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[02:42:57] <Deejay> moin
[02:43:02] <XXCoder> yo
[02:43:13] <Deejay> greetings
[02:43:24] <XXCoder> whats up
[02:46:20] <Deejay> not much ;)
[02:56:07] <XXCoder> same
[02:56:37] <XXCoder> helped bro fix RV, checked over my van's vacuum system (found issue)
[02:56:49] <XXCoder> my van's DPT isn't holding vacuum
[04:08:10] <XXCoder> chaoic chessboard nice!
[04:08:11] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/CR8-N4b3qVM
[04:15:18] <XXCoder> amazing.
[04:56:16] <jthornton> morning
[04:56:22] <XXCoder> hey
[05:12:04] <Deejay> great chessboard
[05:12:32] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:12:43] <XXCoder> I love detail within detail
[05:12:52] <XXCoder> chaoic squares
[08:27:49] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-08.jpg
[09:07:32] <Jymmm> Gota admit, aliexpress has an impressive payment/email system. There's like 2.5 seconds between when I click PAY NOW and when the email is in my INBOX.
[09:16:48] <archivist> JT-Shop, is having too much fun :)
[09:18:52] <zeeshan> he has
[09:18:56] <zeeshan> so much equipment :D
[10:21:57] <_methods> That's a lot of tractors
[10:24:15] <MacGalempsy> Morning all
[10:40:47] <Magnifikus> Jymmm, aliexpress is quite good if you know what you want
[10:40:55] <Magnifikus> and you can live with that special smell :)
[10:41:04] <Magnifikus> raw from factory stolen
[10:41:09] <[cube]> JT-Shop: just add googley eyes and make your own zerby derby
http://i.imgur.com/E6vfOoc.jpg
[10:45:20] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Well, I was speaking specifically of their infrastructure. 3 seconds or less for click-to-email; that's accepting order, processing payment, sending out email and having your ISP accept and deliver it to your mailbox, between the US and China.
[10:48:11] <MacGalempsy> wrong guy jymmm
[10:48:29] <Jymmm> Eh, all you M's look alike!
[10:48:46] <Jymmm> M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M&M's
[10:58:03] <Deejay> i think you missed one M
[10:58:31] * tiwake pokes _methods
[11:02:56] <_methods> yo
[11:04:11] <tiwake> _methods: just giving you a poke for the sake of saking
[11:04:33] <_methods> haha
[11:05:02] <tiwake> _methods: any idea how much those reverse engineering arms cost with a probing ball?
[11:05:14] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you work at an M&M factory?
[11:05:32] <Tom_itx> job gettin to ya?
[11:05:38] <_methods> you mean like a romer arm or faro arm?
[11:05:48] <tiwake> I... don't know?
[11:05:58] <_methods> we bought a romer infinity arm about 10 years ago for like $65k
[11:06:25] <_methods> that thing was horribly annoying
[11:06:34] <tiwake> why?
[11:06:37] <_methods> imagine trying to measure something while fighting an octopus
[11:06:44] <_methods> and you have a faro arm
[11:06:45] <tiwake> ha
[11:07:42] <tiwake> think a laser scanning thing would be better?
[11:07:49] <tiwake> might not be as precise
[11:07:54] <_methods> they have laser attachments for them
[11:08:19] <tiwake> hmm
[11:08:34] <tiwake> still, thats kind of a lot expensive
[11:08:35] <Tom_itx> they've got all sorts of scanners at the lab but i'm not sure which ones are more accurate
[11:08:48] <_methods> http://www.faro.com/products/metrology/faroarm-measuring-arm/overview
[11:08:54] <Tom_itx> they ain't cheap
[11:08:55] <_methods> i'm assuming that is what you're asking of
[11:09:15] <_methods> no they are not cheap
[11:09:20] <_methods> but not as bad as a full cmm
[11:09:28] <_methods> for a comparably sized cmm that is
[11:09:38] <_methods> but no where near as accurate as a cmm either
[11:09:43] <tiwake> CMM?
[11:10:15] <_methods> http://www.romer.com/
[11:10:16] <tiwake> Cute Machining Mates?
[11:10:22] <_methods> coordinate measuring machine
[11:11:48] <tiwake> hmm
[11:12:06] <tiwake> the picture shows him using it on a cylinder head
[11:14:51] <tiwake> _methods: what kind of accuracy do you get from it?
[11:15:02] <_methods> it depends a lot on the operator
[11:15:14] <tiwake> you?
[11:15:28] <_methods> depends on how drunk i got the night before lol
[11:15:45] <tiwake> literally laughing out loud
[11:15:51] <_methods> how shaky your hands be
[11:16:15] <Tom_itx> cmm is one of the more accurate methods
[11:16:32] <_methods> yeah an arm would definitely not be my first choice
[11:16:34] <Tom_itx> no pun intended
[11:16:39] <tiwake> they don't have vibration dampening stuff built in?
[11:16:40] <_methods> hahah
[11:16:55] <_methods> sure but it's kinda wonky
[11:17:07] <_methods> hard to explain unless you've used one
[11:17:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yep, it's NUTS! And plain, peanut butter too!
[11:17:33] <tiwake> camera lenses have had similar stuff for a long... hmmm
[11:17:42] <_methods> but fighting a drunk octopus is about as close as i can describe it
[11:18:18] <_methods> the shorter arms are more manageable
[11:18:49] <_methods> but still how the operator takes points is extremely dependent on the operator
[11:18:53] <tiwake> maybe it would be better to use it in a thick liquid
[11:19:12] <_methods> thick mud with strippers preferrably
[11:19:25] * tiwake face palms
[11:20:14] <tiwake> an oil of some sort, I suppose
[11:21:17] <tiwake> _methods: how much do you charge to use it?
[11:21:29] <_methods> oh we don't have it anymore
[11:21:44] <_methods> got rid of it
[11:21:54] <MacGalempsy> looking through the manual for the purpose of setting up the ATC through classic ladder, I seemed to notice an absence of a method to use a rotory encoder with classic ladder. Can anyone who has done this point me in the right direction?
[11:22:04] <_methods> but we would probably just charge regular job rate
[11:22:10] <_methods> $120/hr
[11:22:21] <_methods> if you supplied the 3d model
[11:22:34] <tiwake> or sample part
[11:22:36] <tiwake> yeah
[11:23:02] <_methods> oh you want to reverse engineer something it would probably be more like $200/hr
[11:23:28] <_methods> try your local metrology dealer if you just want to try and get something reversed
[11:23:43] <_methods> a lot of times they may work with you on one of their demo machines
[11:24:32] <tiwake> I'm not specifically looking to do that, but a friend was asking me about making some parts for a car... would need to make an adapter plate for the transmission... which is probably impossible to measure without some sort of machine
[11:25:51] <tiwake> it might be a future project, but those kinds of measuring machine is not something I've really bothered to look at before
[11:26:11] <_methods> well they're not cheap for sure
[11:26:20] <_methods> and time on them can be prohibitively expensive
[11:26:42] <tiwake> I'm gathering that
[11:29:46] <tiwake> mozmck: you around
[11:29:48] <tiwake> ?
[11:31:15] <archivist> tiwake, you can get old CMMs for not a lot
[11:31:50] <tiwake> archivist: do any exist with linuxCNC?
[11:32:01] <tiwake> or does it not work that way?
[11:33:18] <archivist> I dont think anyone has done a full cmm with linuxcnc yet
[11:33:45] <tiwake> why not?
[11:34:27] <archivist> no one been brave enough yet
[11:34:41] <archivist> here is a starter kit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITUTOYO-AE122-CO-ORDINATE-MEASURING-MACHINE-NO-PROBE-AND-READOUT-/122016968355
[11:34:51] <tiwake> maybe I just have to work with linuxCNC first for a bit before I understand why
[11:35:08] <archivist> I already have a starter kit here ready
[11:35:39] <archivist> but I managed to fire mine up on its original control
[11:35:47] <tiwake> _methods:
http://thefuckingweather.com
[11:36:35] <_methods> hehe
[11:36:49] <archivist> people are probing with linuxcnc though
[11:37:29] <tiwake> archivist: probing deep?
[11:37:33] <archivist> giant leap from there to full cmm and outputting a drawing
[11:39:10] <archivist> there are aspects of CMM needs already in the mesa cards (grab the encoder count on trigger)
[11:42:27] <tiwake> who makes and designs those mesa cards anyway?
[11:42:45] <archivist> mesa makes and designs them
[11:43:09] <tiwake> are they a japinese company?
[11:43:15] <tiwake> chinese? american?
[11:44:06] <archivist> american
[11:44:30] <tiwake> interesting
[11:46:13] <Crom> Mesa is in the north part of Richmond, California. Up north of Hilltop Mall right next to Pinole
[11:49:12] <tiwake> lost my eye glasses the other day
[11:49:18] <tiwake> bleh
[11:49:36] <_methods> i guess that's better than losing your glass eye
[11:50:18] <tiwake> ordered two more pair on
http://www.zennioptical.com for $30 shipped
[11:50:20] <_methods> mmmmm nap time
[11:50:40] <_methods> 2 bloody mary's down and a monte christo
[11:50:47] <tiwake> already?
[11:50:53] <_methods> it's noon here
[11:50:55] <_methods> lol
[11:50:58] <tiwake> its barely noon
[11:51:00] <tiwake> there
[11:51:15] <tiwake> were you counting down the seconds till noon?
[11:51:57] <_methods> hahah
[11:52:01] <_methods> nope
[12:13:09] <JT-Shop> archivist: that fun is almost over with finally
[12:29:08] <archivist> I can imagine you finding an excuse to build another later :)
[12:48:10] <Frank_11> hi, here its fathers day, so happy fathers day to you guys
[13:22:31] * Deejay isn't father
[13:29:06] * archivist old free and single too
[13:29:48] <archivist> and who has hidden my spectralyser wall wart
[13:33:57] <skunkworks> I have a huge box with adapters in it.. My boss asked why we need so many. (then the next day he needed on that we found in the box..)
[13:34:27] <skunkworks> Finally figured out to put them in baggies so that they don't rats nest after a given period of time
[13:35:53] <archivist> I put some stuff in bags, other stuff ends up in boxes as did the spectralyser, in bits, managed to put it back together, just need the power to try it
[13:52:27] <miss0r> My new $100 lathe is installed in my shop :)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7NmRwWE5iNmxBUEk
[13:53:24] <BeachBumPete> Congrats man looks like it will be a nice one
[13:53:51] <Frank_11> sweet
[13:54:07] <miss0r> the weight in iron is worth more than I payed for it, so a good deal no matter that :)
[13:54:23] <Frank_11> ur going to rebuild ot
[13:54:25] <Frank_11> it?
[13:55:37] <miss0r> For starters i'm going to clean it. the picture is somewhat groggy, I apologize for that. I already cleaned and relubricated the linear ways and all the moving parts on top of the linear ways. I'll do some measuering and see if it even needs a rebuild.
[13:55:55] <miss0r> To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't run that many hours, so it might be in excellent condition
[13:56:18] <miss0r> i'll have to put a dial indicator on it to know for sure
[13:58:04] <miss0r> it has feed on both y and z axis. I've always wanted that. and it seems everything is working. well, except; the cludge doesn't quite disengage. but the previous owner told me that was due to him pouring too much oil in the gearbox - apparently the oil level glass was too dirty for him to see the level correctly
[13:58:25] <miss0r> so, fingers crossed
[14:02:40] <archivist> skunkworks, system works, found the right wall wart :)
[14:05:24] <skunkworks> heh
[14:06:40] <miss0r> Can you guys tell me where I can find a manual for such a lathe? (Zelenda zn 150) I have searched the web for a few hours here'n there, but can't find one
[14:09:12] <miss0r> bleh. kid woke up. see you around
[15:46:13] <landau> hello
[15:48:00] <landau> i have this error in linuxcnc
[15:48:06] <landau> http://pastebin.com/raw/YX0yZVPr
[15:50:02] <landau> the linuxcnc version is the last source from git, kernel is 3.10.32 with RTAI 5.0
[15:50:16] <landau> please can you help me to solve this problem
[15:52:52] <andypugh> Hmm, thats an exciting error
[15:53:00] <landau> noone can help me??
[15:53:09] <landau> ahh thanks
[15:53:19] <CaptHindsight> landau: why are you building from source?
[15:53:53] <andypugh> Which kernel version?
[15:53:54] <landau> because I compiled a kernel and I have RTAI 5.0
[15:54:04] <landau> kernel version 3.10.32
[15:54:23] <landau> RTAI is from ShabbyX
[15:55:09] <CaptHindsight> post your RTAI config file
[15:55:17] <landau> ok
[15:55:27] <CaptHindsight> plus why are you using ShabbyX tree?
[15:56:05] <landau> because I found it's more updated
[15:56:13] <CaptHindsight> use this one
https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI
[15:56:21] <CaptHindsight> it's the latest RTAI
[15:56:50] <landau> ok thanks
[15:56:56] <CaptHindsight> landau: it's really the wrong channel for this question
[15:57:23] <CaptHindsight> bu the dev channel will probably ask you why you're doing all this anyway
[15:57:35] <landau> ok but I have another question
[15:58:02] <CaptHindsight> leaving in 5 minutes or less, so maybe a short question
[15:58:37] <landau> I have some troubles with linuxcnc at very low speed say 150 mm/min and step motors randomly stall
[15:58:45] <andypugh> landau: It looks like your problem (according to one of the devs on the other channel) is that your RTAI has a #define of UNOFFICIAL when it probably should be 5
[15:59:02] <landau> ok
[15:59:25] <andypugh> Should be fairly easy to find the word and change it to a number
[15:59:34] <landau> thats the rtai conf
[15:59:35] <landau> http://pastebin.com/raw/j2ApajYf
[16:00:10] <landau> is it that? CONFIG_RTAI_VERSION="5.0 (unofficial)"
[16:00:50] <andypugh> Might be easier to change the test in /home/ciccio/linuxcnc-dev/src/rtapi/rtai_rtapi.c:79 so that it includes the file
[16:02:01] <landau> I changed from 2 to 5 in line 79
[16:02:09] <landau> Is that right?
[16:03:24] <landau> or maybe I comment the if statement
[16:05:50] <landau> Simply copied and pasted outside the if statement
[16:06:41] <landau> and it works...for now...
[16:06:44] <landau> thanks
[16:08:07] <landau> yeah it worked!! Thanks
[16:08:33] <landau> I have another question Is it possible to run Linuxcnc on x86_64?
[16:11:49] <pcw_home> RT-Preempt: yes, Not sure about RTAI 64 bit
[16:13:23] <landau> now I have another error executing Linuxcnc: Error: could not insert module /home/ciccio/linuxcnc-dev/rtlib/rtapi.ko: Unknown symbol in module
[16:19:20] <landau> do you know why I have this error?
[16:19:27] <CaptHindsight> RTAI 64b works with linuxcnc , but only the NTILINUX tree
[16:19:51] <CaptHindsight> shabbyx and rtai.org are NOT going to work with Linuxcnc
[16:19:53] <landau> ok thanks
[16:20:29] <landau> so I will try the NTILINUX tree
[16:22:03] <pcw_home> RT-Preempt might be easier...
[16:22:44] <landau> but as far as I know the RT-Preempt is only for simulations
[16:24:09] <pcw_home> nope, it runs LinuxCNC realtime
[16:25:11] <landau> ok but by the way what's the best in terms of performance? RT-Preempt or RTAI?
[16:26:15] <pcw_home> RT-Preempt may have worse latency than RTAI depending on PC hardware
[16:26:53] <pcw_home> but on some modern hardware its comparable latency wise
[16:27:13] <landau> ok now I'm running on Intel Atom D2700 and I think I have some latency issues
[16:27:42] <pcw_home> a D2700 will run better with RTAI
[16:27:43] <landau> when I run at very low speed, my motors randomly stall
[16:27:56] <landau> ok
[16:28:06] <pcw_home> Thats not likely to be a latency issue
[16:29:30] <landau> yes but I don't know what could be..I was thinking that a very low speed I'm able to appreciate the stall because it's a very short stall
[16:29:36] <pcw_home> stalls at a few hundred steps/second are more likely related to resonance
[16:29:56] <landau> axis resonances?
[16:30:12] <pcw_home> step motor resonances
[16:30:48] <landau> ok it's clear...So what to do for avoiding this?
[16:31:00] <landau> running faster I know
[16:31:31] <landau> I mean, better stepper motors? Better electronics?
[16:31:31] <pcw_home> using a higher microstep ratio helps
[16:31:42] <landau> OK
[16:31:59] <landau> now I'm running 1/8
[16:32:14] <landau> I can try 1/16
[16:34:37] <pcw_home> if you dont get real time errors, you would not expect stalls at low speeds unless
[16:34:39] <pcw_home> it resonance or perhaps something else is marginal
[16:34:40] <pcw_home> like signal levels or timing at the drive interface
[16:34:51] <pcw_home> unless its
[16:35:05] <landau> ok
[16:35:40] <landau> its what
[16:36:07] <pcw_home> just fixing my typo
[16:36:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:32] <landau> LOL
[17:34:42] <Crom> wow it's beyond freaking hot today
[17:35:21] <Crom> web lies it's more than 107F
[17:39:17] <yasnak> 96 here
[17:39:18] <yasnak> ;/
[17:39:29] <yasnak> and it doesn't even seem hot. shady and windy.
[17:40:29] <_methods> it's awesome here it's only like 84f
[17:41:23] <yasnak> i miss the north. funeral for one of the guys who died in the Orlando murders. some lady drives her car through the procession. i swear, the heat down here melts brains.
[17:41:32] <andypugh> Pleasant sunny day here, I think it probably made it into the middle 60s.
[17:42:07] <yasnak> ;/
[17:42:19] <yasnak> happy fathers days to those with dads / are dads
[17:48:36] <Crom> yasnak, thanks on both parts
[17:49:06] <Crom> Wearing my sons prezzy today.. a Westfalia Republic Tshirt
[17:49:21] <Crom> from Gowesty.com
[17:53:33] <yasnak> awesome! i tried to go get a haircut today and found out it was fathers day ;)
[18:01:53] <XXCoder> 65F here
[18:17:47] <andypugh> yasnak: I am not seeing the dichotomy
[18:18:23] <yasnak> place was closed
[18:18:29] <andypugh> Oh
[18:18:38] <andypugh> Wasn’t that becasue it is Sunday?
[18:18:47] <XXCoder> sorry that your hair is long for a little bit longer
[18:19:11] <yasnak> eh, cities work 7 days a week. as for long hair on a guy in a shop with hp coolant...it sucks fast ;)
[18:19:22] <andypugh> I would expect the percentage of fathers amongst haridressing professionals to be lower than average.
[18:19:45] <XXCoder> why? because they all cut balls?
[18:20:38] <andypugh> They tend to be quite often femal, and the rest are gayer than average.
[18:21:39] <XXCoder> "They" "rest"
[18:21:59] <andypugh> I did only say “lower than average” In the same sense that I have more than the average number of legs.
[18:22:01] <XXCoder> I have never met femal and/or gayer than average one
[18:22:15] <yasnak> hmm
[18:22:28] <XXCoder> barbers anyway
[18:22:42] <XXCoder> I used to work at company where me, being stright, was minority
[18:23:15] <yasnak> nah, just forgot about fathers day. dad was a police officer. he died while i was in elementary school.
[18:23:25] <andypugh> Film? TV? Ball-gag manufacturing?
[18:23:40] <XXCoder> nah vending lol
[18:24:04] <XXCoder> you could not tell if nobody told you
[18:24:58] <andypugh> When my dad was capable of expressing an opinion he was not in favour of Father’s Day, viewing it as an import from the US aimed at selling more stuff.
[18:25:20] <XXCoder> I never really got to know my dad
[18:25:59] <XXCoder> I wish OI had more chances to talk
[18:26:02] <andypugh> You would be somebody else, if you had.
[18:26:10] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:27:13] <yasnak> haha yes. its for the stores
[18:27:29] <XXCoder> did you see easter?
[18:27:37] <XXCoder> more and more bucket with gifts and such
[18:27:38] <XXCoder> jeez
[18:27:54] <XXCoder> and adults pushing other kids to get more eggs for their kids
[18:28:06] <yasnak> lol
[18:29:06] <XXCoder> yasnak: you ever seen sports parents?
[18:29:13] <yasnak> sports parents?
[18:29:18] <yasnak> as in like soccer moms?
[18:29:25] <XXCoder> among others yes
[18:29:54] <XXCoder> they want trophy kids and break kids to have one
[18:30:06] <yasnak> yes. helicopter parents. where as soon as their kids leave for college they come back addicted heroin
[18:30:15] <XXCoder> they'll use ANYTHING to get kid fighting. including withdraw of love
[18:30:24] <yasnak> yep
[18:30:26] <XXCoder> what results is broken adults
[18:30:31] <yasnak> its how you really screw a kid up.
[18:30:44] <andypugh> yasnak: Just one of many ways.
[18:31:06] <XXCoder> I really need to watch trophy kids movie
[18:31:07] <yasnak> that and allowing them to go to tumblr
[18:31:12] <XXCoder> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3231100/
[18:32:48] <yasnak> so whos used a mitsubishi control before?
[18:35:29] <XXCoder> nah. if you said tb6560 I have stories that would turn your hair white... in 30 years or so
[18:35:50] <yasnak> ugh. its a M700L/V 70 serious
[18:35:52] <yasnak> *series
[18:35:56] <XXCoder> lol
[18:36:29] <yasnak> they lay it out nice in the manuals but the examples are all so basic that I'm afraid that I'm missing or they're missing a code which would drastically break things :P
[18:36:33] <yasnak> and I hate dry running
[18:36:46] <XXCoder> sometimes you do have to dry run
[18:37:31] <yasnak> meh
[18:38:39] <XXCoder> ugggh
[18:38:52] <XXCoder> must be one of those parents. long quote:
[18:38:54] <XXCoder> Why don't these kids try harder? What excellent parents, putting their lives aside to help their kids achieve their dreams. If only the kids were more grateful for having such loving parents. It's important to be the best and their parents have all the knowledge they need in life. They need to do better at listening and doing exactly what their parents say and they'll succeed in life. It's for the kids' benefit that they put away chi
[18:38:54] <XXCoder> ldish things and strive to be the best athlete they can be in their favorite sport. The coaches and referees are constantly standing in the kids' way, and god. It shows just how great any kid can be as an athlete if they had a parent that loved them that much.
[18:39:25] <XXCoder> (review of that movie)
[18:40:56] <yasnak> yes
[18:41:13] <andypugh> “to help their kids achieve their dreams” sometimes the english language is so imprecise. It completely fails to provide a way to imply who is dreaming the dreams.
[18:41:15] <yasnak> they try to relive their childhood through their kids
[18:41:24] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:41:58] <andypugh> XXCoder: I guess ASL would be even worse there, unless you point?
[18:42:19] <XXCoder> andypugh: everyone can sign at that company
[18:42:34] <XXCoder> only one could not, hire condition is that he learns it
[18:43:11] <XXCoder> he was learning VERY rapidly when I moved on to training job machinist
[18:43:48] <andypugh> I wanted to learn semaphore, to communicate accross crowded bars.
[18:43:55] <XXCoder> why?
[18:44:03] <XXCoder> learn asl, its more full featured language
[18:44:43] <yasnak> you guys sign?
[18:45:29] <XXCoder> yep
[18:45:47] <XXCoder> rather, me, and ponentally in future andy
[18:46:06] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmudPExkKJ4
[18:46:08] <_methods> yasnak: i've used some mitsubishi meldas controllers
[18:46:11] <_methods> wha'ts up?
[18:46:43] <_methods> i kinda liked their controllers personally
[18:46:45] <yasnak> k quick question
[18:46:53] <yasnak> actually me too...so simple
[18:46:55] <yasnak> it seems at least
[18:46:58] <_methods> yeah
[18:46:59] <XXCoder> andypugh: nice
[18:47:22] <yasnak> but have you used them in a swiss type setup? where you need to sync main/sub c & z
[18:47:28] <_methods> no sorry
[18:47:30] <yasnak> but also rechuck multiple times?
[18:47:32] <yasnak> dang
[18:47:36] <_methods> only regular 3 axis mill
[18:47:49] <yasnak> ah yeah, we have the M700 on two new mills
[18:48:00] <yasnak> its actually quite nice but honestly I still love okuma
[18:48:08] <XXCoder> this video was made in 1817
https://youtu.be/XITbj3NTLUQ
[18:48:10] <_methods> yeah i mean you can't really beat okuma
[18:48:20] <_methods> it's what every other machine wishes it was
[18:48:22] <XXCoder> err 1913
[18:48:30] <XXCoder> asl itself is invented around 1817
[18:49:06] <yasnak> yeah true. having issues with syncing. maybe not so much issues. just dont want to reprogram to find out I cannot do it the way I think.
[18:49:11] <XXCoder> its like listening to old english I guess, some signs is OLD style
[18:49:23] <_methods> syncing sub spindles?
[18:49:30] <yasnak> yeah, sub to main
[18:49:34] <_methods> you try doing a spindle orient on separate lines
[18:49:50] <_methods> or throw spindle orient on same line i guess
[18:49:54] <andypugh> XXCoder: As you are the only deaf person I know, and we only ever talk through IRC, learning ASl would be sillly for me. Especailly as I live in the UK.
[18:50:11] <yasnak> yeah, i orient them...set the spindle speeds in $1, then go do the g114.1 main slave and phase angle
[18:50:14] <_methods> don't know if you can do spindle orient on lines simul
[18:50:16] <yasnak> m77 to confirm
[18:50:23] <XXCoder> andypugh: ah BSL for you then!
[18:50:32] <andypugh> Indeed.
[18:50:35] <_methods> hmmm
[18:50:41] <andypugh> Are they mutually unintelligible?
[18:50:49] <_methods> you might have to call them on that one if you're having an issue with them syncing
[18:50:57] <XXCoder> largely. fingerspelling is utterly different
[18:50:57] <_methods> sounds like you're doing what needs to be done
[18:51:01] <yasnak> just worried I'll ruin my custom sub collet if they're not actually sunk.
[18:51:11] <_methods> yeah
[18:51:12] <andypugh> yasnak: Do you have a need for multiple spindle support in LinuxCNC? I pretty much have it working.
[18:51:24] <yasnak> yeah for sure, i'll definitely be calling them tomorrow.
[18:51:27] <yasnak> andy...
[18:51:38] <_methods> you try puttin a flag on the spindles and syncing at a slow rpm to test
[18:51:40] <yasnak> I'd actually help you if you were introducting multiaxis.
[18:51:46] <andypugh> https://imagebin.ca/v/2lEYVE12FOlU
[18:52:04] <yasnak> yeah, m3 s1=500 m23 s2=250...blah blah
[18:52:28] <_methods> you put a piece of tape on some stock in the spindles?
[18:52:29] <XXCoder> andypugh: btw some background on the nearly 100 years old video. hes minster and talking about god and love. 100 years old means its older than merge of "white" and "black" asl so hes using pure white asl
[18:52:32] <yasnak> *these codes are all knew. I've done this for years on a siemens controller. it somewhat ruined me
[18:52:37] <_methods> just kinda visually rough inspect
[18:53:08] <yasnak> yeah just warming the machine up now. xxcoder told me i need to stop being a lardass and go dry run. nobody is going to program this for me ;/ only one way to learn lol
[18:53:12] <_methods> hardly scientific lol
[18:53:18] <yasnak> eh it works
[18:53:22] <_methods> yep
[18:53:23] <andypugh> yasnak: To avoid re-writing the entire interpreter to understand the “=“ symbol, I chose to use “E” as a modifier for M3, M4, M5, M19, G33, G33.1
[18:53:24] <yasnak> wish i had one of those interlock keys...
[18:53:45] <yasnak> dang andy
[18:53:45] <_methods> hahah just unscrew the one on the door
[18:54:20] <_methods> i always keep spare interlocks in the toolbox lol
[18:54:28] <yasnak> osha would love that
[18:54:31] <_methods> yeah
[18:54:33] <_methods> heheh
[18:54:51] <_methods> they're underneath my machinerys handbook lol
[18:55:12] <yasnak> andy, does this thing have a configurable editor? if you could use the $1,$2,$3 and so on it would be amazing for creating a multi-channel editor
[18:55:31] <yasnak> I tried using a few editors but their support for such was limited and obviously not open source
[18:55:58] <andypugh> yasnak: In theory it would be possible to write a new interpreter.
[18:55:59] <XXCoder> andypugh: oh yeah and hes also concerned about supression of ASL from deaf schools. very old concern, and fight was successful. otherwise I wouldnt be "talking" in ASL at all.
[18:56:44] <XXCoder> andypugh:
https://theweek.com/articles/549445/what-american-sign-language-looked-like-100-years-ago if curious
[18:57:51] <andypugh> yasnak: Not even all that hard compared to hard things. If you open the sample configs and look at sim->axis->canterp that is an example of a congiguration that uses a completely different interpreter
[18:58:14] <yasnak> I'm interested in building something like WinCNC 2000 & PuJr
http://www.star-m.jp/eng/products/lathe/la_pu.html
[18:58:39] <XXCoder> wincnc uhhh reminds me of winmodem, really bad line of modems back then
[18:58:52] <yasnak> I'll look at the documentation andy and explore. Just started downloading
[19:00:30] <andypugh> There is no documentation for my version of multispindle yet, and, in fact, it only exists on one computer.
[19:01:13] <yasnak> well crap
[19:01:56] <andypugh> It’s only a few days away from being something I can push to a feature branch
[19:11:18] <yasnak> Ill definitely take a look. In the meantime I may actually just try to create a text editor (so not all the bells and whistles of linuxcnc) that allows machine configs with g/m sync codes and the multi-channel's respective delimiters . shouldn't really be all that hard too, would be a great refresher on programming ha.
[19:24:56] <andypugh> Time for me to snooze.
[19:24:58] <andypugh> Night all
[22:55:13] <chopper79> Ran into a problem scaling my spindle speed. Using 0-10v for spindle on Mesa 5i25/7i77 setup. I have my VFD set to 60hz which is the tag on the motor. I also have 1750rpm set in the ini and when I run the spindle I get to 1750rpm on the tach but only 300 on the Axis spindle readout. Anybody have any insight on this as I have looked at many forum posts and can not find a solution (tried many of the forum suggestions.)?
[22:57:03] <CaptHindsight> chopper79: is the tach a stand alone tachometer that is attached directly to the spindle?
[22:57:03] <chopper79> MAX_OUTPUT = 0.0
[22:57:03] <chopper79> OUTPUT_SCALE = 1750
[22:57:04] <chopper79> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
[22:57:04] <chopper79> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 1750
[22:57:11] <chopper79> Yes
[22:57:45] <CaptHindsight> how is the spindle feeding back speed to linuxcnc?
[22:57:55] <chopper79> The tach and the VFD (rpm) readout are with in a couple rpm. Just LCNC is off
[22:57:55] <CaptHindsight> an encoder?
[22:58:05] <chopper79> \No encoder just scaling to assumed RPM
[22:58:18] <chopper79> Based on tach and VFD readout.
[22:58:33] <chopper79> 3ph ac induction motor
[23:00:00] <CaptHindsight> so Axis should display an assumed RPM of the spindle?
[23:00:23] <chopper79> Yes... no differnt then running a VFD and a 2.2kw router spindle.
[23:00:40] <CaptHindsight> and you want to base this on the 0-10V output voltage to the VFD?
[23:00:49] <chopper79> Yes
[23:01:22] <chopper79> I know it will not be exact. I would like to get it close though.
[23:01:45] <chopper79> 100 rpm difference is fair enough.
[23:01:59] <chopper79> I will not be doing any tapping
[23:02:51] <CaptHindsight> I haven't done it that way but you should be able to have the HAL config do it
[23:03:03] <CaptHindsight> please post your HAL config
[23:03:53] <CaptHindsight> I sure several here do it that way and will immediately see your problem
[23:04:30] <chopper79> http://pastebin.com/raw/ZwrV1GPF
[23:05:23] <chopper79> http://pastebin.com/C7Rjx5gp
[23:05:37] <chopper79> Hal is first link .ini is second link
[23:08:17] <chopper79> My other 2 mills use encoders so those two are fine. This is my only mill with a ac induction motor and I may just swap it out for a fanuc spindle motor with encoder if I can not deal with this. Just need the extra $1000.
[23:09:05] <CaptHindsight> it's a really quite time of the day in here
[23:09:35] <CaptHindsight> I'm leaving but I'm sure someone will know in the next few hours
[23:10:20] <chopper79> I agree... Its my only time though. I get up at 4:45am and do not stop with work, family, and other responsibilities until about 10pm every night.
[23:10:36] <chopper79> Try to get what I can when time allows these days
[23:11:29] <pcw_home> what is the analog output voltage when you set 1750 RPM?
[23:13:15] <pcw_home> Or are you saying the spindle speed is correct but the readout is incorrect?
[23:13:41] <CaptHindsight> the readout in AXIS is incorrect
[23:13:57] <CaptHindsight> his tach and VFD show the correct RPM
[23:14:46] <cradek> what readout in AXIS?
[23:15:55] <enleth> he said it displays 300
[23:16:30] <CaptHindsight> chopper79: you still there? help is here
[23:16:50] <chopper79> Ok... @1750rpm the output voltage is 8.27 volts.
[23:16:58] <chopper79> Sorry I was testing a few things
[23:18:47] <chopper79> The VFD screen reads 2100 rpm and the RPM readout in Axis reads 301rpm. The stand alone tack on the spindle matches the VFD readout with in a couple RPM.
[23:19:43] <chopper79> So at 301rpm in LCNC I get 8.27v and 2100rpm on the VFD tach and the spindle tach.
[23:19:50] <chopper79> Hope that makes sense.
[23:20:12] <CaptHindsight> chopper79:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/pyvcp_axis_lathe.png are you trying to have a spindle speed readout like in this pic?
[23:20:43] <chopper79> Yes... I have the readout.
[23:21:16] <CaptHindsight> but it just reads 300 when your tach and VFD read much higher?
[23:21:39] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gs2_panel.png
[23:21:51] <chopper79> Yes... VFD and Tach show 2100rpm while axis shows 301rpm. The output voltage also is 8.27v
[23:22:55] <chopper79> I can get axis to read close to the VFD and Tach when I put a scale number in of 13000 - 14000 instead of 1750
[23:23:53] <chopper79> In my .ini file for output scale and output_max_limi_
[23:23:57] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana
[23:26:25] <chopper79> VFD is set to 60hz based on motor plate.
[23:27:36] <chopper79> So if the motor plate says it is 1750rpm at 60hz then I should get tops of around 1750rpm at 60hz vfd freq. Is this a correwct understanding?
[23:29:18] <chopper79> I was hoping to set the scale somehow to say something like .002v = 1rpm
[23:30:59] <chopper79> I figured based on what I have read is that I should just have to put my rpm into my .ini file output_scale and output_max_scale and be done with that part. I guess I am wrong in this assumption.
[23:31:22] <pcw_home> what is the encoder count on the spindle?
[23:32:48] <chopper79> no encoder...ac induction motor 3ph
[23:33:00] <chopper79> I wish it was encoder ... I woul dhave been done already.
[23:33:33] <chopper79> Shooting for an approximate readout speed with in a 100rpm or less
[23:33:57] <chopper79> Other two mills with encoder were a breeze
[23:34:03] <pcw_home> what is displaying the spindle speed? that's where the error is (not hardware)
[23:35:31] <chopper79> VFD has internal rpm readout and also a stand alone tach on the spindle itself. (separate from VFD and LCNC. The readout in LCNC is showing 300rpm @8.27v while other two tachs are reading 2100 (couple rpm difference)
[23:35:50] <pcw_home> what readout?
[23:36:04] <chopper79> The one you can code into the gui
[23:36:24] <chopper79> pyvcp rpm readout
[23:36:36] <chopper79> generated with PnCconf
[23:36:45] <pcw_home> so that code is wrong or setup wrong , nothing to do with hardware scaling
[23:37:23] <chopper79> I figured it was not hardware issue but more of hal or ini issue.
[23:38:58] <chopper79> The .ini I can input 1750 in to the output_scale and output_max_limit and I get this issue. If I input 13000 -14000 into those field the rpm gets close
[23:40:14] <chopper79> So in the ini or hal file there is where the issue is at I believe, just can not find what is out of place.
[23:54:53] <chopper79> Well.... I have input numbers in my .ini for output_scale and output_max_limit of 12600 and I am with in about 100rpm. Never thought that I would need this high of a number to get the spindle close.
[23:55:13] <chopper79> I think it is time for me to save some money up and purchase a spindle motor with encoder.
[23:56:51] <enleth> chopper79: or maybe just add an encoder
[23:57:00] <enleth> chopper79: that's a much cheaper solution
[23:57:55] <chopper79> I might look into that... Any suggeastions on encoder type
[23:58:00] <chopper79> or place to buy
[23:58:13] <chopper79> I meant line count not type
[23:58:26] <enleth> chopper79: what type of machine is this?
[23:58:41] <chopper79> An 1994 Astro knee mill.
[23:58:53] <chopper79> Teco 3ph ac induction motor 5hp
[23:59:09] <chopper79> using a 10hp VFD for extra head room.
[23:59:19] <enleth> google suggests this is more or less a Bridgeport clone
[23:59:27] <chopper79> naturally not using the VFD to its potential.
[23:59:27] <CaptHindsight> chopper79: if you don't get an answer I'll look at it tomorrow
