#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-06-17

[00:03:56] <enleth> holy crap, the original Brown Pestell VFD in the ORAC lathe is the single most egregiously horrible piece of equipment that claims to be "industrial"
[00:05:19] <enleth> it was made in 1983 but reminds me of late '60s electronics with all the cringe-inducing sloppy assembly practices
[00:07:00] <enleth> which were kind of fine in the '60s because people didn't know any better back then - but making a ribbon cable plug out of a piece of hand-sheared protoboard with pegs soldered onto it wasn't quite cutting egde anymore in the 80s
[00:07:28] <enleth> and - the best part - the control voltages are at mains potential
[00:07:54] <enleth> signal GND is basically the input phase, control circuit 5V is phase+5V and so on
[00:08:38] <enleth> I found out the hard way before I managed to find a manual on a Denford forum
[00:11:22] <enleth> while the problem with getting the spindle to work might actually be somewhere else and the VFD might be fine - I'll find out in a moment - I'm not sure anymore if I really want to keep it even if it works
[00:30:17] <gkwhc> hi, might anyone know how to model something so that cnc does not route the outline, but only the internal artwork? kind of like engraving
[00:55:18] <archivist> enleth, the Starturn DC motor speed control has a live pot from looking at the circuit, not bothered to remote control the speed so far :)
[01:16:51] <enleth> ugh, people who design stuff like this should be shot without a proper execution, let alone a trial
[01:17:41] <archivist> they just had different safety standards towards the people working on gear
[01:18:28] <archivist> I remember 1980's wiring breaking often
[01:20:03] <archivist> I was used to high voltages coming from TV repair on 1960's to 70's
[01:22:00] <enleth> the best part? debugging the "spindle control board" that interfaces the VFD to the rest of the lathe means poking multimeter leads around components at line voltage, on a board that needs to be taken off its mounts to access its bottom side, but the way it flops around on the wires makes it prone to shorting to the chassis
[01:22:24] <enleth> and the wires are too short to pull it out completely and put it on an insulating surface
[01:23:48] <enleth> somehow I've suddenly gained a lot of respect for Heidenhain, whose stuff from about the same period I have as well
[01:23:55] <enleth> it's just worlds apart from this crap
[01:25:04] <archivist> I was fixing a scope yesterday, short wires hard to get at etc, Tektronix
[01:25:36] <enleth> did it actively try to kill you in the process, though?
[01:25:41] <archivist> yes
[01:27:26] <archivist> it arced over on the eht once it fired up, that area was covered in black dust, switched off and waited (not long) and got a small shock as I was getting the cable free to clean it
[01:29:47] <enleth> ah, ok, that's kind of expected
[01:30:13] <enleth> I got zapped more than once by a CRT even after disconnecting the power supply
[01:30:34] <archivist> occupational hazard in the trade
[01:31:52] <archivist> now I just have one more fault in the scope, reduce scan width and height
[01:32:00] <enleth> it's a two-sided glass part coated with lead on both sides, energized with high voltage DC. if you ignore the actual shape of the dielectric layer being kind of unusual, it's just a capacitor
[01:32:56] <archivist> an important capacitor, it is part of the circuit
[01:34:00] <enleth> sure, it's just not a surprise it would hold a nice big charge waiting for someone to touch it, thinking it's safe after disconnecting everything
[01:35:18] <archivist> colour tv was around 25kv, scopes 2-10kv
[01:37:09] <archivist> the kits we supplied at a later job had bare transformer connections, getting a jolt of mains was regular, we used to laugh at whoever got zapped
[01:37:49] <enleth> my grandma had an old Soviet 40" TV, when I got around to dismantling it after she bought a new one, I taped a screwdriver onto the end of a wooden broomstick, jumpered the screwdriver to a grounded pipe and used that to poke under the HV cap to make sure it's discharged
[01:38:48] <enleth> made a nice "SNAP" sound on contact
[01:39:57] <archivist> a plastic screwdriver handle is all the insulation you need
[01:41:12] <archivist> when we did the scrap run on all the old crts, we shorted them and also cracked the pip to let down the vacuum
[01:41:28] <enleth> the screwdrivers I had at hand were Soviet as well, wooden handles pegged with brass pins
[01:42:27] <enleth> touching a pin by accident could have been a risk
[01:46:59] <enleth> oh, about that Varian GC/MS we've talked about yesterday or so - I've asked around some more and talked with people who used a very similar one and decided to ditch the idea of buying it
[01:47:22] <enleth> it just wouldn't be useful for what I need
[01:49:14] <enleth> an emission spectrometer with flame or laser ionisation would be, but I have yet to find one cheap
[01:51:39] <archivist> I was wondering if you just put the metal in the flame of the gc if that would work
[01:52:44] <enleth> I was wondering the same, but apparently it's a huge PITA trying to do that, it's easy to damage the equipment that way and results would be erratic more often than not
[01:53:12] <Sync> enleth: what do you want to do?
[01:54:39] <enleth> Sync: metal alloy composition and polymer composition analysis. For fun and learning mostly, in conjuction with aluminum smelting which I'm also dabbling in just for fun
[01:55:31] <archivist> I suppose I do have some docs http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=BK299
[01:55:33] <Sync> ah
[01:55:43] <Sync> yeah then a gc ms is useless
[01:57:05] <Sync> although I'd do the alloy composition for ferrous stuff by xrd/xrf or spark spectra
[01:57:17] <enleth> Sync: a physicist friend who worked with those said I could probably try to get the MS to do *something* useful with solid samples by completely replacing the ionisator with a laser unit, but that would carry a high risk of damaging it
[01:58:05] <enleth> if the unit was being scrapped anyway, that could have been a nice project, but buying a good working one for significant money for this wouldn't make any sense
[01:58:59] <enleth> so I'm back to checking auction sites from time to time for a cheap old emission spectrometer
[01:59:11] <archivist> I got one toy on ebay that has a spinning mechanism http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=rofin
[01:59:47] <enleth> archivist: where do you keep all the stuff you have listed on the site?
[01:59:50] <archivist> that uses a scope for its display
[02:00:04] <archivist> erm......
[02:00:50] <enleth> most of the time someone mentions some obscure piece of specialized equipment, I'm half expecting you to chime in with a link by now
[02:00:59] <archivist> documentation mapped http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=197
[02:01:07] <Sync> those are not tooo uncommon enleth
[02:02:35] <archivist> enleth, being old free and single means indoors :)
[02:02:46] <enleth> archivist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nbHYOc8ns - have you seen that?
[02:03:30] <archivist> yes a while ago
[02:06:28] <enleth> ok, back to this shitty VFD. I might want to don proper insulating gloves this time, though
[02:06:47] <enleth> having a pair of those, good up to 2.5kV, really helps sometimes
[02:07:00] <archivist> pfft
[02:11:33] <enleth> I had to re-terminate a 4x75mm^2 sectored power cable once with no way to turn it off at the source, they came in *really* handy
[02:15:19] <archivist> there is a good vid on youtube somewhere of a 200kv+ input switch replacement
[02:25:21] <Deejay> moin
[04:42:13] <root-x> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE81tzoWzU
[04:49:41] <root-x> nice simple
[04:49:45] <XXCoder> nice
[04:52:31] <archivist> and undressed something like http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/scorbot-er-3/0302152207.jpg
[04:52:54] <enleth> okay, ORAC works. with a VFD borrowed from the Bridgeport, but it works nevertheless
[04:53:37] <archivist> seb was testing the kins now in linuxcnc for that wrist
[04:54:07] <enleth> the 0-10V speed signal generator is screwed as well, but I can live without it, the whole control is going the way of dodo ASAP anyway
[04:54:59] <Deejay> dodo?
[04:55:19] <XXCoder> now exinact bird
[04:55:21] <Deejay> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo ?
[04:55:24] <Deejay> ah yes
[04:56:22] <archivist> I might have a pcb out of an orac
[04:58:59] <enleth> do you want the shittiest VFD in the world for your collection?
[04:59:11] <enleth> it's dead, but it's really better that way
[04:59:20] <XXCoder> safer. ;lp;
[04:59:22] <XXCoder> *lol
[05:00:01] <enleth> I still cannot fully comprehend the utter crappiness of this device
[05:01:09] <XXCoder> nobody can comprehend the infinity, so you are excused
[05:44:18] <XXCoder> homofaciens is one crazy guy
[05:44:39] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgU__c4NgrM
[05:51:16] <XXCoder> geez. mouse position sensor
[06:03:40] <XXCoder> not bad https://hackaday.com/2016/06/13/review-monoprice-mp-select-mini-3d-printer/
[06:03:41] <SpeedEvil> It is annoying that nearly all of the mice position sensors went away
[06:04:09] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: I wonder if that printer strip can be adopted to router use
[06:04:17] <SpeedEvil> sure
[06:04:17] <XXCoder> put it under the table
[06:04:28] <SpeedEvil> I've considered using M4 rod, instead and capacitive sensing
[06:04:31] <XXCoder> true position data not commanded
[06:04:56] <XXCoder> m4 rod, research
[06:04:58] <XXCoder> *ing
[06:05:18] <XXCoder> looks like standard rod
[06:05:21] <SpeedEvil> yes
[06:05:33] <XXCoder> so you use resistance value eh
[06:05:38] <SpeedEvil> Primarily as I have some, there is likely beter solution.
[06:05:42] <SpeedEvil> no, capacitive.
[06:05:50] <XXCoder> how do that work
[06:06:00] <XXCoder> and whats its resolution
[06:06:47] <SpeedEvil> Measure quadrature values of two comb PCBs applied close to the thread
[06:07:10] <XXCoder> is there a page that explains that?
[06:07:22] <SpeedEvil> Easily a hundredth of a thread
[06:07:45] <SpeedEvil> Probably - I don't know of one though
[06:08:08] <XXCoder> one thread rotation on m6 is I guess 1 mm per rotation
[06:08:21] <XXCoder> it means it can do .001 mm resolution
[06:08:25] <XXCoder> that is pretty good
[06:08:49] <XXCoder> dunno what m4 is on that
[06:09:10] <jthornton> wow that h97m asrock mb is terrible on preempt rt
[06:12:59] <XXCoder> can't find anything yet
[06:13:02] <jthornton> well terrible with debian wheezy and uspace but great with linuxmint and ja14
[06:15:51] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: http://www.ni.com/tutorial/7109/en/
[06:16:00] <XXCoder> thanks. looking.
[06:16:35] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: using the additional point that real outputs are sinusoidal from the measurement in question,and you can also measure rotation if you use ADCs, not binary determination of posiition
[06:17:06] <SpeedEvil> Though the context this was in was a large router, where ~0.5mm precision would have been almost entirely ideal
[06:17:32] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:17:51] <XXCoder> I'm looking for 0.01mm precision
[06:17:59] <XXCoder> or thereabouts anyway
[06:18:23] <XXCoder> I wonder if linuxcnc can accept input with tb6560 as controller
[06:18:30] <XXCoder> probably not lol
[06:18:41] <XXCoder> tb6560 is my first Controller TM ;)
[06:20:18] <XXCoder> good reviews (with few known issues) with that $200 3d printer
[06:20:50] <XXCoder> relly too bad HDPE is too hard to 3d print
[06:21:45] * SpeedEvil really wants to 3d print kittens.
[06:22:51] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/MmTaOvlJMpA
[06:22:56] <XXCoder> cheese kittens
[06:23:38] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/CrmJNum
[06:23:46] <SpeedEvil> err
[06:24:00] <SpeedEvil> https://www.theseus.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/86198/Thesis%20final.pdf?sequenc rather
[06:24:09] <SpeedEvil> - on printing using recycled HDPE
[06:24:20] <XXCoder> is it that boat one?
[06:24:30] <XXCoder> there is some 3d print stuff related to HDPE but most cant
[06:25:28] <XXCoder> lol that cheeze orinter "extruder" keeps slipping off
[06:26:33] <SpeedEvil> ah - he just made filliment
[06:26:36] <SpeedEvil> from recycled
[06:27:23] <XXCoder> "Generally, HDPE is considered exceptional because of its impact strength relative to other
[06:27:23] <XXCoder> thermoplastics (one of the best impact resistance thermoplastic) and has an excellent
[06:27:23] <XXCoder> machinability."
[06:27:59] <XXCoder> soylent bottles is HDPE too apparently
[06:28:13] <XXCoder> in least the bottle itself. its covering is 7
[06:28:16] <XXCoder> "other"
[06:28:27] <archivist> SpeedEvil, I would not use threaded rod, its pitch is somewhat off from any measurement standard
[06:28:44] <XXCoder> archivist: regrind it or lathe iot
[06:28:45] <XXCoder> ?
[06:28:45] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes, absolute pitch is unimportant in this case
[06:29:11] <SpeedEvil> Pitch variance is more important, and though in principle that can be calibrated out...
[06:29:49] <archivist> pitch variance is about as random of the bit of rolled thread I have measured
[06:30:12] <XXCoder> "The filament was successfully extruded at an average rate of 90 mm/min and used to print parts." HDPE printing
[06:30:52] <SpeedEvil> oh
[06:31:33] <archivist> a capacitive comb averages some of that out
[06:32:53] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: good read so far on HDPE printing
[06:33:20] <archivist> ball bearings in a tube should be within an amateurs ability
[06:33:24] <lair82> jthornton, that sounds like the mb I am using, I had to update the OS to get it to run right with good numbers.
[06:33:40] <lair82> I am running wheezy on it,
[06:34:40] <jthornton> what did you have to do to update the OS?
[06:34:48] <lair82> Here is what I did, http://freeby.mesanet.com/makert4.1.13
[06:35:12] <archivist> SpeedEvil, http://www.newall.co.uk/technology/
[06:35:18] <jthornton> thanks
[06:37:01] <jthornton> lair82: I did get auto login and file sharing fixed on wheezy
[06:37:06] <SpeedEvil> archivist: interesting
[06:37:27] <lair82> Also, I had to add this to grub if I remember correctly, "sudo ethtool -C ethN rx-usecs 0" with the "N" specifying what ethernet port you are using for the 7i80 or what ever card you are using
[06:38:17] <lair82> I will have to go through my notes on the ethtool command to make sure what file I added that to,
[06:38:33] <jthornton> I just manually configured the fixed ip for the ethernet port
[06:39:44] <lair82> I did find a workaround a while ago on the auto login, and as for the file sharing, I found that I had to enable the permissions and sharing for every directory that dealt with the folder I was trying to share.
[06:41:33] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17428978/
[06:41:39] <jthornton> my notes on debian
[06:42:24] <jthornton> I set up the home directory so every one under that is shared and drag and drop works from everywhere on my lan
[06:42:58] <jthornton> time to put the new tire on the hoe and start digging with my $600 new tire
[06:43:48] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-MP-Select-Mini-Printer/dp/B01FL49VZE interesting
[07:51:21] <_methods> heh got a dynasty 200 for $860
[07:52:36] <CaptHindsight> _methods: know any US suppliers that stock co2 laser galvos (complete heads, no laser)?
[07:53:58] <_methods> no i do not
[07:54:15] <_methods> i have a buddy who might
[07:54:18] <_methods> i'll ask him
[07:54:53] <CaptHindsight> most have zillion week lead times
[07:55:31] <Deejay> re
[07:56:37] <CaptHindsight> _methods: for example http://www.camtech.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=85
[07:57:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.camtech.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&Itemid=170
[08:02:22] <_methods> yeah he's all into laser light show stuff and galvos if anyone knows he will
[08:02:55] <CaptHindsight> the diff between the light show stuff and the marking stuff is the power rating of the mirrors
[08:04:32] <_methods> i personally don't know any suppliers
[08:04:41] <_methods> i deal mainly with cutting lasers
[08:07:33] <CaptHindsight> the power level here is plastic melting, metal marking
[08:07:33] <_methods> and we pretty much exclusively deal with II-VI
[08:07:46] <_methods> for all optics
[08:08:33] <_methods> besides, cheap and laser are not two words you often hear together lol
[08:08:59] <_methods> if you do it's usually shortly followed by the words fire
[08:09:03] <CaptHindsight> I'm finding that it's another racket
[08:09:04] <_methods> hahah
[08:09:11] <_methods> definitelly
[08:09:13] <XXCoder> cheap, good, powerful. choose 2. if from chinese, choices is "cheap"
[08:09:37] <_methods> if you want to charge 1000x more just add the word laser to your product
[08:09:46] <XXCoder> laser condoms
[08:09:47] <CaptHindsight> the Chinese team of 1000 monkeys haven't figured it out yet
[08:10:21] <_methods> there are some fairly strict itar and ear regulations imposed on a lot of laser stuff
[08:10:45] <XXCoder> laser endmill
[08:10:51] <CaptHindsight> high power mirrors on a cheap galvo should have a large profit margin
[08:11:31] <_methods> all of our "mirrors" are 2-3" thick slabs of copper lol
[08:11:35] <_methods> water cooled
[08:12:13] <XXCoder> laser cooled laser mirrors
[08:12:46] <CaptHindsight> kinda tough when the laser wavelength is heat
[08:13:06] <XXCoder> there is such thing as laser cooling actually
[08:13:22] <XXCoder> just not at "warm" scale, only ultracold
[08:13:43] <CaptHindsight> and the discussion goes to a tangent
[08:14:01] <CaptHindsight> only took 20 minutes
[08:14:03] <XXCoder> it always does. though it also ends as I'm going to bed heh
[08:14:17] <XXCoder> unless you guys care to discess laser micrometer
[08:14:56] <CaptHindsight> I once knew a guy that heard from somebody that a laser is dangerous ...
[08:15:07] <CaptHindsight> he dropped it on his foot
[08:15:10] <XXCoder> night all heh
[08:18:48] <CaptHindsight> somehow the price of a $2-5K galvo and $1K lens turns into $15-20K when mounted
[08:19:56] <CaptHindsight> I guess that's why I have a mill
[08:48:56] * tiwake pokes _methods
[08:50:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15841&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- so eionen screenshot meinte ich
[08:50:47] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, wrong channel
[08:51:25] <tiwake> windows :-/
[08:51:50] <Loetmichel> tiwake: only as reciver for the webcam and the VNC from the linuxCNC machine ;)
[08:52:08] <Loetmichel> its quiter in the office than in the workshop
[08:52:26] <Loetmichel> AND i can do some administration work or soldering while the machine runs ;)
[08:53:21] <Loetmichel> or some gaming: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15889&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:54:16] <Loetmichel> <- lazy fuck ;)
[08:54:29] <Loetmichel> works well tho.
[08:54:31] <tiwake> work hard to be lazy
[08:54:46] <tiwake> I set up VNC once
[08:54:55] <tiwake> lost my job because of that
[08:55:24] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
[08:55:29] <Loetmichel> how that?
[08:55:42] <tiwake> set it up and the guy who I was going to replace ended up staying and just doing everything remotely
[08:56:47] <tiwake> lamers
[08:58:11] <Polymorphism> lol
[08:58:14] <Polymorphism> brutal
[08:59:29] <tiwake> anyone happen to know anyone who needs a good machinist in texas?
[09:03:31] <pcw_home> jthornton the ASRock h97 can be quite good:
[09:03:32] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
[09:03:38] <mozmck> tiwake: where are you?
[09:04:00] <tiwake> mozmck: oregon
[09:04:14] <mozmck> so you want to move to tx?
[09:04:18] <tiwake> jep
[09:04:56] <mozmck> I see. Don't currently know of someone looking for a machinist, but I know some machine shops. (north tx)
[09:05:04] <tiwake> not too picky... other than maybe an area that does not do emission testing for cars
[09:05:11] <tiwake> kinda eyeballing lubbock
[09:05:32] <mozmck> heh! don't have emission testing here - grayson county
[09:06:05] <tiwake> no emission testing rules out the three largest city areas, thats all
[09:06:33] <tiwake> dallas/fort-worth, houstin, and austin
[09:07:09] <mozmck> yep. don't have to get too far out to be out of it either.
[09:08:16] <tiwake> but I was thinking more northwest areas cause I don't like too humid
[09:08:37] <tiwake> I don't mind hot or cold, humid is the more annoying thing
[09:09:48] <tiwake> but I don't really do stuff outside very much anyway, so even that does not matter too much
[09:09:57] <tiwake> :P
[09:11:28] <tiwake> mozmck: any thoughts?
[09:21:21] <jdh> lack of emission testing seems like a pretty lame way to pick a place to live
[09:21:43] <gregcnc> very common if you like to build cars
[09:22:32] <tiwake> I have a V6 mustang converted to a V8, it is what I will be taking to texas and it certainly won't pass emissions
[09:24:46] <tiwake> and there are other car projects I wish to endeavor upon at a later date
[09:27:37] <jdh> you mean, if you like to pollute the environment and condemn the future to a hacking wheezing global warming slow painful death
[09:27:54] <tiwake> heh
[09:28:05] <jdh> all it takes is one mustang to destroy the earth
[09:29:03] <tiwake> hydrocarbons are from dead stuff, are you condemning everything for having a life cycle?
[09:29:24] <jdh> no. just you!
[09:29:29] <mozmck> Humidity is not too bad in this area generally. Further west is less humid for sure - but I kind of like more trees.
[09:31:23] <tiwake> jdh: start a campaign to get everyone to stop breathing all at the same time. Now go! make a difference in the world!
[09:33:15] <tiwake> mozmck: donno, I'm not against that general area in general... I just don't know where to look (going to PM you)
[09:50:30] <root-x> Now exists some polution prenvents like Ad-Blue and particle filters for reduce the emissions.
[09:51:24] <root-x> Their install in the exaust pipe
[09:51:27] <Polymorphism> just dont buy asus
[09:51:29] <Polymorphism> they are shit
[09:52:38] <root-x> Polymorphism shit is a very long world XD
[09:53:03] <root-x> word
[09:53:11] <Polymorphism> I had asus motherboard die in a month, then I had to fight with them for hours on the phone to get them to repair it
[09:53:18] <Polymorphism> I paid to ship it to them, waited 2 months
[09:53:21] <Polymorphism> they shipped it back still broken
[09:53:27] <Polymorphism> Gotta love Asus
[09:53:59] <Polymorphism> shit is the most accurate word I can think of to describe that company
[10:03:17] <root-x> Oh man, my PC for 3D design have now 12 years old. You can change to MSI... their have good hardware for overclock etc...
[10:15:23] <Polymorphism> I tried asrock and its been solid
[10:17:32] <plpower> hi
[10:18:12] <plpower> PCW_ today alll clear not a single eror
[10:18:38] <Polymorphism> nicely done
[10:19:41] <plpower> Question is this channel log some where so i can see if someone answers in the night
[10:20:00] <gregcnc> zlog
[10:20:08] <plpower> is there a channel log eng. is to be worked about
[10:21:36] <plpower> whow almost every min a post
[10:22:15] <plpower> XXCoder: the new tb6600 are a miracle wonder in price and performence
[10:22:54] <plpower> i made almost 50 printer out of it and a view papercutters
[10:23:24] <Polymorphism> those are so cheap
[10:23:31] <Polymorphism> I blew a lot of money on leadhsine 4660
[10:23:37] <Polymorphism> so I hope at least it works perfectly =D
[10:23:50] <plpower> the 0.01 you are looking for is no problem on them as far as under 3600mm/min
[10:24:05] <Polymorphism> fairly low volume so I don't need much speed
[10:24:38] <plpower> Polymorphism: i ordert a full cnc 3axis below 100euros electronic and frame
[10:24:53] <Polymorphism> plpower, show me where
[10:25:00] <Polymorphism> I'll buy one today just because
[10:25:02] <Polymorphism> =D
[10:25:06] <Polymorphism> brand new??
[10:25:18] <plpower> no in parts not mounted
[10:25:22] <Polymorphism> OH ok
[10:25:28] <Polymorphism> yeah I could see that, depending on the parts
[10:25:52] <plpower> here maximilian uses leadshine also
[10:26:12] <Polymorphism> they work well for them?
[10:26:16] <plpower> let me grab a order from the past
[10:26:32] <Polymorphism> I went with leadshine because I got a decent price on it, and it was all in one
[10:26:50] <Polymorphism> I wasn't going to buy it because it was all in one, until I looked online and found out the drives can all be replaced individually with just a couple screws
[10:26:57] <Polymorphism> so no real disadvantage except perhaps heat
[10:27:01] <Polymorphism> which I'm sure they have figured out
[10:27:06] <Polymorphism> as long as I don't box it up tight
[10:27:14] <Polymorphism> I will have cooling fan on the electronics enclosure
[10:28:50] <plpower> last order from guandong 17Euros 125cny
[10:29:00] <plpower> vertion 57
[10:29:12] <plpower> version
[10:29:17] <Polymorphism> guandong lol
[10:29:20] <Polymorphism> china?
[10:29:26] <plpower> ofcause
[10:29:26] <Polymorphism> the prices are just crazy
[10:29:43] <plpower> and the 24V BOB is 6euros
[10:30:25] <Polymorphism> I may build a 2nd cnc now that I have one
[10:30:26] <plpower> the tb6600 are half the price
[10:30:36] <Polymorphism> tb6600 I've heard really good things
[10:31:26] <plpower> 36V only but the power-unit at that voltage is 8euros at 5A
[10:32:25] <plpower> that can run 3axis on a small PU
[10:33:00] <Polymorphism> more than enough
[10:33:05] <plpower> the 1605 are damm cheep so 2Nm steppers at 10Euros
[10:33:28] <Polymorphism> and the frame?
[10:33:33] <Polymorphism> the rest seems clear cut
[10:33:41] <plpower> construction alu
[10:34:06] <plpower> i got nearby deliver that holds rest pices below 80cm
[10:34:17] <plpower> at 1 euro etch
[10:34:47] <Polymorphism> wow
[10:36:36] <plpower> here in shop area are 3 supplyers for the alu profiles
[10:36:46] <plpower> and 50km to go for tbr
[10:37:15] <plpower> as coustom is big issue from china on this
[10:38:03] <plpower> Polymorphism: http://www.fabbmatic.com/Produkte/Seite-/-Kategorie
[10:39:04] <plpower> Polymorphism: full cnc at 200Euros http://www.fabbmatic.com/epages/64015207.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/64015207/Products/4250848814024
[10:39:46] <Polymorphism> no electronics or spindle, not sure how good a deal that is compared to some options
[10:39:51] <Polymorphism> its not bad though
[10:40:03] <plpower> its cheese but for miniature scales cool stuff
[10:40:22] <plpower> with a Kress and adaptiv NC it works on ALU
[10:41:13] <plpower> tested on 8mm depth and 0.5mm cut at 100mm/min
[10:42:57] <Polymorphism> not bad at all
[10:43:26] <plpower> it will last 1 job but after it may be a othere mashine
[10:43:47] <plpower> Polymorphism: what CNC you got
[10:46:51] <Polymorphism> xzero raptor, I'm still building it
[10:47:00] <Polymorphism> just got some parts I needed yesterday
[10:48:22] <Polymorphism> gotta go for a bit, bbl
[10:59:15] <bearer> trying to run keystick on a (soon to be) headless machine and axis remotely. but remote axis fails. i see server also starting axis manual toolchange even is using display = keystick.
[10:59:43] <bearer> will it help to change the toolchange stuff, and if so, suggestion on where to go looking?
[11:01:24] <bearer> axis start up, shows interface and dies saying "HAL: ERROR: duplicate component name 'axisui'"
[11:02:35] <plpower> can you post the full error
[11:02:56] <bearer> sure
[11:02:57] <bearer> HAL: ERROR: duplicate component name 'axisui' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/axis", line 3227, in <module> comp = hal.component("axisui") hal.error: Invalid argument
[11:03:42] <_methods> what is keystick?
[11:04:04] <bearer> textbased "gui" for headless machines
[11:04:32] <_methods> oh
[11:04:34] <bearer> i gather I can only run one instance of axis, so changing the local one to keystick
[11:04:41] <_methods> damn i didn't even know that existed
[11:04:54] <_methods> hell that's awesome
[11:06:00] <plpower> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/keystick.html
[11:06:59] <plpower> bearer: did you look into the hal of the mashine
[11:07:34] <plpower> in display area only DISPLAY = keystick is in
[11:07:44] <plpower> no axis gmocapy or ..
[11:08:07] <bearer> plpower: i couldn't find any mention of axisui in my hal, and it ran axis over ssh before I tried running keystick + axis
[11:08:49] <plpower> that seams the case as ko file isent unloaded on keystick
[11:08:49] <bearer> yeah, only one DISPLAY line, and it says keystick. then i run axis --ini ... to start axis remotely over ssh
[11:09:23] <bearer> plpower: ah, I'll reboot the machine and try on a fresh start! (and kick myself for not trying that first)
[11:10:04] <plpower> give it a try
[11:13:53] <plpower> ok worday is off im off GN8 from Germany
[11:23:49] <bearer> plpower: that changed something, added absolute paths to other .hal and .xml files and hey presto! start a job in axis, and it keeps running in keystick if I closed axis. Cheers!
[11:58:01] <roycroft> folks, i need to ask about something potentially scary
[11:58:13] <roycroft> for this project i'm working on i need to machine some arc slots in mild steel
[11:58:23] <roycroft> the problem is i don't have a rotary table, and can't afford one right now
[11:59:04] <archivist> linuxcnc does arcs, what is so scary
[11:59:07] <roycroft> i need a hole in the center of the arc already, and i'm thinking of mounting the piece on some blocks through a bolt that goes through that hold
[11:59:12] <roycroft> i don't have a cnc mill
[11:59:22] <archivist> file!
[11:59:39] <roycroft> i'm thinking about plunge milling the ends of the arcs
[11:59:47] <gregcnc> find coordinates to make rough cur in the mill then file
[11:59:52] <gregcnc> cut
[12:00:03] <roycroft> and rotating the work by hand, taking extremely light passes
[12:00:12] <roycroft> but that really scares me
[12:00:15] <roycroft> which i think it should
[12:00:37] <gregcnc> take video
[12:00:46] <archivist> we used a saw to cut to the line when crossing out wheels, then file to finish
[12:00:49] <roycroft> there's already too much blood and gore on the internet
[12:01:13] <roycroft> i would prefer not to expend the time it would take to file, but that is probably the safer approach
[12:01:38] <roycroft> i could clamp, plunge mill, unclamp, rotate slightly, clamp, etc.
[12:01:41] <roycroft> and then file it smooth
[12:01:51] <gregcnc> that too
[12:02:03] <roycroft> that would spoil your entertainment though
[12:02:16] <gregcnc> do it the safe way
[12:02:24] <gregcnc> even if it takes forever
[12:02:53] <roycroft> is a rotary table really the only safe way to do it while moving the part when the mill is on?
[12:03:11] <roycroft> are there other clever jigs for holding it reasonably that one could come up with?
[12:03:17] <archivist> the saw and file method is not hard
[12:03:23] <roycroft> no, it's not hard
[12:03:25] <roycroft> it's time consuming
[12:03:40] <archivist> time is free
[12:03:41] <roycroft> one of the pieces will be 12mm/0.5" plate
[12:04:09] <archivist> get a rotary then
[12:04:26] <gregcnc> time is the only thing we can't make more of
[12:04:30] <roycroft> cash is tight
[12:04:38] <roycroft> but i did look into a rotary table
[12:04:50] <roycroft> unfortuantely i can't really handle a large one on my little mill
[12:04:52] <archivist> I understand no cash better than most
[12:05:00] <roycroft> i found a 5" one that would be perfect, but it's out of stock
[12:05:12] <roycroft> 4" seems too small to be useful
[12:05:20] <roycroft> 6" would be a bit large for my mill
[12:05:24] <archivist> I hang the rotary off the side, much larger arcs possible then
[12:06:15] <roycroft> i was not looking to be talked into freehanding it on the mill
[12:06:17] <archivist> use a plate to "extend" the table
[12:06:41] <roycroft> i was figuring i would be talked out of it, and wasn't seriously entertaining the idea in the first place
[12:06:49] <roycroft> i'm pretty good at knowing what is scary
[12:07:04] <roycroft> so thanks, i think you've confirmed that it's a bad idea
[12:08:04] <archivist> here I was working on steel there is a rotary under the xy http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_12_10_Ed_Tower_clock/P1010112.JPG
[12:08:20] <roycroft> filing can be rather zen, so i should probably just clear my mind and become one with my part :)
[12:09:34] <roycroft> in the meantime i'll work on other parts, and mayhap that 5" rotary table will become available before i get to the arc slots
[12:10:13] <archivist> this was another made on the manual mill http://gears.archivist.info/gears/P1010013_335.JPG
[12:10:41] <archivist> replacement for http://gears.archivist.info/gears/P1010008_400.JPG
[12:11:23] <roycroft> nice
[12:12:27] <archivist> the really nice thing about that mill is the stack of axes, X bottom then rotary then another X and Y
[12:13:00] <archivist> which means easy offsets for the straight spokes
[12:13:12] <roycroft> i've seen setups like that before
[12:14:09] <archivist> I have used an old worm speed reducer as a cheap rotary
[12:15:44] <roycroft> the 5" rotary i'm looking at can be mounted horizontally and vertically, comes with a chuck, dividing plates, and tailstock
[12:15:56] * SpeedEvil idly wonders about threading a tap on a threaded rod, welding carefully to the proper length a loop, running the tap down and then cutting the tap off.
[12:15:57] <roycroft> and it's <$300
[12:16:09] <roycroft> so probably not very precise, but good enough for a lot of work
[12:16:36] <archivist> should be able to find something cheaper
[12:17:02] <gregcnc> endless threaded rod?
[12:17:28] <archivist> I think he means die
[12:17:41] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: yes
[12:17:51] <SpeedEvil> err
[12:17:55] <SpeedEvil> and yes, I mean die
[12:18:00] * SpeedEvil needs more or less coffee.
[12:18:15] <roycroft> http://www.grizzly.com/products/5-Rotary-Table/T25937?utm_campaign=zPage
[12:18:19] <roycroft> that's the thing
[12:18:55] <roycroft> for a mini-mill it's the perfect size
[12:19:39] <roycroft> i'd rather have a collet holder than a chuck
[12:20:09] <roycroft> but that setup would be an improvement over what i have now
[12:23:08] <archivist> roycroft, and when things dont fit on the table, a plate http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1249.JPG
[12:29:15] <roycroft> i sometimes wish i had the shop space for bigger machinery
[12:29:34] <roycroft> but then i realise that if i did i would start collecting machinery that i can't afford and don't need
[12:29:49] <roycroft> but that would still be heaps of fun to have
[12:33:57] <archivist> and if too heavy for the table overhead crane http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=milling+statfold
[12:39:38] <bearer> huh, with keystick running locally and axis remotely, my g54/relative coords breaks. Normally I jog to x0, y0, and z0, press END and zero all three axis. As I do I see the gcode in the preview move accordingly. Now I get a turquoise vector between my zero'ed position and the origin in the gcode
[12:41:02] <bearer> and trying to run the code, I get an error saying it would run outside my limits. having absolute or relative coords in keystick seems to make no difference
[12:59:40] <CaptHindsight> _methods: maybe I'll go into the laser marking business, every supplier I have checked with makes $12-17K for mounting a laser to a scan head and lens
[13:06:45] <_methods> yeah my buddy didn't know anything about marking heads
[13:06:50] <_methods> just the galvo heads for laser light shows
[13:07:16] <_methods> plenty from alibaba land
[13:25:55] <CaptHindsight> a dozen a dime
[13:26:22] <CaptHindsight> everyone has about the same pricing and 4-8 week lead time
[13:26:45] <CaptHindsight> even the ones that say they stock $2M in inventory
[13:37:27] <yasnak> who have you talked to?
[13:38:03] <roycroft> i will sell you a "laser"
[13:38:04] <yasnak> oh, nevermind.
[13:38:07] <roycroft> for ONE MILLION DOLLARS
[13:38:33] <yasnak> lasers are such a rip, our first one was a CLC. Control Laser. Bublys or whatever
[13:38:55] <yasnak> 30K for a diy box and laser head with crappy GUI software and a basic acer computer
[13:39:06] <CaptHindsight> yasnak: who have I talked to for what specifically?
[13:39:15] <yasnak> sorry, I thought you were looking for a laser. my bad.
[13:39:45] <CaptHindsight> just mainly the 2axis galvo setup and lenses
[13:40:11] <mikeh00> think a 10" screen would be too small for gmoccapy?
[13:43:50] <CaptHindsight> yasnak: I've gotten some quotes >$40K for a crappy system you describe
[13:44:46] <CaptHindsight> winders GUI software with no way to integrate it into a multi axis platform
[13:45:11] <CaptHindsight> since there's no source and now way to synch motion to the motion of the galvo
[14:02:46] <yasnak> Yeah, actually CLC had the exact same F20 for sale for like 18K
[14:03:18] <yasnak> Fairly nice except that the 8" FOV lens doesn't work well if you're trying to do anneal type lases vs actual material removal lases
[14:04:07] <yasnak> Anything above basic complexity you had to code by hand, the GUI had issues randomly throwing errors IN THE LASE on parts haha
[15:54:40] <Simonious> Anybody 3D printed with alumina?
[15:57:14] <SpeedEvil> Simonious: I plan to
[15:57:18] <SpeedEvil> but not yet
[15:57:26] <SpeedEvil> See: http://imgur.com/gallery/VBi5j
[15:57:30] <SpeedEvil> err - not that
[15:58:08] <SpeedEvil> http://fehu.whitequark.org/files/Documentation/Ceramics/A%20new%20direct%20coagulation%20casting%20process%20for%20alumina%20slurries.pdf
[16:09:25] <andypugh> Right, so the Glue-gun equivalent of a potters wheel? It’s so obvious when you see it.
[16:10:05] <andypugh> And we have known you can make solid, engineering, parts that way for, ooh, about 20,000 years.
[16:34:04] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:32] <XXCoder> so dang tempted to buy https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-MP-Select-Mini-Printer/dp/B01FL49VZE
[16:34:35] <XXCoder> but dunno lol
[16:56:02] <andypugh> It’s cute and it’s free :-)
[16:56:19] <roycroft> a kitten?
[16:56:53] <roycroft> kittens don't stay free
[16:56:58] <roycroft> when they grow up they enslave you
[16:57:19] <andypugh> I think I will be making a 3D printer soon. Probably GG and sized specifically to make foundry patterns of 1908 engines.
[16:58:00] <roycroft> i have a chicken and egg problem
[16:58:07] <roycroft> i'm out of room in my shops for more machinery
[16:58:15] <roycroft> i could make a 3d printer and print an extension
[16:58:26] <roycroft> but i need the extension before i have room for the 3d printer
[16:58:45] <roycroft> or i need a printer shed
[16:59:46] <XXCoder> you have cnc machine? I wonder if it can be adopted to print
[16:59:54] <XXCoder> just make print "head"
[17:00:02] <roycroft> i do not have any cnc machines at this point, if that was directed at me
[17:00:07] <roycroft> i have some components
[17:00:14] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[17:00:22] <Erant> andypugh: Wax printer?
[17:00:23] <andypugh> XXCoder: My mill is too small for the parts in question.
[17:00:25] <XXCoder> I have bunch of parts I'm wondering what to do with too
[17:00:38] <roycroft> perhaps i could build a teeny tiny 3d printer
[17:01:02] <roycroft> use it to print parts for a bigger printer, and build enough of a printer shed to house the slightly bigger printer
[17:01:19] <roycroft> than use that printer to build a bigger printer and enlarge the shed
[17:01:19] <roycroft> etc.
[17:01:58] <andypugh> XXCoder: Here is the problem I am trying to solve for a friend of mine: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13636-1908-Dennis-Truck&p=450819#post450819
[17:02:51] <XXCoder> interesting
[17:03:15] <andypugh> The core-boxes are the interesting part.
[17:03:46] <andypugh> You need cores for the ports, combustion chamber and water jacket, and they all interlock.
[17:05:36] <roycroft> would you be building a printer that fuses metal powder, andypugh?
[17:06:36] <andypugh> No, I am thnking GGG shells then back-filling with 2-part foam,
[17:07:18] <andypugh> The point it is to make patterns for the foundry, to make maybe 10 castings.
[17:07:43] <Duc_mobile> I must be a boring person or something since Im tired of smelling weed in my hotel room in vegas
[17:08:39] <roycroft> i see
[17:09:12] <roycroft> i thought you were going to print the parts themselves
[17:09:21] <roycroft> dmls seems like an interesting technology
[17:09:39] <roycroft> but it's probably wicked expensive to build a good quality dmls printer
[17:09:59] <roycroft> cheaper to build a printer that makes patterns and cast the parts
[17:10:25] <Polymorphism> XXCoder, the maker select v2 better
[17:10:29] <Polymorphism> pennies more
[17:10:39] <XXCoder> ok will look into it
[17:11:26] <Polymorphism> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13860
[17:11:27] <Polymorphism> bbl
[17:11:40] <Polymorphism> looks like its a bit too good, out of stock again
[17:12:07] <XXCoder> its $100 more
[17:12:52] <Polymorphism> 12,900 pennies more, yes
[17:13:00] <Polymorphism> probably worth it depending on what you're going to use it for
[17:13:11] <XXCoder> likely just play around actually
[17:13:43] <neckro23> monoprice sells 3d printers now? wtf
[17:13:54] <Polymorphism> its a rebranded wanhoa duplicator i3
[17:13:54] <Polymorphism> but yes
[17:13:59] <neckro23> that's the second time TODAY I've gone "wtf" at a Monoprice offering (first time was MIDI controllers)
[17:14:05] <Polymorphism> the one thing to note xxcoder is the small build area on that mahcine you linked
[17:14:20] <Polymorphism> plus I can't speak to its quality. the wanhao i3 and the monoprice clone is very well reviewed
[17:14:22] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:14:41] <Polymorphism> there is sort of a 3d printing channel here too if you donty already know
[17:14:42] <Polymorphism> #reprap
[17:14:46] <Polymorphism> but they prefer diy
[17:14:49] <Polymorphism> still good info in there
[17:15:40] <neckro23> I still have to figure out how to turn my existing CNC into a 3d printing thing
[17:15:59] <Duc_mobile> you might not have the speed required on the cnc
[17:16:18] <XXCoder> whats speed cnc need to be at for printing
[17:16:21] <Polymorphism> this is an area highly relevant to my interests
[17:16:28] <Polymorphism> I was considering a 3d printing mod for my cnc
[17:16:48] <Erant> Eh, I 'unno. I can run mine at 100IPM+, which is faster than I remember most 3D printers being.
[17:16:56] <neckro23> hm, I wonder what the min speed is
[17:17:12] <Duc_mobile> most 3d printers have a fast acceleration
[17:17:21] <Polymorphism> bridging etc
[17:17:25] <neckro23> yeah mine runs pretty fast too. like at least a few hundred ipm iirc.
[17:17:30] <Polymorphism> infill
[17:17:33] <Polymorphism> fast operations
[17:17:52] <neckro23> hm, that's a good point... probably lighter is better for that stuff
[17:20:36] <Duc_mobile> watch some of the videos on youtube to show the speeds
[17:20:42] <andypugh> From where I am, printing patterns for conventional casting looks like the way to go. It would be days of printing, and expensive, but then every part is about £50 and 20 minutes.
[17:20:55] <andypugh> And, is made od actual cast irion.
[17:21:13] <Erant> andypugh: What would you print it in? PLA?
[17:21:14] <XXCoder> andypugh: then left outside for few years to anneal?
[17:21:15] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: have you looked at making your own machinable wax then pouring a cast
[17:21:39] <XXCoder> Duc_mobile: I did look into it. awesome, though creation part is little bit dangerous
[17:21:54] <Duc_mobile> use a slow cooker outside
[17:22:09] <Duc_mobile> or crock pot. its actually not to bad
[17:22:22] <andypugh> The point is to have a re-uasble pattern for conventional sand casting.
[17:22:39] <andypugh> This is a 1908 truck.
[17:23:11] <andypugh> (and will be possibly the oldest ruck in the world when finished)
[17:23:13] <Duc_mobile> what about machine a wood form
[17:23:17] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpXq6mnbCus
[17:23:21] <XXCoder> I wanna try this
[17:23:51] <XXCoder> Duc_mobile: yeah then finish it, paint very strong paint and its nice and smooth, perfect for making sand cast hollows
[17:23:58] <XXCoder> myfordboy does that
[17:24:22] <Duc_mobile> I need to build some wax when I get home from vegas
[17:24:57] <XXCoder> I do wonder if I really need to bother cutting plastic into tiny peices
[17:25:02] <XXCoder> that guy didn't.
[17:25:55] <nos> Fibers have their strengths. :D
[17:26:34] <Duc_mobile> Im lazy I can wait for the lids to melt
[17:27:28] <andypugh> I do have a huge collection of HDPE for just that reason. (most of my kitche cupboards are rammed full of plastic bags). I just haven’t got round to it yet
[17:27:49] <XXCoder> if I recall store bags is LDPE
[17:28:15] <andypugh> I have CNC -machined stacks of MDF. But there is still a lot of sanding and fettling.
[17:28:58] <andypugh> I am trying to find something that is less effort than this: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Holbrook03%20Pattern%20Making
[17:29:43] <andypugh> That was basically 3 weeks of evenings of machining. It would be less with a spindle faster than 1000 rpm, I suppose.
[17:30:12] <XXCoder> though there is upper limit lol
[17:30:18] <XXCoder> my machine 27000 is just too fast
[17:30:34] <Duc_mobile> 3d printed plastics suck for large forms unless you really know what your doing
[17:31:21] <XXCoder> HMM guy is using blender to shred HDPE. not bad idea
[17:33:13] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR6_bQLU-E
[17:35:04] <andypugh> I can’t decide if that Art of Weapons person is a boy or a girl. Not that it matters, but it’s an unusual voice.
[17:35:23] <XXCoder> maybe that person is an alien
[17:35:26] <andypugh> Sounds English, though.
[17:35:35] <XXCoder> English-born alien
[17:36:12] <XXCoder> if there is ever aliens we would have legalse oddity, there would be alien native born, alien alien
[17:36:12] <andypugh> The way they say “but” is Northern English.
[17:36:42] <Duc_mobile> I wonder how bad that smells in the house
[17:36:55] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: Im wondering if its a young kid doing the video
[17:37:09] <andypugh> Fairly young, I reckon.
[17:38:26] <Duc_mobile> maybe be hard to tell male or female then
[17:39:22] <andypugh> LOL “Avoiding the awkwardly placed dog”
[17:42:41] <andypugh> I reckon super-smart boy kid with very understanding mum.
[17:43:52] <Duc_mobile> probably "it" could be doing much worse thing with their time
[17:43:59] <andypugh> Actually, at 10:40 you can see them.
[17:44:16] <Duc_mobile> male or female kid?
[17:44:23] <andypugh> Boy
[17:44:48] <andypugh> And Wickes sandpaper == UK
[17:46:08] <Duc_mobile> I need to find a new project to work on
[17:46:53] <Duc_mobile> wish Rockwell didnt charge 10 grand for the programming software
[17:47:22] <XXCoder> what type of project
[17:47:51] <Duc_mobile> no clue something automated probably
[17:48:19] <andypugh> Snake-bot
[17:48:26] <Duc_mobile> whats that
[17:48:49] <andypugh> A serial array of Stewart Platforms
[17:50:13] <Duc_mobile> interesting. Still trying to figure out if I want to build the turrent platform on wheels
[17:50:54] <Duc_mobile> but cant find a good use for it
[17:53:25] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: forgot to mention that I got the motor working for the cold saw and wired up correctly
[17:54:58] <andypugh> Grand
[18:06:02] <CaptHindsight> "there's a penguin on the tele"
[18:12:36] <Jymmm> and a banana on the moon
[18:12:58] <XXCoder> and no cheese
[18:13:00] <andypugh> fruit flies like a banana
[18:13:01] <CaptHindsight> whasssaappppiinning Jymmm?
[18:13:09] <XXCoder> thats why we havent back for years. diappointment
[18:13:15] <CaptHindsight> get all yer critters killed?
[18:13:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: SSDD, what it be like!?
[18:14:26] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: did you get a megablaster supersoaker squirt gun or?? filled with bug juice
[18:15:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Kinda, the sprayer I got shoots about 20ft stream if you REALLY pump it up
[18:15:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But... Ifound the source of those bastards!
[18:15:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: they were crawling up a down spout
[18:16:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: the nest is no more
[18:16:42] <XXCoder> make woodgears wasp vacuum
[18:16:48] <CaptHindsight> was picturing your kitchen to look like this http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/men-in-black/images/5/50/Aliens.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/590?cb=20110514194136
[18:17:09] <andypugh> I was going to suggest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qagA4_eVQ but it’s entirely caption-free
[18:17:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that would have been cool, excet for the cops showing up
[18:18:12] <XXCoder> andypugh: I loved that show, too bad fire "killed" those charactors
[18:18:48] <andypugh> Wallace is basically my dad
[18:19:09] <andypugh> (well, my dad before his brain broke)
[18:19:11] <CaptHindsight> wow forgot about Wallace and Gromit, how long has it been since their first film 25+ years?
[18:19:41] <XXCoder> been a while
[18:19:55] <XXCoder> there will never be any more though
[18:20:29] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Grand_Day_Out 1989
[18:20:43] <CaptHindsight> my kids were little
[18:21:07] <CaptHindsight> must have been VHS tapes we got
[18:21:15] <XXCoder> I was 13 then
[18:21:26] <XXCoder> 27 years
[18:22:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4cWBiLuo0
[18:23:22] <XXCoder> ah yes Oct 2005 was when fire destroyed stages and charactors
[18:24:05] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: bug vs bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXo2Zdhh7m0
[18:24:31] <XXCoder> red green lol did saw some shows on that
[18:24:45] <XXCoder> I still remember that hack that turned car into variable length whellbase car
[18:25:00] <XXCoder> "confort of long base tight turning radius of short base"
[18:25:02] <XXCoder> lol
[18:27:58] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/ORxw547fLDI?t=420
[18:32:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Guess what I found last summer making a nest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQNgxJdqzm4
[18:40:55] <andypugh> I really don’t know what wasps are for. Nasty things.
[18:42:13] <XXCoder> protecting plants from other bugs
[18:42:19] <malcom2073> andypugh: http://img.memecdn.com/This-is-a-wasp_o_47234.jpg
[18:43:38] <andypugh> It’s the laying an egg in a paralysed victim thing that I don’t like. That’s just mean.
[18:45:18] <malcom2073> That's only one kind of wasp, the rest haven't learned that trick yet
[18:45:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/06/17/lgs-new-tv-repels-mosquitoes-yes-seriously/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[18:45:59] <CaptHindsight> LG’s new TV repels mosquitoes – Yes, seriously
[18:46:19] <XXCoder> mosquitoes unfortunately is not useless either
[18:46:39] <XXCoder> so many eat em
[18:47:49] <andypugh> I am not too bothered about mosquitos, I can spare the blood.
[18:48:05] <XXCoder> bug ecosystem is powered by blood. lol
[18:48:18] <andypugh> And it isn’t like the malaria parasite is their fault.
[18:48:54] <XXCoder> yeah.
[18:55:49] <CaptHindsight> http://techxplore.com/news/2016-06-world-processor-chip.html World's first 1,000-processor chip
[18:56:47] <XXCoder> wow
[18:57:48] <andypugh> isolcpus would probably be wrong :-)(
[18:58:28] <Ralith> world's first, except for the last five years or so of GPUs
[18:59:59] <djdelorie> to be fair, those have 1024 processors, not 1000
[19:00:26] <PCW_> this is MIMD also not SIMD like most GPUs
[19:01:52] <andypugh> I just invented MISD. It;s great when you want to be _really_ sure of the result.
[19:03:45] <XXCoder> build a million processor supercomputer with that cpu
[19:04:05] <skunkworks> The noise in the Y axis seems to have been a ball screw support bearing that isn't forced oiled
[19:05:15] <skunkworks> just odd. they seem to have willy-nillied decided what to oil..
[19:11:24] <XXCoder> chinese?
[19:16:35] <CaptHindsight> http://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/buy-printer/ I'm going to make a Linuxcnc board that drops into these to replace their closed controller
[19:18:55] <CaptHindsight> simple 2 axis galvo with z-axis stage
[19:20:08] <CaptHindsight> bypass their resin cartridge ID DRM as well
[19:20:26] <XXCoder> drm. lovely.
[19:20:55] <XXCoder> they are trying to be printer company. ink more expensive than human blood
[19:21:05] <XXCoder> yet cheap to make
[19:22:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Piss em off, make a cheap unlocker thingy
[19:23:21] <CaptHindsight> going to make a board that just swaps out their board
[19:23:35] <Jymmm> ah
[19:24:05] <CaptHindsight> 4 core arm board that runs Linuxcnc plus the galvo and z-axis driver
[19:25:01] <enleth> XXCoder: yeah, it's priced as if it were made out of unicorn droppings hand-picked by Tibetan monks in the heart of the Amazon jungle
[19:25:23] <XXCoder> lol indeed
[19:25:43] <CaptHindsight> there are similar SLA printers for ~$1k but people seem to buy the form2
[19:25:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What ARE the resins they/it uses?
[19:26:13] <CaptHindsight> then they want other resins or wish to control the settings themselves
[19:26:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you have one?
[19:27:02] <CaptHindsight> I make my own printers
[19:27:19] <CaptHindsight> but we get asked about this all the time since we make resins
[19:27:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What ARE the resins they/it uses?
[19:28:33] <CaptHindsight> 405nm cured acrylated epoxies, urethane's and polyesters
[19:29:05] <Jymmm> k
[19:30:06] <CaptHindsight> http://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/buy-materials/ looks like they are 3-10x the price of ours
[19:31:33] <Jymmm> Wait.... $60 for a EMPTY tank, then have to replace it after 2L, then $300 worth of resin too?!
[19:32:01] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I'm not sure what people are thinking when they buy these
[19:32:17] <djdelorie> they're thinking "$60 is cheap for resin"
[19:32:22] <Jymmm> Not realizing that, fir starters.
[19:32:48] <XXCoder> fire starter?
[19:32:49] <CaptHindsight> probably the slick marketing and lack of knowledge of the resins and other options
[19:33:24] <XXCoder> what is resin properies like?
[19:33:26] <Jymmm> I thought "tank" was just tech-clang for a resin
[19:33:32] <Jymmm> slang*
[19:33:43] <Jymmm> like "sketch" or "shield"
[19:34:05] <CaptHindsight> no, an actual tank with rfid chip
[19:34:30] <Jymmm> that's fucked up
[19:34:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah, like an inkjet printer
[19:34:46] <XXCoder> printer companu
[19:34:54] <CaptHindsight> take the customers for they are worth
[19:35:02] <CaptHindsight> for all
[19:35:15] <XXCoder> increase price till they complain and increase it 50% more
[19:50:29] <CaptHindsight> http://us.xyzprinting.com/us_en/Product/Nobel-1.0 is only $1100
[19:50:52] <CaptHindsight> yet people opt for the $3500 form2
[19:53:31] <CaptHindsight> same board could run the Nobel 1
[19:55:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: had a discussion today with several laser marking suppliers
[19:56:38] <CaptHindsight> they all mark up a few $K in laser, power supply, galvo and lenses to $20k or more since they all seemed to think that integration and their controller were worth it
[19:57:39] <CaptHindsight> they were all unaware that Linuxcnc + a servo controller did way more than their closed winders controller can ever do
[19:59:49] <t12> why try and be cheaper
[20:00:02] <t12> just do a better job and charge the same or more
[20:02:49] <CaptHindsight> the money is in the materials, never the depositions equipment
[20:03:00] <CaptHindsight> it's always a race to the bottom for the printers
[20:03:34] <t12> yeah but
[20:03:41] <t12> im saying why win that race
[20:04:03] <t12> races to the bottom suck
[20:04:08] <CaptHindsight> if you want to make printers
[20:04:41] <t12> more valuable to provide useful things to mfglines than shave a few thou of costs
[20:05:13] <CaptHindsight> those are just toy printers for protos and custom yodas
[20:05:31] <CaptHindsight> printers for manufacturing are another story
[20:06:47] <t12> er sorry not folling conversation as usual
[20:06:59] <CaptHindsight> manufacturing systems are closer to CNC machines than these toys
[20:08:29] <CaptHindsight> so the bullet points are: for some reason people opt for the $3500 form2 vs other low cost SLA printers
[20:09:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make a linuxcnc board to swap out the controllers in these printers
[20:09:24] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight The biggest benefit of the form2 is the software
[20:09:28] <CaptHindsight> it will bypass any DRM in the printers
[20:09:57] <CaptHindsight> os1r1s: what is the benefit of their software?
[20:10:08] <CaptHindsight> slicing?
[20:10:20] <os1r1s> The software autopositions and provides a support structure
[20:10:34] <os1r1s> I have two open source SLA printers and a form2
[20:10:51] <os1r1s> Creation Workshop sucks
[20:11:00] <CaptHindsight> it sure does
[20:11:17] <os1r1s> And b9creator is still fairly primitive
[20:11:54] <CaptHindsight> plus CW went closed and charges $500 a seat now
[20:12:01] <os1r1s> On the form2 I'd say the autorefill puts it ahead of the OS alternatives.
[20:12:25] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight Yeah, I still have the source from before the douchebag did that
[20:12:38] <os1r1s> I am quite bitter about it :)
[20:12:51] <CaptHindsight> autorefill of the resin or is that some feature in the slicer?
[20:13:02] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight That's a printer feature
[20:13:13] <os1r1s> So it senses the resin level and adds it when necessary
[20:13:19] <CaptHindsight> what does it do?
[20:13:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What brand laser?
[20:13:29] <os1r1s> Its not needed on short printers, but it is sure nice on 21+ hour prints
[20:13:39] <os1r1s> err, short prints
[20:13:56] <CaptHindsight> oh it just tops off the resin in the vat
[20:14:00] <os1r1s> Yep
[20:14:09] <os1r1s> So you don't have to keep running to the printer and adding more
[20:14:22] <os1r1s> Under 4 hours and it really doesn't matter
[20:14:27] <CaptHindsight> not too difficult to do
[20:14:52] <os1r1s> No, but overnight prints are awful nice
[20:15:10] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: for what?
[20:15:25] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight https://www.dropbox.com/s/08x7y6sivp10sul/F2FGArmy.jpg?dl=0
[20:15:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Whatever company this is: "they all mark up a few $K in laser, power supply, galvo and lenses to $20k or more since they all seemed to think that integration and their controller were worth it"
[20:16:01] <CaptHindsight> the form1, 2 limit you to their 5-6 resins, that's like a drill press that only works with 5 drill sizes
[20:17:54] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: vy-tek, nutfield, laserphotonics, domino, trotec, fslaser, videojet etc
[20:18:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, Trotec is pricy, but they make some damn fine lasers
[20:18:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and back theri shit up
[20:19:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.trotec-marking.com/en-US/Lasermachines/marking-laser/oem-laser/Pages/SpeedMarker-CL.aspx
[20:20:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.trotec-marking.com/en-US/Lasermachines/accessories/Options/Pages/Galvo-marking-head.aspx
[20:20:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If one doesn't need that kind of support, there are some good lasers out of china
[20:20:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I need US made for the guberment
[20:21:02] <CaptHindsight> otherwsie i can fly to honk kong and some back with all the parts next week
[20:21:08] <CaptHindsight> some/come
[20:22:07] <Jymmm> not parts, whole machines. Like will do 24x48"
[20:22:53] <XXCoder> goverment requires usa made alone equipment?
[20:23:19] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: often yes, especially when it's DOD or labs
[20:23:44] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:23:57] <XXCoder> make your own. couldnt be more usa made than that ;)
[20:24:13] <CaptHindsight> security and also revenue feedback loop
[20:25:20] <CaptHindsight> guberment contract for say $100k, and maybe 10-25% ends up going back to guberment as tax
[20:25:50] <CaptHindsight> vs foreign entity
[20:26:04] <XXCoder> woul be funny if they passed, if bought for goverment projects, 100% taxed :P
[20:26:31] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLqBSnSaUkE
[20:26:50] <CaptHindsight> so every contract would be doubled in cost
[20:26:58] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:27:33] <CaptHindsight> now you start to see how they can play games with the books
[20:28:55] <XXCoder> $20,000 tiolets
[20:29:09] <enleth> I just figured out what do do with the ORAC lacking a spindle guard to prevent people from embedding the chuck key in their faces when they leave it in - have a keyhole for it on the control panel, with the key being required to turn the VFD on
[20:29:44] <CaptHindsight> os1r1s: did you use CW with Marlin on a *duino?
[20:30:07] <enleth> somehow it's not a common feature so it's either a huge PITA to deal with or I just invented something revolutionary. probably the former.
[20:30:08] <CaptHindsight> marlin is awful as well
[20:31:31] <skunkworks> enleth, I have seen that done before
[20:32:07] <skunkworks> XXCoder, matsuura
[20:32:09] <enleth> shouln't be a PITA actually, you have to put the key *somewhere* anyway so a hole intended for just this purpose near the chuck should be conveniet
[20:36:41] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight The form1 and 2 do not limit you to resins
[20:37:12] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight On a duino and a smoothie on the 2 machines.
[20:38:25] <XXCoder> I want to try make something but dunno what lol
[20:40:00] <Jymmm> XXCoder: carrot cake
[20:40:17] <XXCoder> my favorite. hmm
[20:40:19] <XXCoder> nah
[20:40:25] <Jymmm> wuss
[20:40:31] <XXCoder> not much of cooker
[20:41:06] <Jymmm> burn water huh?
[20:41:17] <CaptHindsight> os1r1s: rfid on the cartridge and lack of user settings for laser rate, power, dwell, layer thickness etc unless you pay extra to unlock the software?
[20:41:41] <XXCoder> Jymmm: they are still researching how I acciently made fusion happen in pot of water
[20:42:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: you farted in the water, we know <rolls eyes>
[20:42:10] <XXCoder> lol
[20:42:25] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight You are thinking of FSL
[20:42:28] <os1r1s> Not formlabs
[20:42:53] <os1r1s> There are alternative resins from MJ and Madesolid that work fine
[20:42:57] <os1r1s> brb
[20:44:19] <CaptHindsight> os1r1s: formlabs is backwards, you need to make resins compatible with what the form 1, 2 have for settings
[20:44:57] <os1r1s> Correct. But at least there are alternatives and they work
[20:45:25] <os1r1s> The software is what makes the F1/2 valuable
[20:46:10] <CaptHindsight> it's backwards since a printer should be able to work with wide range of resins with a wide range of properties
[20:46:52] <CaptHindsight> unless you're happy with their narrow range of resins
[20:58:52] * zeeshan has walked into what he suspects to be is a 3d printing conversation
[20:58:53] * zeeshan leaves
[21:00:38] <gkwhc> might anyone here be familiar with traditional milling machines? i was wondering if theres a way to mill a graded (sloped) channel?
[21:00:39] * tiwake pokes zeeshan
[21:01:00] <zeeshan> put the channel on an angle
[21:01:02] <tiwake> gkwhc: you gotta prop one end up
[21:01:26] * tiwake flails at zeeshan
[21:01:37] <gregcnc> zee show him the video you did
[21:02:05] <XXCoder> hey the Z
[21:02:05] <zeeshan> gkwhc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTyLod4mn-E
[21:02:06] <zeeshan> :p
[21:02:14] <tiwake> gkwhc: yay for trigonometry
[21:02:24] <XXCoder> oh watched that before
[21:02:31] <CaptHindsight> who'd buy a drill press or a mill that only works with a few cutting tool sizes?
[21:02:32] <XXCoder> gonna love trig
[21:02:51] <tiwake> XXCoder: I hate it... lol
[21:02:56] <tiwake> at least in math class
[21:03:02] <tiwake> they make you memorize everything
[21:03:09] <XXCoder> really? its most fun of all math subjects
[21:03:19] <XXCoder> I hated calculus III but mainly because teacher sucked
[21:03:20] <tiwake> in calculus I didnt have to memorize anything
[21:03:32] <zeeshan> what is point of memorization
[21:03:36] <zeeshan> :P
[21:03:57] <tiwake> oh, except for differential equations... my teacher tried to make me memorize stuff, but I dropped that class
[21:03:57] <zeeshan> d/dy (sinx) = cos x?
[21:03:58] <tiwake> lol
[21:04:21] <tiwake> physics was fun too
[21:04:39] <XXCoder> ingerate 0 to infinity square root of X
[21:04:54] <CaptHindsight> since they don't know how to apply it or use it to solve actual problems you have the make the work a chore
[21:05:11] <CaptHindsight> we used to call it "crank"
[21:05:46] <CaptHindsight> since you just crank the handle to get the result
[21:06:45] <tiwake> that seemed to be physics
[21:06:50] <tiwake> well no
[21:06:59] <tiwake> yeah, math people
[21:07:23] <tiwake> physics is basically applied math, and engineering is applied physics
[21:07:44] <tiwake> more or less
[21:08:01] <tiwake> and machinists is applied engineering
[21:08:03] <XXCoder> tiwake: https://xkcd.com/435/
[21:08:30] <tiwake> heh, yeah
[21:08:42] <tiwake> math people are rather strange
[21:09:55] <zeeshan> XXCoder: was that a serious q
[21:09:58] <zeeshan> u should remember that!
[21:10:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nah lol
[21:10:15] <zeeshan> rewrite as x^(1/2)
[21:10:20] <XXCoder> I know
[21:10:29] <zeeshan> then add one to the exponent and move the reciprocal down
[21:10:31] <zeeshan> bammmmmmmmm
[21:10:53] <XXCoder> yeah its very simple lol
[21:11:31] <zeeshan> but how are you supposed to integrate it to infinity
[21:11:35] <zeeshan> ;[
[21:11:43] <XXCoder> indeed. that was joke part
[21:16:04] <zeeshan> what is joke
[21:16:06] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:16:14] <XXCoder> lol
[21:16:22] <XXCoder> well whats ya doing
[21:16:34] <zeeshan> relaxing :D
[21:16:36] <XXCoder> oh and did you see my project fail video? lol
[21:16:36] <zeeshan> i get my truck tommo
[21:16:37] <zeeshan> excited
[21:16:38] <zeeshan> no
[21:16:44] <XXCoder> lemme get video link
[21:17:04] <XXCoder> dont worry I already guessed it was a failure and chatted about changes here
[21:17:20] <zeeshan> :)
[21:17:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sojJgCfDbp4
[21:17:42] <XXCoder> also got a nice drill vise that fits on my cnc router! that thing was awesome
[21:23:51] <gkwhc> tiwake, zeeshan: ahh great tip, why didnt i think of that?!
[21:24:08] <XXCoder> zeeshan: so what ya think lol
[21:24:41] <zeeshan> im suprised you didnt snap your end mill
[21:24:41] <zeeshan> :P
[21:25:17] <XXCoder> nylon is pretty soft. probably not enough to break em
[21:25:19] <XXCoder> but yeah lol
[21:25:30] <XXCoder> it was real though getting the danged em out
[21:25:33] <XXCoder> tough
[21:25:54] <XXCoder> I used my drill press to hold it while I rocked part around, that finally loosened it
[21:27:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan: know whats strange? em is still usable. nice and sharp
[21:27:21] <XXCoder> just has plastic melted on it
[21:27:47] <zeeshan> yea pretty hard to dull an end mill w/ plastic
[21:27:53] <XXCoder> yeah.
[21:27:59] <gregcnc> you can melt aluminum on endmills and still be fine
[21:28:06] <XXCoder> my machine cant cut alum for now
[21:28:28] <XXCoder> I ordered cheap 6061 alum blocks so i can machine em at work to make adoptor plates
[21:28:42] <gregcnc> I just pry the aluminum out of the flutes, or there is acid
[21:28:44] <XXCoder> gregcnc: melt alum? (my tool is HSS btw
[21:28:51] <gregcnc> oh carbide
[21:29:10] <XXCoder> it looks almost carbide because of plastic on it lol
[21:29:56] <gregcnc> sure high spindle speed low feed rate, poor chip clearing and soon you have aluminum melting like your plastic
[21:30:14] * zeeshan snaps end mills when aluminum gums up
[21:30:15] <zeeshan> :D
[21:30:37] <XXCoder> too many flutes dont help either
[21:31:10] <gregcnc> if axis thrust is weak or you quick on the estop the endmill may not break
[21:31:14] <XXCoder> it probably would have ran better with single flute
[21:31:29] <gregcnc> two flute is OK
[21:33:46] <zeeshan> all depends on your setup :P
[21:33:49] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:33:52] <zeeshan> i have cut aluminum fine with 4 flute
[21:34:02] <zeeshan> w/ mist and air blast
[21:34:14] <XXCoder> its just too fast. even with around 1/2 power (I dknow how DC scales down with power) its still too fast
[21:34:18] <zeeshan> breaks pretty quick without
[21:34:30] <XXCoder> and bit weak to boot. second part I set to 75% power
[21:34:45] <XXCoder> I really need some sort of cooling system
[21:36:22] <gregcnc> shopvac works ok to get chip out
[21:38:07] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:45:37] <zeeshan> i found out what was causing ctrl + k to not working
[21:45:39] <zeeshan> and other keys
[21:45:42] <zeeshan> linuxcnc-features
[21:45:42] <zeeshan> :/
[21:49:06] <Tom_itx> whassup zee
[21:49:14] <zeeshan> not much
[21:49:14] <zeeshan> you
[21:49:15] <zeeshan> :D
[21:49:31] <Tom_itx> how do you know your indicator wasn't moving when you pushed it uphill?
[21:49:59] <zeeshan> repeat
[21:50:07] <Tom_itx> how do you know your indicator wasn't moving when you pushed it uphill?
[21:50:45] <Tom_itx> you should have a roller on the tip
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> =P
[21:51:12] <Tom_itx> but it gets the job done i suppose
[21:51:41] <Tom_itx> dunno what happened to sound here...
[21:51:43] <zeeshan> its faster than busting out the sine plate and gag blocks :P
[21:57:03] <Tom_itx> been tryin to wrap my head around this oops programming
[21:57:11] <zeeshan> damn you objects!
[21:57:17] <XXCoder> object orented programming
[21:57:48] <Tom_itx> my old dos code still outperforms it hands down
[21:58:23] <XXCoder> its very handy sometmes
[22:02:17] <Tom_itx> getting things to do what i want hasn't been the easiest
[22:10:59] <XXCoder> whats you making anyway
[22:17:39] <roycroft> my "scratch and dent" motor arrived today
[22:17:45] <roycroft> in the factory box, with the factory manual
[22:17:54] <roycroft> it appears to have never been used at all
[22:18:12] <roycroft> but there are a couple scuff marks on it, as though it sat on a shelf, unboxed, for a while
[22:18:47] <roycroft> since i paid a fraction of what it normally costs, i'm fine with that :)
[22:24:17] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:24:20] <XXCoder> if it works it works.
[23:26:36] <XXCoder> watched some of black hole footage
[23:26:41] <XXCoder> man it was weird movie.