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[00:44:32] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[00:44:37] <XXCoder> keep forgetting to ask this
[00:44:55] <XXCoder> I bought shims, and there is 2 0.01" shims, and one is brass
[00:45:01] <XXCoder> anyone know why?
[00:48:37] <roycroft> they're probably 0.010" shims, no?
[00:49:42] <XXCoder> well yes thatys what i said
[00:49:50] <roycroft> no, you said 0.01"
[00:49:54] <roycroft> which is quite different
[00:50:07] <XXCoder> 0.01" == 0.010"
[00:50:12] <roycroft> not at all
[00:50:26] <roycroft> 0.01" can be anywhere from 0.005" to 0.015"
[00:50:52] <roycroft> 0.010" is 0.009" to 0.011"
[00:51:00] <XXCoder> ah error range difference
[00:51:01] <XXCoder> ok
[00:51:06] <XXCoder> well both is 0.010
[00:52:45] <roycroft> it's a subtle but important difference
[01:53:49] <XXCoder> roycroft: though do you know why one is steel nd one is brass?
[01:59:18] <archivist> I have packs of shim, they were available in steel or brass
[01:59:49] <XXCoder> yeah I guessed that was case, its just that all mine is steel in that ack, and one brass 0.010
[02:00:15] <XXCoder> made me wonder if there was special uses popular enough for that to be oncuded
[02:00:35] <archivist> I keep mine mixed in a box
[02:01:36] <archivist> the standard pack had a variety of thickness
[02:02:03] <XXCoder> yeah thats mine. from .002 to some max size (I guess .035?)
[02:04:30] <XXCoder> ah it goes down to .001
[02:05:57] <XXCoder> finally found some info
[02:06:15] <XXCoder> brass .010 is for its non-magnetic properity for few uses
[02:22:35] <Deejay> moin
[02:24:02] <mase-tech> Moin moin
[02:24:33] <mase-tech> ein schöner tag
[02:26:56] <Deejay> hu
[02:27:49] <archivist> time we had some Swiss in here to help me identify
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=press+pd+mac
[02:33:31] <archivist> could be a jewel press for a production watch/instrument maker
[03:32:38] <yasnak> fix your internet bruh
[03:34:52] <XXCoder> who?
[03:35:23] <yasnak> icecube
[03:35:32] <yasnak> do you ever sleep man? you're worse then me
[03:35:59] <XXCoder> I normally sleep at 4 am
[03:36:01] <XXCoder> its now 1 am
[03:36:33] <XXCoder> I'm pretty much never here while monday-thurs heh
[03:37:13] <yasnak> cali?
[03:37:22] <yasnak> ah, washington
[03:37:32] <XXCoder> yep lol
[06:22:24] <XXCoder> bulleye.
http://buttersafe.com/comics/2016-05-17-goodshot.jpg
[06:41:31] <jthornton> lol
[06:43:34] <XXCoder> somewhat stupid comic but it does has its moments like that one
[06:49:49] * jthornton installs the Debian LiveCD to see if it can be made to be less painful to use
[06:50:21] <XXCoder> there is
[06:50:42] <XXCoder> use cardage-based os such as Atari 2600
[06:51:00] <XXCoder> just power on or off, few switches, joystick with one button. simple.
[06:52:52] <XXCoder> honestly all oses suck
[06:56:00] <_methods> jthornton: so what all was wrong with debian for you?
[06:57:02] <_methods> i remember you were having an issue with network shares
[06:57:09] <jthornton> just a bunch of nit pick things that annoy me like the log in and sharing yea
[06:57:27] <_methods> yeah that was a thunar issue i have to fix every time i do an install
[06:57:35] <_methods> you would think i would bookmark the fix
[06:57:49] <jthornton> that would be nice
[06:57:51] <_methods> but i end up spending like 2 hours re-learning how to fix it every install
[06:58:01] <jthornton> I just found the auto log in fix
[06:59:32] <_methods> yeah i really need to record these things when i figure them out lol
[07:00:50] <_methods> well time to hit the farmers market
[07:01:05] <_methods> gonna do some home made breakfast sausage
[07:01:23] <_methods> i made some italian sausage the other day
[07:01:26] <_methods> and now i'm ruined
[07:01:36] <_methods> can't eat that trash at the grocery store anymore
[07:02:30] <jthornton> right out the box the network does not work on a new install of debian sigh
[07:04:00] <_methods> wifi?
[07:04:06] <_methods> or wired
[07:06:07] <jthornton> wired
[07:06:16] <_methods> oh wow
[07:06:22] <_methods> yeah that's stupid
[07:06:46] <_methods> i've actually had pretty good luck with most distros networking lately
[07:06:50] <_methods> it used to be even worse
[07:06:55] <_methods> wifi was futile
[07:07:21] <XXCoder> its video card acceration that always been sucked for linux
[07:07:24] <_methods> the first distro i ever used was slack
[07:07:31] <_methods> and it took me like 4 hours to get the keyboard working
[07:07:35] <XXCoder> its always been only few cards that work.
[07:07:51] <XXCoder> nowdays its bit better, linux can use SOME of most cards.
[07:08:13] <_methods> some of most cards?
[07:08:19] <_methods> is that like a couple of a few cards
[07:08:27] <_methods> or like a lot of a bunch of cards
[07:08:50] <XXCoder> well you have some support of acceration on quite bunch of video cards
[07:09:00] <XXCoder> and most/all of only few popular ones
[07:09:07] <_methods> ah then its more like quite a bunch
[07:09:21] <XXCoder> nvanda seem to support linux prett good, though all closed sofware
[07:09:21] <_methods> haha
[07:09:41] <XXCoder> ati well
[07:09:50] <XXCoder> my r9 270 cant do some stuff accerated
[07:09:56] <jthornton> the same pc running linuxmint the network is fine, I just put a new hard drive in and installed debian and networking is broken sigh
[07:10:15] <XXCoder> debian always lags on software
[07:10:20] <XXCoder> they use most stable packages
[07:10:34] <XXCoder> maybe you should use slightly more bleeding edge like xfce mint
[07:13:13] <jthornton> I use LinuxMint Mate on everything but was giving Debian another shot...
[07:13:45] <XXCoder> isnt there distro thats basically direct fork of debian only more... current?
[07:13:59] <jthornton> beats me lol
[07:15:11] <XXCoder> devuan is fork of debian because of systemmd disagreements
[07:15:17] <XXCoder> still havent found that one
[07:21:42] <jthornton> hmm it didn't install any eth only the local loopback
[07:30:47] <XXCoder> odd
[07:30:54] <jthornton> anyone running debian look in /etc/network/interfaces and tell me what you have
[07:30:56] <XXCoder> maybe it didnt detect network when it was being installed
[07:31:02] <XXCoder> looking
[07:31:03] <jthornton> could be
[07:31:30] <XXCoder> empty.
[07:31:38] <jthornton> hmmm
[07:31:59] <XXCoder> oh its a file?
[07:32:16] <jthornton> yes
[07:32:16] <Tom_itx> it varies how they do that
[07:32:21] <XXCoder> # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) auto lo iface lo inet loopback
[07:32:31] <XXCoder> bunch of spaces where line break was
[07:33:54] <jthornton> I have the same thing just the two lines auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[07:34:17] <XXCoder> bunch files there
[07:34:47] <XXCoder> well folders but yeah
[07:35:03] <XXCoder> anyway maybe check google see if theres something
[07:35:17] <jthornton> yea googling now
[07:41:41] <jthornton> tossed a network card in and it likes that
[07:51:32] <XXCoder> yummy network card
[07:54:39] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/CRsredH.jpg
[07:54:43] <_methods> farmers market score
[07:54:45] <_methods> weeeeeeeeee
[07:59:13] <JT-Shop> looks good
[08:01:58] <_methods> yeah man
[08:02:01] <_methods> i love this time of year
[08:02:07] <_methods> fresh veggies
[08:02:32] <_methods> local farmers market is like 5 minutes from the house
[08:05:34] <jthornton> dang that is cool to be so close to one
[08:06:06] <jthornton> hmmm xfce does not have gedit as it a a gnome thing...
[08:06:19] <Sync> you can still install gedit tho
[08:11:09] <jthornton> I think you have to add something to the synaptic package manger like backports or something
[08:15:55] <XXCoder> jthornton: gedit is installed
[08:16:11] <XXCoder> hmm maybe not the case for debian
[08:16:22] <jthornton> not in debian sneezy
[08:16:39] <jthornton> the livecd installs the xfce desktop
[08:20:49] <jthornton> lol finally did enough updates to get geany to install
[08:21:04] <XXCoder> gonna love update hell
[08:25:06] <jthornton> and it finally found gedit
[08:25:38] <jthornton> now someone remember how to fix file sharing lol
[08:26:04] <_methods> i think i had to install gvfs-smb, gvfs-backends
[08:26:12] <_methods> seems like there was something else too
[08:26:18] <_methods> i've been trying to find it
[08:26:23] <_methods> but as usual i can't
[08:34:56] <_methods> 54 sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[08:34:58] <_methods> 55 sudo apt-get install gvfs-bin
[08:35:00] <_methods> 56 sudo apt-get install gvfs-fuse
[08:35:07] <_methods> i think i had to add my user to fuse group also
[08:35:23] <_methods> yes
[08:35:29] <_methods> add the user to fuse group
[08:35:32] <_methods> and that should do the trick
[08:41:41] <jthornton> thanks
[08:44:00] <_methods> np
[08:44:08] <_methods> had to look at cmd history
[08:44:18] <_methods> luckily i just did this one and it was still in history
[08:50:45] <Polymorphism> lxde > xfce =D
[09:09:00] <gregcnc> http://imgur.com/gallery/IHehy
[09:09:29] <_methods> hahah
[09:09:40] <_methods> it puts the windows in the basket
[09:09:55] <_methods> put the fuckin windows in the basket bitch
[09:10:15] <malcom2073> hehe
[09:10:20] <BeachBumPete> yikes!
[09:10:56] <_methods> hahah
[09:11:02] <_methods> the buffalo bill update
[09:11:14] <BeachBumPete> speaking of updates
[09:11:26] <BeachBumPete> I got an update or my LG phone last week
[09:11:38] <_methods> good or bad update lol
[09:11:39] <BeachBumPete> and I don't NORMALLY take them but it had been a long time
[09:11:45] <BeachBumPete> so I did it..
[09:11:51] <BeachBumPete> now I WISH I hadn't
[09:12:11] <_methods> that's why i only get phones that you can unlock the bootloaders
[09:12:11] <Tom_itx> hindsight is 20/20
[09:12:18] <_methods> i ever use stock on phone
[09:12:19] <BeachBumPete> it seems like a dumbed down mamby pamby version of itself
[09:12:27] <_methods> verizon is so horrible with their bloat
[09:12:30] <BeachBumPete> color me pissed
[09:12:49] * Tom_itx gives BeachBumPete a dialup rotary phone
[09:12:49] <BeachBumPete> apparently you cannot reverse it either
[09:13:11] <_methods> update no takebacks
[09:13:23] <Tom_itx> a device reset would
[09:13:27] <BeachBumPete> would it?
[09:13:33] <jthornton> groups shows me being in fuse...
[09:13:35] <Tom_itx> probably
[09:13:37] <BeachBumPete> because I am about ready to
[09:13:37] <jthornton> morning bum
[09:13:51] <_methods> still no modify with you in fuse?
[09:14:01] <BeachBumPete> what is fuse?
[09:14:08] <jthornton> booting atm
[09:14:10] <_methods> kk
[09:14:29] <_methods> BeachBumPete:
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/mount.fuse.8.html
[09:14:57] <jthornton> BeachBumPete:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/17210552/
[09:15:04] <jthornton> the conversation from a while ago
[09:15:05] <_methods> alright break time over back to washing the fj
[09:15:21] <BeachBumPete> Oh you ass you got an FJ?
[09:15:44] <BeachBumPete> what year?
[09:16:16] <_methods> 2007
[09:16:22] <_methods> i bought one when they first came out
[09:16:24] <BeachBumPete> Damn that is a sweet truck
[09:16:39] <jthornton> yea I got drag and drop across the lan in Debian!
[09:16:42] <_methods> yeah i bought it then someone stole it from me
[09:16:49] <_methods> my wife
[09:16:55] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[09:17:04] <BeachBumPete> does yours have the white roof?
[09:17:30] <jthornton> I only have 150 yards of dirt to dig out... almost done with the big dig
[09:17:37] <BeachBumPete> I have seen some lately that have body color roofs
[09:17:40] <BeachBumPete> rooves?
[09:21:14] <jthornton> hmm the debian is not showing up on the network from other computers
[09:21:14] <_methods> yeah white roof
[09:21:34] <_methods> you probably have to set up shares
[09:21:36] <_methods> nfs or samba
[09:21:46] <jthornton> ah samba
[09:21:52] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you create a share?
[09:21:54] <Tom_itx> yeah...
[09:22:27] * Tom_itx winds up his fingers so they type faster than _methods
[09:27:44] <_methods> hahah
[09:27:48] <_methods> im washin the car too
[09:27:51] <_methods> and i still beat ya
[09:28:11] <Tom_itx> i wasn't paying attention... doing paperwork too
[09:31:01] <jthornton> and there you have it!
[09:32:46] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what you gonna do with the switches?
[09:34:11] <jthornton> just use them on a breadboard for simulated inputs
[09:42:35] <Tom_itx> wires will do that ya know
[09:45:41] <BeachBumPete> OT but my daughter caught a SWEET Sea Trout yesterday ya wanna see a pic?
[09:53:24] <_methods> sure
[09:53:37] <_methods> sorry in and out
[09:53:46] <_methods> come in for water break and check the room lol
[09:54:00] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/dL3tgA8
[09:54:28] <BeachBumPete> sweet fish but unfortunately it was TOO big. Over slot by like 2.5 inches
[09:55:30] <_methods> wow that's a nice fish
[09:56:31] <BeachBumPete> I know right.. it beat my best by like four or five inches... She also caught a BIG ASS Stingray just before that I thought she had a big shark or something we fought it for like 20 minutes LOL
[09:57:10] <Tom_itx> how do you unhool those without getting stung?
[09:57:14] <Tom_itx> k
[09:57:56] <BeachBumPete> well honestly that one was so big when we TRIED to pull it up onto the pier the leader broke but normally you just net them and step on the tail while you unhook them very carefully..
[09:59:49] <BeachBumPete> its been years since I caught one but there are LOTS of them around the area we fish so we have caught like ten or so of them since we have been here. I forgot how hard they pull I must say you would not think they were that fast or powerful but they sure as hell are.....
[10:00:48] <_methods> heh my wife is out fishin now while i'm washing the cool ass car i bought that i never get to drive
[10:00:55] <BeachBumPete> one amazing thing too is we have seen several times the eagle rays flying up out of the water like three or four feet and clearing five or six feet before landing back in the water... It is pretty awesome sight!!
[10:03:49] <Tom_itx> finding any shops you may wanna work for/at?
[10:04:09] <BeachBumPete> yeah some....honestly we had a bit of a setback yesterday possibly
[10:04:52] <BeachBumPete> apparently the house we are trying to buy which WAS a 2 bedroom and has been converted to a 3 bedrrom 3 bath
[10:05:07] <BeachBumPete> the contractors failed to take out a permit for the addition
[10:05:15] <Tom_itx> not permitted...
[10:05:22] <Tom_itx> yeah that happens alot
[10:05:36] <BeachBumPete> so when the appraiser went to look at the house yesterday they said they could not appraise it as a 3 bdrm
[10:05:48] <BeachBumPete> so as a 2 bdrm house it probably won't appraise
[10:06:13] <Tom_itx> get it permitted
[10:06:20] <BeachBumPete> we already had the home inspection and termite inspection for which I paid several hundred bucks
[10:06:21] <Tom_itx> let em look at the addition
[10:06:39] <BeachBumPete> that would be up to the contractor/seller to do
[10:06:47] <Tom_itx> right
[10:07:07] <BeachBumPete> as I understand it the only way it could be permitted is if they demo the walls so the inspector can check the electrical and AC stuff...
[10:07:34] <BeachBumPete> we actually passed on another larger home because it had known issues of the same sort last month
[10:07:35] <Tom_itx> quite possibly
[10:08:09] <BeachBumPete> really upsetting because my wife and I liked the house a lot...
[10:08:41] <BeachBumPete> I tried to call the seller about 4pm yesterday and he did not answer probably went out of town for the weekend or something...
[10:10:08] <BeachBumPete> will have to wait until monday to speak to him about it and see what he can do.
[10:10:23] <Tom_itx> if it falls thru, they should be held responsible for any inspections you've done
[10:10:27] <BeachBumPete> If they can't get it permitted we may have to bail on the deal and find another house...
[10:10:45] <BeachBumPete> I agree but it remains to be seen if they would honor that sentiment
[10:10:52] <BeachBumPete> we would get our earnest money back I am sure
[10:10:57] <Tom_itx> after all, you can't take that with you and it's their property
[10:11:18] <Tom_itx> the inspections would have to be done anyway
[10:11:26] <BeachBumPete> true
[10:11:29] <Tom_itx> unless you're a fool
[10:12:01] <BeachBumPete> no we had a THOROUGH home inspection done. guy even used a thermal imager on everything... I was there with him the entire time
[10:12:30] <Tom_itx> i meant anyone purchasing would want that done unless you're nuts
[10:12:34] <BeachBumPete> never realized how useful a thermal imager camera would be on your house....that thing is awesome
[10:12:55] <Loetmichel> BeachBumPete: for getting down the heating costs?
[10:12:57] <Loetmichel> or what?
[10:12:59] <BeachBumPete> he could even find very tiny water leaks like under one of the sinks etc...
[10:13:21] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel it shows all sorts of things
[10:13:23] <BeachBumPete> well yeah he measured and verified the AC output
[10:13:37] <BeachBumPete> checked the roof for AC leaks/duct leaks
[10:13:40] <BeachBumPete> water leaks
[10:13:49] <Loetmichel> in germany those are mandatory for outside, searching for heating leaks
[10:13:51] <BeachBumPete> insulation breaks
[10:14:01] <Loetmichel> the use of thermal imagers INSIDE have never heard of
[10:14:08] <BeachBumPete> I was quite impressed with all he was able to clearly see with it
[10:14:29] <BeachBumPete> yeah well like I said he found drain pipe leaks in one of the bathroom vaniites
[10:14:40] <Loetmichel> nice use of it
[10:14:57] <Loetmichel> i think that wouldnt work that well over here tho
[10:15:18] <Loetmichel> most houses here are made of concrete or bricks
[10:15:32] <BeachBumPete> yeah it was pretty sweet and he would take a digital camera photo of the result with a quality DSLR while he did it so its recorded in the inspection report
[10:15:44] <Loetmichel> or foamed conccrete
[10:15:52] <Loetmichel> wich is a pretty good insulator
[10:15:58] <Loetmichel> so you cant see anything INSIDE of it
[10:16:02] <BeachBumPete> oh yeah another important thing he did with It I never thought of
[10:16:16] <BeachBumPete> he removed the electronic panel cover
[10:16:28] <Loetmichel> and looked for bad lug nuts?
[10:16:29] <BeachBumPete> and used it on there to check for any overheating circuits
[10:16:32] <Tom_itx> checked for hot wires
[10:16:38] <Loetmichel> nice
[10:16:46] <Loetmichel> usually you can smell that tho
[10:16:47] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[10:16:54] <Loetmichel> or see the charred insulation
[10:17:01] <BeachBumPete> he found the transformer for the doorbell quite easily ;)
[10:17:07] <Loetmichel> i bet ;)
[10:17:12] <Tom_itx> not if it hasn't gotten bad enough yet
[10:17:12] <BeachBumPete> you better hope not LOL
[10:17:32] <Loetmichel> those transforerms notoriously run hot
[10:17:39] <BeachBumPete> yup
[10:17:52] <BeachBumPete> I would probably remove it and put one of the newer cordless ones in there anyway
[10:18:35] * Loetmichel remade all the electrics of the flat when i moved in
[10:19:13] <Loetmichel> 3 fuses before. i for the oven, one for the washing machine, one for the rest of the flat.
[10:19:31] <BeachBumPete> fuses?
[10:19:40] <Loetmichel> ... not its a bit more ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3209&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:19:41] <BeachBumPete> whatsa fuse? LOL
[10:19:57] <Loetmichel> was quite a bit of messy work tho...
[10:20:00] <gregcnc> resetable fuse
[10:20:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3200&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:20:46] <gregcnc> I hope the house works out for you, that's gotta be getting old not having a home?
[10:21:18] <Loetmichel> (also got in two RCDs int here: one for the whole flat, one especially for the bathrooms and the balcony wall outlets)
[10:21:51] <BeachBumPete> gregcnc you can say that again...
[10:21:54] <enleth> what do you think of using chromoly steel for tooling fabrication without any later hardening?
[10:21:59] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: its a bit out of my paycheck to buy/build my own house here in germany.
[10:22:24] <BeachBumPete> I mean we are staying in my mothers Condo here which is quite nice but driving an hour north to work every day and back is getting real old and real expensive
[10:22:25] <Loetmichel> so i am stuck with renting
[10:22:31] <gregcnc> Is housing in Germany expensive?
[10:22:32] <enleth> This Old Tony posted another video of some tooling made from that steel, seems to work
[10:23:05] <gregcnc> An our, pshh chicago land that's like 15 miles
[10:23:10] <gregcnc> hour
[10:23:11] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: renting is not THAT expensive. its about 500 eur to 1000 eur without utility depending on size and where you live
[10:23:18] <BeachBumPete> yeah its like 52 miles one way
[10:23:19] <Loetmichel> for a reasonable flat
[10:23:33] <Loetmichel> but building even a small house will set you back about 500k eur.
[10:23:50] <Loetmichel> unless you go out in the country where is no infrastructure at all
[10:24:04] <BeachBumPete> you could not pay me to live in Chicagoland ;)
[10:24:54] <BeachBumPete> we drove up there awhile back to watch my Stepson's graduation ceremony at the Naval training center
[10:25:12] <BeachBumPete> what a disastrous traffice scene there is over there
[10:25:17] <Loetmichel> so about two thirds of german popuilation live in rented houses/flats over here in germany
[10:25:48] <Tom_itx> sounds like the trick is to own them to rent then
[10:26:11] <BeachBumPete> 1000 eur for how many bedrooms? how many sq feet?
[10:26:46] <Tom_itx> most are alot smaller than you're used to
[10:26:59] <CaptHindsight> I once had to yank two sinks out of a 4 flat to make it an official 2 flat to pass inspection
[10:27:00] <BeachBumPete> rent here is kinda high unfortunately
[10:27:28] <CaptHindsight> after the inspection the sinks went back in and everyone was happy
[10:27:36] <BeachBumPete> typical 3/2 home with garage is like 14-1500 a month
[10:28:01] <Loetmichel> BeachBumPete: i live in a flat near frankfurt am main. its 1000 sq feet, 1 bedroom, 2 "childs rooms", kitchen, living room, bathroom,2nd toilet room, 2 balconys.
[10:28:20] <Loetmichel> and costs 1100 eur plus untilitys and gas for heating/warm water
[10:28:25] <Loetmichel> a month
[10:28:41] <Loetmichel> the garage is 50 eur a month extra
[10:29:20] <BeachBumPete> that does not sound too terrible really
[10:29:33] <BeachBumPete> define CHILDS room
[10:29:54] <Loetmichel> 2 extra bedrooms meant for children (small)
[10:30:21] <BeachBumPete> like how small? less than 10x10?
[10:30:53] <CaptHindsight> big closet
[10:31:13] <BeachBumPete> sounds like your typical florida 3 bdrm reasonably priced condo
[10:31:19] <CaptHindsight> does it have it's own closet? Does it have any windows?
[10:31:27] <Loetmichel> we use one as my "hobby room", its 9*12ft, the other for a "guest room/clothes drying racks" which is 7ft by 9 ft
[10:31:32] <CaptHindsight> it's/its
[10:31:43] <Loetmichel> all rooms have windows
[10:31:58] <Loetmichel> we have no "build in closets" over here in germany usually
[10:32:27] <BeachBumPete> its gonna suck if we can't get that house
[10:32:35] <BeachBumPete> it had HUGE closets in every room
[10:33:07] <BeachBumPete> I am so bummed out about this now but oh well if it does not happen we will just have to keep looking
[10:33:16] <Loetmichel> my "hobby" room needs a cleanup tho ;)
[10:33:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9033&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
[10:33:42] <CaptHindsight> around here they just ask you to get the modifications approved by an architect and pay the fees for a permit
[10:33:50] <Loetmichel> (its a bit better now, because i got some more racks, but not that much better ;)
[10:33:56] <BeachBumPete> this house had a rather large laundry room that was gonna be kind of my HOBBY room
[10:34:04] <CaptHindsight> so at most it's an extra few $k in fees
[10:34:21] <gregcnc> in IL it's all about the money
[10:34:33] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight I hope so and that it is in the cards for the seller to pay that price
[10:34:49] <BeachBumPete> gregcnc its all about the money everywhere man....
[10:35:20] <gregcnc> yeah
[10:35:23] <BeachBumPete> altho I will say that the loan officer told me that if it is not permitted and we buy it anyway and there is a fire in that part of the house we are screwed without the permitted proof
[10:36:11] <CaptHindsight> so be sure to only have fires in the original parts of the house
[10:36:16] <gregcnc> the current owner is taking that risk
[10:36:19] <BeachBumPete> so some of it is justified anyways.. lets face it there are LOTS of idiots that modify thier homes who don't know what the hell they are doing and can cause some serious issues
[10:36:38] <CaptHindsight> flippers
[10:36:53] <BeachBumPete> LOL this house IS a flip
[10:37:00] <BeachBumPete> but the flipper is a certified GC
[10:37:01] <gregcnc> we have to get serious about moving too
[10:37:07] <CaptHindsight> that show was painful to watch
[10:37:11] <Loetmichel> BeachBumPete: be glad that you dont live in germany
[10:37:28] <CaptHindsight> tj says Thailand is nice
[10:37:32] <BeachBumPete> Loetmichel honestly I now live where I really wanted to live
[10:37:42] <CaptHindsight> warm, lots of beach and elephants
[10:37:45] <Loetmichel> my sister bought a small 600sqft house on two stories (buildt in the 60ties) last year.
[10:37:48] <BeachBumPete> I really missed the ocean and awesome fishing
[10:38:13] <Loetmichel> they are still fighting with the architect and the state to get the permit to expand it to roughly 1200 sq feet ;)
[10:38:23] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight I have friends who went there on vacation and said they loved it....not for me man :D
[10:39:24] <CaptHindsight> how is it in Arizona? besides the crazy sheriffs?
[10:39:49] <Loetmichel> last stumbling stone was an old fir tree at the corner of the preises that would die if they make a proper foundation for the extension... took them about 4 months to get the permit to fell it ;)
[10:39:49] <BeachBumPete> hes probably the only sane one ;)
[10:40:13] <Loetmichel> s/fell/cut it down
[10:40:44] <Loetmichel> s/preises/premises
[10:44:26] <robin__> I'm always amazed by american houses ...
[10:45:10] <robin__> they even look real, its only when you see them going up you reallise they are just built from thin wood panels and rendered
[10:45:18] <Erant> I have too many projects lined up :/
[10:45:36] <Erant> And so many of them are just tools. Some of them to build other tools. :P
[10:45:43] <robin__> "too many projects" ... ??
[10:45:48] <robin__> is that even possible?
[10:46:18] <Erant> BeachBumPete: But all your machines made it from TN?
[10:46:22] <Erant> Intact?
[10:46:33] <BeachBumPete> Erant sure
[10:46:41] <BeachBumPete> they are in storage right now
[10:46:47] <Erant> robin__: It's mostly the too little time that's the issue.
[10:47:14] <robin__> ah, that problem
[10:47:20] <BeachBumPete> the longer we are homeless they longer they are not doing me any good tho
[10:47:35] <robin__> houses are cheap in the USA
[10:47:55] <robin__> you'll get one
[10:48:06] <robin__> my business ptnr is thinking of Kentucky ...
[10:48:21] <robin__> man, there are some really nice properties for $nothing
[10:48:52] <Erant> robin__: I beg to differ.
[10:49:14] <Erant> You don't want to know how much I paid for my place in San Francisco ;)
[10:49:27] <robin__> well, sure, cali is a different matter
[10:49:34] <robin__> hes in Ventura at the moment
[10:49:48] <BeachBumPete> I beg to differ as well. for me EVERYTHING seems ridiculously priced anymore
[10:49:54] <robin__> its about the same as England there, silly money
[10:50:37] <robin__> there must be a downside to Kentucky? its crazy cheap housing thats for sure
[10:51:28] <BeachBumPete> maybe if you are okay with living in a manufactured home
[10:52:00] <robin__> weve seen nice farm properties, with good sized barns (read: workshops) for 250k
[10:52:28] <robin__> and 500K gets you more space than you could wish for
[10:52:49] <BeachBumPete> and I guess to you 250 is chump change then
[10:53:46] <robin__> it's cheap compared to UK .. minimum in UK for a 3 bed semi is around 200K, thats 300K dollars
[10:54:09] <Erant> BeachBumPete: I hate the manufactured homes.
[10:55:25] <BeachBumPete> it depends honestly I had friends in Tennessee who lived in some nicer ones they are not terrible. Some are pretty bad tho just depends on what you are used to I suppose. In Tennessee most people buy a large piece of land and buy one to live in while they build their home on the property
[10:55:49] <Erant> Yeah, I'm not sure where I'd move after I'm done here... I most certainly want a large workshop.
[10:56:15] <robin__> I'd just buy land and park a trailer on it for a couple of years
[10:56:29] <BeachBumPete> so do I but my wife wants a nice home so we have to go that route instead of the commercial building I would want with an upstairs turned into a house LOL
[10:56:31] <robin__> and build something
[10:57:28] <robin__> I saw a real nice thing in kentucky, nice famrhouse built over a conrete workshop underground :)
[10:57:55] <robin__> 3000 sq feet underneath,
[10:58:26] <BeachBumPete> its unfortunate because the laws here in florida are pretty ridiculous for building a house. Unless you are very wealthy and can skirt some of it the idea of building a very different house is not happening
[11:00:36] <BeachBumPete> when we first came down here there was a large treehouse for sale in Port St. Lucie that had a nice 2 car garage/shop in a seperate building on the property but my wife would not have any of it LOL
[11:02:11] <FloppyDisk> Oh - I hadthought you were going to buy that one - sorry to hear that (the house w/ the shop).
[11:02:40] <FloppyDisk> I think I looked up one of the addresses somehow and you were not far from the beach, just a short drive. Good luck on finding a place.
[11:02:40] <BeachBumPete> right now we don't know what we are going to be buying heh
[11:03:07] <BeachBumPete> oh no man the beach is not far at all from anywhere in PSL really.. maybe 15 minutes at most?
[11:03:22] <FloppyDisk> Nice...
[11:03:41] <BeachBumPete> the beaches here are really beautiful too...
[11:03:51] <robin__> Oh ..florida ...
[11:03:59] <robin__> yeah, you are screwed lol
[11:04:05] <robin__> Texas ...
[11:04:24] <robin__> they recently abdoned all building control in some areas
[11:04:34] <robin__> by the land, do what the hell you want
[11:05:00] <robin__> but yeah, housing in FL is as expensive as Cali
[11:05:35] <BeachBumPete> hehehe NO it is definitely not at least not in most places...
[11:06:07] <BeachBumPete> Cali is insane expensive....if it were not we would probably be living near my wife's parts in Norcal.
[11:06:39] <BeachBumPete> now if you are talking Palm Beach or beachside Miami yeah it is stupid expensive
[11:07:11] <robin__> http://www.landandfarm.com/property/158_ACRES_Butler_CO_-2883178/
[11:07:42] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/H1KtUDV
[11:08:29] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/xJNhNlI.jpg
[11:09:41] <robin__> yep, thats a beach
[11:10:21] <BeachBumPete> yup right near my house ;)
[11:11:45] <robin__> yup, anyhting within a few miles of a beach like that is going to be expensive
[11:12:54] <robin__> I drove through Malibu once ... I think they had garages priced out at more than my house lol
[11:13:07] <BeachBumPete> easily
[11:15:45] <maxcnc> hi
[11:17:03] <maxcnc> weatrher is ok so far not what the wetherservice prdicted
[11:20:25] <robin__> wut? .. you are saying the weather srvc was WRONG? .. never happens ;)
[11:28:30] <maxcnc> tornado hail ... and we got a vew drops and sunshine
[11:33:20] <maxcnc> http://www.unwetterzentrale.de/uwz/
[11:33:28] <maxcnc> its building up
[11:33:37] <maxcnc> so i decided to stay
[11:35:50] <Deejay> sunshine is in the air
[11:36:34] <maxcnc> dark clouds
[11:36:43] <maxcnc> many time to do homepage prog
[11:51:18] <maxcnc> geting darker by the minutes
[12:08:34] <zeeshan> anyone 4 wheel here?
[12:10:29] <archivist> a wheely good time?
[12:11:00] <roycroft> my car has four wheels
[12:11:07] <roycroft> so does my pickup
[12:11:24] <JT-Shop> let me see 2, 3, 4, tracks, 4w diff lock on both kubotos
[12:11:25] <zeeshan> trying to figure out this terrain select stuff
[12:11:28] <zeeshan> not sure whats going on
[12:11:33] <roycroft> my bicycle only has two wheels now
[12:11:33] <zeeshan> it gives mud/rock
[12:11:33] <zeeshan> etc
[12:11:35] <roycroft> it used to have four
[12:11:35] <zeeshan> for the options
[12:11:39] <roycroft> but i outgrew that
[12:11:40] <zeeshan> what is it varying
[12:12:16] <archivist> read the fm
[12:13:23] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[12:14:18] <roycroft> i've been asking about motors/vfds over the past day, and have gotten a number of conflicting opinions on the motor
[12:14:25] <roycroft> different set of folks here this morning, so i'll ask once more
[12:14:39] <roycroft> the project is a belt grinder that will get intermittent use
[12:14:46] <roycroft> i'm looking for a 2hp motor for it
[12:14:53] <roycroft> i need it to be 3450rpm
[12:15:10] <roycroft> i've found some "inverter rated" motors but they're very expensive and none have a base rpm faster than 1800
[12:15:31] <roycroft> for the intermittent use that this will see, would a general purpose motor likely work out well?
[12:15:36] <zeeshan> thats cause theyre meant to operate at low rpm
[12:15:37] <archivist> sure
[12:15:57] <zeeshan> they usually have fins on the casting
[12:16:01] <zeeshan> and externally powered fan
[12:16:03] <roycroft> what i've ascertained is that the "inverter rated" ones can withstand heat better
[12:16:05] <roycroft> yes
[12:16:13] <zeeshan> you dont need that for your grinder
[12:16:16] <zeeshan> youre going at a constant rpm|
[12:16:16] <roycroft> and the speed will not really be that much of an issue
[12:16:18] <archivist> sometimes all they mean is it has star/delta connections
[12:16:18] <zeeshan> at high rpm
[12:16:28] <roycroft> i would NOT be running it at a constant rpm
[12:16:35] <roycroft> but i would also not run it at a low rpm
[12:16:37] <zeeshan> whats your lowest rpm
[12:16:42] <roycroft> 1500rpm is likely the lowest rpm
[12:16:42] <SpeedEvil> Adding a fan can help lots
[12:16:44] <roycroft> maybe 900
[12:16:50] <roycroft> but rarely that low
[12:16:52] <SpeedEvil> but yes, belt grinder is irrelevant
[12:16:54] <zeeshan> you'll be fine
[12:16:59] <roycroft> so i think the shaft-mounted fan should be fine
[12:17:13] <archivist> well within normal range for standard motor
[12:17:22] <roycroft> if i'm gonna run it at 10rpm i'll just get out a sanding pad and do the work by hand
[12:17:40] <roycroft> ok, thanks
[12:17:52] <roycroft> this is the conclusion i was drawing, and you all have confirmed it
[12:18:01] <roycroft> that just saved me about $400 on the motor
[12:18:10] <roycroft> and i don't have to worry about the low base rpm
[12:18:30] <archivist> 2hp seems a lot, how wide is the belt
[12:18:31] <SpeedEvil> If it starts smelling wierd, you're at too low a RPM
[12:18:36] <SpeedEvil> quite
[12:18:44] <roycroft> my understanding is that i should get full torque or close to that from 0 to base rpm, but if i push it beyond base rpm torque drops off dramatically
[12:18:45] <roycroft> 2"
[12:18:58] <SpeedEvil> you can do 2hp in a 2" belt.
[12:19:03] <roycroft> my current grinder is 1", with a 3/4hp motor, and i could use a more powerful motor for it
[12:19:11] <roycroft> so i figure for 2" i should double it and add some
[12:19:14] <roycroft> which is how i came up with 2hp
[12:19:16] <archivist> I cant imagine you using 2hp on a 2" belt
[12:19:34] <SpeedEvil> But you're going to need to be pressing so hard that you'll fuck the paper in no time.
[12:19:46] <SpeedEvil> What are you grinding?
[12:19:48] <roycroft> i'm not a knifemaker, but the knifemaker crowd are the ones who are really into belt grinders
[12:19:58] <roycroft> and they generally use 2hp or 3hp motors on their 2x72 grinders
[12:20:02] <roycroft> metal
[12:20:03] <roycroft> :)
[12:20:10] <archivist> they have very long belts iirc
[12:20:15] <SpeedEvil> If you're removing a _lot_ of stock
[12:20:15] <roycroft> yes, 72"
[12:20:22] <roycroft> which is what mine will have
[12:20:52] <roycroft> this is for general fabrication/cleanup
[12:21:19] <roycroft> it will see everything from thin aluminium sheet to 2" or more stainless steel
[12:21:34] <roycroft> which is why i was not specific above
[12:22:46] <roycroft> i have a 6"x60" belt sander for woodworking
[12:22:57] <roycroft> so i would not ever be doing any sanding with this grinder
[12:23:11] <roycroft> it will live in a different shop from where i do woodworking anyway
[12:23:40] <roycroft> so one other thing
[12:23:49] <roycroft> i've been looking at 1.5kw vfds
[12:24:09] <roycroft> someone suggested that i get a 2.2kw one, as 1.5kw is right at the limit to drive a 2hp motor
[12:24:22] <roycroft> any thoughts on that?
[12:24:28] <roycroft> i will be pushing the motor at times
[12:25:10] <archivist> get the bigger vfd
[12:25:17] <roycroft> i'd think a 2.2kw vfd would not get as hot as a 1.5kw under heavy load, all other factors being equal
[12:26:06] <archivist> there is a rule of thumb how much over the motor but cannot remember exact amount
[12:26:10] <roycroft> the 2.2kw units are not that much more expensive
[12:26:56] <roycroft> some of the chinese ones are just over $100
[12:27:04] <roycroft> so cheap it's almost worth buying one just to see if it works
[12:27:49] <archivist> I was running one close to motor size and it fried
[12:28:05] <roycroft> that's not a good thing
[12:28:27] <roycroft> and especially if i try one of the cheap chinese ones it would be good to have some buffer
[12:28:37] <[cube]> finished these last night...still not tested
[12:28:39] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/uZZ1I
[12:28:46] <[cube]> not sure how good they'll work
[12:28:56] <[cube]> might cut some bristles off the brush one
[12:28:59] <roycroft> the motor i'm looking at is a quality motor though
[12:29:14] <roycroft> leeson, and i've always had great luck with leeson motors
[12:32:33] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-2KW-3HP-VFD-10A-220V-SINGLE-PHASE-SPEED-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-/301922649523?hash=item464bfe05b3:g:fHMAAOSw-RRXBx7F
[12:32:41] <roycroft> so does that look like it's worth playing with?
[12:33:38] <roycroft> it's more like free than expensive, but it still costs a nice sushi dinner
[12:34:06] <archivist> only 96.7 feedback
[12:34:14] <BeachBumPete> I used to have a Teco small HP drive that worked flawlessly...
[12:34:27] <roycroft> yeah, that concerns me a bit
[12:34:32] <roycroft> but it ships from california
[12:34:48] <roycroft> which makes it easier to get my money back if it is defective
[12:36:29] <roycroft> negatives are mostly complaints about damage in shipping or items never showing up
[12:37:08] <roycroft> but that's just an example - there are a dozen or more other vendors for the same item at about the same price
[12:38:17] <roycroft> almost all of them ship out of "ontario california"
[12:38:23] <roycroft> which in many cases means china
[12:38:34] <roycroft> but the return shipping address would be in ontario, and that's the only issue
[12:38:50] <archivist> for my new to me drive I got a 2nd hand lenze drive at a sensible price
[12:38:54] <roycroft> some of those vendors require that defective items be returned for a refund, and shipping to china is expensive
[12:41:15] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ABB-Inverter-ACS150-01E-09A8-2-2-2KW-/172200310420?hash=item2817f03694:g:3SYAAOSw3zxXL-9X
[12:41:23] <roycroft> that's not a bad price for a quality inverter
[12:42:00] <roycroft> but still 4x as much as the cheap ones
[12:42:17] <archivist> ew that seller even worse feedback
[12:43:12] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/INVT-inverter-CHF100-2R2G-4-2-2KW-380V-good-in-condition-for-industry-use-/151771243302?hash=item2356456326:g:R08AAOSwu4BVxAJJ
[12:43:18] <roycroft> that's used, but still not a bad price
[12:44:11] <roycroft> decent but not outstanding feedback, but <1000 feedbacks
[12:44:23] <archivist> the bad feedback of the ABB seller claimed not new
[12:44:48] <roycroft> oh, the invt is 380v
[12:44:52] <roycroft> never mind
[12:46:19] <roycroft> new invt units are about $320
[12:47:01] <roycroft> i just have a hard time buying from chinese sellers with low feedback numbers
[12:47:14] <roycroft> i like at least 1000 feedbacks, preferably a lot more
[12:47:59] <roycroft> there are a *lot* of 380v inverters - what application uses that voltage?
[12:51:02] <archivist> normal motor
[12:51:33] <archivist> star wired, rewire to delta for 220
[12:55:26] <archivist> heh an auction to catch the unwary
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mikron-gear-hob-cutter-/231975398312?
[12:56:06] <archivist> seller clueless not showing the form properly
[12:56:35] <archivist> looks like a ratchet hob, not a gear hob
[13:11:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-Model-Max-1-Rebel-CNC-Machining-Center-20-ATC-with-Fanuc-OM-Control/182165523391
[13:12:04] <CaptHindsight> Item location: Sellersville,
[13:13:35] <CaptHindsight> is this the junk CNC made to drill a few holes in the gun stock?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ghost-Gunner-2-CNC-Brand-new-never-used/252414923897
[13:15:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-5-X-17-7-Y-Yam-CNC-3-A-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-Fanuc-OM-Control/152095267803 $3k
[13:16:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Mori-Seiki-MV-45-40-Vertical-Mill/181216515583 $3500
[13:16:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUI-SEIKI-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER/401048842728 $2900
[13:17:21] <roycroft> it just occured to me that i have a sheldon horizontal mill which is non-functional at the moment that has a 3 phase motor
[13:17:44] <roycroft> i might be able to use that for my grinder, although i should think it would be a 1725rpm or so motor
[13:17:51] <CaptHindsight> rob from the broken and give to the ....
[13:17:57] <roycroft> and quite possible <2hp, as it's a small mill
[13:18:11] <archivist> fix the mill!
[13:18:17] <roycroft> that's a project
[13:18:23] <roycroft> stealing its motor would not be a big deal
[13:18:32] <roycroft> it just means buying a motor later instead of now
[13:18:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsui-Seiki-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-4-axis-Model-VS3A/172234667609 $6k or best
[13:18:55] <CaptHindsight> 4 axis ^^^
[13:19:04] <roycroft> the mill has a funky mechanical variable speed control that involves an expanding sheave
[13:19:17] <roycroft> and the whole motor linkage to the mill is missing
[13:19:39] <roycroft> just putting in a long v-belt and a single standard sheave and a vfd would probably be the best way to fix that
[13:31:39] <roycroft> it's the queen's second 90th birthday today
[13:31:48] <roycroft> partaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
[14:44:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/xIw0fHA.jpg
[14:44:22] <zeeshan> :-)
[14:49:16] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Nice! money money
[14:49:23] <zeeshan> yessir
[14:49:30] <zeeshan> that fixture was worth the extra effort
[14:49:39] <malcom2073> Definently
[14:50:08] <zeeshan> i realized, i dont need to make fixtures as accurate anymore
[14:50:12] <zeeshan> cause you can just dial them in
[14:50:15] <zeeshan> as long as you have a reference point
[14:50:28] <zeeshan> whats important is relative position of things
[14:52:48] <yasnak> iemca needs to do less work on their advertising and more work on their broken Italian translated manuals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGOAEaINc0k
[14:53:29] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fnr5HoQnLU&index=2&list=PLuyrOmBNPXoMpXBxwQkYzmzqI9pA8VTh5 haha different "epic" music
[14:58:30] <t12> what are those
[14:59:18] <yasnak> iemca are the barloaders, the machines are traub index
[14:59:28] <t12> i mean zeeshans fixture parts
[14:59:34] <yasnak> haha, sorry.
[14:59:36] <t12> thats a big plant!
[14:59:47] <malcom2073> smoke rollers
[15:00:00] <t12> anyone ever run 3phase motored equipment off of a NG generator?
[15:01:05] <JT-Shop> yea, I have a diesel 3 phase generator
[15:01:15] <t12> issues?
[15:01:25] <t12> how far overcapacity do you really need for starting?
[15:01:37] <JT-Shop> I only use it when I have a power outage
[15:01:51] <t12> i imagine that you can slowstart stuff to get around the starting load
[15:01:54] <JT-Shop> do you have single phase 240vac?
[15:02:04] <t12> i have city utility power, but its too hard to get it to 3ph
[15:02:16] <yasnak> JT, you run *cnc* machines straight off the generator then?
[15:02:19] <t12> i think getting a NG generator might be cheaper than getting house circuit
[15:02:24] <JT-Shop> you don't need 3 phase just make a RPC
[15:02:45] <t12> house is pretty maxed out
[15:02:53] <JT-Shop> much better than a generator and a 3 phase generator is not cheap
[15:03:15] <JT-Shop> what size service do you have?
[15:03:17] <t12> 100A
[15:03:22] <JT-Shop> ouch
[15:03:24] <t12> yeah
[15:03:33] <t12> i could upgrade it all, but then likely need to rewire a lot of the house
[15:03:38] <t12> thats why i figured genset is cheaper
[15:03:41] <JT-Shop> can they upgrade it to 200a
[15:04:00] <JT-Shop> not really just change the 100a panel for a 200a panel
[15:04:18] <t12> why do you prefer RPC?
[15:04:25] <JT-Shop> I'm guessing you have not priced a 3 phase generator
[15:04:33] <t12> small NG ones arent too bad
[15:04:34] <t12> 5-10k
[15:04:41] <t12> but i dont know if they'll actually do the job, hence my ?
[15:05:02] <JT-Shop> need to know your load and size from there
[15:05:12] <t12> it's really for light use, so i'm not so worried about duty cycle so much
[15:05:27] <JT-Shop> I know for a fact that I'd change my panel before buying a 10k generator
[15:05:42] <t12> just want to be able to get 3ph air compressor, manual mill, lathe, plasma, etc
[15:05:48] <t12> simultanious use not really needed
[15:05:48] <t12> hum
[15:05:52] <t12> i will investigate
[15:05:55] <JT-Shop> let me see a $150 panel vs a 10k generator
[15:06:15] <JT-Shop> do you know how to make a RPC?
[15:06:18] <t12> yeah
[15:06:32] <JT-Shop> ok I was going to give my link
[15:06:58] <t12> maybe i'm overestimating the hassle of messing with the house circuits
[15:07:08] <JT-Shop> yep
[15:07:23] <JT-Shop> I've change a few panels and it's not hard
[15:07:39] <JT-Shop> what is the meter base rated at?
[15:08:16] <t12> sec checking
[15:10:59] <t12> meter will do 200a
[15:11:04] <t12> if i'm reading correctly
[15:11:10] <JT-Shop> then your golden
[15:11:49] <t12> thanks for advice!
[15:12:00] <t12> other next step is a pad and a 20ft container
[15:12:01] <JT-Shop> np
[15:29:13] <CaptHindsight> t12: do you think it will be difficult for me to get funding for my designer babies project? :)
[15:31:58] <t12> lol
[15:32:00] <t12> what kind of funding
[15:32:16] <t12> i'm suprised how many people arent immediately revolted by the idea of designer babies
[15:36:24] <CaptHindsight> t12: you pick your features, inseminate it and forget it!
[15:36:53] <CaptHindsight> already working on the infomercial
[15:37:38] <CaptHindsight> maybe pets first
[15:38:03] <CaptHindsight> like re-pet only without the mind transfer
[15:39:07] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOBqRVDOYQ
[15:39:30] <t12> hah
[15:39:32] <yasnak> If only I could get the guys on the floor to turn shit off at the end of the day...let alone survive not dying all day long
[15:39:42] <yasnak> sigh
[15:39:56] <t12> i like how relaxed they are
[15:39:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtoLvF_TlSA RePet Infomercial
[15:40:10] <FloppyDisk> Just don't run the machines when the stove or electric dryer are running and you'll be fine...
[15:40:19] <CaptHindsight> well nobody ever got hurt before and it's a steady job
[15:40:51] <FloppyDisk> Depends on how old and where you house is how easy upgrading from 100A to 200A will be.
[15:41:03] <CaptHindsight> and the press has plenty of headroom
[15:41:04] <t12> house is old but panel is not as old as the house
[15:41:24] <t12> the ? is if I need utility to run more wire to pole
[15:42:08] <CaptHindsight> anything pole related other than cut and reconnect typically requires a permit and a contractor
[15:42:17] <t12> electrician told me that around here lots of old houses have too small of gauge to the pole
[15:42:29] <t12> + the idea that its implicitly air cooled wire
[15:42:40] <CaptHindsight> #8 and a steel support wire?
[15:42:41] <t12> yeah, thats the can of worms
[15:42:50] <t12> if pg&e shows up do i create can of worms
[15:43:19] <CaptHindsight> they typically won't touch it until they get clearance from the city
[15:43:51] <CaptHindsight> plus if the outside drop catches fire it's not your fault
[15:44:11] <CaptHindsight> and if it does they will replace it for free
[15:44:23] <t12> i discovered recently that all the 3prong outlets are in fact not grounded
[15:44:33] <t12> this whole house is lol
[15:44:55] <t12> once someone ran over my natural gas meter with their car
[15:45:00] <CaptHindsight> so best bet is put a >200A load right at the meter, watch it melt, call the utility co
[15:45:04] <t12> and the car was on top of the high pressure side shutoff
[15:45:10] <t12> pg&e did respond very rapidly
[15:45:37] <CaptHindsight> Hello PG&E:
[15:45:46] <CaptHindsight> is it on fire?
[15:45:49] <t12> maybe that exploding pipeline still has them on their toes
[15:46:09] <CaptHindsight> is it on the news?
[15:46:27] <t12> lady ran over the meter, then was all freaked out and nervous standing next to it
[15:46:32] <t12> and goes to light a cigarette for nerves
[15:46:40] <t12> i'm like STOP MOVE NO
[15:46:58] <CaptHindsight> oh you almost qualified for emergency repair
[15:47:17] <t12> almost qualified for new house/insurance
[15:47:26] <CaptHindsight> where was the meter located to be even bale to be hit by a car?
[15:47:35] <CaptHindsight> bale/able
[15:47:37] <t12> front of the house, theres a fence in front of it
[15:47:49] <t12> car crashed through fence
[15:49:03] <CaptHindsight> how close to the house is/was the meter?
[15:49:14] <t12> about 15ft
[15:49:29] <CaptHindsight> they typically put them right on the outside wall of the building here
[15:50:25] <t12> does anyone make inkjet heads that accept many different fluids?
[15:50:37] <CaptHindsight> well yes and no
[15:50:38] <t12> beyond colors
[15:50:53] <CaptHindsight> they are really designed for a narrow range of fluids
[15:50:54] <t12> like if i want to inkjet 128+ individual chemicals
[15:51:03] <CaptHindsight> viscosity, surface tension etc
[15:51:15] <t12> could be low concentration and mostly carrier
[15:51:34] <CaptHindsight> as long as they are all ~1- cPs at 25 C you have a starting chance
[15:51:46] <CaptHindsight> next is surface tension and vapor pressure
[15:51:56] <CaptHindsight> ~10 cPs at 15C
[15:52:23] <CaptHindsight> ahhh ~10 cPs at 25 C (final answer)
[15:52:27] <t12> i have an idea for individual pill barcoding at pill press/coat time
[15:52:51] <t12> for pharma manufacture/le/anticounterfieting
[15:54:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah they have several options for that
[15:54:51] <t12> apparently its a large problem for malaria drugs
[15:54:55] <t12> people selling expired/diluted stuff
[15:54:59] <t12> and outright fake
[15:55:21] <t12> suprisingly they do forensics on the packaging inks
[15:55:34] <CaptHindsight> you just need you 129+ chems to have the same rheology
[15:55:41] <t12> yeah thats kinda the worry
[15:55:58] <t12> there might be enough pre-approved coatings, food dyes, etc
[15:56:05] <CaptHindsight> so you don't it that way
[15:56:10] <t12> another way is by oligo
[15:56:21] <t12> then theres also more readout options
[15:56:24] <CaptHindsight> quantum dot
[15:56:37] <CaptHindsight> i think that the oligo method has been patented
[15:56:39] <t12> but approval might be worse for that
[15:56:53] <t12> new application == new patent
[15:57:15] <t12> even if it needed to be licensed, thats fine
[15:57:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.adnas.com/
[15:58:01] <CaptHindsight> I'm obsoleting them
[15:58:02] <t12> i think the real $ is moving for FDA regulation requiring it for sched II
[15:58:17] <CaptHindsight> pretty sure thats already done
[15:58:18] <t12> and then being the only person positioned to execute on the regulation
[15:58:56] <CaptHindsight> all you'll have to do is read the sequences and print your own the next day
[15:59:07] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[15:59:28] <t12> theres ways to fix that
[15:59:31] <t12> k
[16:06:10] <CaptHindsight> synthesize oligos with bases that are not from nature
[16:06:23] <t12> really i want per pill id
[16:06:46] <t12> which means it has to be all selectable/dispensable in realtime
[16:08:07] <t12> hence inkjet
[16:26:08] <enleth> t12: you said it's 5-10k for a generator, is it really much more than that to get 3 phase power hooked up ot the building?
[16:26:28] <t12> in residental, maybe
[16:27:10] <enleth> t12: is there a 3 phase line on the poles/in the ground?
[16:27:41] <t12> unsure if the poles are 3ph or not. Still to get utility to run it is alot
[16:28:24] <t12> this is all home hobby/not for money stuff so
[16:30:23] <enleth> hm, not sure how it's done where you live, here one of the ways to cut the cost down is to pay the utility company to run a new cable right up to your fence and put a new meter box there, then lay the new cable on your property yourself (or find an electrician not affiliated with the utility who charges less than they would)
[16:31:46] <t12> every local case i've heard about has cost ALOT
[16:31:52] <t12> many thousands
[16:31:55] <enleth> you still have to get an electrician to hook it up and sign the paperwork, but at least you don't have to pay them to dig
[16:31:55] <t12> 10-30k
[16:32:00] <enleth> oh well
[16:32:18] <t12> but its not like i've quoted it with them
[16:35:01] <enleth> that *might* just be an investment, though - if it costs so much, a house with a completely new 3-phase power connection is going to be worth appropriately more when the time comes to sell it
[16:35:25] <t12> not around here
[16:35:30] <t12> if i had infinity money i'd just do it
[16:36:14] <t12> my house is a weird situation, the structure de-values the lot
[16:36:40] <XXCoder> t12: its that ugly?
[16:36:55] <t12> the only reason to buy it is to wipe the lot and build to max allowed
[17:40:18] <Deejay> gn8
[18:52:33] <roycroft> awesome
[18:52:49] <roycroft> i made an offer on a us-made dayton motor, brand new scratch and dent, and got it for $135
[18:54:50] <XXCoder> way to go
[18:55:19] <roycroft> yeah, and i appreciate the advice folks here gave me about the motor
[18:55:32] <roycroft> i really didn't want to pay $600+ for an inverter rated one
[18:55:47] <roycroft> you all saved me a lot of $$
[18:55:55] * roycroft buys a round for the channel
[18:56:09] <roycroft> actually, there's a lot of people on this channel
[18:56:19] <roycroft> buying a round might cost most of the money i saved :)
[18:56:28] <XXCoder> c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_] c[_]
[18:56:36] <roycroft> i'll buy a round for them that helped out
[18:56:57] <XXCoder> some pizza? (%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%>(%> pepperoni mmm
[18:57:06] <roycroft> i make really good pizza
[18:57:21] <roycroft> i'm not a meat eater though
[18:57:30] <roycroft> i don't mind using meat when i cook for others
[18:57:37] <XXCoder> sure some cheese ones ( > ( > ( > ( > ( > ( > ( > ( > ( >
[18:57:42] <roycroft> but i have no idea if i make decent pepperoni pizza
[18:58:03] <roycroft> how about sun dried tomatoes, roasted garlic, and eggplant?
[18:58:22] <XXCoder> (@> (@> (@>
[18:59:38] * roycroft heads back to the shop before he starts drooling
[18:59:43] <XXCoder> lol later
[19:19:04] <CaptHindsight> t12: I understand. It's already being done.
[19:20:25] <XXCoder> just put jaws on my router and fixed it in
[19:20:27] <XXCoder> works great!
[19:20:37] <XXCoder> plan to play around with it soon
[19:25:27] <malcom2073> jaws?
[19:25:36] <XXCoder> vise heh
[19:25:46] <malcom2073> Ah cool, pics?
[19:26:03] <XXCoder> nah, lemme find link to that vise though, its nicely low profile
[19:26:28] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001LQY4O
[19:26:39] <XXCoder> fairly cheap too
[19:27:08] <malcom2073> Ah cool, got one of those at work on a drill press
[19:27:13] <XXCoder> side bolt slots do not line up on my router grooves but I just align one side and clamp down other. tight enough.
[21:05:41] <XXCoder> BAH!
[21:05:53] <XXCoder> Y axis anti-backlash coupler managed to work itself loose
[21:17:55] <Duc_mobile> how did it manage that
[21:21:52] <XXCoder> not sure, retighening it now
[21:27:52] <Duc_mobile> I need to find a cold saw blade
[21:29:44] <XXCoder> replacing the dfang bolts
[21:29:51] <XXCoder> it got stripped a little
[21:30:55] <XXCoder> not threads side but bolt head
[21:38:53] <XXCoder> sigh
[21:38:57] <XXCoder> it cant be removed
[21:45:25] <XXCoder> Duc_mobile: I got lucky
[21:45:34] <XXCoder> the bolt that can't be removed is not end that spun
[21:45:46] <XXCoder> other end that did was removable, replaced bolt
[21:45:50] <Duc_mobile> that could have been really bad unless you had a tig welder
[21:48:23] <XXCoder> or pliers I bet that would be able to remove anti0-backlash coupler
[21:51:14] <Duc_mobile> maybe
[21:52:20] <XXCoder> well that end was already very tight so jus need to tighten other one with new bolt
[21:52:46] <Duc_mobile> Im tempted to already go to bed at 930pm
[21:53:53] <XXCoder> heh
[21:53:58] <XXCoder> have days like that
[21:54:43] * roycroft just fired up the barbie
[21:54:52] <roycroft> it's been an excellent day
[21:54:59] <XXCoder> barbie?
[21:55:12] <roycroft> as in grill
[21:55:19] <XXCoder> lol ok
[21:55:33] <roycroft> copper river salmon was late this year, but it arrived today
[21:55:44] <roycroft> fresh wild salmon flown in from alaska
[21:55:58] <XXCoder> nice
[21:56:02] <roycroft> yes!
[21:56:08] <roycroft> i need to order a vfd tonight
[21:56:14] <roycroft> now that i have a motor on order
[21:56:24] <roycroft> i shall need to test the motor and i don't have 3 phase power
[21:57:20] <XXCoder> you need 1 phase to 3 phase convertor
[21:57:36] <roycroft> the vfd does that
[21:58:19] <XXCoder> doh yes
[21:58:20] <roycroft> i feed it 220vac single phase and it spits out 208vac 3 phase at variable frequencies
[21:58:27] <XXCoder> I'm a dumbass
[21:58:29] <roycroft> or 230vac
[21:58:32] <roycroft> i don't recall which
[21:59:31] <roycroft> it just occured to me that i shall need a 100' 220vac extension cord now
[21:59:37] <roycroft> because my welding shop does not have power
[21:59:44] <roycroft> everything runs on extension cords thee
[21:59:46] <roycroft> there
[21:59:53] <roycroft> and that is where my new grinder will live
[21:59:57] <Duc_mobile> ok its bed time have a good night
[22:00:08] <XXCoder> night Duc_mobile
[22:00:11] <roycroft> but that extension cord will not be too expensive
[22:00:47] <roycroft> i had to make a 100' 6ga extension cord to run my gtaw welder
[22:01:01] <roycroft> that was a $400 extension cord
[22:01:15] <roycroft> and it's so heavy i bought a hose reel cart to store it and move it around
[22:02:01] <XXCoder> dang
[22:02:06] <XXCoder> almost cheaper to make generator lol
[22:02:10] <XXCoder> *get
[22:08:59] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/Ryh2O2i.jpg
[22:09:14] <XXCoder> that looks awesome
[22:09:29] <[cube]> heh thx
[22:09:32] <[cube]> still untested :x
[22:09:36] <[cube]> going to mount it tmrw
[22:09:37] <XXCoder> I'm fixing my machine, somehow Y axis bolt got loose
[22:09:49] <[cube]> locknuts!
[22:10:09] <XXCoder> nah, think it was because it spun when hit side of extent
[22:10:51] <[cube]> ah
[22:11:58] <XXCoder> well back to it
[22:12:11] <[cube]> g'luck
[22:19:31] <XXCoder> done
[22:30:05] <minibnz> so i gots my mesa card the other day and now have some time to try and make it work... i cant seem to get the pins to configure properly.. dmesg tells me that all the pins are IOPort.. i have tried to configure it manually and thru the pnc conf wizard but its not working..
[22:30:51] <minibnz> at the moment the config created by the point and click wizzard reports that it cannot connect to pwmgen.0
[22:33:49] <minibnz> anyone seen this before or can point me to a useful link that might help.. im reading the linuxcnc docs and am trying the examples but they all seem to result in the same thing. as far as i am aware dmesg should tell me what the pins are assigned to..
[22:34:36] <minibnz> hmmm maybe i need to set some jumpers on my mesa card to set the compatibility more stuff..
[22:35:43] <XXCoder> unfortunately I dont know mesa
[22:36:24] <minibnz> neither do i :)
[22:36:32] <minibnz> well yet. i hope to soon..
[22:36:48] <XXCoder> mines much more chinese tb6560 ;)
[22:37:09] <minibnz> looks like the jumpers on my 6i24 card are in the defualt pos so they should be compatible..
[22:38:02] <minibnz> my stepper driver board is a five axis TB6560 board. i had a dual parport pci card driving it but i need more pins to drive my tool changer. so i go the mesa
[22:38:47] <XXCoder> nice
[22:38:56] <XXCoder> be back in min, gonna run my machine
[22:39:49] <minibnz> i am working to drive the TB6560 board from the mesa pins.. but trying to get the signals into nice groups is turning out to be a little hard. i wanted to keep one (of the three) connectors for inputs one for outputs and one for the stepper drives.
[22:43:10] <minibnz> all the configuration options i have seen so far are limiting me on my combinations. like they put the stepper drive lines on the same connector as the encoder inputs. which to me seems to be a bit wrong if you are trying to limit electrical noise. and to simplify the cabling.. keep one connector for one type of job.. ie all the encoder and limits swithces on one connector makes sense, at least to me...
[22:43:25] <xxcodermill> bac k
[22:44:20] <minibnz> i might have to compile some custom firmware for the card so i can get the signals i want where i want.
[22:46:30] <minibnz> which i am not opposed to but would like to get some thing working with the supplied code first..
[22:46:48] <xxcodermill> bah thought I successfully tightened it
[22:46:51] <xxcodermill> it wasnt
[23:00:57] <xxcodermill> okay
[23:01:02] <xxcodermill> a stupid question
[23:01:11] <xxcodermill> when I use stepconf test axis
[23:01:38] <xxcodermill> if I set it to 10 mm +-, does it mean it has supposely travel distance of 20 mm total?
[23:02:26] <Tom_itx> minibnz, just make a custom bitfile for it
[23:04:34] <xxcodermill> anyone?
[23:05:10] <Tom_itx> minibnz,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Editing_MESA_Bitfiles
[23:05:14] <minibnz> Tom_itx im not 100% sure on all this, fpga's are new to me. so if i just edit the BIT file that i have will that move the signals to the physical pins or does that still require compilation to effect those changes
[23:05:35] <Tom_itx> that explains the process
[23:05:54] <Tom_itx> it needs to be 'compiled'
[23:06:01] <minibnz> xxcodermill i believe that is meant to move the axis 10mm one way then 10mm back the other to get back to the start to allow you to measure the backlash and the axis travel
[23:06:36] <Tom_itx> or find one already made to suit your needs
[23:06:52] <xxcodermill> minibnz: interesting. ok
[23:06:54] <minibnz> Tom_itx ahh ok i have downloaded the IDE so i think i will fire it up and have a play when i get back..
[23:07:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[23:07:31] <Tom_itx> also found there
[23:07:36] <minibnz> thanks just needed to know which way to head once i start down the rabbit hole :)
[23:08:00] <xxcodermill> minibnz: it makes this bit weird, because setting sheet says it should be 8 microsteeping and 16 microstepping matches what you said
[23:10:11] <minibnz> are you sure you are reading the switches right? i think on some of the T6560 boards the micro stepping is out of sync with the dip switches, ie if you count in binary the 4 options the last two that represent 16 and 8 are swaped and out of order.
[23:11:28] <minibnz> double check on the data sheet you are reading..
[23:12:42] <minibnz> i think it goes 1,4,16,8 instead of what makes sense 1,4,8,16
[23:13:06] <minibnz> i have to go i will be back in a few hours...
[23:13:26] <minibnz> thanks for the links tom..
[23:13:31] <minibnz> talk with you all later.
[23:14:45] <xxcodermill> well it passed test
[23:14:49] <xxcodermill> weird
[23:15:04] <roycroft> i'm finding a number of delta and allen bradley vfds
[23:15:16] <roycroft> would those be decent?
[23:17:25] <xxcodermill> travel -100mm, result real (with crappy caliper) -99.99 mm
[23:17:32] <xxcodermill> seems ok
