#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-05-17

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[00:20:43] <FloppyDisk> CaptHindsight - I want to ship some handles from china, aliexpress seller is quoting $109 for about 45lbs, you mentioned a fairly cost effective way, but I forget??
[02:14:55] <Deejay> moin
[02:17:10] <Jymmmm> hey Deejay, how goes?
[02:17:39] <Deejay> heya Jymmm :)
[02:18:14] <FloppyDisk> gn8
[02:19:05] <Deejay> nite floppy
[02:20:37] <Deejay> need to water my plants, its to dry outside :(
[08:47:54] <Polymorphism> what thickness do you use for spoilboards?
[08:47:57] <Polymorphism> for those who use them in here
[08:54:09] <jdh> 3/4"
[09:19:22] <cpresser> Polymorphism: the cheapes scrap I can get my hands on. but at least 12mm
[09:40:30] <CaptHindsight> heh, somebody just asked for specifications for a non-spec grade product
[09:41:19] <archivist> better get your mass spectrometer fired up and analyse it
[09:41:47] <SpeedEvil> Not wholly unreasonable.
[09:41:57] <SpeedEvil> Do you warrant that it is not made out of brie, for example.
[09:42:21] <CaptHindsight> basic info is listed
[09:42:22] <SpeedEvil> 'minimum reasonable' quality can vary a hell of a lot
[09:42:24] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:43:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Um, 'shitty' is a spec grade btw.
[09:43:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Slightly above 'WTF' grade.
[09:44:24] <enleth> where's that relative to "doorstop"?
[09:44:33] <Jymmm> below 'vintage'
[09:44:59] <CaptHindsight> dealing with hobbyists that actually identify themselves as makers that are starting up a new project/company/poopstarter etc are the worst
[09:45:52] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the people asking for specs don't even know what they specs mean
[09:45:54] <archivist> it is that sort of idiot I am getting asking for gears
[09:46:07] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - I mean - it's fair enough asking for special shit if you have a purchase order for $100K to sign
[09:46:12] <CaptHindsight> it's more like we want to appear to be experts
[09:46:15] <SpeedEvil> $100 - stop wasting time.
[09:46:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: IF you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle em with bullshit.
[09:46:33] <CaptHindsight> yeah this is the $100 class
[09:47:48] <CaptHindsight> archivist: we need them in metal and they should not wear but not cost too much
[09:48:11] <CaptHindsight> and they are about this big " "
[09:49:08] <CaptHindsight> "and if it works out we'll make a bunch for our indegogo project"
[09:49:23] <CaptHindsight> can you finance us as well??
[09:51:33] <archivist> CaptHindsight, actual image of the last one in http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/governor/Governor.jpg
[09:51:58] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: The amusing corrolory is that this can taken to the extreme, without the queryor actually thinking about it - can lead to the 'helper' owning all their IP
[09:53:47] <mase-tech> hi bebs
[09:53:51] <mase-tech> peps
[09:53:52] <CaptHindsight> archivist: yeah, might be the same customers :)
[09:54:32] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Any bets that the '25mm' will actually measure 25.4mm?
[09:54:37] <archivist> no tooth counts or module, please can I quote, er no
[09:55:09] <CaptHindsight> was at a trade show yesterday, all I had to mention was "Maker" to illicit laughs from the vendors
[09:55:18] <archivist> hehe
[09:57:00] <CaptHindsight> there was a "chemist" from Makerjuice as part of a presentation in front of hundreds of polymer chemists
[09:57:25] <CaptHindsight> I skipped it but from their reaction it was rather humorous
[10:06:15] <CaptHindsight> Warren Buffett Buys $1 Billion of stock in Apple, that way more than my $0 in Apple
[10:08:07] <maxcnc> hi
[10:08:16] <maxcnc> work and more work around
[10:08:35] <CaptHindsight> is it warm enough today in Germany to machine outside?
[10:10:24] <maxcnc> it is but not stable
[10:10:39] <maxcnc> shopdors closed all 4 plasmas in full head
[10:10:59] <maxcnc> we make it as warm as we like
[10:11:12] <maxcnc> by till later
[10:17:58] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: Could this be the breakthrough metal 3D printing technology we’ve all been waiting for? http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160517-new-harvard-laser-3d-printer-prints-microscopic-metal-structures-in-mid-air.html Not really.
[10:18:24] <gregcnc> you have to look really close those parts are tiny
[10:18:53] <CaptHindsight> yeah, also poor examples
[10:19:06] <CaptHindsight> they could have used a MIG to make the butterflies
[10:19:37] <gregcnc> i'm not sure it can fuse new material to existing
[10:20:49] <CaptHindsight> yes, but not so great a weld
[10:21:46] <CaptHindsight> plus who is going to pay for silver?
[10:22:07] <CaptHindsight> " a diameter of anything from <1 µm to 20 µm"
[10:22:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2016/new-harvard-laser-3d-printer-prints-microscopic-metal-structures-in-mid-air-4.jpg not very solid
[10:25:58] <_methods> heh
[10:26:01] <_methods> was just about to post that
[10:26:08] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7lSZWOJwPA
[10:26:14] <_methods> video of it
[10:27:55] <CaptHindsight> have to run but what are the applications for 1-20um diameter free form printed silver wires?
[10:28:21] <CaptHindsight> you can print them faster with inkjet on a substrate
[10:29:22] <CaptHindsight> you can print them much smaller with ion beam
[10:29:52] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
[10:29:54] <_methods> hahah
[10:30:00] <_methods> if meat eaters acted like vegans
[10:30:50] <CaptHindsight> thats great
[10:30:58] <gregcnc> lol
[10:34:23] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8?t=2m30s when he kicks her chair
[10:34:35] <gregcnc> yeah i laughed
[10:35:01] <gregcnc> http://www.wired.com/2016/05/hp-wants-give-3-d-printing-inkjet-moment/
[10:35:55] <_methods> yah i had to LOL at the chair kick
[10:36:59] <gregcnc> lack of coffee on the premises must be remedied
[10:38:10] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: HP has been working on that the past few years..
[10:38:31] <CaptHindsight> the problem with HP is that HP tends to be the only one that makes money working with HP
[10:38:49] <CaptHindsight> they say that they are working with 3rd party vendors for new materials
[10:39:23] <CaptHindsight> but lets see how much it costs to get on board or if they let you fill your own cartridges with fluids
[10:40:25] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: what they do is use inkjet to print fluids with various size particles in it
[10:40:34] <gregcnc> "to guarantee the quality of your prints we have made it impossible to buy affordable feedstock"
[10:40:38] <CaptHindsight> this gets them high solids
[10:40:55] <djdelorie> if HP did 3D the way they did inkjet, we'd get free printers but filament would be $3000 a kg and you could only use HP brand filament
[10:41:09] <CaptHindsight> but with the limited number of nozzles their print rates aren't very high
[10:41:59] <gregcnc> it will be interesting to see if they can compete
[10:42:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/29/hp-multi-jet-fusion-3d-printer/
[10:42:39] <CaptHindsight> because they are HP they will have some automatic sales
[10:43:36] <CaptHindsight> I bet that they will never offer a fast machine
[10:44:19] <CaptHindsight> a wide range of powdered materials that are glued together with UV cured ink
[10:44:31] <_methods> i'm sure this whole stratasys/makerbat debacle will keep most companies out of the "maker" arena now
[10:44:49] <_methods> not like you're ever going to make a lot on a bunch of whiny vegans
[10:45:03] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXntl3ff5tc
[10:45:12] <_methods> stratasys learned that one teh fun way
[10:45:35] <CaptHindsight> how many millions did they lose?
[10:45:42] <_methods> i hope a lot
[10:46:07] <gregcnc> they print the hole bed width in one pass
[10:46:10] <CaptHindsight> and 3D systems fired their CEO for performing similarly
[10:46:23] <_methods> should be a nice enough bloody nose to make any "real" company avoid "makers" like the plague
[10:47:22] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: we build inkjet printers 10-100x faster
[10:47:28] <djdelorie> makers want to make their tools and are willing to put up with "issues"
[10:47:45] <djdelorie> companies want to sell $$$ systems to non-makers who are willing to pay for it to "just work"
[10:48:21] <CaptHindsight> they are only at 30 million drops per second
[10:49:06] <djdelorie> have you seen the inkjets with a bazillion print heads across the full width, that print at ridiculous speeds?
[10:49:24] <CaptHindsight> we make those
[10:49:25] <gregcnc> if you own the tech and you need to sell something for 15 years I guess you leave your self some room for new models
[10:49:40] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: we use the Kyocera heads
[10:49:45] <djdelorie> sweet
[10:50:12] <Sync> idk
[10:50:25] <Sync> I never understood those saussage press 3d printers
[10:50:32] <Sync> the results usually are super shitty
[10:51:03] <djdelorie> right, you don't understand... they're for rapid prototyping, not production quality
[10:51:14] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVRDu2iiuk KYOCERA Introduces World's Fastest Drop-on-Demand Inkjet
[10:51:30] <Sync> djdelorie: for prototyping I use my dual litho 3d printer
[10:51:43] <Sync> where I actually get good surface quality
[10:51:52] <djdelorie> then you don't need a cheaper tool for that job any more
[10:54:06] <Sync> well, if I want a prototype I want reasonable mechanical properties, accuracy and surface quality to verify my design
[10:54:11] <Sync> which a saussage presser just cannot do
[10:55:02] <djdelorie> so you make yourself feel better by insulting other technologies that serve other people's purposes?
[10:56:14] <Sync> wat? I never said that, I just don't get why people think that they are worth something
[10:56:23] <djdelorie> "sausage presser"
[11:00:45] <Sync> ah right, well, if you think that is an insult, well
[11:01:10] <djdelorie> "super shitty"
[11:02:21] <djdelorie> good enough quality to repair an antique arcade game: http://www.delorie.com/photos/3d_prints/img_3157.html
[11:04:50] <Sync> no doubt, they work, but the surface quality still sucks, my usecase is usually prototyping injection molded cases where I want the surface to be neat
[11:06:47] <djdelorie> IIRC the "use case" for FDM was to be cheap enough and good enough that everyone could/would own one
[11:07:29] <djdelorie> A usable FDM printer is a couple hundred bucks. How much is a usable SLA printer? SLS?
[11:07:47] <djdelorie> How much extra did *you* pay for a machine that met *your* needs?
[11:08:26] <djdelorie> complaining that FDM is "cheap" is like complaining that people use Harbor Freight instead of "real" tools
[11:08:37] <Sync> I paid exactly 0 bux
[11:08:44] <djdelorie> some people don't need, and can't justify, the extra quality that money can buy
[11:08:56] <djdelorie> well, then, let us all know where we can get free printers :-)
[11:09:40] <enleth> what he said
[11:09:53] <enleth> cheap FDM produces shitty parts, but sometimes that's just what you need
[11:10:05] <enleth> when you do, it's better than no parts
[11:10:12] <enleth> and it's cheap. and cheap. also cheap.
[11:10:34] <djdelorie> and it's still faster than overnight shipping :-)
[11:11:05] <Sync> well, actually it is not, because the one we have is slow as hell for our parts
[11:11:15] <Sync> we're looking at getting an objet 30 now
[11:11:28] <alex4nder> djdelorie: Harbor Freight is a good example
[11:12:09] <alex4nder> FDM makes real sense if your time is worth close to $0, and you don't mind the frustration of low quality
[11:12:12] <djdelorie> I saw a video for a fast SLA printer yesterday. It cost $40,000 before you add the accessories and service contracts
[11:12:21] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: people are more irked by the BS spouted about FDM revolutionizing manufacturing
[11:12:39] <CaptHindsight> it's just another tool
[11:12:51] <djdelorie> I look at all the different types of 3D printers out there, and I think they've succeeded...
[11:13:02] <enleth> yeah, they could cut down on bullshit
[11:13:04] <Sync> I think the thing cost something like 32k djdelorie, but that we did not spend, as I said
[11:13:27] <CaptHindsight> it's like saying that socket wrenches will revolutionize manufacturing where they are just a subset of hand tools
[11:13:27] <djdelorie> *I* would have to pay 32K. My printer, which is on the high end of FDM, was only $1k
[11:13:53] <djdelorie> Or that the assembly line would, when it's only cars.
[11:14:36] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: succeeded in what? Separating money from the fools that still have some?
[11:15:19] <djdelorie> succeeded in spurring growth in rapid prototyping technology, and introducing a large segment of the population to the idea that they can afford to "manufacture" things at home
[11:15:46] <alex4nder> next-level yoda figurine manufacturing
[11:15:59] <djdelorie> How many schools can afford SLA printers, vs how many can buy FDM (or *make* FDM) printers for their classrooms?
[11:15:59] <CaptHindsight> thats the con
[11:16:40] <djdelorie> Getting a kid interested in design or manufacturing is better than yet another minimum wage worker with no ambition
[11:16:41] <zeeshan> i don't understand some job ads
[11:16:50] <zeeshan> they advertise a jr engineer position then they want 8 years of experience?
[11:16:53] <zeeshan> are they fucking joking?
[11:17:01] <enleth> zeeshan: H1B filler probably
[11:17:07] <zeeshan> how is 8 years a jr still?
[11:17:11] <enleth> or a local equivalent
[11:17:14] <zeeshan> h1b?
[11:17:40] <enleth> they don't want to hire, they want to prove that they can't find a hire locally to be allowed to hire a foreigner
[11:17:55] <enleth> H1B is the US version, most countries have similar laws
[11:17:56] <zeeshan> wow
[11:19:16] <enleth> the employer is required to try to hire a local citizen, so they post a job ad that no one would be interested in locally but not egregious enough for the employment officials to become suspicious
[11:19:40] <enleth> then 3 months or something pass and they get the green light to hire a foreign employee
[11:20:01] <_methods> we got another FDM white knight up in da hizzouse
[11:20:33] <_methods> they kinda remind me of vegans
[11:22:01] <FloppyDisk> Enco trying to sell. 25% off everything code: CYBER and free shipping code: MONDAY. Ends tonight at 11pm ET...
[11:22:12] <_methods> oh nice
[11:22:46] <enleth> zeeshan: alternatively, they just want to hire someone's friend or family but are required by law to post a job ad
[11:22:54] <zeeshan> ah
[11:22:56] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[11:23:05] <_methods> now to find a big ticket item on enco i want lol
[11:23:08] <enleth> zeeshan: so they post a dumb ad like this and silently ignore half of the requirements for this particular "random" applicant
[11:23:10] <Sync> or they are just cunts
[11:25:39] <CaptHindsight> and they probably have to current worked train their replacement
[11:25:44] <CaptHindsight> to/the
[11:26:12] <CaptHindsight> typo king is here worked/worker
[11:27:42] <jdh> or they already have a candidate they want
[11:37:02] <FloppyDisk> CaptHindsight - You mentioned a while back how to get reasonable shipping charges from China.
[11:37:41] <FloppyDisk> I bought 50 recessed handles for a project ($56 for 50 of them) and the shipping was $110. About 40 to 45 lbs of weight.
[11:37:58] <FloppyDisk> I think it's shipping DHL, is there a better way to ship?
[11:44:11] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk: did you make out the DHL waybill or did someone in China?
[11:44:46] <FloppyDisk> I did not make a waybill, the china folks quoted me and are 'sending' the stuff...
[11:45:35] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk: Chinapost is lowest but takes longest and no tracking....
[11:46:05] <FloppyDisk> Ok - thanks. I would think in that case, they would handle that??
[11:46:47] <CaptHindsight> TNT is probably less
[11:47:05] <CaptHindsight> also depends on the service time
[11:47:38] <CaptHindsight> they way it typically goes in China is that the small package gets picked up by a person on a scooter
[11:47:57] <CaptHindsight> the scooter rides to the nearest shipping depot
[11:48:26] <CaptHindsight> and the depot actually sends the package via whatever service
[11:48:49] <CaptHindsight> when the scooter arrives they get all the info from the shipper
[11:49:02] <CaptHindsight> and the depot fills out the waybill
[11:49:14] <FloppyDisk> I actually think this would be scooter as 50 handles are not large, but a little heavy. It'd be w/in what someone could strap to the back of a scooter, I'd think.
[11:49:50] <FloppyDisk> thank you for the reply - sounds like you've done this once or twice:-)
[11:50:49] <CaptHindsight> 50 lbs, thats nothing! https://vanessainasia.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dsc03595.jpg
[11:51:41] <CaptHindsight> https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wv-3.jpg?w=580&h=388
[11:53:21] <FloppyDisk> I love it!:-)
[11:53:39] <CaptHindsight> I've seen it. It's hilarious
[11:53:59] <CaptHindsight> moped pulling a trailer full of pipes
[12:22:01] <enleth> heh, one guy here just accidentally shoved his finger into a running 1U Dell server fan, almost tore half of his fingernail off
[12:22:37] <enleth> it's still attached to his finger but not to the rest of the fingernail
[12:22:51] <jdh> superglue!
[12:25:40] <gregcnc> also in china http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/17/asia/china-three-trucks-driver-trnd/index.html
[12:30:36] <gregcnc> i have some FDM parts made on a pro machine circa 1999, probably as good as a lot of the maker machines, but I'm sure some do better.
[12:34:40] <maxcnc> hi
[12:35:35] <maxcnc> sun goes down now in South Germany
[12:35:44] <maxcnc> Sunny cold day
[12:49:04] <Polymorphism> a CNC is a more useful tool than a 3d printer
[12:49:25] <maxcnc> depeds on how
[12:50:00] <maxcnc> fast complikate low force 3D printer low cost
[12:50:22] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: make this with a cnc: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:144935
[12:50:42] <maxcnc> hi mtimmerm
[12:51:08] <maxcnc> djdelorie: you make the point
[12:51:35] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: WHy dont you go to a Techshop in your near
[12:51:40] <djdelorie> but my next cnc task is a big plywood form, I wouldn't want to (nor be able to) 3D print it
[12:51:42] <maxcnc> growing all over
[12:52:31] <maxcnc> djdelorie: thats why here behind me 23 CNC are lockated
[12:52:48] <maxcnc> depends on how used to be
[12:52:55] <djdelorie> I can barely afford the one, wrt time, space, and cost...
[12:53:04] <djdelorie> but that doesn't stop me from wanting more :-)
[12:53:17] * djdelorie is a tool junkie
[12:53:23] <maxcnc> get one that generates money first
[12:53:31] <djdelorie> none of them, it's a hobby for me
[12:53:36] <djdelorie> I write software for a living
[12:53:54] <maxcnc> go for more then one jobs
[12:54:20] <djdelorie> no thank you :-)
[12:54:22] <maxcnc> EIB
[12:54:45] <maxcnc> European Installation Bus
[12:55:19] <maxcnc> cool stuff all home parts going online
[12:55:41] <maxcnc> but then all is hackable as the no key car showes
[12:55:42] <djdelorie> my wife already complains that the house is too complicated
[12:56:06] <djdelorie> (1st rule of home automation: if your wife can't figure it out, you have failed)
[12:56:08] <maxcnc> good old switches may come back soon
[12:56:28] <djdelorie> good old switches burned out my first air conditioner
[12:56:40] <djdelorie> had to add smarts to the box that controlled them all
[12:56:48] <maxcnc> no air Codiion in Germany
[12:57:20] <djdelorie> since they we switched to geothermal, get cooling and heating out of the same system, needs *more* smarts
[12:57:38] <maxcnc> agree on that
[12:58:23] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: still no order
[12:58:33] <djdelorie> so one day I come home and my wife is hot, sweaty, and screaming at me to turn the &^^$ air conditioner on
[12:58:36] <djdelorie> so "fail" that day
[12:59:05] <maxcnc> doesent she know where the BIG hammer is
[12:59:22] <djdelorie> she does, which is why I fixed it so fast
[12:59:36] <maxcnc> ROFL
[12:59:42] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, I'm close. I'm deciding between alixpress 6040z-s65j or omio x6-2200l, or a 3d printer but I that can't make pcbs
[13:00:17] <djdelorie> get the cnc machine first. You can *make* a 3D printer with it
[13:00:41] <maxcnc> i did one pcb today Polymorphism for a school projekt
[13:00:45] <Tom_itx> ponder on it a month or so more
[13:01:26] <maxcnc> Android arduino Mesure and set
[13:01:33] <maxcnc> via BT
[13:01:44] <maxcnc> HC-05 cool stuff
[13:01:47] <djdelorie> I would do a pcb on my mill, but no engraving bits yet. Maybe I'll make one on the lathe :-)
[13:02:06] <maxcnc> cheep and fast from ALI
[13:02:16] <maxcnc> 3Days 4Euros
[13:02:29] <maxcnc> 15Deg but non sharp out of center
[13:02:42] <djdelorie> If I want dull and offset, I can do that myself ;-)
[13:02:48] <maxcnc> ok 2 pathes with grinding in between
[13:03:27] <djdelorie> I have some broken 1/8" bits I can regrind, it'll be a fun project for some other day
[13:06:16] <Polymorphism> tryinfg to figure out what a full set of HG20 for a 500x400mmx140 machine would go for
[13:06:25] <Polymorphism> 1000mm total or so of hg20
[13:06:32] <Polymorphism> plus the blocks etc
[13:07:37] <jdh> buy one
[13:08:02] <maxcnc> 1000x1000x250mm i sell for 2G
[13:08:23] <Polymorphism> well I am slowly realizing the cnc is the best choice, at least first. maybe a cheap 3d printer later if I still needed
[13:08:38] <Polymorphism> but I can't get the temptation of that omio x6-2200l with its linear rails out of my head
[13:08:43] <Polymorphism> so now I'm breaking it down by part cost
[13:08:47] <Polymorphism> to see what I get for my extra money
[13:08:54] <Polymorphism> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-with-free-gift-CNC-Engraving-Machine-3-axis-CNC-6040-Z-S65J-CNC-Router/1690878195.html
[13:08:57] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-2200l-usb.html
[13:09:04] <Polymorphism> $1130 vs $2500 shipped
[13:09:19] <Polymorphism> I'm adding up the linear rails, the hand controller, etc
[13:09:29] <Polymorphism> and then I'll try to put a price on twice the z travel///clearance, just using my own judgment
[13:10:18] <Polymorphism> I already feel like I regret the cheaper one with 2.6" z travel and 3.5" clearance, vs the omio with 3.5 or 5.5" travel, and 5.5" clearance
[13:10:26] <Polymorphism> and I haven't even bought it yet xD
[13:10:41] <Polymorphism> so thats really making me seriously consider the omio
[13:10:50] <jdh> I would pick 1.5kw over .8
[13:10:53] <djdelorie> less talking, more buying...
[13:11:02] <Polymorphism> the omio supposedly has 2.2kw in a 110v
[13:11:08] <Polymorphism> which contradicts what other chinese sellers say
[13:11:10] <Polymorphism> so either its not 2.2kw
[13:11:13] <Polymorphism> or they found it somehow
[13:11:24] <Polymorphism> other chinese sellers say only 800w is 110cv
[13:11:29] <jdh> the hand controller is worth $0
[13:11:29] <Polymorphism> they say you need 220v for 1500+
[13:11:44] <Polymorphism> ok, I won't let that sway my decision at all then
[13:11:46] <jdh> my 1.5kw is 110
[13:12:54] <jdh> chinese watts
[13:13:00] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:13:14] <maxcnc> here is todays school projekt via eagle minimill http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/a_hc-05.jpg
[13:13:26] <Polymorphism> from what Loetmichel has said I won't really evcen use 800w so I'm trying to just consider other factors like the clearance and the linear rails
[13:13:40] <Polymorphism> thats very cool maxcnc
[13:13:47] <Polymorphism> thats a lot like what I'd like to do for some prototypes
[13:14:07] <maxcnc> then go for selfmade
[13:14:22] <maxcnc> homedepo Wantai 500 USD and you are on
[13:14:31] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[13:14:33] <Polymorphism> gn
[13:14:33] <Polymorphism> ty
[13:16:44] <Hydrar> Polymorphism: It sounds plausible that you'll be able to run a 2.2kW spindle on 110v... until you put a load on it
[13:17:10] <Hydrar> No-load wattage is probably not even half
[13:17:53] <Polymorphism> so even though it claims 2.2kw, it won't put that out on 110v
[13:18:03] <Polymorphism> although I probably don't need it either, loetmichael says he doesnt even touch 800w
[13:18:04] <Polymorphism> on al
[13:18:09] <Hydrar> It can, just will blow the breaker after a few seconds
[13:18:14] <Polymorphism> that wont do
[13:18:27] <Polymorphism> and hard wire across the breaker wont solve this
[13:18:28] <gregcnc> configure the VFD as required
[13:18:39] <Polymorphism> I need to consider 220v
[13:18:40] <Hydrar> Although it probably would be possible to put in a larger fuse provided your installation will solve it
[13:19:02] <Hydrar> But yeah, 220/400v I'd recommend for... well anything considering I'm in europe :P
[13:19:11] <Hydrar> We haven't died out yet from having 230 for everything
[13:20:42] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:20:43] <Sync> you will be limited in max rpm Polymorphism
[13:20:43] <Crom> just ordered grid core for the laser cutter. 18.4" x 24.4" x 0.5" 3/8" cell I can get 3 sheets for the 2 laser cutters and one extra
[13:20:52] <Polymorphism> Sync, I will?
[13:21:31] <jdh> you would be pressed to need full rpm
[13:21:53] <Sync> yes, Polymorphism
[13:22:40] <Polymorphism> will I have enough for milling pcb?
[13:22:44] <Polymorphism> if I go with this 2200w version
[13:22:48] <Polymorphism> I'm on 110v
[13:22:51] <Sync> that, I don't know
[13:22:57] <Sync> but you will be limited to about half the speed
[13:22:57] <Polymorphism> I didnt realize it could limit my speed....
[13:23:06] <Polymorphism> why is that?
[13:23:10] <Sync> well, what are speed and current proportional to?
[13:25:18] <Crom> on 120v 15amp circuit you have 1800w and a 20amp circuit your have 2400w, with the inverter you have overhead.. so for a 2200w spindle you really should drive it from a 240v circuit
[13:25:29] <Sync> ok, maximum motor speed is limited by your input voltage
[13:25:35] <Sync> and torque is proportional to the current
[13:25:52] <Sync> so by having half the input voltage, you have half the speed
[13:25:58] <gregcnc> I run 1/4" cutters in metal. typical load is <300W on my bldc spindle. I have run up to 1kW, but that took a 1/2" or 5/8" cutter.
[13:26:06] <djdelorie> my inverter doubles the voltage though...
[13:26:29] <Polymorphism> but why dop I need full watts
[13:26:31] <Crom> 100v at 5amps is 500w 200v at 2.5amp is still 500w
[13:26:32] <Polymorphism> for full rpm
[13:26:37] <Sync> not full watts
[13:26:38] <Sync> volts
[13:27:30] <Sync> djdelorie: do they really have a 300V dc link in there?
[13:27:37] <Crom> so on a 120v 15amp you can probably get full speed, just not full torque
[13:27:39] <Polymorphism> Sync,
[13:27:42] <Polymorphism> it says its a 110v spindle
[13:27:48] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-2200l-usb.html
[13:27:58] <djdelorie> probably. Input 120vac, output 240v three-phase
[13:28:28] <gregcnc> there are several 120V,1P-240V,3P VFD available
[13:28:32] <Polymorphism> so I will have full speed?
[13:28:39] <djdelorie> that inverter runs my bridgeport
[13:28:40] <Polymorphism> this is critical as I want to engrave + pcb
[13:28:46] <Crom> yes, probably not full torque
[13:29:15] <Crom> engrave and PCB you will not need full 200w of torque
[13:29:19] <Crom> engrave and PCB you will not need full 2200w of torque
[13:29:22] <Sync> if it does field weakening, you can get more speed
[13:29:32] <djdelorie> you need full power (watts) for deep, heavy, fast cuts. As you bog down the machine you risk popping a circuit breaker if it's underpowered
[13:30:17] <Sync> that would be strange, never seen a vfd with a voltage doubler inside
[13:30:22] <Polymorphism> I dont think that will be happening to me
[13:30:32] <Polymorphism> 1.5mm aluminum is most I will cut
[13:30:47] <Polymorphism> .3 or .4mm DoC
[13:30:54] <Polymorphism> also some hardwood perhaps
[13:32:21] <gregcnc> sync http://www.vfds.com/variable-frequency-drives/ac-vfds#/input-voltage-115v-a21-v115V/sort=p.sort_order/order=ASC/limit=15
[13:39:42] <Polymorphism> <Spirit532> the xzero raptor looks like garbage <Spirit532> flimsy
[13:39:42] <Polymorphism> lol
[13:39:53] <Polymorphism> have to be careful who I take advice from
[13:40:38] <Sync> gregcnc: they are also just running rectified mains with no doubling
[13:40:51] <Sync> just looked one up that claimed 230V output
[13:40:51] <Polymorphism> I've heard FR4 dust is toxic
[13:41:37] <Tom_itx> yup
[13:42:03] <djdelorie> so is water if you drink enough of it
[13:43:31] <Polymorphism> I meant to breathe as I'm milling it, but thats true about water
[13:44:12] <Sync> yes, it is dangerous
[13:46:00] <Hydrar> Sync: It's supposed to be possible using a switchmode supply or so to double voltage, but I highly doubt they're doing it on anything beyond 1kW without being very expensive
[13:47:07] <gregcnc> If they are not boosting voltage, the spindle should be wound for 120V.
[13:47:30] <PCW> I dont think its terribly expensive (pretty much all PC suppllies do this)
[13:47:32] <PCW> single phase input is whats expensive
[13:48:14] <Hydrar> Unless there's some shortcut I know of to turn 110v Phase to neutral into 220v phase to phase
[13:48:19] <PCW> ( because of the larger filter capacitors needed )
[13:48:20] <Hydrar> *I don't know of
[13:48:45] <Hydrar> PC Power supplies does step-down, buck converters are in many ways simpler to design iirc
[13:49:19] <Sync> no
[13:49:22] <PCW> Nope
[13:49:26] <Sync> they nowadays use pfcs to boost
[13:49:33] <Sync> earlier they had a cap doubler
[13:49:43] <Sync> that is why you always see two caps in pc supplies
[13:49:55] <Hydrar> I take it this is the circuitry they're using to run on either 110 or 230?
[13:50:11] <Sync> but I have yet to see a regular vfd that either has a pfc in it or a cap doubler
[13:50:29] <Hydrar> Odd, I always thought they just did straight stepdown with the PWM regulator just running higher duty cycles on 110v
[13:50:57] <PCW> Those listed say 230 VAC output so almost certainly have a 1/2 bridge doubler
[13:50:57] * Polymorphism listens
[13:51:22] <Hydrar> Yeah if they claim that they should definetivly
[13:51:43] <djdelorie> pcw: or a step-up switching power supply
[13:52:03] <Hydrar> I didn't know the PFC had anything to do with stepping up the voltage though, just thought it was for correcting the power factor properly for either voltage
[13:52:18] <PCW> I think a /2 bridge is cheaper
[13:52:29] <Crom> on PC supplies input A/C is basically turned into DC, filtered, then run through a Hbridge to drive the high frequency transformers, then that output is rectified to DC and the 5v 3.3V, 12V what ever is needed...
[13:52:43] <djdelorie> a pfc is a step-up switcher, in mini, to get "more constant current" out of a varying voltage
[13:53:15] <Hydrar> Ah, right
[13:53:24] <djdelorie> it's like a current boost converter, so that the current is more sinusoidal
[13:53:49] <Sync> PCW: the one I looked at said, that DClink will be about 1.35*Vin
[13:53:54] <Hydrar> Yeah that makes more sense, since it's supposed to correct the current lagging after the voltage
[13:54:00] <Sync> so they are just using straight full bridge rectification
[13:54:14] <gregcnc> one spec i read said ouput voltage can't be more than double input
[13:54:20] <djdelorie> a straight bridge has a current spike at peak voltage, and very little outside that
[13:54:39] <PCW> that means 115V AC out so not like the ones listed
[13:55:01] <PCW> that specify 230V AC out
[13:56:30] <Sync> well, I suppose they claim it that way because they can indeed create 230Vpp with a 160V dclink
[13:56:49] <gregcnc> I've never used 115->230 VFD. I just pull 230 to the outlet.
[13:57:15] <Hydrar> Why not 400? Or is that harder to get over there?
[13:57:26] <PCW> 230V PP but not 230V AC though, Illl bet the use a 1/2 bridge doubler
[13:57:28] <Hydrar> Might be a bit overkill for <2kW tho
[13:57:45] <Hydrar> Yeah they could be specifying PP, not RMS
[13:58:38] <Sync> ok, look into the datasheet for the s500e
[13:58:49] <Sync> that is listed in gregcncs list as 230V output
[13:59:09] <Sync> page 191 says 1.35*V1 as converter output
[13:59:15] <Sync> which is the DClink
[14:00:02] <Hydrar> Doesn't the efficiency take a hit from doing that kind of upconversion though?
[14:00:02] <PCW> so you are saying they are all lying about 230VAC output? I really doubt it
[14:00:52] <djdelorie> my GS2 is rated "Three-phase, two times proportion to input voltage"
[14:01:27] <Hydrar> They're probably not all lying, but I'm quite sure there's a few that do
[14:02:35] <djdelorie> gs2 spec is 46 watts loss at 100% rated output, or about 6% loss = 94% efficient
[14:02:40] <Sync> PCW: no, but I'm saying they are not really honest about it either
[14:02:42] <djdelorie> that's reasonable for a purpose-designed switcher
[14:03:17] <Hydrar> Yeah that's actually surprisingly high
[14:03:29] <djdelorie> high, but reasonable
[14:03:32] <Hydrar> Wonder if it keeps that up from 50% to 100% output though or if it's just peak
[14:03:58] <djdelorie> usually efficiency drops at low % load
[14:04:10] <djdelorie> but you're wasting less power even still ;-)
[14:10:21] <Hydrar> At least for a spindle, it's by far efficient enough :)
[15:40:15] <JT-JA14> for limit3 what does this mean in simple terms? "limit its slew rate to less than maxv per second, and limit its second derivative to less than maxa per second squared."
[15:43:40] <cradek> imagine the input as a commanded position: the output tries to follow the input but with limited velocity and acceleration
[15:44:03] <cradek> the problem documenting that is the input isn't necessarily a position, so it doesn't make sense to talk about velocity or acceleration
[15:44:16] <cradek> so maybe you have to say first and second derivative
[15:44:27] <cradek> but people might not have an intuitive sense of what that means
[15:44:50] <JT-JA14> yes, I was working on a limit3 example for moving a stepper
[15:45:31] <cradek> you should probably just use stepgen's limiting for that
[15:45:42] <JT-JA14> so in the case of a position input maxa is acceleration and maxv is max velocity?
[15:46:14] <cradek> heh yeah
[15:46:20] <JT-JA14> ok, I'll look at that
[15:46:38] <JT-JA14> someone said to use limit3 so I was experimenting
[15:48:44] <JT-JA14> thanks for the explanation
[15:50:12] <Encxapsulation> maybe I should just solder perfboard
[15:50:21] <Encxapsulation> instead of milling hte pcb
[15:51:18] <Encxapsulation> also, I found this: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/275124-cnc-cad-software-forum-35.html#post1866874
[15:51:26] <Encxapsulation> this post is exactly the type of milling I was planning to do
[15:51:32] <Encxapsulation> but someone is saying that wont even work?
[15:51:50] <Encxapsulation> I dont want to pay $1300 for more z axis just to try to do something that makes no sense
[15:52:23] <Encxapsulation> I could put that money toward tools accessories or 3d printer etc and use split body if that entire way of routing wont work out
[16:00:16] <Hydrar> I guess it *might* work but it won't go fast that's for sure
[16:00:58] <Hydrar> Love the guy saying "Is there any way to get high pressure air without a air pipe" tho
[16:01:07] <Hydrar> Last I checked it's called a compressor :P
[16:01:29] <JT-JA14> free fall with your mouth open
[16:02:53] <Hydrar> At least US based people have those california air tools quiet compressors that are at least "kinda" office friendly
[16:03:20] <JT-JA14> cradek: stepgen proved to be much easier to use thanks
[16:04:28] <Hydrar> Is it a good solution to use one of those coolant pipes to shoot regulated compressed air towards the tool to remove chips though? Could be a cheap and easy upgrade for the old kosy mill I have at work
[16:04:55] <Hydrar> Also been considering converting it to linuxcnc as nccad does things very weirdly
[16:06:19] <FloppyDisk> I was going to mill pcb boards, but the oshparks are pretty fast and better quality. Seems like a lot of futzing.
[16:08:32] <Encxapsulation> I just cant bring myself to outsource
[16:08:40] <Encxapsulation> but mayube I should just use perfboard
[16:08:46] <Encxapsulation> I have considered this
[16:08:49] <Encxapsulation> for simple boards
[16:08:59] <Encxapsulation> is it really worth the $2500 for thta and some control panel milling
[16:09:09] <Encxapsulation> I could be 3d printing enclosures for as little as $350
[16:10:02] * Encxapsulation weeps
[16:10:16] <Encxapsulation> I can't take anymore!!!!!
[16:11:47] <Encxapsulation> maybe some decisions aren't meant to be made
[16:11:53] <Encxapsulation> what am I even doing with my life!?
[16:11:55] <Encxapsulation> god help me
[16:18:03] <eeriegeek> life is what happens while you're making plans
[16:29:11] <Encxapsulation> that is so true
[16:29:18] <Encxapsulation> or in my case, decisons
[16:33:00] <Nick001-shop> Would this be OK for tuning a servo? http://imgur.com/oEcI8iz
[16:34:09] <RootB> anyone has experience with TinyG
[16:37:26] <Encxapsulation> whats grbl
[16:45:07] <JT-JA14> so to get a float out of classicladder I have to pass the s32 through conv_s32_float then through mult2 to get the real float
[16:45:30] <Deejay> gn8
[16:45:55] <JT-JA14> goodnight
[16:53:27] <CaptHindsight> _methods: JFC yet another nick!
[16:56:29] <_methods> another one?
[16:57:05] <_methods> must be 1337 h4x0r
[16:58:27] <CaptHindsight> 1337 h4x0r fer sure
[17:04:05] <JT-JA14> yea I just made classicladder move a stepper and move it back
[17:05:23] <FloppyDisk> sweet!
[17:12:15] <JT-JA14> easy once you know how lol
[17:13:26] <JT-JA14> now it moves to a position and after 5 seconds moves back
[17:56:15] <LeelooMinai> Any tips on first-steps software for cnc? Just for initial testing, simple g-code, etc.? Something that would generate g-code - maybe compiler + visualiser, or something like this?
[17:56:41] <LeelooMinai> I am using linuxcnc that is, but for preparing the g-code.
[17:58:26] <JT-JA14> I use Gedit
[17:58:50] <LeelooMinai> Right, I mean proper tool, not a text editor.
[17:58:52] <JT-JA14> if you need to generate an arc you can use my arc generator
[17:59:04] <JT-JA14> a text editor is a proper tool
[17:59:39] <LeelooMinai> "that's like your opinion, man" :)
[17:59:51] <Tom_itx> JT-JA14, learn any avr programming yet?
[18:00:03] <JT-JA14> ok get Solidworks and the cam package
[18:00:22] <JT-JA14> Tom_itx: not yet I need to get some chips
[18:00:27] <Tom_itx> which cam packae works best with it?
[18:00:29] <LeelooMinai> had something free in mind.
[18:00:36] <JT-JA14> dream on
[18:00:46] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: I think I figured out the motor. It was a 2 speed 1 winding motor I believe
[18:00:59] <Tom_itx> JT-JA14, have you tried cam with SW yet?
[18:01:09] <Tom_itx> just starting to learn about it in catia
[18:01:12] <JT-JA14> yea but I didn't like the complexity
[18:01:26] <Tom_itx> it seems quite detailed in catia
[18:01:46] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: here is the condition of the stator and what I believe is the correct wiring. [URL=http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shefron/media/Machinery/Wilton%20Cold%20Saw/Motor%20winding%20speed%20guess_zpsngj0hcb6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Wilton%20Cold%20Saw/Motor%20winding%20speed%20guess_zpsngj0hcb6.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[18:02:02] <andypugh> Duc_mobile: What should I read into your use of the past-tense?
[18:02:07] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: better link http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Wilton%20Cold%20Saw/Motor%20winding%20speed%20guess_zpsngj0hcb6.jpg
[18:02:35] <Duc_mobile> andypugh: crappy grammer skills from a engineer LOL
[18:02:53] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ahow about this, anyone here used that? http://www.vagrearg.org/content/gcmc
[18:03:10] <JT-JA14> anyway I have some stuff on the way from chinlee
[18:03:22] <JT-JA14> nope
[18:03:42] <andypugh> LeelooMinai: Fusion360
[18:04:16] <JT-JA14> I wrote a dxf to G code program in golang, very fast conversion
[18:05:46] <LeelooMinai> andypugh: Seems like some kind of huge cad package, that is not free, no?
[18:06:02] <JT-JA14> seems to be free to me
[18:06:13] <LeelooMinai> I see "free trial"
[18:06:23] <JT-JA14> for year after year
[18:06:42] <andypugh> Free for hobby, education ans startups making less than $100k
[18:07:08] <JT-JA14> I certainly qualify for that lol
[18:07:08] <andypugh> However gcmc does seem like a very useful-looking tool too.
[18:07:28] <andypugh> And gcmc will probably teach you a lot more about G-code
[18:07:30] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, so I understand that this is more than just a tool to generate g-code? :)
[18:08:01] <LeelooMinai> Is it in any way specialized in the CNC area?
[18:08:08] <JT-JA14> andypugh: do they annoy you with emails?
[18:08:09] <LeelooMinai> Or it can only export?
[18:08:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I see CAM there - I guess that would be the cnc part.
[18:09:00] <JT-JA14> oh is it a cloud thing?
[18:09:16] <JT-JA14> can't do that lol
[18:09:17] <Tom_itx> probably so
[18:09:27] <andypugh> JT-JA14: Not a huge amount, but I am vaguely active on their forums and such, so feel to be a peripheral part of their “community” anyway.
[18:09:34] <Tom_itx> everything is cloud based anymore
[18:09:46] <Tom_itx> iirc catia 6 is going that way too
[18:10:15] <andypugh> JT-JA14: Fusion is an installed application, but it does like to do file transfers through the web.
[18:10:17] <JT-JA14> until we get obumble to wire us up no cloud for me lol
[18:10:40] <LeelooMinai> I think I will download that 360 for the long run, but play with that compiler first, to try basic things.
[18:10:55] <Tom_itx> JT-JA14, he's busy installing bathrooms right now
[18:11:13] <JT-JA14> lol
[18:12:16] <JT-JA14> I better get started on the dakgangjeong
[18:12:24] <Tom_itx> andypugh are you still on the wrong side of the pond this week?
[18:14:13] <andypugh> I am on the opposite side to my CNC machines, so yes, that makes it thw wrong side.
[18:14:35] <Tom_itx> are they missing you?
[18:20:16] <andypugh> Hard to tell. I guess I could ssh in to my router and send them a mmagic packet to wake-on-lan them and do a bit of jogging…
[18:23:55] <Tom_itx> pdftk is a nice tool. lets you collate pdf files
[18:24:11] <Tom_itx> re'arrange order etc
[18:24:29] <Tom_itx> combine or separate pages
[18:29:04] <witnit> Tom_itx: have you used gscan2pdf before?
[18:29:14] <Tom_itx> nope
[18:29:21] <witnit> do you have a scanner?
[18:29:27] <Tom_itx> just using my printer scanner software to capture the pdf
[18:29:43] <witnit> gscan2pdf is great, multipage pdf via scanner
[18:30:04] <Tom_itx> used my sheet feeder for this
[18:30:12] <witnit> just tell it how many pages you have and hit go
[18:30:14] <Tom_itx> to even / odd page pdf then joined them
[18:30:37] <Tom_itx> yeah this lets you select sections or reverse order select them
[18:30:38] <Tom_itx> etc
[18:31:48] <witnit> oooh, I downloaded it :) tis nice
[18:32:08] <witnit> generatefdf?
[18:32:21] <Valen> so a friend of mine is having problems with his stepper machine not stepping sometimes
[18:32:36] <Valen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6cbjRdN8w&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=HyzerGlen is a video of it failing
[18:32:52] <Valen> its on a fairly simple gcode just a square
[18:33:44] <Valen> but after moving from a -y to a -x it seems to lock up, and it'll only then move in +x and +y either by jogging or by gcode
[18:34:04] <Valen> but if he hits home it'll move just fine
[18:34:27] <Valen> no error messages come up on his console, I thought he was hitting a soft limit but the thing keeps cutting
[18:37:11] <Valen> any ideas?
[18:38:57] <witnit> Its still early, im thinkin :P
[18:49:32] <MacGalempsy> hey hey, its a good day. my machine is semi functional again
[18:51:14] <andypugh> Valen: Congratulations, that’s a remarkably odd problem.
[18:51:26] <Valen> thats what I thought ;->
[18:51:42] <andypugh> Can you put an LED or scope on the step line and see of pulses are being sent?
[18:52:11] <andypugh> What hardware?
[18:54:43] <Valen> pport and parker cd60m drives
[18:55:20] <Valen> some chinese breakout board in the middle
[18:55:27] <Valen> he can put a scope on it later today
[18:55:43] <Valen> I'm wondering if its something related to the pport itself
[18:55:59] <Valen> hal file http://pastebin.com/K81rR3ZT
[18:56:15] <Valen> sorry that was the ini
[18:56:17] <Valen> http://pastebin.com/xKEvuSgf is the hal
[18:56:24] <Valen> http://pastebin.com/hgmkzdyF gcode
[18:56:42] <Valen> he also made a gcode by hand and had the same problem
[18:56:48] <Valen> he says he has the same issue on circles
[18:57:05] <Valen> so I think its down to the change of direction on two axies at the same time
[18:59:21] <Jymmm> Valen: Just insert a 5s pause =)
[18:59:43] <Valen> mid circle, what could possibly go wrong?
[18:59:57] <Jymmm> Valen: 5s arc =)
[19:05:27] <Valen> andypugh: I figured it might be latching up the pport somehow, but then homing sorts it out?
[19:05:52] <andypugh> Possibly, or some cross-talk in the BoB is disabling the drives?
[19:06:27] <andypugh> looks an expensive machine to run with a parport…
[19:06:41] <Valen> its all DIY
[19:06:50] <Valen> plasma cutter
[19:06:59] <Valen> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/21-axis/1107-axis-movement-stops-working-strange-behaviour sounds familiar
[19:07:16] <andypugh> Aye, just thinking that perhaps the step generation interface is not the place to skimp.
[19:07:44] <Valen> yeah, I think they are just doing it with stuff that is sitting around
[19:07:58] <Valen> getting a mesa card is 2 weeks at least ;->
[19:11:38] <Valen> I'm having troubles with my mesa stepgen if you want to feel more comfy andypugh ;->
[19:12:25] <andypugh> Oh! Look! a Squrrel!
[19:12:32] <Valen> ;->
[19:13:04] <Valen> I can see the DIR line change state with the button pushing but I see no activity on the step line
[19:13:23] <Valen> I'm thinking it might be too fast for me to see on the scope looking at the step_scale
[19:13:24] <PCW> What issue do you have with the stepgen?
[19:14:08] <Valen> it's set to 360 (default in pncconf) which if I'm running a G1 A 100 F 10 works out to pulses at 60hz?
[19:14:42] <Valen> http://pastebin.com/5mhcqWVx http://pastebin.com/qf1zZYmv is ini and hal
[19:15:27] <Valen> I think I was expecting something like a 50% duty cycle square wave so I might not have been looking in the right place
[19:16:50] <PCW> if you want to look at the steps set it to quadrature mode
[19:16:55] <andypugh> stepgen makes short pulses, not a square wave. Also I don’t see you setting the step length anywhere.
[19:17:22] <PCW> its set to 500 (1/2 usec)
[19:17:27] <andypugh> PCW: What be the default steplen?
[19:17:38] <Valen> the output is straight from pncconf on that one
[19:17:41] <PCW> Not sure there is one
[19:17:57] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAAnyUjiNGs
[19:18:10] <Valen> I think pncconf defaults to 1000, I believe I picked one of the available options incase the defaults weren't sensible
[19:18:46] <Valen> yeah so that's probably it, low feed rate combined with short pulses + pebak = this thing, I'll have a closer look today
[19:19:23] <PCW> in general I would set the step pulse wider (say 5000 for both step and space) unless you need to step faster tha 100 KHz
[19:20:06] <andypugh> 500 seems super-short
[19:20:23] <PCW> also the P term for the stepgen should be 1000
[19:20:38] <PCW> (not 50, this is a pncconf bug)
[19:21:20] <Valen> I believe those are the defaults for the gecko
[19:21:57] <andypugh> When are we going to get a fix pushed for that bug ?
[19:22:19] <Valen> I have been trying to get into the pncconf source there are a few other weeblies that could do with a tweak
[19:22:40] <Valen> like the max feed rate of 100 in metric mode is somewhat not awesome
[19:23:36] <Valen> and you aren't able to use index for home without home switches
[19:25:55] <Valen> all my roundtoits were soaked up getting a build environment going lol
[19:48:50] <Valen> oh PCW are there any differential output modes of the stepgen?
[19:49:06] <Valen> like encoder out with A+ and A- perhaps?
[20:05:44] <LeelooMinai> Any idea why I get those messages? http://i.imgur.com/ZdWlbP4.png
[20:09:25] <LeelooMinai> Aslo, if I open some gcode file, shouldn't it show something, hmm, happening in the black window? http://i.imgur.com/QHLYaV8.png
[20:10:04] <LeelooMinai> It displays the file, but nothing happens...
[20:10:52] <Valen> sounds pretty broken, not to be insesnsitve but have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:11:19] <LeelooMinai> Yes, restarted linuxcnc few times.
[20:11:40] <andypugh> LeelooMinai: Could be 125 inches off the side of the screen…
[20:12:55] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I should switch it to mm in the gcode? I set up linuxcnc with mm.
[20:13:32] <andypugh> It is possible that it slipped into inches. What does the active g-codes window say?
[20:13:58] <andypugh> Always a good idea to start the g-code with the units anyway.
[20:14:15] <LeelooMinai> Say where?
[20:14:31] <andypugh> In the active g-codes thingy.
[20:14:44] <jdh> f5
[20:14:48] <andypugh> (assuming that you are using Axis). Or status in Touchy, or....
[20:14:50] <LeelooMinai> I just see this: http://i.imgur.com/RFADtnW.png
[20:15:15] <andypugh> other tab
[20:15:28] <LeelooMinai> mm: http://i.imgur.com/uD6VDdw.png
[20:16:28] <andypugh> Well, there goes that idea
[20:16:49] <andypugh> how about if you touch-off to 125 -125 13
[20:17:15] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: what is the file name youre trying to open
[20:17:40] <LeelooMinai> andypugh: No idea what that means in practice:)
[20:17:45] <LeelooMinai> test.tgc
[20:17:54] <LeelooMinai> ngc*
[20:18:25] <zeeshan> CHKS((_setup.file_pointer != NULL), NCE_A_FILE_IS_ALREADY_OPEN);
[20:18:27] <zeeshan> hm
[20:18:47] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I am being naive, but I thought that I will just load some gcode file and it will show what it does...
[20:19:00] <jdh> it does
[20:19:24] <andypugh> Yes, that would be a reasonable assumption, and it is normally exactly what happens
[20:19:44] <andypugh> I wonder if there is a permissions problem with the file?
[20:19:47] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I should restart the whole PC...
[20:20:01] <LeelooMinai> Premissions are "normal" like other files rw r r
[20:20:10] <andypugh> Can you open a sample file from the supplied files, such as 3Dchips?
[20:20:49] <LeelooMinai> Seems so, though I get those annying messages too: http://i.imgur.com/QgGLhZE.png
[20:21:35] <andypugh> So, it says it can’t open it, then opens it?
[20:21:42] <LeelooMinai> lol, yes
[20:22:21] <andypugh> You aren’t by any chance running from a tiny SSD which is full? Linux goes rather crazy in that situation
[20:23:28] <LeelooMinai> No, it's 1% filled only
[20:24:18] <jdh> rebooting is generally not a useful thing, but...
[20:24:45] <andypugh> Ah, well, I am sure you will sort it out :-) But if I don’t get to the restaurant soon, it will shut.
[20:25:14] <LeelooMinai> Right
[20:26:03] <LeelooMinai> Same after rebooting - wonderful
[20:26:47] <jdh> that makes me feel better anyway
[20:27:41] <jdh> anything in dmesg?
[20:29:24] <LeelooMinai> The only error I see is this: http://i.imgur.com/X4HuBIB.png
[20:34:13] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it's related to linuxcnc 2.8.x and I should downgrade to 2.7?\
[20:34:29] <LeelooMinai> Not sure what people run as recommended version right now.
[20:35:35] <jdh> wouldn't hurt to see if it goes away
[20:36:30] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, now I see only 2.6.12 as an option:/
[20:36:57] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I should add something to repositiries.
[20:37:43] <PCW> I would in general not run master unless you had a specific reason to do so
[20:37:45] <PCW> (though I have never seen an error like that and run master all the time)
[20:37:46] <PCW> probabl best is to install 2.6.12 and upgrade to 2.7.4
[20:38:08] <LeelooMinai> Right
[20:42:33] <bobo_> BeachBumPete: is it "Home sweet Home" now or are you still waiting for the bank bozos phone call
[20:46:29] <LeelooMinai> Improvement, no error messages any more, buit still no paths shown: http://i.imgur.com/BgMqEVv.png
[20:48:25] <LeelooMinai> Maybe my gcode misses something. Not sure. I just move the spindle in a square there and "drill" 4 holes.
[20:48:54] <LeelooMinai> Even if there are bugs, I would expect some lines showing...
[20:49:59] <PCW> maybe... is your scaling correct?
[20:50:38] <LeelooMinai> When I type commands directly, say G0 X10, it works correctly
[20:52:34] <LeelooMinai> I see some commands, like #<xscale> = 1.0 in example files - maybe I should transplant them...
[20:53:02] <LeelooMinai> Or are they variables...
[20:53:07] <LeelooMinai> Not sure about that syntax yet
[20:54:41] <PCW> I mean is the machine scaling correct (steps/mm) in the INI file
[20:55:30] <LeelooMinai> I believe so - as I wrote, manual commands work correctly
[20:57:14] <LeelooMinai> I start to wonder, maybe something is not displayed?
[20:57:21] <LeelooMinai> I am through VNC
[20:57:29] <djdelorie> my files tend to have a boilerplate at the top, maybe you're missing a setup command that the GUI doesn't need?
[20:59:22] <PCW> Hmm is is just that G0 moves are not shown in the preview?
[20:59:29] <LeelooMinai> Some example files do not really have anything special at the beginning, like this one: http://i.imgur.com/MWsy1gz.png
[20:59:56] <LeelooMinai> I used only G0 commands
[21:00:18] <PCW> thats what I mean
[21:00:39] <LeelooMinai> Should I try, I don't know, G1?
[21:01:09] <LeelooMinai> Hmm...
[21:01:33] <PCW> bbl dinner
[21:01:37] <LeelooMinai> Weird... I changed first one: http://i.imgur.com/bRluDZl.png
[21:01:59] <LeelooMinai> Seems that suddenly after changing the first one to G1, things appeared.
[21:02:10] <LeelooMinai> No idea why.
[21:02:53] <LeelooMinai> When I change it back to G0 - again, nothing is visible.
[21:03:26] <PCW> I suspect thats deliberate (G0 is not for machining)
[21:04:10] <LeelooMinai> A, so maybe everything is ok, I just should not expect G0 movements to be displayed.
[21:05:06] <LeelooMinai> Though, I see a checkmark on the menu "show program rapids"
[21:05:13] <LeelooMinai> And it's on.
[21:05:42] <LeelooMinai> So maybe that's some VNC problem or something... Well, later I will bring a monitor from the basement and check this.
[21:14:10] <enleth> Is the "launch test panel" button in pncconf supposed to do nothing?
[21:58:59] * zeeshan is annoyed
[21:59:19] <zeeshan> i just scrapped a 45$ chunk of aluminum
[21:59:23] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I was thinking about calibrating the CNC, and, what if I had something as a reference, say small cube or something with a shape of 123 block and some kind of simple touch detection setup.
[21:59:29] <zeeshan> it was some 12" wide flat bar cut to 24"
[21:59:32] <zeeshan> i tried to mill it flat
[21:59:36] <zeeshan> and it bowed on me?
[21:59:52] <enleth> zeeshan: yeah, this happens
[22:00:02] <zeeshan> this is the first time its happened t ome in aluminum..
[22:00:04] <zeeshan> bronze yes
[22:00:07] <zeeshan> but never in aluminum before
[22:00:58] <LeelooMinai> Then I could touch the reference object from multiple sides and see if the table is XYZ square, I think, no?
[22:02:26] <LeelooMinai> Because so far I did not figure out how to position something like, say, straight edge, perpendicular to the Y rails.
[22:03:05] <LeelooMinai> If I was able to do that, it would be easy to just move along X and see the difference from the edge.
[22:04:01] <LeelooMinai> Some better ideas?
[22:09:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan how deep a cut were you taking?
[22:09:59] <zeeshan> 5 thou
[22:10:03] <zeeshan> was just trying toi clean it up
[22:10:09] <zeeshan> its got a 1/16" bow now
[22:10:32] <zeeshan> i'm not sure wtf to do now
[22:10:39] <zeeshan> all my tooling is for aluminum
[22:10:46] <zeeshan> getting another plate isn't going to help
[22:10:55] <zeeshan> it seems my only option is mic 6 plate
[22:16:03] <enleth> I'm playing with 7i77 and the new servo drives, pulled one servo from the mill for bench testing, and I'm getting weird encoder behaviour during open loop testing. hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.velocity is all over the place while hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.position will only go in one direction even when I reverse the motor. What did I screw up?
[22:18:58] <enleth> also, when I run the motor slowly, position increments at a pretty fast rate, several times of what it should, but when I spin it fast, position increments very slowly and at an uneven rate
[22:26:13] <witnit> is it possible something is grounding out through your encoder->7i77
[22:27:31] <witnit> one of three lathes I recently bought, this is the mazak QT30 http://pasteboard.co/10knpHdT.jpg
[22:29:00] <witnit> Clausing hydro http://pasteboard.co/10kEBZDR.jpg
[22:29:16] <Tom_itx> zeeshan got most of the course on pdf now
[22:30:16] <witnit> the Oliver http://pasteboard.co/10kJWpN8.jpg
[22:31:26] <enleth> witnit: that's rather unlikely, I'm using the original encoder cable and fully insulated jumper wires between the original plug and 7i77
[22:31:57] <witnit> enleth you had a different card before the 7i77 then
[22:31:58] <witnit> ?
[22:32:20] <enleth> original Heidenhain control
[22:32:29] <enleth> working just fine
[22:32:37] <witnit> whats the encoder model?
[22:32:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: send :)
[22:33:14] <Tom_itx> you ain't gonna use it anyway
[22:33:19] <zeeshan> i will some day
[22:33:19] <zeeshan> :)
[22:34:10] <enleth> witnit: also Heidenhain, model not indicated, just serial number. Rotary, 125 pulses/rev, cable pinout is described on page 49 of this PDF: http://content.heidenhain.de/doku/oma_controls/CD1/tnc/131_135/gb/21616524.pdf
[22:34:14] <LeelooMinai> What is the name of this indicator type? http://i.imgur.com/nt4qbNk.png
[22:34:26] <zeeshan> test dial indicator
[22:34:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, been messin with pdftk
[22:34:43] <Tom_itx> good for assembling pages
[22:34:44] <LeelooMinai> I mean the type where the end moves sideways
[22:35:11] <zeeshan> ?
[22:35:27] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i use adobe acrobat dc :D
[22:35:30] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, last word indicator
[22:35:50] <LeelooMinai> Tom_itx: The what?
[22:35:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, my scanner does multipage scanning
[22:36:02] <Tom_itx> even were reversed
[22:36:18] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, that's what it's called
[22:36:50] <Tom_itx> the rest is just a swivel arm
[22:36:52] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I think it's called "lever type"
[22:37:20] <Tom_itx> https://jet.com/product/detail/e9affd5957a74754ada8843cd1c963d5?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_hardware_a1:tools_measuring_tools_sensors_a1_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_hardware_a1&ds_cid&ds_ag=tools_measuring_tools_sensors_a1_other&product_id=e9affd5957a74754ada8843cd1c963d5&product_partition_id=161686162380&gclid=CKu9naLT4swCFZKCaQodAsIG4g&gclsrc=aw.ds
[22:38:03] <Tom_itx> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/z/qisAAOSw6EhUNdYJ/$_35.JPG?set_id=2
[22:38:13] <witnit> enleth: does it look like this?
[22:38:24] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/starrett-dial-indicator
[22:38:36] <witnit> enleth: http://tinyurl.com/hvgnnc9
[22:39:00] <LeelooMinai> I meant the name difference between those two types: http://i.imgur.com/5mHwJ0a.png
[22:39:31] <enleth> witnit: http://i.imgur.com/yrW9GfS.jpg
[22:39:36] <Tom_itx> bottom one is just a regular dial indicator
[22:39:41] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: i just told u?!
[22:39:44] <Tom_itx> i call the top one a 'last word' indicator
[22:39:47] <zeeshan> the top one is a test indicator
[22:39:52] <enleth> witnit: and the connector: i.imgur.com/JRAgHGs.jpg
[22:40:21] <zeeshan> the bottom one is called a dial indicator
[22:40:32] <zeeshan> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/metrology-products/precision-measuring-tools/indicators-gages/Dial-Indicators#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=24&sortBy=wp/asc
[22:40:33] <Tom_itx> zeeshan get your lathe done and we'll talk pdf's
[22:40:34] <Tom_itx> :D
[22:40:36] <zeeshan> if you dont believe me
[22:40:36] <LeelooMinai> Tom_itx: That's a weird name, "last word"
[22:40:41] <zeeshan> look for yoruself
[22:40:48] <Tom_itx> that's what some call it
[22:40:56] <zeeshan> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/metrology-products/precision-measuring-tools/indicators-gages
[22:41:04] <zeeshan> right there is proof :P
[22:41:09] <zeeshan> test indicator, dial indicator
[22:41:28] <witnit> enleth: take a picture of the encoder model
[22:41:31] <LeelooMinai> Both have dials, so that naming is a bit weird too...
[22:41:43] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: welcome to english
[22:41:45] <LeelooMinai> I think I like "lever indicator" better
[22:42:01] <LeelooMinai> At least it's clear
[22:45:49] <enleth> witnit: there's no model number/name on it. Just "Inkrementaler Drehgeber" which is German for "incremental encoder", an identification number (21175610, with 10 stamped and the rest printed)) and a batch number (173011)
[22:46:02] <enleth> witnit: neither number is googlable
[22:47:10] <enleth> witnit: other than that, there's just pulses/rev, stamped, 125/rev
[22:47:45] <enleth> wait
[22:48:22] <enleth> just looked up another unit on the Z motor, which is not half-covered in paint
[22:48:40] <enleth> OK, there is a model number,
[22:48:48] <enleth> ROD 450B
[22:49:16] <witnit> enleth: I thought maybe you had an absolute encoder
[22:50:00] <enleth> well, no, it's on the back of the motor
[22:50:10] <pcw_home> thats a sine/cosine encoder
[22:52:08] <LeelooMinai> Does it make sense to make a makeshift conductive touch probe just by shorting a path to a mesa card inputs?
[22:52:48] <LeelooMinai> To detect touch of something metalic in the spindle to a 123 block.
[22:52:49] <enleth> pcw_home: sure about it? At this point I might just as well hook up a scope to it
[22:53:38] <witnit> LeelooMinai: I had that same Idea and was curious, let me know if it work out for you,given you tyr it
[22:53:48] <pcw_home> I have a similar one and its 1V sine/cosine
[22:55:24] <pcw_home> oops ROD450 is not 1V but 11 uA
[22:55:25] <enleth> pcw_home: how fucked am I with regard to using it with 7i77?
[22:55:36] <witnit> eternally i think ahhaajah
[22:56:15] <pcw_home> for what (for an axis you need the interpolator)
[22:57:07] <pcw_home> does the machine have interpolator boxes? (EXExxx)
[22:58:41] <enleth> those encoders hook up to the heidenhain control directly
[22:59:02] <pcw_home> LeelooMinai: you could but you need a pullup resistor
[23:00:00] <enleth> no separate/external interpolators there
[23:00:36] <pcw_home> enleth so not too useful unless you find some cheap EXE boxes (or make one)
[23:01:54] <somenewguy> duc?
[23:02:12] <somenewguy> are there any bots serving this channel?
[23:02:42] <andypugh> serving?
[23:02:56] <somenewguy> living in?
[23:03:01] <somenewguy> doing useful things lol
[23:03:04] <enleth> pcw_home: any suggestions for ebay hunting? I guess I could make one, looking at some refrence designs from TI, it doesn't appear to be rocket science, but if I can get them cheap, I'd save some time
[23:03:36] <somenewguy> leeloominai, that is fairly common I think
[23:03:38] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: I have 7176 - is there some schematic for the inputs, etc.? I mean EE schematic showing wheat's going on there.
[23:03:50] <somenewguy> the touchy sparky probe notion that is
[23:04:19] <andypugh> there are some loggers. In fact I was just looking at the psha logs a few seconds ago. But he may only be logging linuxcnc-devel
[23:04:44] <LeelooMinai> Right, as long as the touched object is conductive, it's simple to implement.
[23:04:48] <andypugh> enleth: just search for heidenhain exe
[23:04:52] <pcw_home> LeelooMinai: inputs have 22 K input resistance
[23:05:03] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: And they just float?
[23:05:08] <witnit> I need to extract everything said by just a couple people and print it into a book for reference
[23:05:10] <pcw_home> are safe to +-100V
[23:05:21] <pcw_home> 22K pulldown
[23:05:33] <LeelooMinai> A, ok
[23:05:56] <LeelooMinai> So those are the "filed" inouts right?
[23:05:59] <somenewguy> yeah I don't konw much about the cards, but presumably you just need to put an insulated tool in the spindle and either apply 5v or gnd to it
[23:07:02] <pcw_home> Yes inputs are 20K/2K divider into 22000 pF
[23:07:16] <witnit> okay while on the topic of encoders, I bought some on ebay that have this strange orange capacitor looking thing on it and reads 225PW+/-10
[23:07:16] <witnit> 100v.1
[23:07:48] <somenewguy> i would guess is 225 picofarads
[23:08:20] <somenewguy> oh wait no im an idiot
[23:08:24] <witnit> why was this atached to encoder? http://tinyurl.com/hc39jzl
[23:08:26] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: But no EE schematics? :(
[23:08:27] <somenewguy> I am way to tired to be guessing at peoples answers
[23:08:50] <somenewguy> its actually probably 22*10^5 picofarads
[23:09:15] <witnit> I assumed it was for filtering noise or something but am uncertain
[23:09:22] <somenewguy> but those would be bigish caps if they are 2.2uF at 100 volts
[23:09:34] <somenewguy> orange disks right?
[23:09:41] <witnit> looks like chicklet gum actually
[23:09:55] <somenewguy> ah yep
[23:10:15] <enleth> pcw_home: too expensive, so DIY it is. Thanks for the help.
[23:10:42] <witnit> so noise filter of some kind?
[23:11:30] <somenewguy> yeah
[23:11:57] <somenewguy> if its on some dc power you would probably have one of those and a much smaller cap in parallel to ground
[23:12:02] <witnit> I had some of those similar things on a servo amp before as well
[23:12:17] <somenewguy> 2.2uf is for mid frequency stuff, you would want a ~.01uF for the higher freq stuff
[23:12:18] <andypugh> witnit: I think that the size is 0.022
[23:12:45] <witnit> I was planning on throwing it in a bin of other things I dont really know what they are for but I keep anyhow
[23:15:12] <somenewguy> always nice to have
[23:15:26] <somenewguy> if an input is acting wierd just try throwing some filtering at it to see if it helps
[23:26:09] <witnit> somenewguy: thats the funny thing about being familiar or not with electronics, i get a bit fearful because I dont know what such little devices can do when improperly used
[23:27:44] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, does linux cnc have some kind of remote protocol? I mean some way of connecting to it on a port, say, and controling programmatically.
[23:28:17] <witnit> there are a few ways people do that, but I wouldnt say there is a specific protocol in place yet
[23:28:27] <FloppyDisk> As usual I know nothing, but you can write python and C to control it, however it is not well documented...
[23:28:31] <witnit> LeelooMinai: what do you mean by control exactly?
[23:28:49] <witnit> like hit play, or jog it, or view it?
[23:28:58] <witnit> all three?
[23:29:10] <LeelooMinai> I guess minimum would be uploading gcode, etc. but ideally reading all the hal inputs, and controlling the, well, controller.
[23:29:17] <FloppyDisk> you can wire in python widgets for play and jog.
[23:29:19] <witnit> ssh is handy
[23:29:28] <witnit> but I dont know if its recommended
[23:29:33] <FloppyDisk> ^ yes - ssh.
[23:29:46] <witnit> even then you could write php interface for it
[23:29:54] <witnit> and remotely access it via browser
[23:30:05] <witnit> but, to each his own I suppose
[23:30:15] <FloppyDisk> Andy Pugh had written this: I sometimes ssh -Y andypugh@mill and then start linuxcnc from the comfort of my living-room on the indoors PC
[23:30:31] <LeelooMinai> Right, I mean programatically - to atuomate something like touch-probing, etc.
[23:30:36] <FloppyDisk> <andypugh> But what I find _really_ useful is to do this when a job is running on the remote machine:
[23:30:36] <FloppyDisk> <andypugh> ssh -Y andypugh@mill
[23:30:36] <FloppyDisk> <andypugh> halcmd -kf
[23:30:37] <FloppyDisk> <andypugh> loadusr halmeter -s pin motion.program-line
[23:30:49] <FloppyDisk> You can write python stuff to it...
[23:30:58] <FloppyDisk> As well as send it NML (if I got that right) commands
[23:31:05] <FloppyDisk> But, again, not well documented...
[23:31:11] <FloppyDisk> As far as I know.
[23:31:18] <FloppyDisk> I think there are examples, but you need to work it out.
[23:31:49] <witnit> you can even run dual axis so lets say you have a big machine and want to be able to run it from either end
[23:32:07] <witnit> again, limited documentation
[23:32:10] <FloppyDisk> I did read that the old LinuxCNC was able to run headless over ethernet and got removed, but Jeff Epler mentioned he has decided to put it in...
[23:32:23] <FloppyDisk> Which would be cool, but not ready for prime time...
[23:32:34] <witnit> yeah, but it should not be in the main pool of pncconf :P
[23:32:43] <witnit> people would burn down their garages
[23:33:00] <FloppyDisk> I think touch probing is already automated??
[23:33:36] <witnit> welp, off to the shop
[23:33:49] <witnit> never probed b5
[23:33:50] <witnit> b4
[23:33:54] <witnit> take care!
[23:34:00] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, to be honest that would make most sense - to have the "engine" running as a server-like process, and then either GUI or anything really connecting to it trhough some remote API.
[23:35:04] <FloppyDisk> hmpff...
[23:35:28] <FloppyDisk> I think the guru's of LCNC have probably ahd that conversation, of which it would hurt my head w/ the specifics.
[23:35:51] <FloppyDisk> That's the NML commands I spoke of (illusive, like dark matter (j/k)).
[23:36:30] <FloppyDisk> or gravity waves, too...
[23:37:05] <LeelooMinai> I mostly need to control the hardware part - that is the mesa controller remotelly and all the motion. Do not care that much about the actual GUI app.
[23:37:08] <FloppyDisk> If you might, look around the developers manual and wiki and linuxcnc forum. You'll find pieces, maybe you can piece more of it together for the rest of us schmoes..
[23:37:40] <FloppyDisk> That sounds a bit like the ssh might work for you.
[23:37:57] <FloppyDisk> I think you can do a bunch of stuff command line, and load programs that way...
[23:38:09] <FloppyDisk> gcode programs, the way it is now.
[23:38:38] <LeelooMinai> Will need to read more about the command line tools.
[23:38:50] <FloppyDisk> anyway, I'm no expert, just stumbled across conversations and notes about it.
[23:39:40] <FloppyDisk> If/when I would get to that, I'd read up, then ask some decent Q's on parts I don't understand... You'd get help, just that this is not a hot topic. I think...
[23:43:28] <tiwake> dododo
[23:43:32] <tiwake> ponies