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[01:35:18] <Deejay> moin
[04:42:46] <XXCoder> boooo
[04:43:15] <XXCoder> jdh: server not found. odd.
[05:12:15] <XXCoder> is there tutorials on how to drill and tap holes?
[05:13:34] <archivist> I bet the web has hundreds
[05:13:39] <XXCoder> yeah found one
[05:13:52] <XXCoder> I want to build a case for my tb6560
[05:13:59] <XXCoder> add some bigass fan
[05:14:05] <XXCoder> because it sucks on heat management
[05:14:21] <XXCoder> even 75% power it still gets quite hot (not as bad as 100%)
[05:14:55] <XXCoder> is harbour freight ones ok?
[05:15:05] <XXCoder> dont need fancy kit just work good enoygh
[05:17:13] <XXCoder> so "minor dia" is size of hole I drill
[05:17:41] <XXCoder> and "majoir dia" is size of thread size (width of hole + thread groove depth)
[05:20:00] <archivist> you drill a bit larger than minor
[05:21:15] <XXCoder> seems fairly strightfoward. thanks
[05:21:59] <archivist> you will see the tapping drill varies for % engagement
[05:22:35] <XXCoder> any advice on tool buying for tap? I think harbour feright will be fine for few uses I need to do
[05:23:33] <archivist> HF and similar low cost a carbon steel, ok for aluminium, not the sharpest
[05:24:09] <archivist> ground HSS taps are a lot nicer
[05:24:18] <XXCoder> ok
[05:24:27] <XXCoder> I'm not too worried as I think it will be mainly alum
[05:24:35] <Sync> get proper machine taps
[05:24:54] <XXCoder> my machine cant do taps
[05:25:02] <Sync> no
[05:25:05] <Sync> even for hand tapping
[05:25:17] <Sync> extracting chips out of the top is awesome
[05:25:36] <archivist> machine taps push/pull the chips out the hole better
[05:25:42] <XXCoder> ok
[05:25:47] <XXCoder> will consider that too
[05:36:08] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGA8RZeBZzY&feature=em-subs_digest nice
[05:43:23] <XXCoder> water glass sand interesting
[05:45:40] <XXCoder> what the...whats guy doing with what appears to be plastic cu[
[05:52:42] <archivist> plastic cup has water for wet and dry sandpaper
[05:53:03] <XXCoder> no, he was just touching rim on various places
[05:59:05] <XXCoder> man I love clickspring
[06:15:57] <XXCoder> lol nice circle plasma hck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnpG4uscGhE
[06:21:34] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Indeed.
[06:21:46] <SpeedEvil> (clickspring)
[06:22:09] <XXCoder> archivist: did you figure what he was doing with cup and cast?
[06:23:05] <archivist> at what time in the vid?
[06:23:28] <XXCoder> second
[06:23:32] <Sync> I should get me one of those plasma heads
[06:24:01] <XXCoder> around 10:50 or so
[06:24:49] <Sync> he tells what he is doing in the audio
[06:24:55] <Sync> he is using the cup to spread the co2
[06:25:04] <XXCoder> ahh to cure the cast
[06:25:10] <Sync> yes
[06:25:15] <Sync> "cast"
[06:25:16] <XXCoder> cool
[06:25:27] <XXCoder> well mold more like lol
[06:25:31] <XXCoder> anyway
[06:25:36] <XXCoder> it dont look reusable
[06:25:39] <Sync> it is not
[06:25:46] <XXCoder> I like myfordboy red sand casting
[06:25:53] <XXCoder> seems slightly better quality AND reusable
[06:26:05] <Sync> oh, you can reuse the sand
[06:26:15] <Sync> you just have to beat it small and sieve it
[06:26:33] <XXCoder> oh so sand is reusable just have to be beaten into powder
[06:26:39] <Sync> yup
[06:26:44] <XXCoder> so cant cast more than once eg
[06:26:50] <Sync> yes
[06:26:55] <Sync> but that usually is the case
[06:27:03] <Sync> unless you have a metal mold
[06:27:29] <XXCoder> wonder what happens if try reuse (if somehow take pout without damage)
[06:27:32] <archivist> then it is called diecast
[06:28:14] <Sync> you can't really take the parts out of the sand without messing the mold up
[06:28:45] <Sync> yeah, the quality is ok, could probably use a bit more process engineering to get the finish up
[06:29:02] <XXCoder> yeah never see part taken out without basically destroying mold
[06:29:02] <archivist> I managed to get 7 parts out of a plaster mould once
[06:29:15] <XXCoder> I'd love to cast stuff but I dont live in good location for that
[06:29:16] <archivist> was open topped
[06:29:33] <XXCoder> basically 2.5D mold
[06:30:04] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: You can do casting with nearly no volatiles - admittedly not - for example - oil+sand
[06:30:33] <_methods> Tom_itx and JT-Shop did you guys make it thru the tornadoes alright?
[06:30:34] <XXCoder> heh dunno if I can do casting lol
[06:30:36] <SpeedEvil> Which reminds me - I need to order a new oven.
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: though I plan to do easy to melt metal casting
[06:30:58] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Well - there are reasonably low melting point 'structural' metals
[06:31:01] <XXCoder> metal so easy that it can be cast in wood
[06:31:34] <SpeedEvil> Wood is going a bit OTT
[06:31:45] <SpeedEvil> Even silicone caulk can withstand 250C
[06:32:28] <XXCoder> one thing about wood
[06:32:34] <XXCoder> it can be made with my cnc router lol
[06:32:42] <XXCoder> fairly detailed cast
[06:32:56] <XXCoder> any recommanded metals though?
[06:33:21] <archivist> lead is easy to start learning
[06:33:27] <XXCoder> except lead
[06:33:31] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_aluminium
[06:33:33] <XXCoder> I just wont touch lead
[06:34:12] <archivist> you have to injest for years it to hurt yourself
[06:34:31] <XXCoder> yeah, just dont want to deal with lead
[06:34:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CALCIUM-SILICATE-BOARD-1000C-SKAMOL-NARROWBOAT-STOVES-215x1000x65mm-Misc-/262341395029?hash=item3d14c40255:g:fqAAAOxy4fVTDej~ is quite machinable
[06:35:15] <SpeedEvil> And cheap enough for molds.
[06:35:19] <XXCoder> nice
[06:35:25] <SpeedEvil> For small things anyway
[06:35:36] <Sync> why not, lead is not bad for a lot of things
[06:35:47] <_methods> it's great on bagels
[06:36:08] <XXCoder> _methods: its first artifical sweetener
[06:36:11] <XXCoder> literally.
[06:36:59] <XXCoder> anyway casting is quite low priority thanks for tips though
[06:37:11] <archivist> I have been handling lead and tin lead solder for 50+ years, in normal use basically harmless, dont eat it
[06:37:22] <XXCoder> vapor form is far worse
[06:37:50] <Sync> look at the vapor pressure of lead
[06:37:57] <Sync> and then think about it
[06:38:06] <XXCoder> one thing I do want to check is "large" amount of mecury, just check its properies out lol
[06:38:23] <XXCoder> in protected area of course
[06:38:44] <archivist> mercury does vaporise a lot easier
[06:38:54] <XXCoder> and vapor form is hella bad
[06:39:08] <XXCoder> liquid form is ok (as long as dont bring it out to envorment)
[06:39:50] <XXCoder> I just want to see how liquid form of mecury feels like. I mean, metal that is liquid and not hot!
[06:40:03] <XXCoder> and quite heavy too
[06:40:25] <SpeedEvil> I want a metal bed.
[06:40:33] <SpeedEvil> Ga/In perhaps.
[06:40:40] <XXCoder> one of my element stuff dream is owning a tungsein "movie gold bar"
[06:41:20] <Sync> just guy a tungsten bar and plate it
[06:41:24] <Sync> ~buy
[06:41:54] <XXCoder> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mzc1WDUwMA==/z/CU4AAOSw7ThUqVZY/$_35.JPG?set_id=880000500F
[06:42:16] <XXCoder> I dont want gold plate really, just pure tungsein
[06:42:26] <XXCoder> since its very similiar with density
[06:43:04] <Sync> DU is also interesting
[06:43:39] <XXCoder> whats it
[06:44:39] <SpeedEvil> depleted uranium
[06:44:43] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:44:52] <XXCoder> thats not very easy to get
[06:45:34] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately
[06:45:35] <DaViruz> HEU is also interesting.
[06:45:41] <SpeedEvil> I'd like some DU glazes
[06:45:43] <DaViruz> and diffucult to find!
[06:46:30] <Sync> it is pretty easy to get if you know where to look
[06:47:46] <XXCoder> heh the wood table elements guy took a long time to get uranium (besides its in this ore ones)
[06:48:01] <Sync> idk
[06:48:04] <Sync> I have a few bars
[06:48:29] <Sync> came out of a glider
[06:49:51] <gonzo_> I wonder how many bells are now ringing in the NSA?
[06:50:37] <XXCoder> muslim jilid nuclear bomb terrorists drugs pot hemp plant building crash
[06:50:45] <XXCoder> there. blew the bells.
[06:54:20] <XXCoder> Sync: what glider anyway
[06:57:52] <Sync> dg1000, but the ballast came out of some commercial plane iirc
[06:58:20] <XXCoder> uranium is nice and dense
[06:58:46] <Tom_itx> typically use lead or tungsten
[07:03:11] <XXCoder> gold'd be much better for some applications
[07:03:17] <XXCoder> too bad its used as value carrier
[07:03:36] <Sync> well, DU is not incredibly bad
[07:04:07] <Tom_itx> get some machineable wax if you want to experiment
[07:04:38] <XXCoder> for casting?
[07:04:46] <archivist> bit of cheap metal at the moment http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milling-Machine-Adcock-Shipley-Horizontal-Type-2AGU-Universal-/121980477240
[07:06:30] <SpeedEvil> Gold melts annoyingly hot
[07:06:50] <XXCoder> sure, was talking about another applications though
[07:06:56] <XXCoder> like connectors, soldering
[07:07:14] <Sync> well, flash gold is reasonably cheap
[07:07:25] <Sync> and even hard gold on connectors is not terribly spendy
[07:08:23] <gonzo_> that machine is only a few miles from me
[07:09:03] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: good luck, if you ...
[07:09:25] <XXCoder> yeah good luck :) if bidding
[07:10:17] <gonzo_> nope, nowhere for it to go and a BP to finish converting
[07:24:01] <XXCoder> night
[08:35:17] <_methods> Tom_itx: no tornadoes near you?
[08:35:44] <_methods> looks like it got super crazy around you and jthornton
[08:43:23] <JT-Shop> just rain here
[08:46:06] <_methods> good deal
[08:46:21] <_methods> crazy tornado footage from all that chaos
[08:46:22] <JT-Shop> got a big mud pie now lol
[08:46:36] <_methods> better than a pile of kindling lol
[08:53:32] <gregcnc> i was just watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCXp9Y5uPn4
[08:53:42] <JT-Shop> yea much better, we had a bad ass tornado pass by 900' from the house about 10 years ago
[08:59:05] <bnz> evening all hows things
[09:28:36] <_methods> anyone in here ever built with this stuff before?
[09:28:38] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulating_concrete_form
[09:30:14] <Jymmm> _methods: You've never seen EPS concrete forms before? It's almost lego-like and they just pour in the whole wall(s)
[09:30:24] <_methods> nah i've never used it before
[09:30:36] <gregcnc> i'd love to build a house with those
[09:31:34] <_methods> i'd like to build my next house with it
[09:31:36] <_methods> i think
[09:31:41] <_methods> i don't know much about it yet
[09:33:45] <Jymmm> _methods: EPS concrete forms/blocks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdKdrV0x4A
[09:34:04] <_methods> http://www.quadlock.com/insulated-concrete-forms/green_roofs.htm
[09:34:10] <_methods> cool hobbit roof
[09:34:12] <_methods> lol
[09:50:38] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Yeah, I thought it was an awesome product.
[09:51:11] <witnit> pcw_home: is the 7I73 Pendant/control panel interface a device I can hotplug and move from one system to another?
[09:52:37] <pcw_home> No the 7I73 is not hotplugable because its only logged in at linuxcnc startup
[09:53:17] <Jymmm> HUPable?
[09:54:01] <pcw_home> I dont thing thers a general way to have hal pins appear and disappear live
[09:54:07] <witnit> do you think there is a way to emulate the oendant on disconnect and trick each system?
[09:54:15] <pcw_home> no
[09:54:16] <witnit> pendant*
[09:54:33] <witnit> sigh, devastating blow
[09:55:05] <witnit> I need a handheld pc which I can plug in via ethernet then
[09:59:43] <pcw_home> it probably could be done if a driver change was made to allow disabling/enabling a single sserial channel
[09:59:44] <pcw_home> and you started all systems with the 7I73 connected (and deal with the fact that the associated hal pins
[09:59:46] <pcw_home> are not valid when the device is disabled, but in general HAL and its drivers are not designed
[09:59:47] <pcw_home> for hot-pluggable hardware
[10:06:47] <witnit> ideal situation ----> (handheld pendant)_stores .ngc and .hal/.ini files for and many different machine configurations, based on multiple cnc spindles/trunnions of very similar hardware which all work together. Imagine an octopus with a cnc 4 axis station at each tenticle and a ladder logic style central unit keeping everything in sequence. The operator would go to each station and upload and make adjustments with a remote pendant and move on the next
[10:07:33] <Sync> o0
[10:07:37] <archivist> ideal fsck up maybe
[10:07:43] <Sync> just deploy 4 pendants
[10:08:00] <witnit> but then your files for one job is spread out on 4 pendants
[10:08:59] <FinboySlick> The machines should get their file from the network.
[10:09:08] <FinboySlick> The pendant should only be there for adjustments.
[10:09:34] <FinboySlick> If you want to get fancy, add a feature on the pendant that tells the machine which file to go fetch from the network.
[10:09:39] <witnit> the pendants can not stay attached to the machine while it is in operation
[10:09:52] <FinboySlick> Doesn't matter.
[10:10:17] <FinboySlick> Storing files on the pendant is a recipe for disaster.
[10:10:23] <witnit> why?
[10:11:02] <JT-Shop> usb stick?
[10:11:17] <archivist> files belong on a file system
[10:12:20] <witnit> ok heres the situation. a machine spindle is brought into a lab, tech plugs in pendant and programs the machine for a task, the pendant is removed and the spindle is wheeled into a machine and left in a trigger mode to be ran by the rest of the machine
[10:13:02] <witnit> each machine has multiple modular cnc systems within it which are configured sometimes on site, other times without the main machine
[10:14:25] <witnit> due to enviroment no human interfacing can be on the machine locally while its in operation, though is very useful during setup
[10:15:10] <archivist> pendants are not file systems
[10:15:17] <witnit> why not?
[10:15:34] <archivist> they are an input device
[10:15:56] <pcw_home> yeah global file system and laser mark/barcode/rfid etc on work
[10:16:05] <archivist> kb/mouse , different drivers system
[10:19:06] <Sync> witnit: there are thousands of robots sitting around in their cells doing stuff with their pendant attached doing nothing for years
[10:19:09] <Sync> it is just the way it is
[10:21:14] <archivist> unique id read off item is the right way, monitoring and files from network
[10:21:52] <witnit> Sync: that is not a similar situation at all
[10:22:13] <zeeshan> has anyone used straight flute end mills on wood?
[10:24:11] <JT-Shop> what are you making zee
[10:24:21] <Sync> it kinda is witnit
[10:24:26] <djdelorie> zeeshan: I have but I prefer spiral
[10:24:32] <zeeshan> why
[10:24:37] <djdelorie> chatter
[10:24:39] <zeeshan> jthornton: thosse vapes
[10:24:41] <zeeshan> ah
[10:24:49] <zeeshan> yea i guess they dont like too much doc
[10:24:55] <zeeshan> cause its a straight bang
[10:24:58] <zeeshan> rather a smooth bang :p
[10:25:03] <djdelorie> up-spiral is best for clearing chips but leaves a crappy top edge
[10:25:07] <djdelorie> right
[10:25:19] <zeeshan> i had success with regular end mills for my last batch
[10:25:23] <djdelorie> if you can clear chips with air, down spiral is probably your cleanest bet
[10:25:27] <zeeshan> but icant find 4 flutes for cheap
[10:25:31] <zeeshan> i was running 2 flute ball nose before
[10:25:36] <zeeshan> its too slow, 40 ipm
[10:25:39] <zeeshan> need to hit 90
[10:25:40] <djdelorie> wood is typically two flute
[10:25:47] <zeeshan> or even 3 flute
[10:25:48] <djdelorie> and I run at 300 IPM
[10:25:54] <zeeshan> wow!
[10:26:00] <zeeshan> what rpm tho
[10:26:01] <djdelorie> 21,000 RPM
[10:26:03] <zeeshan> im limited to 3150
[10:26:05] <zeeshan> thats the problem
[10:26:09] <zeeshan> my chip load goes up the roof
[10:26:32] <djdelorie> I'm using a standard 960 series router
[10:26:51] <djdelorie> if you don't have the speed, chips tend to pack in the slot instead of clearing
[10:27:11] <djdelorie> so air is desirable for slower machines
[10:27:28] <zeeshan> you really think evern with air blast
[10:27:33] <zeeshan> ill get chip compacting w/ wood?
[10:27:38] <zeeshan> similar to 4 fl in aluminum
[10:27:58] <zeeshan> my benchmark right now is 2 fl, 40ipm
[10:28:02] <djdelorie> with air should be ok
[10:28:04] <zeeshan> at 3150 rpm
[10:28:15] <zeeshan> 0.006" chipload
[10:28:19] <zeeshan> on a 1/2" cutter
[10:28:34] <djdelorie> I think I run 0.002 load on a 1/4" cutter
[10:28:42] <djdelorie> but only 1/8" depth per pass
[10:29:04] <witnit> Sync: I think you are mission the part where the pendant and cables have to be removed
[10:29:12] <witnit> missing*
[10:29:15] <djdelorie> OTOH my machine isn't that rugged so I have to take light cuts
[10:29:53] <zeeshan> http://cuttingtoolpickers.com/index.php?cID=158&pID=9565
[10:29:55] <zeeshan> this is what i was using
[10:30:00] <zeeshan> super long
[10:30:05] <zeeshan> but now i only need 1" loc
[10:30:05] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Can't rig a fast spindle for wood jobs?
[10:30:10] <zeeshan> so i should be able to go faster
[10:30:31] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: maybe :P
[10:30:44] <FinboySlick> rotozip or some other kind of semi-cheap tool.
[10:31:09] <FinboySlick> BTW, be very mindful of that beautiful mill's ways. Wood isn't very nice in the long run.
[10:31:25] <zeeshan> everything is covered :P
[10:31:28] <zeeshan> and then plastic'ed over
[10:31:37] <djdelorie> I think you're limited by chipload still, though, but if you can handle a deeper cut, sure
[10:31:56] <djdelorie> wood is much easier on the bits but remember that wood is abrasive
[10:32:07] <FinboySlick> How big are the parts?
[10:32:09] <zeeshan> 3 flute would be so nice :(
[10:32:23] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: http://imgur.com/a/lCAxs
[10:32:41] <zeeshan> the blocks are ~4.125x1.5x2
[10:33:10] <zeeshan> djdelorie: i made 120ish parts with 1 ball nose
[10:33:10] <zeeshan> hehe
[10:33:14] <zeeshan> thing is still sharp
[10:33:22] <zeeshan> this isnt pure wood, maybe thats why
[10:34:35] <djdelorie> anyway, that's my wood milling info, back later...
[10:35:04] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Since you're limited in RPM, you could take advantage of your extra torque and put a spindle fan. It'll help clear the chips (and make a right mess in your shop).
[10:35:30] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: i want to rig a shop vac this time
[10:35:32] <zeeshan> :)
[10:35:36] <zeeshan> im doing some math
[10:35:42] <zeeshan> .125 WOC, 0.5DOC
[10:36:04] <zeeshan> 3000 rpm, 2fl, 1/2" cutter, 1.5" stick out,
[10:36:20] <zeeshan> at 0.012 ipt chip load, the tool deflection is only 0.0006"
[10:36:28] <zeeshan> and the cutting force is 50lb
[10:38:14] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Is that worse-case cutting force? Sort of depends on the grain with wood I presume.
[10:38:33] <zeeshan> +/- 20lb
[10:38:41] <zeeshan> still not much for roughing
[10:38:55] <zeeshan> but too much for finishing
[10:39:02] <zeeshan> prolly have massive chip out :P
[10:39:57] <FinboySlick> Well, if you want to trade mills, I can do 20k rpm ;)
[10:40:03] <zeeshan> haha
[10:41:39] <FinboySlick> Hey, you swap a wankel for a v8, you can't fault me for trying to exploit your exchange logic.
[10:42:02] <zeeshan> jokes on you!
[10:42:02] <zeeshan> :)
[10:48:12] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: do you have a router?
[10:48:15] <zeeshan> with a 20k spindle?
[11:01:06] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: It's a high speed watercooled spindle.
[11:01:21] <FinboySlick> But it's a vertical mill setup.
[11:02:43] <zeeshan> nice
[11:03:34] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: It'll be nice once I straightened it (in several years at this rate).
[11:05:52] <archivist> have you just unbolted the column to see if it is just a turd lifting one side
[11:06:42] <FinboySlick> archivist: Yeah. No amount of adjustment to the column manages to straighten it. The linear rails just aren't parallel.
[11:08:04] <FinboySlick> And the spindle axis isn't parallel to the average either, and there's no tram adjustments.
[11:08:20] <archivist> is there enough clearance in the rail screws to shift them a bit
[11:08:30] <FinboySlick> Yeah, that's what I plan to do.
[11:09:26] <FinboySlick> It's really just a matter of taking it all apart and assembling it right, I think.
[11:17:33] <gregcnc> what machine is that?
[11:17:54] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8Nz5l0qiD0
[11:18:29] <ws2> anyone running linuxcnc with their pi?
[11:20:30] <archivist> FinboySlick, a steady camera!
[11:20:49] <FinboySlick> Hehe, it was magbased to the table.
[11:21:18] <FinboySlick> So it's the camera moving, not the spindle.
[11:21:29] <archivist> I know :)
[11:22:08] <FinboySlick> I was a bit of a wuss on DoC there, but nilon is slippery and I didn't want it to move.
[11:22:12] <FinboySlick> nylon
[11:22:23] <archivist> most as not sensible enough to fix the camera
[11:23:15] <gregcnc> shaky video hurts my head less than watching machines bend due to poor software stabilization
[12:16:55] <maxcnc> hi all
[12:19:02] <maxcnc> today the craftsman school principal came in and asked for help
[12:21:40] <maxcnc> is witnit going for a master production line with multiple mashines and stuff that brings and turns the part
[12:25:36] <djdelorie> I'm starting to see more youtube videos of cnc machines coupled with robots to feed it material...
[12:28:56] <maxcnc> djdelorie: do you need that many parts to be setup with line production
[12:29:42] <maxcnc> best to go for multi spindel production
[12:30:39] <maxcnc> oh missunderstanding english you just looking on this
[12:30:45] <maxcnc> ;-)
[12:33:20] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: maxcnc has a point there. If you manage to mount 4 routers on a plate and bolt that to your mill's head, you could quicken your production quite a bit.
[12:33:34] <zeeshan> not worth it for the job
[12:33:41] <zeeshan> everything has its place =P
[12:33:56] <zeeshan> right now for my part time business
[12:34:03] <zeeshan> the machine time is not a concern at all
[12:34:10] <zeeshan> if the machine runs for 4 days, im ok
[12:34:15] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: But I thought you were going for a Heisenberg sort of deal. "Say my name." and all that shit.
[12:34:21] <zeeshan> it's my time involved in the machine that is the biggest factor of cost.
[12:34:23] <zeeshan> :P
[12:34:45] <zeeshan> if my machine utilization was close to 75%
[12:34:49] <zeeshan> then i think i'd consider that :P
[12:35:08] <maxcnc> let your wife control the mashine
[12:35:19] <zeeshan> my wife is an accountant :P
[12:35:20] <maxcnc> and go for big business
[12:35:24] <zeeshan> she hates machining
[12:35:24] <zeeshan> haha
[12:35:29] <zeeshan> and i hate machine operating
[12:35:48] <maxcnc> then only migrants are the solusion
[12:35:55] <zeeshan> rofl
[12:36:01] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: What if you say: "But honey, it'll be mostly just vacuuming, you're used to that, right?"
[12:36:02] <maxcnc> ask donald he knows est
[12:38:07] <zeeshan> she'd hand me the vacuum :{
[12:38:12] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:38:22] <zeeshan> i love my wifey
[12:38:27] <zeeshan> she helped me move my mill into the garage
[12:38:33] <zeeshan> she's 108lb
[12:38:33] <maxcnc> zeeshan: what pats are you making
[12:38:47] <zeeshan> she was amazed the mechanical concept of lever
[12:38:48] <zeeshan> lol
[12:38:54] <skunkworks__> tool chain spinning. Andy's carousel component is sweet
[12:39:15] <zeeshan> maxcnc: just some vaporizer bodies and some stainless parts for it
[12:39:34] <maxcnc> stainless is the hard onoe
[12:40:16] <maxcnc> back in the real working days i had to make big pats for extruding plastics
[12:40:25] <maxcnc> out of 1.2316
[12:40:42] <maxcnc> that is real hard on tooling
[12:40:53] <maxcnc> 300x200x200mm
[12:41:10] <maxcnc> out of the steelfactory bar
[12:41:48] <maxcnc> the outer part of the bar is rouph
[12:42:14] <maxcnc> lost so many inserts
[12:43:41] <gregcnc> 1.2316 = 420 stainless
[12:44:50] <gregcnc> capthindsight http://madison.craigslist.org/tls/5578736156.html
[12:48:39] <maxcnc> just in HAAs anouncing 400sqm on this years mashine fair
[12:49:30] <maxcnc> the F1 aliance will get them to europ competer to the locals Hermle DMC
[12:49:44] <maxcnc> DMG
[12:49:54] <maxcnc> Deckel Maho Gildemeister
[12:52:42] <maxcnc> im off sun out now first time for today going for a short bicycle tour
[12:52:45] <maxcnc> Gn8
[12:53:20] <FinboySlick> Hmmm... On the workhorse side of thing, Haas can compete, but on high-end fancy mills, I don't think they have anything that really compares to DMG, no?
[12:53:21] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:55:10] <archivist> I think haas are down market to get the qty up
[12:56:39] <FinboySlick> Well, I wouldn't mind trading my little chinese mill for a Haas office mill. They're adorable.
[12:57:04] <FinboySlick> Only 65 grand more expensive too!
[13:04:58] <zeeshan> haha
[13:05:17] <zeeshan> but at the end of the day its still a haas :{
[13:06:09] <zeeshan> i'm in love with the makino machines
[13:06:10] <FinboySlick> I wonder how much they'd sell it without electronics.
[13:06:12] <zeeshan> even more than dmg
[13:06:21] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: why do that!
[13:07:14] <FinboySlick> Well, all you need is Linuxcnc.
[13:07:39] <zeeshan> might as well buy an old machine
[13:07:41] <zeeshan> and strip her :P
[13:08:29] <FinboySlick> Of course. I'm just curious of how much of that price is the actual iron.
[13:08:50] <zeeshan> have you watched how haas makes their machines
[13:08:54] <zeeshan> you can prolly get an idea from that
[13:08:58] <_methods> cradek: you see this
[13:09:00] <_methods> https://danielelectronics.com/2016/01/23/msp430-vfd-clock-manhattan-style/
[13:09:12] <zeeshan> i would say 35% is the mechanical stuff
[13:09:15] <_methods> i know it's not nixie
[13:09:22] <_methods> pretty cool though
[13:09:29] <zeeshan> 25% electronics :P
[13:09:31] <zeeshan> the rest profit!
[13:13:06] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: is look very nice
[13:13:26] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Mikron-Lathe-/162065322500
[13:13:35] <zeeshan> what!
[13:13:37] <zeeshan> they made lathes?!?
[13:13:58] <zeeshan> archivist: i should send you something sometime
[13:14:04] <zeeshan> you were the main reason i ended up with a mikron
[13:14:16] <zeeshan> i've searched from the name on local boards, and have not found a single hit ever since then
[13:14:29] <zeeshan> =D
[13:14:31] <archivist> I have them in my watch list
[13:20:00] <archivist> want to fall onto a hobbing machine in my price range one day
[13:20:33] <FinboySlick> archivist: With 'electronic gearing' nowadays, I guess you could make one for any ratio.
[13:21:25] <FinboySlick> Actually, didn't you have a project like that already?
[13:21:30] <archivist> FinboySlick, I have a barber colman, came without gears added linuxcnc !
[13:22:52] <FinboySlick> I imagine you could make single-tooth hobs now that it's computer controlled.
[13:24:27] <Sync> zeeshan: just add a router to the side of your mill
[13:24:31] <Sync> cheap and easy project
[13:24:34] <archivist> generation can be done with a single cutter
[13:25:28] <archivist> still got some thinking to do on that, made a pair of bevel gears that way
[13:27:53] <CaptHindsight> I'm seeing these all over CL and fleabay http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5523019996.html
[13:28:11] <CaptHindsight> how crappy are they?
[13:29:03] <archivist> rofl Features: True Running Accuracy
[13:29:13] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[13:29:39] <CaptHindsight> obviously from ChinaCo
[13:29:45] <archivist> tell us when you have wasted a few dolla
[13:29:53] <Sync> they are not even 850usd when new
[13:29:55] <CaptHindsight> so probably hit or miss on the one you get
[13:31:23] <CaptHindsight> $1325 at zoro.com
[13:32:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.optimum-machines.com/home/index.html
[13:33:36] <CaptHindsight> Germany!
[13:34:15] <CaptHindsight> OPTIMUM produces a large part of its metal processing machines in its proper factory at the Chinese Yangzhou with a German production manager and quality management representative.
[13:34:15] <CaptHindsight> Development, design and quality management mainly take place in Germany.
[13:34:27] <_methods> ah it's german
[13:34:30] <_methods> it must be good
[13:34:37] <_methods> germinese
[13:34:39] <CaptHindsight> jah
[13:34:57] <_methods> hehe
[13:36:14] <CaptHindsight> if you let too many bad machines pass inspection they keep the manager in China
[13:36:26] <_methods> haha
[13:37:21] <CaptHindsight> runner up employee of the month, 2 weeks in China
[13:37:34] <CaptHindsight> employee of the month, 1 week in China
[13:55:45] <Magnifikus> any templates for manual tool changing, like linuxcnc accepts any tool number initially and if another is called by gcode it tells the user to put in tool nr x and does length probing?
[13:56:24] <archivist> templates?
[13:57:16] <archivist> usually you call for the correct tool before doing anything
[14:00:54] <skunkworks__> Magnifikus, there is auto-tool length measuring in the gcode examples
[14:43:25] <gregcnc> you have to love "news" http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/10/aviation/british-airways-square-tire-mystery/index.html
[15:08:57] <rene-dev> PCW Hi, Im having problems building a bitfile for a 7i80db
[15:09:27] <rene-dev> PCW 5i25 works fine, 7i80 is dead after flashing, no leds, no network
[15:13:41] <XXCoder> gregcnc: its cnn what you expect
[15:20:22] <JT-Shop> hoe back together :)
[15:30:29] * Polymorphism rips out hair
[15:31:56] <_methods> get that hoe back to work
[15:31:58] <_methods> lol
[15:32:22] <JT-Shop> too muddy to work her for a few days, at least she don't pee all over the dig
[15:32:48] <_methods> hehe
[15:40:11] <XXCoder> pimps. careful, they tough
[15:41:28] <djdelorie> pumps, however, are not always tough
[15:45:14] <PCW> rene-dev: are you sure you have the correct .ucf file associated with the top level file (and the correct FPGA chip)?
[15:46:12] <XXCoder> djdelorie: you need Pimp brand pumps.
[15:46:28] <djdelorie> heh
[15:46:44] <djdelorie> new tv show "pimp my pump". Gets 3 viewers.
[15:46:57] <XXCoder> yep lol
[15:48:26] <Sync> PCW: mesaflash reports the right fpga, at least
[15:49:12] <rene-dev> PCW hmm UCF file, yes
[15:49:57] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> Is Pncconfig supposed to tune a motor, All get is an line code error screen.
[15:50:18] <PCW> no, you use calibrate to tune
[15:50:39] <XXCoder> well
[15:50:49] <XXCoder> I got an idea that might be stupid but who knows
[15:51:00] <XXCoder> linux stepper tuning program
[15:51:13] <XXCoder> just plug mike in, and run program
[15:51:28] <XXCoder> it tries various speeds up to user selected max and range max
[15:51:32] <PCW> most likely suspects for non working bitfiles are wrong .ucf file, wrong FPGA, wrong top level file etc
[15:51:54] <rene-dev> PCW im using topethernethostmot2
[15:51:56] <XXCoder> and also "config libraries" for known controller boards to start off from.
[15:52:09] <Alpha1125> with the advent of arduino's... have people made alternatives to gecko-drives?
[15:52:19] <rene-dev> PCW forgot how to set the bitfile in ise... du you have a script to compile the images?
[15:52:31] <rene-dev> PCW sorry, ucf file
[15:52:33] <Alpha1125> I remember gecko-drives being the gold standard for DIY CNC... like 10+ years ago.
[15:52:35] <XXCoder> what do you guys think?
[15:53:17] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> I.m trying to Test/Tune Axis and I get aan error box
[15:53:44] <PCW> yes you can do it with a script (I do) if you use the GUI, you must delete the incorrect ucf file and (with the top level file selected) add the correct one
[15:54:15] <PCW> use calibrate in axis, not pncconf to tune
[15:55:09] <rene-dev> PCW I would prefer a script, is that public somewhere?
[15:56:01] <PCW> I use it under windows and it builds all bitfiles so its probably not much general use
[15:56:27] <rene-dev> ah, ok
[15:56:45] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> OK- forgot about axis calibrate - BTW- yesterday's issues are corrected which is how I'm up to this point.
[15:56:52] <PCW> the scripts from the hostmot2 buildbot should work
[15:57:28] <neckro23> Alpha1125: I can't claim to know a lot but I tried a few of the Arduino driver things and they didn't have nearly enough torque
[15:57:35] <neckro23> entirely possible I had them configured totally wrong though
[15:57:42] <neckro23> ended up getting a Geckodrive which works great
[15:58:00] <Alpha1125> neckro23 good to know.
[15:59:27] <neckro23> this is the one I tried... can't beat the price, at least http://www.amazon.com/OSOYOO-Printer-Controller-Stepper-Heatsink/dp/B0111ZSS2O
[16:00:06] <neckro23> I'm no mechanic but I think it's meant for dinkier stepper motors than are usually found on CNC machines
[16:02:05] <XXCoder> reviews is bit weak
[16:02:25] <Alpha1125> neckro23 that's for reprap 3d printers and stuff... like nema 17 motors.
[16:02:34] <Alpha1125> I've got that running right now on the 3d printer beside me.
[16:06:06] <djdelorie> my printer has that type of stepper controller too, and keeping them cool enough even with nema 17s is tricky.
[16:06:33] <XXCoder> djdelorie: tried lowering power %?
[16:06:39] <djdelorie> then I lose steps
[16:06:43] <XXCoder> at 100% my tb6560 gets hot
[16:06:50] <XXCoder> 75% it gets warm but are fine
[16:07:12] <djdelorie> I got some heatsinks for the chips but need to rearrange how the cooling airflow works
[16:07:36] * djdelorie has been spoiled by servos that don't lose steps
[16:07:48] <XXCoder> and feedback lop. dont forget that
[16:08:22] <rene-dev> PCW thanks, that seemd to be the problem. can I use 34 pin pinfiles with 68 pin cards? id seems to build fine
[16:08:30] <djdelorie> heh. Mine even remember where they're "supposed" to be when you go past the limit switches, and recover once "supposed to" is back in range
[16:09:12] <djdelorie> if clearpath had nema 17's my printer would be converted in a heartbeat...
[16:09:44] <XXCoder> just use adoptor and use nema23 or something heh
[16:10:05] <djdelorie> I did think of that, but there really isn't enough room for that
[16:10:23] <djdelorie> it would almost be a rebuild to get them to fit
[16:11:09] <djdelorie> and if I have to rebuild it anyway, it's going to be bigger :-)
[16:12:31] <PCW> you should use 68 pin pinfiles for a 7I80DB
[16:14:34] <neckro23> Alpha1125: sure, I know that *now* :)
[16:19:52] <XXCoder> cooldj
[16:21:32] <rene-dev> PCW I found some evidence of a txenable pin in the firmware... does smartserial also work with rs485?
[16:25:34] <PCW> No not currently (I suppose it could but since its not multi drop its not of too much value)
[16:26:39] <JT-Shop> I know andy has mentioned before a hal component to move a stepper x steps at x speed but I can't recall what that was
[16:27:01] <PCW> I tend to dislike RS-485 stuff with its funky termination so idle state is determined
[16:29:04] <PCW> JT-Shop: you can use the limit component feeding a stepgen to make a simple indexing motion system
[16:29:43] <PCW> (limit 3)
[16:31:16] <JT-Shop> thanks
[16:34:12] <rene-dev> PCW from the 68 pin bitfiles it is not very clear which db25 port is which
[16:34:32] <witnit> maxcnc djdelorie yes, this machine has a robot attached to it for loading parts and 12-24 spindles
[16:35:03] <djdelorie> the robot loaders union will be in touch with you about wages and dues...
[16:35:31] <witnit> some company wanted 18,000 to repair their old robotic loader
[16:35:53] <djdelorie> that's a lot of robots just to repair one...
[16:36:28] <PCW> rene-dev: they are in the expected sequence, J2,J3,J4,J5
[16:37:16] <PCW> that is J2 is IO 0..16, J3 is IO 17..33 etc
[16:37:52] <rene-dev> PCW 68 pin is only for the 7i80db? the comments mention internal and external ports :D probably copy and paste error
[16:39:57] <PCW> 68 is currently only for 7I80DB
[16:39:59] <PCW> and all pinout files have been made by copy-pasting so there may be hitch-hikers from pin files of long-ago
[16:40:52] <rene-dev> PCW ok, thanks
[16:43:44] <PCW> If you dont have a JTAG programmer, make sure you dont write bad bitfiles to both EEPROMs :-)
[16:47:36] <rene-dev> PCW I have a 5i25, which worked first try, Sync is testing the 7i80 with my firmware, I think he used the rescure thing
[16:47:54] * JT-Shop needs Tom_itx to tell me how to use his programmer now that I found it again
[16:48:09] <rene-dev> PCW I think ise should at least complain when I dont give it a ucf file :D
[16:49:33] <PCW> No, ISE cheerfully makes up a random pinout
[16:50:12] <rene-dev> PCW uh, how nice ox ise, what a useful feature
[16:50:41] <rene-dev> PCW I guessed it would just optimize everything away, as no pins are used
[16:51:10] <PCW> It does allow you to test fit etc of a design before commiting to a pinout
[16:51:33] <PCW> but its bit me a few times also
[16:53:52] <rene-dev> PCW have you ever thought about making the pinout configurable at runtime?
[16:56:53] <Deejay> gn8
[16:58:22] <yasnak> its always fun when your shop starts running out of space so they gut the "cleanroom" QC area to install cubicles only to move the cmm equipment back to the oily swiss shop. :/
[16:59:38] <Sync> oh btw PCW, having to reset the jumper to the original position almost messed me up
[17:00:08] <Sync> reflashed the recovery straight away, but luckily with a working image
[17:03:09] <PCW> Yeah you have to move to jumper to the boot position, power cycle and move the jumper right back
[17:04:36] <PCW> normally its not an issue (as things like a corrupted bitfile or power loss during prgramming are handled by the fallback mechanism)
[17:05:29] <PCW> its just an issue when you build a bitfile thats for the correct chip and has the proper CRCs but is non-functional
[17:05:39] <Sync> yeah, in my case that almost made me pull out the jtagger
[17:07:13] <PCW> Ive been able to recover by deliberately corrupting the user file load (with a bit of wire and quick fingers)
[17:09:21] <Sync> yeah that is probably possible
[17:10:28] <JT-Shop> is there a way to get 8 stepgens on P1 of a 7i92?
[17:19:08] <rene-dev> PCW any idea? idrom ioports is 4 but md ioports numinstances is 2
[17:20:33] <alex4nder> http://www.youtube.com/user/88172631/live ... it's alive
[17:24:30] <PCW> rene-dev: not sure what the question is
[17:24:40] <PCW> JT-Shop sure
[17:24:51] <Sync> PCW: hm2_eth doesn't like our bitfile
[17:24:59] <rene-dev> PCW linuxcnc complains sbout my 68 pin bitfile
[17:25:37] <rene-dev> I think
[17:25:38] <rene-dev> (IOPortTag, x"00", ClockLowTag, x"04", PortAddr&PadT, IOPortNumRegs, x"00", IOPortMPBitMask),
[17:25:50] <rene-dev> is that correct for a 7i80?
[17:27:56] <PCW> for a 7I80DB, yes
[17:28:07] <rene-dev> ok
[17:28:33] <PCW> 4 ports
[17:28:36] <rene-dev> PCW second number was 2 before, so now it should work
[17:28:49] <rene-dev> PCW ah, that is the number of ports
[17:29:38] <PCW> ( which matches the number of connectors on most )
[17:49:01] <alex4nder> I'm surprised how well PREEMPT_RT is working on this dual core box, with video mirroring working
[18:16:18] <JT-Shop> I've got preempt rt on one computer and it has < 4000 latency
[18:19:17] <FloppyDisk> alex4ander - do you recall what ghz of the dual core you have?
[18:20:01] <FloppyDisk> I recall the Preempt-rt being a hog compared to older systems, but if you have a newer PC, it seems to be great...
[18:25:53] <neckro23> preempt-rt is the userspace one right?
[18:26:28] <neckro23> on my cheap-ass cnc box rtai works great but preempt-rt not so much
[18:26:45] <neckro23> only catch is that my ethernet driver doesn't work with rtai for some reason... oh well
[18:37:41] <Duc> What is a standard M-code for rotary clamp
[18:53:54] <zeeshan> man something must be wrong here.. morse recommends for hss drill bits: 0.004 fpr , 325 sfm in aluminum for 1/8 drill bit..
[18:54:21] <zeeshan> on my machine limited to 3000 rpm, thats 18 inches per minute
[18:54:25] <zeeshan> that cant be right?!
[18:54:30] <zeeshan> anyone?
[18:58:50] <Duc> what rpm does it calc out to be
[18:59:06] <Duc> we push some of our stuff fast and hard
[19:00:33] <BeachBumPete> FS wizard says 12IPM
[19:01:00] <zeeshan> wtf
[19:01:04] <zeeshan> all this time ive been cutting it at 4ipm..
[19:01:08] <BeachBumPete> I would probably go like 10
[19:01:43] <zeeshan> if the drilling is similar to the milling output from fswizard
[19:01:45] <Duc> do you have a spare test piece and drill bit
[19:01:47] <zeeshan> then its veryyyyyyy conservative
[19:01:50] <zeeshan> Duc: yes
[19:02:13] <Duc> do you have thru coolant or around collet??
[19:02:18] <zeeshan> no
[19:02:19] <BeachBumPete> that's 3KRPM .0023 IPT apparently
[19:02:20] <zeeshan> im chip breaking it
[19:02:26] <zeeshan> hmm
[19:02:33] <zeeshan> thats lower than the morse table is saying
[19:02:51] <zeeshan> will try 12
[19:02:56] <zeeshan> the .201 its telling me 27 ipm
[19:02:57] <zeeshan> lol
[19:03:08] <zeeshan> (the chart)
[19:03:13] <Duc> How fast does Morse waant the spindle to be? 8k?
[19:03:20] <zeeshan> say they 325 spm
[19:03:24] <zeeshan> so ideally around 5500
[19:03:36] <zeeshan> sfm
[19:04:05] <zeeshan> im serious, i cant believe for like 5+ years ive been drilling at 5ipm..
[19:04:35] <BeachBumPete> I usually go as high spindle as i can and then run it in at a more reasonable rate just because I hate breaking drill bits off in ally shits gummy...
[19:04:40] <Duc> I wish I could take a video of us plowing a firing pin hole. we almost shit ourself the first time we used the recommend speeds
[19:04:58] <zeeshan> hahaha
[19:05:11] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: do you use chipbreak?
[19:05:19] <zeeshan> ive pretty much never used a regular drill cycle in al
[19:05:23] <BeachBumPete> just peck drill typically
[19:05:25] <zeeshan> unless its a spot drill
[19:06:36] <BeachBumPete> those dream drills and coolant thru drills we went gonzo fast tho made me nervous but they are amazingly quick
[19:08:17] <zeeshan> how fast
[19:09:24] <BeachBumPete> I don't remember exactly its been awhile but it was over before you knew it :D
[19:11:09] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Byx0F-yXgc looked something like this only a touch faster it seemed
[19:11:38] <zeeshan> ROFL
[19:11:39] <zeeshan> nice
[19:11:52] <zeeshan> that drill give zero fux
[19:12:26] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8GuRU3u3PA
[19:12:36] <BeachBumPete> yeah its crazy how fast you can go....I THINK it was like 90 IPM or something like that. I can ask my friend the next time I talk to him he did the programming on that one.
[19:13:24] <zeeshan> olm
[19:13:33] <zeeshan> okay maybe the 12-18 ipm isnt an unreasonable number..
[19:13:43] <zeeshan> these guys are going 3 times the recommended feedrate
[19:13:49] <zeeshan> w/ spindle coolant
[19:13:55] <Duc> yea
[19:14:32] <zeeshan> 670 ipm
[19:14:33] <zeeshan> wtf
[19:14:37] <Duc> Have you guys used custom M-codes on your machines
[19:15:13] <BeachBumPete> that coolant thru high pressure makes a huge difference
[19:15:17] <zeeshan> WTF
[19:15:22] <zeeshan> ive never seen holes being drilled this fast
[19:15:24] <zeeshan> this is crazy
[19:16:09] <BeachBumPete> I never saw anything THAT fast but the holes we were drilling were like half inch or something like that and with the carbide drills coolant thru it was like that first video I posted. chips were smackingLOL
[19:16:11] <Duc> Machines have come a long way and new cycle times to make repeatable parts can help justify thru collant
[19:16:24] <Duc> coolant
[19:16:28] <Sync> o0
[19:16:37] <Sync> production almost always justifies through coolant
[19:16:51] <BeachBumPete> I WISH my machine had that
[19:17:00] <BeachBumPete> some of them did but mine did not come with it.
[19:17:50] <zeeshan> my buddies deckel has it
[19:17:57] <zeeshan> we were actually talking about spindle coolant today
[19:18:01] <Duc> I wish I had a enclosure since flood makes a big enough mess. we also require a mist collector on the machines
[19:18:14] <zeeshan> he was thinking he needs tool holders with coolant provision for all his tools
[19:18:15] <zeeshan> im like no.
[19:18:24] <zeeshan> just drilling, maybe one for deep slotting and tapping
[19:18:41] <zeeshan> but if he doesnt want to blow money, he can get by all those operations just going slower
[19:18:51] <zeeshan> and for deep slotting, w/ air blast
[19:18:59] <zeeshan> 150 holder vs 230
[19:19:04] <Sync> pfft
[19:19:07] <zeeshan> he has 40 holders to get
[19:19:11] <Sync> I'd spend the extra 80 on some
[19:19:17] <zeeshan> why?
[19:19:29] <zeeshan> youre never going to use the coolant provision in an er32 holder meant for end mills only
[19:19:38] <Sync> because of the odd job that comes up
[19:19:41] <Sync> sure, not on those
[19:19:43] <zeeshan> youre not getting me
[19:19:46] <zeeshan> now you are
[19:19:47] <zeeshan> :P
[19:19:49] <enleth> OSG seems to be in a habit of releasing crazy fast acting tooling
[19:19:58] <Sync> well, why would he buy 40 er32 holders?
[19:20:03] <zeeshan> hes not
[19:20:06] <zeeshan> he's buying 6-7
[19:20:08] <enleth> I've seen a video of their taps that tapped holes almost as fast as that drill made them
[19:20:23] <Sync> yeah and on say a weldon holder I'd go for coolant
[19:21:25] <Duc> caution on ER collets for thru coolant, you can push the tool out with the help of heavy milling
[19:22:15] <Duc> we had to switch to a weldon shank or a tang grip setup with some 3/4" end mills
[19:22:50] <zeeshan> er32 seems like the wrong choice for 3/4" :P
[19:22:59] <zeeshan> tg100 or er40
[19:23:47] <Duc> Regofix is nice but pricey as a low runout holder
[19:26:09] <zeeshan> finally programmed the hole portion
[19:26:25] <Duc> If you need a faster spindle speed for a small bit and you have thru the spindle coolant
[19:26:27] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumyWgaCaqI
[19:26:35] <Duc> they work awesome
[19:26:43] <Sync> they are horribly inefficient tho
[19:27:26] <zeeshan> 239 center drills, 203 #7 drill 1/2" deep, 203 1/4-20 tapped holes 1/2" deep, 36 7/64 drill holes .4 deep, 36 1/8 reamer of those previous holes .375" deep
[19:27:29] <zeeshan> this will be fun :D
[19:28:03] <Duc> Sync: why do you think that
[19:28:05] <zeeshan> whats horribly inefficient sync
[19:28:23] <zeeshan> typically when coolant is flying like that everywhere
[19:28:26] <zeeshan> its just show :P
[19:28:27] <zeeshan> haha
[19:30:33] <malcom2073> Hah, zeeshanIt uses the coolant to turn the spindle
[19:30:39] <malcom2073> Rather than a motor
[19:30:49] <zeeshan> lol
[19:30:53] <malcom2073> http://www.iscar.com/Products.aspx/CountryID/1/ProductId/12042
[19:31:10] <zeeshan> wow i thought you were joking
[19:31:12] <Duc> and how much is it to change the spindle out on a CNC when you only need the RPM for one small tool
[19:31:23] <malcom2073> Speedos!
[19:40:54] <Duc> wohoo custom M-codes now working for rotary clamp
[20:04:52] <bobo__> BeachBumPete: what's the latest on the ratio of palmetto bugs to realtors and financial advisors where you all are.
[20:06:20] <BeachBumPete> Dunno man there are far too many of all of em' :D
[20:07:16] <bobo__> I am cheering for the bugs
[20:07:37] <BeachBumPete> gee thanks
[20:10:50] <bobo__> is the bank still keeping you out of the loan information loop
[20:12:01] <BeachBumPete> hehe man I don't know all I know is we have the cash burning a hole and just need to get the rest from the bank. Hopefully things start flowing this week....
[20:13:27] <BeachBumPete> jeez man my internet here is SLOW AS HELL
[20:14:52] <zeeshan> :D
[20:15:42] <bobo__> call the loan dept and ask if it would help them if you send your Bonney&Clide advisors to their office
[20:16:52] <BeachBumPete> maybe I just barge in there with my rem pump action LOL that might light a fire under some butts hehee just kidding of course
[20:21:05] <BeachBumPete> can someone explain to me why anyone would buy a vehicle called an Xterra and NOT get a 4x4 model? I mean doesn't that NOT compute?
[20:22:08] <malcom2073> BeachBumPete: For the urban jungle!
[20:22:23] <bobo__> not in today's world . Pete you are living in the past
[20:22:25] <BeachBumPete> it's just nuts...
[20:22:55] <BeachBumPete> like buying a mustang with a 4 cylinder.... or a subaru without the boxer turbo in it :D
[20:26:56] <bobo__> Pete Pete Pete you need to get over the old way of thinking and get with the new way of things. quit trying to make people like me feel better and move on with life
[20:27:15] <gregcnc> osg drilling slow mo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrfzSp0uDLI
[20:27:27] <BeachBumPete> naah I will KEEP on keepin on man.. I can't do anything else
[20:28:42] <malcom2073> gregcnc: That's glorious
[20:30:04] <zeeshan> seems like that chip breaking
[20:30:06] <zeeshan> is always the key :D
[20:32:02] <gregcnc> I like OSG stuff. I don't use enough of any tool to be picky, but the OSG I've used was good.
[20:32:12] <zeeshan> i has their taps
[20:32:17] <zeeshan> seksi
[20:33:23] <gregcnc> those drills again https://youtu.be/e0yM5fHjxqc
[20:40:43] <gregcnc> linuxcnc glue gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKM0UYiMRdk
[20:42:50] <malcom2073> awfully slow, my linuxcnc glue gun runs a lot faster heh
[20:43:40] <gregcnc> what software generates gcode for fdm?
[20:43:58] <malcom2073> gregcnc: They're called "slicers"
[20:44:01] <djdelorie> I use slic3r
[20:44:02] <malcom2073> There's a bunch of them around
[20:44:09] <malcom2073> I use Simplify3D
[20:45:33] <gregcnc> do you use an extruder on your mill or have another machine?
[20:46:38] <malcom2073> I have another machine heh
[20:46:55] <malcom2073> My mill is way too slow
[20:47:28] <gregcnc> what kind of feeds does the printer run at?
[20:47:49] <malcom2073> I travel at 80mm/sec, and print at 40mm/sec
[20:48:05] <djdelorie> depends on the plastic and desired quality, too
[20:48:14] <malcom2073> Yeah, I only use ABS
[20:48:19] <BeachBumPete> I would probably enjoy playing with an extruder on my VMC to be able to try some 3d printing but got other things to worry about now...
[20:48:45] <malcom2073> Our Matsurra at work is probalby fast enough to do 3d printing heh
[20:48:46] <gregcnc> that's actually pretty fast. but I could get that from frankenmill
[20:49:01] <malcom2073> gregcnc: But can you do accelerations of 2000mm/sec^2
[20:49:01] <malcom2073> ?
[20:49:30] <malcom2073> When doing infil inside of a solid piece, unles you do straight lines (which I try to avoid), you do a lot of direction changes which can slow things down a lot
[20:49:31] <gregcnc> i'd have to check what it's set too over 1000 for sure
[20:49:52] <malcom2073> You don't have to print that fast, you can get decent results at lower speeds
[20:50:05] <djdelorie> eventually
[20:50:21] <malcom2073> For ABS I have to print ina heated enclosure, and if I slow down too much I don't get decent adhesion between the layers
[20:50:39] <djdelorie> have you tried PETG yet?
[20:50:45] <gregcnc> I looked into it some time ago, but couldn't find a software that would output gcode
[20:51:07] <malcom2073> I've not, ABS works great so I've not seen a need to switch
[20:51:16] <malcom2073> gregcnc: look up slic3r
[20:51:21] <malcom2073> it takes in a STL, and generates gcode
[20:51:32] <djdelorie> I had to print something with a big enough footprint that shrinkage kept killing it
[20:51:36] <gregcnc> yes i found the site
[20:51:43] <djdelorie> but it needed to be more heat resistant than PLA
[20:51:47] <CaptHindsight> why not just print the shell and fill with thermoset or plastic?
[20:52:20] <djdelorie> If you fill it with something hot, the heat will probably ruin it
[20:52:21] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha, that's why I use a heated enclosure, it helps minmize uneven shrinkage
[20:52:48] <djdelorie> PETG prints like ABS but doesn't shrink as much so you don't need the heated enclosure
[20:53:00] <CaptHindsight> oh jeez
[20:53:32] <gregcnc> heated table, enclosure, probably just build another machine
[20:53:36] <malcom2073> Yeah, if I didn't have a heated enclosure I'd probably worry about that heh
[20:53:51] <malcom2073> Seems a lot of people have moved over to using PETG
[20:53:51] <djdelorie> Capt: I've seen 3D prints used as a mold for a lost-plastic metal casting
[20:54:45] <djdelorie> PETG is stronger than ABS too, but it seems "stringier" during print - more strings and blobs etc
[20:56:09] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:57:34] <gregcnc> formlabs has a free slicer for dlp
[21:02:26] <zeeshan> formlabs makes nice printers :D
[21:02:48] <zeeshan> hmm mcam saying this fixture will take 1hr 35 min to make
[21:02:52] <zeeshan> i predict 2hrs at least
[21:05:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BApjBdn.png
[21:05:56] <zeeshan> !
[21:12:47] <gregcnc> andypugh weren't you talking about this recently http://www.hybridcars.com/ford-patent-suggests-fake-engine-noises-can-save-fuel/
[21:13:51] <malcom2073> Who the hell drives standard transmission anymore? They're getting harder and harder to find on economy vehicles
[21:15:44] <andypugh> Not directly, but yes, we have lots of evidence that folk drive by ear, and that changes in nooise can have unexpected effects.
[21:15:47] <zeeshan> <- drives a mt
[21:16:05] <BeachBumPete> malcom2073 I know right.. Seems like you cannot find a 5 speed anywhere LOL
[21:16:38] <malcom2073> My DD is a expedition, automatic. My fun car is still a 5speed though heh
[21:16:40] <andypugh> My motorbike, for example, somehow seems to beg you to rev it harder, the higher the engine speed. I have no idea what the actual cues are.
[21:17:03] <malcom2073> I do it by power, I'll shift a bit after the power starts dropping
[21:17:03] <BeachBumPete> personally I would rather have a manual than an auto any day but my van is auto because its my cumfy cruiser for the family
[21:17:18] <malcom2073> Yeah the expedition is my family car heh
[21:17:40] <malcom2073> Full throttle or full brake
[21:17:42] <malcom2073> there is no inbetween :-D
[21:17:52] <BeachBumPete> I think a lot of cars now come with shiftable autos so that is another reason
[21:17:54] <andypugh> Currently I am working on a 9-speed auto powertrain. They have noticed that, actually, 7th is never used, so it’s being deleted.
[21:18:34] <gregcnc> I dunno i shift when i want to shift, sometimes it's ~2k, other times 6k.
[21:18:50] <malcom2073> I feel that the kind of people that frequent this channel aren't typical people
[21:18:55] <BeachBumPete> Im still trying to find my wife a vehicle down here but I am trying to find a cream puff for a smokin deal hehe
[21:19:01] <andypugh> (the newer autos skip gears, for example launching in second on gentle pedal input, then going to 4th next)
[21:19:36] <gregcnc> i think people will be upset when they buy a 9 speed an 8th is missing
[21:19:53] <gregcnc> or 7th
[21:20:07] <gregcnc> are they all dual clutch now?
[21:20:40] <andypugh> gregcnc: It appears not.
[21:21:16] <gregcnc> i don't pay any attention anymore, haven't been in the market for a new or even late model for a while
[21:21:34] <andypugh> Nor I. In fact I have never owned a car :-)
[21:21:50] <BeachBumPete> sure you have
[21:21:55] <gregcnc> only the almostcar
[21:21:57] <BeachBumPete> a NERAcar
[21:22:40] <malcom2073> Granny shifting not double clutching like you should
[21:22:46] <zeeshan> haha fnf ftw
[21:23:00] <BeachBumPete> love that shite
[21:23:03] <andypugh> I have decided I want a Leon Bolle. They are brilliant.
[21:23:08] <BeachBumPete> watched it yesterday
[21:23:10] <gregcnc> syncros are intended to wear
[21:23:23] <zeeshan> carbon syncros ftw!
[21:23:31] <BeachBumPete> gears are intended to grind ;)
[21:24:01] <gregcnc> in production
[21:24:06] <BeachBumPete> any of you guys ever had a mitsu SUV?
[21:25:00] <andypugh> BeachBumPete: You shoukd buy a Ford. Anything else in unpatriotic ;-)
[21:25:33] <BeachBumPete> have owned many
[21:26:26] <BeachBumPete> nobody owned a mitsubishi SUV?
[21:27:22] <andypugh> I don’t approve of SUVs. And I feel very odd driving them.
[21:27:45] <andypugh> Because, as it happens, they are pretty much all I drive at the moment.
[21:27:47] <BeachBumPete> your approval is not required ;)
[21:28:32] <BeachBumPete> the reason I ask is I was chatting with the neighbor and told her I was looking for a nice vehicle for my wife
[21:29:05] <BeachBumPete> and she offered me her Mistubishi Montero Limited for what sounded like a good price.
[21:29:08] <andypugh> Absolutely. I don’t even expect my approval or siapproval to affect my own decisions.
[21:29:19] <BeachBumPete> it is a nice looking truck and VERY nice inside
[21:29:58] <BeachBumPete> I just never owned a mitsu before and never really considered one
[21:30:12] <jdh> Yukon XL. mitsu is a toy truck
[21:30:15] <BeachBumPete> it kinda reminds me of a landcruiser
[21:30:48] <andypugh> Ah, Pajero / Shogun? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Pajero
[21:31:23] <BeachBumPete> hmmm I was not aware that they were the same thing
[21:32:07] <andypugh> They have a very good record on the Dakar rally. Not sure that their off-road toughness is relevant to our use-case and purchasing decision.
[21:32:09] <BeachBumPete> jdh I like that avalanche...similar to the yukon
[21:32:28] <jdh> yeah, I like the all enclosed, full-sized SUV thingie
[21:32:29] <BeachBumPete> oh really? I was not aware of that either
[21:32:52] <jdh> I probably have 200 yards in 4wd on mine.
[21:33:53] <jdh> don't think I've ever seen a 4th gen montero
[21:34:00] <BeachBumPete> I certainly need 4wd LESS here than I did in Tennessee but it would be nice to be able to take the kayak trailer and fishing stuff off the road a bit to the remote locations and not feel like I am gonna get stuck every time
[21:35:59] <andypugh> I have a super-capable off-road vehicle that is one wheel drive. Admittedly it would be terrible at towing a kayak trailer.
[21:36:31] <BeachBumPete> I don't think an R1 qualifies :D
[21:38:28] <andypugh> The R1 is not great off-road, I mean the GasGas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_Gas#/media/File:2003_Gas_Gas_EC_200.JPG
[21:38:56] <BeachBumPete> yeah hard to carry much on that one LOL
[21:38:57] <Polymorphism> I'm getting the 6040
[21:40:10] <djdelorie> videos or it didn't happen
[21:40:21] <andypugh> BeachBumPete: On the other hand, when you are off-road on that, you don’t miss the fact that you don’t have a kayak when you get to the end of the trail, you just want to find another trail.
[21:40:40] <BeachBumPete> can
[21:40:51] <BeachBumPete> can't even carry a fishing pole
[21:41:00] <BeachBumPete> hehehe
[21:41:10] <BeachBumPete> gn8
[21:44:16] <andypugh> My 10,04 machine now crashes the update manager after it tells me that the OS is not supported any more. I guess that it is a bug they won’t fix :-)
[21:47:40] <bobo__> andypugh any fix for your SCR problems , yet?
[21:49:19] <andypugh> I have changed to mechanical relays. Not before ordering 10 SSRs from various sources, though, so now I have a lifetime supply. The machanical relays actually have a slight advatage, they have NC contacts and SSRs don’t. That allows for better interlocking.
[21:50:43] <andypugh> Anyway, I think it is time to sleep. I have am busy incubating cold viruses.