#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-05-14

[01:14:28] <witnit> I want emc to work on this so badly http://www.embeddedworks.net/empc434.html
[01:17:17] <FloppyDisk> witnit - what am I missing, that empc434 only has a 266Mhz processor, seems slow to run LCNC.
[01:17:40] <XXCoder> its compact I guess
[01:17:46] <FloppyDisk> Mmmm, nice...
[01:17:55] <XXCoder> oddly enough my CHiP has better states
[01:17:58] <XXCoder> AND smaller
[01:18:21] <FloppyDisk> Sorry, what's a CHiP? Not familiar w/ it?
[01:18:29] <XXCoder> hold on a sec
[01:18:40] <XXCoder> http://getchip.com/
[01:19:27] <witnit> I was thinking about running the machine without local controls and have gremlin_view take up that whole screen :)
[01:20:27] <FloppyDisk> Sounds like machine kit type install. I read JEmpler was going to go for the headless connection, so that might help you.
[01:20:45] <FloppyDisk> Headless = remote NML commands (if I got that right?).
[01:22:08] <witnit> FloppyDisk: yeah maybe, I wasnt sure which route I was going to go with, i think the machine will be a set and forget type, but it would be nice to have a quickview of the part it is running locally on the machine
[01:22:32] <witnit> maybe some other feed back such as tool changes and cycles
[01:25:49] <witnit> maybe I need something like this and just a better pc nearby running axis http://tinyurl.com/zmde29l
[01:29:41] <FloppyDisk> what about machine kit and a beagle-bone. People are already doing that, w/ the headless setup.
[01:31:11] <FloppyDisk> It's small, it's linux, it's machine control... :-)
[01:32:11] <FloppyDisk> I never knew looking for hinges for a small cabinet could be so painful... These guys need drawings so you can get all the 'stuff' to go w/ them.
[01:33:29] <FloppyDisk> Well - stuff is just screws, but I'd like to know if I got the right screw size/length in my bin before the hinge arrives.
[01:33:52] <minibnz> hi all looking at getting a mesa card for my cnc setup. this one http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=301
[01:33:52] <minibnz> it works out to be $270au including the postage.. anyone know of a reseller that might have sane shippig rates.. these guys want from $55 upto $400 for a pci card sshipped to australia..
[01:34:50] <minibnz> thats $55us shipping :(
[01:36:01] <minibnz> i looked on ebay and found none.. google only finds mesa as a seller.. so unless someone knows any better i will order thru mesanet.
[01:38:41] <FloppyDisk> Try JT's store: http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=62
[01:39:39] <FloppyDisk> There's a European reseller as well. minibnz^
[01:41:08] <FloppyDisk> Here you go - the European seller: http://eusurplus.com/
[01:41:32] <FloppyDisk> eusurplus had a nice 'install' section w/ a bunch of screen shots, haven't looked at it recently though, that's how I found it.
[01:44:05] <minibnz> first link has shipping rates that are better but not in stock :(.. second link has stock but comes out to about the same as the main seller :)
[01:44:21] <minibnz> thanks for the links though.. muchly appreciated....
[01:46:04] <minibnz> i should have looked better for their reseller links at the bottom of one of the pages. :)
[01:47:22] <minibnz> there is a new zealand reseller listed. might see what they want for a card before i order.
[01:58:42] <witnit> minibnz: you should order hundreds and become a reseller yourself =D
[02:03:26] <minibnz> hahahaha they wont accept a credit card order of more than $1000.. so that could be a lot of transactions :)
[02:56:02] <Deejay> moin
[02:56:41] <witnit> mojn!
[02:57:00] <Deejay> hi witnit ;)
[03:00:14] <XXCoder> yo
[03:19:51] <zeeshan> damn that was a good party
[03:20:01] <zeeshan> i had the garage all active
[03:20:08] <zeeshan> and also the house occupied :D
[03:20:37] <zeeshan> XXCoder: hows the router running
[03:21:04] <XXCoder> zeeshan: its not now, did partial disassembly to reverse engineer in order to make adoptor plates
[03:21:14] <zeeshan> ah
[03:21:17] <XXCoder> luckly design is surpising simple
[03:21:51] <XXCoder> bolt holes pattern is 63 mm apart, at 1 cm down, 2 cm down and finally 4 cm down
[03:21:58] <XXCoder> total of 6 bolts
[03:22:32] <XXCoder> 70 mm bolt pattern was too close together and I got stuck, till archivist gave me idea to make not one, but TWO adoptor plates
[03:23:07] <XXCoder> bury the first bolts, and high enough that 70 mm bolt pattern wont conflict with z block bolts
[03:23:14] <XXCoder> lemme get pics a sec
[03:23:48] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2016-05-13_04-35-another-uKXSIDQU.1463139413.png http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2016-05-13_04-52-42yeah-ikv871kH.1463140408.png
[03:24:13] <XXCoder> first is bottom plate, with 6 bolt ons, with tapped center 4 bolt holes
[03:24:42] <XXCoder> second bolts to previous adoptor, and has 4 tapped holes for 52 mm clamp to be bolted on to.
[03:26:11] <XXCoder> I probably need to make both plates slightly bigger so there is no bolt overhang. what ya think zeeshan
[03:27:37] <zeeshan> adapter :P
[03:27:48] <XXCoder> adoptor lol
[03:27:50] <zeeshan> looks good
[03:28:09] <XXCoder> yeah though I probably can get away with getting between bolts pattern little bit wider
[03:28:20] <XXCoder> closer to edges means stronger
[03:28:28] <XXCoder> to a point anyway
[04:01:38] <mase-tech> Good morning
[04:02:04] <mase-tech> Good sleep + coffee = win :D
[04:59:17] <XXCoder> wanna know something weird?
[05:00:20] <XXCoder> guess not
[06:04:43] <maxcnc> hi all from a nice Germany
[06:09:02] <SpeedEvil> hi
[06:15:17] <XXCoder> and bye apparently
[06:15:33] <XXCoder> hey SpeedEvil how ya
[06:16:25] <SpeedEvil> Pondering turning compost.
[06:17:00] <somenewguy> run out of bar stock?
[06:17:20] <XXCoder> thats some tough turnable compost.
[06:18:21] <SpeedEvil> Not that way :)
[06:19:03] <SpeedEvil> A stone-resistant quiet light easy to make cheap shredder would be nice though
[06:19:13] <somenewguy> yeah
[06:19:40] <somenewguy> I just turned about half a yard of the stuff last weekend, mulched a ton of leaves w/ the lawnmower and mixed in some more manuer
[06:20:13] <somenewguy> kinda regret not grabbing that derilict mulcher that was at the dump last spring, needed some love but it was a 40s vintage small industrial machine, woulda been way faster than the lawn mower
[06:20:28] <somenewguy> 'Light' was def not a descriptor tho
[06:21:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:31:15] <somenewguy> I had only just moved out to the country here and did not recognize the value of that relic when I saw it
[06:35:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Your next "headlamp".... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJQ2fo4poU
[06:43:58] <XXCoder> pretty nice
[06:44:18] <XXCoder> dinky compared to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vgNh3fLxJc
[06:44:46] <XXCoder> seriously they should rent that thing out to cops when they need to look for something
[06:44:50] <XXCoder> oh thats wrong one
[06:45:11] <XXCoder> loading very slowly
[06:47:44] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JVqRy0sWWY
[06:57:08] <jthornton> 12.585714286 stone this morning... getting close
[06:57:24] <Tom_itx> you gonna blow away one of these days
[06:57:36] <Tom_itx> (doesn't take much in Ks) :D
[06:58:02] <jthornton> I'm actually feeling way better at a lower gravitational attraction
[06:58:20] <jthornton> what is that programmer for? I forgot
[06:58:32] <Tom_itx> to program 8bit avr chips
[06:58:56] <jthornton> like atmega
[06:58:57] <Tom_itx> ISP, PDI or TPI formats which covers the 8bit lineup
[06:58:59] <Tom_itx> yes
[06:59:18] <jthornton> cool, I need to learn how to use it
[06:59:23] <Tom_itx> PDI is for the xmegas
[06:59:37] <Tom_itx> TPI is for the 6pin attiny 4 5 9 10 etc chips
[07:00:28] <Tom_itx> it's been quite a while for me...
[07:01:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_User_manual_index.php
[07:01:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[07:02:01] <jthornton> thanks
[07:02:40] <jthornton> what about the atmega328?
[07:02:53] <Tom_itx> yup, in fact i use that in the tutorials
[07:03:10] <Tom_itx> err... same family
[07:03:15] <Tom_itx> it just has more flash
[07:03:17] <jthornton> ok
[07:03:22] <Tom_itx> same pinout
[07:09:52] <Tom_itx> the pinout for the programmer is there as well
[08:54:38] <Polymorphism> why can't linuxcnc use usb?
[08:54:45] <Polymorphism> I could build rpi controller...
[08:54:54] <Polymorphism> I must build a full size pc?
[08:55:48] <Polymorphism> I just did a search for "mini itx parallel" and linuxcnc came up first xD
[08:56:17] <archivist> USB has too much latency
[08:57:51] <Polymorphism> what about this product? http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5302c451e4b00ab54929f137/t/531c4b56e4b0b2e403897731/1394363223386/smoothstepper.jpg
[08:57:58] <Polymorphism> usb///ethernet smoothstepper
[08:58:03] <archivist> USB is why some people break stuff on mach
[08:58:23] <Polymorphism> damn
[09:01:47] <archivist> a buffered system has a design error if it cannot handle underflow, (machine moving data not ready)
[09:05:39] <Duc> thought you were ordering the chinese system
[09:13:22] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to figure out how I will drive it
[09:13:39] <Polymorphism> my friend has a spare PC I can have but I think it's too slow
[09:14:02] <Polymorphism> the ideal would be to use my laptop somehow but it looks like I need to build a suitable pc w/ parallel so I'm investigating that now
[09:15:02] <Sync> you can get away with some pretty pathetic pcs
[09:16:18] <archivist> well stepper and parallel port needs a better pc than mesa card and servo
[09:23:30] <Duc> I usually buy a cheap computer off ebay for that
[09:23:36] <Duc> runs about 75 dollars
[09:24:16] <archivist> I use freecycle and ebay for cheap PCs
[09:24:27] <Polymorphism> I forgot about freecycle, I'll check there
[09:24:34] <Polymorphism> maybe craigslist too
[09:28:24] <Duc> never heard of freecycle
[09:30:58] <BeachBumPete> can't imagine why you would want to buy an old used PC when building a brand new quality PC from parts online is SO inexpensive nowadays. Plus you can build it the way YOU want it...
[09:31:58] <Duc> I see your point
[09:32:10] <Duc> I do need to purchase a 6I25 to use in my newer pc
[09:32:35] <archivist> BeachBumPete, so inexpensive!, tell that to people with little/no earnings for weeks
[09:33:23] <BeachBumPete> hehe you mean like me?
[09:33:44] <archivist> and me
[09:48:01] <Duc> but retirement must e nice
[09:49:03] <archivist> I am under retirement age
[09:50:40] <BeachBumPete> retirement? What's that?
[09:56:13] <Duc> the point were you dont have to work 40+ hrs a week
[10:01:41] <tiwake> nobody has to
[10:02:11] <tiwake> 1 hour of work is enough for food for one day
[10:02:21] <Duc> but I like having money for toys
[10:02:47] <tiwake> thats where you need 40+ hours of work to support :3
[10:03:22] <Sync> o0 tiwake
[10:04:06] <Duc> yep
[10:05:35] <Sync> the job I do about 3 weeks a year fully supports my toys
[10:06:02] <maxcnc> hi
[10:06:03] <tiwake> why? does it pay the bills for your machine shop? :D
[10:06:18] <maxcnc> work done for today
[10:06:20] <Sync> basically
[10:06:33] <tiwake> give me a lathe and a mill, all my toys will pop up over time magically
[10:07:16] <maxcnc> tiwake: if the folks around you know you got a M and a L then your toys might be in far futher
[10:07:38] <Sync> wouldn't want to do it for a lot longer each year tho
[10:07:57] <Duc> there is the upgrades to the mill and lathe and then tools
[10:08:05] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: still no mashine
[10:08:08] <Duc> so 2 hours per day to pay for that stuff
[10:08:45] <maxcnc> im here counting the days till i close the shop
[10:09:30] <Duc> and how much longer do you have
[10:09:40] <maxcnc> 1.Aug
[10:10:03] <Duc> and what are you doing with all the tools
[10:10:13] <maxcnc> my brother comes back
[10:10:43] <Duc> so he is taking over then
[10:11:16] <maxcnc> its his shop all the time i just run it for the time he is off
[10:11:48] <maxcnc> the rome projekt failed to build a small town i the middle of nowhee
[10:11:57] <maxcnc> 5years expected
[10:12:12] <maxcnc> now 3years in it will be stopped
[10:12:38] <maxcnc> stopped on the level it is supposed to run not intire
[10:13:32] <maxcnc> GOV thinks that the public money will be a boost and open terain also
[10:13:42] <tiwake> fail
[10:14:00] <tiwake> government always thinks more government fixes everything
[10:14:46] <maxcnc> GOV pays ,Gov directs
[10:15:48] <maxcnc> scientific project in secret is only grapping money
[10:17:00] <SpeedEvil> Or blowing up japan
[10:17:23] <tiwake> at least it worked :P
[10:17:31] <maxcnc> by time i think they came far 3Living houses 1Church,1watermill and the working facilities Timber,Stone,Iren
[10:18:43] <maxcnc> I personly will be impressed if he comes out the Fence Goes to the Shop Boots up the LCNC plasma and makes a G-code
[10:18:56] <maxcnc> after 3years without any electron
[10:22:30] <maxcnc> ok close till maybe later
[10:58:49] <Duc> has anyone played with a Hitachi WJ200 inverter for the advance functions
[10:59:20] <BeachBumPete> I have played with mine but I still don't know jack squat about it. :D
[11:00:20] <Duc> was reading the manual some and it can do vector sensorless or encoder feedback to maintain speed
[11:01:50] <BeachBumPete> yeah it is quite capable but I have an odd sort of motor setup and my spindle runs 2-1 ratio and I am using the modbus control which apparently will not work for positioning so I am going to have to change BACK to analog control functions thus I wil be doing a LOT more learning about the damn thing here soon as I can get the VMC back setup in my new shop :D
[11:02:39] <Duc> right now I use mine in Analog setup with no feedback to motor so it bogs down during cuts.
[11:03:44] <BeachBumPete> I have encoder feedback on mine and I only get bogging down if I REALLY screw up something in the program
[11:05:17] <Duc> are you using a closed loop on the spindle setup then? and what is your HP of motor
[11:05:39] <BeachBumPete> yeah it is a 10hp motor
[11:05:52] <Duc> Yea I pushing a 2hp motor. LOL
[11:07:41] <Duc> i wish i had 10 hp
[11:07:53] <BeachBumPete> shouldn't matter what the HP is but there are LOTS of settings and power curves in the unit
[11:08:15] <newcnc22> I want to upgrade my CNC with a waterjet. Does anyone know how much I have to spend if I want to do this?
[11:08:21] <BeachBumPete> unfortunately I am NO expert about how it all works. I had help setting mine up
[11:10:45] <Duc> I will have to try out the vector sensorless first since I dont have a enocder on the motor shaft but on the spindle itself
[11:11:08] <Duc> newcnc22: what kind of cnc. Waterjet is expensive to setup for a reason
[11:11:28] <Duc> nozzle alone is $1000 before plumbing and valves
[11:12:12] <archivist> and pump and tank etc
[11:13:47] <archivist> I am not aware f a homebrew water jet yet
[11:13:52] <archivist> f of
[11:14:40] <Duc> at one point I had a design 5 paper from some kids in Mechanical engineering that made a cheap unit with a air compressor run pump
[11:15:08] <Duc> but cheap is relative.
[11:16:29] <Duc> brb Have to go rent a bigger storage shed and move some crap over there
[11:17:21] <BeachBumPete> someone needs to invent an EXPANDABLE storage building
[11:17:32] <mase-tech> Hey peps
[11:17:40] <mase-tech> how u like this machine ?
[11:17:41] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/HERMLE-Fraesmaschine-Hobbyfraesmaschine-Universalfraesmaschine-/272239072269?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6543#shpCntId
[11:18:25] <mase-tech> OLD and stable ?
[11:19:18] <archivist> that is good old iron
[11:19:55] <mase-tech> You like it ?
[11:20:06] <mase-tech> wow that is a good sign :)
[11:20:40] <mase-tech> is this machine also worth to add some electronics ?
[11:20:52] <mase-tech> to convert to cnc ?
[11:21:06] <archivist> or even keep manual
[11:21:48] <mase-tech> 600 kg thats a lot
[11:22:00] <mase-tech> massive attack
[11:22:44] <archivist> it is about the size of one of my mills
[11:23:29] <mase-tech> what I like about this machine it is old
[11:23:45] <archivist> mine is 1942
[11:25:51] <Sync> it is pretty lightweight but on par with deckels
[11:26:04] <Sync> and you get the vertical head, which is neat
[11:26:12] <Sync> the problem is the samll travel
[11:26:57] <archivist> I would call that large travel compared to what he has been looking at :)
[11:27:42] <mase-tech> Acknowlegde my imptrovement :)
[11:30:42] <CaptHindsight> here's a cookie
[11:31:23] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: pour a big slab, build out as you grow
[11:31:53] <CaptHindsight> a friend added on to his garage 4 times, it was eventually 25' x 125'
[11:32:58] <BeachBumPete> that's the plan stan :D
[11:33:15] <BeachBumPete> assuming of course we ever can actually close on the damn house LOL
[11:33:32] <CaptHindsight> anal bank officer?
[11:33:45] <BeachBumPete> Oh man you have NO IDEA
[11:34:37] <BeachBumPete> that and the lovely laws they have put in place since the crash makes it just ridiculous
[11:34:56] <CaptHindsight> not surprised banks have become similar to churches and public schools, they have way too much leeway when it comes to making up their own rules
[11:35:50] <BeachBumPete> you would not believe the pre employment stuff my wife had to go thru and she actually used to work at the same place years ago...
[11:36:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm in the courts now over retarded banking crap
[11:36:32] <BeachBumPete> you have my sympathies
[11:37:35] <CaptHindsight> blood test, drug test, background check, interviews with last employer and neighbors, political affiliations and shoe size?
[11:37:54] <BeachBumPete> yeah to begin with
[11:38:00] <CaptHindsight> all this to work at Wendy's :)
[11:38:37] <CaptHindsight> anything to find an excuse if they really don't want someone
[11:39:19] <BeachBumPete> well thats just it they offered her the job even before we left tennessee :D
[11:39:28] <Sync> CaptHindsight: if my employer would ask for a drug or blood test I'd tell him to gtfo hard
[11:39:45] <CaptHindsight> Sync: it's nuts here
[11:40:40] <BeachBumPete> well she is a nurse so that is NOT happening LOL
[11:40:43] <CaptHindsight> Sync: they want very specific types working for some co's
[11:41:16] <CaptHindsight> obedient mainly
[11:41:48] <Sync> well, they can ask me, but I would not do it for them, it is none of their business
[11:41:49] <gregcnc> i think you need to pass a drug test that confirms you're using to work at some mainly "upscale" grocery
[11:41:57] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: and yet how many deaths are caused by incompetent staff? Not referring to your wife :)
[11:42:34] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: they all seem pretty stoned don't they
[11:42:56] <CaptHindsight> have you been to Fresh Thyme?
[11:43:08] <gregcnc> no but my wife tells me about every trip
[11:43:13] <CaptHindsight> heh
[11:43:13] <gregcnc> that' place too
[11:43:26] <gregcnc> TJ whole paycheck
[11:43:30] <CaptHindsight> you might have to prove you or your parents are hippies to work there
[11:44:27] <Sync> BeachBumPete: the medical community is interesting, because they are all on something
[11:44:42] <gregcnc> I don't get it, it doesn't seem to interfere much with business
[11:45:31] <CaptHindsight> my sister used to manage the dialysis dept at a major hospital in Chicago...
[11:45:54] <CaptHindsight> just about every day some nurse would screw up
[11:46:25] <CaptHindsight> not actually turn on the filtering, not add meds, wrong meds
[11:47:01] <CaptHindsight> and it was difficult to fire them, you had a to build a long enough case
[11:47:07] <CaptHindsight> sometimes months
[11:47:39] <BeachBumPete> thats actually kind of hard to believe with the amount of regulations they have and the procedural nausea they have instituted in most medical facilities
[11:48:02] <CaptHindsight> they just make better idiots
[11:48:36] <Sync> you'd think it would be BeachBumPete
[11:48:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/newsroom/display/hospitalerrors-thirdleading-causeofdeathinus-improvementstooslow
[11:49:16] <CaptHindsight> ^^ that was oct 2013
[11:51:40] <CaptHindsight> Sync: drug test here are pretty common for any job, even burger flipping
[11:52:47] <CaptHindsight> if you have a felony on your record then your options are really limited
[11:53:27] <CaptHindsight> mover, lawn care, car wash etc
[11:53:38] <gregcnc> might still be able to land IL political job
[11:53:57] <BeachBumPete> ROFL
[11:53:58] <Sync> CaptHindsight: they don't need to know, it is not their business
[11:54:02] <CaptHindsight> was going say CEO or politician
[11:54:17] <Sync> if there is no conflict of interest, nobody is going to know
[11:54:28] <CaptHindsight> Sync: they have been slowly boiling the frog here
[11:54:42] <CaptHindsight> getting everyone used to it
[11:54:54] <CaptHindsight> no drug test, no job
[11:56:55] <gregcnc> I think they just want to see if you can hold yourself together for a month
[11:57:02] <Sync> that's fine, I would not want to work there anyway
[11:57:17] <CaptHindsight> Sync: it's difficult to find a lawyer here to even help you push back
[11:57:28] <Jymmm> And no federally funded job even if legal in the state
[11:59:15] <CaptHindsight> the lawyers don't want to be seen as boat rockers
[12:00:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: was that in regards to what I said?
[12:00:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: no, it was an addition to what i was saying
[12:00:53] <Jymmm> ah
[12:01:39] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you're a doodoo head, that's how I'd comment to you :)
[12:01:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: gooney goo goo
[12:02:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you get all your wiring sorted out for the outside?
[12:04:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Heh, no. It started raining pretty hard and DAMN cold/snow, then priorities charged. Actually a good thing, because now considering adding points to backfeed generator
[12:04:33] <Jymmm> oh, and gophers
[12:05:06] <CaptHindsight> sounds like you could open a zoo
[12:05:16] <CaptHindsight> or nature center
[12:05:53] <Jymmm> MntLion spotted a few weeks ago, and a bear last week, so yeah you're probably right.
[12:06:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how much sun do you get? More or less than Germany
[12:06:20] <gregcnc> whereabouts is this?
[12:07:17] <CaptHindsight> http://qz.com/680661/germany-had-so-much-renewable-energy-on-sunday-that-it-had-to-pay-people-to-use-electricity/ funny how solar just can't work in the USA :)
[12:07:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, my roof is open to the sky, but depending on time of day/year it's short lived by yhe shadows of the neighboring trees.
[12:08:24] <DaViruz> renewable energy meeting demand for one hour on a single day does not mean it "works" :P
[12:08:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef
[12:09:19] <CaptHindsight> that article was bit misleading
[12:09:35] <CaptHindsight> like it was free for a week/day
[12:10:09] <BeachBumPete> https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/5550719861.html Hey look!! For the paltry sum of $13999 you too can be Don Johnson :D
[12:11:03] <CaptHindsight> his other car was a "testosterosa"
[12:11:19] <BeachBumPete> GOD I love that show ;)
[12:11:27] <_methods> just when you think they can't make miata's any gayer
[12:11:56] <BeachBumPete> MIATA'S ROCK!!! You sir are a troglodyte
[12:12:05] <_methods> hahah
[12:12:47] <Jymmm> _methods: total chick cars
[12:13:06] <_methods> even chicks have too much pride to own a miata
[12:14:10] <_methods> it's always some bisexual car tuner dude ridin in one
[12:14:18] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: I have a closet full of 80's wear if you're interested :)
[12:14:24] <_methods> heheh
[12:14:46] <BeachBumPete> not interested in your pink tutu's man
[12:15:18] <CaptHindsight> just wear a t-shirt with any sportcoat, nobody will notice
[12:15:29] <BeachBumPete> http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/cars-sale-trade-6/63614d1357344682-1999-mazda-bad-ass-miata-$27k-neg-287857_437128759652654_442528323_o.jpg
[12:15:45] <BeachBumPete> oh yeah is that how you pulled it off?
[12:15:51] <CaptHindsight> what earlier car was the Miata based on?
[12:16:00] <_methods> if you zoom in you can see his boyfriend giving him a blow job in that miata pic
[12:16:03] <BeachBumPete> the miata
[12:16:12] <CaptHindsight> didb't Mazda buy the old prints and tooling from someone
[12:17:55] <Sync> lies _methods
[12:18:06] <_methods> hahah made you look
[12:18:19] <BeachBumPete> no idea but they DID build one of the best handling chassis EVER and people race the bejeesus out of them on every weekend all over the world..
[12:20:21] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5 factory versions were powered by washing machine engines
[12:20:35] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAswsM2g5Zo I need to get some of these
[12:21:19] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Wikipedia seems to think it was all-new.
[12:21:35] <gregcnc> eunos must be a play on eunuch
[12:22:09] <BeachBumPete> wikipedia also says it is a very Manly masculine vehicle and the choice of macho dudes the world over
[12:22:15] <andypugh> Some Mazdas share a platform with some Fords (Mazda 6 = Focus, I think) but those are joint development and contemperaneous.
[12:22:33] <FloppyDisk> BeachBumPete - that car might need a new set of tires, just a thought.
[12:22:47] <FloppyDisk> ie - the race one.
[12:22:48] <BeachBumPete> meh tires are overrated
[12:22:57] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: been 30+ years but I recall the talk back then...
[12:23:37] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elan
[12:23:44] <andypugh> Seems unlikely, what could they have based it on?
[12:24:11] <gregcnc> lotus are glued together mainly?
[12:24:24] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5#Design_genesis
[12:24:53] <DaViruz> lotus elise is. far from all lotuses
[12:25:09] <gregcnc> oh yeah elise sounds right
[12:25:33] <andypugh> The elise came out after the MX5
[12:26:13] <CaptHindsight> ok so just styled after
[12:26:59] <andypugh> Though there is a link between the Elise and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Speedster
[12:27:16] <DaViruz> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Lotus_Elan_car_chassis.jpg
[12:27:25] <DaViruz> http://www.corksport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2.jpg
[12:27:30] <DaViruz> some similarities
[12:27:49] <andypugh> Yeah, the Elan is a chassis and plastic body, the MX5 is a monocoque.
[12:28:02] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: was watching a show earlier today featuring the F-150 assembly line
[12:28:16] <CaptHindsight> is your factory similar?
[12:28:17] <zeeshan> had a bunch of people over yesterday
[12:28:21] <zeeshan> one of my friends is a mx5 fan :p
[12:28:24] <zeeshan> has too many
[12:28:44] <Sync> I like the frame on the elan
[12:29:35] <DaViruz> it looks like it would have pretty poor torsional stiffness
[12:29:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOVse3YUrQI F-150 Assembly Line
[12:29:37] <andypugh> DaViruz: No functional similarities. There is no stiffness to the MX5 drivetrain shown there, look, for example, at the suspension mounts and what they connect to
[12:29:46] <DaViruz> andypugh: yeah i know
[12:30:00] <DaViruz> but it does stay together like a unit to some degree
[12:30:24] <DaViruz> which is a little unusual
[12:31:58] <Sync> the elan frame is a huge box, I suspect it is actually not bad
[12:32:12] <andypugh> DaViruz: It seems to have a torque tube/arm rather than rely on the suspension entirely to react drive torque.
[12:32:33] <DaViruz> it's not very huge compared to a monocoque or a tube frame
[12:32:37] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I imagine so, I actually almost never go anywhere near the manufacturng plants.
[12:33:16] <andypugh> Time to hunt down some lunch.
[12:33:27] <DaViruz> seems late for lunch
[12:33:50] <CaptHindsight> better late than never
[12:33:53] <gregcnc> it's lunch time in detroit
[12:34:08] <DaViruz> it's 6 in the evening in the uk :)
[12:34:10] <CaptHindsight> after 1
[12:34:24] <CaptHindsight> speaking of lunch
[12:34:30] <gregcnc> yeah me too
[12:35:04] <gregcnc> unless andy hopped a plane last night he's still in motor city
[12:36:11] <DaViruz> oh
[12:37:17] <CaptHindsight> build delays, so he said he's stuck there for another week
[12:37:34] <CaptHindsight> could be worse, could somalia
[12:44:10] <CaptHindsight> or texas :)
[12:45:47] <Sync> just watched the chrysler transmission assy video
[12:45:55] <Sync> efficiency--
[12:47:35] <CaptHindsight> the 8-speed?
[12:49:03] <Sync> idk, some automagic box
[12:49:27] <Sync> but they have a person guiding every fastener station
[12:49:43] <Sync> and need two persons to insert the gear assembly
[12:49:59] <Sync> one operating the lifting aid, one scanning the barcode and do some checking
[12:52:50] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/447sSED91v0?t=2m56s looks the magneto turnoff getting installed
[12:54:43] <CaptHindsight> I like the 8-12 fasteners at once jig https://youtu.be/447sSED91v0?t=4m42s
[13:01:05] <maxcnc> hi
[13:01:14] <maxcnc> geting cold tonight in germany
[13:01:20] <maxcnc> below zero
[13:01:48] <BeachBumPete> meh isn't it like summer almost?
[13:02:57] <maxcnc> last week yes 25C +
[13:03:21] <maxcnc> but this weekend we will get the polar brees back from iceland
[13:03:34] <BeachBumPete> huh what's that exactly like 25 cucumbers?
[13:04:03] <maxcnc> 77F
[13:04:15] <BeachBumPete> OH nice and warm
[13:09:41] <Deejay> somewhat frosty outside. only 10°C
[13:09:42] <Tom_itx> it's ~45 here this AM
[13:12:20] * Jymmm read that as MINUS 45
[13:12:27] <Jymmm> not about
[13:13:50] <Deejay> lol
[13:13:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Did you see your new "flashlight"?
[13:14:13] <Tom_itx> yeah but it's not waterproof/resistant
[13:14:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: foam-in-a-can?
[13:15:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm still tryign to figure out what to do with 10W LED modules I have
[13:16:12] <Jymmm> blindingly bright and very very floody
[13:16:28] <Jymmm> and hotter than hell too. MUST USE HEATSINK
[13:16:42] <Tom_itx> use em for headlights
[13:17:03] <Jymmm> I have an LED lightbar for that already
[13:17:22] <Jymmm> It's mounted behind the grill
[13:17:25] <maxcnc> hi oc2k1
[13:17:39] <Jymmm> Wired to highbeam switch
[13:19:48] <BeachBumPete> behind the grill of your pushmower?
[13:20:01] <Sync> CaptHindsight: yeah the fastener jig is nice but you could completely automate that
[13:20:06] <Sync> no need for the operator
[13:21:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://imgur.com/ceL7w89
[13:22:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Got tired of almost hitting Bambi 6 times in a month.
[13:24:18] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is that LED bar more spot or flood?
[13:24:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The outter 12 LED's on each end are "flood", the rest are "spot"
[13:25:11] <Jymmm> err outter 6 on each end
[13:25:29] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: have you seen a Spot only version?
[13:25:31] <Jymmm> it's really a diffuser on each end, but exact same led's
[13:25:40] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[13:25:59] <CaptHindsight> so you could remove the diffuser for all spot
[13:26:32] <Jymmm> Well, it's actually the reflecter that's different.
[13:26:58] <Sync> well no shit, with your frosted lenses that you hit bambi so often
[13:27:07] <Jymmm> you really can't tell the deifference, they just call them "flood"
[13:29:21] <maxcnc> im analysing the CNC elektronik from the past
[13:29:30] <maxcnc> here is a pic http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/elek_1985.jpg
[13:29:37] <maxcnc> CNc just in to retrofit
[13:30:02] <maxcnc> there are 2pcb cards on etch stepper
[13:30:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You asked me this before, but you were illusive on the application, so i couldn't offer any suggestions.
[13:30:31] <maxcnc> signal is a pwm to the cards
[13:31:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: spot light on front like yours, very directional, not flood
[13:33:19] <CaptHindsight> I have 100W cold blue LED arrays, I can easily make one with 10 arrays but I don't have time to make everything
[13:37:17] <maxcnc> im off have a nice weekend
[13:37:20] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:38:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: http://postimg.org/image/extkzwfe9/ http://postimg.org/image/h07ujdhip/
[13:38:49] <CaptHindsight> 100-300W white led array
[13:39:27] <CaptHindsight> what do they use in your LED bar? 10W leds?
[13:40:24] <Deejay> 300W? will it melt?
[13:41:25] <CaptHindsight> nah, you just mount it on a hunk of aluminum or heat exchanger
[14:04:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: blue light?
[14:07:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Wait, 30,000 WATT ?!?!?!
[14:08:33] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Not 100*300. From 100-300
[14:08:51] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[14:10:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, 10W and cc drivers
[14:10:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Whats the application though?
[14:32:05] <eeriegeek> what do you call the bearings that have angle rollers for axial and radial loading?
[14:33:13] <eeriegeek> ah, tapered-roller....
[14:38:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: cool-ish white vs warm
[14:39:18] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: same app as yours, vehicle front, blind driver via rear view mirror ahead of vehicle with spot LED
[14:39:59] <CaptHindsight> maybe 10X 100W LED at most
[14:40:59] <CaptHindsight> i use mainly 385-410nm UV versions but sometime they send me 100W cool whites for free along with the drivers
[14:45:17] <Simonious> so.. I've got two sketches that say, "This sketch contains dimensions or relations to model geometry which no longer exists. Consider: o Deleting the dangling sketch entities (shown dashed and in dangling color). o Editing the model to restore the missing model geometry." but when I go in to edit these sketches everything looks okay - what am I missing?
[14:47:00] <gregcnc> keep looking
[14:47:23] <Simonious> the sketches are quite simple..
[14:47:35] <gregcnc> it's not lying to you
[14:47:42] <Simonious> one of them is literaly two circles
[14:48:09] <Simonious> I believe you, but I don't see or know how to find the problem.
[14:48:49] <Simonious> I'm confident I could delete both sketches and redraw them identically with no problems, but I shouldn't have to do that, I want to understand what is going on.
[14:49:42] <gregcnc> display/delete relations -> dangling see what's there
[14:51:46] <Simonious> great! solved one, there was a guide line that was parellel to a nonexistant line
[14:53:45] <Simonious> on the trail of the other.
[14:54:08] <Simonious> and got em, thanks!
[15:07:57] <Deejay> gn8
[15:10:31] * jthornton weighs out 62 grains of cure #1 on the powder scale
[15:11:37] <_methods> makin some sassage
[15:11:55] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/recipes/beef/soy-jerky.html
[15:11:55] <_methods> i just got a couple new bottles of cure #1 and #2
[15:12:50] <jthornton> I need to make some deer snack sticks, do you have a good recipe?
[15:12:59] <Simonious> yum!
[15:14:02] <_methods> love jerky
[15:55:41] <Duc> ok have a schedule apt to see the burned up cold saw
[15:56:11] <FloppyDisk> http://www.rileysjerky.com/ has the best peppered jerky... Cajun and Jalepeno isn't bad, but peppered is the best...
[15:59:36] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: they like carrots
[16:02:30] <zeeshan> you are a carrot!
[16:05:42] <zeeshan> man
[16:05:44] <zeeshan> i must have good eyes
[16:05:49] <zeeshan> randomly looking at a milling vise ad
[16:05:53] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/hamilton/milling-vise-cnc-or-manual-metal-machining-vises/1144478325?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[16:05:53] <mase-tech> Anybody use ePlan p8 at work ?
[16:06:00] <zeeshan> i spot an identical vise to mine
[16:06:01] <zeeshan> !
[16:14:01] <Duc> zeeshan: any clue how you only burn the top of a cold saw http://huntsville.craigslist.org/tls/5584760886.html
[16:14:31] <zeeshan> doesnt look bunred
[16:14:47] <zeeshan> looks PERFECT!
[16:14:48] <zeeshan> haha
[16:14:49] <zeeshan> jk
[16:15:14] <zeeshan> prolly was powered off an oversize breaker
[16:15:30] <zeeshan> *cause of
[16:18:16] <Sync> or the motor switch failed
[16:27:24] <Duc> yea not really sure. I would guess he was using oil for lube and it started on fire
[16:27:44] <Duc> since the stand doesnt look burn. Ill know in 2.5 hours what the hell happen
[16:41:47] <joem_> nebody use hsmworks? trying to figure out how to make it not generate tool offset on tool change - those are all programmed into the tool table, and have different values than what hsmworks is trying to use
[16:42:26] <joem_> or
[16:42:38] <joem_> does g43 command ignore the x parameter in linuxcnc
[16:42:44] <joem_> er Z
[16:42:45] <BeachBumPete> have not used it but can you not set it to control
[16:43:40] <joem_> i will look around, probably in post processor settings
[16:44:18] <BeachBumPete> also the order and wording of the commands matters
[16:45:42] <gregcnc> you want to ignore length offset, then how do you implement it in the machine?
[16:48:24] <Duc> why dont you edit the post so it just insert the measurements
[16:49:59] <BeachBumPete> I don't generally use any length offset information in the CAM and just call up the correct tool and instruct it to use that offset, then the control has the TLO information in it and uses it during the program.
[16:53:32] <joem_> gregcnc, selecting height offset from the machine's tool table: g43 h2
[16:53:51] <joem_> vs what the cad is generating: g43 z0.5 h2
[16:54:15] <gregcnc> that z is not an offset
[16:54:22] <joem_> no?
[16:56:54] <gregcnc> as I understand, it is an incremental move used to activate the g43 in some controls
[16:57:39] <gregcnc> otherwise this happens on the next programmed move which can have unexpected results
[16:58:06] <joem_> what happens on next programmed move?
[16:58:20] <joem_> and wehat do you mean by "activate the g43"
[16:58:31] <BeachBumPete> you just need the G43 H2 Z2.
[16:58:55] <joem_> what is the Z parameter in that ?
[16:59:02] <BeachBumPete> I think what he is talking about is a lead in move for cutter compensation offset
[16:59:37] <BeachBumPete> that is just to bring my tool from toolchange height down to 2" above my part before the initial plunge starts at slower feedrate
[17:00:15] <gregcnc> assuming your parts is below Z2.
[17:00:35] <joem_> hmm, my work orientation is set to top center of stock
[17:00:43] <BeachBumPete> yeah part top is typically at Z zero for me
[17:01:06] <gregcnc> Linuxcnc doesn't need a Z move to apply G43 offset. Some machine do
[17:01:15] <joem_> oic
[17:01:18] <BeachBumPete> that is correct as I understand it
[17:01:23] <joem_> that makes sense
[17:01:24] <BeachBumPete> sorry for any confusion
[17:01:42] <joem_> so really, my cam is saying G43 Z0.6 H1
[17:01:43] <joem_> G0 Z0.2
[17:01:44] <gregcnc> you can safely remove the Z from the tool change in your post
[17:01:54] <joem_> apply tool 1's offset, and go to z0.6
[17:02:11] <BeachBumPete> does it work that way?
[17:02:17] <joem_> i duno, let me find out :)
[17:02:32] <BeachBumPete> I would try to put it after or on the next line personally
[17:03:10] <joem_> i can't make heads or tails of the post processor in hsmworks
[17:03:15] <joem_> otherwise i'd just get rid of it hehe
[17:03:21] <joem_> and
[17:03:25] <BeachBumPete> is there a linuxCNC post?
[17:03:28] <joem_> it *is* the linuxcnc post processor that came with hsmworks
[17:03:29] <joem_> yeah
[17:04:26] <gregcnc> a fixed Z move is risky unless you can be sure there will never be a part/fixture there
[17:05:04] <BeachBumPete> that move in my line actually goes to the safe Z height
[17:05:16] <BeachBumPete> typically to clear strap clamps etc.
[17:06:13] <gregcnc> that's fine if you always do things that way. i don't do it that way.
[17:06:32] <BeachBumPete> you don't have to
[17:07:04] <gregcnc> if your routine changes or is so far undefined you have to be careful
[17:07:32] <joem_> ok, just tested, seems that it was just a move, duno why it's put in the middle of that line, but
[17:07:43] <joem_> everything seems in the correct position
[17:07:58] <BeachBumPete> yeah well many CAM packages use this style of movement so I must not be the only one
[17:09:02] <gregcnc> i'm not arguing, but he doen't know what it does. program a Z0 at the bottom of the part and the result is very different
[17:10:24] <BeachBumPete> Of course but we do not know his level or experience nor do I know yours nor you mine... But this is a generally accepted way of starting a program from what I have seen.
[17:12:59] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: h7, gregcnc f9, and that other guys sounds like an arbitrary level e14 :)
[17:13:32] * joem_ is noob
[17:14:04] <BeachBumPete> You really think I am a 7?
[17:14:09] <BeachBumPete> hehehehe
[17:14:10] <CaptHindsight> h7
[17:14:20] <CaptHindsight> surely
[17:14:40] <CaptHindsight> it based on my BS Rubric, just like most schools
[17:18:50] * JT-Shop spots a bum in the hood
[17:19:56] <CaptHindsight> UK bum or US? buttocks or drifter/homeless
[17:31:26] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/VCcp7IY7qj8?t=1m5s Plasma Cutter in Slow Motion
[17:50:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: $36 drama free. get two even... http://www.amazon.com/Motorbike-Motorcycle-Excavator-Bulldozer-Courtyard/dp/B00KQXKG46/
[17:51:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Hell, get four and aim them all at the same point.
[17:51:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Mine is to see the damn deer before they see my windshield.
[17:55:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: where is the power supply? Is it built in?
[17:56:47] <CaptHindsight> I don't want the 60 deg spread just the <30 deg
[18:19:32] <XXCoder> h7 f9 e14 wut
[18:25:22] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: pretty cool
[18:31:25] <Hydrar> So have I understood it right that all I need to start using linuxcnc is a parallel port mobo, preempt_rt kernel and a suitable parallel port stepper driver?
[18:31:42] <Hydrar> Regular steppers without encoders works it looks like
[18:31:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:31:58] <XXCoder> just NOT laptop computer
[18:32:05] <XXCoder> latency should be in good range
[18:33:04] <Hydrar> Yeah I tried on my i7 laptop, latency was horrid
[18:33:48] <Hydrar> Have a small "Kosy" tabletop mill at work that *might* need new controller, the manufacturers program is getting comm errors and e-stopping in the middle of programs at random
[18:33:48] <pcw_home> RTAI is generally better for parallel ports (though Preempt-RT can be close on some hardware)
[18:34:06] <Hydrar> RTAI was just restricted to a old kernel wasn't it?
[18:34:47] <pcw_home> It is older (I think 3.4.something)
[18:35:15] <pcw_home> It is probably ok unless you have very new hardware
[18:35:27] <Hydrar> I have an old P4 motherboard laying around that I could use
[18:35:34] <Hydrar> With a native parallel port
[18:35:57] <pcw_home> Well a 3.4 kernel is new relative to a P4
[18:36:08] <Hydrar> Yeah quite
[18:36:50] <XXCoder> I wonder if seperate parallel card would improve perforance
[18:37:28] <pcw_home> the 3.4.x RTAI kernel seems ok on machines at least a year or two old
[18:37:38] <XXCoder> my computer is 9 years old
[18:37:40] <XXCoder> works gret
[18:37:57] <XXCoder> though i added parallel card since built in one sucks
[18:39:43] <pcw_home> a PCI/PCIE parallel port card is likely to be a bit faster than a LPC motherboard port
[18:40:05] <pcw_home> (and easier to replace if damaged)
[18:40:11] <XXCoder> indeed.
[18:40:36] <XXCoder> lemme see what i bougght
[18:42:32] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Parallel-Controller-Components-SY-PCI10002/dp/B003D7TCZ6
[18:51:29] <Hydrar> Yeah I'll likely try to run that, and a old ATI X1800 or some on radeon driver to keep latency off builtin graphics
[18:57:03] <pcw_home> built-in is often better
[18:58:53] <pcw_home> I think the advice against using built in video is pretty old and does not apply to more modern systems
[19:21:32] <enleth> I may have asked about this before, not sure, but - is it practical to run a linuxcnc box completely headless, controlling it over a non-realtime network?
[19:22:35] <enleth> the GUIs are just X11, that networks well, and unless there's some absolutely horribe design anywhere in it, a little latency on the X connection should not hold up anything important
[19:22:41] <enleth> hal is separate already anyway
[19:23:03] <enleth> so why isn't that the go-to solution?
[19:23:30] <enleth> I mean, getting a motherboard with no VGA adapter at all
[19:31:23] <eeriegeek> Surprisingly few people understand how X11 works, but you also need another X11 server to serve the GUI, and you need networking to work before you can see anything.
[19:34:11] <enleth> I'm among those few then, it seems. Of course the whole point is to have another box as the X11 server, to handle all the non-critical stuff
[19:41:08] <Ralith> enleth: because most machinists aren't experienced sysadmins, I imagine
[19:41:29] <eeriegeek> Don't get me wrong, I think X11 is genius, especially for the 1980s, Its just harder to get configured compared to plugging in a monitor.
[19:46:47] <XXCoder> some aspects of Linux/GNU need to be rebuilt
[19:59:35] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: made up grades, just like most
[19:59:46] <XXCoder> lol ok
[20:00:41] <enleth> eeriegeek: uh, there isn't really anything hard about it if you're already using linux and you're half-competent in it
[20:00:55] <enleth> ssh X11 forwarding works OOTB
[20:01:18] <enleth> Ralith: I guess that's the job of the machine integrator and most of us are one, of sorts
[20:02:26] <jdh> 99% of X users never use the network features
[20:03:28] <enleth> but you don't even have to turn them on
[20:03:32] <enleth> they're already on
[20:04:07] <enleth> so this is really a no-brainer, you just have to become aware of the fact that they're there, and of the 3-line usage guide
[20:04:41] <enleth> half of which just happened for anyone here who wasn't aware yet
[20:04:51] <enleth> the other half they can figure out, I'm sure of it
[20:06:57] <jdh> I agree and have no problem with it. but, almost nobody uses it, afaik anyway
[20:14:05] <Ralith> people *can* do all sorts of wonderful things
[20:14:07] <Ralith> mostly they don't
[20:14:27] <Polymorphism> X11 forwarding? I need that
[20:14:37] <Ralith> if you were to volunteer to write up a step-by-step howto you might get a few converts
[20:26:22] <renesis> 00:36 < jdh> 99% of X users never use the network features
[20:26:37] <renesis> prob more like 99.9%
[20:27:26] <andypugh> Are you talking about using LinuxCNC remotely?
[20:28:15] <andypugh> I sometimes ssh -Y andypugh@mill and then start linuxcnc from the comfort of my living-room on the indoors PC
[20:28:46] <andypugh> But what I find _really_ useful is to do this when a job is running on the remote machine:
[20:28:56] <andypugh> ssh -Y andypugh@mill
[20:29:04] <andypugh> halcmd -kf
[20:29:22] <andypugh> loadusr halmeter -s pin motion.program-line
[20:30:34] <andypugh> What that does is open a little remote X-window in the corener of my Mac screen that tells me what the machine in the workshop is doing. Rather usefully the number goes to 0 when the program is finished, or when it is waiting for a tool change
[20:30:35] <enleth> Ralith: that's how I'm planning to set up the mill, a headless board with 6i25 in the machine's cabinet and whatever I have that has a screen as a pendant
[20:31:04] <enleth> maybe even a laptop
[20:36:58] <Duc> I hate everyone. wife is going to kill me now
[20:37:10] <jdh> can i have your hardware
[20:37:19] <Duc> the burned out coldsaw followed me home
[20:37:29] <jdh> all but that.
[20:37:52] <Duc> lol
[20:39:48] <Duc> thing weighs 720lbs but for 100 dollars could I turn it down
[20:40:14] <XXCoder> you shouldn't waved green food under its nose ;)
[20:41:47] <Duc> Did get the back story on the system. it was in a machine shop that burned down when the machinist was quenching a part from the heat treat oven in a plastic barrel. He lost control of the hot metal piece and it dropped to the bottom of the barrel and melted thru it
[20:42:05] <Duc> red hot metal and quenching oil made for a nice flame starter
[20:42:19] <XXCoder> heh that story probaly worth $100
[20:42:37] <XXCoder> did machinist include sound effects?
[20:42:46] <Duc> it was his buddy that did it
[20:42:48] <Duc> so nope
[20:43:14] <XXCoder> so they didnt have backup
[20:43:25] <XXCoder> like fire exusters whatever
[20:43:28] <Duc> nope
[20:45:17] <Duc> but now i need to find a 2 hp motor that has a 3 hole pattern to the face
[20:46:09] <Duc> we did drop the sucker while loading onto the concrete
[20:46:15] <Duc> I dont think anything broke
[20:51:44] <XXCoder> hopefully not
[20:51:56] <Duc> its built like a tank
[20:59:49] <Duc> the gear reduction still looks in dam good shape. Turns freely with the motor removed. Still had oil in the unit and it doesnt smell burnt
[21:02:18] <XXCoder> that is good
[21:02:24] <XXCoder> wires is easily replaced
[21:02:28] <XXCoder> gears need more work
[21:02:58] <XXCoder> I guess just take pictures, remove, clean and strip gears, oil em up and reassembly
[21:04:05] <Duc> Ill upload some pictures soon
[21:04:37] <Duc> finding a new motor will probably be the hardest thing for me but even that should be easy.
[21:04:39] <XXCoder> yeah even if dont upload still good idea take pics
[21:04:51] <XXCoder> can always add adoptor for differene motor
[21:07:19] <Duc> motor flange is 10in across with 8.5" bolt pattern, 4 bolts and the shaft is .750 by 2inches long
[22:10:59] <zeeshan-shop> is there a reason why the ctrl+k shortcut stops working
[22:11:05] <zeeshan-shop> after linuxcnc has been working for a while
[22:11:07] <zeeshan-shop> can't figure it out
[22:11:14] <XXCoder> ctrl-k = kill shortcut
[22:11:14] <zeeshan-shop> anyone else notice this?
[22:11:24] <zeeshan-shop> =P
[22:11:29] <XXCoder> seriously havent happened to me, though I dont use it all that often yet
[22:15:43] <Duc> didnt even know about it
[22:51:14] <RootB> hello LinuxCNC
[22:51:28] <RootB> Can you guys recommend me a grbl viewer for windows?
[22:52:59] <RootB> anyone?
[22:56:27] <XXCoder> hey
[22:56:30] <XXCoder> dunno
[23:19:37] <XXCoder> more on health 3d printing http://futurism.com/3d-print-pen-can-draw-human-cartilage-directly-patients/
[23:19:39] <XXCoder> amazing.
[23:19:45] <XXCoder> someday print entire customuized bodies
[23:21:05] <RootB> someday jesus will come back too
[23:21:24] <XXCoder> second coming starts with us printing him
[23:41:06] <mtimmerm> hey LinuxCNC, I've been away from CNC for a while and was thinking of getting back into it. Have there been any big changes in LinuxCNC since it was EMC2? The screenshots mostly look the same...
[23:42:54] <XXCoder> dunno, around year of usage for me
[23:43:04] <XXCoder> and barely use it much yet as still working on machine.
[23:46:48] <mtimmerm> There are a lot of folks in this channel. How active is the LinuxCNC community these days? Is it winning or losing against MachineKit?
[23:47:56] <XXCoder> now is starting of "dead time"
[23:48:06] <XXCoder> but quite active sometimes yeah
[23:48:14] <XXCoder> no idea on machinekit
[23:48:35] <mtimmerm> thanks
[23:48:57] <XXCoder> zeeshan-shop: figured that reason out yet?