#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-05-25

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[00:00:08] <LeelooMinai> well, there's "home all", but that dfoes whole homing procedure.
[00:00:24] <zeeshan> there should be a "home x"
[00:00:27] <zeeshan> home y home z
[00:00:31] <zeeshan> individually
[00:01:08] <LeelooMinai> I see this: http://i.imgur.com/8wzIACc.png
[00:01:32] <zeeshan> example the machine menu
[00:01:36] <zeeshan> example = expand
[00:01:40] <zeeshan> i dont remember it by heart
[00:01:56] <LeelooMinai> A, right, under menus, I see
[00:02:07] <LeelooMinai> It won't move anything?
[00:02:15] <zeeshan> depends on your ini
[00:02:24] <LeelooMinai> lol... good I asked:p
[00:02:47] <LeelooMinai> Don't want to squash my indicator...
[00:02:52] <zeeshan> haha
[00:03:24] <zeeshan> double check
[00:03:31] <zeeshan> but from the top of my head there is an option home search velocity
[00:03:37] <zeeshan> home_search_vel
[00:03:51] <zeeshan> it has to be 0 so it doesnt search for home and takes the current position as home for that particular axis
[00:04:39] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:AXIS-section
[00:04:42] <zeeshan> under 2.10.1
[00:05:08] <LeelooMinai> Right, maybe I will just play with g-codes only though
[00:49:35] <Crom> ugh linuxcnc is to 2.7.4 I'm still running 2.6.12
[01:47:38] <FloppyDisk> Crom - both 2.7 and 2.6 were (think still are) being supported.
[01:48:04] <FloppyDisk> 2.7 has the trajectory planner that changed a bunch under the hood, so really you're current.
[01:49:24] <FloppyDisk> I actually have 2 harddrives in my mill because 2.7.0 to 2.7.3 had a change for handling an error w/ my mesa 5i25 that caused errors.
[01:49:49] <FloppyDisk> The root is noise in my machine, but w/ 2.6, I don't have the issues. 2.7.4 was supposed to fix that...
[01:50:04] <FloppyDisk> anyway, no issues w/ 2.6.12, keep on running, you're fine.
[02:13:34] <Deejay> moin
[02:20:16] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[02:20:20] <pink_vampire> HAPPY Towel Day
[02:20:21] <Deejay> hi pink
[02:20:40] <pink_vampire> how are you?
[02:21:12] <Deejay> tnx, fine, and you?
[02:25:37] <Deejay> :-/
[04:16:51] <minibnz> evening all hows things?
[04:19:31] <minibnz> i'm still waiting for my mesa card to arrive.. it was close to delivered the other day but only made it to china before it went back to the USA..
[04:19:31] <minibnz> so on the 16th it left california hit china on the 19th left there on the 20th and landed in L.A today/yesterday.... none of these locations is sydney australia... :( itching to wire it up and break something else....
[04:41:01] <XXCoder> boo
[05:09:34] <mase-tech> HI peps
[05:09:37] <mase-tech> whats up
[05:11:03] <XXCoder> not much
[05:17:06] <Deejay> peps?
[05:19:18] <XXCoder> better version of sugar candy birds
[05:44:37] <Sync> http://www.derwesten.de/img/incoming/crop8868112/0043356856-cImg0273_543-w616-h225/AOK-Report.jpg
[05:44:40] <Sync> peps!
[05:48:38] <miss0r> I just had to order a new electromagnetic hydraulic valve for my mill... I managed to 'fix' it, but when I searched for a replacement, I found that only two refurbished units was in stock. so i ordered them. the thought of having to replace the whole hydraulic system freaks me out :).. yay old mills!
[05:49:57] <XXCoder> lol
[05:50:37] <miss0r> and its not like it serves an important task.. it's only used to hold on to the tool collect...
[05:50:58] <Sync> probably rather push it out
[05:51:27] <archivist> learn to do your own refurb and repair
[05:51:57] <miss0r> Sync: this one holds it on, the other valve pushes it out. the tools are held in place with hydraulic pressure. no springs
[05:52:11] <miss0r> archivist: I did 'somewhat' refurbish it. so it is working now.
[05:53:22] <Sync> that's .... innovative
[05:54:17] <miss0r> but the good news is: I managed to run a complete work peice with 7 different tools, with no faults in the code. I believe I can now declare my post processor for completely functional
[05:54:42] <miss0r> Sync: well, there is a spring, but it is located in the hydraulic accomulator(spell).
[05:55:43] <Sync> well usually people will just use springs to keep the tool in so that the hydro can fail during machining
[05:57:16] <miss0r> Sync: it can fail to a certain degree. the tool will stay in place, but not with the correct pressure. I forgot a tool in it over a weekend, while it was powered down. the tool was loose, but I could not pull it out
[05:58:09] <Sync> yeah sure, but you need the correct tension
[05:58:14] <Sync> otherwise you will have a bad day
[05:58:24] <miss0r> I haven't looked at the technical drawing of the setup - so it could've been born with a spring in there, but I can tell you for sure, theres no spring in there now
[05:58:32] <miss0r> I have to agree with you ;)
[05:59:02] <miss0r> but as long as the hydraulic system is working, it's all nice and dandy
[06:02:00] <miss0r> I have a question for you guys. I just recieved an order for 4 proto-type candle holders. very simple design, actualy looking quite nice. but, the buyer wants them made out of aluminium, delievered with a high polished finish. I have no problem polishing aluminium to a mirror finish, but how do I make sure they stay so till he gets them? apparently he doesn't want then surface coated with anything, how he thinks they will look afte
[06:02:26] <XXCoder> isnt polish affected by oxide?
[06:02:31] <miss0r> ..me. So I am thinking I will rub them over with a thin oil/wd40 before I package them for shipment. or do you have another suggestion?
[06:02:41] <XXCoder> if so, can plastic bag seal all of em
[06:02:46] <miss0r> XXCoder: quite so, yes
[06:02:47] <XXCoder> with anti-oxygen
[06:03:10] <miss0r> sounds a bit complicated?
[06:03:33] <XXCoder> not really, anti-oxygen is sealed packet that has iron inside it, it grabs any oxygen
[06:04:05] <XXCoder> then all you need is sealer for plastic
[06:04:15] <XXCoder> *IRON POWDER
[06:04:19] <XXCoder> oops caps
[06:04:32] <miss0r> ahh... yeah, I know thoes small envolopes with stuff inside of'em
[06:04:53] <miss0r> but I will have to wear white gloves while packaging them.
[06:05:18] <miss0r> a fingerprint on polished alu. is quite visible
[06:05:29] <XXCoder> fun
[06:05:29] <archivist> al oxidises to self protect anyway
[06:06:05] <miss0r> archivist: Yeah. I wonder what the buyer is thinking. He must think about coating them with something
[06:06:32] <XXCoder> archivist: indeed.
[06:06:47] <XXCoder> very thin and very strong coatong of alum oxide
[06:07:13] <archivist> polish while wearing gloves, his problem them :)
[06:07:27] <XXCoder> and bag em
[06:07:39] <XXCoder> that way it stays very clean till guy pops bags
[06:10:05] <miss0r> aluminum oxide? how will that look polished?
[06:10:24] <XXCoder> miss0r: you have never touched aluminium itse;f
[06:10:33] <XXCoder> it basically instantly rusts over
[06:10:41] <miss0r> I know
[06:10:41] <XXCoder> its very thin, transparent coating
[06:11:12] <XXCoder> so from what I know it means polished its fine too.
[06:11:30] <miss0r> indeed. but the layer needs to be thick to a point, where it does not look polished to prevent fingerprints to corrode in the surface
[06:11:34] <XXCoder> I used mothers polish to polish and it looked great.
[06:12:32] <archivist> dont handle with bare hands if you have acid fingers
[06:12:57] <XXCoder> aqua regalis
[06:12:57] <miss0r> archivist: I will wear cotton gloves.
[08:05:34] <gregcnc> I used to have polished alumuminumium wheels. Regular auto wax helped keep them shiny for most of the spring-fall season.
[08:10:10] <Sync> yeah idk, polished al is a pain to keep good looking
[08:10:21] <Sync> for rims, I prefer diamond turned and clearcoated
[08:12:21] <gregcnc> polishing them annually was a pain clearcoat is great until the oxide crawl under
[08:39:33] <Sync> don't hit curbs
[08:39:38] <Sync> then the oxide doesn't crawl under
[08:42:16] <gregcnc> maybe if not exposed to road salt
[08:43:52] <archivist> fame at last http://www.newall.org.uk/omt-page-2/
[09:06:29] <Polymorphism> can someone send me a picture of the 6040 X axis support rail behind the grantry cover plate please
[09:06:52] <Polymorphism> or is it Y?
[09:08:46] <skunkworks> archivist, cool!
[09:15:31] <jdh> it isn't very interesting
[09:16:30] <jdh> unsupported rod, ballscrew, rod
[09:17:20] <jdh> but when assembled with the X and Z carriage, it looks sufficiently rigid
[09:17:50] <Polymorphism> jdh, so the support rod is connected at either end?
[09:17:56] <Polymorphism> but not screwed in all along as it goes
[09:18:00] <Polymorphism> thats what I was trying to determine
[09:18:13] <Polymorphism> I hadn't even realized there were two types of round rod
[09:18:55] <Polymorphism> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1edpNIXXXXXbnXFXXq6xXFXXXT/New-SBR16-rail-L580mm-16mm-linear-round-guide-cnc-router-part-linear-rails-for-SBR16UU.jpg
[09:18:56] <jdh> supported and unsupported
[09:18:59] <Polymorphism> http://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16151&stc=1
[09:19:17] <Polymorphism> the rail that sits ont he bottom of those machines looks to be supported
[09:19:27] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure what is techniucally x or y
[09:19:33] <jdh> I will assume the links ars for supported and unsupported
[09:20:02] <Polymorphism> one the rod seems to float, bolted at either end, the other the rod is sitting on a rail and seems to be attached to it
[09:20:07] <Polymorphism> and that rail looks to bolt onto somwething
[09:20:34] <jdh> unsupported bearings are better than supportes bearings, imo
[09:20:52] <Polymorphism> why is that?
[09:21:05] <jdh> while the rails are opposite
[09:21:57] <jdh> the unsupported ones have more bearing contact
[09:22:30] <jdh> for cheap ones anyway. better ones might not be
[09:23:23] <Polymorphism> hmm
[09:25:05] <jdh> you are way overthinking this
[09:25:35] <jdh> for your price range, there are insufficient differentiators
[09:28:11] <jdh> https://imgur.com/2a5Nr5E
[09:31:25] <Polymorphism> ty jdh, I see
[09:31:58] <Polymorphism> the 6040z-s80
[09:32:04] <Polymorphism> isnt that from carving-cnc, which became omio
[09:32:10] <jdh> when you add the carriage, it looks much less flimsy
[09:32:31] <jdh> yes, last of the pport
[09:36:09] <Polymorphism> strange they changed names
[09:38:30] <Polymorphism> I'm guessing they raised the price a lot too when they changed things
[09:39:43] <jdh> I quit looking after buying mine
[09:41:34] <Polymorphism> once I just get a machine I'm sure I'll never look back
[09:42:08] <archivist> go to a hackerspace try something real
[09:42:38] <Polymorphism> I checked out some real equipment
[09:42:42] <Polymorphism> hass vertical mill etc
[09:42:50] <jdh> buy one
[09:42:52] <Polymorphism> I didnt do any milling butg I saw the machines and their controllers
[09:43:00] <Polymorphism> it was tens of thousands, lol
[09:43:01] <Polymorphism> out of my budget
[09:44:53] <Polymorphism> the local makerspace does have a sherline cnc, knee mill, seig x2, 2 lathes, roland mdx-15, laser cutter(80w), etc
[09:45:03] <jdh> I have to re-cam my bracket for a different end mill then I'll try .250 Al on the 6040
[09:45:09] <Polymorphism> nothing quite like these desktop routers I'm looking at though
[09:45:16] <Polymorphism> I'm curious how that goes for you jdh
[09:45:23] <Polymorphism> have you tried F360?
[09:45:27] <Polymorphism> what are yuou usuing for cad//cam
[09:45:45] <jdh> should be fine but slow. would take no time in my mill
[09:45:50] <archivist> inside rear of skull cam
[09:46:04] <jdh> draftsight + cut2d
[09:47:41] <archivist> and a bit of php http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[09:47:41] <Polymorphism> I can't find any info on SkullCam
[09:48:16] <archivist> skullcam wrote http://www.archivist.info/gear/designcrossedhelical.php
[09:48:45] <Polymorphism> nice looking php, maybe I will need it in the future
[09:48:55] <jdh> ain't nobody got time for that
[09:50:06] <archivist> none of the simple can stuff out there does what I want
[09:50:16] <archivist> can/cam
[09:50:48] <archivist> so be aware cam may not be usable for your needs
[09:51:54] <Polymorphism> F360 cam was so nice
[09:51:59] <Polymorphism> best free software I've ever used
[09:52:06] <Polymorphism> I was even performing material stress analysis
[09:52:20] <Polymorphism> ands the cam built in is very intuitive
[09:52:27] <Polymorphism> I highly recommend anyone who hasnt tried it to do so
[09:52:46] <Polymorphism> granted, I'm new to cad, but wow. Hard to believe this is free
[09:53:18] <Polymorphism> seems like the kind of thing that changes the entire industry
[09:53:27] <Polymorphism> no need to spend thousands for solidworks anymore
[09:54:03] <enleth> It's only conditionally free
[09:54:54] <enleth> The big design shops still have to pay
[09:55:11] <enleth> And they're almost the entire industry
[09:55:39] <Polymorphism> the price seemed reasonable once I'm making over 100k a year with it
[09:55:49] <Polymorphism> but yes, thats true
[09:56:40] <Sync> designing gears is suprisingly annoying archivist
[09:57:01] <archivist> generate them :)
[09:57:24] <Sync> yeah
[09:57:32] <archivist> getting a cnc grinter to make the cutters would be nice
[09:57:39] <archivist> grinder
[09:57:44] <Polymorphism> Sync, http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/ch6/
[09:57:45] <Polymorphism> gear design
[09:57:58] <djdelorie> 3D printing gears is remarkably easy, although you end up with plastic gears
[09:58:19] <Polymorphism> lost PLA casting
[09:58:28] <Sync> Polymorphism: yes, I know that one, but it only gives you straight cut gears
[09:58:39] <Sync> archivist: I'd probably mill the gears generatively and then grind
[09:58:40] <archivist> Polymorphism, do you realise my bevel code is generating on linuxcnc
[09:58:40] <djdelorie> I doubt you'd get the finish on the tooth surfaces you need from that
[09:59:30] <Polymorphism> you're probably right, I don't know much about gears yet
[09:59:42] <Polymorphism> archivist, I did not
[10:17:33] <Polymorphism> http://imgur.com/IMfXamS
[10:19:34] <Polymorphism> =D
[10:30:50] <Polymorphism> ./;]
[10:30:52] <Polymorphism> ''''-----------]
[10:35:05] <Polymorphism> sorry that was my pigeon
[10:52:16] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2015/09/21/15-reasons-cutters-get-broken-on-small-machines/
[10:52:35] <CaptHindsight> http://blogcnccookbookcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/AluminumCloggedEM.jpg
[10:57:31] <Polymorphism> thx cap
[11:03:11] <FloppyDisk> CaptHindsight - just had an email from fedex, they bought TNT...
[11:03:31] <FloppyDisk> That was one of your china shipping outfits, if they're the same one...
[11:06:13] <_methods> http://www.bfrigon.com/posts/projects/alarm-clock/display/
[11:06:17] <_methods> heh cool clock
[11:07:16] <CaptHindsight> yeah, probably only be FEDUPS in a few more years :)
[11:09:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You mean FedOoooooops!
[11:11:03] <gregcnc> robot trucks, robot planes, drones. delivery will be almost free right?
[11:11:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: fedex vs ups http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2012/8/3/78a428ae-dd24-4dc5-9bea-d7a91130cfde.jpg
[11:11:55] <jdh> transpacific robot drone delivery
[11:12:50] <jdh> or we could just give the chinese ND, SD, KS and they can build us cheap shit there
[11:13:22] <FloppyDisk> I am not a UPS fan, they're too rough on their packages and have been for years, imo / experience...
[11:13:47] <FloppyDisk> I like USPS or fedex better if I have a choice.
[11:13:55] <jdh> I think they are both fine. as is USPS most of the time
[11:14:24] <FloppyDisk> jdh - high-speed ram jet for those drones, 2-hour delivery...
[11:14:47] * archivist imagines a
[11:14:52] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: Amazon offers one hour delivery (seriously)
[11:15:00] <archivist> V2 bomber
[11:15:16] <FloppyDisk> Yes - but in certain locations...
[11:15:23] <gregcnc> by taxi
[11:15:43] <FloppyDisk> This is where walmart and target should be 'targeting' because they have the inventory, but not the logistics.. Amazon is creaming them...
[11:15:59] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: Yes, cause 2000 miles away from any coastline is slightly more than one hour by any means.
[11:16:10] <Hydrar> Anyone here have any experience with nccad?
[11:16:20] <Hydrar> Or the kosy machines from the same manufacturer
[11:19:58] <yasnak> https://youtu.be/-nar-JI_6L4?t=520
[11:20:00] <yasnak> lol
[11:20:14] <yasnak> When you start to realize you're pretty much an idiot
[11:32:04] <JT-Shop> stupid people when they have a problem connecting to paypal they try and send me a payment to my phone...
[11:32:32] <sel> hello
[11:32:38] <JT-Shop> and my nano's are too small...
[11:32:54] <Jymmm> to small?
[11:33:22] <Jymmm> and how does one send a payment to a phone number?
[11:33:45] <sel> some pics of my woodwork here http://www.selnet.org
[11:33:45] <Jymmm> or even attempt to
[11:34:46] <sel> not done with linuxcnc but gcode is gcode, this gcode was written by hand with excel
[11:36:49] <gregcnc> jymmm paypal does that
[11:36:55] <Jymmm> http://imgur.com/eUzEgDa
[11:37:04] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Yeah? hmmm, interesting.
[11:38:13] <Jymmm> sel: That's my woodworking ;)
[11:39:35] <Jymmm> sel: and here's my paperworking http://imgur.com/fwfbi49
[11:54:56] <sel> Jymmm, nice work
[11:57:01] <sel> bye
[12:10:03] <Jymmm> Did I forget to tell him that was done on a laser, with sharks?
[12:19:41] <maxcnc> hi
[12:25:04] <maxcnc> triggy weather here
[12:28:18] <maxcnc> Hydrar: stil on ?
[12:29:24] <maxcnc> sel cool stuff
[12:40:04] <JT-Shop> yea the example sketch won't fit
[12:40:20] <Tom_itx> nano's are nano nano small
[12:40:43] <Tom_itx> what something like 2k flash?
[12:40:47] <Tom_itx> i can't remember
[12:41:11] <maxcnc> use a 5051
[12:41:20] <Tom_itx> but if you wrote it in c instead of ardweenie speak it would be smaller
[12:41:32] <archivist> assembler!
[12:41:38] <Tom_itx> or that
[12:41:45] <Tom_itx> i didn't wanna burden him
[12:41:48] <JT-Shop> one step at a time
[12:42:02] <jdh> use relays
[12:42:04] <maxcnc> he is doing a great on this
[12:42:17] * JT-Shop grabs his Uno
[12:42:28] <archivist> real men use RTL logic
[12:42:55] <maxcnc> super small koppel relays ay give you .02A
[12:43:02] <maxcnc> .002
[12:43:37] <maxcnc> nano is always fun
[12:44:10] <maxcnc> with a hc-05 and a tablet lots of plesure in mesurment and redefining
[12:44:31] <Enccapsulation> beautiful day today in germany
[12:44:46] <maxcnc> yes it is herein the south west
[12:44:52] <maxcnc> ZW
[12:45:42] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: does the no has a 10bit adxc or a 8
[12:45:50] <maxcnc> uno
[12:46:18] <maxcnc> if seen or heard ther is one with a 12 and 14 bit adc
[12:46:28] <maxcnc> that wpoudt be real cool
[12:46:57] <Jymmm> This is a glass jar with (as described) "mercury finish". the inside is 100% mirror silver, yet the outside is copperish. Some others are gold, silver, black, purple outside, while all are silver inside. Does anyone have a clue HOW this is done? I know it's not actual mercury, and not sure about the outside coloring.
[12:47:00] <Jymmm> http://imgur.com/9unKK89
[12:47:39] <JT-Shop> maxcnc: dunno how to tell?
[12:47:48] <Tom_itx> what chip is it?
[12:48:39] <JT-Shop> the UNO is atmega328P-PU
[12:49:01] <maxcnc> Jymmm: looks like its not fully coaded inside so the glass is shining thrue and makes that effect
[12:49:03] <JT-Shop> the nano is atmega168
[12:49:25] <Tom_itx> same chip less flash
[12:49:53] <Tom_itx> 10bit adc
[12:50:14] <maxcnc> so 4096
[12:51:42] <Enccapsulation> yes
[12:52:16] <Enccapsulation> no
[12:53:06] <maxcnc> i need to do some shoue mesure system for a friend and i think i will go for a uno insted of a nano towards more precise on Rack pinon system and a poti
[12:53:57] <Enccapsulation> isnt nano + uno both 10 bit adc
[12:55:16] <maxcnc> oh thats only 1024 as the nano gets out
[12:55:24] <maxcnc> so i need more bits
[12:56:17] <maxcnc> The Due and the Zero have 12-bit ADC capabilities
[12:56:47] <Enccapsulation> that et you your 4096
[13:00:07] <Jymmm> maxcnc: Yes, some of it "flaked off", ut that's intentional, but HOW did they do the coloring, and then the silvering internally (two colors)?
[13:01:43] <maxcnc> id might be blind but i only see one color and the glass reflects to a silver shine
[13:01:45] <maxcnc> BUT
[13:02:03] <maxcnc> you can wash the glass with a fat cleaner
[13:02:08] <Jymmm> maxcnc: I'll even say "chromed" the inside of them all, yet the external colors vary.
[13:02:13] <maxcnc> that increds silicon
[13:02:36] <maxcnc> then usa a acryl to paint
[13:02:59] <maxcnc> it will give you nice shaped looking with clean stuff
[13:03:01] <Jymmm> maxcnc: there is ZERO outside actual coatings, it's layered internally to the jar.
[13:03:20] <Jymmm> maxcnc: these are all metalics, acrylic paint doens't give that effect.
[13:03:41] <maxcnc> afer drying the acryl washing with powder soda it cleans only the silicon
[13:03:47] <CaptHindsight> what exact color effect are you looking for?
[13:04:05] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChromaFlair
[13:04:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Did you see the pic I linked to?
[13:04:59] <maxcnc> now give crome silver a try
[13:05:33] <CaptHindsight> just silver on one side and pink through the glass?
[13:06:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ok, I tossed a light in the left jar... http://imgur.com/OMPHrMn
[13:06:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ALL the jars, no matter the seen coor, are all "chrome" when you look in t the jar.
[13:07:25] <Jymmm> the first pic was "champagne" color, that last link is "gold"...
[13:07:44] <Jymmm> theres, copper, red, purple, too.
[13:08:13] <CaptHindsight> is the glass itself colored?
[13:08:41] <Jymmm> There is NOTHING on the outside of the jars themselves. All the chrome/coloring is inside the jars
[13:08:59] <Jymmm> So basically dual layered
[13:09:07] <CaptHindsight> or more than 2
[13:09:14] <Jymmm> sure, maybe
[13:09:35] <Jymmm> So a color layer, then a chrome layer at the very least.
[13:10:09] <Jymmm> But HOW is this done?
[13:10:21] <maxcnc> Jymmm: here is how to do it http://www.bastelfrau.de/verschiedenes/bauernsilber-imitieren
[13:10:34] <CaptHindsight> not sure, I'd have to see it close up, might be interference based or refraction
[13:11:17] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Where the light is shining thru, is where the effect has "flaked off"
[13:11:40] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumina_effect_pigment
[13:12:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I believe this is intentional somehow, but ignoring hte flakeing for a moment, but does one do colored mirroring /like that?
[13:12:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I think it has something to do with this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_2dhklg4E
[13:13:35] <maxcnc> imoff Gn8
[13:17:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: This might be a better example of the entire process... turn volume down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-wFTUhpT4
[13:18:11] <CaptHindsight> well those are just spray on chrome techniques...
[13:18:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Sure, but the coloring?
[13:19:04] <CaptHindsight> what happening down under the microscope is metal flakes lining up flat vs in random arrangements
[13:19:05] <Enccapsulation> holy shit
[13:19:08] <Enccapsulation> RIP headphone user
[13:19:19] <CaptHindsight> but that is just for a mirror effect
[13:19:54] <CaptHindsight> how your bottles are colored I'd have to examine but there are particles that will change color based on the viewing angle
[13:20:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: As you saw in the gold jar, color is uniform
[13:20:32] <CaptHindsight> or the bottles may have translucent color plus the reflective flakes
[13:21:18] <CaptHindsight> we use a single metal flake to get a rainbow of color effects
[13:21:27] <Jymmm> Well, I think the "flakes" are like glitter and introduced as a mask, them rinsed out.
[13:21:39] <Jymmm> then*
[13:22:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What do you mean "We"?
[13:25:06] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I have a few companies and one of them makes, inks, resins, paints etc
[13:25:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: As suppliers? Clients? do you produce these "spray on" chrome chemicals?
[13:25:56] <Jymmm> s/you/they/
[13:26:25] <CaptHindsight> I can if you want a 200kg drum or more
[13:26:39] <jdh> and can you make gold plated hookers?
[13:26:46] <jdh> nevermind
[13:26:49] <CaptHindsight> not a 16oz can
[13:27:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: well, was thinking gallon jug
[13:27:14] <CaptHindsight> make them gold? or the whole thing? :)
[13:27:23] * djdelorie wonders if I'd ever need 200kg of *any* type of coating...
[13:27:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: we have to buy raw materials by the drum and pallet
[13:27:39] <djdelorie> how many gallons is that?
[13:27:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ah
[13:27:51] <CaptHindsight> so your cost for a gallon is the same for a drum
[13:28:09] <CaptHindsight> drums are ~55 gallons
[13:28:32] <djdelorie> hmmm... that's about how much paint it takes to paint my house... /me imagines a chromed house...
[13:28:48] <Jymmm> djdelorie: ,,,, and annoyed enighbors =)
[13:28:50] <CaptHindsight> you could do it
[13:29:05] <djdelorie> I don't have neighbors that can see the house
[13:29:29] <djdelorie> you can see it from the road if you're quick, but not the road near the house
[13:29:45] <Jymmm> djdelorie: radar reflective house =)
[13:29:58] <djdelorie> heh. We *do* have the occasional fly-by.
[13:30:07] <CaptHindsight> radar absorbing
[13:30:29] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Bet you'll get a visit from military or FAA =)
[13:30:36] <CaptHindsight> to disappear
[13:30:59] <djdelorie> mostly from the forestry service. We had a big tornado go through the backyard in 2008, they've been monitoring the regrowth
[13:31:42] <CaptHindsight> http://knowledge.ulprospector.com/media/2016/05/effects-pigments-figure-V.jpg
[13:31:48] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Rent you house out for music videos by the minute =)
[13:32:14] <Jymmm> djdelorie: plus massive deposit
[13:32:56] <CaptHindsight> used colored lights at night for added effects
[13:32:59] <djdelorie> not the house, just the yard
[13:33:16] <djdelorie> what I really want (ha!) is thermochromic paint - dark in the winter, light in the summer
[13:33:40] <Jymmm> chroming soda bottle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7g--Si1TgM
[13:33:47] <jdh> and photovoltaic
[13:33:50] <djdelorie> of course, I also want it cheap, and in pretty colors ;-)
[13:33:52] <CaptHindsight> how about switchable dark light? like e-paper
[13:34:23] <CaptHindsight> there's a patent already on it
[13:34:25] <djdelorie> I don't want to have to run wires to it, should be automatic. Changes from dark blue to light blue around room temperature. Automatic :-)
[13:34:39] <CaptHindsight> color changing roof tiles
[13:34:40] <djdelorie> same for roof shingles. Black in the winter, white in the summer.
[13:35:33] <CaptHindsight> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/921/829/461/461829921_804.jpg
[13:35:57] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/20080820-treedamage/1121081141.html
[13:36:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.premier-roofing.com/color-changing-roof-tiles/
[13:37:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/mit-team-invents-color-changing-roof-tiles
[13:37:27] <djdelorie> oooo...
[13:37:53] <CaptHindsight> those a-holes haven't sold any tiles in 7 years
[13:38:13] <djdelorie> probably turned out to be too expensive to be practical
[13:38:31] <CaptHindsight> too expensive for them to produce
[13:38:52] <CaptHindsight> since they failed it might be a good time to make them
[13:39:13] <CaptHindsight> somebody asked me about them right before they filed their patent
[13:39:40] <djdelorie> designing new tech is easier than making new tech affordable
[13:40:02] <CaptHindsight> you could use e-paper and make it electrically switchable or turn your roof into a billboard
[13:40:21] <djdelorie> pac-man, roof edition...
[13:41:48] <CaptHindsight> coat your entire house in e-paper
[13:42:28] <djdelorie> sure, next time it rains/snows/ice-storms/hurricanes/hails/nor'easters... no more e-paper.
[13:43:03] <CaptHindsight> it's actually a non water soluble polymer (plastic film)
[13:44:03] <djdelorie> it's the "film" part that worries me, not the "plastic" part. But we digress, an e-paper coating would cost more than the house
[13:44:51] <CaptHindsight> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/921/829/461/461829921_804.jpg
[13:45:32] <djdelorie> yeah, I know how e-ink works
[13:46:59] <CaptHindsight> sorry I distracted you from your glue gun
[13:47:20] <_methods> hehe
[13:49:29] <djdelorie> glue gun printing another gear at the moment...
[13:49:42] <djdelorie> "outrun gear B" in black PETG
[13:50:25] <Jymmm> \me high fives CaptHindsight
[13:51:34] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/3d_prints/img_3241.html
[13:52:31] <Jymmm> expensive glue gun
[13:52:45] <djdelorie> $1000 in kit form
[13:52:56] <Jymmm> PLUS the hexipod
[13:53:10] <djdelorie> plus? that *is* the hexapod
[13:53:33] <Jymmm> djdelorie: $0.99 at any craft store... you got ripped dude!!!
[13:53:38] <djdelorie> heh
[13:54:01] <djdelorie> actually, just the hot end alone can cost $100 or more for the really good ones
[13:54:16] <Jymmm> I do like the liquid polymer one though, that's pretty impressive
[13:56:19] <JT-Shop> finally got the uno to work with the u8glib
[13:56:56] <CaptHindsight> why are these guys at every maker space I go to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuYQ4qUEfEI
[13:57:18] <_methods> lol
[13:58:14] <djdelorie> "I don't believe any system is totally secure" - how prophetic...
[14:01:05] <gregcnc> jymmm maybe this http://getyourpaintonblog.com/2013/04/28/faux-mercury-glass-tutorial-in-any-color/
[14:01:55] <CaptHindsight> ^^ 2 color/layer process
[14:02:27] <gregcnc> the robots are coming http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966
[14:03:11] <_methods> i hope so
[14:03:52] <_methods> when can i be assimilated
[14:03:56] <_methods> the sooner the better
[14:04:23] <gregcnc> then you'll have to use kickstarter to support yourself
[14:04:33] <CaptHindsight> "easily replaces any trump supporter and runs on any 110V outlet"
[14:04:33] <_methods> i'll be kickstarter
[14:04:43] <_methods> hahah
[14:04:58] <_methods> this trump thing is crazy
[14:05:33] <_methods> it just keeps going
[14:06:00] <CaptHindsight> really shows how many racists, easily manipulated, abused etc people we have in the country
[14:06:08] <_methods> it's like political version of that crappy movie dick tracy
[14:06:17] <CaptHindsight> treating mental illness should be our number 1 goal
[14:06:53] <CaptHindsight> vs just herding them like sheep
[14:07:05] <_methods> i know i'll sleep well knowing that donald trump has control of our nuclear arsenal
[14:07:17] <CaptHindsight> rock the oligarchy
[14:07:33] <_methods> i mean why have nukes if you aren't gonna use 'em
[14:07:41] <_methods> lets make america great again
[14:07:44] <CaptHindsight> f-yeah
[14:07:49] <jdh> he and putin can compare hands and nukez
[14:07:49] <_methods> lets make some glass!!!!
[14:07:51] <CaptHindsight> f-yeah
[14:08:31] <_methods> he's gonna make ol' gw bush look like a genius
[14:08:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk Team America World Police THEME SONG
[14:10:44] <djdelorie> the next election will be decided by people who vote for cat videos...
[14:17:42] <Enccapsulation> trump 2016
[14:19:28] <gregcnc> Indecision 2016, 2017, 2018.....
[14:19:31] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5FPANOMpM China unveils first interactive robot
[14:20:44] <CaptHindsight> silicon outer covering "skin job"
[14:23:00] <CaptHindsight> vs army of Scarlett Johansson robots from Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3QDTPgkOg
[14:27:47] <CaptHindsight> and what does the USA build? http://phys.org/news/2015-11-nasa-mit-humanoid-robot-software.html
[14:28:47] <Enccapsulation> I'm not impressed by that chinabot at all
[14:28:58] <Enccapsulation> they should get the mechanics natural and equal or beyond human movement first
[14:29:00] <Enccapsulation> then make htem look fancy
[14:32:30] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how low cost these could be made? https://www.technologyreview.com/s/546276/this-40000-robotic-exoskeleton-lets-the-paralyzed-walk/
[14:33:12] <CaptHindsight> the better solution is spinal cord repair but in the mean time...
[14:33:55] <djdelorie> hmmm... a 3D printer, some quadcopter parts from China, and an arduino... should be able to make one for $100 :-)
[14:34:47] <djdelorie> (isn't that how *everything* cheap is made? ;-)
[14:35:22] <gregcnc> just like the BAE motorcycle for 50kEuro http://electrek.co/2016/05/24/airbus-3d-printed-electric-motorcycle-light-rider/
[14:35:56] <gregcnc> doh Airbus not BAE
[14:36:28] <Sync> I like how they use a DH fork
[14:36:42] <Sync> and let the optimizer run wild in the cad
[14:37:17] <LeelooMinai> Right, that looks like bicycle fork:)
[14:38:31] <Sync> yeah regular boxxer
[14:38:33] <gregcnc> MTB fork wheels tires, brakes
[14:38:45] <Sync> also a regular mtb shock
[14:38:58] <djdelorie> Try harder Airbus, we can print wheels, tires, and seats now too...
[14:39:20] <LeelooMinai> So bicycle + motor basically.
[14:39:23] <Sync> yeah
[14:39:34] <gregcnc> with a super expensive frame
[14:40:19] <LeelooMinai> Well, but at least, since they can do it, maybe in 10 years or so, those could be affordable.
[14:40:53] <LeelooMinai> Though not sure... since making mass production this way is problematic...
[14:41:25] <Sync> well idk where the innvoation is
[14:41:31] <Sync> you can buy suck things basically
[14:43:11] <gregcnc> why is airbus making bikes?, because they have a 3d metal printer?
[14:43:15] <jdh> you can buy a chinese MTB for $75
[14:43:29] <LeelooMinai> "MTB" :)
[14:43:45] <LeelooMinai> I would not take it on actual mountain ride...
[14:44:15] <gregcnc> 95% don't leave the garage right?
[14:44:31] <jdh> mine rarely does
[14:44:42] <LeelooMinai> I think they are barely safe to ride, I don't know, a parking lot:)
[14:46:59] <Sync> well, I never cracked my tiwanese bike frames
[14:47:08] <Sync> always the hydroformed light weight ones
[14:47:18] <CaptHindsight> robot exoskeleton that turns or attaches directly to a scooter
[14:47:55] <_methods> the trump freedom mobile
[14:48:02] <LeelooMinai> I think Taiwan is better - they probably make frames for big bike companies
[14:48:05] <CaptHindsight> haha
[14:48:20] <CaptHindsight> leave your unused brain at homw
[14:48:23] <CaptHindsight> home
[14:48:40] <Sync> well, the frames I have from there are just tubes
[14:48:42] <CaptHindsight> "let us do the thinkin fer yah"
[14:48:45] <Sync> instead of hydroformed sheet
[14:49:15] <LeelooMinai> I have a nice carbon fibre frame made in Taiwan:)
[14:50:47] <Sync> my carbon frame cracked on the first kicker
[14:51:56] <Sync> no idea how that happened
[14:52:05] <Sync> didn't even fuck it up
[14:52:23] <jdh> I have nice Ti frames made in .tn.us
[14:52:25] <CaptHindsight> all it takes is a bubble
[14:52:36] <Sync> just heard a *THUNK* from the steering tube region and then saw the crack in the paint
[14:52:42] <LeelooMinai> I had mine for few years with zero problems. I think in general Taiwaneese products are considered better than Chinese.
[14:54:39] <Sync> but I'm usually hard on my bikes
[14:56:09] <LeelooMinai> You hit them with a hammer? :p
[14:56:17] <Sync> jdh: still looking for some nice ti frame for my city bike
[14:56:18] <Sync> nah
[14:56:18] <Sync> :P
[14:57:13] <jdh> I have a taiwan tange steel one also
[14:57:51] <witnit> I return from a week of my first "standard lathe" cnc build, then production! got an order done with the machine already :) I'll post some pictures of the parts in few
[14:58:10] <witnit> so thank you all for helping me along at my usual deadends
[14:58:31] <LeelooMinai> I used to do MTB marathon copetition riding. So, that frame of mine was tortured over mountains pretty good.
[14:58:53] <LeelooMinai> That's why my legs are a bit bigger than a normal persons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/10320811674
[14:58:58] <LeelooMinai> :)
[14:59:51] <gregcnc> I used to ride
[15:00:44] <djdelorie> me too. Then I got my drivers license...
[15:01:20] <LeelooMinai> I don't ride any more for health reasons. Well, good thing is over all of those years in mountains I did not kill myself.
[15:01:31] <LeelooMinai> Was close few times though:)
[15:01:54] <LeelooMinai> Safer to have hobby at home...
[15:02:19] <LeelooMinai> O, right, that remainds me: any "tricks" for making rails coplanar?
[15:02:33] <LeelooMinai> I was wondering how flat a glass pane is. I mean a normal one.
[15:03:02] <Sync> flat, depends on how hard you press it
[15:03:26] <LeelooMinai> Not sure how they make them...
[15:03:33] <Sync> floating them on tin
[15:03:47] <LeelooMinai> A, so maybe they should be pretty flat.
[15:03:54] <Sync> they are flexible
[15:03:56] <Sync> that is the problem
[15:04:01] <Sync> get a straight edge
[15:04:17] <djdelorie> my daughter knows quite a bit of first aid because of my "safer hobby at home"
[15:04:19] <LeelooMinai> Well, ok, but edge is just... an edge.
[15:04:48] <LeelooMinai> How do I use it to assure that two rails are in the same plane?
[15:05:12] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: with a dial indicator on each rail, and this between: https://a.1stdibscdn.com/archivesE/upload/8734/531/8734_1315259887_4.jpg
[15:05:23] <djdelorie> get two straight edges, rest one across each end of both rails, step back and see if they're coplanar. Think of it as a twist magnifier
[15:05:33] <_methods> hahah have fun finding a camelback like that
[15:05:43] <djdelorie> google "winding stick"
[15:05:49] <malcom2073> _methods: My dad just picked a 5ft one up
[15:05:55] <LeelooMinai> That is probably jalf the weight of my whole CNC:)
[15:06:00] <LeelooMinai> half*
[15:06:24] <LeelooMinai> Maybe even the same...
[15:06:29] <_methods> your dad sounds cool
[15:07:00] <LeelooMinai> djdelorie: And jjust eyballing it like that is accurate?
[15:07:12] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: To a couple inches sure
[15:07:14] <djdelorie> it depends on how much magnification you get
[15:07:36] <djdelorie> if your rails are 6" apart, and you use two 48" straightedges...
[15:08:19] <djdelorie> it depends on how precise you need to be, and how precise a reference you have
[15:08:20] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't even have a one edge, ao that's still an expensive measurement for me.
[15:08:57] <djdelorie> you could lay a granite surface plate across them and see if it rocks :-)
[15:09:18] <malcom2073> You could also build a carriage on one, and run a dial indicator on a bar over to the other
[15:09:20] <LeelooMinai> How is it done "professionally"? Some specialized expensive tools?
[15:09:55] <LeelooMinai> I don't know... lasers? :)
[15:10:01] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: Most prebuilt machines have grooves in them for the rails to be pressed against when bolted down
[15:10:09] <Sync> LeelooMinai: using straightedges
[15:10:13] <malcom2073> the grooves are ground precise, so the positioning of the rails is easy during assembly
[15:10:31] <malcom2073> Then assembled on a flat (granite) surface
[15:10:34] <Sync> that depends, sometimes the grooves are just milled, as the rail is not precise either
[15:10:42] <Sync> so you have to adjust it anyways
[15:11:28] <malcom2073> True, dial indicator on a reference surface is a really good way :-P
[15:11:35] <LeelooMinai> I may finnally have to invest in those straight edges... They are not cheap though - for an "oversized ruler":)
[15:12:15] <malcom2073> They have nothing in common with a ruler: They're not made to measure length
[15:12:29] <LeelooMinai> Right, I know that, it's all in the precision.
[15:12:30] <Sync> they are fairly cheap for the precision surfaces you get
[15:12:50] <Sync> DIN class 1 1m edge is like 80€ from china iirc
[15:14:29] <LeelooMinai> class 1 is how precisse it is, right?
[15:15:28] <Sync> yes
[15:15:36] <Sync> class 1 is basic shop use
[15:15:44] <Sync> 0 is inspection, 00 is toolroom grade
[15:16:53] <XXCoder> 0000
[15:17:10] <LeelooMinai> O_O
[15:17:24] <jdh> mine goes to 11
[15:17:28] <Sync> I think the spec also specifies 000
[15:18:03] <jdh> it is time to go home and go biking
[15:18:04] <XXCoder> jdh: 11 would be extremely imprecise lol
[15:18:48] <jdh> how precise are the rails
[15:19:30] <Sync> not very, but is its not too much of a problem
[15:19:33] <LeelooMinai> Only Chinese know I guess:)
[15:19:33] <jdh> you need to align rail to rail. not base to base?
[15:19:53] <LeelooMinai> Rail to rail
[15:20:27] <Sync> you can do that by indicating against the other rail or truck
[15:20:31] <jdh> mount one, mount indicator, sweep other?
[15:20:37] <Sync> but you don't know if they are both banana shaped
[15:20:46] <_methods> ^^
[15:21:40] <_methods> who cares those crappy chinese linear bearings will have plenty of runout to help it all too lol
[15:22:09] <Sync> the chinese hiwin clones are not incredibly bad
[15:22:18] <_methods> oh are they actual linear ways?
[15:22:46] <_methods> i thought i saw unsupported round rails
[15:22:56] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, not sure how I can sweep with indicator - they are 22 inches apart.
[15:23:07] <LeelooMinai> They are supported.
[15:23:26] <LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/26626463914
[15:24:50] <Sync> eh
[15:27:03] <_methods> are the rails sitting on angle iron?
[15:27:27] <LeelooMinai> Yes, one is on the front, one on the back
[15:27:49] <_methods> and the rails are sitting on top of aluminum tubing?
[15:28:01] <LeelooMinai> Right
[15:28:52] <_methods> that's gonna be fun to try and troubleshoot
[15:29:38] <LeelooMinai> Isn't most of it in the rails itself though?
[15:29:44] <LeelooMinai> I mean the still round part.
[15:29:54] <LeelooMinai> I presume it should be more or less straight, no?
[15:36:51] <Sync> no
[15:36:55] <Sync> it is going to eb a banana
[15:37:26] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I guess I should unbannana it first.
[15:38:01] <Sync> hard to do with the supported rails
[15:38:12] <Sync> with regular rail you just pull it into submission when mounting it
[15:39:29] <LeelooMinai> That class 0 edge. How accurate would it be for 24 inches? I see some cheap edges at Lee Valley, but they are 1 mil per 2 feet - not sure if that's acceptable.
[15:40:00] <LeelooMinai> http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=56676&cat=1,240,45313,56676
[15:43:23] <Sync> 1000mm class 0 is 12µm
[15:44:20] <Sync> those are woodworking straight edges, they are probably good enough but I'd not get them
[16:39:38] <Deejay> gn8
[16:45:59] <CaptHindsight> just 3D print the rails and use an exotic hardwood like bubinga for the frame
[16:47:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hearnehardwoods.com/hardwoods/exotic_hardwoods/exotic_wood/bubinga_lumber/bubinga_title.jpg who would not want that for their machine? Look at the knurling!
[16:48:38] <yasnak> Does a fillet and an arc cut have the same properties in solidworks? For some reason I cannot for the life of me get certain radius' 3d milled parts to come out correctly. With another model (and even smaller part/features it worked fine.)
[16:49:00] <Tom_itx> a fillet is a solid remove
[16:49:02] <Tom_itx> or add
[16:49:05] <yasnak> ok
[16:49:09] <Tom_itx> an arc is at the sketch level
[16:49:22] <yasnak> so from your view would they be different?
[16:49:27] <yasnak> I'm not a solidworks guy
[16:49:30] <yasnak> obviously
[16:49:34] <Tom_itx> they produce the same result
[16:49:35] <Tom_itx> however
[16:49:38] <yasnak> and it appears nobody is left in the building
[16:49:53] <Tom_itx> i've been taught that fillets etc should be done at the solid level
[16:49:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rockler.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Bubinga-Hardwood-Tree.jpg just round it out on the lathe
[16:50:01] <Tom_itx> easier to edit
[16:50:13] <Tom_itx> you don't have to chase down the sketch to modify them
[16:50:14] <gregcnc> _methods porterarms.net/ "We screw. We nut. We bolt."
[16:50:49] <yasnak> I'm wondering if by doing radius' that way it is different as far as the actual *data* in the model file.
[16:51:05] <Tom_itx> no idea about that
[16:51:13] <Tom_itx> i'm sure there is a difference
[16:51:32] <yasnak> Because both powermill and mastercam I've completely blew a day up trying to fix this. Its a complex TINY surface profile. Such a pain.
[16:51:52] <Tom_itx> easy peazy in catia :D
[16:52:23] <yasnak> Bobcam...tried it. Bobcam is an utter sham of software. It would be so amazing if it worked. Anything you do crashes it.
[16:52:28] <Tom_itx> nothing you can post?
[16:52:55] <yasnak> well...we're trying to patent it heh
[16:53:03] <Tom_itx> solidworks should do it with no troubles
[16:53:05] <gregcnc> CAM can't reproduce it?
[16:53:10] <yasnak> CAM cannot reproduce it
[16:53:21] <Tom_itx> shitty cam then
[16:53:21] <yasnak> There isn't any undercuts or whatever. EM is much smaller then the features.
[16:53:46] <yasnak> Tolerances are smallest possible as we're using HSM. Program is 240k lines long.
[16:54:03] <Tom_itx> that's not that much for a surface
[16:54:06] <yasnak> running a 0.015 EM @ 40k heh
[16:54:44] <Tom_itx> it'll probably eat about 2k / sec
[16:55:02] <yasnak> yeah the buffer is still not big enough :P
[16:55:10] <Tom_itx> dnc
[16:55:25] <Tom_itx> we had to do that on some machines
[16:55:34] <yasnak> usb external drive. it reads it straight from it
[16:56:17] <Tom_itx> it's not a polished turd like zeeshan makes is it?
[16:56:54] <yasnak> everything i get from an engineer is a polished turd
[16:56:59] <yasnak> amirite
[16:59:09] <Tom_itx> haven't worked with sw as much as catia lately
[16:59:36] <Tom_itx> trying to get fluent with both
[17:00:19] <CaptHindsight> I like it when CAM calls out a 0.250" 5" long end mill
[17:00:34] <Tom_itx> i doubt you can buy one
[17:00:45] <CaptHindsight> i have a few
[17:00:57] <Tom_itx> what's the loc on em?
[17:01:00] <gregcnc> you can try tools -> geometry analysis, but I'm not sure it will help if you don't know what to look for. I can't be of much help there.
[17:01:08] <Tom_itx> we had some 8" or longer but they were ~1"
[17:05:49] <JT-Shop> might get a large shank endmill that long
[17:08:57] <gregcnc> 1/4 x 6" www.ebay.com/itm/222118563842
[17:09:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how's nano treating you?
[17:09:34] <JT-Shop> havn't got back to the nano but have the uno figured out
[17:09:40] <Tom_itx> super high helix on that
[17:10:00] <JT-Shop> where is a good place to get atmega328 chips and the holders ?
[17:10:01] <_methods> low helix
[17:10:16] <_methods> high helix is tighter
[17:10:16] <Tom_itx> perspective :)
[17:10:20] <_methods> hehe
[17:10:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what sort of holders?
[17:10:39] <Tom_itx> you can get them in dip
[17:10:45] <Tom_itx> or tqfp
[17:10:49] <Tom_itx> or qfn iirc
[17:11:30] <JT-Shop> the dip ones
[17:11:42] <Tom_itx> probably digikey or mouser
[17:11:55] <Tom_itx> what sort of carrier do you want?
[17:12:09] <JT-Shop> carrier?
[17:12:14] <Tom_itx> chip carrier
[17:12:19] <gregcnc> seems like it would have too much deflection to be of use. The short flute necked type seem more practical
[17:12:36] <_methods> ahhh salmon is on da grill
[17:13:08] <JT-Shop> what are my choices? or what should I google for?
[17:13:11] <_methods> grilled corn and salmon
[17:13:20] <JT-Shop> be right over
[17:13:31] <_methods> hehe
[17:13:35] <gregcnc> i have to try grilling fish
[17:13:41] <_methods> ah it's great
[17:14:03] <_methods> some fish you can just throw right on the grill like swordfish tua
[17:14:05] <_methods> tuna
[17:14:13] <_methods> but salmon i put on some aluminum foil
[17:14:40] <_methods> throw some apple chips in there
[17:14:42] <_methods> bam
[17:15:04] <gregcnc> got some lump charcoal
[17:15:10] <_methods> yeah
[17:15:20] <_methods> i have one of those big green eggs
[17:15:33] <_methods> all you want to use in there is lump
[17:15:35] <JT-Shop> like this I think http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1g3X.LXXXXXXmXXXXq6xXFXXXz/IC-socket-and-p-integrated-circuit-block-DIP18-feet-socket-and-p-font-b-chip-b.jpg
[17:15:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/atmel/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026
[17:17:05] <JT-Shop> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-shore-technology-inc/ED281DT/ED3050-5-ND/4147600
[17:17:26] <Tom_itx> you could get some sipp sockets and use them
[17:17:50] <Tom_itx> single inline ram socket and snap in half for 28 pin
[17:17:56] <Tom_itx> i did that alot
[17:18:36] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[17:19:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/510-AG90D-10/A104980-ND/2299961
[17:19:04] <JT-Shop> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-New-Atmega328-5v-Version-Pro-Mini-Module-16M-For-Arduino-Compatible/32605434250.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.1.S0Yxm4&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_5_10037_10017_10021_507_10022_10032_10009_10020_10008_10018_10019_101,searchweb201603_9&btsid=fce5ebdb-1d88-4fee-ac9f-6037e7805c01
[17:19:06] <Tom_itx> something like that
[17:19:23] <Tom_itx> be careful getting chinese atmegas
[17:19:28] <Tom_itx> not all are 'real'
[17:19:39] <JT-Shop> real?
[17:19:47] <_methods> fakey fakey
[17:20:04] <JT-Shop> don't work or work poorly
[17:20:07] <_methods> most of them have those fake ftdi chips
[17:20:13] <Tom_itx> the arduino stuff is probably ok, it's so competetive
[17:20:37] <enleth> Miejsce zamocowania tablicy reklamowej musi spełniać, co najmniej następujące wymagania:
[17:20:40] <enleth> tablica musi być umieszczona na ścianie przeciwległej do ściany, na której zainstalowana jest kaseta dyspozycji,
[17:20:43] <enleth> tablica nie może zasłaniać tabliczki znamionowej dźwigu, urządzeń łączności ze służbami ratowniczymi, instrukcji użytkowania dźwigu, tabliczek informacyjnych, np. dotyczących konserwacji dźwigu itp., oraz innych informacji w kabinie wymaganych w pkt. 15.2 normy PN-EN 81-1,
[17:20:48] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, have a look: https://www.sparkfun.com/news/364
[17:20:48] <enleth> fuck
[17:20:49] <enleth> sorry
[17:20:51] <_methods> lol
[17:20:51] <enleth> middle click attacks again
[17:21:02] <Enccapsulation> jdh, how did the alu go?
[17:21:16] <enleth> this was right at the threshold where irssi asks if I really want to paste
[17:22:02] <Enccapsulation> chinese atmegas work fine
[17:22:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i generally get 'genuine' atmel chips
[17:22:11] <Enccapsulation> ive used dozens
[17:22:36] <_methods> irssi tryin to look out for you lol
[17:22:55] <enleth> well it does, but for 4 lines of pasted content and up
[17:23:00] <_methods> yeah
[17:23:24] <JT-Shop> interesting
[17:23:41] <Tom_itx> alot of em i'm sure are fine
[17:23:44] <enleth> I'll have to set it to ask whenever a pasted buffer has a line feed at the end, even a single line
[17:24:08] <_methods> i used irssi for years but i moved to weechat now
[17:24:50] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i got those sip headers in like 64pin and snapped them to length
[17:24:52] <enleth> I heard it's better but I just can't be bothered to move
[17:26:24] <_methods> it was a pretty easy transition
[17:26:30] <_methods> the guys that made it based it off irssi
[17:26:37] <_methods> they were all irssi users
[17:26:51] <_methods> it's like quassel, except it works
[17:27:13] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-shore-technology-inc/ED281DT/ED3050-5-ND/4147600
[17:27:20] <Tom_itx> dip sockets
[17:27:24] <Tom_itx> 28 pni
[17:27:26] <Tom_itx> pin
[17:28:00] <Tom_itx> you gonna use external crystals too?
[17:28:15] <Tom_itx> ~22pf caps with the standard can xtal
[17:28:56] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cts-frequency-controls/ATS16A/CTX415-ND/280195
[17:29:02] <Tom_itx> 20pf
[17:33:04] <JT-Shop> xtal?
[17:39:38] <_methods> crystal
[17:39:57] <JT-Shop> ah thanks
[17:40:02] <_methods> np
[17:40:16] <_methods> timer crystal
[17:40:19] <_methods> clock
[17:40:38] <_methods> EE mumbo jumbo
[17:40:51] <_methods> magic xtals
[17:41:30] <_methods> 2 days after copperhead bite and dog's acting like it never happened lol
[17:41:31] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:41:42] <_methods> he still has some swelling
[17:41:50] <_methods> but back to begging like normal lol
[17:42:37] <JT-Shop> it's amazing what a dog can take
[17:42:42] <_methods> yeah
[17:42:59] <_methods> i think the snake only got a light envenomation on him though
[17:57:31] <alex4nder> hmm
[17:58:12] <alex4nder> fusion360 CAM output is boterhing linuxcnc
[17:58:20] <alex4nder> 'radius to end of arc differs from radius to start'
[17:58:41] * alex4nder restarts, and regenerates the tool path
[17:59:24] <alex4nder> sometimes fusion360's CAM kernel just generates weird output when you change stock/model geometry
[18:09:08] <alex4nder> hmm
[18:09:11] <alex4nder> no, this is something else broken
[18:09:22] <alex4nder> g-code that I've used in the past is now not loading, with a similar error
[18:10:09] <alex4nder> the radius error percentage it's complaining about is similar
[18:11:06] <alex4nder> ah hah! the tool table got updated
[18:11:16] <alex4nder> which is weird
[18:16:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, yes you can run them by default on the internal oscillator or add an external crystal for better performance
[18:16:58] <Tom_itx> up to ~20Mhz depending on the chip
[18:31:21] <andypugh> Super-neat limit-switch target. Hole drilled in iron bed, plugged with aluminium plug.
[18:31:21] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6288765985900824402
[18:31:39] <andypugh> Only one minor problem…..
[18:35:38] <Jymmm> gregcnc: CaptHindsight multiple metal mirroring layers... http://angelgilding.com/about-metal-layers/
[18:36:31] * JT-Shop looks at all the goodies Tom_itx send with the programmer... only missing a 168
[18:56:18] <JT-Shop> wow 20pf caps has 17,299 results at digikey...
[18:56:47] <CaptHindsight> "in over 17,000 new colors"
[19:01:31] <andypugh> Caps becale a lot less pretty when they stopped using colour codes
[19:02:07] <andypugh> (Some of my typos baffle me, l and m are some distance apart)
[19:14:42] <Enccapsulation> ordering day
[19:36:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, just some little ceramic caps
[19:36:22] <Tom_itx> you can probably actually get by without em
[19:36:38] <Tom_itx> not really a design recomendation though
[19:37:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[19:37:11] <Tom_itx> your basic setup using the internal oscillator
[19:46:06] <Enccapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHXu5rDW3oU
[19:46:08] <Enccapsulation> cool channel
[19:46:32] <Enccapsulation> 11:00 he cuts
[20:13:57] <gregcnc> andypugh I like the target don't tell me it's in the wrong place
[20:34:20] <LeelooMinai> Oops:/
[20:34:41] <LeelooMinai> One of the ball bearing got out of a block for me.
[20:34:59] <LeelooMinai> Any idea how to load it back? :)
[20:35:17] <LeelooMinai> Good thing is I found it, but not sure now.
[20:36:04] <LeelooMinai> The block is like this one more or less: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-pcs-SBR20UU-Linear-Bearing-20mm-Open-Linear-Bearing-Slide-block-20mm-CNC-parts-linear-slide/32334536127.html
[20:36:37] <LeelooMinai> I see a set screw on the side, but I thought it's for lubrication...
[20:37:30] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, there's also one on top
[20:43:29] <gregcnc> i didn't think those can fall out, but i've never used them
[20:44:02] <LeelooMinai> I think I hit the end of the rail rod when puting the table on.
[20:44:21] <LeelooMinai> With a ball or something like that and it "escaped".
[20:45:08] <LeelooMinai> Googling, but so far nothing.
[20:47:25] <LeelooMinai> http://img.banggood.com/images/oaupload/banggood/images/1A/1D/42078e84-b500-4aae-ae4c-1efcbffb6a09.jpg
[20:47:33] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I should take that o-ring off?
[20:50:42] <jdh> can you push it back in at the 90 turn?
[20:51:15] <enleth> you know what's a good working playlist? an even mix of K-pop and North Korean military marches
[20:51:53] <LeelooMinai> jdh: Does not seem so - at least not without making damage to the plastic part.
[21:00:05] <Tom_itx> it won't just snap back in place?
[21:01:57] <LeelooMinai> O, got it - used tweezers and pressed it with a hex key - popped in
[21:02:21] <LeelooMinai> I must be more careful next time I guess
[21:06:29] <dioz> where do i start guys?
[21:06:33] <dioz> someone tell me where to start
[21:06:52] <dioz> i wanna make a arm that can cut me bathtubs out of wood i salvage
[21:07:06] <dioz> and sell 'em for $30k a pop
[21:08:44] <Tom_itx> wood bathtubs?
[21:08:58] <Tom_itx> don't want splinters in my arse... thanks anyway
[21:09:15] <dioz> nice
[21:10:02] <dioz> is there anything you would want in your arse?
[21:10:13] <dioz> have you ever got your prostate checked?
[21:11:10] <djdelorie> dioz: this is the wrong forum for that
[21:11:25] <Tom_itx> yeah don't be a troll
[21:47:09] <jdh> https://imgur.com/cNo33cx
[21:57:51] <enleth> did you, uh, use any coolant?
[21:58:50] <enleth> or rather lubricant, actually
[21:59:29] <enleth> that looks just like shitty gummy aluminum getting friction welded all over the place
[22:01:22] <enleth> it's actually surprising it got that far without snapping
[22:05:26] <cradek> heh we've all seen that a time or two...
[22:05:54] <jdh> it was bad from the start, I just let it go to failure
[22:07:42] <cradek> what kind of aluminum was it?
[22:08:11] <jdh> 6061
[22:08:26] <cradek> huh usually it's not so bad
[22:08:48] <jdh> yeah, turning too fast, no chip clearing, no real lube/coolant
[22:08:54] <cradek> ah
[22:09:39] <jdh> and some random chinese carbide end mill
[22:10:07] <jdh> I have some good ones somewhere, but I put them someplace safe
[22:10:30] <enleth> 6061? jesus, I did not realize it would go that bad
[22:10:59] <enleth> last time I saw something like this is was hardware store stock
[22:11:05] <enleth> *it was
[22:15:14] <Polymorphism> jdh, what cutter are you suing
[22:15:15] <Polymorphism> using
[22:15:46] <jdh> and some random chinese carbide end mill
[22:15:50] <Polymorphism> how many flute
[22:15:55] <jdh> 1
[22:15:58] <jdh> err.. 2
[22:16:31] <Polymorphism> damn
[22:26:04] <jdh> I found it amusing
[22:49:57] <Tom_itx> rpm too high?
[22:50:26] <jdh> 24k :)
[22:50:58] <Tom_itx> maybe melted to the cutter you think?
[22:51:06] <jdh> yep
[22:51:54] <enleth> what was the DOC and feed rate?
[22:52:08] <Tom_itx> feed too low for the rpm
[22:52:14] <jdh> only 0.013 doc, I think 20ipm
[22:52:47] <jdh> lots of things wrong, just an experiment (chinese 6040)
[22:52:48] <Tom_itx> i doubt the machine would handle the feed needed for that rpm
[22:54:02] <enleth> admit it, you wanted to see what happens when you choose the worst possible combination of parameters for the cut on purpose
[22:55:01] <Tom_itx> does the spindle have pwm or is it set at 24k?
[22:55:07] <jdh> set on vfd
[22:55:57] <jdh> once a chip got stuck on there, it was pretty much over.
[22:55:58] <Tom_itx> i'd try around 6k with the same feed and see what happens
[22:56:09] <enleth> I think I was doing 20ipm at 1000rpm or something like that in 6061 with a 2-flute HSS and it felt a bit slow
[22:56:12] <Tom_itx> with maybe air evac
[22:57:00] <jdh> those endmills are also crap. 10 for $10 on ebay
[22:57:23] <enleth> as in, it cut just fine but going a lot faster was just fine as well
[22:58:14] <jdh> that was the 2nd pass. the chips were either welding to the top of the stock, or just not cutting cleanly
[23:00:28] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/361463436109
[23:02:17] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/oILSKoP.jpg These measured to the thou on my cheap calipers
[23:03:59] <Polymorphism> hmm
[23:04:09] <Polymorphism> seems accurate enough
[23:12:40] <archivist> jdh, http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2015/09/21/15-reasons-cutters-get-broken-on-small-machines/
[23:18:59] <LeelooMinai> What is MRR on that page?
[23:19:45] <LeelooMinai> May Require Resuscitation? :)
[23:23:12] <archivist> maximum removal rate probably