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[00:00:11] <xxcodermill> err cm
[00:00:16] <xxcodermill> 5 cm rad circle
[00:01:17] <zeeshan> sec
[00:02:01] <zeeshan> assuming your tool path is right in the middle of the cutter
[00:02:03] <zeeshan> so no tool offset
[00:02:44] <xxcodermill> its running lcnc logo program now
[00:03:15] <zeeshan> ah
[00:03:18] <zeeshan> whats your stepping set to
[00:03:22] <xxcodermill> 2
[00:03:27] <xxcodermill> or rather 1/2
[00:03:31] <zeeshan> id change to at least 1/4
[00:03:38] <zeeshan> i hear resonance
[00:03:52] <xxcodermill> I feel it
[00:04:12] <xxcodermill> any skipping?
[00:05:27] <zeeshan> no skipping
[00:05:29] <zeeshan> just resonance
[00:05:44] <xxcodermill> awesome, lemme change to 1/4
[00:05:59] <xxcodermill> docs were apparently wrong, it IS 1, 2, 4, 8
[00:06:20] <xxcodermill> tests with "1/8" (really 1/4) gave me all wrong scales
[00:06:29] <xxcodermill> gonna love flawed docs.
[00:06:30] <zeeshan> your units are mm
[00:06:31] <zeeshan> right
[00:07:03] <xxcodermill> ok lemme go home a sec
[00:07:30] <zeeshan> N10 G3 X0. Y-50. I50. J0. N20 G3 X50. Y0. I0. J50. N30 G3 X0. Y50. I-50. J0. N40 G3 X-50. Y0. I0. J-50.
[00:07:31] <zeeshan> er
[00:07:44] <zeeshan> http://codepad.org/INutFtTe
[00:07:51] <zeeshan> assuming your units are mm..
[00:07:57] <xxcodermill> it is
[00:10:07] <xxcodermill> it was on 1/4 and config on 1/2 lol
[00:10:21] <xxcodermill> I set it to 1/8 and running config
[00:11:52] <zeeshan> sounds so much smoother :P
[00:13:03] <zeeshan> resonance :)
[00:13:52] <xxcodermill> yeah very low speed
[00:13:55] <xxcodermill> 3 mm/s?
[00:14:30] <zeeshan> sounds better
[00:14:34] <zeeshan> so much smoother
[00:14:40] <zeeshan> cant even hear anything haha
[00:15:12] <zeeshan> reonance
[00:15:26] <xxcodermill> 10 mm/s minium
[00:15:31] <xxcodermill> lower than that and I feel it
[00:15:49] <xxcodermill> well scale is correct for 1/8
[00:15:55] <xxcodermill> docs say 1/16 lol
[00:16:18] <zeeshan> lol
[00:16:42] <xxcodermill> Z as silk smooth
[00:17:05] <xxcodermill> well besides high turnover
[00:17:24] <xxcodermill> hows it sound
[00:18:05] <zeeshan> sounds smooth
[00:18:36] <xxcodermill> sigh
[00:18:41] <xxcodermill> 10 mm/s is 600 mm/m
[00:19:00] <xxcodermill> means it still has resorance problem
[00:19:10] <xxcodermill> in least below 600 mm/m
[00:20:01] <zeeshan> resonance
[00:20:06] <xxcodermill> feel it around 5 to 7 mm/s
[00:21:43] <xxcodermill> its right in range I want to run it at
[00:21:56] <xxcodermill> 10 mm/s is 600 mm/m
[00:22:30] <zeeshan> ah
[00:22:40] <xxcodermill> hm so whats best solution
[00:23:16] <zeeshan> you could try increasing microstepping and see if it helps
[00:23:20] <zeeshan> thats the only thing i can think of
[00:23:22] <xxcodermill> whats awesome is tb6560 isnt heating up
[00:23:24] <zeeshan> this is a driver issue
[00:23:31] <xxcodermill> it got so hot I had to use big fan on it
[00:23:39] <xxcodermill> 1/8 is maxc unfortunatelty
[00:24:05] <xxcodermill> lemme try 1/2
[00:25:05] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lCAxs
[00:25:06] <zeeshan> woohoo
[00:25:08] <zeeshan> fixture designed
[00:26:15] <xxcodermill> nice!!
[00:26:19] <xxcodermill> mastercam?
[00:26:25] <zeeshan> no in solidworks
[00:26:27] <zeeshan> no programming yet
[00:27:25] <zeeshan> haha
[00:27:28] <zeeshan> what song are you playing
[00:27:33] <zeeshan> with your steppers
[00:27:34] <zeeshan> haha
[00:27:38] <xxcodermill> lol dunno
[00:27:42] <zeeshan> it sounded like a song.
[00:27:44] <xxcodermill> below mm range
[00:27:47] <zeeshan> ah
[00:28:33] <xxcodermill> 40 mm/s sound nasty
[00:29:37] <zeeshan> ok its late
[00:29:38] <zeeshan> bed time :P
[00:29:40] <zeeshan> good luck
[00:29:45] <xxcodermill> thanks
[00:29:55] <xxcodermill> it felt ok besides 40 mm/s so just stay below that
[00:48:32] <xxcodermill> okay
[00:48:48] <xxcodermill> 20 mm/m circle ia ever-chnaging vibrations lol
[01:30:30] <archivist> XXCoder here is the difficult bit, differentiate vibrations from cutter and steppers and machine resonance
[01:56:24] <mase-tech> Hi Peps
[01:56:31] <mase-tech> good morning
[02:04:17] <zeeshan> cant sleep =/
[02:04:34] <archivist> WAKE UP
[02:04:46] <zeeshan> no
[02:05:43] <archivist> I thought of another clamping method after seeing latest jig
[02:06:07] <XXCoder> archivist: hey
[02:06:19] <XXCoder> zeeshan: good morning
[02:06:26] <zeeshan> archivist: the latest being this one:
[02:06:35] <archivist> is part change speed important
[02:06:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tNVXLu3.png
[02:06:43] <zeeshan> ?
[02:06:54] <archivist> yes
[02:07:02] <zeeshan> when you say part change
[02:07:05] <zeeshan> do you mean onto the fixture
[02:07:08] <zeeshan> er
[02:07:13] <zeeshan> onto the modular plate
[02:07:14] <zeeshan> or the fixture
[02:07:16] <archivist> off/on the sum of
[02:07:24] <zeeshan> on off the modular plate is not a problem
[02:07:34] <XXCoder> zeeshan: shut machine down for day, but uploading last test
[02:07:34] <zeeshan> but indexing the modular plates onto the fixture should be quick
[02:07:36] <archivist> onto/off the modular plate
[02:07:55] <XXCoder> thrn I had to repair transition point from Y to Z wiring, it slipped off lol
[02:08:07] <XXCoder> its secured much better so wires wont be in danger now
[02:10:43] <archivist> arm with lever per item to force end with belville springs per item
[02:11:17] <archivist> no messing with screws/nuts
[02:11:59] <XXCoder> zeeshan:
https://youtu.be/GTYpwJTB39A
[02:14:25] <archivist> some horrid sounds in that
[02:14:49] <XXCoder> resouance or?
[02:15:12] <archivist> camera should be pointing at some thing sensible so we can see errors to match sound
[02:15:16] <XXCoder> it still has those issues but in least it dont seem to be skipping
[02:15:24] <zeeshan> sounds good
[02:15:32] <zeeshan> its a hell of a lot better
[02:15:33] <zeeshan> than before :)
[02:15:37] <archivist> I thought I did hear a stall
[02:15:53] <XXCoder> hmm that site did recommand only 25 mm/s
[02:16:08] <XXCoder> mines set at 40 mm/s at x and y and 35 mm/s for z
[02:16:45] <XXCoder> archivist: this is how it sounded before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTTuFjYc0I
[02:17:16] <XXCoder> that ball em is... very blunt. 27000 rpm eats tools. lol
[02:17:25] <XXCoder> its been running for hours on that em
[02:17:31] <archivist> feel vibrations while watching movement and tool contact
[02:17:51] <XXCoder> yeah it still does it, but in least its now "sometimes"
[02:18:04] <XXCoder> rather than constant pretty harash vibrations
[02:18:22] <XXCoder> did you listen to earlier version?
[02:19:07] <archivist> bag of nails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTTuFjYc0I
[02:19:31] <XXCoder> lol
[02:19:53] <archivist> you have some resonances and rattles
[02:20:51] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:01] <XXCoder> later version? yeah it still feel bit rough at times
[02:21:25] <XXCoder> not sure how to tune it so it happens at much higher speeds but smooth below 50 mm/s
[02:21:33] <XXCoder> then cap at 50 mm/s and be done
[02:23:25] <XXCoder> I'd love speeds at 200 mm/s but that is unlikely
[02:24:38] <archivist> slow it down a bit
[02:24:59] <XXCoder> its worse at worse speeds, like 10 mm/s
[02:25:00] <archivist> steppers dont like high speed
[02:25:19] <XXCoder> thats just 600 mm/m not fast enough to cut with 27000 rpm
[02:27:02] <XXCoder> resorance seem to have peaks at 3 , 6,7,8, 40 mm/s
[02:27:20] <XXCoder> it feels so bad at 7 and 40
[02:28:47] <archivist> always pick other speed away from resonance
[02:29:06] <XXCoder> yeah problem its in bad range
[02:29:25] <XXCoder> I want to move resourance range away from 0-50mm/s
[02:29:42] <XXCoder> qjoypad gonna look into that
[02:29:53] <XXCoder> so can use my nes usb joystick to use as pendant
[02:30:07] <archivist> it is mid range, you have to thow steppers in the bin to completely avoid resonance
[02:30:13] <archivist> throw
[02:30:30] <XXCoder> hmm resonance cause skips?
[02:31:04] <archivist> microstepping helps with resonance but also limits the top speed
[02:31:20] <XXCoder> it could go 200 mm/s very smoothly
[02:31:31] <XXCoder> so there is pretrty good amount of room
[02:31:34] <Meduza> Better stepper drivers do also have some tricks for lowering midband resonances
[02:31:45] <archivist> it has to accelerate through resonance
[02:31:47] <XXCoder> mines chinese special
[02:32:08] <XXCoder> yeah I used axis test and took speed up by 1 mm/s a time and feel
[02:32:21] <XXCoder> zeeshan said it sounded like i'm playing stepper music lol
[02:32:44] <XXCoder> probably imperial march ;) kidding dunno
[02:33:29] <archivist> daisy.ngc for real music
[02:34:08] <XXCoder> lol ok
[02:35:25] <zeeshan> man
[02:35:30] <zeeshan> this fixture has gotten quite complex so quickly
[02:35:35] <zeeshan> but its going to be soooooooo efficient
[02:35:50] <XXCoder> you remember my idea on just mounting stepper directly ;)
[02:36:11] <XXCoder> not that its a great idea lol
[02:40:20] <zeeshan> haha
[02:40:27] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lCAxs
[02:40:29] <zeeshan> that last image
[02:40:34] <zeeshan> damn thats a lotta parts and screws on there
[02:40:49] <XXCoder> could call police and tell em youre making lowers ;)
[02:41:14] <XXCoder> so it has 3 stages
[02:41:29] <XXCoder> I guess first step just needs stright in jaws
[02:41:30] <zeeshan> 3 stages for the body
[02:41:32] <XXCoder> drill hole
[02:41:38] <zeeshan> 1 stage for the metal parts
[02:41:59] <zeeshan> still trying to figure out how to not use a vise for the first step where i drill the hole
[02:42:11] <zeeshan> the problem is all the damn wood pieces vary in size..
[02:42:13] <XXCoder> theres always 2 steps minium
[02:42:13] <zeeshan> its annoying as hell.
[02:42:24] <XXCoder> you gonna have precise surface for next steps
[02:42:36] <archivist> tooooo much time doing and undoing nuts screws
[02:42:39] <XXCoder> the techogrip is hella nice for very complex parts
[02:42:51] <zeeshan> archivist: i love my impact driver
[02:43:00] <zeeshan> i bet you i can unbolt 100 screws in 3 min
[02:43:03] <zeeshan> :)
[02:43:12] <zeeshan> but i cant guarantee that i can put them back in 3 min
[02:43:13] <zeeshan> prolly 10 min
[02:43:21] <archivist> one lever is....quicker
[02:43:31] <zeeshan> yes but thats $$
[02:43:37] <zeeshan> screw is 10 cents
[02:43:41] <zeeshan> *bolt
[02:50:58] <zeeshan> sweet 511 points
[02:51:03] <zeeshan> 167 tapped holes
[02:51:18] <zeeshan> 30 mins
[02:51:24] <XXCoder> nice
[02:51:28] <zeeshan> long live cnc
[02:51:36] <XXCoder> nes is working as pendant from what I see
[02:51:39] <XXCoder> qjoypad --notray
[02:51:53] <XXCoder> and can configure joystick buttons stuff as keyboard keypresses
[02:52:02] <XXCoder> is there shortcut for axis change?
[02:55:03] <XXCoder> "Pause Execution [P] Resume Execution[S] "
[02:55:21] <XXCoder> hmm can I make s change state not require p to pause
[02:57:08] <XXCoder> and yes, zeeshan long live cnc lol
[02:57:21] <zeeshan> damn it i did something wrong
[02:57:23] <zeeshan> 1hr 25 min
[02:57:24] <zeeshan> still
[02:57:30] <zeeshan> better than doing that crap by hand
[02:57:35] <XXCoder> yep
[02:58:42] <XXCoder> bpaspbspabpbsppppbpa
[02:58:46] <XXCoder> oops
[02:58:52] <XXCoder> wrong window lol
[02:58:58] <XXCoder> was testing my nes controller
[02:59:48] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_keyboard_controls nice
[03:02:54] <XXCoder> archivist: know keyboard shortcut to change axis in cyclic style, not specific axis
[03:03:49] <archivist> short cuts are listed somewhere
[03:03:56] <XXCoder> yeah cant find full list yet
[03:04:38] <archivist> configurable anyway
[03:04:45] <XXCoder> there is shortcuts 1,2,3,4,5 .. 9 for ais
[03:06:26] <XXCoder> found it, no good news for me
[03:08:35] <XXCoder> lol maybe xbox one is better
[03:08:44] <XXCoder> but then nes one is nice for simple stuff
[03:09:36] <XXCoder> arrows for jog, select for home, start for touchoff, B button for umm something? A for e-stop
[03:09:40] <XXCoder> B maybe pause
[03:21:25] <XXCoder> archivist: is there a way to add script activatable by key shortcut?
[03:22:01] <archivist> probably, never wanted to
[03:22:14] <XXCoder> ok
[04:09:54] <XXCoder> http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/hacking-planned-obsolescence-through-the-art-of-repairing-not-replacing/
[04:09:57] <XXCoder> this is cool
[04:10:01] <XXCoder> wish i had more skills
[04:10:27] <XXCoder> I gain skills way slower than average, even with my fairly high iq :(
[04:12:01] <archivist> I have spent all my working life fixing things
[04:14:10] <XXCoder> cool :)
[04:25:35] <archivist> you need a couple of abilities, be able to work out how something works, fault find
[04:27:12] <XXCoder> I still havent completely fixed my van
[04:27:21] <XXCoder> though it is definitely improved lol
[04:27:55] <archivist> multiple faults makes it a bit harder :)
[04:28:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:28:46] <XXCoder> still puzzled on that darn van
[04:28:50] <archivist> diagnosis of the faults in order to find them sometimes needs good equipment
[04:29:00] <XXCoder> I need a vacuum dial
[04:29:15] <XXCoder> so I can test vacuum system
[04:29:40] <archivist> or just completely take it apart and fix all possible leaks
[04:29:52] <XXCoder> one is very nastily located
[04:29:59] <XXCoder> below egr, waay back
[04:30:10] <archivist> all seals and rotton hoses
[04:30:12] <XXCoder> metal vacuum hose connected to it
[04:30:29] <XXCoder> that section dont feel good condition rubber so probably rotted
[04:30:42] <XXCoder> but basically impossible to remove
[04:30:57] <The_Ball> At the start of a program can I prompt the user for a variable? Say a diameter
[04:30:58] <XXCoder> in least by my skillset, entire air manfold has to be removed.
[04:33:36] <XXCoder> hmm possibly, dont know much about scripts.
[04:33:36] <archivist> The_Ball, I edit the gcode to do that
[04:34:07] <The_Ball> Me too, but I was hoping for a cleaner way
[04:34:20] <archivist> there is another user interface called features or something like that that can help with data entry
[04:35:20] <archivist> I have a pyvcp panel to adjust hal directly for the hobbing machine
[04:44:33] <The_Ball> I've had a look at features which is pretty nifty for simple operations. There's a rewrite which is pretty good, but the lathe part of it has been left behind
[04:45:10] <The_Ball> perhaps I can hack it together with a custom M code to call a application that brings up a prompt
[05:42:21] <MrSunshine> hmm does anyone have a drawing of how a atc works internaly ... for spindle without throughthole for drawbar =)
[05:48:28] <archivist> not aware of any without some form of drawbar
[05:48:58] <XXCoder> is there cheap version of this
http://www.rockler.com/universal-t-track-universal-t-track
[05:49:02] <mase-tech> archivist: can u show a good cnc machine without being to expensive ?
[05:49:03] <MrSunshine> http://www.usovo.de/shop/Milling-spindles-accessories/Adapter-tool-changer/China-spindle-Toolchanger/Toolchangersystem-China-Spindle::634.html?language=en&MODsid=6tihmt8lsl9b2pil58usl0agl2
[05:49:06] <MrSunshine> thinking this type
[05:51:16] <XXCoder> man I would love toolchanger. lol
[05:51:36] <mase-tech> XXCoder: Hi man whats up
[05:51:49] <mase-tech> XXCoder: Do u have a cnc machine ?
[05:51:49] <archivist> mase-tech, that question is impossible to answer
[05:51:55] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYpwJTB39A mase-tech
[05:52:09] <XXCoder> and yes, which cnc is best is impossible question
[05:52:35] <mase-tech> I considered this
[05:52:36] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/282024941542?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[05:52:38] <XXCoder> do you need flat cutting surface? do you need general box area work space? do you need to make round stuff?
[05:52:59] <XXCoder> ah cubic area it is
[05:53:25] <XXCoder> funny, it looks like a drill.
[05:53:40] <mase-tech> I mean I am already building some DIY bullshit (for learning)
[05:54:01] <mase-tech> But I am also planing some more "proffesional" thing
[05:54:27] <mase-tech> And I ask myself which kind of cnc do I need and which material do i want to
[05:54:30] <mase-tech> work with
[05:54:34] <XXCoder> know what?
[05:54:44] <archivist> do not get that ebay thing, it is only good for drilling
[05:54:59] <XXCoder> that toolchanger thing would help me fit 52mm spindle on my 43 mm hclamp
[05:55:39] <mase-tech> I after thinging I need a machine which I can work with materials to build other machines
[05:55:53] <mase-tech> This makes the most sense for me
[05:55:58] <XXCoder> that machine is very cheap. about the only good thing I see
[05:56:50] <archivist> it has a few design errors, the round column and its clamping
[05:57:06] <mase-tech> At current state ( I am student) I cannot afford a 20000$ machine
[05:57:22] <mase-tech> 1000$ is most
[05:57:23] <XXCoder> my machine you see in video cost me less than $1000
[05:57:33] <archivist> you can get a far better used machine
[05:57:37] <XXCoder> but you want mill not router
[05:57:53] <XXCoder> yeah machines lose value quite fast
[05:58:00] <mase-tech> XXCoder: Can u machine hard metall ?
[05:58:06] <XXCoder> lol nope
[05:58:15] <XXCoder> probably not even with proper spindle
[05:58:17] <mase-tech> XXCoder: I am your first abo
[05:58:22] <mase-tech> in youtube <3
[05:58:25] <mase-tech> XXCoder:
[05:58:44] <mase-tech> Rold Redford got a abo by me :D
[05:58:54] <XXCoder> abo?
[05:59:02] <mase-tech> Subscription
[05:59:05] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:59:13] <XXCoder> cool thanks heh
[06:00:01] <mase-tech> <- I am the first one
[06:00:11] <XXCoder> think I can cut Al with 27000 rpm spindle lol
[06:00:27] <mase-tech> archivist: can u show me
[06:00:28] <XXCoder> alum gets like clay at that speed :P
[06:00:34] <archivist> mase-tech, join a local model engineering society to find good used machines
[06:02:55] <mase-tech> archivist: did u see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[06:03:10] <mase-tech> Thats a machine same design
[06:04:34] <mase-tech> I could convert the posted one too
[06:05:43] <archivist> that is NOT the same as that ebay mill/drill
[06:06:09] <XXCoder> too much of drill and not enough of mill
[06:06:27] <archivist> the ebay mill/drill cannot have cnc Z
[06:07:37] <mase-tech> archivist:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bohr-und-Frasmaschine-KF-10-230-V-Bernardo/141843297670?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D70e1961fecaa42cdbb6f4e4f8f6cd3c8%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D26%26sd%3D331244490562
[06:07:43] <mase-tech> would this be better
[06:07:52] <XXCoder> that ebay one is excellent machine for conversion into "automatic manual" machine
[06:08:00] <XXCoder> I used one, its great for simple jobs.
[06:08:12] <XXCoder> but cnx it wont be
[06:08:28] <mase-tech> XXCoder: U mean the secound one I posted ? the blue one ?
[06:08:35] <XXCoder> no earlier drill one
[06:08:40] <archivist> the bf10 has that poor joint on the column
[06:14:18] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/BEMATO-VH-OA-Frasmaschine-universal-/272227647623?hash=item3f62084087:g:ReAAAOSw2GlXF0~U
[06:14:24] <mase-tech> Not affordable
[06:15:03] <XXCoder> funny how much cheaper routers tend to be.
[06:15:15] <XXCoder> but same time routers tend to be unable to cut hard metals
[06:18:31] <mase-tech> What about this
[06:18:32] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/KF-16-L-Vario-Bernardo-Bohr-und-Frasmaschine-/231268034909?hash=item35d8a6295d:g:StsAAOSwPc9WwkiF
[06:18:47] <mase-tech> 1 200 Euro I need donations :D
[06:19:31] <XXCoder> interesting looking one
[06:19:36] <Sync> no, you just have to save up
[06:19:44] <XXCoder> dunno if any good though, never used those
[06:19:59] <archivist> mase-tech, find a second hand one
[06:26:10] <mase-tech> hmm
[06:29:16] <archivist> this is why I think you should join a local model engineering club, you can use theirs and often that is a place to locate second hand
[06:29:44] <archivist> or a hackerspace
[06:30:30] <XXCoder> I remember that mill project
[06:30:37] <XXCoder> uses 8020 to create a mill machine.
[06:31:45] <XXCoder> hmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HxB3_yZigk
[06:31:56] <XXCoder> its milling steel at 12000 rpm
[06:34:01] <XXCoder> cant find that project
[06:36:39] <XXCoder> mase-tech: found something you can afford
[06:36:46] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Proxxon-37110-Micro-Mill-MF/dp/B0017PTAHG/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1462792223&sr=8-15&keywords=cnc+mill+-router
[06:36:56] <XXCoder> probably too tiny though and in usa
[06:38:54] <enleth> Proxxon is actually a German company
[06:39:08] <enleth> and they do make something a little bit bigger, BFW 40/E
[06:39:44] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Sherline-8020-Complete-8-direction-Vcshobbies/dp/B007RFC77U this is riciuous
[06:39:58] <XXCoder> it probably can be made with few 8020 beams.
[06:42:22] <Sync> heh
[06:42:43] <XXCoder> Sync: just grab few 8020s, slider parts
[06:42:45] <XXCoder> done
[06:42:56] <XXCoder> granted, not that good but so are that machibe
[06:43:38] <enleth> XXCoder: this sherline looks so floppy it would probably be more rigid if they used a fair sized rubber dildo for the column
[06:43:51] <XXCoder> lol
[06:44:57] <jthornton> zlog
[06:45:52] <XXCoder> ohhh
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6x20x90L-Ball-Nose-CNC-End-Mill-Cutters-Emery-Diamond-Router-Bit-3D-CNC-Engraving-Router-Bit/2021472986.html
[06:45:57] <XXCoder> my machine can do that.
[06:46:01] <XXCoder> 27,000 rpm after all
[06:49:06] <mase-tech> XXCoder:
http://www.amazon.com/Proxxon-37110-Micro-Mill-MF/dp/B0017PTAHG/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1462792223&sr=8-15&keywords=cnc+mill+-router
[06:49:14] <mase-tech> this is mini
[06:49:50] <XXCoder> yeah I figured that.
[06:52:12] <XXCoder> well laters
[06:55:47] <jthornton> enleth: what chip did you say yesterday I could use to drive an lcd?
[07:15:42] <enleth> jthornton: Arduino, it's an easy to use, pre-made board based on an AVR microcontroller. Requires a shitty, clunky (for my liking, lots of people love it) IDE that dumbs it down a little, but it Just Works and it's genuinely useful for prototyping if you're not experienced with embedded stuff
[07:16:16] <enleth> jthornton: you can buy an original Arduino or get one of the bazillion fully compatible clones
[07:16:36] <jthornton> I have an arduino uno and the lcd and am wondering about just a chip
[07:16:43] <enleth> ah, ok
[07:17:18] <jthornton> and I'm not experienced yet with embedded stuff but willing to try
[07:17:29] <enleth> well, just prototype it on the arduino you have - and when it works, use the same model ATMega that's in the arduino
[07:17:41] <enleth> that way, you will be able to reuse the code as-is
[07:18:10] <enleth> just make a dedicated board when you're sure it's working to free up the actual arduino for another prototyping project
[07:18:25] <enleth> I think Uno uses an ATMega328p
[07:18:45] <enleth> that's available in DIP if you decide to use an universal board for the final part
[07:19:00] <jthornton> this one had a atmega328p-pu
[07:19:35] <enleth> so it's DIP already
[07:19:41] <jthornton> yea
[07:19:42] <enleth> you can get the same thing for pennies
[07:19:59] <enleth> and just copy only those traces you're actually using to the final board
[07:20:07] <jthornton> ok
[07:20:13] <enleth> *and* use the Uno as a programming board if the chip is in a socket
[07:20:15] <enleth> it should be
[07:21:56] <enleth> generally using an arduino and moving to a dedicated board when you sort out all the details is the most efficient way to build AVR-based stuff, unless you've learned AVR programming way back before Arduino came around and have your own ways of doing it
[07:23:52] <jthornton> ok thanks
[07:26:42] <enleth> jthornton: first thing, if the LCD is HD44870, there are existing libraries for this, probably even included with the Arduino IDE/standard library
[07:27:43] <enleth> jthornton: just look for a couple Arduino+HD44870 tutorials, they should all be pretty similar, implement one to get the hang of it, then modify it
[07:28:58] <enleth> jthornton: for your use case, I'd just check some input pins for the PLC error signal in the loop() function, adjust the display with an appropriate message for the signal received and then sleep for 200ms or so
[07:29:26] <enleth> that would give you 5 updates per second and keep power draw reasonably low
[07:29:45] <enleth> not that it matters much here
[07:30:08] <jthornton> 1 update a second is plenty for this
[07:35:08] * jthornton is off to dig until the rain starts
[07:36:02] <archivist> wotno cnc bukket
[07:42:23] <TypeCasting> CNC router, 3d printer, or laser cutter for prototyping electronic project enclosures?
[07:45:45] <archivist> another nick ? with the same question
[07:51:25] <enleth> TypeCasting: you've asked this question a million times, got as many answers and you're still asking it. Why?
[07:54:51] <rene-dev> PCW is there something different on the 7i80DB? I cant build a bitfile that works... 5i25 always works first try.
[07:55:17] <archivist> because he thinks he can hide under another nick, total phail at that
[07:55:25] <TypeCasting> I'm not hiding
[07:55:42] <TypeCasting> if I wanted to hide I'd use one of my multiple VPS
[07:58:01] <enleth> TypeCasting: would you care to answer the question?
[07:58:34] <TypeCasting> enleth, I haven't found the answer yet
[07:59:24] <archivist> there is no "one right answer"
[07:59:24] <gregcnc> logic doesn't apply
[08:00:16] <enleth> TypeCasting: so you're constantly asking the same people the same questions, getting the same answers, and you expect to come up with a "good" one that way?
[08:00:27] <enleth> TypeCasting: how would that work?
[08:01:21] <TypeCasting> I'm getting different answers from different people
[08:01:31] <TypeCasting> compiling them all together and seeing what trends are emerging
[08:01:53] <TypeCasting> I'm discussing with people in reprap and arduino chat now too to get more opinions
[08:02:11] <gregcnc> statistics for a toy? if this was a business decision you would have closed the doors last month
[08:02:39] <TypeCasting> its not a toy, thats the problem
[08:02:48] <TypeCasting> if it were, I'd buy a cheap version of all 3
[08:03:10] <TypeCasting> I need a tool that will meet my requirements and won't let me down
[08:03:21] <archivist> fat chance
[08:03:39] <DaViruz> that's not the problem at all. the problem is that you are not seeing that you will annoy every single person here, and it won't change a thing. then what, continue in other channels?
[08:03:40] <SpeedEvil> TypeCasting: spend a _lot_ for a custom solution.
[08:03:54] <gregcnc> not ahaving anyhting and not learning how to use what you do end up with is costing you far more money than buying something that's only 80% of what you ideally could have
[08:04:21] <SpeedEvil> Also - being a retard when thinking about stuff like this indicates you will fail.
[08:04:30] <SpeedEvil> This is not the way to find out information.
[08:05:02] <SpeedEvil> You use the answers given in order to guide your own research on the topic, if the answers do not fully answer it.
[08:05:17] <DaViruz> you can collect all the statistics you want, but doing it by actively asking constantly will only piss people off
[08:05:49] <SpeedEvil> Compiling partial answers from people that don't fully understand your problem in the hope that statistically you'll magically get the right idea is only annoying people and not helping you at all.
[08:06:31] <DaViruz> the only result will be that if you ever get a machine, and that's beginning to look like a big if, no one will want to help you with it
[08:07:31] <DaViruz> and that you keep changing your nick only makes you look dishonest
[08:07:54] <TypeCasting> I'm not dishonest
[08:08:02] <TypeCasting> or a retard
[08:08:45] <TypeCasting> and I am getting a machine, it just may end up being a 3d printer after recent revelations
[08:08:57] <TypeCasting> or both
[08:12:06] <enleth> TypeCasting: well it certainly annoys people who put you on ignore lists - they don't want to see your questions anymore because they answered many times already, but you keep changing the nick
[08:12:38] <SpeedEvil> TypeCasting: It seems very unlikely this is the only problem you have ever or will ever do this with.
[08:12:53] <SpeedEvil> It's a systematically terrible and slow way to obtain information and make decisions.
[08:14:43] <_methods> ah nice another nick to ignore
[08:16:15] <TypeCasting> I do need to make this decsion
[08:16:18] <TypeCasting> I agree with you there
[08:16:29] <TypeCasting> it's gone on far too long and is beginning to torture my psyche
[08:16:48] <TypeCasting> I just want to start making enclosures
[08:17:07] <TypeCasting> I have piles of assembled components on the bench
[08:17:11] <TypeCasting> and folders of code
[08:17:15] <TypeCasting> all waiting to be put together
[08:30:08] <jdh> so buy one already
[08:30:33] <jdh> it's really easy. click. click. paypal. waut.
[08:41:07] <_methods> that guy/girl is never going to buy anything he's just trolling the channel
[08:42:12] <TypeCasting> Not true.
[08:42:47] <jdh> I think they are just under the mistaken impression that there is one correct answer
[08:44:50] <TypeCasting> isnt there? One option one solution that is best for my needs
[08:46:31] <gregcnc> plenty of obviously lathe parts are made on mills. it happens all the time is it wrong, best, or not best?
[08:47:16] <archivist> cannot be "one best solution"
[08:48:08] <archivist> a glue gun 3d printer produces poor looking parts, no good for production
[08:49:45] <SpeedEvil> archivist: For some things, it's just fine.
[08:50:03] <_methods> definitely not production
[08:50:24] <CaptHindsight> same bat troll, new bat troll name
[08:50:37] <_methods> yeah he be blockeded
[08:51:09] <gregcnc> I clicked into indigogo this weekend, holy carp it's worse than kickstarter
[08:51:25] <_methods> yeah it's the anus of kickstarter
[08:51:26] <archivist> crapstarter
[08:52:18] <gregcnc> that thinwatch that collected <1$M declared bankrupt with like 20k$ of assests
[08:53:07] <gregcnc> how you even pretend to a have a product when nobody makes a battery that fits, i don't know
[08:53:21] <_methods> hahah
[08:53:26] <CaptHindsight> setup shell co, devise slick advert, collect funds, file bankruptcy
[08:53:27] <_methods> is that bottom up design?
[08:53:37] <_methods> i guess that's top down
[08:53:39] <_methods> lol
[08:53:54] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: you can get custom batteries
[08:54:08] <gregcnc> so why didn't they
[08:54:20] <_methods> they didn't get to that part yet
[08:54:22] <_methods> lol
[08:54:25] <CaptHindsight> solar powered, only works at the beach when you are machining
[08:54:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.powerstream.com/thin-lithium-ion.htm
[08:54:32] <enleth> definitely bottom up. as in, they lie face in dirt, bottom up.
[08:54:41] <_methods> hahahah
[08:54:42] <gregcnc> i know abotu custom batteries
[08:54:48] <_methods> customer puts bottom up in air
[08:54:56] <SpeedEvil> Down to .5mm thick
[08:56:00] <gregcnc> they wanted another 1+M$ to actually produce 8000 watches
[08:56:35] <CaptHindsight> people are pretty dumb, but you can't say that since then you are a bigot for putting them down for being different from you :)
[08:57:18] <SpeedEvil> They actually got them to work
[08:57:35] <SpeedEvil> It's just not enough of them, and manufacturability was very hard
[08:57:56] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1198383
[08:58:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah, all that soldering, and assembling shit
[08:58:07] <gregcnc> china will buy the patent and they will be on aliblabla in a few months
[08:58:41] <SpeedEvil> And $1M to 20K for an innovative project is not at all unlikely
[08:58:53] <gregcnc> sure, but they blew it
[08:59:23] <SpeedEvil> If you get the production line right, and get it working with $20K left, you can probably get cash from elsewhere
[08:59:25] <CaptHindsight> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/607/894/12d862ea8f5e2fcd0033897181afd9ff_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1428967502&auto=format&lossless=true&s=7d759bb3a79a930269e2a140e0ed43e4
[08:59:50] <CaptHindsight> tab bonded clock IC on polyester pcb
[09:00:33] <CaptHindsight> only designed and fabbed by idiots
[09:00:50] <SpeedEvil> err - that's common
[09:00:57] <SpeedEvil> In certain cases, it can work just fine
[09:01:33] <archivist> expecting it to flex is a bit dumb
[09:01:55] <CaptHindsight> student project
[09:02:15] <SpeedEvil> The flex when the product is assembled is probably quite acceptable - given it's on a semi-rigid band
[09:02:37] <CaptHindsight> but now days if you have a degree, an engineer is an engineer right
[09:02:53] <SpeedEvil> Assembly is hard.
[09:03:22] <CaptHindsight> it's hard for the tards they hire at Apple as well
[09:03:26] <gregcnc> we can assume they knew this when the campaign began
[09:03:35] <CaptHindsight> more ego than skill
[09:04:06] <gregcnc> 55% yield after a year, what was it in prototyping?
[09:04:25] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: no, we can't assume this.
[09:05:09] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: Assembly and construction is a risk. The design could have worked fine if they'd picked a different factory, or supervised it differently, or ...
[09:05:10] <CaptHindsight> "we don't know how to design for manufacture"
[09:06:03] <SpeedEvil> DFM is a continuum.
[09:06:15] <gregcnc> if the idea was to sub out a risky design without proper oversight or evaluation, what was the chance of success?
[09:06:17] <CaptHindsight> and they don't ask anyone outside of their group how to fix it
[09:06:31] <CaptHindsight> pretty typical, let em burn
[09:06:37] <SpeedEvil> Very few places are using single-sided boards with DIP today because it's easy to assemble.
[09:07:34] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: There is not enough data on how they were supervising to say if it's adequate or not.
[09:07:46] <gregcnc> agreed
[09:08:13] <SpeedEvil> It could have been a workable design with inadequate manufacture, or it could have been something nobody could make at yield
[09:08:22] <gregcnc> "Based on everything we have learned from these DVUs, we will be revising our designs to simplify manufacturing and increase the robustness of the manufactured version. " from the campaign
[09:08:39] <SpeedEvil> The fact they're getting 50% yield doesn't indicate it's an inherently ridiculous design
[09:09:01] <gregcnc> depends what cost is
[09:09:04] <CaptHindsight> you just make this stuff up
[09:09:49] <CaptHindsight> who designs this without understanding how it's going to be made?
[09:10:12] <archivist> usual idiot grade
[09:10:22] <gregcnc> I know a certain carbon fiber product that had poor yield. it was worse on mondays after the weekend or holidays, but margin was high enough to cover this
[09:11:14] <SpeedEvil> Some of the problems are 'doh' problems - losing 20% of your yield to wrong solder.
[09:12:22] <enleth> there was this allegedly true story of a semiconductor fab getting bad yields at the start of the first shift. turns out, the third shift baked pizza in the wafer curing oven just before they left, almost every day, and it took 3-4 hours for the organic contaminants to burn away
[09:13:20] <CaptHindsight> thats why there are no built in watches in pizzas
[09:13:40] <archivist> semiconductor companies also had to stop the females doing certain work during a period of the month due to yield
[09:14:06] <CaptHindsight> but you can't say that
[09:15:30] <archivist> process engineering, it is complex, lots of factors, needs some experience
[09:19:03] <jdh> what would periods do to semiconductor yields
[09:19:36] <SpeedEvil> jdh: performance at intricate tasks may vary over the cycle
[09:19:40] <SpeedEvil> (I don't know)
[09:19:55] <archivist> nah it is acid fingers
[09:20:42] <archivist> those that touch steel and leave rusty finger marks
[09:23:21] <CaptHindsight> " In cold cash terms it balloons the parts and labor cost to around $300." my crap-o-meter just when crazy
[09:26:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1203110 "rented a van from AirBNB with a futon in the back that he parks in the manufacturer’s parking lot. It’s $35 a day, so he gets transportation and somewhere to sleep."
[09:26:10] <CaptHindsight> I'm not making this up
[09:27:55] <CaptHindsight> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/737/808/0c83ba66f95c65ffc34a6b097a590d18_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1430862250&auto=format&q=92&s=8f5f7a7d8c1aa8401c5af0611b3dfd50 Custom CNC encapsulation machine
[09:28:15] <CaptHindsight> shit I could have sold them one for less
[09:28:29] <_methods> core i7 in every slice
[09:29:06] <CaptHindsight> ah they hired Flextronics to make em
[09:29:15] <CaptHindsight> so duh, what do you expect
[09:30:20] <CaptHindsight> "we discussed a contract that Flextronics asked us to sign regarding what we were allowed to publish about this project."
[09:30:44] <CaptHindsight> "After reading that update, Flextronics decided they were no longer willing to negotiate the terms of that contract or the language within it. When we were informed of this decision, we were also told that they would like for us to arrange to pick up the parts and equipment we own as production has been halted."
[09:34:20] <CaptHindsight> the designers are inexperienced and they hired Flextronics to build them
[09:35:16] <CaptHindsight> Flextronics is just interested in their bottom line
[09:37:59] <CaptHindsight> "People keep making excuses for this company, how naive.
[09:37:59] <CaptHindsight> It has nothing to do with kickstarter it has to do with unethical people
[09:37:59] <CaptHindsight> who never cared and constantly lied and finally just disappeared. " sums it up pretty well
[09:38:52] <_methods> zlog
[09:41:15] <gregcnc> capt, did you find a lathe?
[09:41:33] <CaptHindsight> nothing new
[09:42:30] <CaptHindsight> Design 2 Part show starts this wednesday
[09:43:17] <CaptHindsight> usually an open bar open day afternoon
[09:44:46] <gregcnc> i was thinking about going
[09:45:24] <gregcnc> i just look a the the parts
[09:45:43] <gregcnc> i think i went job hunting there one year
[09:46:09] <_methods> never even heard of that show
[09:46:32] <CaptHindsight> _methods: it travels across the country
[09:46:37] <gregcnc> d2p.com
[09:46:38] <_methods> yeah i see that
[09:46:45] <_methods> i guess i missed it in atlanta
[09:46:52] <_methods> raleigh in june
[09:46:56] <_methods> maybe i'll go check it out
[09:46:59] <_methods> is it worth going?
[09:47:17] <CaptHindsight> depends .....
[09:47:29] <_methods> wtf wednesday and thursday
[09:47:33] <gregcnc> if you outsource stuff
[09:47:38] <jdh> url?
[09:47:44] <CaptHindsight> you might find a source for something that you didn't know that existed
[09:47:45] <_methods> http://www.d2p.com/2016-raleigh-manufacturing-trade-show
[09:47:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.d2p.com/
[09:48:12] <TypeCasting> I need to go
[09:48:35] <gregcnc> I find it hard to locate local shops online
[09:48:41] <_methods> looks like a lot of material and fastener vendors
[09:49:07] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the show guide has a list of all the vendors
[09:49:14] <jdh> that might be cool and 2hrs away
[09:49:17] <_methods> yeah i'm lookin at ti now
[09:49:43] <CaptHindsight> and you can talk shop with the guys at the booths
[09:50:41] <jdh> I just need some pens and screwdrivers
[09:50:46] <_methods> hahaha
[09:50:51] <_methods> and free lunch
[09:51:01] <CaptHindsight> it's like Halloween for candy as well
[09:51:04] <jdh> mayve a crappy flashlighy
[09:51:12] <_methods> i see a couple material vendors i'd likely get free lunch out of
[09:51:15] <CaptHindsight> free drinks after 4pm
[09:51:58] <CaptHindsight> _methods: no such thing as a free lunch :)
[09:54:26] <TypeCasting> free lunch + drinks?
[09:55:20] <jdh> imagine trying to decide what to eat
[09:55:48] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc:
http://www.acen.org/ :)
[09:56:12] <jdh> which sandwich will most satisfy your poorly defined hunger
[09:58:13] <CaptHindsight> thought about having a booth to 3d print and machine costume stuff on site
[09:58:17] <jdh> it's only a 2 day show
[09:59:33] <TypeCasting> jdh, I go through that every day
[10:00:21] <jdh> I'm sure you are fun at restaraunts
[10:00:29] <gregcnc> not enough pictures what is acen about? <18 dance parties too?
[10:00:42] <jdh> asking all the other patrons what kind of soup is the best one
[10:00:58] <jdh> but the clam chowder has a controllet builtbin
[10:01:36] <TypeCasting> lol
[10:02:15] <CaptHindsight> surprised how popular it's become outside of Japan
[10:05:12] <CaptHindsight> _methods: other exciting shows are the Fastener and Spring Shows :)
[10:05:29] <CaptHindsight> booth after booth of just fasteners or springs
[10:06:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.casmi-springworld.org/?page=SWHome
[10:07:47] <gregcnc> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/5576433839.html
[10:08:01] <gregcnc> huh in town it looks like
[10:08:35] <CaptHindsight> wow yeah
[10:08:55] <CaptHindsight> too bad it fell over
[10:09:05] <gregcnc> i think that shop moved to ohio, they have a crappy listing on CL for probably a year now
[10:09:39] <CaptHindsight> looks modified
[10:09:49] <CaptHindsight> look at how the head is attached
[10:09:53] <gregcnc> odd head bracket?
[10:11:36] <CaptHindsight> is it all Bridgeport?
[10:11:36] <CaptHindsight> or a hybrid?
[10:11:44] <gregcnc> i wouldn't know
[10:13:12] <gregcnc> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bfs/5573084504.html this seems high, but i don't know about sheldon
[10:13:12] <skunkworks> we don't have a manual mill anymore...
[10:14:43] <gregcnc> capt did you find a powder oven?
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5576968833.html
[10:18:25] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: no matter how big an oven I have the parts are always bigger
[10:18:49] <gregcnc> right?
[10:20:29] <gregcnc> i saw a matsuura mc600 mach retrofit on youtube
[10:20:38] <skunkworks> yeck
[10:20:50] <The_Ball> Is the integrator manual only available in french?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual_fr.pdf
[10:21:11] <The_Ball> I meant to link:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/
[10:21:50] <skunkworks> gregcnc, counter point..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uwBAuR96I
[10:22:14] <The_Ball> skunkworks, how's it going, long time
[10:22:27] <gregcnc> saw it, looking good!
[10:22:45] <skunkworks> The_Ball, great - how about you? about 50% through a matsuura conversion
[10:23:16] <skunkworks> Dad has almost all the i/o hooked up. Spun the tool chain this weekend
[10:24:20] <The_Ball> sweet, some big iron. I moved back to norway and got my hands on an mid-aged lathe that I'm converting
[10:25:23] <skunkworks> This is 83 or so.. SO middle aged.. ;)
[10:26:05] <The_Ball> looks like fun!
[10:26:42] <The_Ball> did the first thread cut yesterday:
https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/OvuPsXpRIrfm3rH
[10:55:37] <zeeshan> gregcnc: did you see the fixutre :D
[10:56:00] <gregcnc> yes, how are you clicking them to cut 4 sides?
[10:56:03] <gregcnc> clocking
[10:56:42] <zeeshan> the very first step is the most time consuming i think because all the blocks vary in size -- nothing like metal
[10:56:57] <gregcnc> so you don't have a table saw yet?
[10:56:59] <zeeshan> gotta drill the hole and pocket the recess and key it
[10:57:09] <zeeshan> that'll be done inthe vise
[10:57:43] <zeeshan> then mount it onto the modular place, from which i 3d machine from two sizes (index the fixture only 180 degrees)
[10:57:53] <zeeshan> and then bolt it onto that adapter plate to finish off the angled pocket
[10:58:40] <zeeshan> what im more happy about is i used all the wasted space in the fixture plate to mount all the metal pieces
[10:58:41] <zeeshan> hehe
[11:00:08] <zeeshan> the blocks are given to me in a small size already
[11:01:56] <gregcnc> why is the variable size an issue?
[11:01:56] <jdh> more weed paraphanalia?
[11:02:09] <zeeshan> its not variable size only greg
[11:02:14] <zeeshan> the sizes have taper to them too
[11:02:31] <gregcnc> is your client complaining about the FDA ruling?
[11:02:32] <zeeshan> none of the flat surfaces are really flat or square to each other
[11:02:55] <jdh> I need a bike tail light mount made out of 6061
[11:03:27] <zeeshan> gregcnc: my client doesnt sell much in the usa
[11:03:32] <zeeshan> mostly in the asian countries
[11:03:35] <gregcnc> duh i forgot
[11:04:30] <gregcnc> must be very high end
[11:05:44] <gregcnc> you either need a workholding solution that can deal with the odd stock or prep the stock, if it's actually a problem
[11:08:00] <zeeshan> gregcnc: i dont think the new rule affects him?
[11:08:15] <zeeshan> reading it :P
[11:08:52] <gregcnc> i don't know, but it sounds like us.gov wants to approve it all
[11:08:56] <zeeshan> it affects the tobacco products
[11:08:58] <zeeshan> not the devices
[11:09:04] <zeeshan> it seems like
[11:09:09] <zeeshan> so the juice catridges
[11:09:14] <gregcnc> maybe
[11:09:14] <skunkworks> zeeshan, 300ipm, 15in/s^2 so far..
[11:09:31] <zeeshan> skunksleep: do you get stops around corners?
[11:09:33] <zeeshan> sharp corners
[11:10:23] <skunkworks> heh -no real machining. But yes - if you want a sharp corner - it is going to stop.. (well unless you do an arc...)
[11:15:15] <archivist> zeeshan, here is a version of a machine I saw at a factory clearance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu9itJV2smQ an idea for wood shapes
[11:15:56] <archivist> that is mandraulic, I saw a cnc one
[11:16:41] <zeeshan> nice
[11:17:06] <gregcnc> wood screw machine
[11:17:36] <archivist> one I saw started with square balsa, pushed through a collet
[11:20:34] <skunkworks> The_Ball, Very cool!
[11:53:00] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I'm still confused. Which bathroom do I use? And whose genitalia do I bring?
[11:53:58] <CaptHindsight> or do I cross the state line to go?
[11:56:18] * JT-Shop just done spraying some Stump-Be-Gone on the last two
[11:57:33] <gregcnc> capthindsight
https://youtu.be/mIUk08iYZKE?t=24s
[12:00:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6-zTy6DZ3E Stacy Brown Got Two
[12:53:17] <_methods> CaptHindsight: maybe you should make a bathroom spreadsheet
[12:53:27] <_methods> probably some more research will help
[13:15:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop agent orange would do the trick
[14:58:09] <_methods> http://hackerboards.com/rugged-3-5-inch-sbc-takes-haswell-to-extended-temps/
[15:04:00] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> you around?
[15:04:15] <PCW> yeah
[15:05:54] <Nick001-shop> 7i77 - CR15 flashing green - but motor wont move. What did I do wrong?
[15:23:08] <PCW> CR15 just means you have communication with the digital I/O section of the 7I77,
[15:23:09] <PCW> to get motion you need your drives enabled and some analog command voltage
[15:23:11] <PCW> to get controlled motion needs a fair amount more
[15:29:16] <Nick001-shop> I see the ena0+ and - Where do they go on the 10A8 driver. Also there are 2 +ref pins in - which do I use?
[15:32:09] <zeeshan> Nick001-shop:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[15:32:12] <zeeshan> follow the lines :)
[15:32:16] <zeeshan> similar drive from amc
[15:32:49] <PCW> the REF+ pins are interchangeable
[15:32:57] <Nick001-shop> This is an AMC drine
[15:33:08] <Nick001-shop> drive
[15:33:38] <Nick001-shop> I tried both REF+ pins and no go
[15:34:41] <Nick001-shop> Looking at the dropbox dwg
[15:37:38] <Polymorphism> will ALuminum produce fine airborne dust when I route my control panels?
[15:37:42] <Polymorphism> or just chips which do not enter the air
[15:38:18] <Polymorphism> I know wood can, but not sure about aluminum with shallow DoC
[15:39:51] <Polymorphism> I saw laser cutter produces toxic fumes or smoke, 3d printer can release nanoparticles or even teflon vapor if temps too high
[15:42:16] <SpeedEvil> You can get aluminium airborne - but it's essentially never going to happen with normal machining IMO
[15:44:51] <Polymorphism> ok
[15:45:18] <Polymorphism> I'm going to try to look into it a bit more to find the details
[15:45:59] <zeeshan> Polymorphism: when youre taking finishing cuts
[15:46:02] <zeeshan> it gets airborne
[15:46:11] <zeeshan> <0.0005" feed
[15:46:55] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[15:46:58] <SpeedEvil> interesting
[15:47:03] <Nick001-shop> Where is the enable pin on AMC 10A8 Analog servo amp?
[15:47:16] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: it comes out as fuzz :(
[15:47:23] <zeeshan> if you're too close to the machine you will breathe it in
[15:47:33] <gregcnc> yeah I get very fine dust that can take some time to settle
[15:47:49] <Polymorphism> can that be prevented with a cyclonic separator and hepa vac?
[15:48:07] <gregcnc> any vac should work
[15:50:24] <Polymorphism> are you saying it's probably not worth investing in a hepa shop vac?
[15:50:28] <Polymorphism> vs the standard options
[15:50:31] <PCW> Nick001-shop: You shoud be able to make you motor move with the AMC
[15:50:33] <PCW> drive with nothing more than drive power connected and a 1.5V battery connected to REF+ and signal GND
[15:50:35] <PCW> If not you need to figure out why before even involving the 7I77 and LinuxCNC
[15:54:25] <PCW> There is no enable pin, the drives are enabled unless you disable them by powering the INHIBIT IN input or grounding the /INHIBIT input
[16:04:31] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> that would be pin 2 for grd and pin 4 for ref+ - will be back.
[16:24:38] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:46] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> Motor runs with 1.5v battery hooked up to AMC driver. What's next?
[16:36:39] <PCW> do the encoders work?
[16:38:23] <Nick001-shop> yes - I turn the motor by hand and the screen shows movement. There is only 1 motor hooked up at the moment.
[16:40:34] <CaptHindsight> 9v battery, just kidding
[16:40:41] <PCW> what hal file are you using?
[16:41:50] <Nick001-shop> The one generated by config
[16:44:14] <Nick001-shop> put ratios in and changed ferror to 0.5 so it won't error right out til I get to the tuning part
[16:44:31] <PCW> did you try pncconfs open loop test?
[16:45:01] <Nick001-shop> No -want me to try?
[16:45:38] <PCW> Also not sure what pncconf uses as initial P term, it might be 0 so you need to set it to something
[16:46:15] <Nick001-shop> but should'nt I be at least able to move the axis with the key?
[16:46:30] <Nick001-shop> Ok will do and be back
[16:48:48] <arauchfuss> Hi, I just recently got my mill up and running.
[16:49:38] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> Has a p of 50 - any recommendations?
[16:49:38] <arauchfuss> Now I am trying to set up a joypad as a job pendant.
[16:51:12] <arauchfuss> based on the wiki instructions, with halui and hal_input.
[16:52:27] <arauchfuss> I have my custom hal file setup, but now linuxcnc errors out on startup.
[16:54:08] <arauchfuss> stating that "halui.jog-speed' was already linked to signal 'jog-speed'"
[16:55:35] <arauchfuss> the config generated hal file has the line:
[16:55:54] <arauchfuss> "net jog-speed halui.jog-speed"
[16:56:47] <arauchfuss> and the custom hal has:
[16:56:53] <arauchfuss> "net joy-speed-final halui.jog-speed <= mux4.0.out"
[16:57:19] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> No movement in open loop test or tune screen
[16:57:56] <PCW> wiring error?
[16:58:59] <Nick001-shop> aout0 to pin 4 and gnd to pin 2
[16:59:08] <PCW> I would verify he the analog enables turn on when you enable linuxcnc
[16:59:29] <PCW> (an ohmmeter will work for this)
[17:00:08] <Nick001-shop> the enables aren't connect as of yet
[17:00:21] <Nick001-shop> connected
[17:07:21] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpkTHyfr0pM
[17:07:24] <Nick001-shop> Using the F2 & F3 key - getting about 0.002 vdc on the meter
[17:08:52] <Nick001-shop> 0.02vdc
[17:09:08] <PCW> use the meter as an ohmmeter
[17:09:33] <Nick001-shop> and measure what to where?
[17:09:36] <PCW> the ENA+ ENA- are a switch (no output voltage)
[17:09:54] <Nick001-shop> ok - be back
[17:10:00] <Polymorphism> gl
[17:14:08] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> they're closed - other than F keys - another way of enabling linux cnc to show the enables in an open state?
[17:15:34] <PCW> they should be off at startup until you enable linuxcnc (out of E-Stop and machine on)
[17:18:56] <Nick001-shop> Interesting - put the ohmmeter between aout0 and gnd and the motor has revolutions.
[17:19:26] <MrSunshine> hmm how much force must an atc for small tapers hold the tool with ?
[17:19:36] <MrSunshine> cant find specs for say SK15 taper
[17:23:55] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> with linuxcnc program off - ena0 + &- are connected.
[17:24:50] <Nick001-shop> My ride is here - gotta go
[17:28:01] <arauchfuss> okay I got the joypad working by commenting out various bits of the pncconf generated hal file.
[17:28:24] <arauchfuss> be annoying if I have to run config again.
[17:28:50] <andypugh> What parts did you comment out? What makes you sure you didn’t want them?
[17:29:39] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpsHRbh9CtA
[17:31:59] <arauchfuss> halui.jog-speed
[17:32:14] <arauchfuss> as well as the analog x y and z
[17:37:56] <arauchfuss> is there a line in the ini file where a default touchoff value can be added?
[17:38:39] <djdelorie> sigh, in my efforts to rotate my X and Y axes, I re-ran stepconf, and I think I lost the hal code to idle the machine's servos :-P
[17:39:38] <arauchfuss> the conf utilities really should auto-generate a backup.
[17:45:37] <andypugh> djdelorie: Was that the timeout como?
[17:45:41] <andypugh> (comp)
[17:46:33] <andypugh> arauchfuss: Analogue jogging is one of the best things about the joypads, but if your joypad doesn’t have analogue outputs then the pins won’t exist in HAL.
[17:48:22] <arauchfuss> andypugh: they work, just need to tweak the scaling.
[17:49:28] <arauchfuss> too bad a steam controller would not work.
[17:49:58] <arauchfuss> the touchpads can emulate a MPG wheel pretty well.
[17:50:08] <arauchfuss> with haptics
[17:50:16] <gregcnc> MrSunshine
http://diy.haascnc.com/reference-docs/drawbar-force-reference-table
[17:52:12] <DaViruz> how does the force - rpm correlate?
[17:52:14] <DaViruz> or why rather
[17:52:33] <gregcnc> spindle expands with speed
[17:52:47] <DaViruz> or is it just an assumption that lower rpm means more torque
[17:52:51] <DaViruz> hm
[17:56:07] <MrSunshine> gregcnc: thanks =)
[17:56:58] <MrSunshine> 20 taper etc .. what does that mean ? =)
[17:56:59] <gregcnc> Torque is taken up by the drive tangs in not our emco machines
[17:57:20] <gregcnc> Haas makes officemill iwth iso20 tooling
[18:00:37] <andypugh> MrSunshine: Various sizes of 7/24 tapers:
http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapers.html#BT
[18:01:16] <andypugh> Not shown there are the rarer 20 and 35 tapers.
[18:01:27] <gregcnc> smaller than 30 taper is almost never listed
[18:01:31] <andypugh> And I think there are 15 taper machines, and those are tiny.
[18:02:01] <gregcnc> http://www.usovo.de/shop/Milling-spindles-accessories/Tool-holder-SK:::86_91.html
[18:02:29] <gregcnc> Benchman XT used iso10 iirc
[18:04:03] <andypugh> Yes, google found me ISO 10. That’s tiny.
[18:04:20] <malcom2073> Whew and I thought my 30 was small
