#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-05-21

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[00:00:07] <LeelooMinai> I wonder what Debian it is using.
[00:00:26] <LeelooMinai> I think wheezy ius 7
[00:00:33] <LeelooMinai> But I guess whatever.
[00:00:47] <Valen> if you want to avoid more yaks than you need to ;->
[00:00:53] <LeelooMinai> Right
[00:01:12] <Valen> I did it for the development environment
[00:01:21] <Valen> was too hard getting all the build stuff in ubuntu
[00:01:26] <Valen> just a pain in the butt
[00:01:39] <Valen> VM from ISO presto blam done lol
[00:01:48] <LeelooMinai> What you were working on?
[00:03:07] <LeelooMinai> It would be neat if linuxcnc was accessible from different places/languages/guis etc. over network imho. Would add a lot of value to it.
[00:04:25] <Valen> it is evidently
[00:04:30] <Valen> you just need to do it
[00:04:45] <Valen> I need to make some changes to pncconf
[00:04:50] <Valen> just fiddly bits
[00:43:45] <Valen> LeelooMinai: how are you getting on?
[00:44:31] <LeelooMinai> Just finish downloading the iso
[00:44:36] <LeelooMinai> finished*
[00:47:53] <Valen> but you already had it? you delete stuff? omfg
[00:48:28] <LeelooMinai> No, I mean I downloaded the linuxcnc iso. I had Debian 8 VM already here.
[00:51:11] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, the iso has 32 bit Debian inside, right, not 64-bit one?
[00:54:04] <Valen> no idea
[00:54:27] <Valen> I meant I presumed you had the iso so that you could install it onto your CNC machine
[00:55:12] <LeelooMinai> My CNC machine is separate from my desktop. I am trying to run GUI on the desktop in VM
[00:58:16] <yasnak> hmmm
[00:59:02] <yasnak> anyone ever used this pdm/doc software before? http://predator-software.com/Predator_Software.htm seems like cimco...but cheaper?
[00:59:54] <Valen> yes I know that. at some point in time you had the iso to install the cnc machine, you downloaded the iso again to install your vm
[01:00:57] <LeelooMinai> Right, because that was a year or more ago, so I don't have it any more.
[01:01:51] <Valen> I have ubuntu 6.something ISO's floating around ;->
[01:02:12] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I have chosen 32 bit in VM. I recall that linuxcnc + rtai was problematic on 64 bit (?)
[01:02:27] <LeelooMinai> So I am guessing kind of that that iso is 32 bit
[01:02:50] <Valen> if its running probably lol
[01:04:42] <LeelooMinai> Not yet, but close.
[01:05:40] <LeelooMinai> So, hm, what is my plan here. Do I setup this one by cloning my ini from the real box or what...
[01:06:15] <Valen> I think you want to follow this basically http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Running_Multiple_User_Interfaces
[01:07:28] <Valen> since you aren't running in place I don't think you need to worry about the environment stuff
[01:07:47] <LeelooMinai> The "last edited 2009" part makes me a bit uneasy:)
[01:08:02] <Valen> I think you will just need to change the config.nml stuff in your cnc install
[01:08:20] <Valen> then do the same in your VM
[01:08:31] <Valen> then i think it might all "just work"
[01:09:43] <Valen> worst case you can run your X session in here and it should work, though the motion planner might not be happy
[01:12:26] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I do not see any nml files
[01:17:04] <Valen> sudo find / -iname "*.nml" should find them
[01:29:15] <plasmator> anyone have any experience with the chinese laser guys on ebay?
[01:29:22] <plasmator> I'm buying a laser this next week I think but really don't feel like paying out the ass for an epilog
[02:24:20] <Valen> LeelooMinai: any word?
[02:25:28] <XXCoder> hey LeelooMinai
[02:26:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:32:16] <LeelooMinai> Hmm
[02:33:44] <LeelooMinai> I used server and client.nml files. The server part complained about some buffers being too small, so I increased them a bit in the nml file and it started fine.
[02:34:07] <LeelooMinai> I have a problem with the client though - I think it starts in the server mode and complains about some buffers missing.
[02:35:04] <CaptHindsight> plasmator: mostly junk, poor power supplies, broken tubes, half-assed just about everything else, so plan on having to fix it right out of the box
[02:35:19] <CaptHindsight> just like the routers
[02:35:40] <XXCoder> lasers yeah very cheap, though you have to basically rebuild it in right way
[02:36:10] <CaptHindsight> either pay to have it done right for you or plan on spending the time doing it yourself
[02:36:39] <CaptHindsight> lasers, routers, machines, women etc
[02:36:43] <LeelooMinai> Lasers are cheap until you burn your house down:p
[02:37:16] <CaptHindsight> even their language is broken
[02:38:09] <XXCoder> cnc routers is bit easier, just change all bearings lol
[02:38:17] <XXCoder> I think mine needs to be done
[02:38:39] <CaptHindsight> How do you sink a Chinese submarine?
[02:39:43] <CaptHindsight> Put it in water
[02:39:55] <CaptHindsight> ........ and there goes my next visa
[02:40:36] <CaptHindsight> take the crunch out of the bearings
[02:40:45] <CaptHindsight> capture the bearings
[02:40:46] <Valen> how are you starting the client?
[02:41:25] <LeelooMinai> Valen: Right now normally. Tried that tcl command, but maybe I should first find where the tcl file is...
[02:42:10] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: "capture" the bearings? not familiar with that
[02:43:03] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: these were free floating
[02:43:12] <CaptHindsight> axially and radially
[02:43:28] <CaptHindsight> 2+ mm of lash
[02:43:39] <XXCoder> crazy
[02:43:55] <XXCoder> I havent tried to find what backlash is on my machine
[02:44:09] <Valen> oh so you just changed the localhost to the ip address then tried to start axis on your cnc machine?
[02:44:42] <LeelooMinai> Right, I edited both client and server nml files, changes ip eddresses inside, and fixed buffer sizes on the server side.
[02:45:07] <LeelooMinai> The server side starts, but the client side complains about missing buffers.
[02:45:39] <LeelooMinai> But that makes me wonder how the client side knows it's the client side...
[02:45:51] <LeelooMinai> I think it doesn't and tries to be the server?
[02:46:23] <LeelooMinai> Or I really need to find that tkemc.tcl
[02:46:28] <Valen> well the client side should just be axis
[02:46:38] <Valen> I found this http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/LinuxCNC-block-diagram-small.png
[02:47:21] <LeelooMinai> Right, that looks nice - so the NML exchange would be the network part.
[02:47:32] <LeelooMinai> I think...
[02:47:57] <Valen> yeah
[02:47:57] <LeelooMinai> So in theory this should work, but I cannot find that tkemc.tcl file
[02:48:31] <LeelooMinai> Doesn't seem to be on the filesystem
[02:49:20] <Valen> /usr/lib/tcltk/linuxcnc/tklinuxcnc.tcl I'm guessing
[02:50:25] <Valen> that probably does need the EMC environment stuff run first
[02:50:54] <Valen> but that looks to be the super old interface
[02:51:29] <LeelooMinai> Right, I wonder why I cannot just any GUI
[02:51:34] <LeelooMinai> just run*
[02:51:35] <Valen> you can
[02:51:46] <LeelooMinai> Well, I trioed axis
[02:52:21] <Valen> and?
[02:52:22] <LeelooMinai> But it complains about those buffers missing... As I wrote, I am not sure how one specifies that this is a client run
[02:52:53] <Valen> it is always the client I presume, the linuxcnc command will be starting axis up for you
[02:53:53] <LeelooMinai> Here's the client side fail: http://i.imgur.com/J6EXCP0.png
[02:54:17] <LeelooMinai> So, it wants toolsSts buffer.
[02:55:04] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, weird
[02:55:54] <LeelooMinai> My file looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/h78Fkel.png
[02:56:36] <LeelooMinai> Indeed those buffers are not there.
[03:02:26] <archivist> LeelooMinai, nml might be broken in the current stuff https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg63007.html
[03:03:43] <LeelooMinai> What is this about? "The MachineKit folk are a year or two ahead of you guys"
[03:04:14] <LeelooMinai> Is this some linuxcnc alternative?
[03:05:39] <XXCoder> if I recall right, linuxcnc ripoff
[03:05:56] <XXCoder> they use linuxcnc guts and use their own non-open source gui on it
[03:06:02] <XXCoder> could be wrong though
[03:06:31] <Valen> its a fork, I don't know if its OS or not
[03:06:55] <LeelooMinai> Seems they are on github
[03:07:11] <XXCoder> https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit
[03:07:19] <archivist> that sits on beaglebone though
[03:07:52] <LeelooMinai> http://www.machinekit.io/docs/packages-debian/
[03:08:05] <LeelooMinai> Seems they have also intel there
[03:09:40] <Valen> sounds like they are adding stuff to be more inbetween front and back end apps
[03:10:41] <archivist> LeelooMinai, jepler got it fixed on 26th march though
[03:11:39] <LeelooMinai> RIght, not sure what I am doing wrong. I copied the client.nml file from the samples and seems to be missing stuff
[03:11:55] <archivist> seems to have merged the fix into trunk on the 12th of may
[03:12:53] <archivist> so use a remote vnc to use your machine rather than nml for a bit
[03:13:39] <Valen> he is trying to get away from VNC ;->
[03:13:48] <LeelooMinai> Who?
[03:13:49] <Valen> likes the idea of it being native and all that jazz
[03:13:52] <Valen> you
[03:14:15] <LeelooMinai> Valen: A, me...
[03:14:24] <LeelooMinai> Valen: I am "she" btw:)
[03:14:47] <Valen> on the internet everybody is a guy, the men are men, the women are men and the children work for the FBI
[03:15:05] <Valen> but I'll try to keep it in mind ;-P
[03:15:25] <LeelooMinai> Valen: Right, I heared that in the past...
[03:16:22] <LeelooMinai> So, how often such updates appear in the acxtual packlage manager in Debian?
[03:16:38] <LeelooMinai> If they do at all that is:)
[03:16:56] <Valen> archivist: what was the fix he did?
[03:17:05] <archivist> I changed my mind about this. The branch has now been merged into
[03:17:05] <archivist> master, so nml-over-tcp may be a working feature in the next major
[03:17:05] <archivist> release of linuxcnc.
[03:17:54] <archivist> valen The work is on a branch, "[origin/]jepler/master/nml-tcp" otherwise dunno
[03:21:35] <archivist> I was basically reading this thread, https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/emc-users/thread/56EED7A2.5060905@gmail.com/?page=4
[03:23:08] <LeelooMinai> Seems to be about people using more and more those small ARM-based beaglebone/PI-like boards.
[03:23:49] <archivist> yes but in that pile there are some jepler messages about what he is doing/fixing
[03:24:10] <Valen> I wonder if LeelooMinai could just pull the config files from https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/configs/common
[03:24:54] <LeelooMinai> I wonder why there are 3 nml files there
[03:25:08] <LeelooMinai> Maybe the linuxcnc one is common or something?
[03:25:11] <archivist> probably have to run master
[03:25:35] <LeelooMinai> I think I will just wait for that next release
[03:26:00] <archivist> nml testers are wanted :)
[03:26:06] <LeelooMinai> Because last time, few days ago, I ran master, it did not work well...
[03:26:20] <Valen> master will work and break regularly I believe ;->
[03:26:36] <LeelooMinai> Right, I imagine
[03:27:02] <archivist> methinks get working and then dont update till release to avoid the breaking
[03:28:03] <LeelooMinai> THe release would be something like 2.8 next?
[03:28:45] <Valen> that's what I'd do
[03:28:50] <LeelooMinai> Does that also come with new debian usually, or one would keep the old OS?
[03:30:17] <Valen> keep the OS
[03:30:52] <Valen> I'd actually take a close look at just taking the missing lines from that config file as an easy thing to try
[03:47:32] <Valen> archivist: you might be able to help with this one, why do the numbers for the pins in pncconf change when you start adding stepgens and the like?
[03:47:57] <Valen> is it perhaps reflecting which stepgen it is rather than which pin its on or some such?
[03:48:58] <archivist> I dont use that at all
[03:50:15] <archivist> tend not to read about that or stepconf because I think there is a fundamental flaw with the way they work
[03:52:05] <archivist> they both "remember" what they gave you and not what you have in the ini/hal if you edit and cannot know all the possibilities
[03:52:27] <Valen> I can understand both sides of that argument
[03:52:38] <Valen> your side is more correct, but a bunch more work lol
[03:54:22] <Sync> Valen: all the cool kids are over polymer concrete now
[03:54:34] <Valen> damn, whats the new hotness?
[03:55:25] <XXCoder> archivist: it made me wonder if its time to split HAL and user define stuff intio seperate files
[03:55:33] <Valen> Sync: ^
[03:55:35] <XXCoder> so can use stepconf but not lose special stuff
[03:55:57] <Valen> XXCoder: you can use custom.hal for stuff like that I believe
[03:56:04] <archivist> XXCoder, it already has that
[03:56:10] <XXCoder> ahh ok :)
[03:56:18] <XXCoder> so just name custom.hal and its loaded
[03:57:01] <archivist> but, as always that wont cover certain things so just edit anyway
[03:58:16] <Valen> step/pncconf will spit out a custom.hal or whatever it is meant to be for you
[03:58:19] <Valen> you can then edit that
[03:59:03] <shaaame> hello guys, I have a little problem
[03:59:29] <archivist> yes but you have to change stuff in the main file if you need to add some comp (increase the qty)
[03:59:52] <shaaame> Actually can't find the language options so I can't tell you what the error is in english :(
[04:00:18] <Valen> if you use named components or twopass you don't ?
[04:00:37] <Valen> twopass and non named components would be bad though
[04:00:39] <Sync> Valen: just regular machine castings
[04:00:48] <Valen> does stepconf use named components?
[04:00:51] <XXCoder> shaaame: any error #?
[04:00:53] <Valen> Sync: cast iron?
[04:01:23] <shaaame> XXCoder no but because of a mistake I made an endpoint (?) sensor has triggered
[04:01:34] <shaaame> and now I can't turn the machine on anymore
[04:01:55] <Sync> yes Valen
[04:02:03] <XXCoder> strange. anyone know?
[04:02:12] <Valen> Sync: because why?
[04:02:32] <Sync> the emodulus of polymer concrete sucks
[04:02:46] <Sync> and you have to put in inserts so the cost is not lower
[04:03:09] <Sync> it was the rage™ the last decade but, eh
[04:03:12] <archivist> valen if this is in main,hal loadrt abs count=1 then in custom it would be an error to have loadrt abs count=2 to get an extra one
[04:04:50] <archivist> shaaame, the error in "some language" would help,
[04:04:51] <Valen> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/twopass.html is meant to be the solution to that I believe
[04:05:16] <Valen> Sync: so my steel welded mill is not looking too shabby again? lol yay
[04:05:21] <shaaame> in german it's "Fehler Joint am Enschalter"
[04:05:25] <shaaame> *joint 2
[04:06:17] <Sync> weldments were the new kid on the block in the 80s
[04:07:42] <Valen> I mean its not going to be as good as cast iron, but its achieveable ;->
[04:08:10] <Sync> so is cast iron
[04:08:10] <Valen> is there anything inherently wrong with a welded machine? Presumably after a heat treatment
[04:08:33] <archivist> shaaame, might be as simple as moving off the sensor and trying again
[04:08:47] <Valen> $1200 gets me 700kg worth of plasma cut steel ready for welding delivered to my workshop
[04:09:17] <shaaame> archivist: yes but how do I move off the sensor? manual control is disabled because I can't turn on the controls
[04:09:20] <Valen> I have the sneaking suspicion a casting ~ a cubic meter in size even with the same steel mass would cost rather more
[04:09:44] <XXCoder> shaaame: if yours was same as mine, I would just literally push it off sensor
[04:10:01] <XXCoder> assuming my machine had any
[04:10:11] <archivist> shaaame, I would just rotate the ballscrew if I could get at it
[04:11:07] <shaaame> I probably can't do that
[04:11:54] <XXCoder> shaaame: got idea
[04:11:56] <XXCoder> run stepconf
[04:12:01] <XXCoder> manually move
[04:12:03] <archivist> noo
[04:12:05] <XXCoder> exit without saving
[04:12:16] <Valen> Sync: thoughts on cost?
[04:12:22] <shaaame> getting mixed messages :D
[04:12:32] <Sync> well, not really Valen, but most mills that are made that way commercially are lighter
[04:12:40] <archivist> exit without saving is probably ok
[04:12:41] <Sync> well, I think the cost would be about the same
[04:12:58] <Valen> probably cost the same if you got somebody else to do the welding ;->
[04:13:09] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah, it can directly control machine and basically ignore sensors so its great way to get it unstuck
[04:14:47] <Sync> hm, there should be a way to move it off the limits natively imho
[04:15:12] <XXCoder> Sync: dunno, seems to me that even manual mode you cant move if its on limit
[04:15:19] <Valen> I thought you could jog off limit switches?
[04:15:35] <Valen> just not onto them further
[04:15:38] <XXCoder> which is bit strange as I can certainly do that on big machines.
[04:18:31] <archivist> I never fitted switches to mine :)
[04:18:55] <shaaame> ok so a forum post led me to the manual
[04:19:03] <shaaame> supposedly there is a "override limits" button
[04:19:11] <shaaame> that will ignore triggered limits to jogg off them
[04:20:10] <shaaame> ok found that button
[04:21:29] <shaaame> hm ok so the button is probably stuck
[04:22:17] <shaaame> which is bad because I have absolutely no idea where that one physically is
[04:24:36] <archivist> swarf/chips jamming it ?
[04:26:17] <shaaame> maybe? if I knew how to check...
[04:26:23] <shaaame> looking for the machine manual
[04:28:04] <shaaame> huh
[04:28:05] <Sync> maybe the cable fell off?
[04:28:22] <shaaame> nvm actually I could do a reference thingy and now it's fine
[04:28:51] <shaaame> hm. I mean I'm glad it works again
[04:28:57] <shaaame> but what broke?^
[04:29:20] <Sync> did you move the machine unhomed?
[04:29:51] <shaaame> I think I didn't...
[04:37:06] <shaaame> this is the exact point where technology is indistinguishable from magic and I hate it haha
[04:39:26] <Sync> wat
[04:41:35] <shaaame> anyway thanks for your help everyone
[04:42:00] <XXCoder> okay. lol
[04:43:25] <XXCoder> this is pretty cool. https://electronicmercenary.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/watersports-to-kill-a-laserbird-3-of-x/
[05:09:15] <mase-tech> hihi
[05:15:46] <Deejay> haha
[05:15:56] <XXCoder> hoho
[05:17:38] <witnit> hey hey
[05:18:52] <Deejay> mojn mojn :)
[05:19:30] <witnit> moin!
[05:19:44] <witnit> I shouldnt be up this early
[05:20:17] <witnit> It only took about three days of working on that lathe I bought, and last night I ran my first part
[05:20:35] <XXCoder> nice! and how was part
[05:20:44] <witnit> goooooood :)
[05:21:02] <witnit> I still need to finish making sense of the turret so I can write some ladder logic for it
[05:22:35] <witnit> hydraulic with some special shift thing for stopping at the corners of toolpost or the flats
[05:31:09] <XXCoder> cool though I dont know what some of that means. not a lathe guy
[05:31:46] <jthornton> what kind of lathe?
[05:44:15] <XXCoder> working one apparentlu
[05:52:02] <witnit> jthornton: some old clausing colchester, it looked like they took the standard lathe they were producing and added ballscrews and a tape reader cnc control
[05:52:19] <witnit> I even have some of the old fanuc NC tape with jobs on them :P
[05:53:53] <witnit> hydraulic chuck, and turret, w/ 4speed gearbox and thats about all
[05:54:43] <witnit> jthornton: http://pasteboard.co/11liCGBg.jpg I was in a big rush to get the machine running so, for now, it shall look like this
[05:56:06] <jthornton> cool
[07:17:28] <Tom_itx> morning
[07:49:34] <jthornton> off to taneycomo lake this morning
[08:21:12] <_methods> jesus have you seen this weekends harbor fright free coupons
[08:21:23] <_methods> i'm not going anywhere near that place
[08:22:03] <archivist> yo know you want to
[08:22:14] <_methods> http://images.harborfreight.com/hftweb/home-page2016/images051916/huge_free_coupons_bw.jpg
[08:22:27] <_methods> it's going to be a zoo
[08:23:11] <_methods> free power strip lol
[08:25:23] <_methods> damn i might have to go i'm making a drift trike and the motor i need is on sale for $100
[08:25:29] <_methods> i think it's normally like $130
[08:26:53] <Polymorphism> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html price is dropping
[08:26:59] <Polymorphism> down to about $1000 shipped now
[08:55:39] <malcom2073> You can always find something cheaper if you're willing to find qualities to sacrifice
[11:03:23] <zeeshan|2> is q1900 stil the best for the bang embedded solution?
[11:03:30] <zeeshan|2> or something better out there? :p
[11:18:58] <jdh> I have lots of free HF voltmeters, they are great
[11:21:32] <Jymmm> jdh: I'll take one please.
[11:21:43] <Jymmm> oh, HF, nevermind.
[11:21:52] <Jymmm> I thought you said HV (high voltage)
[11:22:40] <Encapsulation> zlog
[11:53:27] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB1J7eMFP3w&t=3m30s that work table flex xD
[11:54:04] <Erant> jdh: I keep a bunch of cheapie volt meters around the house.
[11:54:17] <Erant> I'm prone to misplacing them (despite them being fucking yellow).
[11:54:43] <Erant> VC99, which is a Fluke knock-off, but usually only about $25
[11:55:08] <Erant> Which reminds me, I should get another one. I killed the high-current circuit on one o them.
[11:56:40] <archivist> usually fused
[11:56:50] <archivist> or should be
[11:57:28] <Erant> It is, but I don't trust that thing any more for other reasons.
[11:59:01] <Erant> Actually, now that I have you. I got a VFD, rated for 1/2-HP motors. In the spec sheet it says it supplies 2.2A nominal at 240V, but it also says it takes in 6.9A at 240V on the 1 phase side... What's up with that? Is that just a peak spec?
[11:59:50] <Erant> I was hoping to get away with using a 500W 110-240V converter I had lying around...
[12:02:06] <archivist> the output rating is per phase, input is single phase
[12:02:34] <archivist> so input is higher than out
[12:03:04] <archivist> where are you anyway
[12:03:22] <Erant> US, unfortunately.
[12:03:26] <Erant> Stupid 110V...
[12:03:53] <CaptHindsight> let me know when you find one that has more power out than in, and if the label says Mr Fusion
[12:03:56] <archivist> you should have 220 as well
[12:04:28] <Erant> House was built in 1915, no 220V wiring.
[12:05:07] * archivist expects a rewire since 1915
[12:05:53] <Erant> There's cloth-wrapped wiring in the walls.
[12:05:57] <Erant> I kid you not.
[12:06:29] <Erant> The garage does actually have some new wiring, but I'm fairly sure all the breakers in the box are marked 110V
[12:07:37] <archivist> no wonder fires are more common over there
[12:08:22] <Erant> I have a gas powered drier, and a gas-stove as well.
[12:08:44] <Erant> The 110V ticks me off. I moved here from the Netherlands, and I had welders running just off mains.
[12:08:47] <Erant> No go here...
[12:08:53] <archivist> gas is in most properties here too
[12:09:23] <Erant> It was more to illustrate the no-high-power-electricals.
[12:10:47] <Erant> Anyway. So a converter it is. I'll run it off the 500W one, we'll see if it pops a fuse. The box it came it actually specifies 1/2-HP motor capable.
[12:10:58] <zeeshan|2> of i go camping
[12:11:02] <Erant> Have fun!
[12:11:05] <zeeshan|2> will be nice to get away from work and also the machine shop
[12:11:06] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:11:28] <zeeshan|2> http://astro-canada.ca/_en/a2106.php
[12:11:33] <Erant> My wife is a total pyromaniac, which is one of the reasons we go camping.
[12:11:36] <zeeshan|2> ill be there tomorrow if someone wants to stop! :P
[12:11:42] <zeeshan|2> haha
[12:11:47] <zeeshan|2> camp fires are the best
[12:11:55] <zeeshan|2> unless youre in fort mcmurray, alberta :)
[12:12:02] <Erant> *whistles*
[12:13:09] <Jymmm> Camping? Pfff, that's a contained 3ft fire... newbs!
[12:14:13] <Jymmm> It's when you have 2 acres AND the local firefighters (talk about pyros) actuallly HELPING you that gets fun =)
[12:14:41] <Erant> archivist: So the guy I bought the lathe off is offering me a 3-jaw chuck (lathe came with a 4 jaw). English made, fully ground, pretty much mint condition. He says "As far as pricing: like some girls, I'm easy but I want to be respected."
[12:14:51] <Erant> Any clue what a 5" 3 jaw like that is worth?
[12:17:01] <archivist> makes are Pratt/Burnerd or both after the merger
[12:17:26] <archivist> also Taylor in larger sizes
[12:19:12] <Erant> Oh damn they're like $400+
[12:19:21] <archivist> about £160 new in box with inner and outer jaws
[12:19:50] <Erant> eBay lies.
[12:20:23] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRATT-BURNERD-80mm-3-JAW-CHUCK-FRONT-MOUNTING-HARRISON-COLCHESTER-LATHES-/201273247147
[12:21:53] <archivist> seen plenty junkers after years of abuse
[12:27:33] <Erant> Figure I'll offer him ~$80 then. It'd be nice to have a 3 jaw along the 4 jaw.
[12:30:03] <archivist> I use a 3 jaw more often
[12:31:00] <archivist> the 3 jaw I got on the Lorch was junk had to change it
[12:35:00] <maxcnc> hi from a summerday in Germany
[12:38:07] <Jymmm> 45F/7C
[12:39:41] <maxcnc> 77F 25C
[12:41:13] <CaptHindsight> LOL's http://www.qnx.com/download/feature.html?programid=27444 Total cost of ownership Linux vs. QNX - Part1
[12:46:11] <archivist> tell us the answer, not giving them info
[12:49:39] <CaptHindsight> what! You want some info from us and you don't want our sales force to harass you?
[12:50:15] <archivist> precisely :)
[12:50:16] <CaptHindsight> info/propaganda
[12:51:29] <archivist> my total cost of linux has been totalled to "not a lot"
[12:53:57] <CaptHindsight> it's a takes a bit more time now if you don't want a zillion services on by default or systemd
[12:59:36] <arauchfuss> I am setting up spindle control with a 5i25 and mx4660 based on the following wiki page.
[12:59:41] <arauchfuss> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html#_pwm_spindle_speed
[13:00:32] <arauchfuss> I checked my mesa pins, and the pwm output is on 14.
[13:01:02] <arauchfuss> which is correct for the mx4660.
[13:01:24] <arauchfuss> problem is linuxcnc throws an error on the following line.
[13:01:46] <arauchfuss> net spindle-pwm pwmgen.0.pwm => hm2_5i25.0.pin-14-out
[13:02:42] <archivist> and the error message was?
[13:03:32] <arauchfuss> ugh can't copy paste from the error dialog.
[13:04:00] <arauchfuss> Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.pin-14-out' Does not exist
[13:06:08] <arauchfuss> the mesa card has 'addf hm2_5i25.0.read servo-thread'
[13:06:32] <arauchfuss> and also write at the beginning of the file.
[13:06:54] <arauchfuss> steppers work fine.
[13:07:35] <archivist> does not exist errors are typos usually
[13:10:08] <maxcnc> arauchfuss: if you can upoad your hal we will look at it
[13:13:25] <arauchfuss> thanks
[13:13:44] <arauchfuss> just looking over the rest of the error trace.
[13:14:16] <arauchfuss> is there a log file so I can pastebin the error?
[13:14:22] <archivist> is that pin an out in the config you are using
[13:14:44] <archivist> dmesg
[13:17:16] <archivist> arauchfuss, stay in channel so all can help
[13:18:30] <arauchfuss> http://pastebin.com/ysrgrGzv
[13:20:20] <arauchfuss> look under "setup spindle for PWM"
[13:22:42] <archivist> er num_pwmgens=0
[13:22:49] <maxcnc> did you load the support files from mesa
[13:23:49] <arauchfuss> I loaded the bitfile
[13:24:03] <maxcnc> line 8 and only use as many stepgens as you need
[13:24:12] <Encxapsulation> omiocnc shipping has increase to 800 dollars....
[13:24:28] <Encxapsulation> its now a $3000 machine shipped, 3x the price of the 6040
[13:24:38] <maxcnc> loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=1 num_pwmgens=1 num_stepgens=3 sserial_port_0=00xxxx"
[13:25:21] <arauchfuss> this was my working hal file generated by pncconf
[13:26:31] <arauchfuss> doesn't the charge pump count as a stepgen?
[13:27:33] <arauchfuss> loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=1 num_stepgens=4"
[13:27:57] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?About_Charge_Pumps
[13:30:40] <maxcnc> arauchfuss: http://cnc-for-model-engineers.blogspot.de/2013/02/kx1-5i25-and-spindle-speeds.html
[13:31:54] <malcom2073> Encxapsulation: But it'll lsat 3x as long and you'll make 3x better parts and be 3x happier
[13:31:56] <malcom2073> that's like... 9x!
[13:32:45] <arauchfuss> maxcnc: thanks for pointing out that line and the blog post.
[13:33:28] <arauchfuss> I am going to go grab a beer and start reading.
[13:34:53] <maxcnc> m off BBq Gn8 from Germany
[13:45:45] <ZATK> how can I find out if I can use a cnc with LinuxCNC
[13:46:41] <malcom2073> Does it have servos or steppers? If so, you can probably use it with linuxcnc
[13:46:42] <archivist> some learning and reading
[13:47:17] <archivist> and asking the right questions
[13:48:13] <malcom2073> What kind of CNC?
[13:53:48] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:04:40] <jdh> does it involve USB
[14:05:33] <arauchfuss> Ah! had not realized that mesa had its own pwmgen, I was going down the wrong track.
[14:06:04] <arauchfuss> looking at parallel port examples
[14:08:47] <arauchfuss> btw can I just delete the pid lines from my hal file, since I don't have a closed loop control system?
[14:20:04] <MacGyverX> #LinuxCNC
[14:20:10] <MacGyverX> #Glowforge
[14:23:49] <CaptHindsight> can linuxcnc control a rubber band powered machine?
[14:24:52] <CaptHindsight> with encoders
[14:36:14] <gregcnc> capthindsight I think it could, but will you will need some way of letting you know the rubber bands need winding
[14:46:26] <archivist> dont forget you need to enable threading in your OS for parallel rubber bands
[15:02:08] <Encxapsulation> I think I will order that cnc, 6040z80-s65j, and also wanhao duplicator i3 v2 3d printer
[15:09:49] <jdh> uh huh
[15:54:46] <alex4nder> re..
[16:15:45] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: how do it reverse?
[16:38:36] <Encxapsulation> ok
[16:38:39] <Encxapsulation> im getting ready to order
[16:38:41] <Encxapsulation> this is huge
[16:39:50] <XXCoder> cool
[16:42:11] <Encxapsulation> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html
[16:42:20] <Encxapsulation> what do they mean with the workpiece dimensions>?
[16:42:29] <Encxapsulation> I just noticed, they are much smaller than the working travel?
[16:42:37] <Encxapsulation> Max.workpiece dimension:
[16:42:37] <Encxapsulation>
[16:42:37] <Encxapsulation> 200mm*240mm<90mm
[16:42:43] <Encxapsulation> I knew about the z, but whats up with the xy
[16:42:51] <Encxapsulation> Effective working travel:
[16:42:51] <Encxapsulation>
[16:42:51] <Encxapsulation> 580(X)mm*480(Y)mm*65(Z)mm
[16:43:33] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: area tool can cut
[16:43:54] <XXCoder> workspace is area spindle can reach, machine itself is larger
[16:44:18] <XXCoder> I would laugh if someone managed to build a machine that has larger workspace than machine size
[16:46:32] <enleth> XXCoder: there are laser cutters that can move a long sheet of material back and forth with the parts outside the machine supported by roller stands
[16:46:42] <Encxapsulation> I dont understand how the workpiece area is so small
[16:46:44] <XXCoder> enleth: oh yeah
[16:46:47] <Encxapsulation> this calls the whole choice into question
[16:46:50] <enleth> technically they can handle a piece of material bigger than the working area
[16:46:57] <Encxapsulation> I thought work area was max workpiece dimension
[16:47:30] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: oh yeah I am reminded of that cnc umm whatever "router" that spides sheet back and forth
[16:47:40] <XXCoder> oops enleth
[16:47:52] <enleth> Encxapsulation: actually that *is* weird, with the difference so big
[16:48:39] <enleth> work area is whenever the tool can reach, so it's obviously smaller than the table size
[16:49:00] <enleth> but this workpiece size given for this machine doesn't seem justified
[16:50:31] <XXCoder> it looks like its using adoptor plate
[16:51:00] <XXCoder> it is.
[16:51:19] <XXCoder> weird. I wonder if it means it uses same Z carrage as mine
[16:51:55] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: Effective working travel:: 580(X)mm*480(Y)mm*65(Z)mm
[16:52:01] * Encxapsulation is so confused
[16:52:06] <XXCoder> Work table dimension:: 750mm*480mm*20mm
[16:52:07] <Encxapsulation> effective working travel is great for my application
[16:52:11] <Encxapsulation> but max workpiece idnension way too small
[16:52:23] <XXCoder> where did you get that much smaller one?
[16:52:30] <XXCoder> it may be because discription is copy pasted
[16:52:33] <Encxapsulation> thats the size of the tslot table
[16:52:45] <Encxapsulation> 4th line
[16:52:45] <XXCoder> see above
[16:52:49] <Encxapsulation> in technical paramas
[16:52:51] <XXCoder> effectice travel size
[16:52:53] <Encxapsulation> is where I found the small one
[16:53:03] <Encxapsulation> " Max.workpiece dimension:
[16:53:03] <Encxapsulation>
[16:53:03] <Encxapsulation> 200mm*240mm<90mm "
[16:53:15] <Encxapsulation> so it can't mill a 19" rackmount faceplate??
[16:53:27] <Encxapsulation> even though the working travel is higher?
[16:53:34] <Encxapsulation> thats what I'm not understanding
[16:53:44] <Encxapsulation> workpiece dimension vs working travel
[16:53:47] <XXCoder> lemme look at mine a second
[16:53:48] <Encxapsulation> I would think they woul dbe the same
[16:53:50] <Encxapsulation> ok
[16:54:02] <XXCoder> dammit cant login
[16:54:11] <XXCoder> aliexpress broke their certificion
[16:55:02] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3040-CNC-aluminium-alloy-Frame-ball-screw-with-43mm-Neck-Spindle-Mount/32440067557.html
[16:57:04] <Encxapsulation> that looks like something different
[16:57:11] <XXCoder> it is
[16:57:22] <XXCoder> but check out machine size and effective workspace
[16:58:24] <Encxapsulation> all the numbers are totally made up
[16:58:25] <Encxapsulation> on the 6040
[16:58:27] <Encxapsulation> wtf
[16:58:33] <XXCoder> check this out Effective working travel:: 580(X)mm*480(Y)mm*65(Z)mm on yours
[16:58:36] <Encxapsulation> work table larger than machine size
[16:58:43] <Encxapsulation> working travel double what workpiece size is
[16:58:45] <Encxapsulation> this makesno sense
[16:58:48] <XXCoder> I suspect that is actually real workspace
[16:59:07] <XXCoder> your machine size is Work table dimension:: 750mm*480mm*20mm
[16:59:14] <XXCoder> I suspect they messed up
[16:59:40] <Encxapsulation> so the actual workspace is the working travel area,
[16:59:40] <Encxapsulation>
[16:59:40] <Encxapsulation> 580(X)mm*480(Y)mm*65(Z)mm
[16:59:43] <Deejay> gn8
[16:59:45] <Encxapsulation> gn
[17:00:38] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: that machine has smaller workspace size than mine
[17:00:53] <XXCoder> I suspect they messed up on max workpeice
[17:01:29] <Encxapsulation> what is your workspace?
[17:01:42] <Encxapsulation> ok so max workpiece probablyt isnt that small
[17:02:25] <Encxapsulation> I tried to click contact seller, all in chinese though
[17:02:35] <XXCoder> my machine Y length is 300mm but Y carrage limits it to around 240mm
[17:02:47] <XXCoder> X is around 400mm effective
[17:03:08] <XXCoder> it could be more if I changed gantry to "lean back" so theres no wasted space
[17:03:24] <XXCoder> more than 400mm actually but imprecise here
[17:03:43] <Encxapsulation> ic
[17:03:59] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: there is some wasted space because spindle is on front, it overhangs on one side and cant reach small area at other side
[17:04:18] <XXCoder> you can use that wasted space by creative clamping
[17:05:15] <Encxapsulation> 580(X)mm*480(Y)mm*65(Z)mm so this is my true work area?
[17:05:20] <Encxapsulation> for my panels
[17:05:50] <XXCoder> lemme check a second
[17:06:13] <CaptHindsight> "Anyone can suggest hot to utilize raspberry pi3 for linuxcnc?"
[17:06:40] <XXCoder> you mean not?
[17:06:59] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: I'd guess less than that
[17:07:01] <CaptHindsight> not my words, it's from the ML
[17:07:03] <XXCoder> just not that tiny
[17:07:46] <XXCoder> what size you needed?
[17:11:44] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: small picture, but this shows one of upgrades you can do in order to increase workspace. http://img2.everychina.com/img/83/84/5b0dd8f1e058491c9a59b7000193-250x250c1-6695/mini_cnc_router_machine_wood_cutting_machine_usb_cnc_engraver_3040.jpg
[17:11:48] <XXCoder> notice the gantry
[17:19:41] <somenewguy> hey guys! I found some free machines that I kinda really want to take home but I dunno if I have the space and ability to carry them
[17:19:56] <somenewguy> I can't find any info online so I am wondering if anyone here is familia with them
[17:20:02] <XXCoder> send em to me ;)
[17:20:16] <somenewguy> one is a router, the other a digitizer
[17:20:21] <somenewguy> made by "DAC"
[17:20:52] <somenewguy> the router would be awesome as a dedicated PCB mill, then I can "downgrade" my current minimill to a slower motor so I can work w/ steel easier
[17:21:14] <somenewguy> I just got a 1 hp dc motor (also form the trash) last week to slow it down, so the timing isp erfect
[17:21:19] <somenewguy> however I can't find any info about DAC
[17:23:02] <XXCoder> any pics?
[17:23:11] <XXCoder> someone might reconize machine but not name
[17:27:06] <somenewguy> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/zip/5595567119.html
[17:27:51] <Encxapsulation> XXCoder, I need 12x12"
[17:28:59] <XXCoder> lemme convert that to mm
[17:29:08] <XXCoder> thats 304mm
[17:29:26] <XXCoder> you has 100mm room on x, y
[17:29:31] <XXCoder> you can do it fine
[17:33:03] <Encxapsulation> ok
[17:33:10] <Encxapsulation> so the max workpiece is a mistake on te page
[17:33:20] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:33:33] <XXCoder> or they included "room" for clamps. dunno
[17:33:41] <malcom2073> somenewguy: Jump on tht
[17:33:42] <malcom2073> that*
[17:33:45] <XXCoder> 300x300 my machine can almost do that
[17:34:07] <XXCoder> Y axis max is 290 mm if I recall right on my machine
[17:34:39] <XXCoder> somenewguy: thats large. scrap rate is worth that, if nothing else is
[17:34:50] <somenewguy> yeah thats my thinking
[17:35:01] <somenewguy> no clue how heavy it might be, so I emailed the guy
[17:35:23] <somenewguy> moving it could be a challenge, all I got is my bus for hauling stuff, that would be two long trips to get both
[17:35:46] <somenewguy> the bright side is if I bring it home it motivates me to throw away some "nice to haves" I have been letting take up room in the basement
[17:35:50] <malcom2073> Got a truck? Go rent a trailer
[17:36:14] <malcom2073> That looks kinda like a granite top though....
[17:36:23] <XXCoder> malcom2073: CMM have it for sure.
[17:36:32] <XXCoder> need to have good Surface for that.
[17:36:45] <malcom2073> Gonna be weighty
[17:36:55] <somenewguy> malcom2073: yeah it looks like it, but i doubt it
[17:37:07] <somenewguy> but at the same time its clearly partof the machine, so i dont think its gonna be particle board either
[17:37:17] <XXCoder> somenewguy: CMM pretty much always have Surface. it must be very flat for accuracy
[17:37:23] <somenewguy> imagining old school class room table type material, and that stuff is almost as heavy as stone
[17:37:24] <malcom2073> somenewguy: XXCoder has a point: if it has a real CMM, that *is* a granite block
[17:37:52] <somenewguy> the fact the mfr doesn't turn mcu hup except for some optics guys, I suspect its a cheap import, BUT still way better than what I got
[17:37:58] <somenewguy> if I can move it I think I'm gonna get it
[17:38:08] <malcom2073> Go check it out at the very least
[17:38:11] <malcom2073> the price is right heh
[17:38:22] <somenewguy> lol yeah, its just a 2 hour drive each way
[17:38:24] <malcom2073> If that was near me I'd be all over that
[17:38:58] <XXCoder> hopefully not literally lol
[17:39:15] <malcom2073> only if it falls on me
[18:03:51] <Encxapsulation> ok
[18:03:58] <Encxapsulation> this is going ot be big... need to prepare my psyche
[18:04:26] <malcom2073> dooo eeetttt
[18:04:37] <malcom2073> Or yanno, could wait for a sale
[18:06:36] <Encxapsulation> its on sale now
[18:06:41] <Encxapsulation> I've never seen it this low
[18:06:49] <Encxapsulation> and a free clamp
[18:06:52] <malcom2073> oooo clamps!
[18:06:59] <XXCoder> yeah I want that clamp bahhhh
[18:07:01] <djdelorie> push the button already! ;-)
[18:07:06] <malcom2073> http://i.imgur.com/fD5R7Xj.gif
[18:07:21] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: glad youy didnt make a mistake and buy that 43mm clamp router
[18:07:33] <XXCoder> machine is fine, but 43mm dont have any real spindles :P
[18:08:24] <floppydisk-ph> Which one is it?
[18:08:53] <Encxapsulation> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html
[18:09:03] <Encxapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maker-Select-3D-Printer-v2-/371470101381
[18:09:06] <Encxapsulation> those are my choices
[18:09:27] <Encxapsulation> XXCoder, yeah 43mm wouldnt hjave worked
[18:09:46] <malcom2073> Heh, have fun with that printer...
[18:10:33] <somenewguy> roomate will be pleased as punch when I show up with these!
[18:10:51] <malcom2073> Haha, roomate into that sort of stuff?
[18:13:38] <XXCoder> hopefully not THAT into
[18:13:56] <somenewguy> no, all the robosexuals live in chicago best I can tell
[18:13:57] <malcom2073> Hah
[18:18:31] <Encxapsulation> lol
[19:04:40] <sidewalker> Anyone has a protip for a small mill?
[19:05:17] <sidewalker> Small, as in i have in total 9meters of alu profile to use.
[19:05:27] <sidewalker> that's my limit
[19:05:45] <sidewalker> in 1.5m lenghts
[19:17:14] <Encxapsulation> I got the 3d printer!!! preparing for cnc.
[19:17:17] <Encxapsulation> this is heavy.
[19:18:33] <Encxapsulation> never sent htis much money to china, nervous
[19:22:49] <enleth> aliexpress does have a working escrow system
[19:26:22] <Encxapsulation> the price seems too good to be true
[19:26:26] <Encxapsulation> I cant even find it in a search anymore
[19:26:28] <Encxapsulation> I just have that link
[19:27:27] <malcom2073> They sell them for random prices. Same hardware goes for $1000-$2000, since people will often buy without searching around
[19:30:17] <enleth> Encxapsulation: FYI the money is kept by AliExpress until you confirm that everything's OK or something like 60 days passes without your complaint
[19:30:42] <Encxapsulation> oh ok that doesnt sound too bad
[19:30:53] <enleth> There actually are people who try to scam the Chinese and supposedly it works, but don't do that, that's called being a dick
[19:31:10] <Encxapsulation> I still cant explain why sorting by lowest price this link doesnt show up anymore, but the price is nice
[19:31:16] <Encxapsulation> yeah I don't scam ppl
[19:31:18] <enleth> Like, they ask for refunds when the goods were just fine
[19:31:25] <enleth> And they get their money back
[19:31:56] <enleth> AliExpress prefers to decide in favof of the buyers most of the time for the sake of reputation
[19:32:00] <enleth> *favor
[19:32:25] <malcom2073> I like their escrow system: It saved me from beign scammed once already
[19:34:02] <Encxapsulation> I got scammed that way on amazon as a seller
[19:34:06] <Encxapsulation> and ebay actually
[19:34:09] <Encxapsulation> so I know what you mean
[19:35:04] <malcom2073> yeah being a seller sucks
[19:39:31] <XXCoder> sidewalker: start slow, learn ins and outs :)
[19:41:07] <sidewalker> Low meaning? =D
[19:42:13] <malcom2073> Wait, you asking about protips on how to design one, how to build one, or how to use one?
[19:42:22] <malcom2073> You're not going to make a mill with aluminum profile, you can do a router though
[19:43:04] <XXCoder> malcom2073: heh yeah I bought 3d printer and projector for way too low price. I suspected scammer but ya know, eschow.
[19:43:15] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Yeah I got on the same deal as you :-P
[19:43:20] <malcom2073> I remember you doing that too
[19:43:32] <XXCoder> indeed. too bad lol.
[19:43:38] <malcom2073> Would've been cool
[19:43:52] <XXCoder> it was fairly poor reviewed model but ya know, price so low I can easily fix it up and have great printer.
[19:44:11] <sidewalker> hm
[19:44:12] <enleth> The scammer must have been an idiot trying to do that on Ali
[19:44:16] <sidewalker> Do i have the names wrong
[19:44:41] <malcom2073> enleth: They're banking on people trusting them when they say "I'll refund you part of your shipping", which basically invalidates the escrow
[19:44:43] <malcom2073> it's sneaky
[19:45:09] <XXCoder> indeed, I told em "I dont care about shipping, just send it"
[19:45:14] <sidewalker> Uhm
[19:45:33] <XXCoder> I knew that partial refund would mean i get nothing
[19:45:41] <malcom2073> Yeah, I'll bet a lot of people don't know that
[19:46:29] <XXCoder> btw Encxapsulation good tip, if they ask file a distute for partial shipping, dont accept. they might be trying to scam you
[19:46:55] <Encxapsulation> I cant even buy anything
[19:46:57] <Encxapsulation> this website sucks
[19:47:00] <sidewalker> :o
[19:47:01] <Encxapsulation> my cart is invisible
[19:47:29] <XXCoder> aliexpress seem to be partially broken now
[19:47:32] <XXCoder> I cant login
[19:47:33] <Encxapsulation> I literally cannot seem to purchase
[19:47:37] <sidewalker> :o
[19:47:40] <Encxapsulation> =\
[19:47:50] <sidewalker> I tried to purchase CF-tubes a week or two ago
[19:48:01] <sidewalker> ... no response from the shop
[19:48:10] <sidewalker> today i can see other people bought stuff the same date
[19:48:12] <malcom2073> sidewalker, I asked you a question :P
[19:48:19] <sidewalker> did i not answeR?
[19:48:49] <malcom2073> Not that I understood, what are you trying to do?
[19:48:53] <sidewalker> Oh
[19:48:54] <malcom2073> design, build, or use?
[19:48:58] <sidewalker> build
[19:49:04] <malcom2073> From which design?
[19:49:12] <sidewalker> something medium/small
[19:49:15] <sidewalker> =D
[19:49:42] <sidewalker> I was asked if i could produce an item today, and I lack a router/mill.. what ever the name is =D
[19:49:45] <malcom2073> Ah, so you're looking for a design, but you already have some hardware? Gonna be tough to find a design that matches the hardware you already bought exactly
[19:49:52] <sidewalker> i have some HW yes
[19:50:07] <sidewalker> Well, you can scale most designs =D
[19:50:13] <sidewalker> even if it's not optimal
[19:50:25] <malcom2073> Designing and building a router is a hobby in and of itself fwiw
[19:50:29] <XXCoder> sidewalker: very basic idea, mill have cubic work space
[19:50:41] <XXCoder> sidewalker: router is basically wide and long but low height limit
[19:50:52] <malcom2073> mills are typically more sturdy due to the smaller workspace and significantly higher mass
[19:50:54] <sidewalker> I'm still pre University studies.. so consider me a retards
[19:50:55] <sidewalker> -s
[19:51:10] <XXCoder> sidewalker: so what do you wanna make?
[19:51:20] <sidewalker> low height
[19:51:31] <XXCoder> cnc router it is
[19:51:32] <sidewalker> router sounds about right
[19:51:34] <sidewalker> ;D
[19:51:40] <malcom2073> routers cut things out of sheets of plywood, MDF, etc. Mills cut thigns out of blocks
[19:51:43] <sidewalker> WOop yes
[19:51:44] <sidewalker> that's it
[19:51:46] <XXCoder> its actually simplier I think, to make roter
[19:51:54] <malcom2073> Routers are much more practical to build
[19:51:55] <sidewalker> I need something to cut Alu tho
[19:52:08] <XXCoder> routers can do that, with good rigidity
[19:52:12] <sidewalker> Sweet
[19:52:21] <XXCoder> some people made routers from MDF that can cut alum
[19:52:26] <malcom2073> You'll be able to do light aluminum work with most routers, if you need to do anything heavy (like 1/2" sheet), you need something beefier heh
[19:52:27] <sidewalker> =D
[19:52:40] <sidewalker> I have some Openbuilds C-beam
[19:52:44] <XXCoder> malcom2073: or very boxy style. very strong
[19:52:53] <sidewalker> not alot.. but in my eyes, enough for a small router
[19:53:14] <malcom2073> cbeam isn't terrible stuff
[19:53:30] <djdelorie> sidewalker: have you looked at the openbuild projects then?
[19:53:38] <sidewalker> skimmed throus ome
[19:53:39] <sidewalker> some*
[19:53:46] <sidewalker> But i'm no pro router maker
[19:53:52] <sidewalker> I made two 3D-printers so far
[19:54:12] <XXCoder> it does have to be more beefy than 3d printers due to that side load
[19:54:18] <djdelorie> neither was I until I made one :-) http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_3080.html
[19:54:30] <djdelorie> (although one could argue I still am not :)
[19:54:52] <Encxapsulation> XXCoder, "Your account is temporarily unavailable." you get this?
[19:55:38] <malcom2073> sidewalker: That's good, then you understand the concept of cnc motion
[19:55:45] <malcom2073> Now, you get to learn about cnc motion under load :)
[19:55:58] <Encxapsulation> sidewalker, you probably need the same machine I do
[19:56:00] <malcom2073> But yeah browse the openbuild projects, see how others have done it and learn from them
[19:57:22] <sidewalker> Encxapsulation, :D
[20:02:50] <sidewalker> Router is what i'm after
[20:05:59] <Encxapsulation> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html
[20:06:02] <Encxapsulation> there yuo go sidewalker
[20:08:32] <sidewalker> Encxapsulation, haha i got that page in russian. :D can't read
[20:12:07] <sidewalker> found the lang button!
[20:12:33] <Encxapsulation> =D
[20:14:33] <LeelooMinai> So, I am still playing with my CNC today, and I wonder: what torque in Nm would you recommend for M6x1 screws in aluminum?
[20:14:40] <LeelooMinai> I see charts like this: http://www.wtools.com.tw/STANDARD-BOLT-TIGHTENING-TORQUE.shtml
[20:14:58] <LeelooMinai> But, the range there is kind of huge...
[20:22:23] <sidewalker> :D
[20:22:29] <sidewalker> test one bolt
[20:22:32] <sidewalker> overtighten it
[20:22:36] <sidewalker> then don't do the same ot the rest
[20:25:07] <LeelooMinai> Right, well, I would rather apply same torque to them all.
[20:25:11] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: no, but I have certificle error
[20:25:25] <XXCoder> which is supectous. change password when its working
[20:25:52] <LeelooMinai> Since I am in the process of aligning everything and it seems prudent to have all the screws screwed with the same torque.
[20:26:33] <LeelooMinai> So if I need to adjust something, I can screw them back the same way:)
[20:26:33] <sidewalker> meh
[20:26:47] <sidewalker> I never ever use the same torque
[20:26:55] <sidewalker> I mean
[20:26:58] <sidewalker> how could it
[20:27:08] <sidewalker> It's all feeling ;)
[20:27:34] <LeelooMinai> Right, also, I guess I don't want to ruin rather fragile aluminum taping...
[20:27:42] <sidewalker> well
[20:28:21] <sidewalker> I'm usualy destroying the screwhead before tha tap
[20:28:41] <sidewalker> use a slightly too small / large driver
[20:28:45] <LeelooMinai> I think that would be difficult for steel screws in aluminum, no?
[20:28:53] <sidewalker> =D
[20:29:10] <sidewalker> Can't tell really, I used to work demolition
[20:29:18] <LeelooMinai> lol
[20:29:59] <sidewalker> FORCE == money
[20:30:05] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe consistency is enough... I will dial 9Nm and see...
[20:30:18] <sidewalker> Tools was for sissies
[20:30:35] <sidewalker> kinda.. why i left :D
[20:30:47] <sidewalker> broke my back, hands.. etc more than once.
[20:32:29] <Encxapsulation> I'm going to do it... I'm going to order
[20:33:01] <sidewalker> The one you linked?
[20:33:14] <Encxapsulation> yes
[20:33:17] <Encxapsulation> its in cart
[20:33:21] <Encxapsulation> I'm staring at it
[20:33:27] <Encxapsulation> I like the price
[20:33:32] <Encxapsulation> the z travel//clearance a little short
[20:33:37] <Encxapsulation> ]but not worth spending 3x more
[20:33:42] <Encxapsulation> it will do whay I need right now
[20:33:48] <sidewalker> but
[20:33:48] <jdh> uh huh
[20:33:51] <Encxapsulation> shoiuld make pcb no problem, engrave and route my control panels
[20:33:53] <sidewalker> 3x??
[20:34:03] <Encxapsulation> sidewalker, other options for more money
[20:34:04] <sidewalker> OK well you have a purpose
[20:34:06] <Encxapsulation> yes
[20:34:15] <sidewalker> My purpopse is to build it.. use it
[20:34:21] <sidewalker> BUILD == main purpose
[20:34:26] <Encxapsulation> =D
[20:34:30] <Encxapsulation> you should use hg-20 then
[20:34:43] <sidewalker> the more difficult it is the better really.
[20:43:15] <Encxapsulation> 1/8" 2 flute bit for routing my aluminum?
[20:43:18] <Encxapsulation> 1.5mm thick
[20:43:33] <Encxapsulation> going to ask the chinese for free bits maybe it will happen
[20:43:38] <Encxapsulation> or maybe they will misunderstand and charge me
[20:43:40] <Encxapsulation> either way I need thenm
[20:43:59] <XXCoder> with right ipm and rpm likely fine
[20:44:56] <Encxapsulation> I'm asking them for a 1/8" 2 flute endmill for aluminum + pcb cutters + collet set
[20:45:17] <Encxapsulation> 3-7 day delivery free from china sounds hard to believe
[20:45:22] <Encxapsulation> + 7 day processing
[20:45:30] <XXCoder> got link to one youre buying again?
[20:45:40] <Encxapsulation> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html
[20:46:04] <XXCoder> some companies send some over and be ready
[20:46:55] <sidewalker> $1k seems ..
[20:47:12] <Encxapsulation> it looks like it includes the pcb + flat end and ball end mill
[20:47:14] <Encxapsulation> and a collet
[20:47:14] <sidewalker> cheap. but not too cheap
[20:47:26] <Encxapsulation> its a lot of money... but I think its a decent product
[20:47:28] <malcom2073> sidewalker: It's a good price, you probably can't build it for that price
[20:47:32] <malcom2073> not new at least
[20:47:34] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: and touch off pad
[20:47:53] <XXCoder> and of course that almighty vice
[20:47:55] <malcom2073> Granted it's kinda crappy in absolute terms
[20:48:00] <sidewalker> Mhm, probably not =D but i'd go bigger
[20:48:02] <malcom2073> But relativly, it's not bad for thatp rice range
[20:48:34] <malcom2073> sidewalker: I've been buying used linear actuators off ebay (ballscrew, square rails, all in a housing), and using them to make stuff
[20:48:40] <malcom2073> You can pick them up dirt cheap
[20:48:45] <sidewalker> Saw one..
[20:48:46] <sidewalker> here
[20:48:48] <sidewalker> "close
[20:48:49] <sidewalker> "
[20:48:58] <sidewalker> but it was.. a package of 1TON
[20:48:58] <Encxapsulation> I figure I can buy this for my routing work and if I want to get into milling parts I can buy a mill with the money I'm saving now
[20:49:00] <sidewalker> for free
[20:49:03] <sidewalker> "free"
[20:49:09] <malcom2073> Lol I don't mean *that* big :-P
[20:49:15] <sidewalker> =D
[20:49:29] <malcom2073> I got a 24" one that I'm working on getting into a router right now, should be beefy enough to cut aluminum
[20:49:36] <sidewalker> Could probably take it.. but :D would take up alot of spare time
[20:49:52] <sidewalker> Need to "study" aswell.. :D
[20:50:42] <sidewalker> Almost forgot..
[20:50:45] <sidewalker> I have kids
[20:51:55] <malcom2073> Me too, I don't get much work done on my machines heh
[20:53:06] <sidewalker> https://www.blocket.se/orebro/Def_avsyningsutr__linjarlager__motorer_mm_65895036.htm?ca=16&w=3&last=1
[20:53:08] <sidewalker> free stuff
[20:53:36] <malcom2073> nice!
[20:53:52] <malcom2073> Don't see that sort of free stuff around here often heh
[20:54:23] <sidewalker> Hehe
[20:54:25] <sidewalker> WELL
[20:54:32] <sidewalker> It doesn't fit in my car
[20:54:41] <sidewalker> I'd pick it up in an instant if I could..
[20:55:35] <sidewalker> But it looks fairly big
[20:56:46] <sidewalker> Could use the frame on the 5th pic for something fun
[20:56:50] <sidewalker> looks rigid
[20:57:34] <malcom2073> Can't tell if it's tube or jsut bent sheet metal
[20:58:02] <sidewalker> Doesn't look like bent sheet metal to me on the 5th pic
[20:58:06] <sidewalker> not the black parts
[20:58:21] <sidewalker> Looks like welded tubes
[20:58:24] <malcom2073> Yeah that part does
[20:58:29] <malcom2073> Be agood table base
[20:58:41] <sidewalker> mye
[20:58:45] <XXCoder> cant tell what it is
[20:58:47] <minibnz> hi all, i have a mesa 6i24 card on order, should arrive in the next few days, now i just looked at the documentation for linixcnc and i dont actuall see my card listed, i see in the docs for my card i can load 5i24 firmware and it will be 5i25 compatible.. (their mistake 24/25) can any one tell me if i have ordered the wrong card.. with the mistake in their docc's and not seeing my card number in the linuxcnc docs i am not certain it wil
[20:58:47] <minibnz> l work... i guess the worst case will be that i have to write my own firmware for the fpga.
[20:59:11] <sidewalker> I could call and ask
[20:59:18] <XXCoder> www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-CNC-milling-machine-tool-Bench-clamp-Jaw-mini-table-vice-plain-vice-QGG/32297542365.html found it
[20:59:26] <sidewalker> But.. really :D
[20:59:34] <sidewalker> Picking it up is the issue
[20:59:42] <XXCoder> yeah looks VERY cheap
[20:59:51] <XXCoder> but decent for low clearance I suppose
[20:59:56] <XXCoder> and light use
[21:00:53] <minibnz> the vice i have at the moment is far too tall for my mill.. its a swivveling vice, and to date i have not used the swivveling function on it.. except to square it up, cuz you have to...
[21:01:32] <XXCoder> managed to find cheaper one http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Plastic-Vice-Dedicated-Mini-6-in-1-Multipurpose-Machine-Woodturning-Machine-Accessary-Free-Shipping/2046912669.html
[21:01:37] <XXCoder> plastic lol
[21:01:57] <minibnz> heheheheh
[21:02:07] <XXCoder> thopugh it can be effective for light use
[21:03:38] <Encxapsulation> wait
[21:03:40] <Encxapsulation> I was about to order
[21:03:41] <minibnz> i made a small motorized clamp/vice for my mill, i plan to use it in congunction with my dividing head, when i have a large disc that i need to slot, i need to support to outter edge to cut slots into the disc,
[21:03:47] <Encxapsulation> what is this: "Import duties, taxes and other customs related charges are not included. Buyers bear all responsibility for all extra charges incurred (if any).
[21:03:47] <Encxapsulation> "
[21:03:57] <XXCoder> usa has no imports
[21:04:04] <XXCoder> customs that is
[21:04:08] <Encxapsulation> so I wont be burned with a higher price?
[21:04:09] <malcom2073> Uh, heh
[21:04:10] <malcom2073> yeah it does
[21:04:11] <Encxapsulation> whay i see is the real price?
[21:04:21] <XXCoder> malcom2073: not unless you make HUGE order
[21:04:23] <malcom2073> The shipping company will typically pay it if it's below a certain value andsend you a bill.
[21:04:40] <Encxapsulation> are we talking less than 100?
[21:04:47] <malcom2073> Depends on how much the seller lists its value as
[21:04:49] <XXCoder> less than thousands
[21:04:54] <malcom2073> Or if they list it as a gift (which needs no import)
[21:05:03] <malcom2073> But yeah, typically a couple percent
[21:05:22] <sidewalker> 25% here
[21:05:29] <XXCoder> malcom2073: so far I never had any import duties, and I have ordered massive stuff before
[21:05:30] <sidewalker> 25%+fee
[21:05:40] <XXCoder> largest is my cnc rputer at $600
[21:05:41] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Then they listed it as a gift
[21:05:44] <sidewalker> typical. 25%+15$ fee
[21:06:25] <sidewalker> you lucky mericans
[21:06:35] <XXCoder> "MPF on formal entries (for imports of goods valued over US$2500) is set at 0.3464% of the value of the goods with a minimum charge of US$25 and a maximum of US$485."
[21:06:41] <malcom2073> $600 is tiny fwiw, but I've had to pay for $15 before which was like, 20 cents? I forget exactly
[21:06:44] <XXCoder> yeah I never went over 2500
[21:07:10] <XXCoder> malcom2073: then someone is ripping you poff
[21:07:31] <XXCoder> or it may be state local law
[21:07:42] <LeelooMinai> I think it also depend on the postal service. I think DHL is notorious for ending up with the buyer paying duities.
[21:07:46] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Customs and Border Protection
[21:07:47] <sidewalker> so strange being an ameircan with state lawas
[21:07:49] <sidewalker> LAWS*
[21:07:50] <Encxapsulation> .34% tax?
[21:07:52] <malcom2073> Would be the ones ripping me off heh
[21:08:00] <XXCoder> malcom2073: "Duty and taxes are not charged if the value of the imported goods is up to US$800."
[21:08:04] <Encxapsulation> so only 4 dollars??
[21:08:09] <Encxapsulation> I'ts in my card
[21:08:12] <Encxapsulation> I'm about to hit order
[21:08:16] <Encxapsulation> but I dont want it to cost hundreds more
[21:08:17] <XXCoder> malcom2073: so yeah someone is ripping you off on customs
[21:08:41] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I don't know where you're getting your information, but you're wrong :)
[21:09:18] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I have never been charged customs. ever.
[21:09:28] <XXCoder> and I have ordered from tons of countries
[21:09:29] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Good for you. Anecdotal evidence is no kind of evidence at all
[21:09:46] <XXCoder> malcom2073: thats about "I heard from..."
[21:09:49] <malcom2073> A lot of themcheck the "gift" box so they don't have to pay export either.
[21:09:51] <XXCoder> mine is direct experence.
[21:10:08] <XXCoder> malcom2073: never saw any checked gift either
[21:10:13] <malcom2073> no, that's personal experience.
[21:10:15] <XXCoder> its always been goods and mech
[21:10:26] <malcom2073> Anyway, no reason to argue about it
[21:10:37] <XXCoder> if I see one marked gift I never order from that person again and report it
[21:10:49] <XXCoder> happened only 2 times
[21:10:50] <Encxapsulation> =\
[21:10:57] <malcom2073> See it marked gift? You don't see the duty paperwork unless you actually go to the CBP office and request it....
[21:11:03] <malcom2073> I'm not talking about the USPS import ticket
[21:11:14] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: Er, why?
[21:11:39] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: because if it was lost, I am out my goods
[21:11:42] <malcom2073> Anywho, carry on with whatever you're doing that lets you avoid paying import duties :)
[21:12:37] <minibnz> a little while back the AU govt got the online tax level dropped from $200au down to $20au to try and allow local shops to compete with online imports.
[21:12:37] <minibnz> its rude the markup that the local resellers put on things. like arduino parts $30au retail $18au +postage($6.5au) for local ebay stockists and $4.5au from china including postage
[21:13:40] <minibnz> most things i get are maked as gift by the other end by default, so i havn't been hit with it yet...
[21:15:39] <minibnz> i just dont see why the local stockists are that greedy.. its like they cannot afford to take the risks. i see how they get the name thee bay of thieves..
[21:16:51] <malcom2073> Selling things online is such a slim margin game nowadays
[21:17:14] <XXCoder> one of reasons I left selling lego parts market
[21:17:19] <XXCoder> I used to make good money
[21:17:41] <enleth> selling anything that isn't luxyry goods or industrial stuff is slim margins
[21:17:43] <XXCoder> I think I shipped to 25 or more different countries. fun
[21:17:58] <enleth> *luxury
[21:18:00] <malcom2073> i've started to get into buying things at small auctions and reselling online, but even that is getting tricky, too many others doing it
[21:18:21] <XXCoder> I loved micromarket 101
[21:18:27] <XXCoder> that class was surpising fun
[21:19:27] <Encxapsulation> bank doesnt like china
[21:19:31] <Encxapsulation> will have to call tomorrow
[21:19:32] <minibnz> i just dont understand how the local sellers think they are going to get anywhere reselling the chineese parts at such a high markup 5-10x than chineese sellers, that are also selling on the same market..
[21:19:38] <Encxapsulation> maybe its a sign
[21:20:20] <XXCoder> malcom2073: https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/internet-purchases
[21:20:34] <XXCoder> "Many import regulations only apply to goods imported for commercial - business or resale - purposes."
[21:21:01] <XXCoder> they are authorized to make judgement on if its personal or not though
[21:21:09] <minibnz> so would 100 PIR motion detectors be still classed as personal use?
[21:21:14] <Encxapsulation> xD
[21:21:14] <Encxapsulation> ok
[21:21:25] <Encxapsulation> it wouldnt let me buy it anyway so for now I wait
[21:21:28] <minibnz> i just have a habbit i swear...
[21:21:39] <Encxapsulation> its auto flagging as suspicious or something
[21:21:54] <Encxapsulation> I'll return tomorrow and sleep on the decision
[21:22:22] <XXCoder> Encxapsulation: youre likely to be good. they are unlikely to decide small router is for commerical, they didnt in mny case
[21:22:32] <Encxapsulation> hopefiully they dont
[21:22:34] <minibnz> yeah if you try a out of hours transfer that is out of character my bank should flag that as susspicious.. especcially if its a first time transaction.
[21:23:22] <enleth> Encxapsulation: as in, your bank is flagging it and declining payment?
[21:23:26] <Encxapsulation> yeah
[21:23:28] <enleth> Encxapsulation: call them
[21:23:48] <Encxapsulation> I'm going to call in the morning, one more night to be sure and tired anyway
[21:23:56] <Encxapsulation> back tomorrow
[21:32:46] <CaptHindsight> rrrrrrrrrrrr fresh hammers
[21:32:58] <XXCoder> stop!
[21:33:00] <XXCoder> hammertime
[21:33:06] <malcom2073> can't touch this
[21:34:00] <CaptHindsight> (=) (=) some spare outlets for you to poke into
[21:37:16] <enleth> Do you have this funny feeling when watching welding videos that the arc sort of kind of blinds you, because you know it should if it were real, even though it's just a plain white spot on the screen?
[21:37:47] <XXCoder> same thing for sun videos
[21:38:43] <enleth> A fullscreen white background is just white, but a small spot of the very same white in a welding video is convincing enough to make one squint a little at first.
[21:55:41] <XXCoder> space is big. http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
[21:55:44] <XXCoder> hey pink
[22:16:18] <minibnz> oh man... 8gb of downloads to create a firmware for a mesa card... dang.. thats gonna take some time..
[22:26:33] <minibnz> actually thats the IDE to create the bit files for a mesa card. the actual firmware is much smaller..
[22:27:10] <minibnz> but still thats going to require a VM on my desktop, i dont have 8gb spare on the mill or anywhere enough power to compile the firmware..
[22:28:29] <minibnz> the celeron that runs the mill would take a day to compile it.. the desktop might only take an hour or three..
[22:51:49] <pcw_home> most of the firmware will compile in a few minutes on a semi-ancient desktop (say 5 minutes on a Core2 Duo)
[22:53:46] <LeelooMinai> hmm, Why does minibnz to synthesize it though? Are there some reasons for it, instead of just uploading the current bitstream?
[22:53:54] <LeelooMinai> need to*
[22:54:08] <minibnz> oh i saw a link where a dude said it takes 75mins on his i3..
[22:54:11] <pcw_home> only if you need a custom bitfile
[22:54:34] <minibnz> i think i need a custom bitfile to siut my 6i24.
[22:54:40] <pcw_home> he may have pessimal settings
[22:55:11] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: I have Mesa 6xxx + 7i76 that was sitting there for a year or so - should I take time to update firmware on it or it's ok?
[22:55:30] <pcw_home> no need to update
[22:55:34] <LeelooMinai> A, ok
[22:55:36] <minibnz> the docs are a little confusing.. it says that i can load"5i24 firmware and it will be 5i25 compatible" exact words from the docs. i hope its just a typo but am preprairing for the worst..
[22:56:05] <pcw_home> copy pasta error, you can use all the 5I24 firmware
[22:56:14] <minibnz> that and i like to know whats going on.. and a working FPGA will be fun to learn with.
[22:56:30] <pcw_home> so its unlikely you need custom firmware
[22:56:47] <minibnz> i might impement a module to read the igrizzly capactive scales/readouts.
[22:56:54] <minibnz> implement.
[22:57:06] <LeelooMinai> minibnz: For playing with FPGA I would use dev board, not Mesa card to be honest.
[22:57:09] <minibnz> its a 1 wire protocol
[22:58:06] <minibnz> the scales themselves are not fast enought to be use in realtime but it might still be useful
[22:59:06] <pcw_home> compiling PIN_7I76x1D_51 took about 4.5 minutes on my home desktop (Core2 Duo 3.16 GHz 4G Ram Ubuntu 14.04)
[22:59:12] <minibnz> yeah i have been looking at some nive fpga's that have a arm core onboard and wondering what i would use one for. until i have a reason i have no real drive.
[23:00:09] <minibnz> ahh that was a selective compile.. i see this dude did a full compile. but i still dont have 8gb of free space on the mill.. its running a 8gb cf card as its drive.
[23:01:13] <pcw_home> well you have to be selective, there are at least 1000 possible bitfiles with the current pinouts and hardware choices
[23:01:27] <pcw_home> building them all is a bit silly
[23:02:02] <minibnz> also i am not using any standard breakout boards. so i might just write one that i fully understand.. (one day at least, will start with the default ones where i can)
[23:02:47] <pcw_home> you really only need change one file to make a custom bitfile
[23:03:01] <minibnz> custom wiring that makes my life easiest, groupings that i like. im stillnot 100% sure how configurable the PINS are so it will be a fun exercise..
[23:03:39] <minibnz> ok i might not have to do all that much after all..
[23:03:53] <pcw_home> they are completely configurable (but at compile time)
[23:04:51] <minibnz> sweet
[23:05:54] <pcw_home> what you can configure at run time is how many of each the special I/O modules are enabled
[23:05:55] <pcw_home> and GPIO pin input, output or open drain mode and output polarity
[23:06:40] <minibnz> ok sounds like i wont really have to do all that much :) thanks for the info very re-assuring.
[23:07:01] <minibnz> was starting to think i might have ordered the wrong card.
[23:07:19] <minibnz> At the time i was more worried about the pci interface than anything else.
[23:20:45] <minibnz> ahhhh toasted cheese sandwiches are so simple yet so tasty..
[23:26:21] <minibnz> that was the wrong button.. might be a bit high from the cheese toasty :)
[23:28:50] <minibnz> i have the connectors and ribbon cable ready to wire up all my bits and pieces and see if i can get a complete tool change happening. up until now i havent been able to wire up all the pins i need at once and have only tested it in blocks..
[23:30:10] <minibnz> still have to get the tool changer made from metal so it stays aligned