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[00:35:06] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: just an idea
https://youtu.be/wRtl6jmROoo?t=51s
[00:36:39] <CaptHindsight> and for ants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJ2jMZ-gaI
[01:13:53] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
[01:26:49] <FloppyDisk> I think the key to the torch is the mohawk. Otherwise, you just can't operate a tool like that.
[02:20:40] <Deejay> moin
[02:45:10] <Swapper> Hi, i have a stupid question, is it possible in linuxcnc to do simple math in the gui or in MDI when finding centers of a part for example ? or do i need to use a calculator ?
[02:45:36] <Swapper> in mach3 the dro boxes are interactive and support simple math like devide 2
[02:48:34] <archivist> I tend to have a calculator app open while doing stuff like that, but may well be possible in mdi
[02:49:55] <archivist> for other stuff it will be built into my gcode
[04:39:46] <XXCoder> archivist: jeez wow
[04:40:11] <archivist> er wot
[04:40:27] <XXCoder> your link of flaming wasp nest
[04:40:43] <XXCoder> doh
[04:40:47] <XXCoder> not you but CaptHindsight
[04:42:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRtl6jmROoo if curous
[04:43:33] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I approve in both cases, but prefer flame thrower =)
[04:52:10] <Jymmm> tiwake: haha GO MEAT!!!
[06:09:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Got Wasps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM4Nku2qAiI
[06:11:40] <XXCoder> yeah remember that one heh
[06:12:34] <Jymmm> Another use for my dust collector =)
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:17:13] <XXCoder> probably throw 5 smokers from july 4th in at once
[06:17:23] <XXCoder> block exit and turn off vacuum
[06:17:37] <XXCoder> leave it 5 days
[06:18:27] <Jymmm> haha, dumbass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh68pjIyYjk
[06:19:32] <XXCoder> simpler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17px2CYtHH0
[06:19:41] <Jymmm> Nah, suck em into metal can/barrel, add fire, done
[06:20:24] <XXCoder> heh wasps getting more and more active and attacking anti wisp machine
[06:23:20] <XXCoder> then start avoiding it
[06:23:23] <XXCoder> guess it didnt work
[06:23:54] <XXCoder> hornets ow those are mean
[06:29:12] <Jymmm> smoke/heat seems the be the great equalizer though
[06:30:03] <Jymmm> realize that some smoke can be toxic as well,such as burning plastics
[06:31:12] <XXCoder> just alum it
[06:31:21] <Jymmm> ?
[06:31:26] <XXCoder> molen alum heh
[06:31:36] <Jymmm> heh
[06:46:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Forget your wimpy molten alum...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5MDnkV8DZA
[06:46:54] <jthornton> I wonder why these 0.96" oleds have the pins labeled SCK SDA instead of SCL SDA?
[06:46:59] <XXCoder> lol yeah saw that before too
[06:47:03] <XXCoder> fun video
[06:47:54] <XXCoder> "coal? Nah just liquid rocks"
[06:48:09] <XXCoder> hopefully one of them said that. lol
[06:48:18] <Tom_itx> jt, same thing
[06:48:27] <Tom_itx> sck is clock scl is clock
[06:48:40] <XXCoder> super clock
[06:48:45] <jthornton> pk
[06:49:11] <XXCoder> those steaks look real yummy but not sure how food safe it is
[06:50:44] <XXCoder> I love part near ending
[06:50:59] <XXCoder> shwos it may be liquid but its still almost as dense as normal rocks
[06:54:17] <skunkworks_> seems the rack is just a little too close to the lava
[06:54:58] <XXCoder> lava seasoning
[07:06:46] <ToddZ_> Is the mailing list messed up right now? Have not recieved anything for 2 days.
[07:10:45] <skunkworks_> yours came through... :)
[07:11:45] <ToddZ_> Yes so it did.
[07:22:51] * jthornton finally finds a nano example that actually works with the oled
[07:23:49] <_methods> nice
[07:23:56] <_methods> you got link
[07:24:14] <_methods> i might need whenever my chinese presents show up
[07:24:18] <jthornton> http://arduino-er.blogspot.com/2015/04/walking-bitmap-on-096-inch-128x64-i2c.html
[07:24:24] <_methods> thx
[07:24:45] <jdh> what are you making with tiny display?
[07:24:49] <jthornton> the key is picking the right u8glib configuration U8GLIB_SSD1306_128X64 u8g(U8G_I2C_OPT_NONE|U8G_I2C_OPT_DEV_0);
[07:25:10] <jthornton> a plc status display
[07:25:16] <_methods> is that what was causing you problems before?
[07:25:26] <jthornton> with u8glib yes
[07:26:20] <jdh> plc HUD!
[07:28:04] <_methods> be nice to do it all with just 4 wires
[07:28:11] <_methods> instead of the usual lcd rat nest
[07:28:38] <jthornton> Tom_itx: where did you get those slide switches you sent me?
[07:30:50] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-SS12D00G3-Position-Vertical-Switch/dp/B007QAJUUS/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465387343&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=0.1+breadboard+slide+switch
[07:31:48] <Jymmm> https://www.amazon.com/6x6x4-5mm-Momentary-Tactile-Button-Switch/dp/B008DS1GY0/
[07:32:48] <jthornton> a momentary button will not work for my show and tell breadboard
[07:55:12] <skunkworks_> jthornton, I may have been harsh
[08:04:11] <JT-Shop> harsh?
[08:05:38] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/309384-cnc-3.html#post1895134
[08:07:32] <malcom2073> Not harsh at all
[08:07:51] <malcom2073> He was harsh to you, and you responded by pointing him to the documentation, and suggesting that perhaps linux wasn't for him if he didn't like reading documentation heh
[08:08:16] <malcom2073> There are some people, that really should *not* use linux
[08:09:20] <JT-Shop> he is a butthead!
[08:09:37] <JT-Shop> I'm glad I'm not logged in on this computer lol
[08:10:37] <malcom2073> Hah I read up higher, yeah you were too nice skunkworks_
[08:14:28] <_methods> fun thread
[08:17:07] <skunkworks_> usually always are ;)
[08:52:18] * JT-Shop fueled up the hoe and warming it up for todays dig
[09:12:56] <Polymorphism> Stepper motors and driver arrived, as well as PSU and connectors
[09:13:02] <Polymorphism> ballscrews and rails shipped, couple more days
[09:13:22] <Polymorphism> ordering wire today, along with starter tools. Collets in hand.
[09:13:42] <Polymorphism> Spindle in the mail as well
[09:13:54] <Polymorphism> The leadshine 4660 looks quite nice
[09:14:00] <Polymorphism> and the drives *are* individual and user replaceable
[09:14:28] <Polymorphism> http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/wiggles84/media/G0704/20150212_023849_zpsoucjtosk.jpg.html
[09:14:30] <Polymorphism> not my pic
[09:15:30] <_methods> pretty much impossible to have a rational argument with a mach knight
[09:16:10] <Polymorphism> Also picked up a nice table for the machine
[09:17:58] <gregcnc> some people are plug an play only
[09:18:27] <_methods> i mean i get it, mach is for people that just want to use windows
[09:18:40] <_methods> no idea why you would do that to yourself
[09:18:41] <_methods> but hey
[09:18:43] <_methods> i get it
[09:18:58] <_methods> it's good to have options
[09:19:19] <_methods> even if they suck lol
[09:21:44] <malcom2073> Because to some people, linux is a mountain they don't want to scale. keep in mind, what is a molehill to you, could very well be a mountain to someone else
[09:22:32] <gregcnc> right google has worked through most of my questions about linuxcnc but even that is too much work for some
[09:24:01] <archivist> some demand spoon feeding
[09:24:22] <Polymorphism> http://beatty-robotics.com/zeroing-a-cnc/
[09:24:54] <Polymorphism> Some people want to plug things in and have them work, with no messing around
[09:25:07] <Polymorphism> Tough to blame them
[09:25:28] <malcom2073> Windows is good for that, Mach is good for that if you have a simple machine. Arguably though, linuxcnc has as much plug and play as mach does, it's when you get into more complicated things that the simplicitiy of either breaks down
[09:26:34] <_methods> yeah either solution requires a fair amount of "jiggery-pokery"
[09:27:03] <_methods> like i said though, i get it
[09:27:22] <_methods> some people just want to use windows no matter what because they're comfortable with it
[09:27:25] <gregcnc> seemd like the one guy wanted a industrial interface
[09:27:30] <_methods> yeah
[09:27:33] <_methods> he wanted industrial
[09:27:39] <_methods> then cries because it's not pretty
[09:27:41] <_methods> wtf
[09:27:44] <gregcnc> fanuc is only a few bucks right
[09:27:57] <_methods> hehe
[09:29:00] <_methods> axis does everything i need and then some
[09:29:17] <_methods> i don't need a toolpath view, but it sure is nice
[09:29:42] <malcom2073> Toolpath is a feel good thing for me, but I'm slowly feeling more and more comfortable with my machine and CAM, and feeling less like I need it
[09:29:56] <_methods> it's a luxury for sure
[09:30:02] <_methods> one i like :)
[09:30:10] <_methods> so to me axis is like heaven
[09:30:19] <_methods> when you're used to running on old fanucs
[09:30:35] <malcom2073> See I came from the 3d printing world, so axis feels archaic heh
[09:30:51] <_methods> well compared to real cnc's axis is the future
[09:31:23] <malcom2073> Yeah, industry takes a while
[09:31:24] <_methods> not compared to some of the newer okuma and dmg/mori stuff obviously
[09:31:34] <_methods> they're light years ahead of everyone
[09:31:56] <_methods> i'm sure even the top of the line fanuc stuff too
[09:32:06] <_methods> but all i have is old machines usually
[09:34:00] <malcom2073> Newest machine I've ever actaully seen in person is a early 90's matsuura 500, which barely has a text screen heh
[09:34:44] <_methods> yep
[09:34:50] <_methods> so after that axis is heaven
[09:35:10] <_methods> i'm always baffled why people bitch about it lol
[09:35:15] <malcom2073> Because Mach.
[09:35:23] <malcom2073> Not because Mach is better, but because it's windows
[09:35:25] <malcom2073> thus must be better
[09:35:34] <archivist> rofl
[09:35:54] <cradek> I hear it has buttons with jpeg artifacts, so that makes it look more modern
[09:36:36] <_methods> lol
[09:36:41] <malcom2073> A lot of bitching I see on the forums is people *finding* things to bitch about purely for the sake of complaining that it's not windows
[09:37:55] <JT-Shop> yup
[09:43:33] <skunkworks_> uh oh.. political on the ml
[09:45:09] <malcom2073> heh
[09:48:24] <tiwake> _methods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
[09:48:35] <_methods> yeah i posted that here a couple days ago
[09:48:41] <tiwake> oh ok
[09:48:44] <tiwake> XD
[09:48:47] <_methods> heheh
[09:48:57] <_methods> crazy vegans
[09:49:08] <tiwake> no kidding
[09:50:46] <_methods> crossfitters, vegans, and religious fanatics
[09:50:52] <Polymorphism> vegans don't act like that
[09:50:53] <_methods> all in the same boat
[09:51:03] <Polymorphism> only in videos like this
[09:51:07] <Polymorphism> not in real life
[09:51:14] <_methods> and you can sink that boat and i'd be happy
[09:51:51] <Polymorphism> the exploitation of animals is a much better option
[09:52:02] <Polymorphism> wait...
[09:52:04] <Polymorphism> xD
[09:54:18] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: I know one that does
[09:54:34] <malcom2073> Watch his other videos though, they're halarious, he's really good at what he does
[09:56:58] * Polymorphism goes to watch
[09:58:50] <Polymorphism> kale farming lol
[10:07:57] <gregcnc> this looks like fun
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ9gllpxg63WTW10FcydrHA/videos
[10:08:35] <malcom2073> It was bound to happen
[10:09:54] <maxcnc> hi all from a wet wet germany
[10:11:06] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: is the mill running
[10:11:36] <pink_vampire> hi
[10:11:41] <maxcnc> ;-)
[10:11:51] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, not yet, still waiting on parts
[10:12:14] <maxcnc> i thought you baught a plug and play
[10:12:19] <Polymorphism> spindle vfd ballscrews and rails in mail, ordering cable tools etc today
[10:12:26] <Polymorphism> I have collets and drivers and steppers and frame etc
[10:12:39] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, no its a half-kit
[10:12:41] <maxcnc> so homebuild
[10:12:48] <maxcnc> what a miss
[10:12:56] <pink_vampire> i need some help with cabinet design
[10:13:01] <maxcnc> you coudt be milling for weks if you trusted me
[10:13:07] <Polymorphism> sadly not
[10:13:12] <maxcnc> and spend the half of money
[10:13:24] <Polymorphism> money doesnt matter anymore
[10:13:31] <Polymorphism> it got so expensive I decided to stop caring
[10:13:31] <Polymorphism> =)
[10:13:36] <Polymorphism> now I just get what I need
[10:13:41] <pink_vampire> I want to mount a door like that
http://i.stack.imgur.com/XYMRd.png
[10:14:38] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: and ?
[10:14:57] <maxcnc> Federklappscghanier
[10:15:04] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what hinges I need
[10:16:00] <gregcnc> google know which hinge
[10:16:49] <maxcnc> pring folding hinge
[10:16:56] <pink_vampire> and also how to position the drills
[10:16:59] <maxcnc> for forstner drills
[10:17:19] <pink_vampire> I'm going to cnc it..
[10:18:09] <maxcnc> there are also for direct mount
http://www.selbst-schreinern.de/images/product_images/info_images/935_0.jpg
[10:18:19] <maxcnc> no milling or driling
[10:18:39] <maxcnc> http://www.selbst-schreinern.de/Baender-Scharniere/Spezialscharniere/Klappenscharniere---1_3_68.html
[10:19:33] <maxcnc> mini ones
http://www.selbst-schreinern.de/Baender-Scharniere/Spezialscharniere/Einbohr-und-Einlass-Scharniere---1_3_121.html
[10:20:55] <pink_vampire> but I need to make any space between the doors?
[10:23:03] <maxcnc> the spring pops the door out so you got space to bent
[10:23:35] <maxcnc> go to homedepo they show you the ones
[10:24:18] <pink_vampire> one sec I will show you a 3d model
[10:25:14] <maxcnc> https://www.hornbach.de/shop/suche/sortiment/topfscharnier
[10:25:24] <maxcnc> this is my local supplier
[10:27:59] <enleth> pink_vampire: google "euro hinge template"
[10:28:16] <enleth> pink_vampire: and go to a hardware store for the hinges
[10:29:57] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: hit the second pay button then you see how it works with differnet hinge
https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Weitwinkelscharnier-35-mm-fuer-vorliegende-Tueren-1-Stueck/7781577/artikel.html
[10:30:08] <maxcnc> play button
[10:30:25] <maxcnc> l makes a real differnet ;-)
[10:30:50] <pink_vampire> I see now.
[10:31:00] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iziP0cQhOFY
[10:31:07] <pink_vampire> but I want to do it on glass also
[10:31:19] <maxcnc> there are speciaL ONES
[10:32:02] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: this one
https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Topfscharnier-fuer-Glastueren-26-mm-Mittelwandanschlag-1-Stueck/7850447/artikel.html
[10:32:17] <maxcnc> second image
[10:32:50] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/QBmDNh7.png
[10:33:25] <pink_vampire> the orange parts and and the gray parts are 19mm thick
[10:33:32] <maxcnc> so you need the middle version
[10:33:36] <pink_vampire> the blue part is 12.7mm
[10:33:55] <pink_vampire> the pink part is glass
[10:34:36] <maxcnc> the glas needs 2 26mm holes in europ
[10:34:55] <maxcnc> US versions might be different sizes
[10:35:03] <pink_vampire> how I can put hinges between the orange and the blue part, so I can open the blue part without damage it.
[10:35:08] <maxcnc> homedepo or iron store will gold them
[10:35:32] <maxcnc> or simply ask your lokel furniger maker carpender ....
[10:35:57] <pink_vampire> you see the problem?
[10:36:22] <pink_vampire> if the blue part get open it going to hit the orange part.
[10:36:38] <maxcnc> standard spring hinge will do the job as it pops out the 20mm of mount
[10:36:47] <pink_vampire> and also the pink
[10:36:51] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: no
[10:37:25] <maxcnc> if yoiu open the dor the edge will hit the orenge one and the hinge pops out
[10:37:27] <archivist> go to local store look at kitchen hinges
[10:37:30] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDEXrQymX8
[10:37:35] <Polymorphism> kitchen tables?
[10:37:37] <Polymorphism> hinges?
[10:37:51] <gregcnc> I was just watching that
[10:37:52] <archivist> cupboard doors
[10:37:54] <_methods> great googlly mooogly
[10:38:02] <pink_vampire> I need to make some space?
[10:38:07] <archivist> no
[10:38:09] <maxcnc> no
[10:38:27] <pink_vampire> any cad model of them?
[10:38:36] <archivist> there is a folding arrangement to bring the door outwards
[10:39:06] <_methods> 6040 EXTREME!!!
[10:39:10] <_methods> lol
[10:39:12] <pink_vampire> so the can work with zero clearance
[10:39:20] <maxcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV38_XJBG54
[10:39:22] <skunkworks_> the rigid tapping mechanism is awesome
[10:39:40] <_methods> hahah
[10:39:42] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: to glas i woudt get 2-5mm space
[10:39:46] <_methods> rigid tap........hand drill
[10:40:06] <gregcnc> the belt is for the encoder?
[10:40:12] <maxcnc> lok in the vid there is no space at mount
[10:40:25] <pink_vampire> any idea how to drill the glass?
[10:40:57] <gregcnc> finger nails seem up to the job?
[10:41:08] <maxcnc> your proxxon will do it make tape around the hole
[10:41:36] <pink_vampire> how?? 26mm diameter hole?
[10:42:09] <_methods> had to give him a thumbs up for super 6040
[10:44:26] <gregcnc> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/person-falls-into-yellowstone-hot-spring_us_57575680e4b08f74f6c08b67
[10:44:36] <maxcnc> pink_vampire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYUzI0u6eKM
[10:44:39] <_methods> i hope they shot the hot springs to save him
[10:44:42] <gregcnc> "The visitor’s condition is unclear. Reid said additional information would be released once available." His condition is Well Done.
[10:44:43] <HoloPed> Can anyone comment on this -
http://www.pocketnc.com/pocketnc/pocket-nc ? Tell me why it's crap
[10:45:09] <Polymorphism> small work area, not muich known about it yet
[10:45:11] <gregcnc> If you want to cut warm butter or cheese pocket CNC is probably rigid enoguh for that
[10:45:32] <_methods> that guys' lathe is pretty cool too
[10:45:37] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VNZeQNym-k
[10:45:41] <maxcnc> HoloPed: bad mounting aragment of axis and spindle
[10:45:44] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQutUdOg3gI
[10:45:50] <archivist> HoloPed, overhang, and the stepper drive to the rotary is a bit junky
[10:45:55] <Polymorphism> gregcnc, or aluminum =D
[10:45:57] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: i need it accurate
[10:46:04] <maxcnc> no
[10:46:16] <maxcnc> the drill will make it wider
[10:46:26] <maxcnc> whider
[10:46:35] <maxcnc> spell check ?
[10:46:39] <archivist> wider
[10:47:02] <_methods> love that barpuller he made
[10:47:03] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: did you see the last video
[10:47:53] <maxcnc> proxxon glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAzifYVNVI
[10:48:46] <pink_vampire> it is not accurate at all.
[10:49:06] <maxcnc> you got a cnc
[10:49:52] <pink_vampire> water.. on cast iron cnc... no no no
[10:50:23] <gregcnc> I may end up with a chuck and actuator like that on my Emco 6. It looks like someone had it setup that way before I got it.
[10:50:35] <maxcnc> then make a mask
[10:51:06] <maxcnc> ok im off till later
[11:06:46] <HoloPed> Does anyone know of a good and free font that is suited for laser cutting?
[11:06:52] <HoloPed> Like stencils
[11:10:04] <Tom_itx> jthornton, refresh my memory about those slide switches... can't remember what i sent
[11:10:50] <Tom_itx> the one in the tutorial pic came from digikey
[11:10:55] <Tom_itx> if that was it
[11:17:07] <_methods> HoloPed: you can search dafont.com for stencil fonts
[11:17:13] <_methods> there are plenty of them out there
[11:18:24] <_methods> http://www.lucadentella.it/en/2016/06/07/chrome-app-e-comunicazione-seriale/
[11:18:34] <_methods> heh chrome app for serial comms
[11:19:29] <malcom2073> _methods: there is seriously a browser app for controlling a 3d printer now
[11:22:56] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: does it work with an inkjet with laser printer?
[11:33:58] <JT-Shop> only 6,890,873 cubic inches of dirt left to dig out
[11:35:32] <gregcnc> are you using a tablespoon too?
[11:35:35] <JT-Shop> that's about 150 yards of dirt left to move
[11:35:46] <JT-Shop> John Deere 310A
[12:14:54] <maxcnc> hi
[12:15:08] <maxcnc> HoloPed: font for laser i got lots
[12:18:48] <maxcnc> HoloPed:
http://www.1001freefonts.com/dirty_bakers_dozen.font
[12:20:36] <HoloPed> thanks maxcnc
[12:20:44] <maxcnc> abduction
[12:20:50] <maxcnc> borg9
[12:21:07] <maxcnc> breaside
[12:21:19] <maxcnc> dayton
[12:21:35] <maxcnc> dexgothn
[12:23:37] <maxcnc> for real hand and design i use santadekor
[12:27:00] <maxcnc> a mask font is the standard DIN FONT
http://www.designerinaction.de/font/din-schablonierschrift/
[12:27:18] <maxcnc> its best for real good output
[12:27:58] <maxcnc> http://www.myfonts.com/search/stencil/fonts/
[12:31:34] <maxcnc> http://www.1001freefonts.com/search.php?q=stencil&search=search
[12:31:44] <maxcnc> now you are in business
[12:32:55] <maxcnc> HoloPed: need more ?
[12:33:46] <maxcnc> oh hevy rain outside
[12:35:48] <CaptHindsight> how heavy is it?
[12:36:29] <maxcnc> no more then 50feet to see
[12:36:33] <enleth> anyone here familliar with differences between Heidenhain's EXE 602 revisions? I just realized that with the way Ebay handles search, I did not see quite a bit of offers for various revisions - or what I think are revisions
[12:36:34] <maxcnc> still on
[12:36:39] <enleth> the current one seems to be 602E
[12:37:00] <enleth> and I found 602, 602B, 602D and 602E for sale
[12:37:43] <maxcnc> noone needs 275 cycles
[12:37:45] <enleth> the boards inside are slightly different, they moved from THT to SMD at some point, but they look essentially equivalent
[12:38:00] <maxcnc> stay at 104 with the 425
[12:38:27] <enleth> maxcnc: are you talking to me?
[12:38:38] <maxcnc> i try
[12:38:56] <enleth> well, I don't quite get what you mean
[12:39:04] <maxcnc> the TNC355 got the main 80 cycle you need
[12:39:33] <enleth> what the hell does TNC355 have to do with this?
[12:39:38] <maxcnc> basic since 320 there is no mayor change in the mashine handlings
[12:39:54] <enleth> and what cycles are you speaking of?
[12:40:32] <maxcnc> https://www.heidenhain.de/fileadmin/pdb/media/img/598_010-21.pdf
[12:41:11] <enleth> yeah, I know that PDF, what about it?
[12:41:41] <enleth> it mentions 602E which I think is the most recent revision but I can get several different revs cheap and I'm wondering if there's any difference between them
[12:41:56] <enleth> I mean, real, functional differences
[12:42:42] <enleth> what's the matter with "275 cycles" and TNC355?
[12:44:07] <maxcnc> my fault as alway the EXE is not known to me
[12:44:53] <maxcnc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/26561-terminatation-7i47s-heidenhain-602e
[12:47:46] <enleth> not much there. I do know that they work with mesa, people are using them.
[12:48:22] <enleth> oh well, ordering anyway, they're $30 a pop, worst case I'll sell them here for 4x the price, someone will buy them
[12:48:55] <enleth> they don't usually go below $50, but I seem to be lucky today
[12:54:12] <maxcnc> enleth: there is only one version now in the Docs
[12:54:23] <maxcnc> http://www.heidenhain.de/de_DE/produkte/folge-elektroniken/interface-elektroniken/
[13:00:45] <maxcnc> now a thunderstorm hidding towards shop
[13:00:56] <maxcnc> i shut down Gn8
[13:02:17] <enleth> jesus, I know there is only one version now, this is why I asked...
[13:05:33] <_methods> lol
[13:50:35] <Nick-Shop> Questions about halscope - following error-what is practical allowable error on the 100u/div scale?
[13:52:20] <andypugh> 100u/Div would be 100 nm or uinch per division.
[13:53:58] <Nick001-shop> i use inches - I'm getting a max error of 0.0001 along the trace of 0.250 travel
[13:54:40] <Nick001-shop> what is practical to get it down to?
[13:55:15] <andypugh> You shouldn’t expect anything better than 4 encoder divisions.
[13:55:31] <andypugh> 10 encoder divisions is probably more reasonable.
[13:59:55] <enleth> if anyone needs *cheap* EXE 602s:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DR-JOHANNES-HEIDENHAIN-INTERPOLATION-BOX-EXE-602-B-1-1-C71-/151843825765 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HEIDENHAIN-INTERPOLATION-BOX-EXE-602-EXE602-EXE-602-ID-217-131-06-mona-/261841956231 http://www.ebay.com/itm/DR-JOHANNES-HEIDENHAIN-INTERPOLATION-BOX-EXE-602-B-1-1-C71-/151843825765
[14:01:26] <Nick001-shop> My head is going to hurt - 1024 encoder 1/4 belt ratio to leadscrew 0.100 lead - encoder on motor
[14:01:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop,
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/switches/slide-switches/1115393?k=EG1903-ND
[14:01:41] <Tom_itx> that?
[14:02:51] <Tom_itx> fits in a breadboard nicely
[14:03:46] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Sounds like you are at 4 encoder counts. actually. Or is it a 1024 edge / 4096 count encoder?
[14:04:03] <andypugh> In any case, you seem pretty close to as good as you wil get.
[14:04:10] <Nick001-shop> 1024 edge
[14:04:55] <membiblio2> Is there a hal signal called HOMING? I was thinking of a case when I would like to know HOMING is complete, thought I saw the signal and now that I want to use it - can't find it. Any ideas or suggestions?
[14:06:16] <andypugh> There is a home_state pin
[14:06:38] <Nick001-shop> That's good to hear - been playing on the test bench for a week now doing strange things to the motor with the settings.
[14:09:56] <membiblio2> thanks andypugh
[14:10:10] <membiblio2> thanks ngilson
[14:23:20] <gregcnc> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5624753304.html Price sounds firm
[14:33:12] <CaptHindsight> dream dream dream dream-
[14:34:45] <CaptHindsight> "I don't care if you "have cash" that means nothing
[14:34:45] <CaptHindsight> and doesn't mean you get a multi-thousand dollar discount, dipshit. "
[14:35:17] <enleth> well, at least the seller is straightforward
[14:35:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe the dipshit shouldn't of purchased the mill in the first place at top dollar
[14:37:04] <CaptHindsight> I bet he's a riot to spend the day with
[14:37:09] <gregcnc> he'll end up taking whatever he can get when time comes
[14:37:09] <FloppyDisk> I'd go w/ a cnc'd bridgeport or clone for less and get more machine. takes up about the same amount of room. Has some plusses and minuses, but stronger machine...
[14:47:44] <FloppyDisk> :-)
[14:51:19] <PCW> I think people buy Tormachs largely for support and because of this the resale is higher than you might expect
[14:51:31] <PCW> resale value
[14:51:54] <enleth> by the way, what kind of control hardware does Tormach use?
[14:52:12] <cradek> years ago when I saw their stall at a workshop, tormach had a really quite good line of accessories. I bet it's even better today.
[15:42:10] <XXCoder> my vice arrived
[15:42:19] <_methods> nice
[15:42:21] <XXCoder> it fits under router!
[15:42:28] <_methods> i love it when drugs get delivered to my door
[15:42:33] <_methods> good
[15:42:35] <_methods> hide your drugs
[15:42:40] <_methods> always best plan
[15:42:42] <XXCoder> lol
[15:43:03] <_methods> never know when those cops are gonna show up
[15:43:03] <XXCoder> anyway it means I can use it for router as well as backup plan for drill part holding.
[15:43:15] <_methods> oh you meant vise
[15:43:39] <XXCoder> doh yes
[15:43:55] <_methods> i thought you got a fresh shipment of heroin
[15:44:04] <XXCoder> ugh if I choose vice it'd be pot
[15:44:14] <XXCoder> its nice and legal
[15:48:16] <gregcnc> andypugh do you have vices or vises on your mill?
[15:50:19] <_methods> hehe
[15:59:09] <yasnak> ;)
[15:59:16] <yasnak> why not both
[16:06:14] <XXCoder> yeah vise holding solid cocoine block in it
[16:06:16] <XXCoder> mill it
[16:06:39] <XXCoder> make cocoine statues for your friends for next party
[16:41:43] <Deejay> gn8
[16:53:02] <yasnak> anyone else use jobboss?
[17:06:30] <andypugh> We make no disinction in the UK between vices and vices. We do make a distinction between routers and routers. We don’t spell them any differently, but we do pronounce them differenty.
[17:07:35] <andypugh> The woodworking machines have the “rout” to rhyme with “out” and the network equipment to rhyme with root.
[17:08:21] <_methods> yasnak: no every shop i've worked at uses E2
[17:08:34] <CaptHindsight> rooters here are for cleaning the roots and gunk out of sewer pipes
[17:08:36] <_methods> couple shops in town use job boss
[17:08:41] <_methods> but i've never used it
[17:09:37] <CaptHindsight> http://numberonelv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/sewer-rooter.jpg
[17:12:55] <andypugh> My spindle encoder mount is held on with 3 x 3/8” bolts. Do you think that will be enough?
[17:13:27] <andypugh> XXCoder: Did you read my captioned video?
[17:14:57] <CaptHindsight> how big is this encoder? 2 ft dia?
[17:15:22] <andypugh> CaptHindsight:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6293941691898118434
[17:16:37] <andypugh> Re-using what used to be the back-gear bracket. The shafts for the back-gears were nearly big enough to slot the resolver straight in. I have one resolver that actually would have just fitted, but the wires come out the side.
[17:24:59] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: properly torqued should be more than enough
[17:26:35] <andypugh> I put that plate back partly because it stops coolant and swarf going back under the headstock into the belt. It was a lucky accident that it turned into a very sarisfactory encoder mount.
[17:40:54] <yasnak> _methods: how is E2's scheduling?
[17:41:20] <yasnak> I've been getting spammed by E2's reps, but their software seems much better then the pos exact jobloss
[17:54:17] <_methods> it's great if you can get people to put in good info
[17:54:20] <_methods> that's the nightmare
[17:54:29] <_methods> you need to make sure everyone is putting in accurate info
[17:54:36] <_methods> and keeping accurate inventory
[17:54:56] <Sync> SAP!
[17:54:58] <_methods> unfortunately the owner at my shop does all the quoting/purchasing and he likes to make shit up
[17:55:09] <_methods> sap?
[17:56:02] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[17:58:00] <_methods> inventory is another big problem because the people that usually work in shipping and receiving are usually not capable of coherent thoughts
[17:58:15] <Frank_9> lol
[17:58:52] <_methods> if you can tackle those 2 hurdles, IT'S GREAT!
[17:58:54] <_methods> lol
[18:00:53] <_methods> but the iso9001/as9100 modules more than make up for the rest
[18:01:34] <_methods> i got the shop i work at now iso9001 certification in 3 months
[18:02:43] <_methods> if we had more reqt for as9100 i'd feel comfortable going through that too
[18:08:26] <andypugh> We have ISO9000 specialists at work. The problem is, they feel the need to earn their salary, so keep elaborating the system.
[18:10:41] <andypugh> ISO9001 is, to an extent, a case of stating what you do, and doing it. But our quality system just grows and grows. Our document retention policy is a case in point. You have to dispose of anything over a certain age, unless it might be related to a _huge_ list of things that you are not allowed to dispose of.
[18:12:01] <Sync> for us it basically means we can't dispose of anything
[18:16:36] <Frank_9> what do you think of wiring an estop to the servo driver input of emergency stop, it would actually stop instantaneous, if i were to turn the power off, the machine could still move if it was going fast.
[18:17:32] <Duc> enleth: I got the switch setting and manual for the EXE 602s that I will email over to you
[18:19:58] <arauchfuss> andypugh: just got audited
[18:20:35] <arauchfuss> going through the factory and throwing out any random parts without docs :)
[18:21:18] <andypugh> Our auditors are due next week. I am scared, it’s like an exam I haven’t studied for.
[18:21:52] <arauchfuss> continual improvement!
[18:21:54] <andypugh> (When I say “our” I mean the internal ones looking at my boss and hid two minions only)
[18:22:15] <arauchfuss> ah
[18:22:41] <andypugh> I work in R&D, procedures are genuinely a bit vague..
[18:23:10] <enleth> Duc: cool. I managed to find several super cheap 602 on ebay today so I ordered 3 of them (2x 602E, 1x 602), but there's no telling if they actually work so I'm still trying to replicate them. Even if I get 3 working units, I might finish it.
[18:23:35] <Duc> enleth: ok I also have the picture to send you today
[18:23:43] <arauchfuss> yep, and people put your prototypes into production don't they.
[18:24:04] <enleth> Duc: thanks. I'm going to get those units sometime next month, so for now I have those photos.
[18:24:35] <enleth> andypugh: it gets really funny when the retention policy suddenly says you have to shred documents that are still being used just because they're old.
[18:24:59] <andypugh> Yup
[18:25:14] <enleth> That's how "Revision F: fixed a missing full stop" is born
[18:26:08] <Duc> enleth: check your email for the Heidenhain documents
[18:27:55] <Duc> alot more detail then what was listed for the google picture
[18:28:27] <arauchfuss> Duc: Would you mind posting those?
[18:28:37] <arauchfuss> Those are for the SEMI servos right?
[18:28:41] <enleth> Duc: got it. Heidenhain tech support is absolutely amazing. I've been talking with them too and I don't think I've ever seen better. Some garage tinkerer emails them out of the blue with questions about a piece of euipment that's close to half a century old and they respond within a day with actual answers and documentation.
[18:28:52] <enleth> *equipment
[18:29:06] <Duc> arauchfuss: no problem Ill make a thread today on Linuxcnc under driver boards
[18:29:16] <arauchfuss> cool
[18:29:29] <Duc> enleth: I was expecting like a 6 weeks turn around time not half a day
[18:29:50] <arauchfuss> I have all the drawings for the driver boards if you want me to post em.
[18:30:08] <arauchfuss> or one version at least
[18:30:39] <enleth> Duc: in my case, they actually took the time to wade through the paper archives to see if they still have any docs on the particular TNC version I have
[18:30:51] <enleth> they didn't, so they apologized profusely and offered some hints
[18:32:19] <Duc> shoot the file is to big
[18:32:36] <enleth> maybe their hardware is just so good it doesn't break so they have all the time they want to answer emails from hobbyists using some ancient stuff of theirs
[18:32:51] <enleth> not having to actually support customers, that is
[18:33:09] <arauchfuss> we love their encoders on our x-rays
[18:33:18] <arauchfuss> never had one fail.
[18:33:33] <Duc> arauchfuss: do you have email I can send them too
[18:34:04] <enleth> arauchfuss: you work on x-ray machines?
[18:34:56] <arauchfuss> diffraction stuff
[18:35:07] <arauchfuss> really crude
[18:35:17] <Duc> so material properties
[18:35:49] <arauchfuss> yeah, bragg angles and whatnot
[18:36:45] <arauchfuss> never actually machined metal until I built my mill.
[18:37:11] <arauchfuss> cnc dicing saws and diamond grinding wheels
[18:38:06] <enleth> heh, I was just looking for old an medical x-ray machine for blackbox hardware analysis, almost got one for close to nothing but someone outbid me
[18:38:44] <arauchfuss> going to look at welds and whatnot?
[18:38:59] <arauchfuss> ah blackbox
[18:39:19] <enleth> multilayer PCBs and such
[18:40:50] <enleth> a CT would be even better, but finding one within my budget would be a miracle
[18:41:28] <arauchfuss> even getting xray tubes is pricey.
[18:43:38] <enleth> nah, relatively cheap tubes show up regularily on auctions
[18:43:53] <enleth> I've ever seen a 30kW industrial one for $150
[18:45:00] <enleth> it had a rotating plate in the middle which seemed to reflect the rays in a plane around the tube
[18:45:09] <enleth> no idea what that was for
[18:45:27] <Duc> ok all images sent on exe 602
[18:46:25] <Sync> enleth: it is to manage the heat
[18:46:25] <enleth> Duc: perfect. Nice macros, BTW.
[18:46:46] <Sync> and you want a microfocus tube
[18:47:03] <andypugh> arauchfuss: I used to work for Dage, they make nice X-ray machines (for their application)
[18:47:57] <arauchfuss> We basically have a museum.
[18:48:07] <Duc> enleth: in my very limited camera experience
[18:48:09] <Duc> lol
[18:48:23] <arauchfuss> ever seen a GE XRD-1>?
[18:48:37] <arauchfuss> still in use
[18:48:42] <Duc> anyone have a good pdf to jpeg conventor
[18:49:08] <enleth> Sync: that would imply a scanning machine, right?
[18:49:15] <andypugh> enleth: Be careful. The tubes I worked on for BGA analysis were _very_ hard X-rays and high power. I calculates 30 seconds to a fatal dose if you were stood in the box.
[18:49:21] <Sync> no enleth
[18:50:43] <enleth> andypugh: yeah, if I ever manage to actually get an x-ray machine for a reasonable price, I'm probably going to spend several times that on lead
[18:51:50] <arauchfuss> enleth: and interlocks hopefully
[18:52:00] <andypugh> arauchfuss: I did a fair bit of X-ray spectroscopy when I was a student. I never had an excuse to do any diffraction, but I studied it.
[18:53:01] <Sync> we still use an open XRD sometimes
[18:53:05] <arauchfuss> we use it to tune piezo materials.
[18:53:10] <Sync> although nowadays we need to leave the room
[18:54:24] <arauchfuss> its funny our control badge is in the front office.
[18:54:40] <arauchfuss> it always has more exposure than the staff badges
[18:54:49] <arauchfuss> more sunlight I guess.
[18:56:58] <Sync> we're not a radiation controlled place, thank god
[18:57:46] <arauchfuss> I think that I am more in danger from radon gas in my basement
[18:58:24] <arauchfuss> andypugh: you in the UK right?
[18:58:45] <andypugh> aye
[18:59:33] <Sync> I think I'll give in and import a monoblock unit
[18:59:49] <arauchfuss> UK historically being coal fired do you guys get radon accumulation in your basements?
[19:00:09] <SpeedEvil> That's not how it works
[19:00:33] <SpeedEvil> Radon doesn't accumulate over historical timescales.
[19:00:35] <enleth> Sync: interesting. I'll have to read up on how focus actually works with x-ray imaging.
[19:00:37] <arauchfuss> geology yeah
[19:00:41] <SpeedEvil> It requires constant production that is not vented
[19:00:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:00:47] <SpeedEvil> misconstrued.
[19:00:57] <SpeedEvil> In some parts of the UK, radon accumulation is a thing, yes
[19:01:11] <SpeedEvil> I have about a hundred grams of uranium in my house.
[19:01:30] <SpeedEvil> - it's made of granite and weighs many tons
[19:01:47] <djdelorie> my whole yard is like that...
[19:01:49] <enleth> Sync: all I know now is that an oldschool medical x-ray, the kind you'd use to diagnose a broken arm, produces very useful imagery of internal PCB layers on photographic paper
[19:02:11] <enleth> or really whatever internals of whatever device
[19:02:27] <andypugh> Cormwall has a problem with radon from grainite. However the most radioactive place in the UK is Chert Chamber in Giant’s Cave in Derbyshire. Which I have visited a few times.
[19:02:55] <Sync> yes they do work enleth but a proper tube is better for imaging
[19:03:23] <Sync> it is an issue for me, as I have a flat panel sensor
[19:05:22] <andypugh> Dage use a point source and a flat panel. And quite a lot of “Clever”
[19:06:15] <Tom_itx> is granite where radon comes from?
[19:06:27] <Tom_itx> (the gas)
[19:07:37] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:07:48] <SpeedEvil> It's a decay product of uranium
[19:07:52] <djdelorie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite#Natural_radiation
[19:07:52] <SpeedEvil> (not direct)
[19:07:56] <arauchfuss> I think there have to be fractures in the stone too.
[19:08:01] <andypugh> Dage, like many companies, are really bad at putting impressive images anywhere obvious on their web page. It’s like David Brown Gears. They can make 14m diameter gears, but you can’t find a good high-res picture of one
[19:08:20] <Tom_itx> so you're more apt to have radon gas leakage if there's a granite layer below?
[19:09:03] <Sync> andypugh: I was recently demoed a dage unit, I was not really impressed
[19:09:12] <arauchfuss> you can buy testing kits
[19:09:19] <andypugh> http://www.nordson.com/-/media/Files/Nordson/dage/Products/X-Ray-Inspection-Systems/Computerized-Tomography-CT-Option/Computerized%20Tomography%20CERA%20Data%20Sheet.pdf?la=en is a link to a pdf with some interesting CT images of components
[19:09:20] <arauchfuss> pretty cheap
[19:09:55] <andypugh> Sync: Well, doesn’t surprise me, they sacked me :-)
[19:10:17] <Sync> haha
[19:10:42] <Sync> nah, we were looking into one of their wafer metrology solutions
[19:11:00] <Sync> and it performed worse than our own R&D solution
[19:12:10] <Sync> granted, it's a very special thing that we want
[19:12:44] <andypugh> That’s noy 100% accurate. They extended my propbationary period from 6 to 12 months, and about 2 weeks later announced that there would be redundancies. I arranged another job, and when I told them they said “It wasn’t you” but I was in “screw you “ mode at that point.
[19:13:10] <Sync> haha
[19:13:12] <Sync> rekt
[19:14:45] <arauchfuss> anyone have a favorite pushbutton switch?
[19:15:07] <arauchfuss> think I am going to wire up some physical controls.
[19:15:13] <Sync> moeller ftw.
[19:15:33] <gregcnc> andypugh did I see an extremely large tachometer on the bed of the Minor or what was going on there?
[19:16:12] <enleth> Cherry MX switches can make for an interesting alternative to industrial products
[19:16:13] <andypugh> Yes, the Minor has a large tachometer on the headstock. It’s rather cute.
[19:16:43] <enleth> especially if you like your switches go KLANG! when you press them
[19:16:45] <gregcnc> sorry what's happening here?
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6290580661718079074
[19:17:41] <andypugh> arauchfuss: If price matters, the buttons on ebay for home arcade machines (search term MAME ) can work well. Typically a conventional microswitch and an actuator and often an LED
[19:18:28] <andypugh> gregcnc: Trying to figure out if the noisy bearings were spindle or gearbox
[19:18:38] <Tom_itx> salvage some from an ICBM launch pannel
[19:19:00] <Tom_itx> i bet those were top quality
[19:19:02] <enleth> Tom_itx: an old power plant control room would be a nice pushbutton source
[19:19:14] <Tom_itx> that too
[19:19:19] <gregcnc> Ah backrdriving the lathe without the belt
[19:19:32] <andypugh> gregcnc: (answer was “Gearbox” whixh was the £260 each bearing pair, not the spindle bearings at £120 each.
[19:19:52] <enleth> andypugh: so you got a dud?
[19:19:56] <gregcnc> the gearbox has such expensive bearings?
[19:20:27] <andypugh> So I didnt replace like-for-like. I used ball bearings not the obsolete roller bearings.
[19:21:40] <andypugh> gregcnc: Yes, probably not at the time, but they are both-ways restrained cylindrical rollers. They just don’t exist any more.
[19:22:12] <gregcnc> oh at least something fit
[19:22:13] <andypugh> (Not in metric, not in imperial)
[19:22:38] <andypugh> Next picture is the bearing.
[19:23:46] <andypugh> gregcnc: Not sure how many other people have mounted a powered-up motor between centres. :-)
[19:24:06] <zeeshan> hm i came across something that seems odd to me, but a sr ee said its ok
[19:24:54] <zeeshan> L1 -------- fuse 1A --------- momentary switch rated for 750mA --------- load drawing 45mA max --------------- N
[19:25:01] <zeeshan> ----------- is a 16 awg wire
[19:25:07] <zeeshan> anything wrong with this? :/
[19:25:15] <gregcnc> not many for sure. I mounted a motor to reduce a shaft fro my bandsaw.
[19:25:58] <zeeshan> theres a motor between centers
[19:25:59] <zeeshan> interesting :P
[19:26:30] <Sync> sounds fine zeeshan
[19:26:48] <zeeshan> Sync: for some reason if the load drew 1a
[19:26:53] <zeeshan> wouldnt you burn up the switch
[19:26:57] <andypugh> gregcnc: I remachined the rotor on one of my servos to remove the brake, and then shortened the case to suit. And swapped the encoder for a resolver. That is my most extreme motor mod so far. :-)
[19:27:02] <Sync> not really zeeshan
[19:27:07] <zeeshan> y
[19:27:09] <Sync> there is a safety factor, as always
[19:27:19] <Sync> the fuse will blow before the switch burns
[19:27:42] <andypugh> If the 45mA load has faulted, the switch will take the current long enough to blow the fuse.
[19:27:54] <zeeshan> lets change the circuit
[19:27:54] <Sync> andypugh: wat, that sounds like a strange bearing
[19:28:04] <gregcnc> I've rewound and built cases for motors even mounted them on engines as generators
[19:28:12] <zeeshan> L1 -------- fuse 500A --------- momentary switch rated for 200mA --------- load drawing 45mA max --------------- N
[19:28:18] <zeeshan> where ---- is 500mcm cable
[19:28:33] <andypugh> Sync: Yes.
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6290580808532909458 They simply don’t make those any more.
[19:28:56] <Sync> not sure
[19:28:59] <Sync> I've seen those
[19:29:37] <andypugh> Go on, find me one in a catalogue :-)
[19:30:52] <zeeshan> Sync andypugh?!?!
[19:33:08] <Sync> > mcm
[19:33:11] <Sync> pls.
[19:33:34] <Sync> you will need a high current fuse for 1A
[19:33:48] <zeeshan> ??
[19:33:50] <zeeshan> 500A!
[19:34:05] <enleth> zeeshan: electrical stuff tends to fail open or fail shorted, failures that cause slightly excessive currents are much less common
[19:34:55] <zeeshan> enleth: does my 500A circuit look safe?
[19:35:12] <zeeshan> if for some reason there was a short in the load
[19:35:21] <zeeshan> there is a potential for 500A to flow thru the switch?
[19:35:23] <Sync> andypugh: skf nup/np series
[19:35:28] <Sync> yes zeeshan
[19:35:35] <zeeshan> that means kaboom?!
[19:35:37] <Sync> yes
[19:35:48] <Sync> low impedance short into equipment not rated for it
[19:35:51] <Sync> means boomboom
[19:36:01] <arauchfuss> any problem with running SAMBA on a linuxcnc box?
[19:36:11] <Sync> payphones here have NH fuses for that reason
[19:36:12] <arauchfuss> getting tired of using thumbsticks
[19:36:27] <Frank_10> lol
[19:36:34] <Frank_10> samba on linux=?
[19:36:40] <zeeshan> cifs
[19:36:48] <zeeshan> incorrectly called cifs
[19:36:49] <zeeshan> :D
[19:37:17] <Frank_10> wonder what motors and how many does a samba use
[19:38:35] <zeeshan> ok its time to sleep :P
[19:39:33] <andypugh> Sync: Loose ring.
[19:39:55] <andypugh> The same in principle, I agree.
[19:40:17] <Sync> they somehow must have attached the ring on yours
[19:40:30] <Sync> they can't beam the cylinders in there
[19:40:44] <andypugh> I got them out..
[19:41:05] <gregcnc> conrad assembly?
[19:41:30] <andypugh> It’s like a deep-groove ball. You take out the cage, push all the rollers to one side, and the inner race falls out
[19:42:22] <gregcnc> http://www.gizmology.net/images/bearings_14.gif
[19:42:44] <Sync> ah it is a caged one
[19:43:17] <andypugh> Yes, lovely solid brass cage
[19:46:01] <andypugh> anyway, the deeo-groove balls will probably see me out.
[19:46:51] <andypugh> The originals did 50 years, I doubt I have 50 years machining ahead of me. Certainly not 50 years of 8-hour shifts
[19:48:21] <andypugh> I am _really_ hacked off that the precision level I bid £50 for, but won for 0.99p is not getting a response from the vendor.
[19:49:17] <andypugh> It is their fault that they did not set a reserve, and put it in “everything else / other” rather than a sensible catecory.
[19:49:28] <Frank_10> the english made one?
[19:50:13] <andypugh> Yes, this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Watts-London-precision-12-inch-block-level-/182154537693
[19:51:05] <Frank_10> yeah, a pitty
[19:51:42] <andypugh> I have paid for it _and_ said I will actually gve then £20, but no response
[19:51:47] <Frank_10> im starting to hate my new starret 8 inch, it seems that its not that flat, it stands on 3 legs,
[19:52:05] <Frank_10> points*
[19:52:23] <andypugh> That might be deliberate?
[19:52:29] <Duc> on the EXE 602 should I use normal outputs or tristate?
[19:52:46] <Frank_10> WHaT?
[19:52:48] <Frank_10> lol
[19:53:28] <Duc> Im guessing normal outputs
[19:53:30] <Frank_10> i dont know if thats a joke, or not heh
[19:53:30] <enleth> Duc: tristate is for error signaling, isn't it?
[19:53:49] <Duc> enleth: not sure
[19:55:35] <Frank_10> my dream: build this.
http://imgur.com/Cpa1rTA
[20:03:14] <enleth> Duc: ah, no, error signaling is done on a dedicated line.
[20:03:59] <malcom2073> Frank_10: Not *that* expensive to do
[20:05:06] <Duc> enleth: looks like it adds a third state to what it can be High low and high impendence
[20:05:50] <andypugh> Frank_10: You need a bigger dream, how about:
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Travelling_Gantry_Machine.pdf
[20:07:03] <arauchfuss> god going from a renishaw at work to a wobbler at home is hell.
[20:07:14] <arauchfuss> got to build a probe for myself.
[20:07:44] <enleth> Duc: yeah, but I don't see *when* it goes high-Z
[20:07:51] <andypugh> arauchfuss: Top Tip Search eBay for “Renshaw” probes. Nobody else does, they end up cheaper. :-)
[20:09:51] <andypugh> arauchfuss: Actualy, you in the US?
[20:09:53] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USED-Renishaw-MP3-Touch-Probe-on-Shibauri-BT50-Taper-Shank-holder-/162083501417?hash=item25bcedf569:g:Z9MAAOSwR5dXRt0q
[20:10:20] <Frank_10> hahahaha, Funny fact: the principles are the same.
[20:11:00] <andypugh> Change the shank and swap the inductive thing for a simple connector. I did exactly that with mine.
[20:12:00] <arauchfuss> the that the arm sticking out of the side?
[20:12:32] <andypugh> Yes. The recievers are expensive and you probably don’t want to bother.
[20:12:54] <Sync> the optical ones are much nicer
[20:13:13] <andypugh> I got caried away and made my own Magsafe clone connector:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5866812284499794850
[20:13:40] <arauchfuss> the inductive thing comes off as a unit or do I need to machine it?
[20:13:53] <andypugh> But there is is, on a new shank with a simple wire:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5872702100440837842
[20:13:54] <arauchfuss> just curious.
[20:14:28] <andypugh> The inductive thing is a top-layer and the lower layer is still the normal 6-ball switch.
[20:15:02] <andypugh> Basically the switch shorts out an induction coil.
[20:15:35] <andypugh> The probe internals are entirely standard.
[20:15:38] <arauchfuss> that looks bloody huge.
[20:15:47] <andypugh> It’s not small, I admit
[20:15:51] <arauchfuss> I just have a desk mill
[20:16:03] <andypugh> I use a much shorter probe, and it’s OK.
[20:16:23] <andypugh> It’s actually shorter than my coaxial indicator.
[20:17:04] <andypugh> With the 1” stem and 3mm ball it’s fine.
[20:18:01] <andypugh> One of the smaller probes would probably be better, but it was cheap (I paid £50)
[20:18:04] <arauchfuss> just looked at the datasheet 70mm OD
[20:18:11] <arauchfuss> 60odd long
[20:18:15] <arauchfuss> not too bad
[20:18:32] <andypugh> The OD is no biggy, the length is the problem.
[20:18:58] <arauchfuss> I think you may have convinced me.
[20:19:07] <andypugh> As i say, with a short stem it’s fine, though that isn’t to say I wouldn’t like a littler one.
[20:19:08] <arauchfuss> I have plenty of z travel
[20:19:53] <andypugh> You just have to get a bit brave and remind yourself what you paid, not what it originally cost :-)
[20:21:39] <Sync> I have one of those om40 things
[20:22:26] <arauchfuss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENISHAW-MP3-PROBE-/262472830722?hash=item3d1c998f02:g:B4QAAOSwKfVXDv~H
[20:22:28] <arauchfuss> ohh
[20:23:15] <arauchfuss> no inductive connector.
[20:23:38] <arauchfuss> looks great.
[20:24:14] <arauchfuss> Sync: OMP-40 probably
[20:25:24] <arauchfuss> andypugh: The probe in that link look usable?
[20:27:42] <Sync> yeah arauchfuss
[20:28:00] <arauchfuss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENISHAW-MP3-360-DEG-OMP-/291786016465?hash=item43efcd46d1:g:bTkAAOSwqYBWnZvp
[20:28:25] <arauchfuss> nifty, wonder how hard it would be too figure out the comms.
[20:28:44] <arauchfuss> even longer though.
[20:29:44] <Sync> we already reversed the comms
[20:30:22] <andypugh> arauchfuss: 262472830722 is the one, it looks brand-new
[20:31:20] <andypugh> That connector you see plugs into the inductive bit, but is just a simple switch at that point. Solder wires to it and fit a shank
[20:31:46] <arauchfuss> yeah, thats what I figured.
[20:32:10] <arauchfuss> NC till it triggers
[20:32:26] <andypugh> It’s lovely, and mint conditiion with all the seals and bellows intact
[20:32:51] <Frank_10> whats better than talking to the cnc guys a thursday night? thats good life men lol
[20:32:52] <arauchfuss> too bad it is not buy it now.
[20:33:40] <andypugh> I hadn’t noticed that. But I suspect it isn’t getting much attention through having no shank,
[20:33:53] <arauchfuss> no watchers
[20:33:58] <arauchfuss> no I am hopeful
[20:34:28] <arauchfuss> *so
[20:35:01] <andypugh> The middle bit next to the connector is a spherical seat. That sits in a countersink in your shank then you adjust the 4 mounting screws to absolutely centre the ball to your spindle.
[20:35:57] <arauchfuss> ah, so it tilts, instead of how they do it now
[20:36:07] <andypugh> Most folk will think that without the super-special factory shank it is no good, but actually you don’t even need to make a great job of the shank, because it is all adjustable.
[20:36:57] <arauchfuss> I'll bring home a nice ring gauge and call it properly.
[20:37:14] <andypugh> Yds, if you look here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5872702100440837842 there are 4 bolts I was too lazy to shorten and a small gap all the way round.
[20:38:10] <andypugh> I set mine up with a DTI. for small deflections the probe force is just slightly higher than the DTI corce.
[20:38:14] <andypugh> (force)
[20:38:23] <Sync> andypugh: the renishaw shanks are suprisingly cheap
[20:38:38] <andypugh> Sync: So are the probes
[20:38:44] <Sync> yes
[20:38:49] <Sync> the styli are cheap
[20:38:55] <arauchfuss> I may even grab one of the worn out ones from work to start
[20:39:20] <andypugh> Examples:
http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-7549
[20:39:26] <arauchfuss> only a couple blemishes from striking quartz all day
[20:39:51] <Duc> andypugh: do raw counts take into account the scaling for a encoder?
[20:39:58] <andypugh> Really remarkably reasonably priced.
[20:40:19] <andypugh> Duc: No. The clue is in the name :-)
[20:40:27] <arauchfuss> for a precision bit of ruby yeah.
[20:40:36] <Duc> thats what I was thinking
[20:41:32] <PCW> raw counts is probably good for things like a simulated index
[20:42:59] <andypugh> PCW: and motor commutation
[20:43:20] <PCW> yeah
[20:44:03] <andypugh> Reversing the motor on index reset would not lead to happy users :-)
[20:44:46] <Duc> Im getting my butt kicked by a linear encoder
[20:45:10] <andypugh> Stand further away, they are not very agile.
[20:46:09] <Duc> last night I at least had counts in the thousands for raw and now its like 2-5 lol but I can see the signal change in the scope
[20:46:49] <andypugh> You may have lost a channel?
[20:47:08] <Duc> I can see both channels in the scope
[20:47:15] <andypugh> But anyway, I wish you luck with your investigations, I need to sleep.
[21:05:41] <Duc> I cant figure out if the scale is bad or the dam box. Now seems to count the rawcounts correctly but will only increment in one direction
[21:08:28] <enleth> Duc: you mean the EXE?
[21:09:08] <Duc> enleth: yea
[21:09:38] <enleth> Duc: there is a "debug" port, the funny blue one close to the input connector, one of the docs you sent lists the pins
[21:10:05] <enleth> basically it exposes the signals after the input stage amplifies them but before any processing
[21:10:12] <Duc> at times it looks like input A and input B start out high in the scope so am I getting a reliable output
[21:10:44] <enleth> if the amplifier outputs are bad, I'd blame the scale
[21:10:50] <enleth> do you have another EXE to test with?
[21:11:25] <Duc> nope
[21:11:29] <Duc> just this one
[21:11:49] <Duc> do you know which line driver I had in my box
[21:11:56] <enleth> and where exactly do you attach the scope?
[21:11:58] <Duc> want to verify the switch selection is correct
[21:12:20] <Duc> Im using the linuxcnc scope on input-a and input-b
[21:12:57] <Duc> some how I dont own a scope
[21:13:00] <enleth> ah, ok
[21:13:13] <enleth> mesa card?
[21:13:18] <Duc> yep
[21:13:50] <enleth> so you can use spare input ports on the field I/O side as a poor man's scope, I think
[21:13:59] <enleth> they're capable of analog readouts
[21:14:27] <enleth> so if you move the scale slow enough, you should be able to see the waveform just fine
[21:15:20] <Duc> good idea
[21:15:33] <enleth> the line driver on your board is an MC3487
[21:16:35] <enleth> anyway, check the debug port outputs first, page 10 of the longer PDF
[21:17:58] <enleth> you should be getting two clean triangle waves just as pictured
[21:18:17] <enleth> if they're steady and free of glitches, the scale is probably fine
[21:18:30] <Duc> I wonder if the pins are mixed up and I and I have the ref signal
[21:18:41] <Duc> Hooking into debug plug now
[21:19:13] <enleth> it's 0-5V on all pins so it's perfectly safe for mesa
[21:22:21] <enleth> the scale's raw resolution is probably pretty low, which is the very point of a sin/cos scale/encoder, so you should be able to easily hit peaks on the waveform by just moving the readhead manually
[21:23:09] <Duc> does the 7i77 have a analog in?
[21:23:39] <Duc> nm the inputs can be used
[21:24:41] <enleth> ywah, every input is analog
[21:25:27] <enleth> not much resolution, and it's over the full voltage range up to 36V so a 3Vpp signal will be pretty compressed, but the waveform should be legible
[21:26:02] <enleth> no idea about the sampling rate, though
[21:26:33] <Duc> looks like the 2 pins the farthest from the connector should be it
[21:28:24] <enleth> I think the table on page 10 lists pins starting with the one closest to the input connector
[21:29:54] <enleth> so the one with the steel insert is going to be reference mark signal
[21:30:39] <enleth> no, wait, there are 7 pins on the connector and only 6 are mentioned by the doc
[21:30:47] <enleth> so one of them might be NC
[21:30:51] <Duc> yep steel I think is a screw or alignment
[21:31:07] <enleth> alignment it is
[21:31:39] <enleth> but I'm sure that the second pin counting from board edge is U0
[21:32:03] <enleth> first should be reference pulse
[21:32:19] <Duc> so how do we use a input as analog
[21:32:54] <enleth> heh, actually no idea, haven't done that yet
[21:33:10] <enleth> but it's the best bet you have
[21:33:25] <Duc> pcw: how do we switch a input to analog mode on a 7i77
[21:34:13] <enleth> ok, I'm out for today, it's 4 in the morning
[21:34:45] <Duc> ok thanks for th ehelp
[21:34:52] <Duc> I may just order a scope
[21:44:25] <jdh> good idea.
[21:45:29] <Duc> I wonder whats a good one to purchase
[21:46:36] <Duc> the prices just seem cheap on ebay
[21:47:10] <Tom_itx> rigol seem good
[21:48:29] <jdh> cheap rigol + keygen
[21:49:10] <Duc> keygen?
[21:49:52] <Tom_itx> http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1102E.html?gclid=CP3-3MPxmc0CFZSMaQodo1sBCQ
[21:51:13] <Duc> ah
[21:51:24] <Duc> I might have to go cheaper LOL
[21:51:55] <Tom_itx> 5v signals?
[21:52:05] <Tom_itx> you could get a logic analyzer
[21:52:13] <Tom_itx> saleae are good
[21:52:31] <Tom_itx> their more expensive ones handle up to 10v
[21:52:55] <Tom_itx> https://www.saleae.com/
[21:54:06] <Duc> 5v signal but I will probably use this for other things also
[21:54:23] <Tom_itx> i used mine to set up my spindle signals from the mesa card
[21:55:06] <Duc> that is rather cool
[21:55:39] <Tom_itx> i seldom use my scope
[21:56:15] <Duc> thats part of my problem. rarely would I use it
[21:56:32] <Tom_itx> get a saleae then or a saleae clone
[21:56:42] <Tom_itx> i preferred the real thing
[21:58:23] <Duc> been years since I used a digital or analog scope
[21:58:33] <Duc> I may just end up with one of those
[21:58:47] <Tom_itx> they help take the guesswork out
[22:00:00] <Duc> they would. shame most dont come with probes on ebay
[22:00:21] <Tom_itx> so get the real thing
[22:00:40] <Tom_itx> i ordered an extra set of bare wires for mine
[22:01:22] <Tom_itx> https://www.saleae.com/accessories
[22:03:25] <Duc> I should check a garage sale on friday to see what they have
[22:04:01] <Tom_itx> a bunch of junk they didn't want anymore
[22:04:03] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:04:29] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-TDS-310-TDS310-Two-Channel-2-ch-50MHz-200Ms-s-Oscilloscope-Digital-/191874033289?hash=item2cac956689:g:kwIAAOSw9VZXOhiL
[22:08:37] <Duc> actually this maybe the best one so far
[22:08:39] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-TDS-460A-4-Channel-Digitizing-Oscilloscope-400MHz-4x-Probes-/122008196874?hash=item1c6841570a:g:BcYAAOSwQupXUgaA
