#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-06-07

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[01:03:41] <witnit> Anyone want to quote some production turning work? 200-1000 pcs?
[01:10:34] <FloppyDisk> Ummm, 9x20 isn't really up to that job:-) Plus, I need to install the on/off switch that I broke...
[01:10:42] <tiwake> http://imgur.com/gallery/c3sO4As
[01:11:50] <FloppyDisk> whoops...
[02:23:51] <mase-tech> Hi people
[02:24:06] <alex4nder> hey
[02:24:08] <mase-tech> Summer day in germany
[02:24:25] <mase-tech> 20 °C
[02:24:33] <mase-tech> 9 oclock
[02:27:23] <mase-tech> moin
[02:27:30] <CaptHindsight> was ist los? der Hund ist los! gute Nacht!
[02:27:38] <Deejay> moin
[02:28:13] <CaptHindsight> 2 o'clock
[02:28:42] <mase-tech> 7 hours behind u must be overnighted murican
[02:28:55] <CaptHindsight> uhmerikan
[02:30:17] <mase-tech> uhmerikan ?
[02:32:42] <CaptHindsight> look at the sign behind the president https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA
[02:38:18] <mase-tech> i don t understand this shit
[02:40:18] <CaptHindsight> stupid prevails, look for it on the news about us for the next several years
[03:20:19] <mase-tech> america is getting more like germany, getting political idiots elected
[03:21:18] <mase-tech> I hoped sanders would made it
[04:49:47] <XXCoder> andy videos awesome
[04:49:54] <XXCoder> really enjoyed captions
[04:49:58] <XXCoder> too bad hes not in now lol
[07:12:10] <jthornton> if you swap the vcc and gnd on your oled it fries it lol
[07:12:25] <_methods> oops
[07:12:45] <jthornton> one is backwards from the other lol
[07:13:13] <_methods> you have extra oled?
[07:13:36] <jthornton> just some 0.96" ones, I fried the 1.3
[07:13:40] <jthornton> " one
[07:13:59] <_methods> chinese oleds?
[07:14:07] <jthornton> yea
[07:14:10] <_methods> their cheap at least
[07:14:28] <_methods> i always buy a few extra when i do a chinese project
[07:14:39] <_methods> for unforseen situations
[07:14:40] <_methods> lol
[07:14:43] <jthornton> I wish I could get one to work on the nano
[07:14:54] <_methods> still no functional i2c?
[07:15:18] <jthornton> I can get it to work with the Atmega328p and the Uno but not the nano
[07:15:37] <_methods> weird
[07:16:02] <jthornton> yea and I have both types of nano's to test with
[07:16:55] <tomp> ot: thesis paper using linuxcnc & arduino for microEDM (uEDM) http://www.redalyc.org/articulo.oa?id=76831766004
[07:17:11] <_methods> oh the color oleds are still kinda spendy
[07:17:42] <jthornton> $12 for a 1.3" blue one from amazon
[07:18:48] * Tom_itx marks the '+' RED for jthornton
[07:22:53] <_methods> the rgb 2" ones are like $28
[07:23:51] <_methods> be kinda fun to add one of those to a router to display info about the router
[07:23:59] <_methods> ip address, # connections
[07:24:02] <jthornton> link?
[07:24:04] <_methods> stuff like that
[07:24:11] <_methods> for the rgb oled?
[07:24:20] <jthornton> aye
[07:24:25] <_methods> 0ne sec
[07:24:49] <_methods> gotta find it again
[07:25:06] <Tom_itx> lots on ebay
[07:25:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HQ-0-96-96-64-RGB-Color-OLED-Graphic-Display-C1-1-/381487206329?hash=item58d268cfb9:g:FR0AAOSw5VFWPINe
[07:25:26] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-Serial-UART-I2C-SPI-True-Color-OLED-160x128-Display-Module-for-Arduino-PIC-/251484238986?hash=item3a8da0f48a:g:Q10AAOSwyjBW6hsT
[07:25:28] <Tom_itx> one for 2 bux
[07:25:41] <Tom_itx> oh you want cereal
[07:25:50] <_methods> yeah he wanted i2c
[07:25:53] <_methods> well i assumed so
[07:26:38] <_methods> oh cheaper one
[07:26:40] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-Serial-UART-I2C-SPI-True-Color-TFT-LCD-160x128-Display-Module-for-Arduino/251856283965?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36861%26meid%3Def3eee609fb94687a055ca1438a8b0a8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251484238986
[07:26:53] <_methods> $14.29
[07:38:22] <jthornton> I think I'll try one
[07:43:47] <_methods> yeah i grabbed a couple of them myself
[08:02:34] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/avr/oled01.jpg
[08:02:58] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2015.JPG
[08:09:35] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:30:47] <_methods> blast cabinet coming right along
[08:31:11] <_methods> what kind of 50ton brake did you say you have
[08:32:19] <archivist> I wonder why bending presses became known as brakes
[08:34:20] <Sync> because they break your fingers
[08:34:40] <JT-Shop> the 50 ton press is a cheap one that works in the H frame press
[08:34:46] <_methods> i don't know you crazy brits named em
[08:34:51] <_methods> ah
[08:34:55] <_methods> did you build it?
[08:35:53] <_methods> i guess you broke the cabinet legs on your 3in1 brake?
[08:36:18] <JT-Shop> the 3-1 is for light stuff only'
[08:36:21] <archivist> I small press followed me home Sunday :)
[08:36:28] <archivist> i/a
[08:36:43] <_methods> so what'd you do the legs with?
[08:37:08] <JT-Shop> the press brake
[08:37:18] <_methods> the 50 ton?
[08:37:48] <JT-Shop> kinda like this one http://shopdawg.com/
[08:37:53] <JT-Shop> but 26" long
[08:38:57] <_methods> ah cool
[08:39:03] <_methods> yeah i need to make one of those
[08:39:59] <_methods> all i have is one of those little grizzly hand brakes
[08:40:46] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Mini-Brake/T10726?utm_campaign=zPage
[08:40:53] <_methods> great for making little brackets and stuff
[08:41:18] <archivist> vice n hammer?
[08:41:26] <_methods> i used to do that
[08:41:36] <_methods> but i got sick of the inconsistent bends
[08:41:52] <_methods> and $100 for that thing makes it so much easier
[08:42:25] <JT-Shop> I have this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Pan-Box-Brake-12-Gauge/G0542
[08:42:46] <_methods> yeah if i had more room......
[08:42:50] <JT-Shop> and this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/30-3-in-1-Sheet-Metal-Machine/G4011Z
[08:42:54] <_methods> that would be nice for sure
[08:43:04] <_methods> yeah how is that 3 in 1?
[08:43:16] <archivist> I was usually working at a smaller scale so vice with smooth grip for most
[08:43:25] <JT-Shop> it's ok but for thin stock only
[08:44:20] <_methods> yeah i think at this point i need one of the h frame ones for heavier stuff
[08:44:56] <JT-Shop> I just missed a 55ton iron worker last week
[08:45:02] <_methods> ah that sux
[08:45:09] <_methods> those things are handy
[08:46:01] <archivist> I should make some bending dies for the fly press
[08:46:03] <JT-Shop> can't find a link to the press brake :(
[08:47:02] <__rob> is "tapered down" smaller at the bottom than the top ?
[08:47:32] <_methods> um
[08:47:34] <archivist> smaller than where you started from
[08:47:59] <_methods> paper or plastic.........yes
[08:48:09] <JT-Shop> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_21896_21896
[08:48:45] <JT-Shop> here is the one I have http://www.terapeak.com/worth/northstar-press-brake-for-40-ton-shop-press-29in-l-145532a/391034979446/
[08:49:05] <JT-Shop> crappy fit between the pins and sleeves
[08:49:10] <JT-Shop> time to dig!
[08:49:17] <_methods> yeah i figured i'd just make one like that
[08:49:38] <_methods> try to find some cheap tooling at auction then attach it to a body like that
[08:50:19] <_methods> but press brake tooling never seems to go cheap
[08:53:56] <archivist> been restoring a few bits of press tooling yesterday and today, some have very close tolerances
[08:54:21] <_methods> press brake tooling?
[08:54:37] <_methods> or punch out hole type?
[08:55:29] <archivist> punch hole and and name and blanking, 4 stages in one
[08:55:37] <_methods> ah yeah
[08:55:42] <_methods> that stuff is usually pretty tight
[08:56:52] <archivist> I got three die sets and none of them sit in the fly press throat nicely
[08:59:22] <_methods> ouch
[09:00:12] <archivist> I cannot complain at the prices :)
[09:00:37] <_methods> yeah that's the good thing about knowing how to use old tooling
[09:00:46] <_methods> you can pick it up for cheap
[09:01:49] <archivist> iirc the three die sets were £5, the fly press I was at a farm on Sunday, tried to wind up the owner of the press to restore it
[09:02:03] <archivist> it came home :)
[09:02:09] <_methods> hahah
[10:12:56] <Frank_9> buenos dias
[10:22:00] <enleth> the guys at Emco like to price their spare parts pretty high
[10:22:14] <enleth> the X lead screw mount is 54GBP
[10:23:58] <CaptHindsight> most businesses aren't charities, they think hoard money vs spend money
[10:23:59] <Frank_9> auch
[10:24:37] <Frank_9> same thing happens with my spray paint gun parts
[10:26:16] <gregcnc> they aren't complicated. just make it certainly it will be cheaper.....
[10:26:46] <Frank_9> about making it... i want to build my electrical enclosure
[10:29:20] <CaptHindsight> thought for the day: When I'm president, we're going to have magnificent databases. The best databases, not loser databases like Biden's. Just tremendous, tremendous databases. We'll make Latvia pay for it, and there won't be any Mexican DNA in that database either, until we can figure out what's going on. We're going to have DNA that'll make your head spin.
[10:30:57] <_methods> lol
[10:31:30] <Frank_9> indeed
[10:39:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router look what he's selling now ...
[10:40:13] <CaptHindsight> G0704 for $3800
[10:40:43] <_methods> special price
[10:40:45] <CaptHindsight> mach 3 PC with LPT port for $300
[10:41:12] <gregcnc> that's the kelling guy?
[10:41:12] <CaptHindsight> "We can installed the LinuxCNC too if you need it"
[10:41:16] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[10:42:09] <CaptHindsight> K. E. Ling = Keling
[10:43:34] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if people would care if you sold the same mills and routers but if they were already fixed and accurate
[10:45:33] <CaptHindsight> I've seen most of these up close. Most looked like they were painted with a mop.
[10:46:26] <enleth> >Email: Automationtechinc@yahoo.com
[10:46:28] <enleth> what
[10:46:39] <_methods> isn't a g0704 like $1200 normally?
[10:47:39] <CaptHindsight> enleth: he has a PhD from the U of Illinois in ME
[10:48:36] <enleth> maybe he was good at football or something
[10:48:38] <CaptHindsight> _methods: $1225 at Grizzly
[10:48:52] <Frank_9> ll
[10:48:53] <Frank_9> lol
[10:49:14] <CaptHindsight> nah, he's from China
[10:49:17] <Polymorphism> ballscrews and rails shipped today
[10:49:23] <Polymorphism> motors and drivers arrived yesterday
[10:49:25] <Polymorphism> zlog
[10:49:32] <CaptHindsight> and he just did as he was told and passed the math tests
[10:49:56] <Polymorphism> Igus CF10 TPE shielded chainflex cable, 12 feet 14/4, 7 feet 26/12, and 30 feet of 18/4 $146 is the final order for today. that just leaves tools and any sort of dust collection
[10:50:30] <CaptHindsight> well behaved student
[10:51:26] <_methods> wtf is the special price all about?
[10:51:49] <CaptHindsight> ah, it's already converted to CNC
[10:51:54] <_methods> oh it's actually converted lol
[10:51:57] <_methods> doh
[10:52:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/g0704cnc
[10:52:46] <_methods> did he even use ballscrews?
[10:52:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/featured-cnc-products/sx2lmill only $3400 Special Price for you
[10:52:57] <_methods> can't see ballscrews mentioned anywhere
[10:53:19] <skunkworks> iirc it has two races but no shim adjustment between them
[10:53:20] <CaptHindsight> Chinese ballscrews very strong
[10:53:31] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, out of the matsuura - Z axis
[10:53:45] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/DSC_7655.JPG
[10:53:57] <_methods> proper ballsnut
[10:54:13] <enleth> Polymorphism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os66cID30Ek - one thing you might consider getting if you haven't already. The crimpers this guy shows are rather expensive, but there's one cheap and very solid type available: http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB19E3_IXXXXXbmXFXXq6xXFXXX5/HSC8-6-4A-End-sleeves-Crimping-Plier-Self-Adjusting-Ratcheting-Ferrule-Crimper-E2shopping.jpg
[10:54:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfTgmLqWQU CNC G0704 Part 4 - Y Axis Installation
[10:55:05] <Polymorphism> enleth, ty for the link
[10:55:19] <Polymorphism> I still need to figure out how I'll wire it all up internally
[10:55:33] <Polymorphism> going to cut a primitive box on the radial arm saw
[10:55:39] <Polymorphism> then later use the machine for something nicer
[10:55:40] <enleth> _methods: "special price for you my friend" is an aliexpress/alibaba/taobao/etc in-joke and an actual phrase used by the chinese sellers
[10:56:39] <enleth> _methods: there are a lot of phrases like this that sound extremely cheesy and weird for westerners but they're perfectly legitimate in chinese culture
[10:56:46] <Polymorphism> I understand why I would use ferrules enleth , I could also just solder all connections?
[10:56:58] <enleth> Polymorphism: don't
[10:57:13] <enleth> Polymorphism: it takes more time, it's harder to modify and weakens the connection
[10:57:33] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: are they still tight?
[10:57:36] <Polymorphism> enleth,
[10:57:45] <Polymorphism> so put ferroules on all wires going into the leadshine driver?
[10:57:54] <Polymorphism> is that what you mean
[10:57:56] <enleth> Polymorphism: for screw terminals, yes
[10:57:58] <Polymorphism> ok
[10:58:00] <Polymorphism> got it
[10:58:31] <enleth> Polymorphism: especially the ones where the end of the screw is not covered by a piece of spring steel
[10:58:51] <enleth> a screw being tightened directly onto stranded copper wire cuts through strands
[10:59:14] <enleth> and any wire movement will tend to break off further strands one by one, until it fails completely
[10:59:42] <Polymorphism> ferroule packs look quite inexpensive on amazon
[10:59:46] <Polymorphism> sounds like cheap insurance
[10:59:47] <enleth> a steel ferrule will take the punishment just fine and compress the strands within without breaking
[10:59:53] <enleth> yeah, they're dirt cheap
[10:59:58] <Polymorphism> just need a crimper....
[11:00:05] <Polymorphism> my normal crimper probablyt wont work
[11:00:07] <enleth> and the crimper like the one I linked should be below $15
[11:00:12] <Polymorphism> oh ok, thats not bad
[11:00:18] <FloppyDisk> Ask someone from Germany about ferrules and soldering... I got lectured more than once...
[11:00:30] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, we took it out because it had around .0015ish backlash. it seems fine - same over the whole distance. might just shim it and see
[11:00:34] <enleth> FloppyDisk: how so?
[11:00:37] <Deejay> re
[11:00:38] <Polymorphism> FloppyDisk, they prefer the ferroules?
[11:00:45] <FloppyDisk> And, yes, the ebay ferrule crimper will do you right.
[11:00:55] <Polymorphism> -u
[11:01:01] <Polymorphism> +u -o
[11:01:10] <FloppyDisk> enleth - worked w/ a German guy who was at VW years back, was told you could goto jail for not using ferrules... :-)
[11:01:34] <enleth> FloppyDisk: I like that way of thinking
[11:01:35] <FloppyDisk> Also, the soldering is against some US code, although we did a bunch of it, I would agree, don't solder.
[11:01:49] <Polymorphism> alright
[11:01:54] <Polymorphism> I gotta run, bbl
[11:02:10] <_methods> yeah you can only lie about emissions
[11:02:11] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, I also got lectured on metric measurments (which I do agree w/ btw) and paper size for drawings.
[11:02:14] <_methods> no cheating in ferrules
[11:02:31] <FloppyDisk> The a1, a2, vs. Iso and folding them, Much nicer the euro standard.
[11:02:48] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: I haven't pulled the one out of my 760 yet
[11:02:49] <gregcnc> folding them so the title block is visible?
[11:03:11] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: not exactly easy to get to
[11:03:12] <Sync> FloppyDisk: the problem is that the solder flows under pressure
[11:03:21] <Sync> so you get loose connections over the years
[11:03:21] <skunkworks> no - we took some short cuts...
[11:03:32] <Sync> compressed ferrules don't do that
[11:03:52] <FloppyDisk> But... How do you change multiple departs (engr, manu, machine shop, quality, etc) to metric or drawing paper size in one day when everyone is on a different standard. Either a stick, over time, or not at all...
[11:04:03] <skunkworks> pulled the bottom bearing off, pulled the top bearing assembly off - jacked Z up far enough to get to the ball nut bolts..
[11:04:09] <enleth> Sync: the leftover flux might be a long-term problem as well
[11:04:59] <Sync> not really
[11:05:10] <FloppyDisk> gregcnc - yeah, folding the pages and also the larger sizes (forget size, but poster size) will fold into a binder size and show the title block. I forget exactly, it wasnice, though.
[11:06:15] <gregcnc> I worked at a local place that was German some time ago now. Lots of fun when designs are metric but stock is fractional
[11:06:28] <Sync> http://irti.ru/picture_library/falc_DIN-824.png
[11:06:36] <CaptHindsight> I was once pulled over by the German ferrule police. Not fun!
[11:06:38] <Sync> http://ww3.cad.de/foren/ubb/uploads/GuG/DIN824.gif
[11:06:52] <Sync> of course there is a standard on how to fold that shiet
[11:07:16] <CaptHindsight> "show us your crimpers"
[11:07:17] <gregcnc> DIN standarss must be as big as US tax code
[11:07:34] <enleth> Sync: heard stories from old time electricians, so it might have been the flux they used decades ago.
[11:07:53] <Sync> yes, if you used acid flux it is an issue
[11:07:59] <Sync> but that is not common anymore
[11:08:04] <Sync> rosin is fine
[11:08:16] <enleth> makes sense
[11:10:10] <Frank_9> what do you think, should i make an electrical enclosure frame with structural square steel and screw sheet metal to it, or send to bend some sheet metal and weld the enclosure?
[11:10:23] <Sync> doesn't matter
[11:13:00] <enleth> Frank_9: unless you're going to house something extremely heavy inside, like a huge transformer, sheet steel alone will be fine
[11:13:20] <enleth> (if you are, thicker sheet steel will also be fine)
[11:13:37] <enleth> Sync: come to think of it, acid flux is still being used by plumbers, and it's still pretty common that plumbers and tile layers also do wiring in people's kitchens and bathrooms (even though they have exactly zero business doing that), so it's certainly possible that they would be using the same flux because they don't know any better or don't give a shit.
[11:13:55] <Frank_9> yeah, and im thinking sheet metal is less work,
[11:13:58] <enleth> That's enough reason for lawmakers to ban soldering outright in household wiring, just to be safe.
[11:15:04] <Sync> no, the reason is that the connections fail over time
[11:15:17] <Sync> and better connection techniques have appeared
[11:27:55] <CaptHindsight> fooking websites, you log in and they have NO logout tab
[11:33:30] <djdelorie> even the original http AUTH has no de-auth, you have to close the browser
[11:33:40] <__rob> 0
[11:34:11] <CaptHindsight> enleth: laws like having to solder joints is done to protect the local electricians jobs
[11:37:00] <enleth> CaptHindsight: uh, what?
[11:38:04] <CaptHindsight> enleth: haven't you dealt with building departments and contractors?
[11:38:26] <enleth> CaptHindsight: I'm not in the US
[11:38:27] <CaptHindsight> it's based on lots more tradition than engineering and science
[11:39:37] <CaptHindsight> you find that is what is behind the lack of progress the world over
[11:40:11] <CaptHindsight> politics
[11:43:44] <djdelorie> the inspectors in my area were able to explain everything in terms of common sense... which was a pleasant surprise
[12:13:19] <maxcnc> hi all from a thundery germany today
[12:13:32] <maxcnc> did hit the full thunderstorm on lunch
[12:23:52] <yasnak> tornado here
[12:37:55] <CaptHindsight> laser marking systems tend to not mention their spot size at the target since that would make it too easy to compare the specs between systems
[12:38:57] <CaptHindsight> the bigger the co selling them the more sophisticated the marketing BS
[12:49:21] <gregcnc> comment in random internet article "It's a damned shame that here we are in 2016 and people are still trying to push the French metric system on the world.
[12:49:26] <gregcnc> It's an even greater shame that the majority of people do not recognize the historical relationship of the "inch" to God's cubit which has been called "the sacred cubit". Obviously every generation not only gets further from the blessings we garnered from the covenant but do not even recognize the importance of the origin; so much so that even as an arrogant 'generation' becomes more...
[12:49:28] <gregcnc> ...advanced with 'some' knowledge, this itself was prophesied."
[12:50:48] <archivist> there was a french inch too :)
[12:52:54] <DaViruz> the russian inch is interesting. it's huge
[12:54:01] <_methods> you should see a black inch
[12:55:38] <_methods> trump inches are yuge too
[12:57:45] <CaptHindsight> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggge
[12:58:05] <_methods> https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/U6dlnzUUFHBC1noyMI-l5H_t9fg=/0x36:630x456/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49793667/5756d2721200005602895991.0.0.jpeg
[12:58:22] <CaptHindsight> haha
[12:58:27] <_methods> nightmare fuel
[12:58:47] <CaptHindsight> she almost pulled it off
[12:58:47] <gregcnc> can't unsee i should have learned by now
[12:58:48] <_methods> trump the artist formerly known as meryl streep
[13:03:43] <CaptHindsight> a laser marker head with actual specs! http://www.synrad.com/Products/flyer3d.htm
[13:05:35] <gregcnc> I need to find a video of this running http://www.mdtooling.com/images/Mori_turret_54_tools.jpg
[13:06:07] <archivist> swiss army knife turret
[13:08:05] <SpeedEvil> At some point, it's probably easier to just admit defeat and make a robot to pull them off a lot of holes drilled in a board.
[13:08:58] <_methods> holy turret batman
[13:13:18] <gregcnc> live tool broaching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B41W5ufmnUI
[13:14:49] <_methods> ah spiffy
[13:20:39] <maxcnc> GN8
[13:20:48] <Tom_itx> looks like a woodpecker
[13:23:00] <Jymmm> WAY OT: Does anyone use a pump (pesticide/insecticide) spray that can shoot a stream 12-14 feet ?
[13:23:08] <Jymmm> sprayer*
[13:23:18] <Tom_itx> get a tree sprayer
[13:23:23] <Jymmm> ?
[13:24:08] <Tom_itx> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200578567_200578567
[13:24:28] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Or a hose attachment
[13:24:29] <Jymmm> oh gawd, lol
[13:24:41] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: no water pressure - that's the issue
[13:24:54] <SpeedEvil> pressure washer
[13:25:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: continuous or pulsed?
[13:25:47] <CaptHindsight> sounds like he's got some pretty perky insects
[13:25:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: guess it dont matter
[13:26:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: under the eaves for wasp nests; under the vents for ant nests
[13:26:40] <Tom_itx> those canned sprays will shoot that far
[13:26:41] <Tom_itx> raid
[13:27:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: not on 1/3 acre =)
[13:27:20] <CaptHindsight> what semi-domesticated animals eat both wasps and ants?
[13:27:33] <Jymmm> goats? lol
[13:27:42] <Tom_itx> if you get enough cans ...
[13:27:46] <CaptHindsight> flying goats
[13:27:57] <Jymmm> lizards?
[13:28:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: too pricy =)
[13:28:31] <Jymmm> Just need something that has some distance on it
[13:28:48] <CaptHindsight> next months top news story: Northern Cal seems to be infested with lizards
[13:28:55] <Tom_itx> just swat em with a broom
[13:29:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol
[13:29:47] <CaptHindsight> those water guns you pump shoot that far
[13:29:56] <CaptHindsight> might be too big a splash
[13:29:59] <_methods> heheh super death soaker
[13:30:25] <Jymmm> The stuff I have I had to register to buy, so it just might be =)
[13:30:34] <Tom_itx> you can use weed killer and write messages in your neighbor's lawn too
[13:30:47] <_methods> fill it with hydrofluoric acid
[13:30:59] <CaptHindsight> for about 2 seconds
[13:30:59] <_methods> write messages on your neighbors face
[13:31:18] <Jymmm> _methods: you've been watching too much TV
[13:31:29] <gregcnc> dang Let me know where you live so I don't move there
[13:31:32] <Jymmm> (that was an episode on Luther)
[13:33:27] <_methods> don't know wtf luther is
[13:33:39] <Jymmm> BBC drama
[13:34:09] <Jymmm> _methods: on netflix, prety good... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vk2lp
[13:34:14] <_methods> http://machinerynetworkauctions.com/upcoming-auctions/product/116-aar-auction-30-5-axis-machining-centers-cnc-boring-mill-and-turning-centers-huge-toolroom-and-quality-departments-complete-chemical-processing-line-complete-metallurgical-chemical-and-ndt-labs-and-equipment-over-1500-lots
[13:34:19] <_methods> man
[13:34:25] <_methods> nice auction
[13:35:21] <_methods> 30 5 axis machines
[13:35:31] <CaptHindsight> nah
[13:35:47] <CaptHindsight> 30 big ass 5 axis metal mutillators
[13:35:55] <_methods> no kidding
[13:36:02] <_methods> those 3 spindle cinci's
[13:36:09] <gregcnc> wow how much effect does something like this have on the market?
[13:36:14] <_methods> 50'
[13:36:25] <_methods> i have no idea but they were doing big stuff
[13:36:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: used machine sales are down
[13:36:30] <Sync> zero gregcnc
[13:36:43] <CaptHindsight> thats why they are selling the building that I am in
[13:36:44] <gregcnc> somebody in the market is probably buying them?
[13:36:55] <_methods> they had 2 machines with 100' tables
[13:36:58] <_methods> wtf
[13:37:19] <_methods> 100', 70' and 50'
[13:37:51] <CaptHindsight> at least in the USA since oil prices are low and much of the used machinery is used for oil equipment
[13:38:28] <gregcnc> looks like aircraft related
[13:38:30] <CaptHindsight> and support for that industry
[13:39:32] <Sync> aircraft or oil
[13:40:36] <gregcnc> http://www.aarcorp.com/
[13:41:13] <Sync> yeah
[13:41:15] <CaptHindsight> who has ~5k sq ft of space for rent?
[13:42:06] <Not-Renny> Hey, has anyone here done a crankshaft before?
[13:42:34] <_methods> i'm not into that kinky stuff
[13:44:26] <Not-Renny> >_>
[13:44:48] <gregcnc> what are you building?
[13:44:54] <CaptHindsight> Not-Renny: andy reworked one that was several lbs out of balance
[13:44:54] <Jymmm> _methods: THE HELL YOUR NOT!!!
[13:45:04] <_methods> hahah
[13:45:37] <Not-Renny> I, uh, designed a kind of convoluted crankshaft and I don't even know if it would be effective....
[13:45:56] <Not-Renny> gregcnc, I'm going to try to do a Stirling engine
[13:46:18] <CaptHindsight> does it move pistons without the need for connecting rods?
[13:46:25] <gregcnc> existing designs not suitable?
[13:47:01] <Not-Renny> Noh, I must BS my own stuff!
[13:47:02] <CaptHindsight> made entirely from reconstituted cream cheese
[13:47:12] <Not-Renny> https://imgur.com/XE8dEZo
[13:47:37] <CaptHindsight> wood?
[13:47:48] <Not-Renny> Aluminium, teflon
[13:48:30] <Not-Renny> No, my 3d printer design is set to be made almost entirely from wood, though.
[13:48:31] <CaptHindsight> lotsa mass movin there
[13:49:01] <Not-Renny> :)?
[13:49:05] <Not-Renny> Hm?*
[13:49:15] <CaptHindsight> 1-2 inches of stroke?
[13:49:16] <Not-Renny> What the poop, autocorrect
[13:49:43] <Not-Renny> One piston has range of 5/8 inch, displacer piston has 1.5 inches
[13:50:08] <Not-Renny> Don't ask me how that worked out, I just did the calculations and that's how it turned out
[13:50:20] <Not-Renny> Wait, crap
[13:50:41] * Not-Renny just realized he did the calculations for air, not helium
[13:54:06] <Not-Renny> But yeah. Do you think that's physically feasible CaptHindsight, or will there be too much flex in the parts?
[13:56:39] <CaptHindsight> I think that you should build it and learn from your mistakes
[14:00:50] <CaptHindsight> now where did my drawings go for that perpetual motion machine i had?
[14:00:52] <miss0r> Just finished the enclosure for my cnc. horray! https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7VUZ2LWpaRVhDMVk
[14:02:46] <Not-Renny> Heh, CaptHindsight, it works on the principle of persistence.
[14:03:04] <Not-Renny> It will move constantly and consistently because the maker keeps spinning it and will never stop.
[14:03:37] <miss0r> and I have already notised something that will cause annoyance. The doors needs to be held shut with magnets or something with simular effect - eleminate sounds caused by loose parts during vibrations
[14:04:32] <Not-Renny> Bootiful, miss0r
[14:08:18] <miss0r> Thank you. Any improvement thoughts?
[14:09:13] <_methods> add some blinking lights
[14:09:59] <miss0r> the lack of mains power take care of then, when I push the machine, so i technically already have that :)
[14:10:06] <_methods> heheh
[14:10:18] <_methods> pics of naked chicks?
[14:10:40] <miss0r> on the wall begind me, taking the photo - check
[14:11:03] * djdelorie takes bets on how many times he hits his head on the top rail before he removes it...
[14:11:03] <miss0r> what is with my typing today... 'BEHIND'
[14:11:25] <miss0r> djdelorie: yeah... I am wondering that myself.
[14:11:40] <Not-Renny> Why, internet?
[14:11:59] <miss0r> djdelorie: But with my current setup, that bar is critical for structural stability
[14:12:39] <djdelorie> could you move it a few inches closer to the mill? Might make a huge difference in head-hit-ness
[14:13:28] <miss0r> djdelorie: That would take up the clearence I have for head movement
[14:13:46] <djdelorie> You're doomed then. Wear a padded hat.
[14:14:01] <miss0r> hehe. that or I make it taller.. hmm
[14:14:35] <miss0r> like a great big arc or something in that order
[14:15:04] <djdelorie> if the verticals went *lower* you could add a cross-support below the mill
[14:15:59] <miss0r> I thought about it, but it worries me, that i might ding it, lifting in a heavy workpeice
[14:16:14] <miss0r> i'd much rather ding my head :)
[14:16:18] <djdelorie> like I said, doomed.
[14:17:15] <_methods> just wear a helmet
[14:17:21] <miss0r> when theres alot more money in my account, i'll make a better version with extruded aluminum profiles. and have the sites just stand alone, and be strong enough to support a door on each side
[14:17:36] <_methods> you should always wear a helmet
[14:17:40] <_methods> and flotation devices
[14:18:03] <miss0r> thats only for when i'm having soup ;)
[14:18:09] <_methods> hehe
[14:18:18] <_methods> danger soup
[14:19:08] <miss0r> _methods: thinking of this family guy stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbarqmAX_tM
[14:19:31] <miss0r> alright.. shitty video, but you get the idea
[14:20:09] <_methods> hehe
[14:20:26] <_methods> oh wow that is bad video
[14:20:46] <_methods> see peter griffin knows
[14:20:53] <_methods> helmet and flotation at all times
[14:24:30] <miss0r> _methods: Have you ever seen 'married, with children' ? theres an episode where al bundy builds his 'man toilet' in the basement. that is some funny stuff
[14:24:55] <miss0r> A real mens toilet doesn't "shissle" with the water. it goes "FLUSH".. hehe
[14:25:27] <miss0r> and he is doing a chalk drawing on the wall, of where his gun will be, in case someone wants to use his toilet
[14:26:08] <_methods> woah i haven't watched that show in a long time
[14:27:20] <miss0r> nor me. that that particular episode is mentioned around my buddies, whenever someone realy overdoes something
[14:27:31] <miss0r> but that* jees I can't type today
[14:30:47] <miss0r> perhaps I should stop ping flooding Not-Renny - i'm not sure he thinks it funny :P
[14:32:35] <_methods> hehe
[14:33:20] <miss0r> I can't remember, _methods, what mill are you running?
[14:33:36] <_methods> i just have a small x2
[14:34:07] <_methods> at work i have real cnc's though hehe
[14:34:10] <miss0r> not 'just'. one can get pretty good results on an x2
[14:34:18] <_methods> yeah it's not bad for the $$
[14:34:23] <_methods> it's not what you have
[14:34:32] <miss0r> yeah well, mines realy old
[14:34:49] <_methods> yeah well a lot of the really old machines are way better than these new ones
[14:35:54] <miss0r> That is true. mines almost flawless.. well - now it is. i've been doing alot of work on the hydraulic system lately.. But I have some issues to sort out. For some reason I get small withness marks doing a round shape. every time an axis has to change direction. some sort of backlash I think
[14:35:57] <_methods> and once you convert yours to linuxcnc you'd have a hard time finding a new machine for that price
[14:36:11] <miss0r> hehe. I am honnestly considering it.
[14:38:57] <miss0r> on your X2 are you using servos or steppers?
[14:39:03] <_methods> steppers
[14:39:18] <miss0r> what speeds are we talking?
[14:39:26] <miss0r> spindle/feed/rapid
[14:40:52] <_methods> hmm i don't know i never really pushed it or anything
[14:41:06] <_methods> and i'm always cutting steel so i was going very slow
[14:41:24] <_methods> 20-50mm/min
[14:41:34] <miss0r> on an X2, the standard spindle speed is what? 1000-2000?
[14:41:37] <_methods> it doesn't do well with steel
[14:41:50] <_methods> it has variable spindle speed
[14:41:55] <_methods> i put belt drive on it though
[14:42:14] <_methods> i never put a tach on it to see how fast it is now with belt mod
[14:42:17] <Hydrar> Isn't it just thyristor control speed regulation tho?
[14:42:20] <_methods> its much quieter though that's for sur
[14:42:23] <Hydrar> So it droops under load
[14:42:29] <miss0r> I am just trying to compare it to my PNC-3100
[14:42:30] <_methods> it probably does
[14:42:49] <_methods> it does waht i need it to
[14:43:04] <miss0r> true
[14:43:22] <miss0r> _methods: how does it compare to the old PNC-3100 ?
[14:43:32] <_methods> i have no idea
[14:43:39] <_methods> what is the pnc-3100?
[14:44:04] <_methods> ah the roland
[14:44:13] <_methods> i'm sure that thing is much better lol
[14:44:20] <miss0r> https://www.google.dk/search?q=camm-3+pnc-3100&biw=1440&bih=809&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCoL_S0JbNAhXkA5oKHfyeDS8Q_AUIBygC#imgrc=44pRx6ZMmvKP8M%3A
[14:45:08] <miss0r> I hardly use mine for anything other than engraving anymore. well, some plastics sometimes
[14:46:31] <miss0r> thats what I get installing two metric tons of cnc mill in my garage. heh
[14:46:38] <_methods> heheh
[14:46:49] <_methods> yeah you don't need that little toy now
[14:47:36] <miss0r> it does have its advantages thou. the big mill is only 5000rpm max. this one does 8000 - that comes in handy for the smaller mills
[14:48:25] <Hydrar> 8000 still sounds kinda low for smaller endmills
[14:48:27] <miss0r> what I need is something that can do 30000rpm or so
[14:48:34] <miss0r> Hydrar: yeah
[14:49:02] <miss0r> At some point I was thinking of mounting a dentist drill on it. and have 80k rpm for the 0.1mm endmills
[14:49:14] <Hydrar> At least ended up finding the issue with the KOSY at work, the hoses used to couple the screws to the steppers were indeed slipping
[14:49:45] <Hydrar> miss0r: Could always try those cheapo micro air die grinders
[14:50:12] <Hydrar> Then why someone would use garden hose to couple shafts in a CNC that costed 1500+$ is beyond me though
[14:50:27] <miss0r> Hydrar: "it was like that when I got it"
[14:50:53] <Hydrar> miss0r: It was indeed, my boss is the only owner of it
[14:51:01] <Hydrar> And he has never had the drive apart
[14:51:03] <miss0r> o_0
[14:51:30] <Hydrar> I was the first one to take it apart, the reason I did was cause the X ballnut was knocked out of the X carriage... ask UPS/Fedex why
[14:51:35] <miss0r> it was probally a case of "dare me to use garden hose, and hold my beer"
[14:52:02] <miss0r> err... what is the chinese translation for that, again?
[14:52:04] <Hydrar> Nah they actually did use it, I googled kosy slip and found a thread in swedish where a guy was asking why there was garden hose coupling on it :P
[14:52:24] <miss0r> that just sounds crazy to me
[14:52:38] <miss0r> I never liked using anything but bolted connections.
[14:52:42] <Hydrar> Well it's a entry-level micro CNC mill, I'm guessing they were cutting corners
[14:52:56] <Hydrar> And couln't use all-metal couplers because their tolerances probably aren't up to spec
[14:53:13] <miss0r> link for model?
[14:53:33] <Hydrar> miss0r, http://www.emc-webline.de/produkte_K3_LC_en.htm
[14:53:43] <Hydrar> Older version of this
[14:54:42] <miss0r> that does look sort of el'cheapo.
[14:55:02] <Hydrar> To say the least
[14:55:23] <Hydrar> The software is some god-awful mess of windows 2000 era stuff
[14:56:00] <miss0r> hmm. Windows 2000, in my opition, is something of the best microsoft ever made in newer time
[14:56:39] <andypugh> The difference between putting your item in the right catgory and the wrong category.
[14:56:40] <Hydrar> miss0r: Yep, just looks like it though, it has some really weird UI kinks
[14:56:41] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Watts-London-precision-12-inch-block-level-/182154537693?nma=true&si=KwulmQE9GOUAokJXVsGWo2ZRHeY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[14:56:56] <Hydrar> Like you have to hover the mouse for a second over a object before clicking or you can't select things
[14:57:08] <Hydrar> = my brain going into WTF mode
[14:57:19] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilgaer-Watts-12-Engineers-Precision-Block-Spirit-Machine-Level-in-box-130328-/301951684375?hash=item464db90f17%3Ag%3AurAAAOSwBLlVT32X&nma=true&si=KwulmQE9GOUAokJXVsGWo2ZRHeY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[14:57:19] <miss0r> hehehe
[14:57:27] <Hydrar> Also a cam operation is called a technology, because why not
[14:57:30] <Hydrar> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6AlHRVpNQgg/maxresdefault.jpg :P
[14:57:44] <Hydrar> This is the german version though, which is probably more understandable than the english translation
[14:58:17] <miss0r> so they have their own propreitary software?
[14:59:01] <Hydrar> Yep
[14:59:13] <Hydrar> Runs over RS232 with proprietary protocol as far as I can tell
[14:59:43] <miss0r> that just seems dumb :)
[14:59:56] <andypugh> Do you think that they will actually give me the spirit level for 99p?
[15:00:51] <Hydrar> miss0r, I'm running external gcode on it though, as soon as I saw the UI I noped all the way back out to the office and grabbed a inventor HSM trial
[15:01:06] <Hydrar> I dunno if it's the best thing, hardly the cheapest, but it does the job
[15:01:21] <miss0r> hehe yeah. i'm a Mastercam guy all the way
[15:01:49] <Hydrar> Is there a reasonably priced version of mastercam that individuals/startup can afford
[15:01:58] <miss0r> not cheap either. I took a course once, and they gave out CDs with mastercam on it. Made us promise to delete it - which I didnt...
[15:02:04] <Hydrar> lol
[15:02:11] <miss0r> Hydrar: thats gonna be a big fat NO
[15:08:19] <Hydrar> miss0r, That's what I suspected, considering there is no pricing info at all
[15:08:38] <miss0r> its in the neighboorhood of 10k usd
[15:08:42] <miss0r> per lisence
[15:10:35] <Nick-Shop> Any suggestions on how can I improve this halscope trace? http://imgur.com/m7wJCtf
[15:12:30] <Hydrar> miss0r: Inventor HSM is about 3k per year and that includes a inventor license iirc
[15:12:46] <Hydrar> Inventor itself is a bit "meh" though, but it gets the job done
[15:13:05] <Hydrar> Would prefer something that works on linux, but even the commercial million dollar cnc controls run windows nowadays, a security disaster imo :S
[15:13:53] <Hydrar> Windows 10 and the surrounding bullshit bothers me... company can't expect to stay on windows until 2020 even
[15:21:06] <tiwake> no kidding
[15:31:15] <Hydrar> I'm guessing it's a good idea to tell that to the sales people if you work for a moderatly large company dealing in CNC
[15:34:23] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB1GtNYxIf8
[15:34:46] <_methods> and that is why you go to college
[15:35:12] <Tecan> so you can afford a cup making machine
[15:35:16] <Jymmm> to party 24/7 for 2/4 years???
[15:35:21] <_methods> hahah
[15:35:27] <_methods> beer pong
[15:35:55] <_methods> beer pong and rape
[15:37:35] <SpeedEvil> I was idly pondering making a cup making machine
[15:37:51] <_methods> now you just need some people to stack the cups
[15:38:15] <SpeedEvil> Dump slug of hot glass into rotating slightly cooler than glass but still at annealing temp graphite more-or-less parabolic mold.
[15:38:30] <SpeedEvil> wait some seconds, flip it out, repeat
[15:39:04] <gregcnc> you'd think that someone looking for a cup machine may also want a stacking machine
[15:39:28] <Jymmm> _methods: You mean this... https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra
[15:39:41] <_methods> i'm just glad to know every plastic cup i've drank from has slave feet all up in them
[15:39:53] <Jymmm> _methods: That was posted 4 days ago btw
[15:40:01] <_methods> what?
[15:40:09] <_methods> rape cup
[15:40:31] <Jymmm> _methods: this was 4 days ago... https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra
[15:40:55] <_methods> oh look someone threw a perfectly good white girl in a dumpster
[15:42:08] * _methods nervously looks at plastic cup he's drinking from
[15:43:05] <XXCoder> yummy human feet flavored cups
[15:58:13] <Hydrar> That cup machine video at least explains why there's specially marked things for "sterile"
[15:58:13] <Hydrar> lol
[16:00:02] <Tecan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Fiberglass-Spray-Gun-Laminating-Gelcoat-Chopper-System-/131840738867?hash=item1eb2520633:g:8aQAAOSwNSxVW3yH
[16:00:40] <SpeedEvil> I have some fibre cheese to try pulltrusion with
[16:00:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321210152209
[16:01:32] <XXCoder> that cup thing made me wonder. they are not keeping up, and production can't have a break
[16:01:48] <XXCoder> does it mean they drown under cups evenually? :P
[16:01:58] <XXCoder> or just end of day run out of plastic
[16:04:46] <SpeedEvil> Or the guy running the plastic machine goes home early
[16:05:05] <XXCoder> hopefully after turning it off. lol
[16:34:47] <Jeebiss> Hey guys, Im currently in process of building a cnc machine and was comparing software to use. Could someone briefly explain linuxcnc vs something like mach3?
[16:35:40] <cradek> many hundreds of people have asked this question before - I suggest starting with a web search, and maybe coming here with more specific questions that are particular to your task
[16:38:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:38:20] <Jeebiss> Fair enough. I guess I'm not exactly sure what criteria I need to investigate. My machine is going to be 3 axis, but requires 2 motors for one axis due to size limitations. It's also not going to be a traditional router or printer set up so I am looking for flexibility in the control software for other types of systems.
[16:38:21] <cradek> partly because you don't want to use up the helpfulness of the good folks here, but also because aside from linuxcnc's technical superiority it's a question that's partly about personal preferences, and those can be tricky
[16:39:34] <cradek> the 2-motor situation is a little bit advanced, but something that linuxcnc can sure handle (in several ways depending on details of your setup)
[16:39:51] <cradek> for the other kinds of flexibility you'd have to say more
[16:41:14] <cradek> since the more specific your questions, the more helpful folks here can be
[16:43:33] <Jeebiss> Alright, one concern of mine is how much Linux knowledge linuxcnc requires. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'm like a 2 with Linux currently. Is my learning curve with it as a cnc controller going to be larger than with a windows based one as I am very familiar with Windows?
[16:44:04] <cradek> the OS install is much quicker and easier than windows
[16:45:00] <cradek> once installed it works in a pretty familiar way, but I don't know what problems you may run into
[16:45:20] <cradek> it's hard for me to know that, having used Linux for 20 years and Windows virtually never
[16:45:34] <Hydrar> I haven't used mach3 but I think the hal scripting looks fairly simple and flexible
[16:45:35] <cradek> I do know you can download it and try it for $0
[16:46:12] <cradek> the HAL level is very flexible and people find it easy or hard to use depending on their mindset/skills and whether they read the tutorial etc
[16:46:15] <Hydrar> I'm also considering building a machine, but linuxcnc feels way more solid in that I can expand it easily in software
[16:46:39] <Jeebiss> What exactly is HAL?
[16:47:17] <Hydrar> The scriptable hardware abstraction layer, essentially lets you connect inputs to functions and outputs, like a external button to a software function or the like
[16:47:34] <Hydrar> (Someone else correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm still reading into LCNC)
[16:47:34] <Jeebiss> Interesting.
[16:47:44] <cradek> it's the hardware abstraction layer. think of it like circuitry where you wire components together. one component is a step generator, another is the motion controller, etc
[16:48:14] <cradek> it's how you can wire up different kinds of tool changers, or limit switches, or a control panel
[16:48:48] <cradek> or your spindle drive takes fwd/rev signals and mine takes on/direction
[16:48:54] <cradek> y'know, all that stuff
[16:49:25] <cradek> if your machine is simple the autogenerated setup from the gui tool stepconf will just work fine
[16:49:27] <Jeebiss> In my prototype I'm likely going to be using things like DC motors and solenoids as I'm getting into some automation stuff.
[16:49:32] <cradek> yours with dual motors will need tweaking
[16:49:50] <cradek> if you have lots of automation you might use ladder, the software PLC included as part of linuxcnc
[16:50:11] <cradek> it makes things like timers and sequencing easier
[16:50:23] <Jeebiss> Interesting.
[16:50:40] <cradek> I always program toolchangers (which require a sequence of things to happen) in ladder
[16:51:23] <cradek> you can boot the live image and run sample configs of linuxcnc without even installing anything on a computer
[16:52:15] <cradek> I have to run, be back much later
[16:53:38] <Jeebiss> Would it fairly easily interface with this basic controller?
[16:53:42] <Jeebiss> SainSmart CNC TB6560 4 Axis Stepper Motor Controller https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0093Y8A1A/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_hWZvxbE3XTK1F
[16:53:57] <Jeebiss> That's what I'm currently testing with.
[16:55:45] <alex4nder> Jeebiss: yah
[16:56:02] <gregcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560
[16:56:36] <Hydrar> Looks like it works, even says in the customer questions and answers section
[16:58:11] <Hydrar> I'd probably go for something more robust for a big machine for production, but it looks like it'll get the job done
[17:00:17] <Hydrar> lol at the "these boards go bang"
[17:00:31] <Hydrar> Just like the pololu A4998 driver boards then
[17:32:30] <Hydrar> That blue TB6560 looks decently priced though, maybe it's worth a shot for this old machine disconnecting all the time from nccad
[17:38:09] <Hydrar> Can probably reuse the 24v toroid transformer from it, and loot the bridge rectifier
[17:40:23] <neckro23> Jeebiss: mach3 and linuxcnc are about equivalent in the "what the fuck does this do" factor, in my experience
[17:40:36] <neckro23> Jeebiss: also, they do more or less the same thing until you try to get fancy
[17:41:59] <Jeebiss> neckro23: do you think one surpasses the other in the fancy realm?
[17:43:10] <neckro23> Jeebiss: I'm barely ahead of you as far as figuring this stuff out, but linuxcnc seems more customizable
[17:43:30] <neckro23> I've actually been using both, have my controller dual-booting linux/win7
[17:44:22] <neckro23> mostly been using mach3 because we had a license and it Just Works in its own horrible way
[17:49:26] <archivist> Jeebiss, with hal you can configure odd stuff like hobbing machines
[17:51:30] <Hydrar> Mach3 looks so ugly though, and I'm wondering how durable windows' realtime support actually is
[17:51:39] <Hydrar> Especially since the parallel port support gets worse with every release
[17:52:36] <Hydrar> But I'm biased since I'm specialized in linux, and refuse to update beyond W7
[17:53:03] <neckro23> Hydrar: yeah I haven't determined that myself yet
[17:53:21] <neckro23> and you're right, mach3 has one of the ugliest UIs I've ever seen
[17:53:33] <neckro23> running it on win7 32-bit
[17:55:37] <Hydrar> Not sure if that, or nccad is worst
[17:55:50] <Hydrar> Probably mach3 since it *tries* to look fancy and end up looking worse than plain
[17:56:26] <neckro23> my "favorite" part is the JPEG compression artifacts on the (ugly-in-the-first-place) buttons
[18:14:03] <andypugh> Jeebiss: I had never used Linux at all until I decided to use LinuxCNC for my machine.
[18:14:25] <andypugh> I didn’t find it too difficult, but i am a bit gooky.
[18:14:35] <andypugh> Gooky? Geeky, I mean.
[18:14:43] <Jeebiss> I'm downloading it now, about to give it a whirl
[18:28:42] <FloppyDisk> I'm not sure if Gooky is that far off:-)
[18:33:55] <t12> hm
[19:08:25] <Jeebiss> I am having trouble figuring out my parallel port address. I am using a pci card and in mach3 I used 0xe010 but that doesn't work in the config wizard.
[19:10:41] <cradek> if it's the only parport, try leaving it at 0; if it's not try 1
[19:10:59] <cradek> these numbers 0,1,2,... use the system-detected parports
[19:11:22] <Jeebiss> Oooooh gotcha
[19:11:47] <cradek> looks like that needs some documentation, doesn't it
[19:12:37] <terry__> Hi
[19:13:12] <Jeebiss> I was reading the documentation but it's a little over my head at the moment
[19:15:30] <terry__> Just installed linuxcnc 2.7, when it starts, it appears for an instant, crashes, and an exhaustive error box appears.
[19:15:43] <terry__> python: nv04_state_raster.c:126: get_blend_func: Assertion `0' failed.
[19:15:43] <terry__> /usr/bin/linuxcnc: line 857: 850 Aborted $EMCDISPLAY -ini "$IN
[19:16:19] <terry__> That seems the problem, anyone know what that is about?
[19:16:29] <cradek> yuck, that smells like an opengl problem
[19:16:48] <cradek> nvidia related
[19:17:02] <cradek> what all did you change?
[19:17:28] <Jeebiss> I needed to invert my pins it looks like
[19:17:59] <terry__> Had linuxcnc 2.5.4, did clean install of 2.7.4
[19:18:13] <cradek> are you saying you changed the whole OS?
[19:18:19] <terry__> did all upgrades
[19:18:37] <terry__> Yes, installed using DVD
[19:18:45] <cradek> aha. did you also try to install an nvidia driver of some kind?
[19:19:01] <terry__> oopps
[19:19:22] <terry__> one moment while I check on that...
[19:20:30] <cradek> those can be really screwy
[19:20:45] <cradek> you could try running another opengl program, like glxgears
[19:22:11] <Jeebiss> In the stepconf gui, I have to set my xyz velocities to 0.1 to make them run smoothly. When I get to the A axis, it seems dramatically slower at the same velocity.
[19:22:52] <Jeebiss> Is that normal behaviour.
[19:23:55] <cradek> Jeebiss: A axis is in degrees/second instead of inches/second so that number is often a lot bigger
[19:24:23] <Jeebiss> Ah, that makes a lot of sense.
[19:24:53] <terry__> nvidia-detect says: Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series, which is not in any current Debian suite.
[19:25:09] <cradek> bleh
[19:25:22] <cradek> just to be clear: did it work before you did ANY nvidia related configuration?
[19:27:01] <terry__> I did under 2.5.4, but is apparently no longer supported. I will find another card.
[19:27:38] <terry__> I will need to say good bye in order to change the card. Thanks for your help.
[19:29:25] <Jeebiss> It seems like a 0.1 velocity is too quick for my motors, they are skipping steps.
[19:30:26] <cradek> that's possible - 0.1 in/sec isn't all that slow on a tiny machine
[19:30:53] <PCW> but acceleration is also possibly the culprit
[19:35:50] <PCW> you would need acceleration set to 1 to have 100 ms velocity ramps to full speed
[19:54:08] <arauchfuss> Glass filled PTFE machines so beautifully.
[19:58:06] <jimP> join
[20:47:58] <Not-Renny> Good evening, fellow humans.
[20:48:36] <alex4nder> hey
[20:48:51] <Not-Renny> How goes the CNC adventures?
[20:50:20] <alex4nder> good. coming up with a way to bore 8" x 1" on a machine with a Z height of .. 8"
[20:51:39] <alex4nder> I've got 9.5" of X travel .. so I think I'm going to line-bore the part
[20:54:25] <alex4nder> Not-Renny: how's your machine?
[20:55:35] * Not-Renny sighs
[20:56:11] <Not-Renny> So, I need to find a way to get LinuxCNC on my device.
[20:56:23] <alex4nder> which device?
[20:56:30] <Not-Renny> Computer :P
[20:56:48] <alex4nder> cool. you don't have USB/CDROM/whatever?
[20:57:00] <Not-Renny> Noh D:
[20:57:30] <alex4nder> what about pulling the hard drive, and installing it in another machine to install?
[20:57:52] <Not-Renny> I'm trying to just run a virtual thing in my virtual box thing
[20:58:32] <Not-Renny> But, I don't even know the first thing about LinuxCNC D:
[21:03:58] <alex4nder> the docs are pretty good
[21:14:06] <Not-Renny> Hmm.
[21:50:45] <Jymmm> lil fucking bastards... they weren't nesting under the house, they were crawling up a downspout into the attic!!!
[21:54:41] <FloppyDisk> what kind of little downspout climbers?
[21:55:03] <Jymmm> ants
[21:55:25] <Jymmm> been invading the kitchen for the last 6 days. Less and less each day, but still.
[21:55:46] <Jymmm> I can't use anythng toxic indoors due to cross contamination
[21:56:10] <Jymmm> Outdoors, the bitches are mine! Just havne't been able to find the source till today.
[21:56:13] <FloppyDisk> ohhh, they can be pesky...
[21:56:32] <Jymmm> I got shit that I have to register to buy for outdoors =)