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[00:22:39] <zeeshan|2> nah XXCoder
[00:22:41] <zeeshan|2> had to stop em part way
[00:22:46] <zeeshan|2> idiots gave me the wrong brake pads
[00:22:50] <XXCoder> doh
[00:22:59] <zeeshan|2> its happened three times at this place
[00:23:07] <zeeshan|2> i should know beter and check it at the store..
[00:23:28] <XXCoder> have you checked out the video?
[00:24:11] <zeeshan|2> ya
[00:25:16] <XXCoder> so what ya think
[00:25:29] <zeeshan|2> plastic
[00:25:30] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:25:51] <XXCoder> ?
[00:25:57] <zeeshan|2> which one
[00:26:02] <XXCoder> sec
[00:26:53] <zeeshan|2> its skipping steps
[00:26:54] <zeeshan|2> you can hear it
[00:26:57] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTTuFjYc0I
[00:27:45] <XXCoder> no, I cannot. lol
[00:27:57] <zeeshan|2> gotta do servos man!
[00:27:59] <zeeshan|2> feed back!!
[00:28:30] <zeeshan|2> man they are resonating like craz
[00:28:32] <zeeshan|2> y
[00:28:35] <XXCoder> so what do I adjust to get rid of skipping
[00:29:08] <zeeshan|2> is your acceleration set too high?
[00:29:19] <XXCoder> its pretty low if I recall
[00:31:33] <XXCoder> brb gonna go to cnc machine
[00:31:45] <XXCoder> fix its network so can be in here while there.
[00:32:22] <zeeshan|2> its 1am man
[00:32:26] <zeeshan|2> go to sleep
[00:32:28] <zeeshan|2> im sleeping!
[00:32:35] <XXCoder> nope cant be done, guest is sleeping now
[00:32:41] <XXCoder> 10 pm here zeeshan|2 lol
[00:32:44] <zeeshan|2> o
[00:32:47] <XXCoder> night lol
[00:32:51] <XXCoder> thanks for checking
[00:32:59] <XXCoder> whats tips on lessening skips though
[00:33:04] <XXCoder> lower acceration?
[00:33:23] <zeeshan|2> yea
[00:33:26] <zeeshan|2> also check if anything is binding
[00:33:33] <zeeshan|2> and last increase your microstepping
[00:33:37] <XXCoder> that one I checked, smooth
[00:33:38] <zeeshan|2> it sounds like your steppers are resonating
[00:33:47] <XXCoder> its currently 1/2
[00:33:52] <XXCoder> will try 1/4
[00:33:52] <zeeshan|2> try 1/4
[00:33:54] <zeeshan|2> or 1/8
[00:33:59] <XXCoder> ok
[00:34:17] <XXCoder> thankfully I have known problemic ngc so i can repeat test easily
[00:34:24] <zeeshan|2> =]
[00:34:26] <XXCoder> you saw in video what I did first
[00:34:31] <XXCoder> its a pengin logo lol
[00:34:34] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:34:48] <XXCoder> tool was burnt a little by first groove at final depth. so much chips lol
[00:35:03] <XXCoder> its little bit dull now, thankfully i got em so cheap
[00:36:03] <XXCoder> man I REALLY need offical workspace for my machine
[00:36:10] <XXCoder> room was pollutated with wood chips
[00:36:18] <XXCoder> used old BIGPOWER vacuum to clean air
[00:36:32] <XXCoder> that vacuum is junk but man can it clean air!
[01:11:26] <archivist> XXCoder, you might be able to feel losing steps, hold the faulty axis while running
[01:11:54] <XXCoder> I plan to setup live video and test stuff while in here
[01:12:10] <archivist> a similar feel to a lumpy engine
[01:12:15] <XXCoder> I found shitty webcam i can use, its nice video, nice enough anyway
[02:01:32] <XXCoder> is there a way to polish plastic to shiny glass surface?
[02:02:25] <archivist> not easy
[02:02:49] <XXCoder> yeah I want to try make some plastic that has very awesome pattern on it show it more clearly
[02:04:11] <XXCoder> would oilstone do it?
[02:07:30] <archivist> google plastic polishing see what craft and engraving people do
[02:13:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:13:11] <XXCoder> tried liquid metal polish
[02:18:10] <archivist> do you have wet and dry papers going up to very fine
[02:18:28] <XXCoder> nah, I just used very fine sandpaper at work
[02:18:46] <XXCoder> it feels quite smooth but its not smooth enough to show "interior structures"
[02:20:47] <XXCoder> I wonder if nylon reacts with acetone vapor
[02:20:55] <XXCoder> it does for ABS
[02:21:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCEnA0NEG4
[02:22:48] <XXCoder> little too many transition special effects
[02:30:49] <XXCoder> honestly that one is best way so far I saw for abs
[02:30:51] <XXCoder> no baking
[02:31:02] <XXCoder> just upside down can and time
[02:31:15] <XXCoder> can buy paint cans at lowes for few bucks
[02:56:38] <Deejay> moin
[02:57:11] <XXCoder> yo
[02:58:56] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[03:14:38] <The_Ball> first virgin cut after converting an old fagor control to linuxcnc/mesa 6i25/7i77 https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/1aJXFxmj3t9oXsp
[03:15:51] <XXCoder> video is refusing to load
[03:16:10] <XXCoder> downloading to see if that works
[03:16:19] <archivist> dont work on my browser either...yooootooob
[03:16:24] <XXCoder> ah
[03:16:27] <XXCoder> that site is very slow
[03:16:36] <XXCoder> probably didnt work because it was still downloading
[03:19:10] <XXCoder> cool
[03:19:21] <XXCoder> looks like it didnt quite clean up face lol
[03:19:27] <XXCoder> it seem to work fine though
[03:19:43] <XXCoder> downloading another
[03:22:07] <XXCoder> lol still not quite clean up
[03:24:04] <The_Ball> just a quick test cut, almost there :)
[03:24:21] <XXCoder> check mine out a second
[03:25:11] <XXCoder> unfortunately bad stepper issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIU-xO8wm1c
[03:25:18] <The_Ball> XXCoder, "that site" is my home internet connection btw
[03:25:24] <XXCoder> yeah i guessed it
[03:25:33] <XXCoder> \"own cloud"
[03:25:57] <XXCoder> steppers is apparently skipping in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTTuFjYc0I
[03:26:06] <XXCoder> I plan to adjust it later
[03:26:12] <The_Ball> Which spindle is that?
[03:26:33] <XXCoder> its a "spindle"
[03:26:41] <XXCoder> grinder from aliexpress lol
[03:27:39] <The_Ball> aha
[03:32:10] <XXCoder> I evenually need to build adoptor
[03:32:28] <XXCoder> so can use 52mm spindle
[09:56:49] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9c_KttvQPU
[10:19:14] <CaptHindsight> flight delayed after Al-Gebra member interrogated for doing math on American Airlines flight https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight
[10:22:02] <Tom_itx> saw that
[10:22:06] <yasnak> saw this last night, thought it was a bad nightmare.
[10:22:07] <Tom_itx> almost posted it here
[10:22:28] <yasnak> they need to name and shame the woman
[10:22:39] <Tom_itx> she left the flight and didn't return
[10:22:42] <CaptHindsight> yasnak: at least
[10:23:03] <CaptHindsight> but she's more useful fanning the flames of stupidity
[10:23:04] <yasnak> we're becoming more a joke everyday
[10:25:30] <yasnak> still don't see how they make it political. thats what turned me off the article
[10:25:56] <CaptHindsight> spin
[10:26:31] <yasnak> really loses all credit when these then spun
[10:26:39] <yasnak> *get
[10:27:05] <CaptHindsight> well you really have to dig to find news that isn't full of spin
[10:27:44] <CaptHindsight> I have few dozen news sites I skim through every day
[10:28:10] <CaptHindsight> most stories are cut-n-paste
[10:28:27] <yasnak> I have a buddy that defines the worst geek. He would be working on his homemade CNC machine and bring this contraption with wires and motors to the bar. I always had to tell him to put that shit in his car because some idiot is going to call the bomb squad haha. This is now becoming realistic.
[10:28:52] <CaptHindsight> easily in some places
[10:29:06] <yasnak> Might hit close to home, this kid was a geek among geeks though. Amazingly smart. Always working haha
[10:31:30] <CaptHindsight> how often do you meet new people that are not idiots?
[10:31:36] <yasnak> Not often heh
[10:31:49] <CaptHindsight> it's sad
[10:32:04] <yasnak> I resort to the internet, which isn't exactly meeting. It just restores faith in the world not being full of people you're meeting in real life.
[10:33:16] <archivist> dunno about that
[10:33:44] <yasnak> Alright, I can go to tumbler and find the exact opposite too :P
[10:39:37] <CaptHindsight> yasnak: ever follow the same story and jump between US media, China and Russian news? It's especially humorous when it embarrasses one of them
[10:40:39] <yasnak> sometimes. I wish I had enough time to even figure out what the real story is. Once the AP here gets its hands on it they go to work spinning the crap out of everything.
[10:41:19] <CaptHindsight> yeah, some stories are <10% info or facts and 90% spin
[10:41:23] <yasnak> Here I am stuck trying to find through-coolant 0.5" shank tool holders for cutoff blades. If only there was time for everything :P
[10:42:39] <CaptHindsight> I can't even watch local news. Its so dumb and full of non-news
[10:44:06] <yasnak> our news is essentially 1-2 stories with so much bias that you'd rather not watch. the rest is about crime and murders from anywhere in the USA. its really a downer
[10:44:38] <yasnak> Florida's news could just be a group of heroin addicts tripping out for thirty mins. About the same quality. ;/
[10:57:22] <witnit> I have always used encoders with 5vdc input, but today I have one here which is 10vdc input, can this harm a 7i33 encoder input slot?
[10:57:44] <witnit> can it even work?
[10:58:11] <pcw_home> 10V input but what output?
[10:59:01] <pcw_home> I would measure the high and low output voltages
[10:59:46] <witnit> so long as it outputs no more or less than 5v im ok?
[10:59:54] <archivist> may be open collector
[11:00:36] <pcw_home> Yeah, need to measure
[11:00:46] <Sync> or read the datasheet
[11:00:58] <archivist> spec or label should tell you else measure
[11:05:42] <witnit> this is the encoder in question, I do not think it will work http://www.acontrol.com.pl/plik,304,907,im0011382-pdf.pdf?adm
[11:06:00] <witnit> DGS60-G1A01000
[11:06:19] <witnit> you are welcome to prove me wrong though =D
[11:07:31] <witnit> htl driver even
[11:07:53] <pcw_home> it should work if the low level is low enough
[11:08:09] <witnit> well, my encoder is rather far from the card
[11:08:20] <witnit> maybe that will help in this situation ahaha
[11:08:24] <pcw_home> +10V wont hurt the 7I33 inputs
[11:09:27] <archivist> it is G1A 30v htl by the look of it
[11:09:37] <witnit> ^
[11:09:54] <pcw_home> you could use a resistive divider to get better noise immunity
[11:10:25] <witnit> yeah, the project isnt too critical
[11:10:30] <archivist> I would be measuring and making some level conversion
[11:11:43] <witnit> its just that, the bearings wiped out on my encoder last night and locked up the motor, gearbox, and turret, I took everything off thinking it was in the gearbox, only to fins out it was the tiny little encoder stuck
[11:11:58] <pcw_home> if you use a resistive divider into the 7I33 its needs to be pretty low impedance (the 7I33 has 2K pullups to +5V on its encoder inputs)
[11:12:22] <witnit> ^ that was over my head pcw
[11:13:42] <archivist> output pin-->Resistor--->signal to pin also to--->resistor to ground
[11:13:56] <pcw_home> well say 250 ohm or so max source impedance so a divider with 2x 470 ohm resistors would work
[11:16:50] <witnit> ahh, so you're saying if I add 2, 470ohm resisters to the signal A,B of the encoder...
[11:16:58] <witnit> I should just pick a different encoder
[11:18:50] <witnit> when it comes to circuits and impedance and such, im a bit lost. I can wire up an led and get it working about 50% of the time.
[11:19:35] <pcw_home> I assumed you had this around, if you are choosing an encoder choose one with differential 5V outputs
[11:19:51] <witnit> yeah I do, its my last option before I go buy another
[11:20:39] <witnit> done and done
[11:20:55] <pcw_home> It will likely work as is but its not optimum
[11:21:30] <witnit> yeah, im sure its not a cheap one, someone might buy it from me via ebay
[11:21:43] <witnit> sick|stegman
[11:22:05] <witnit> then I can buy 4 or 5 ones that work for me, without issues
[11:23:10] <witnit> yesterday was fun, attaching 7i90+7i33 and 5i25+7i77 in the same machine
[11:25:41] <Tom_itx> 7i90 in parallel port?
[11:28:30] <pcw_home> I think Skunkworks has tried PCI_Ethernet on one machine
[11:28:42] <pcw_home> PCI+Ethernet
[11:32:29] <Sync> hm
[11:32:37] <Sync> I guess I'll need to dig out my ise vm again
[11:36:51] <witnit> Tom_itx: yes epp
[11:59:51] <witnit> pcw_home: this is probably a simple question for you, can I used a straight header to header from motherboard to 7i90 via parallel or would I need to switch some wires around on the header?
[12:03:33] <maxcnc> hi all from a realy sunny Germany
[12:05:49] <witnit> Good day sunshine!
[12:06:44] <pcw_home> witnit: its one-one (though you may need to clip wire 26)
[12:09:07] <witnit> okay, great i was just trying to map out if the female/male db25 flipped or flopped things, this is going to make this build so much cleaner
[12:10:07] <witnit> I want to put my motherboard, controls, and I/O all on some din rail and ribbon to each device (possibly stacked headers where applicable)
[12:12:12] <witnit> I cant seem to find a good option for a din rail mounted atx power supply, seems like a reasonable item to have around, or something that can hook into a my already regulated 110ac>24vdc power supply
[12:15:29] <SpeedEvil> There are DC-DC PC PSUs that will run on 24
[12:16:12] <witnit> SpeedEvil: I was looking for them! i didnt see them I think I was looking with the wrong search terms.
[12:16:17] <maxcnc> witnit: i discowerd that the moey spend on this is not worth the benefit
[12:16:33] <SpeedEvil> picopsu?
[12:17:12] <maxcnc> on lowcost CNC i run all on 48V one powerunit for all
[12:17:13] <witnit> SpeedEvil: yeah I saw those, most were expected to run from a car battery or the likes I think
[12:17:16] <Tom_L> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
[12:17:25] <SpeedEvil> yes, many support 24V in
[12:17:37] <maxcnc> including the HP thin client
[12:18:09] <maxcnc> the stepper control board gots 5A 5V ans 4A 12V out
[12:18:34] <maxcnc> so only 2cabewls in the komplete powertransfer
[12:18:43] <witnit> This should be a fine route, so long as they are really dependable
[12:19:02] <maxcnc> leadshine 542
[12:19:10] <maxcnc> 3Nm
[12:19:28] <maxcnc> all clear on direct mount TR20x4
[12:19:50] <maxcnc> gives 0.01per step at 5000mm/min max
[12:20:13] <maxcnc> the latency of the thinss is below 20k
[12:20:23] <witnit> Originally I was just going to put a power supply in the same enclosure as the servo amps and just shoot the leads I need to the controls box
[12:20:28] <witnit> now Im not sure what I want
[12:21:08] <maxcnc> ok servo im off itried once and lost lots of money
[12:21:27] <maxcnc> made 300 steppers CNC and they run run ....
[12:21:37] <witnit> If I can get an extremely small footprint on my controls then I can put the box directly on the machine and have very short i/o and encoder lines
[12:21:51] <witnit> you had problems with servo?
[12:22:21] <maxcnc> 500kg on 30:1 grar rack pinion no problem at 3000mm7min no steplos in a 8hr shift at 2400mm plasma speed
[12:23:01] <maxcnc> witnit: its long ago
[12:23:20] <maxcnc> they inproved al
[12:23:38] <maxcnc> since them but i stay on the low budget
[12:24:09] <witnit> I never done a stepper system before, my first time in here I was trying to get a glentek ga-370 rig running from printer port :)
[12:24:34] <maxcnc> plasmas at whorse 0,1mm devide in 10 sheeds at 25meters cut per sheet is acceptable
[12:25:09] <witnit> I was trying to get this http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/bj0AAOSwAuNW8Erv/s-l225.jpg to run off of a printer port hahaha
[12:25:55] <maxcnc> looks like ttl so it does not work on 600µa
[12:26:17] <maxcnc> a optocopler system in between woudt get i to woork
[12:27:23] <maxcnc> there are 8Nm stepeprs on the 123
[12:27:57] <maxcnc> they can run a real servo CNC mashine without any gear
[12:28:21] <maxcnc> like a Maho 600E
[12:33:44] <maxcnc> i got tiny microswitches that repeat 0.02mm
[12:33:52] <maxcnc> for les then 1USD
[12:34:13] <maxcnc> and hig precision switches that make 0.1mm faults
[12:34:20] <maxcnc> at 20USD
[12:34:25] <maxcnc> what a miss
[12:37:54] <trentster> maxcnc: what switches did you buy that repeat 0.02mm?
[12:39:47] <maxcnc> https://www.google.de/search?q=microswitch&biw=1433&bih=957&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjA0o7__MrMAhWCUBQKHW5pAPsQsAQIJQ
[12:40:12] <maxcnc> http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bananarobotics.com%2Fshop%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fdata%2Fsku%2FBR%2F0%2F1%2F0%2F0%2F8%2FBR010083-Micro-Switch-with-Roller-Lever%2FMicro-Switch-with-Roller-Lever-600x600.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bananarobotics.com%2Fshop%2FMicro-Switch-with-Roller-Lever&h=600&w=600&tbnid=AkUKSABseXxwHM%3A&docid=RTB7KSOuIXs9zM&ei=xHMvV8P9IcHaUYrmvrgC&tbm=isch&
[12:40:14] <maxcnc> iact=rc&uact=3&dur=2913&page=1&start=0&ndsp=33&ved=0ahUKEwjD7-eB_crMAhVBbRQKHQqzDycQMwgjKAMwAw&bih=957&biw=1433
[12:40:26] <Tom_L> tinyurl
[12:40:28] <maxcnc> sorry
[12:40:37] <maxcnc> https://www.bananarobotics.com/shop/Micro-Switch-with-Roller-Lever
[12:41:35] <maxcnc> you :( cand mount them on a 3meter plasma table
[12:41:47] <trentster> maxcnc: thanks I have bookmarked it. I am also looking for soemthing just as accurate to use for a tool height setter button
[12:43:43] <maxcnc> i use ME-8111 for the big mashines
[12:44:10] <trentster> your in De right?
[12:44:18] <maxcnc> yes
[12:44:31] <maxcnc> https://www.google.de/search?q=me+8111&biw=1433&bih=957&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZnrX6_crMAhUBvRQKHdW6BkwQsAQIIg
[12:44:47] <maxcnc> they work fine
[12:44:58] <maxcnc> they are NC NO inside
[12:45:13] <trentster> I see there is a lot of DE innovation in terms of polymer / epoxy granite machine bases - I am seen some pretty impressive stuff on youtube
[12:45:16] <maxcnc> using as NC for better control
[12:45:28] <maxcnc> negatic logic
[12:45:56] <maxcnc> If there is power there is nothing to do ,If no power somthing wrong
[12:46:08] <trentster> thanks for the link , ill order a couple now to test with
[12:46:10] <witnit> ok I JUST installed this, and love it already, check it out http://tinyurl.com/zhfmclk if you use firefox just right click a link and it can automatically shorten the url and pushes the shortedened url to your clipboard so then you just can paste it. TOO EASY
[12:47:27] <maxcnc> i just missed a click in google
[12:47:36] <maxcnc> one more sorry
[12:47:46] <witnit> I wouldnt apologize hahaha
[12:47:54] <witnit> but this is still super sweet
[12:48:02] <maxcnc> agree
[12:48:15] <maxcnc> generating g-code by side here
[12:48:26] <maxcnc> as i got a 1500 pice order in
[12:48:31] <witnit> woo!
[12:48:39] <maxcnc> only paper cut
[12:48:44] <witnit> can I see the print?
[12:49:07] <maxcnc> woudt be worth it to write a axis python
[12:49:23] <maxcnc> C1 -C25
[12:49:28] <maxcnc> thats all
[12:49:35] <maxcnc> 50mm size
[12:49:52] <maxcnc> but im faster to do in qcad and heeks
[12:50:20] <maxcnc> as i got a plotter post that got all inside
[12:50:39] <maxcnc> cool is the overrun so all letters are realy cut
[12:51:26] <maxcnc> witnit: you also got a knife cutter as i remember
[12:51:46] <maxcnc> i run smooth at 600mm/min at 0.2mm paper
[12:52:21] <witnit> I had a razor blade :P
[12:52:42] <maxcnc> ROLAND knives are cheep and realy good
[12:53:49] <maxcnc> 60deg
[12:55:18] <maxcnc> 5 for 3USD from HK
[12:55:56] <maxcnc> one extreme Nd magnet D5mm and a pice of alu to fix it
[12:58:38] <maxcnc> takes sometime loger to clear even the wood table then to cut the parts
[12:59:53] <maxcnc> someone knows if there is a fly cutter for the 3,17mm bits
[13:05:02] <maxcnc> Gn8 BBQ ready neibour is calling ;-)
[13:41:00] <enleth> millin PMMA for the first time on the bridgeport, turns out WD-40 is a great coolant/lubricant for this material
[13:41:03] <enleth> *milling
[13:42:52] <enleth> a friend needed a lid for a small silicone molding vacuum chamber, we got some 20mm PMMA for this
[13:43:56] <enleth> no arcs on the bridgeport yet with the old control, so we're testing an old rotary table at the same time to cut a round lid with a seal groove
[13:45:57] <Sync> wot, the old control cannot do arcs?
[13:45:59] <Sync> interesting
[13:46:03] <enleth> the table is gummed up, barely moves and lacks a proper handwheel so I have to use a 1/2" wrench to turn it, but *when* it moves, the surface finish is excellent
[13:46:22] <BeachBumPete> ouch that does not sound good
[13:46:27] <enleth> Sync: Heidenhain TNC 131, point-to-point straight cut
[13:46:52] <enleth> BeachBumPete: yeah, I just got it and haven't gotten around to take it apart for cleaning
[13:47:03] <BeachBumPete> aah is it a boss model?
[13:47:26] <enleth> nope, it's got servos, not those shitty BOSS steppers
[13:47:37] <enleth> it's just that there's only one servo drive in the cabinet
[13:47:38] <BeachBumPete> nice
[13:50:05] <enleth> I've got new servo drives (Copley Controls 423), but I have to completely replace the original servo power supply system - the original drive, Bosch Z15-1A, is a weirdo 70s piece of shit that drives motors with DC-biased phase voltage, so it's obviously supplied with AC
[13:50:22] <enleth> while CCs need DC
[13:54:21] <Sync> ah yeah, true it had that shitty single drive thing
[13:55:15] <Jymmm> Damn these are tiny... http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Micro-IC-clamp-TSOP-MSOP-SSOP-TSSOP-SOIC-SOP-Car-remote-control-key-IC-Clip-Patent/32537393641.html
[14:00:32] <Sync> Jymmm: they also suck
[14:00:39] <Sync> pomona 6490 is where it is at
[14:02:06] <Jymmm> Sync: Ive always loved pomona products, but never their prices =)
[14:02:57] <Jymmm> Sync: I also found these http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10PCS-test-hook-clip-Logic-analyzer-test-folder-For-USB-Saleae-24M-8CH/32328721842.html
[14:03:06] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hey Mr L
[14:03:06] <BeachBumPete> enleth these are just some of the reasons why I have basically gutted the machines I am retrofitting and starting with new stuff that I can get reasonably priced replacements for.
[14:03:18] <Sync> I hate those hook grabbers they make, idk, I never understood them
[14:03:24] <FloppyDisk> Sync pomona 6490 obsolete, none on ebay... Not where it's at anymore, apparently.
[14:03:30] <ve7it> Jymmm, good morning sir
[14:03:32] <Sync> those are worse Jymmm
[14:03:42] <Jymmm> Sync: Those are NOT hooks, they are "claws"
[14:04:19] <Jymmm> I'm actually looking for small hook clips =)
[14:04:50] <Sync> chipquick makes equivalent ones FloppyDisk
[14:04:56] <FloppyDisk> enleth - what do they have to get dc biased voltage? I have a transformer, rectifier, and large cap in my old anilam box w/ old drives. I 'think' it's DC that would run CC's, but now I'm questioning that.
[14:05:14] <Sync> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tpi-test-products-int/NC1Y/290-1109-ND/299990 those are neat also
[14:05:29] <Sync> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMDFP-2S-2/SMDFP-2S-2-ND/2334394 chipquick grabbers
[14:05:31] <Jymmm> Just found 20 to 30 ga strippers... http://www.amazon.com/Ideal-Industries-Stripmaster-Wire-Stripper/dp/B000B5Y9YM
[14:06:00] <Sync> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMDFP-1B10/SMDFP-1B10-ND/2334390 cheaper without the pigtail
[14:06:03] <BeachBumPete> man I can't wait to get into our new house so I can get my damn CNC machines out of storage
[14:06:25] <Jymmm> Sync: $88 you fucking mad?! lol
[14:06:40] <FloppyDisk> wow...
[14:06:50] <Sync> you get two and two pigtails
[14:06:57] <FloppyDisk> BeachBumPete - congrats. Sounds like you're getting closer.
[14:07:21] <BeachBumPete> FloppyDisk thanks man hoping so...
[14:07:31] <Sync> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/e-z-hook/X2015BLK/461-1000-ND/528221 ah
[14:07:33] <Jymmm> Sync: I think I might take my chances on the china stuff at that rate, even if I have to do a monthly order =)
[14:07:49] <Sync> ez hook makes the pomona style
[14:07:56] <Jymmm> Sync: $19 is at least "reasonable" =)
[14:08:03] <BeachBumPete> I did find a really cool local shop that does the same kind of tuner car stuff that I was doing in Tennessee only more of it... Hopefully I can make some inroads with those guys too....
[14:08:26] <Jymmm> Sync: Find me two/$18 piercing probes now =)
[14:08:38] <Jymmm> long reach
[14:08:58] <Jymmm> in neon pink and neon blue
[14:09:04] <Jymmm> with ruffles
[14:09:08] <BeachBumPete> jeez
[14:15:12] <FloppyDisk> BeachBumPete - Not familiar w/ the tuner car stuff you did? Brackets to mount radio's and such?
[14:15:58] <BeachBumPete> no I was making turbo manifolds and flanges etc...
[14:16:14] <Tom_itx> yeah radio tuner stuff
[14:16:33] <FloppyDisk> Mmm, I did see a pix of one of them a while back, it was nice. I do recall now...
[14:17:33] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/ofNDbPz.jpg
[14:18:01] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/zKPU7A9.jpg
[14:18:08] <BeachBumPete> stuff like that
[14:18:54] <Tom_itx> Pete, you gonna have room for all your machines at the new place?
[14:19:02] <BeachBumPete> and other thinks like brackets and whatnot
[14:19:13] <BeachBumPete> Tom_itx I would not be buying it if I did not ;)
[14:19:53] <Tom_itx> got enough power to run it?
[14:20:04] <BeachBumPete> the nice thing is this shop I just found and spent some time at yesterday is like 5 minutes from my hopefully new home here LOL
[14:20:22] <BeachBumPete> yeah it has the same kinda power setup as my old house
[14:20:59] <BeachBumPete> I will of course have to run some new lines for the machines, I took all of the heavy cables from the old house that were not permanent part of the house
[14:26:06] <FloppyDisk> Nice...
[14:26:59] <BeachBumPete> looking forward to working on the CNC lathe retrofit
[14:33:08] <Sync> I bet you'll be quicker than zeeshan|2
[14:33:29] <BeachBumPete> quicker at what?
[14:34:00] <malcom2073> Getting your lathe retrofitted, he's not even working on his as far as we know :-P
[14:34:17] <BeachBumPete> oh yeah I forgot he got that big one huh...
[14:34:30] <Sync> I bet his slab is still sinking
[14:35:17] <BeachBumPete> I have everything I need for it now except the ballscrew for the Z. Once I get into a house I should be able to get back on it soon hopefully
[14:43:10] <Inheritance> back to square one again
[14:43:12] <Inheritance> I may need a CNC
[14:43:27] <BeachBumPete> heh don't we all ;)
[14:43:27] <Inheritance> cnc can do everything a 3d printer can do, basically
[14:43:33] <Inheritance> and it can do everything a laser vutter can do, basically
[14:43:42] <jdh> buy one
[14:43:49] <jdh> or just talk about one.
[14:43:51] <Inheritance> I might get that omio
[14:43:56] <Inheritance> its controller runs the gcode
[14:43:59] <Inheritance> so I dont need another pc
[14:44:05] <Inheritance> they said its more stable that way
[14:44:06] <Inheritance> better cuts
[14:44:11] <Inheritance> more reliable, I mean
[14:44:22] <Inheritance> but someone in here said that controller could be bad
[14:44:25] <Inheritance> I noticed though
[14:44:41] <Inheritance> when I was checking out some $50,000 HAAS machine yesterdsay
[14:44:48] <Inheritance> that machine doesnt connect to a pc
[14:44:53] <Inheritance> it hasd its own controller attached
[14:44:57] <Inheritance> so maybe this is the pro way
[14:45:17] <jdh> yeah, that's it. the haas has a chinese arm in it.
[14:46:07] <Inheritance> everything inside it probably is chinese
[14:46:09] <Inheritance> even though you joke
[14:46:46] <Inheritance> the people in 3d printing dont think it makes sense
[14:46:50] <Inheritance> for me to 3d print my enclosures
[14:46:55] <Inheritance> they think it wont be accurate on side holes
[14:47:05] <Inheritance> they say it will be exspensive, (not sure how compared to stock)
[14:47:11] <Inheritance> and they said it will be weak
[14:47:18] <Inheritance> not sure how much I believe
[14:47:35] <BeachBumPete> that poor chinese fellow
[14:48:07] <jdh> no kidding
[14:49:03] <CaptHindsight> not another nick
[14:49:27] <CaptHindsight> rrrrrrrrrrrr spare hammers
[14:55:12] <Inheritance> lol CaptHindsight
[14:55:16] <Inheritance> you're my best buddy
[14:55:33] <Duc> you change your name again
[14:56:01] <BeachBumPete> who is dat?
[14:56:09] <CaptHindsight> to keep the negative attention going
[14:56:19] <Duc> LOL
[14:56:32] <Duc> Inheritance is Poly somthing something
[14:56:44] <jdh> PolyCantMakeUpHerMind
[14:57:33] <Duc> is it a female?
[14:57:33] <CaptHindsight> it's a form of IRC wack-a-mole
[14:57:54] <CaptHindsight> "I will not be ignored"
[15:00:38] <BeachBumPete> gaaah
[15:01:55] <_methods> ah that was his other nick i was trying to remember so i could /ignore
[15:01:56] <Duc> "IT" is easy to spot based on post and amount
[15:03:14] <BeachBumPete> I kinda thought those posts were a bit trying almost purposely so ;)
[15:03:40] <Duc> The wife is afraid I will convert over the router table while she is gone for 3 weeks
[15:04:01] <BeachBumPete> convert over to what?
[15:04:27] <CaptHindsight> Duc: not the usual thing you hear about in marriage counseling :)
[15:05:28] <Duc> The table is missing the Techno card which cost 550 dollars. and the software is limiting. IE shitty software. for 550 dollars I could install Mesa cards
[15:05:42] <Inheritance> lol _methods
[15:05:49] <Inheritance> it's not like I couldnt just make a new one up
[15:05:49] <Duc> CaptHindsight: Yea there is no worry about cheating or drinking just money spent in garage
[15:06:01] <Inheritance> but since you're an ignorant troll who contributes nothing to the discussion, by all means
[15:06:46] <Duc> BeachBumPete: They had a new controller for $2,000 but still limiting for features
[15:06:47] <BeachBumPete> I'm lucky since my wife is fully supportive of my addic...I mean work in the garage :D
[15:07:14] <Duc> she is supportive but I lack space. I have to push it outside to make room in garage
[15:07:35] <BeachBumPete> don't we all LOL
[15:08:03] <Duc> Not sure Ive shown you guys a picture of how full the garage is
[15:08:34] <BeachBumPete> it's okay man we've all been there hehe
[15:08:42] <CaptHindsight> archivist probably has you beat
[15:09:02] <_methods> archivist has stuff squirreled all over
[15:09:23] <Duc> I have no doubt
[15:09:44] <Duc> if I could sell the table then I can buy more tools :D
[15:10:01] <BeachBumPete> I am planning a nice big shed for our new home here once we get settled in...
[15:10:17] <CaptHindsight> Duc: ehat size table?
[15:10:25] <CaptHindsight> ehat/what
[15:10:56] <Duc> X-Axis Travel = 30.0"
[15:10:56] <Duc> Y-Axis Travel = 24.0"
[15:10:56] <Duc> Z-Axis Travel = 8.9"
[15:10:58] <enleth> BeachBumPete: the thing with my mill is that everything *other* than servo power supply is just fine, I'm definitely not gutting it in the literal sense of this term
[15:11:03] <Duc> 3 HP 12-18K spindle
[15:11:16] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/54-user-exchange/30909-techno-cnc-router-table.
[15:11:30] <enleth> BeachBumPete: the factory wiring is so nice, neat and well though out that I'm sure I couldn't come up with anything as good
[15:11:36] <Duc> I want to keep it but the wife is not on board. Cant blame her
[15:12:30] <BeachBumPete> I look at that machine and think they did such a nice job why the hell didn't they make it MUCH bigger :D
[15:13:01] <enleth> FloppyDisk: no fucking idea, but here's the schematic: https://hackerspace.pl/~enleth/schematic-marked.pdf - the servo drive is in the middle. Note that one side of the DC servo windings is directly connected to L1 (and the center tap of the servo supply autotransformer)
[15:13:22] <Duc> There is multiple models. There is some 5x10' machines out there
[15:13:28] <enleth> FloppyDisk: let me reiterate: one side of a DC servo is at line voltage with no galvanic isolation
[15:13:37] <CaptHindsight> Duc: use it for school fund raiser to make molds of kids faces for chocolates and candy, it will pay for itself
[15:13:37] <Duc> I think this was for eductional or businesses that didnt need a large table
[15:14:19] <Duc> CaptHindsight: would you believe that I have no kids so it may seem creepy if I show up at a school function
[15:14:36] <Inheritance> Polymorphism, did you ever get a machine?
[15:14:37] <Sync> enleth: that was actually a common setup back then
[15:14:44] <CaptHindsight> don't just show up
[15:15:03] <BeachBumPete> there is all sorts of stuff you could make with that machine actually
[15:15:17] <enleth> FloppyDisk: thus the only reasonable thing the other servo terminal might be getting is DC-biased phase voltage
[15:15:45] <Duc> its going to storage for now till it sells or I buy a house with a shop then its all mine
[15:15:51] <enleth> Sync: I imagine they just couldn't figure out a better way with the technology they had back then, but it's still a piece of shit by today's standards
[15:17:01] <enleth> but the rest of the machine is fine, I'm keeping all the relay logic and such, other than whatever I already changed to integrate a VFD
[15:18:07] <enleth> OK, plexi milling done, turned out really nice, I cut myself on the milled edge
[15:18:52] <enleth> but the rotary table really needs an overhaul.
[15:20:54] <Duc> which brand of rotary
[15:21:05] <pcw_home> looks like a SCR 1/2 bridge drive
[15:22:26] <enleth> pcw_home: honestly, all I care for is that it's still got market value, the sooner I get rid of it, the better - for my machine and for someone who needs a spare drive for theirs
[15:22:35] <enleth> they still sell for $200-$300 on ebay
[15:23:31] <enleth> I guess people still run 70s-80s iron with original controls and those boards keep it going
[15:25:23] <Duc> I know I just sold a old bridgeport stepper for a boss series
[15:25:46] <pcw_home> 1 axis at a time has got to be a bit limiting :-)
[15:29:15] <enleth> pcw_home: yeah, that's why I got four Copley Controls 423 drives to replace this one
[15:29:42] <enleth> Duc: it's Korean, not even sure if South or North
[15:30:01] <enleth> all writing on the nameplate is either Korean or numbers
[15:30:02] <Duc> enleth: Must be south its still running
[15:30:14] <enleth> it's dated 1974
[15:30:46] <enleth> it may actually be North Korean - Poland was a communist country back then, they did trade with NK
[15:31:28] <enleth> http://i.imgur.com/aLWnVpo.jpg
[15:31:39] <Duc> at least the iron should be good in that time fraem
[15:32:58] <Sync> pcw_home: just gotta alternate them very quickly :D
[15:33:14] <Sync> enleth: no, it was cheap
[15:33:17] <Sync> that is why they used it
[15:33:27] <Sync> proper dc amps were around
[15:34:26] <enleth> oh well, as I said, I'm selling it ASAP, I just need to make a new power supply for the CCs
[15:35:32] <enleth> http://i.imgur.com/DR8WOLq.jpg - and that's the whole table
[15:37:56] <enleth> the "crank" end of the worm goes through an eccentric bushing with a lever to disengage the whole thing
[15:38:37] <Sync> classic setup
[15:39:29] <enleth> and the other side has a reversible reduction gear with a neutral position and what looks like one side of a Cardan coupling
[15:40:00] <enleth> there's also this movable cam that can disengage power feed automatically
[15:41:25] <enleth> there are no mounting holes around the coupling so I guess the motor would just be bolted to the machine table beside the rotary
[15:48:25] <zeeshan|2> Sync: fu
[15:48:31] <zeeshan|2> ive already started on the lathe conversion
[15:48:40] <zeeshan|2> but not on high priortiy list :P
[15:49:00] <Sync> yarite
[15:49:32] <Sync> so, is your slab still sinking?
[15:49:39] <Sync> not that you'll end up on australia
[15:50:09] <zeeshan|2> nope
[15:50:13] <zeeshan|2> it settled after going down 1/8"
[15:50:22] <zeeshan|2> i got a mark on the wall
[15:50:24] <zeeshan|2> hasnt moved
[15:51:47] <Tom_itx> whassup today zeeshan|2?
[15:54:24] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i got a few people coming to see the subaru
[15:54:28] <zeeshan|2> so i did the brakes, and cleaned her up
[15:54:43] <zeeshan|2> one step closer to a 4runner
[15:54:43] <zeeshan|2> :D
[15:55:12] <zeeshan|2> howd cad going?
[15:55:29] <Tom_itx> good but haven't worked on it any this weekend
[15:55:42] <zeeshan|2> do you an have e-copy of all your notes? :P
[15:55:48] <Tom_itx> just waiting for the final on the 16th
[15:56:05] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna try to get pdf for all my books if they'll release them
[15:56:08] <Tom_itx> they have em...
[15:56:14] <zeeshan|2> nice
[15:56:19] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if ill learn catia
[15:56:22] <zeeshan|2> cause i need to learn french first
[15:56:25] <Sync> learn nx
[15:56:28] <zeeshan|2> i know nx :P
[15:56:33] <zeeshan|2> nx, inventor, solidworks
[15:56:33] <Tom_itx> there are english versions ya know
[15:56:45] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: haha, i need to learn french more
[15:56:49] <zeeshan|2> cause itll increase my value more
[15:56:56] <zeeshan|2> than catia will at the moment
[15:57:17] <zeeshan|2> Sync: http://i.imgur.com/Hv3Njpu.jpg
[15:57:25] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/yh4Sddt.jpg
[15:57:26] <zeeshan|2> you like? :D
[15:57:32] <Tom_itx> it has so many modules it would take several years to cover em all
[15:57:34] <zeeshan|2> slowly coming together
[15:58:07] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i believe ya :P
[15:58:18] <zeeshan|2> my friends job pays for him to take catia courses
[15:58:20] <zeeshan|2> w/ the company
[15:58:29] <zeeshan|2> i think go for 1 week 3 times a year
[15:58:34] <Tom_itx> stagger the splices so the bundle won't be so big when you cover it
[15:58:35] <zeeshan|2> *they
[15:58:48] <Tom_itx> they are not cheap classes
[15:58:49] <zeeshan|2> what splices
[15:58:57] <zeeshan|2> those are labels
[15:59:05] <zeeshan|2> theres no splices in the harness yet
[15:59:10] <Tom_itx> oh
[15:59:43] <zeeshan|2> im using teflon wire for the coolant sensor
[15:59:47] <Sync> zeeshan|2: diagonally cut shrinkwrap, low coverage sleeve pffft
[15:59:57] <zeeshan|2> that thing sits right near a 1600f turbo
[16:00:10] <zeeshan|2> Sync: it needs to functional
[16:00:11] <zeeshan|2> not pretty1 :P
[16:00:17] <Sync> well
[16:00:27] <Sync> the low coverage is actually a functional issue
[16:00:37] <zeeshan|2> i always leave extra wire
[16:00:38] <Sync> if you have it rubbing somewhere it can rub through the wires
[16:00:43] <zeeshan|2> if the connector breaks
[16:00:48] <zeeshan|2> you can rewire
[16:00:58] <zeeshan|2> and those wires arent going to touch anything because theyre right near the connector
[16:01:08] <Sync> no
[16:01:12] <zeeshan|2> im sure youve seen oem harnesses
[16:01:15] <zeeshan|2> they expose wires too
[16:01:18] <Sync> yes
[16:01:21] <Sync> but they are cunts
[16:02:14] <zeeshan|2> man i cant stand corrguated tubing
[16:02:14] <XXCoder> good morning
[16:02:22] <zeeshan|2> harness gets all stiff as fak
[16:02:34] <zeeshan|2> this nylon stuff is awesome, first time using it
[16:02:46] <XXCoder> nets and covers is nicely done z
[16:03:25] <Sync> when you start doing shit with teflon wire and raychem dr25 you'll be even more amazed
[16:03:51] <zeeshan|2> main reason i didnt go with raychem dr25 was serviceability
[16:03:56] <zeeshan|2> that stuff is impossible to take off
[16:04:01] <Tom_itx> i used that on my control box
[16:04:05] <Tom_itx> in a couple places
[16:04:19] <Sync> yeah it is a problem zeeshan|2
[16:05:47] <Sync> I'm also going to add a connector to my engine harness, although I did not want to
[16:05:51] <Sync> makes removing it so much easier
[16:06:59] <zeeshan|2> nice
[16:07:06] <zeeshan|2> i added a couple extra wires
[16:07:09] <Sync> I really hate all those japanese custom connectors tho :/
[16:07:13] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:07:16] <zeeshan|2> they are the WORSE!!
[16:07:22] <zeeshan|2> delphi imo is the best
[16:07:28] <zeeshan|2> well made
[16:07:37] <zeeshan|2> (for automotive)
[16:07:47] <Sync> I started soldering to the pins and put deutsch dtm or superseals in there
[16:08:38] <zeeshan|2> arent deutsch connectors $$$$$$$$$
[16:10:28] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/autowagens/autosport.jpg yes
[16:10:55] <zeeshan|2> sexyy
[16:11:01] <XXCoder> got question, my van harness wiring has one connector thats broken, is there connectors supply?
[16:11:09] <Sync> your dealership
[16:11:14] <XXCoder> ok thanks
[16:11:19] <Sync> usually cheaper and easier than ordering
[16:11:23] <zeeshan|2> van model?
[16:11:25] <Sync> and finding out what shit you need
[16:11:41] <XXCoder> zee I'll just go to dealership, never could find it anywhere lol
[16:11:58] <zeeshan|2> tell meeee
[16:12:06] <XXCoder> lol nissan quest 1996
[16:12:17] <zeeshan|2> ah japanese
[16:12:19] <zeeshan|2> :/
[16:12:47] <Sync> and which connector?
[16:13:06] <XXCoder> its apparently one of best van designs ever. average mileage is 200,000, and mines at 197,000 or so
[16:13:14] <DaViruz> so while on the subject of connectors, does anyone recognize this one? http://dvhome.meeep.net/files/ktmconnector/1.jpeg
[16:13:32] <XXCoder> oh Sync conector to idle ait controller
[16:13:35] <XXCoder> *air
[16:14:01] <DaViruz> the pins are on a cicle about 8mm or 5/16
[16:16:04] <Sync> http://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1w2O9KpXXXXbOXFXXq6xXFXXXX/Idle-Air-Control-Valve-For-Nissan-QUEST.jpg that connector XXCoder?
[16:17:01] <XXCoder> hmm think so, havent looked for long while. its wiring harness side thats broken though not idle air controller
[16:17:21] <XXCoder> it connects fine but its securing part dont work so it slowly slips out
[16:17:24] <DaViruz> that looks like a ordinary JPT, though with non standard keying
[16:17:38] <DaViruz> junior power timer
[16:18:22] <Sync> well sure, but I mean the connector
[16:18:46] <Sync> yeah kinda like the regular injector connectors
[16:21:22] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:09] <Duc> Found out the router table wont fit in the small storage unit I have
[16:41:42] <XXCoder> doh
[16:42:16] <Duc> yea. Going to ask rental company if I can place a smalls storage shed on property that I will remove later on
[16:44:41] <Duc> How would I go about forcing the system ignore the rotary for homing so I can run Midi commands without homing the 4th
[16:48:53] <Duc> Nevermind there is a statement at the INI_home page describing how to force home at bootup. Let see if that will work if the drive is disconnected
[16:49:22] <XXCoder> yeah should be ok just set home
[16:50:34] <Duc> Ill just comment out my verified code for using the home switch if it ever needs it
[16:50:51] <FloppyDisk> Duc - yes, setting in INI that will allow you to not have to home. Forget what it is...
[16:51:02] <FloppyDisk> My supermax doesn't have home switches, so I never home...
[16:51:08] <Duc> 3.12. Immediate Homing
[16:51:08] <Duc> If an axis does not have home switches or does not have a logical home position like a rotary axis and you want that axis to home at the current position when the "Home All" button is pressed in Axis the following ini entries for that axis are needed.
[16:51:08] <Duc> 1. HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0
[16:51:08] <Duc> 2. HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0
[16:51:09] <Duc> 3. HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
[16:51:11] <Duc> 4. HOME_SEQUENCE = 0
[16:51:17] <FloppyDisk> Been meaning to add them, just didn't get around to it.
[16:52:05] <XXCoder> FloppyDisk: dont home required to run machine?
[16:52:39] <FloppyDisk> XXCoder - homing not req'd... I touch off the work piece in G55 or whatever I'm using...
[16:52:50] <XXCoder> interesting
[16:53:04] <FloppyDisk> Usually set g54 to a 'home' position that I leave the machine in before shutting off so I can put in a collet w/ tool.
[16:53:25] <FloppyDisk> BTW - I'm no machining master, just my anilam conversion didn't have home switches, so I don't know any different...
[16:53:36] <Duc> so if there is over travel you will never know till you hit the hard stops
[16:53:44] <XXCoder> mine dont either but I set em anyway
[16:53:52] <Duc> does it have limit switches?
[16:53:58] <XXCoder> nope
[16:54:05] <FloppyDisk> Duc - Ahhh... good question. The limits KILL power to amps, so I don't hit hard stops.
[16:54:21] <FloppyDisk> Hence, why I don't use limits to home. Again, how the mill was wired in and I didn't change it.
[16:54:42] <Duc> my limit switches are also my home switches
[16:54:45] <FloppyDisk> And, there is only ONE limit per axis w/ two 'dogs' on the linear axis. Strange setup...
[16:55:13] <FloppyDisk> I wouldn't have done it this way, but that's how it came and I didn't change it... Made wiring it easy as only one limit switch.
[16:55:42] <FloppyDisk> What I love, is that LInuxCNC accommodated that setup in the INI and I had no issues. That's what I love about LCNC...
[16:55:48] <Inheritance> linuxcnc ROCKS
[16:55:54] <XXCoder> you can add home switches
[16:55:59] <Duc> I have one switch on each axis. The limit switch doesnt move with the table but there is tabs on each side of the axis movement
[16:56:01] <FloppyDisk> Inheritance - you have to have a machine...
[16:56:02] <XXCoder> it can be anywhere really
[16:56:21] <FloppyDisk> XXCoder - Yes - I plan on it, my machinist buddy lectured me for 5 mins on it:-)
[16:56:31] <XXCoder> cool :)
[16:56:36] <XXCoder> I just gonna figure how to add mine
[16:56:44] <XXCoder> I have switches but no idea how to add em
[16:56:51] <FloppyDisk> What you should do is add limits and then home to the Z or index signal on your encoder - super accurate homing that way.
[16:57:12] <FloppyDisk> If you have an encoder.
[16:57:34] <XXCoder> nice
[16:57:59] <FloppyDisk> XXCoder - Not sure what kind of switches you have, but you need a flag on the moving axis and the switch mounted... Wire it into LCNC , then look at the manuals to configure.
[16:58:29] <FloppyDisk> It will take some reading and work, but not too hard. Try it and post to the forum or mailing list, I would think some people would help out.
[16:58:43] <XXCoder> oh wiring and configure is not issue
[16:58:49] <XXCoder> I just suck on building
[16:59:01] <FloppyDisk> I would if I see what you're doing... Someone earlier today posted a nice cheap limit switch for $.99. That would work.
[16:59:18] <Sync> it's just a regular microswitch
[16:59:23] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, well, I suck at a lot of things, it's time...
[16:59:30] <XXCoder> yeah I have 5, supposed to be 6 but I somehow lost one
[16:59:30] <Sync> I would not trust it for homing
[16:59:49] <Sync> homing to an index mark on the glass scale is a nice method
[17:00:06] <XXCoder> right now I just touch off on ends
[17:00:31] <Duc> well that was a little weird. The rotary moved a little when it should have home right away. It did home at least
[17:01:09] <XXCoder> as soon as I'm done eating I am changing configure on my cnc router to stop step skipping
[17:01:37] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/5LTTuFjYc0I
[17:01:51] <Duc> Mechanical limit switches repeat really well
[17:02:42] <XXCoder> does steppers have massive boost in power useage when it cant move?
[17:03:17] <FloppyDisk> steppers should not have massive boost - they're at the same current moving or not... Unless the drive limits current on idle.
[17:03:18] <XXCoder> I know motors do, probably servos do
[17:03:33] <XXCoder> FloppyDisk: I'm talking about jammed, which is mnot normal
[17:03:41] <FloppyDisk> Servo's do that because they're out of position, so the drive responds based on PID.
[17:04:09] <FloppyDisk> That'd be stall torque, but no, should be same current for stepper, until you 'stall' and then the motor won't hold position.
[17:04:21] <XXCoder> interesting ok
[17:05:18] <Sync> DaViruz: been looking around, but I have not found that plug yet
[17:06:31] <DaViruz> it's truly an oddball
[17:06:48] <DaViruz> it's also numbered strangely. http://dvhome.meeep.net/files/ktmconnector/pinout.png
[17:06:56] <DaViruz> never seen a circular connector numbered like that before
[17:07:17] <XXCoder> DaViruz: cant change to more standard connectors?
[17:08:30] <DaViruz> i suppose it's possible, but i'd very much prefer not to
[17:08:47] <FloppyDisk> Steppers don't have feedback so they blindly send out the current and the motor does whatever it's going to do...
[17:08:52] <DaViruz> simply because of the cost of the things involved
[17:09:22] <FloppyDisk> Some have anti-resonance feedback or read the back-emf and can do stall detect, but not those cheapy chinese ones...
[17:10:59] <Sync> I'd probably open the battery box or the connector to see if there is a manufacuters name somewhere
[17:15:56] <Duc> ok mill work fine with rotary disconnected using that code. Still odd it moves at first
[17:19:48] <DaViruz> Sync: yeah i'm going to do that
[17:21:40] <Sync> how are you liking the bike?
[17:22:01] <Sync> I've been riding one one and off at a track here and don't know what to think about it
[17:24:29] <DaViruz> i'm not entirely sure. it's way too expensive for what you get for one thing
[17:25:52] <Sync> yeah that's true
[17:26:36] <Sync> I also always feel like it is underpowered, although it isn't that bad
[17:26:42] <DaViruz> it's also a great way to avoid learning good clutch technique..
[17:26:43] <DaViruz> :)
[17:27:02] <DaViruz> i've never felt that really
[17:27:23] <DaViruz> but i only use it for enduro, for motocross it would probably feel quite underpowered i guess
[17:28:12] <Sync> well, probably
[17:28:59] <Sync> got a yz450f and a cr500 currently for offroad stuff
[17:43:52] <enleth> I just tried to disassemble the rotary table, but the fucker just won't cooperate. Flipped it over on a pallet and propped the body casting with some wooden blocks to have the actual table hang 1-2cm over the pallet, undid 6 screws on a flange under the table (two different sizes, interestingly, in two sets of three laid out in a triangle each), then applied a wooden mallet to the underside of the table
[17:43:58] <enleth> through the center hole - and it won't budge.
[17:48:20] <enleth> It doesn't seem to be held together by anything more than those screws and dried up grease, so I poured some ATF/kerosene mix inside and let it soak overnight.
[17:48:59] <enleth> Best case, I'll find it tomorrow disassembled already by the gravity.
[17:50:26] <Sync> cooking with atf in an ultrasonic cleaner also often helps
[17:52:43] <xxcodermill> okay
[17:52:48] <enleth> it's a 32cm 90kg cast iron rotary table, I'd need a damn ultrasonic bathtub fo that
[17:52:48] <xxcodermill> configuring it heh
[17:52:56] <enleth> *rot
[17:53:00] <enleth> *for, dammit
[17:54:48] <enleth> it's heavy enough that I prefer to drop the knee all the way down and crank it back up than lift the damn thing up to the table level at working height
[17:55:04] <enleth> with no knee power feed, that means *something*
[17:55:35] <JT-Deck> A crane is in order
[17:56:27] <enleth> I do have one, but it's in the broom closet. I wasn't working alone so we figured it's ok to lift 45kg each, health-wise
[17:56:45] <JT-Deck> I'm glad the work week is over
[17:56:54] <enleth> actually that's more of a crane closet than a broom closet, there's more cranes than brooms in there
[17:57:14] <Tom_itx> the weather trying to decide whether to hit or not here
[17:57:29] <enleth> but still, fetching it, setting it up and stashing it back in there would take even more time and effort than cranking the knee
[17:57:38] <JT-Deck> It's supposed to rain here tomorrow
[17:57:55] <Tom_itx> we've been warned on just about everything here
[17:58:02] <Tom_itx> tornados, hail etc
[17:58:05] <Tom_itx> so far nothing
[17:58:09] <Tom_itx> but a little rain
[17:58:21] <JT-Deck> I have a little bit more on this level to excavate
[17:59:25] <enleth> it did rain heavily here a few days ago, enough for the drain pipes to back up and flood the, well, crane closet
[18:00:17] <JT-Deck> Any ideas on a lcd driver that takes binary input
[18:00:32] <enleth> everything's on pallets in there, no damage, just some time wasted sucking the water out with a shopvac
[18:01:13] <enleth> JT-Deck: what do you mean, binary?
[18:01:39] <enleth> JT-Deck: for displaying numerical values, in plain binary format instead of BCD?
[18:02:11] <JT-Deck> 2 inputs for 3 messages 3 inputs for 7 messages
[18:02:46] <JT-Deck> Output of plc to display a message on the lcd
[18:02:57] <enleth> like, fixed messages?
[18:03:12] <JT-Deck> Preprogrammed messages
[18:03:15] <Tom_itx> i used a serial lcd on my toaster oven
[18:03:17] <JT-Deck> Yes
[18:03:23] <Tom_itx> pregrogrammed like how?
[18:03:34] <Tom_itx> preprogrammed*
[18:03:35] <enleth> JT-Deck: get a HD44780 display and some uC
[18:03:49] <Tom_itx> 44780 are the most common txt ones
[18:04:02] <enleth> I don't think there are ready to use LCD controllers for preprogrammed text messages
[18:04:06] <JT-Deck> Tom I'm asking how
[18:04:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Deck, what you hookin it to?
[18:04:15] <enleth> but making one with an Arduino or something should be easy
[18:04:19] <JT-Deck> Plc
[18:04:41] <JT-Deck> To display error message
[18:04:48] <Tom_itx> i have the design and code for one but no boards left
[18:04:49] <JT-Deck> Cheap
[18:05:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/serial_lcd_sch.png
[18:05:14] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/serial_lcd_brd.png
[18:05:48] <Tom_itx> i set that up so you could hook either plug type to it
[18:05:57] <JT-Deck> Tom how does that work
[18:05:57] <Tom_itx> 2x7 or 1x14
[18:06:07] <xxcodermill> hmmm
[18:06:12] <Tom_itx> iirc i wired it for 4bit mode
[18:06:13] <xxcodermill> what distro is linuxcnc based on?
[18:06:36] <JT-Deck> I use linuxmint
[18:06:52] <JT-Deck> 4bit?
[18:07:16] <xxcodermill> what is default?
[18:07:24] <xxcodermill> I ujust downloaded image and installed
[18:07:26] <JT-Deck> Debian now
[18:07:38] <xxcodermill> ok
[18:07:57] <Tom_itx> yeah you can wire the lcd for 4 or 8bit mode so it takes less wires
[18:08:08] <Tom_itx> on an lcd 4bit is ok since they're so slow anyway
[18:08:35] <Tom_itx> looking for the code...
[18:08:42] <JT-Deck> Is that something I can breadboard
[18:08:59] <Tom_itx> i used a smt avr2313 on it
[18:09:01] <JT-Deck> On the phone so limited
[18:09:14] <enleth> there are ATtiny2313 in DIP, doable
[18:09:32] <Tom_itx> yeah you probably could but you'd need to get the code dumped to the avr
[18:09:38] <enleth> Tom_itx: as far as I understand, he needs this thing to select messages based on a parallel binary signal, just a message number, so even a serial is too high level
[18:09:38] <xxcodermill> if its so slow
[18:09:41] <xxcodermill> get eink display
[18:09:53] <xxcodermill> 2 to 4 fps but should be enough
[18:10:46] <Tom_itx> oh
[18:11:08] <JT-Deck> Yea output 1 message 1
[18:11:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/Toasteroven/4bit_mode/
[18:11:22] <Tom_itx> there's the code
[18:11:22] <JT-Deck> Output 2 message 2
[18:11:37] <JT-Deck> Output 1 and 2 message 3
[18:11:42] <Tom_itx> i suppose you could have it respond to the avr inputs and output the messages
[18:11:51] <Tom_itx> you'd have to mod the code a bit
[18:12:14] <Tom_itx> change it from a serial input to 4bit binary or such
[18:12:22] <enleth> as much as I *don't* like the arduino, I think it's the best solution here unless someone volunteers to do this for JT-Deck
[18:12:23] <t12> greetings from shenzhen
[18:13:24] <Tom_itx> USART_tx_string("0000PRESS BUTTON TO\n");
[18:13:26] <Tom_itx> USART_tx_string("0001START \n");
[18:13:34] <Tom_itx> that's what i send it currently
[18:13:46] <JT-Deck> I don't mind trying to do it just need direction. I'm monkey see monkey do
[18:14:50] <Tom_itx> you could use the lcd code and mod it to read a few of the avr pins as inputs to display preset messages
[18:15:05] <Tom_itx> shouldn't be that hard to do
[18:15:18] <JT-Deck> I need to look at it in the morning
[18:15:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/Toasteroven/
[18:15:46] <Tom_itx> that's the whole of the toaster oven code
[18:15:57] <JT-Deck> Easy once you know how lol
[18:16:03] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't need the oven part, just the 4bit directory stuff for the 2313
[18:16:29] <Tom_itx> and i haven't coded an avr in quite a while so i'm rather rusty
[18:16:58] <JT-Deck> I've never coded one lol
[18:17:24] <JT-Deck> I'll look at the logs in the morning
[18:17:30] <Tom_itx> you've never done quite a few things you seem to be good at
[18:18:01] <Tom_itx> i've got lcd code for other avrs, it's pretty generic
[18:18:23] <Tom_itx> you had a 328 or something didn't you?
[18:18:57] <JT-Deck> I got something from you
[18:19:05] <Inheritance> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upk4yYgDHIo
[18:19:06] <Inheritance> need this
[18:19:08] <Tom_itx> a programmer
[18:19:55] <JT-Deck> It seems to get easier for each project
[18:20:38] <Tom_itx> Inheritance they've got one of those at the uni i go to, pretty cool stuff
[18:20:47] <JT-Deck> Got ribs smoking on the barbie
[18:20:58] <xxcoder_> got web camera working lol
[18:21:02] <Inheritance> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfdO4p4SFc this one is even better, metal
[18:21:06] <xxcoder_> configuring stuff now
[18:21:19] <xxcoder_> so can show you guys if sound better
[18:21:26] <Tom_itx> they had a bunch of Ti samples they'd done laying around
[18:21:35] <JT-Deck> Cool
[18:21:55] <Tom_itx> i'll pull a pic off the phone...
[18:22:09] <_methods> just got done with ribs here too
[18:22:53] <JT-Deck> Strawberries garlic powder black cherry smoke
[18:24:49] <JT-Deck> 225f low and slow
[18:25:32] <Inheritance> mmm
[18:25:36] <Inheritance> now I'm hungry
[18:25:48] <_methods> i did mine at 200
[18:26:06] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/JJEnDbl.jpg
[18:26:14] <xxcoder_> ok a question
[18:26:22] <JT-Deck> Nice. The barbie won't go that low
[18:26:24] <xxcoder_> stepconf shows microstep as currently 2
[18:26:31] <xxcoder_> I changed to 1/4
[18:26:32] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/prints/Ti_print1.jpg
[18:26:39] <xxcoder_> put 4 in and change anything else?
[18:26:40] <_methods> i can keep the egg down at like 180
[18:26:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/prints/Ti_print2.jpg
[18:26:49] <Tom_itx> that was printed as you see it
[18:26:56] <JT-Deck> Mighty fine rack
[18:27:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/prints/Ti_print3.jpg
[18:27:10] <Tom_itx> all Ti
[18:27:30] <Tom_itx> including the Ti legos
[18:27:39] <_methods> got those ribs from a local farm
[18:27:45] <xxcoder_> just change microsteps or?
[18:27:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/prints/plastic_prints.jpg
[18:28:05] <Tom_itx> other various things they've done
[18:28:21] <_methods> hehe titanium legos
[18:28:27] <JT-Deck> Xxcoder all that is important is the scale
[18:28:50] <xxcoder_> so change microsteps and also change scale with it?
[18:28:55] <xxcoder_> Ti lego nice
[18:29:13] <xxcoder_> wonder if 3d model was made by using ldrdat2dxf or obj lol
[18:29:20] <JT-Deck> How many steps per user unit
[18:29:58] <JT-Deck> Look at the scale number
[18:30:14] <Tom_itx> the golf club head was printed and fitted to a carbon fiber shank from the other department
[18:30:26] <xxcoder_> 200 step/mm
[18:30:34] <xxcoder_> should change to 400?
[18:31:08] <JT-Deck> How many steps per mm for the axis
[18:31:26] <xxcoder_> orginially it was 200 with 1/2 micro
[18:33:30] <Tom_itx> they had a print of a ~18" tall vase on the shelf that was printed 1 layer thick
[18:33:48] <JT-Deck> Nice
[18:34:49] <Tom_itx> notice the red timing belt in the middle of the pile
[18:34:52] <JT-Deck> Tom you getting any precip yet
[18:34:58] <Tom_itx> a little
[18:35:43] <Tom_itx> real humid out
[18:35:56] <JT-Deck> North of kc is getting some
[18:35:58] <Tom_itx> just soupy enough for a tornado
[18:36:05] <JT-Deck> Yuck
[18:36:37] <Tom_itx> not really doing much of anything out right now but you can sure feel it in the air
[18:37:07] <xxcoder_> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder
[18:37:16] <JT-Deck> Mmmm the grill is smoking now
[18:37:27] <xxcoder_> test at 100 acceration 75 mm/s
[18:37:33] <xxcoder_> 1/4 step
[18:38:08] <xxcoder_> hows it sound
[18:38:40] <JT-Deck> Can't look data limited
[18:38:53] <Sync> > data limited
[18:38:58] <Tom_itx> yeah sry, my pics were huge
[18:39:02] <Sync> it is 2016
[18:39:09] <Tom_itx> nothing on the pc atm to shrink em down
[18:39:10] <JT-Deck> Yep
[18:39:29] <JT-Deck> Free in the morning
[18:40:02] <JT-Deck> I'm not sure if I like plavix
[18:40:19] <Tom_itx> they printed the timing belt from some type of flexible plastic and it was very strong
[18:40:30] <JT-Deck> Cool
[18:40:40] <xxcoder_> JT-Deck: was it to me?
[18:40:49] <Tom_itx> purpose built for one of their robot arms or something iirc
[18:41:04] <JT-Deck> Xxcoder?
[18:41:23] <xxcoder_> here's live stream of my machine running
[18:41:28] <xxcoder_> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder
[18:41:33] <Tom_itx> didn't load here
[18:41:51] <malcom2073> Oh nice you got the webcam set up?
[18:42:02] <xxcoder_> yeah fixing something a second
[18:42:06] <JT-Deck> Can't look wife used all the data
[18:43:01] <JT-Deck> Got good smoke on the barbie
[18:43:12] <xxcoder_> okay that is odd
[18:43:28] <xxcoder_> setting steps/mm to 200 or 400 dont change distance of travel and its too sh9rt
[18:43:33] <Tom_itx> was gonna bbq chicken but ended up in the pot instead due to rain
[18:44:20] <malcom2073> xxcoder_: Great video of your calipers moving back and forth :-P
[18:44:32] <xxcoder_> yeah its awesome shitty caliper video
[18:44:40] <xxcoder_> its found sound more than visual
[18:44:47] <xxcoder_> *for more sound than visual
[18:44:56] <malcom2073> Ah, I don't have speakers here
[18:45:00] <JT-Deck> Tom have you done bacon wrapped chicken in honey mustard
[18:46:01] <xxcoder_> axis scale is currently 200 steps/mm
[18:49:48] <Sync> uh
[18:49:52] <Sync> they are still using flash
[18:49:56] <Sync> wtf is wrong with them
[18:50:06] <xxcoder_> I know.
[18:50:13] <xxcoder_> ione of better streaming apparently
[18:50:36] <xxcoder_> okay 300mm test travel should be 30 cm on ruler
[18:50:39] <JT-Deck> Mmm sauerkraut is done
[18:50:52] <xxcoder_> but looks olike it turns around at 7 cm or so
[18:51:15] <xxcoder_> lemme look configuration again, may have messed with tb6560 wrong
[18:51:32] <xxcoder_> yuuup
[18:51:38] <xxcoder_> 1/8 not 1/4
[18:51:45] <xxcoder_> it has 1, 2, 8, 16
[18:51:49] <xxcoder_> no 4
[18:52:47] <xxcoder_> still 6.7 cm
[18:53:21] <JT-Deck> Battery dead see you in the morning
[18:57:06] <Tom_itx> later
[19:14:53] <xxcoder_> anyone willing to check sounds?\
[19:21:19] <xxcoder_> hey zeeshan
[19:22:00] <xxcoder_> want check out livestream
[19:22:17] <xxcoder_> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder
[19:23:07] <Inheritance> https://cdn.solarbotics.com/products/photos/343742fc3dcf3ba961d77652c97ef636/60121-stalkercase2_01.jpg how would I mill the ends of that
[19:23:12] <Inheritance> I wouldnt have the Z
[19:23:41] <zeeshan> ends of what?
[19:23:41] <SpeedEvil> Z?
[19:23:50] <zeeshan> thats like 2" tall
[19:24:01] <SpeedEvil> oh
[19:24:28] <SpeedEvil> Find something else to mill, or a bigger mill.
[19:24:42] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i see a ruler
[19:24:47] <zeeshan> and someone says they like boobies
[19:24:48] <xxcoder_> Inheritance: saw it off then mill finish
[19:25:06] <SpeedEvil> Or make a punch and die set
[19:25:07] <xxcoder_> zeeshan: yeah its me checking how far it travels, but I cant check sounds out
[19:25:17] <zeeshan> i cant hear anything eitehr
[19:26:09] <xxcoder_> hm a second
[19:26:38] <xxcoder_> to quote verizon, can you hear me now?
[19:26:44] <zeeshan> i hear
[19:26:46] <zeeshan> now
[19:26:55] <zeeshan> it sounds pretty good :P
[19:27:12] <xxcoder_> hm still some misconfig, 2 cm range when test is 5mm +-
[19:27:18] <xxcoder_> should total 1 cm
[19:27:30] <zeeshan> use a dial indicator!
[19:27:38] <xxcoder_> dont have one
[19:27:55] <zeeshan> gotta play with the scling factor
[19:28:03] <zeeshan> 5mm / 200
[19:28:06] <xxcoder_> so glad I bought athat 4 for $1 clips, its holding to camera now
[19:28:15] <xxcoder_> was lousty before
[19:29:06] <zeeshan> those steppers dont sound happy
[19:29:09] <xxcoder_> at max accel/velocity hows it sound
[19:29:24] <zeeshan> to me it sounds like youre ocassionally skipping steps
[19:29:43] <xxcoder_> steps / rev 400, 8 microstep
[19:30:11] <xxcoder_> tb6560 doc says it has 1, 2, 8, or 16 microstep, its set to 8 currently on board
[19:30:31] <xxcoder_> maybe its actually 1, 2, 4, 8
[19:30:38] <xxcoder_> lemme change a sec
[19:30:38] <zeeshan> can you do a longer travel
[19:30:42] <xxcoder_> sure
[19:30:43] <zeeshan> like double what you have
[19:31:52] <zeeshan> it sounds like its skipping steps at accel
[19:31:53] <zeeshan> and decel
[19:32:06] <xxcoder_> accel currently 50
[19:32:09] <xxcoder_> too high?
[19:32:09] <zeeshan> try less
[19:32:10] <zeeshan> like 10
[19:32:12] <xxcoder_> ok
[19:32:43] <zeeshan> lol
[19:32:43] <zeeshan> nm
[19:32:46] <zeeshan> maybe thats how it sounds like
[19:32:52] <zeeshan> cause hasnt really changed
[19:33:11] <zeeshan> ill be back, need to get groceries
[19:33:25] <xxcoder_> its drafting unless its ruler sliding
[19:39:50] <Duc> Not sure its a blessing you cant hear high pitch sounds
[19:43:12] <xxcoder_> Duc: it is pro and con
[19:43:21] <xxcoder_> I cant hear bad shit but I cant hear good shit too
[19:43:37] <xxcoder_> I cant smell flowers but I cant smell skunk too
[19:43:48] <Duc> true. Do you have a sound mic setup to see the sounds the machines are making
[19:43:56] <xxcoder_> though smell lack of ability affects me much more than hearing
[19:44:13] <xxcoder_> I want to set that but not final place for machine yet so no
[19:44:54] <xxcoder_> zeeshan: I was modifing wrong thing
[19:44:58] <Duc> I would be curious if you could tell when a end mill is rubbing
[19:45:02] <xxcoder_> it looks smooth now
[19:45:16] <xxcoder_> Duc: its rulling all time, its 27000 rpm lol
[19:45:28] <xxcoder_> brb
[19:45:50] <Duc> ok
[19:49:12] <xxcoder_> okay
[19:49:24] <xxcoder_> you watching livestream? heh
[19:53:19] <Duc> nah whats the link
[19:54:35] <xxcoder_> hold on a sec
[19:56:11] <xxcoder_> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder Duc
[19:56:19] <xxcoder_> Z test sound so rough
[19:56:25] <xxcoder_> *feel
[19:57:09] <Duc> no sound
[19:57:22] <xxcoder_> doh restarted it reset to nvadada
[19:57:57] <Duc> yea does sound rough. to high of acceleration maybe
[19:58:06] <xxcoder_> changing
[19:58:47] <Duc> does the mechanism feel gritty to you?
[19:59:41] <xxcoder_> not too sure but nah
[19:59:47] <xxcoder_> can manually smoothly turn it
[20:00:48] <Duc> I need to switch to a differnt speaker one sec
[20:02:48] <Duc> The speakers are blown on my laptop so trying blue tooth
[20:03:08] <xxcoder_> hopefully not from my loud machine LOL
[20:03:43] <Duc> nah shitty dell speakers
[20:03:46] <Duc> ok try again
[20:04:06] <xxcoder_> on x axis
[20:04:53] <xxcoder_> definitely dont feel smooth
[20:05:04] <Duc> no sound
[20:05:48] <xxcoder_> checked config still fine
[20:05:52] <Duc> odd
[20:06:31] <xxcoder_> it just jammed
[20:07:50] <Duc> the machine?
[20:08:18] <xxcoder_> yeah speed was too high
[20:08:22] <xxcoder_> set speed max to 50 mm/s
[20:08:32] <xxcoder_> was 0100
[20:08:58] <Duc> ah
[20:09:30] <xxcoder_> odd
[20:09:56] <xxcoder_> Z jammed at 50 m/s and accel 50 mm/s trying lower accel
[20:10:35] <xxcoder_> hey BeachBumPete
[20:11:00] <xxcoder_> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder if wanna see, trying to tuneupsteppers but having but hard time
[20:11:19] <Duc> what size steppers and machine is this
[20:11:41] <xxcoder_> cnc router 2040 something
[20:11:49] <xxcoder_> steppers are small nema23 steppers
[20:12:53] <BeachBumPete> Hey folks
[20:14:10] <xxcoder_> high pitch vibrations barely can be felt when changing directions
[20:14:21] <xxcoder_> besides that pretty silent
[20:14:27] <xxcoder_> 50 max speed, 25 accel
[20:15:12] <xxcoder_> jammed
[20:15:33] <mistik1> hey guys
[20:15:33] <xxcoder_> 8 microstep may be too much
[20:15:39] <xxcoder_> hey
[20:16:55] <mistik1> I've built me a cnc machine but i'm having some trouble building a computer that has low enough latency...
[20:18:03] <xxcoder_> whats your current katency
[20:18:08] <mistik1> Can someone give me some hardware specs of something know to get less than 100000 in latency score
[20:18:19] <mistik1> one machine was 78000
[20:18:30] <mistik1> the new one is saying 271000
[20:18:55] <xxcoder_> laptop?
[20:19:04] <mistik1> no
[20:19:12] <xxcoder_> because even new laptop cant get low latency
[20:19:14] <xxcoder_> ok
[20:19:14] <mistik1> first is a dell with a HT processor
[20:19:24] <mistik1> the second is and old core2duo
[20:19:41] <mistik1> 2gb ram both
[20:19:47] <xxcoder_> my 9 year old pc worked just fine, little bit inder great latency (awesome latency I guess)
[20:20:05] <xxcoder_> granted it was very high end 9 years ago
[20:20:11] <Duc> hardware stepping or software?
[20:20:15] <gregcnc> I had to try various thing to get my core2duo to run well
[20:20:38] <mistik1> duc: I am not certain how to deturmine that
[20:20:54] * mistik1 no expert, first build
[20:21:10] <Duc> are you using a mesa card?
[20:21:11] <xxcoder_> gonna go later
[20:21:26] <mistik1> Duc: no
[20:22:36] <gregcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RealTime
[20:23:57] <gregcnc> i also used the stuff here https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pc-s-success
[20:24:19] <mistik1> gregcnc: Tried that one too
[20:24:23] <mistik1> did not work for me
[20:24:47] <gregcnc> it runs fairly well now Hp Elite 8000, but i'm not sure what specifically worked
[20:25:06] <mistik1> know the feeling :)
[20:25:21] <gregcnc> onboard graphics was better than a card
[20:25:47] <gregcnc> you've turned off all power saving in the bios?
[20:25:53] <mistik1> yep
[20:26:19] <mistik1> I also have an ATI graphics card here so I tried with on and off board
[20:26:52] <gregcnc> i understand some bios won't actually allow you to turn off everything. hp8000 elite doesn't actually have a way to turn off thermal managment
[20:27:17] <gregcnc> if it senses temp rising it will get a huge spike in latenecy
[20:27:31] <gregcnc> but this would only happen if fans failed
[20:28:01] <mistik1> the board the the core2 does not give the TM option either
[20:28:17] <mistik1> hmm
[20:28:24] <mistik1> interesting
[20:29:12] <mistik1> I did notice that it started at about 10000 for a while then bang 270 odd thousand
[20:29:32] <gregcnc> right
[20:29:35] <mistik1> does not creap up it jumps at once
[20:29:56] <gregcnc> mine will now be 4000 and spike at 10-12k
[20:30:08] <mistik1> let me see if it will let me turn that off
[20:30:12] <mistik1> bbrb
[21:41:25] <mistik1> I think i've tried just about every kernel commandline option but I still have those spikes
[22:07:01] <mistik1> gregcnc: smictrl to the rescue man!
[22:07:58] <mistik1> gregcnc: latency holding steady at 7600 or so
[22:24:10] <zeeshan> gregcnc: alive?
[22:24:11] <zeeshan> :D
[22:26:43] <zeeshan> i think i finally figured out a simpler way to hold these parts
[22:26:52] <zeeshan> exploiting the geometry of the work piece
[22:28:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tNVXLu3.png
[22:38:25] <renesis> heh neat
[22:39:33] <renesis> should make it swivel! so you can do the button cavity same fixture
[22:40:16] <zeeshan> that is what im trying to do right now
[22:40:22] <zeeshan> trying to do the angle pocket
[22:40:57] <zeeshan> so far all the ideas are complex :P
[22:41:00] <zeeshan> i need to make 18 of these fixtures
[22:41:05] <zeeshan> so tryiung to make it as simple as possible
[22:41:10] <zeeshan> because i can only charge a certain amount
[22:45:39] <Tom_itx> can't reuse your previous fixtures?
[22:45:58] <zeeshan> i could
[22:46:08] <zeeshan> hes told me 150 pieces so far
[22:46:10] <zeeshan> it might go to 500
[22:46:16] <zeeshan> so i need to make at least 20 per run
[22:46:24] <Tom_itx> how many did you make before?
[22:46:32] <Tom_itx> is this one a cheaper model?
[22:46:34] <zeeshan> i dont remember the exact number
[22:46:37] <zeeshan> 120-130
[22:46:51] <zeeshan> no
[22:47:02] <zeeshan> but its a model that he thinks hes going to sell a lot of
[22:47:06] <zeeshan> because of the feedback he's recieved
[22:47:18] <zeeshan> we might change it
[22:47:24] <zeeshan> but the fixture will not change anymore
[22:47:54] <Tom_itx> learned from the first one or a different design anyway?
[22:48:12] <zeeshan> learned from the first one
[22:48:55] <Tom_itx> are those fires anywhere near you?
[22:48:55] <zeeshan> i didnt think in a million years
[22:48:59] <zeeshan> i'd be making vapes
[22:49:02] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:49:10] <zeeshan> but its crazy how much fun it is
[22:49:13] <zeeshan> because it is challenging
[22:49:33] <zeeshan> haha Tom_itx
[22:49:42] <zeeshan> we actually did a burn test on his last vape
[22:49:59] <zeeshan> we shorted the firing button wires
[22:50:04] <zeeshan> the chip goes in protection mode after a certain time period
[22:50:30] <zeeshan> the only way we could figure to set it on fire is shorting the battery tube
[22:50:42] <zeeshan> and blowing up one of those fancy batteries
[22:50:54] <renesis> theyre pretty safe chemistries
[22:51:09] <zeeshan> ren
[22:51:10] <renesis> the unprotected ones
[22:51:13] <zeeshan> do you like the new design
[22:51:14] <zeeshan> vs the old one
[22:51:16] <zeeshan> you vape :)
[22:51:22] <renesis> yes the old one looks like a turd
[22:51:23] <zeeshan> remember its made out of exotic wood
[22:51:26] <renesis> the new one looks designed
[22:51:47] <renesis> and i dont use a regulated vape, i dont spend that much on hardware
[22:51:53] <zeeshan> this time we didnt start on a clay model
[22:51:57] <zeeshan> solely
[22:52:18] <zeeshan> yea im pretty sure this is bought by the "Ricers" of the vape world
[22:52:29] <zeeshan> ppl who want to have something very unique, not mass produced
[22:52:34] <zeeshan> and don't want to mod on their own
[22:52:59] <zeeshan> i think sometimes we give the general public too much benefit of the doubt
[22:53:07] <zeeshan> im trying to buy a bbq, and reading reviews
[22:53:21] <zeeshan> people are whining about how they paid someone to put it together
[22:53:22] <zeeshan> LOL
[22:53:28] <zeeshan> its a bbq~!
[22:53:50] <Tom_itx> i just got a new one
[22:54:01] <zeeshan> im looking at the coleman evenheat
[22:54:04] <zeeshan> ss burners
[22:54:10] <zeeshan> thats the main thing that went on my el cheapo
[22:54:15] <zeeshan> the burners vaporized.
[22:54:19] <renesis> close to breaking down and getting a mini weber ball
[22:54:29] <renesis> frat kids prob steal it or crush it
[22:54:30] <zeeshan> i want to spend at most 350 cad
[22:54:31] <Tom_itx> i had one of those for camping
[22:54:33] <zeeshan> which is like 270 usd?
[22:54:56] <Tom_itx> this one is dual gas/ charcoal
[22:55:01] <zeeshan> http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/coleman-even-heat-small-spaces-propane-bbq-0853066p.html#.Vy_4fIQrI-U
[22:55:01] <Tom_itx> side by side
[22:55:11] <Tom_itx> with a smoker on the side if you want it
[22:55:14] <zeeshan> says "19 burgers
[22:55:14] <zeeshan> "
[22:55:15] <zeeshan> lol
[22:55:30] <zeeshan> ah
[22:57:02] <zeeshan> what do you think of that grill?
[22:57:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.atgstores.com/charcoal-grills/char-griller-5050-duo-trade-charcoal-and-gas-grill_7466341.html?gclid=CKXU34mHzMwCFZKCaQodiDUM4g&af=2615&ef_id=VzAEigAABZRCOzTG:20160509033122:s
[22:57:53] <Tom_itx> didn't pay that for it
[22:57:53] <zeeshan> fancy :D
[22:58:11] <Tom_itx> get one with half that
[22:58:15] <Tom_itx> those are pretty nice
[22:58:22] <Tom_itx> just the gas half
[22:58:25] <zeeshan> that side burner is a nice touch
[22:58:50] <Tom_itx> you can add a smoker on the right end
[22:59:57] <Tom_itx> had a SS one for quite a while til it rusted the burners etc
[23:01:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.lowes.com/pd_296447-49769-3001_1z0wel4__?productId=3031229&pl=1&Ntt=char+griller
[23:01:06] <Tom_itx> that's what you need
[23:01:18] <Tom_itx> half with the burners
[23:02:31] <Tom_itx> ceramic grates
[23:02:36] <Tom_itx> instead of just metal
[23:03:23] <zeeshan> i like cast iron grates
[23:03:34] <Tom_itx> these are heavy but coated
[23:03:40] <Tom_itx> clean up easy
[23:04:11] <Tom_itx> worth a look anyway
[23:04:57] <Tom_itx> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5050_1z0wel4__?productId=1245537&pl=1&Ntt=char+griller
[23:05:18] <zeeshan> will look
[23:05:20] <zeeshan> how much is it anyway
[23:05:20] <Tom_itx> there's your 270 price
[23:05:29] <zeeshan> nice
[23:05:30] <Tom_itx> the dual is 269 at lowes
[23:05:38] <Tom_itx> single was 169 iirc
[23:06:01] <Tom_itx> we haven't used the charcoal side yet
[23:06:09] <zeeshan> what do you usually cook
[23:06:12] <zeeshan> steaks and burgers?
[23:06:23] <Tom_itx> steak, burgers, brots, chicken etc
[23:06:25] <zeeshan> we like to cook chicken
[23:06:28] <zeeshan> ah
[23:07:17] <Tom_itx> i was hesitant at first but like it now
[23:07:26] <Tom_itx> thought i needed SS
[23:07:57] <Tom_itx> got a cover for it
[23:08:11] <Tom_itx> you can get one made that fits the stacks
[23:08:15] <Tom_itx> just made for it
[23:08:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=361296-49769-3055&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3604160&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=rel&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
[23:11:52] <zeeshan> that is bad ass
[23:11:59] <zeeshan> thats one thing i did wrong with my bbq, no cover
[23:12:03] <zeeshan> so it rusted to crap :P
[23:12:23] <Tom_itx> ours is under the patio anyway but still somewhat exposed
[23:12:51] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio21.jpg
[23:13:10] <Tom_itx> that's changed since the pic
[23:16:59] <zeeshan> i like your patio
[23:17:06] <zeeshan> did you build it yourself?
[23:17:14] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:17:21] <zeeshan> nice man.
[23:17:22] <Tom_itx> more pics on that page
[23:17:24] <Tom_itx> thanks
[23:17:40] <zeeshan> did you get the concrete poured?
[23:17:41] <Tom_itx> all iron from the scrap yard
[23:17:42] <zeeshan> $$?
[23:17:53] <Tom_itx> yeah my neighbor did it, he does that stuff
[23:18:01] <Tom_itx> also loaned me the hole cutter
[23:18:07] <Tom_itx> made the holes real nice
[23:18:15] <Tom_itx> 12" hole saw :D
[23:18:22] <zeeshan> holy
[23:18:38] <Tom_itx> you can see the cutouts in that pic
[23:18:41] <zeeshan> did you stick that flat plate
[23:18:43] <Tom_itx> sitting by the edge
[23:18:59] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:19:04] <zeeshan> you built thing thing like a tank
[23:19:08] <Tom_itx> wire feed
[23:19:16] <Tom_itx> we get tornados
[23:19:17] <zeeshan> you can prolly put a mill on top of that roof
[23:19:18] <Tom_itx> :D
[23:19:23] <zeeshan> haha good point
[23:19:27] <zeeshan> forgot about kansas
[23:19:28] <zeeshan> :)
[23:19:40] <Tom_itx> the back edge is tied with T iron between the 2x
[23:19:53] <Tom_itx> it'll have to pull up the slab before it moves
[23:20:06] <Tom_itx> and the holes are 24" deep minimum
[23:20:10] <zeeshan> im really liking this
[23:20:24] <zeeshan> a lot of people here do wood patios
[23:20:25] <zeeshan> the floor only
[23:20:28] <zeeshan> but nothing to coverf..
[23:20:37] <Tom_itx> you could probably pull an engine under it with that I beam
[23:20:42] <zeeshan> haha
[23:20:51] <zeeshan> well technically you can work on a car there
[23:20:51] <zeeshan> haha
[23:20:53] <Tom_itx> it wasn't installed in that pic
[23:21:13] <Tom_itx> i put the neighbor's car under it in a bad storm couple years ago
[23:21:33] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio23.jpg
[23:23:45] <Tom_itx> didn't cost much really
[23:24:07] <Tom_itx> i priced having one put in and that was like 11k
[23:24:10] <Tom_itx> F that idea
[23:24:39] <zeeshan> how much did it end up costing with you doing it
[23:24:52] <Tom_itx> i don't recall now but it wasn't bad
[23:24:59] <Tom_itx> >1k for sure
[23:25:18] <Tom_itx> probably a little more than half that
[23:25:37] <xxcodermill> boo
[23:25:47] <Tom_itx> i did the work except the slab
[23:26:31] <Tom_itx> sleep time
[23:26:32] <Tom_itx> later.
[23:26:55] <xxcodermill> hmm I was wondering
[23:27:13] <xxcodermill> would settings step time and step space affect steppers
[23:28:13] <zeeshan> cya
[23:28:23] <xxcodermill> hey zeeshan
[23:28:28] <zeeshan> hi
[23:28:34] <xxcodermill> what is step time and space?
[23:28:49] <xxcodermill> probable not time ship lol
[23:29:35] <zeeshan> i dont remember exactly off the top of my head
[23:29:40] <zeeshan> but ehre is a diagram which shows you
[23:29:50] <xxcodermill> ok
[23:29:55] <zeeshan> its to do with the pulse train that gets fed from the controller to the driver
[23:30:11] <zeeshan> it expects the wave form to adhere to some standards
[23:30:23] <xxcodermill> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/23737-configuration-of-tb6560-controller-variants#23847
[23:30:32] <xxcodermill> those values is quite different
[23:30:37] <zeeshan> they will be
[23:30:40] <zeeshan> it depends on your driver youre using
[23:30:41] <zeeshan> what are you using
[23:30:47] <xxcodermill> mines 5000 5000 20000 20000
[23:30:54] <zeeshan> i mean what stepper driver
[23:31:02] <xxcodermill> that thread is for tb6560 same as mine
[23:31:31] <zeeshan> id follow what works
[23:31:37] <zeeshan> that stuff is pretty important
[23:32:20] <xxcodermill> yeah
[23:32:27] <xxcodermill> probably why I have so much trouble
[23:33:00] <zeeshan> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/17454/l297time.jpg
[23:33:05] <zeeshan> people use different terminology
[23:33:10] <zeeshan> but if youre curious, this is what it means
[23:33:16] <zeeshan> ts should be your step space
[23:33:22] <zeeshan> th should be your step time
[23:33:23] <zeeshan> i think
[23:33:49] <zeeshan> there is a better image somewhere
[23:33:52] <xxcodermill> wish my montior isnt on floor lol
[23:33:56] <xxcodermill> hard on neck]
[23:34:15] <zeeshan> haha
[23:34:24] <xxcodermill> ahh so its waveshape to control steppers
[23:35:16] <xxcodermill> I guess 75% current and 25% decay is on board itself?
[23:37:08] <xxcodermill> it was and I modified
[23:38:23] <zeeshan> i didnt have to touch that stuff on my drivers
[23:38:48] <xxcodermill> el che4apo driver thats probably why
[23:39:13] <xxcodermill> ohh it bhas recom manded ips and accel, gonna convert to mm
[23:40:05] <xxcodermill> geeez 381 mm/s^2 zeeshan
[23:40:23] <xxcodermill> hopefully good settings make it work
[23:40:24] <zeeshan> is that good or bad :P
[23:40:28] <zeeshan> yea they will
[23:40:32] <zeeshan> i thought you already had the configured!
[23:40:36] <xxcodermill> old settinbg was 100 mm/s^2
[23:40:38] <zeeshan> no wonder it sounded so rough
[23:41:46] <xxcodermill> 25.4 mm/s
[23:41:54] <xxcodermill> my old was 50 mm/s
[23:41:57] <xxcodermill> so yeah less
[23:42:37] <xxcodermill> holy shit
[23:42:56] <xxcodermill> lemme set live video a sec
[23:44:03] <xxcodermill> http://vaughnlive.tv/xxcoder (fixing audo sec
[23:44:33] <zeeshan> sounds so much better
[23:44:37] <zeeshan> SOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!
[23:44:47] <zeeshan> no more skipping steps
[23:44:54] <xxcodermill> man
[23:45:03] <xxcodermill> lemme try Y
[23:45:37] <zeeshan> sounds perfect
[23:45:50] <zeeshan> sounds like a printer
[23:45:51] <zeeshan> :)
[23:46:03] <zeeshan> before it was growling
[23:46:17] <xxcodermill> double speed?
[23:46:30] <xxcodermill> ehhh feeels bit funny
[23:46:41] <zeeshan> sounds good
[23:46:48] <zeeshan> sounds normal to me
[23:47:27] <zeeshan> do you have some play in your screws?
[23:47:35] <zeeshan> the motors sound good
[23:47:37] <xxcodermill> more lengthy smooth
[23:47:42] <xxcodermill> sec
[23:47:46] <zeeshan> but it sounds like the screws have some wobble in them
[23:48:32] <xxcodermill> couldnt move by hand, depowered
[23:48:45] <xxcodermill> maybe it was just a little bit fast
[23:48:49] <xxcodermill> lemme try 40
[23:49:52] <zeeshan> no its the same
[23:49:58] <zeeshan> your motors sound perfect
[23:50:03] <zeeshan> but its something coming from the ball screw
[23:50:04] <zeeshan> or screw
[23:50:07] <zeeshan> or the coupling
[23:50:12] <zeeshan> it might be normal
[23:50:16] <xxcodermill> possible
[23:50:18] <zeeshan> but its not normal to me :P
[23:50:30] <xxcodermill> in least it much closer to good than before
[23:50:33] <zeeshan> yes
[23:50:40] <zeeshan> you should try doing a circle test
[23:50:42] <xxcodermill> so 40 mm/s sound ok
[23:50:44] <zeeshan> make a 4" circle
[23:50:46] <zeeshan> with a marker
[23:50:47] <zeeshan> yes
[23:50:51] <zeeshan> even the faster sounded fine
[23:50:59] <xxcodermill> ok
[23:51:17] <xxcodermill> the faster the better because cutting Al with 27000 rpm wont be fun
[23:51:46] <xxcodermill> sound?
[23:51:50] <zeeshan> sounds good
[23:51:50] <zeeshan> go faster
[23:51:51] <zeeshan> :P
[23:52:18] <zeeshan> go even faster
[23:52:19] <zeeshan> sounds good
[23:52:41] <zeeshan> still fine
[23:53:10] <xxcodermill> yeah feel little biut ehh with that speed, probably ballscrews
[23:53:16] <xxcodermill> or crunchy bearings
[23:53:39] <zeeshan> crunchy bearings
[23:53:43] <zeeshan> is what it sounds like
[23:53:52] <zeeshan> like youre missing one ball from the ball screw
[23:54:03] <zeeshan> it exists at all speeds youve done so far
[23:54:11] <xxcodermill> Z test
[23:54:17] <xxcodermill> it was worse of all on feel
[23:54:52] <zeeshan> you have major bearing noise
[23:54:52] <zeeshan> on this
[23:55:09] <xxcodermill> feels hell of a lot motor-wise better
[23:55:16] <zeeshan> yes
[23:55:18] <xxcodermill> felt like it was breaking last timr
[23:55:22] <zeeshan> the motor sounds great
[23:55:41] <xxcodermill> heh video was funny
[23:55:52] <xxcodermill> okay saving config
[23:57:46] <xxcodermill> man
[23:57:52] <xxcodermill> silk smooth movement to set home
[23:58:04] <zeeshan> :)
[23:58:07] <xxcodermill> ready?
[23:58:07] <zeeshan> make something!!!!!1
[23:58:13] <xxcodermill> about to set circle run
[23:58:16] <zeeshan> okay
[23:58:39] <xxcodermill> g0g54 x0y0r10?
[23:58:53] <xxcodermill> circles I still dont realkly understand
[23:58:57] <xxcodermill> g2 g3
[23:59:07] <xxcodermill> oops change that g0 to g2
[23:59:08] <zeeshan> i only use g2 g3 in quadrant mode
[23:59:17] <zeeshan> so i have to write 4 lines of code
[23:59:24] <xxcodermill> what would be gcode to set 5 mm circle
[23:59:58] <zeeshan> thats tiny :P