHexaCube> I find more fun in developing a printer than actually printing :D
[18:08:36] <TheHexaCube> so if I want a quote from local companies, what should I include? drawings, 3d files?
[18:09:02] <XXCoder> 3d print a cnc mill ;)
[18:09:06] <XXCoder> joking
[18:09:10] <Polymorphism> you can xD
[18:09:27] <TheHexaCube> lol...
[18:09:27] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: yeah but guy needs 3d printer in first place
[18:09:28] <Polymorphism> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[18:09:42] <TheHexaCube> I'd love to build a cnc on my own, but I simply do not have the money for that right now
[18:09:52] <XXCoder> TheHexaCube: well you can always use pure 8020 project
[18:10:07] <TheHexaCube> even then...
[18:10:10] <XXCoder> 8020 is bit expensive but you can make precision device with just basic tools
[18:10:31] <TheHexaCube> it might sound a little bit ppor, but right now I have around 200€ to invest, and that'll be invested to get into selling 3d printers
[18:10:41] <TheHexaCube> with the profit from there, I'll buy a cnc at some point
[18:10:46] <TheHexaCube> or build it, doesn't really matter to me
[18:11:04] <XXCoder> 3d print machines market is bit oversaturated
[18:11:17] <TheHexaCube> the lower end is, that's true
[18:11:25] <XXCoder> and the upper
[18:11:27] <TheHexaCube> what I'm trying to achieve is some kind of "middle class"
[18:11:30] <XXCoder> and the middle
[18:11:36] <TheHexaCube> middle not so much in my eyes
[18:11:45] <XXCoder> what price range you thinking
[18:11:49] <CaptHindsight> TheHexaCube: FDM, SLA, SLS, Inkjet?
[18:12:03] <TheHexaCube> CaptHindsight: FDM only, unfortunately... I'm no genious sadly
[18:12:08] <XXCoder> bah
[18:12:21] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: around 600-800€ for a prebuilt printer
[18:12:30] <TheHexaCube> 200x300 buildplate, aluminum parts
[18:12:32] <XXCoder> design a 3d printer that directly prints from milk jugs to hdpe objects lol
[18:12:39] <CaptHindsight> low cost FDM + SLA would be nice
[18:12:40] <XXCoder> LOTS of that range
[18:13:12] <CaptHindsight> or Inkjet UV + FDM
[18:13:41] <XXCoder> partial to ABS myself, if I ever buy 3d print abs is my requirement, so are heated bed
[18:14:14] <Polymorphism> what about PET
[18:14:26] <Polymorphism> I've heard it can be used in place of ABS for some things?
[18:14:52] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: I haven't seen many printers that have similar features like mine... what I'm trying to build is more rigid than the typical 300€ folgertech :P
[18:15:13] <TheHexaCube> I'm only 16 and generally doing it as a hobby, so even if I don't succeed, whatever
[18:15:14] <TheHexaCube> nothing lost
[18:15:15] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: not too sure, gonna look up PET
[18:15:30] <Polymorphism> supposed to print like PLA, perform similar to ABS
[18:15:49] <XXCoder> interesting colors.
[18:16:02] <XXCoder> plastic from bottles
[18:16:29] <XXCoder> very interesting, as one of pipe dream (not likely will do) projects is making 100% recycle filiment to print
[18:17:20] <Polymorphism> I've seen people make their own filament extruders
[18:17:31] <Polymorphism> not sure about from a recylced source, that would be interesting
[18:17:37] <XXCoder> yeah theres few unprinter projects
[18:18:12] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: if you're interested to have a look, feel free http://imgur.com/HUbTKYZ
[18:18:21] <TheHexaCube> the model is still very WIP, but it gives an idea
[18:18:37] <XXCoder> looks more or less standard 3d printer 8020 project
[18:18:52] <XXCoder> maybe offer enclosure with heat controlled air exchanger
[18:19:01] <XXCoder> that'd offer much more stable prints
[18:19:20] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: I'll do a corexy that has a heated build space
[18:19:25] <Polymorphism> can't you not fully enclose?
[18:19:29] <Polymorphism> because of some stupid patent
[18:19:31] <Polymorphism> is tha true
[18:19:35] <TheHexaCube> Polymorphism: nope, it's not
[18:19:38] <Polymorphism> ah ok
[18:19:41] <Polymorphism> must have been a rumor
[18:19:41] <TheHexaCube> people like to tell that, but it's not true
[18:20:02] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: I did plan to make a nice enclosure, but eh, it just doesn't work quite right for me
[18:20:59] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: I'm doing a few things different to your "typical" extrusion printer you can buy - 200x300x300 buildspace, silicone heated bed, a *really* rigid frame, and a proper hotend
[18:21:34] <XXCoder> looks like around standard midrange then
[18:21:40] <TheHexaCube> yes
[18:21:49] <TheHexaCube> "middle class" as I said :D
[18:21:56] <TheHexaCube> nothing outstanding, but nothing bad either
[18:22:53] <TheHexaCube> if you search for "3d printer" on ebay, you see dozens of cheap, but shitty printers
[18:23:07] <XXCoder> most extreme I found is $100
[18:23:17] <XXCoder> I also found mill thats $100 lol
[18:23:23] <Polymorphism> with electronics?
[18:23:25] <Polymorphism> or just the frame
[18:23:29] <TheHexaCube> I can show you a printer that is 49$
[18:23:35] <XXCoder> electrics but dont get its shit
[18:23:47] <XXCoder> TheHexaCube: prove it
[18:23:55] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: one sec
[18:24:35] <Polymorphism> I wont XXCoder I alreayd spent a fortune on the xzero =\
[18:24:40] <Polymorphism> this is my cnc 100%
[18:24:50] <Polymorphism> comitted now
[18:25:42] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: hmm, I cannot find it right now, it was on kickstarter though
[18:25:53] <XXCoder> lol the wood one?
[18:26:02] <XXCoder> I forgot about it tll now
[18:26:30] <TheHexaCube> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/101hero/101hero-the-world-first-us49-3d-printer
[18:26:57] <BeachBumPete> time to go out to dinner...cya later guys
[18:27:09] <_methods> later pete
[18:27:12] <XXCoder> oh that one. yeah
[18:27:16] <Polymorphism> cya beach
[18:27:17] <BeachBumPete> :D
[18:27:36] <XXCoder> still dunno if even usable, if not good
[18:28:03] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: so yeah, i'm not claiming to build the best printer ever, but I'm really certain it'll be better than most of the cheap ones
[18:28:25] <TheHexaCube> so I think it has a right to exist, and as I said, even if I don't succeed, I still will have gained some experienced
[18:28:38] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:28:40] <TheHexaCube> but yeah, first I need to get those parts :(
[18:28:56] <XXCoder> it would be interesting if you found a way to make it enclosurable
[18:29:09] <XXCoder> maybe do small things so people can easily add em
[18:29:17] <TheHexaCube> i did make a plan, but I couldn't ship it, so meh
[18:29:20] <TheHexaCube> didn't like it overall
[18:29:31] <TheHexaCube> Once I made some money, I'll make a *PROPER* printer
[18:29:38] <TheHexaCube> as in, metal enclosure or whatever
[18:30:47] <TheHexaCube> XXCoder: this is an older version, I pretty much changed all parts by now http://imgur.com/eqvHXHu
[18:30:53] <Loetmichel> TheHexaCube: metal enclosure is easy
[18:31:01] <Loetmichel> ... if you have a CNC mill ;-)
[18:31:07] <XXCoder> lol
[18:31:13] <TheHexaCube> Loetmichel: grrrrr :P
[18:31:29] <TheHexaCube> and a metal press ;P
[18:31:34] <Loetmichel> its what i do for a living.
[18:31:40] <Loetmichel> no press needed
[18:31:46] <Loetmichel> all beding done by hand ;)
[18:31:57] <TheHexaCube> heh, well it really depends on what you're doing though
[18:32:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:32:17] <Loetmichel> this for example
[18:32:22] <TheHexaCube> nea
[18:32:23] <TheHexaCube> *neat
[18:32:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14217
[18:32:34] <TheHexaCube> I'm thinking about a bent dibond enclosure though
[18:32:41] <TheHexaCube> bent around a radius, that is
[18:32:45] <TheHexaCube> that'd be fancy even
[18:32:54] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, arent you in germany
[18:33:09] <TheHexaCube> judging by his name, yeah he is :D
[18:33:30] <Loetmichel> yes
[18:33:55] <Loetmichel> TheHexaCube: i can do radii... its a bit of work tho
[18:34:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16050&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- made the ptototype for these
[18:34:59] <XXCoder> I want a touchscreen pc
[18:35:00] <XXCoder> heh
[18:35:10] <XXCoder> how hard is it to get touchscreen to work?
[18:35:24] <Polymorphism> not hard now with windows 10 I would think
[18:35:31] <Polymorphism> for linux... not sure =P probably doable
[18:35:39] <Polymorphism> forgot where I was for a second xD
[18:35:43] <XXCoder> I dont plan to use windows anymore
[18:35:49] <Polymorphism> same except for CAD
[18:35:52] <XXCoder> except in few uses
[18:35:55] <Polymorphism> F360 is just too good
[18:35:59] <XXCoder> like cad ues
[18:36:01] <XXCoder> *yes
[18:36:16] <Loetmichel> usually touch screen controllers are USB HID devices
[18:36:30] <Loetmichel> no drivers needed for most of the recent oses
[18:37:41] <Polymorphism> ah nice, plug + play
[18:38:06] <XXCoder> I also want to use my WALK/HAND sign as cnc running status light lol
[18:38:35] <XXCoder> but its 120v so i doubt I can use it. I guess led arrays can be removed and used seperately using much lower voltage but I'm no electrician
[18:38:56] <XXCoder> walking man sign works fine but hand is half dead :( dunno if fixable lol
[18:41:31] <XXCoder> just bought this, and was playing around with it. http://picpaste.com/pics/0df070ba05d48f91a26176fbfa7881f6.1466810054.jpg
[18:41:35] <XXCoder> not too bad, kinda fun
[18:42:49] <Polymorphism> relay
[18:42:51] <Polymorphism> easy peasy
[18:43:32] <Polymorphism> just get an electronic box from home depot etc and put the relay and an arduino in there, and an outlet, wire up a plug
[18:43:33] <Polymorphism> done
[18:43:41] <Polymorphism> some simple code to take a high signal on a pin and switch the relay on
[18:44:04] <XXCoder> cool.
[18:44:18] <XXCoder> though I want to modify it so it dont use 120v
[18:44:25] <XXCoder> dunno lol, wish i knew more lol
[18:44:30] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Channel-DC-5V-Relay-Switch-Module-for-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi-ARM-AVR-/231770174148?hash=item35f69432c4:g:-YUAAOSwxN5WXRVY
[18:44:37] <Polymorphism> thats what I use with arduino
[18:45:00] <Polymorphism> $2 for the arduino $2 for the relay, $5 for box, $3 for cord, $2 for outlet
[18:45:09] <Polymorphism> less than $15 total!
[18:45:31] <Polymorphism> yeah you could swap it out with LEDs maybe
[18:45:35] <XXCoder> it is led
[18:45:39] <Polymorphism> ah
[18:45:48] <Polymorphism> so its the power supplies running on 120
[18:45:52] <XXCoder> its designed as direct swap for older walk/stop signs
[18:46:00] <Polymorphism> how do you get your hands on that heh
[18:46:07] <XXCoder> now that was funny
[18:46:20] <XXCoder> I went to tech recycling center
[18:46:25] <XXCoder> I saw pile of em, $10 each
[18:46:30] <XXCoder> got one because why not
[18:46:50] <XXCoder> I didn't realize its not very common to be sold used
[18:46:57] <XXCoder> usually they throw away or recycle
[18:49:48] <Polymorphism> lol
[18:50:09] <Polymorphism> why *wouldnt* you get one at that price
[18:50:21] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: know why half of hand dont work?
[18:50:42] <XXCoder> do leds burn out? I know it takes long time, and they usually degrade rather than burn out
[18:51:18] <Polymorphism> I have a theory
[18:51:27] <Polymorphism> if one LED burns out depending how they are wired you can lose a lot of them
[18:51:32] <Polymorphism> thats how I fixed an LED grow light
[18:51:39] <Polymorphism> one led was bad, just bypassed it and they all came on
[18:51:45] <Polymorphism> it could also be a dual power supply and one is freid
[18:51:47] <Polymorphism> fried
[19:05:17] <XXCoder> sounds like just usual for series
[19:05:35] <XXCoder> if one led breaks connection whole series would "burn out"
[19:05:58] <Polymorphism> yes, quite likely thats all it is
[19:06:12] <Polymorphism> LEDs have exceptionally long life but they arent immune to premature failure
[19:06:21] <Polymorphism> maybe thats all it is in your sign
[19:06:26] <XXCoder> indeed
[19:06:34] <XXCoder> its been outside for quite a while
[19:06:46] <XXCoder> its front glass has termal stress
[19:07:15] <XXCoder> it has been protected from direct sunlight clearly because there is no fade
[19:07:40] <XXCoder> oh yeah I remember reading this. do you know that leds can be used as light sensors too?
[19:15:45] <somenewguy> anyone awake in here?
[19:15:50] <XXCoder> no
[19:15:52] <somenewguy> dang
[19:15:55] <XXCoder> I'm sleep-typing
[19:15:58] <XXCoder> whats up
[19:16:00] <somenewguy> let me know whe nsomeone wakes up
[19:16:02] <somenewguy> lol
[19:16:22] <somenewguy> I finally got me a DC motor for my mill, but I am wondering whats the smartest way to control it
[19:16:51] <somenewguy> its a baby mill, so its only a 1/4 hp motor (name plate says 4hp but those are craftsman hp"
[19:17:09] <XXCoder> craftman is new chinese
[19:17:27] <somenewguy> currently the mill is run by a gecko drive g540
[19:17:45] <somenewguy> not sure if I want to find a drive to interface with the VFD, or if there is some mesa solution that is smarter
[19:18:10] <gregcnc> dc motor control at minimum, servo is possible
[19:18:25] <somenewguy> it's a 100v motor from a treadmill, so current is reasonable
[19:18:54] <somenewguy> I have an encoder floating around, but the resolution is a little too high lol, but might as well use it
[19:29:38] <XXCoder> is there such thing as too high resolution?
[19:30:04] <somenewguy> only if you don't have dedicated hardware for the encoder
[19:30:25] <somenewguy> all those ticks can slow the rest of the device down if it's poorly implemented, but I doubt any commercial controller would suffer from that issue
[19:30:53] <somenewguy> does MESA make a board for this, I'm digging thru the cataloge now
[19:49:35] <cpresser> somenewguy: 7i77 has quadrature-encoder inputs
[19:53:23] * XXCoder facepalms
[19:53:25] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com/a/skffp
[19:56:16] <XXCoder> fun starts after few pages
[19:57:27] <XXCoder> it gets more and more surreal
[19:59:15] <XXCoder> it manages to get worse at page 17
[20:06:56] <somenewguy> i never did make it thru law school, I guess i know why now
[20:07:19] <somenewguy> cpresser: thanks! i'm looking into it, someday I will upgrade my mill and I want to have the electronics to do it on hand already
[20:13:00] <hatch789> hey guys anyone home?
[20:13:42] <hatch789> I have a few questions about general LinuxCNC setup and safety systems with regard to e-stop and power buttons etc...
[20:13:45] <XXCoder> whats wrong with using irc elsewhere?
[20:14:11] <hatch789> lol XXCoder
[20:14:14] <XXCoder> ;) though not expert so cant answer your question, there is some thats here also
[20:14:40] <hatch789> so anyway I have my linuxcnc up and running but I don't think that I ever built my stops into it properly.
[20:15:22] <hatch789> for instance, right now my machine Tree Journeyman 200R will still use all of it's limit switches and e-stops by itself
[20:15:37] <hatch789> I don't have LinuxCNC tied into any of the e-stops and so-forth on the machine
[20:16:04] <hatch789> I'd like to do a "best practice" setup but not sure where to get the info on how it's recommended to be setup
[20:16:21] <hatch789> like how to tie the stops in and how to tie the power and things into LinuxCNC
[20:16:26] <XXCoder> I still need to build some nice control box for mine.
[20:16:33] <XXCoder> its badly wired up now
[20:18:41] <andypugh> hatch789: You probably want the e-stops to be entirely independent of the software (ie, if the software breaks, the e-stops still work).
[20:19:06] <andypugh> But you also want LinuxCNC to know that the e-stop has been triggered.
[20:19:55] <yasnak> estop? you mean the switch on the power strip?
[20:19:56] <yasnak> ;p
[20:20:48] <hatch789> well my limits are exactly that way
[20:20:59] <hatch789> LinuxCNC is in parallel with my limit switches
[20:21:06] <hatch789> so it knows when I hit a limit and which one it is
[20:21:15] <XXCoder> lol another thing my machine needs
[20:23:28] <andypugh> hatch789: I am no expert, but it sounds like your machine is set up pretty well.
[20:23:47] <hatch789> hey andy
[20:24:01] <hatch789> Thank you for your help the other night
[20:24:07] <hatch789> I'm trying to take the next steps now
[20:24:09] <andypugh> It is possible that it is a better choice to stop the spindle under power than cut power to it. This will depend on the machine and the spindle.
[20:24:59] <hatch789> well for now I'm not even messing with the spindle I'm more worried about the power button vs drift on the machine.
[20:25:04] <hatch789> if you have a moment I'll explain
[20:25:57] <hatch789> I have my Westamp drivers very nicely tuned to perfect balance and no movement at all when the machine is on and servo's are powered up. The MESA cards are OFF in this scenario
[20:27:04] <hatch789> so then if I press the e-stop and power my servo's down and power my MESA cards up, not even in LinuxCNC right at this time...
[20:27:28] <hatch789> I can then turn my servo's back on and where they sat perfectly still before now they will drift very slowly
[20:27:43] <PCW__> The drives should never be enabled unless linuxCNC is running and in the machine-one state
[20:28:07] <hatch789> I can even see a small 0.10 v on the X and a 0.045v on the Y from the signal wires
[20:28:15] <hatch789> so this is why the servos drift I imagine
[20:28:44] <PCW__> if you ever see drift, the drive enables are not properly controlled
[20:29:03] <hatch789> so yeah PCW someone (maybe you) said that to me 2 nights ago. But this is the part I'm trying to figure out now.
[20:29:12] <andypugh> I wouldn’t count on servos ever _not_ drifting. Even if they don’t drift now, when the temperature changes, or the components age, etc, a drift is likely.
[20:29:14] <PCW__> this is a safety issue
[20:29:20] <hatch789> yeah the drives are under no control at that time. as soon as I press POWER button on linuxCNC then the drives stop
[20:29:43] <hatch789> so ok cool
[20:29:43] <hatch789> that's all good
[20:29:50] <hatch789> means I have nothing wrong with my machine or LinuxCNC
[20:30:04] <hatch789> so I just need to hook things up in the proper series now to do what you guys recommend
[20:30:07] <andypugh> So, you need LinuxCNC to turn on the controllers, then turn on the amps, in that sequence.
[20:30:27] <hatch789> by the controllers you mean the mesa cards?
[20:30:37] <andypugh> In this case, yes.
[20:30:40] <hatch789> ok
[20:30:43] <PCW__> Yes this is important for safety so linuxCNC can shut down a runaway drive
[20:30:56] <hatch789> is there a whitepaper or something (URL LINK) to point me in the right direction?
[20:31:33] <andypugh> (So, for example, if the Mesa-card watchdog bites, one result of that should be the amps being diabled)
[20:31:45] <hatch789> ok I like that
[20:32:35] <hatch789> is there some links or directions (pdf file maybe) to help walk me through a suggested setup?
[20:33:34] <andypugh> hatch789: This does seem like somethign that official standards will cover, but I don’t know of any specifically. I will point out that I am just an amateur in this field.
[20:36:24] <andypugh> There seems to be some goo guidelines about how to think about machine safety here: http://www.schneider-electric.co.uk/documents/original-equipment-manufacturers/pdf/Machine-safety-guide.pdf
[20:36:47] <hatch789> ok thank you
[20:37:20] <hatch789> what is the best way to understand what HAL Signals are reading my limits and e-stop?
[20:37:27] <andypugh> It is more based on what you need to achieve rather than what to do.
[20:37:45] <hatch789> 7i42TA card is tied into my limit switches (in parallel)
[20:38:14] <andypugh> You probably need to look at the man-pages for motion (mainly) halui and iocontrol.
[20:38:39] <hatch789> is the setup for these signals in my .hal file?
[20:38:49] <andypugh> Yes
[20:39:08] <hatch789> net min-home-x <= hm2_7i43.0.gpio.025.in
[20:39:26] <hatch789> so my hal meter I just look at gpio 25?
[20:39:30] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html tells you (rather tersely) what the motion inputs do.
[20:40:08] <andypugh> Bear in mind that that HAL line above means nothing specific. min-home-x there could just as easily be called “susan”.
[20:41:12] <andypugh> but elsewhere you will probably see min-home-x (or susan) being linked to axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
[20:42:39] <andypugh> The net-names in HAL are like the colours of wires in a panel. They give clues to function, but there is no guarantee they contain the signal you think they do.
[20:43:48] <hatch789> ok so maybe I have something wrong then
[20:44:25] <hatch789> I thought I had all of these in parallel with the real limit switches on the Mill. But I just drove the servo (gently) into the X minimum limit switch and nothing happened
[20:45:05] <XXCoder> hatch789: can you directly trigger switch?
[20:45:23] <XXCoder> if so, is there a way to see switch status see if its triggered?
[20:47:01] <hatch789> yes I can press it with my finger if that's what you mean?
[20:47:30] <hatch789> but there's so many signals to watch how will I know which one(s) to watch?
[20:47:38] <XXCoder> good question actually
[20:48:29] <andypugh> hatch789: Search the HAL files for lim-sw-in?
[20:49:21] <andypugh> Limits won’t do anything much to LinuxCNC unless that are connected to the axis pins (from the motion module).
[20:50:11] <andypugh> This is the point I am making about the net names. No matter what the nets are called, they don’t do anything unless they go somewhere.
[20:50:44] <andypugh> Well past time for me to be asleep.
[21:02:00] <Nick-shop> <pcw_home> You around?
[21:04:42] <XXCoder> HMM got idea what to do with cnc
[21:04:45] <XXCoder> build a rover
[21:05:17] <XXCoder> if I use oil-melted HDPE it will have self lubicating gears too
[21:09:55] <gregcnc> https://imgur.com/gallery/cSOFdsX
[21:36:45] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Took me a while to associate the GB with the GB ;)
[21:36:56] <gregcnc> me too
[21:37:03] <FinboySlick> Let's all blame andy for it.
[21:37:11] <FinboySlick> I bet it was all his doing.